Raw, unfiltered and unedited thoughts about this thing... Makes a really, really fun and cool range toy. Not sure it's anything more than that though...
Thank you for a very honest review. I had a vector for a year, and finally sold it for an LWRC SMG 45. I cannot stress enough how much more i love the LWRC. All of the original issues garand thumb pointed out on the LWRC are no more, and its such an incredible gun. Pricey, but when you have a fully ambidextrous lower, interchangeable charging handle, reciprocating barrel, you are set. I would definitely look into the SMG 45 if that is something you would be able to get your hands on. Mags are very sturdy, and it is fully ambi with a non-reciprocating charging handle. Custom AR lower on a UMP 45…. Doesnt get better than that!
One nice thing about being a lefty with a Vector is that even holding it by the front like designed, you'll never hit the bolt catch. All my right-handed friends that shoot mine fire a couple rounds, then get a "malfunction" because their thumb rests right over the catch. I make it a point to tell people to watch where their thumb is when firing now. I think part of the problem with the stock is that it's just too high. It's not in line with the barrel like most other rifles, where there's just a little more height between the stock and your sights. Even just that half inch makes a noticeable difference. I hadn't thought about getting a riser for my sight since the height over bore is already so high, but i might consider it after my next range trip. The only malfunctions i ever had were with ammunition. Had some Winchester Ranger that it just did not like. Jams, fail to feed, fail to extract, etc. Changed to literally any other brand, problem solved. Fewer problems than my Beretta 92. I've been using some ETS 30-round (45acp) mags with no problems at all. Reliable, cheap, and they look kinda cool with a fully loaded clear mag sticking out the bottom. :D One thing that wasn't mentioned is that you can swap the lower and presto chango, you have a different caliber. The only difference in the upper between your 9mm and my 45 is that the metal piece inside the ejection port is shaped differently on the 45 to allow the larger brass to eject properly.
I've been a fan of the Vector forever. I got my CRB 2 years ago and really like it. I don't have the luxury of having "range toys" so whatever it has to do is what it has to do. I planned my setup and know it well, so I don't have any problems with the controls, and I'm use to the ergonomics (right handed). I haven't used an AR in a long time so I was kind of a blank slate when I started using it. Biggest con is the weight, especially with attachments, but I just think of that as a reason to go work out more. Ignorance is bliss, I suppose. No two-piece mags here, and it has run great! I disagree with a few things here, but I really appreciate you saying different stuff than all of the other vids out there about it.
As a Lefty thinking to get one of these, I appreciate all the details and honesty about issues. I've hefted these at gun shows and I just cannot justify the weight, balance, and price. Thanks!
I say it all the time: SMGs don't make good semi-automatic weapons. They rely on their high rates of fire to really take advantage of the low recoil of a pistol cartridge, while still remaining very dangerous. A single squeeze of this gun at 12-1400 rpm is about 6-7 rounds. Imagine 7, .45 acp rounds hitting you all at once in relatively the same spot. Even if you have body armor, you're going to sustain internal injuries from the trauma alone. Now neuter the gun to semi auto and it has all of the same capabilities as a pistol, without the low cost, weight and profile. Really needs to full auto to be effective, otherwise bring a rifle that fires blackout, 308 or 5.56. Now in 10mm, this gun starts to shine again, where you can make follow up shots much more accurately and quickly due to the structure of the gun than you could a pistol. But at 9mm and 45? I just don't think it's worth it. Maybe just for the controllability but is that worth all of the other downfalls?
@@harrisonclark3799 Right right, I am thinking hyper pragmatically in this case, or maybe I'm just angry because I have a p90 that is essentially a neutered rifle now because of the NFA. Either way I just wish fully automatic wasn't such a touchy subject.
I was happy when you finally said in the video that you actually like the gun. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I finally purchased my Kriss Vector 9mm. It’s sooo much fun to shoot and the accuracy is 👌🏾 Oh and I’m a lefty shooter too. 😎
I have 7 extended mags between a 9mm and a 10mm variant, zero issues with all 7. I also leave them full all the time. maybe I got lucky. Additionally, I've said it before on multiple vector videos and I'll say it again, in the owner's manual. If the charging handle feels really tough to pull, it tells you to put your fingers as close to the body as possible when you pull the charging handle, it is a much smoother action instead of having your fingers towards the outside, almost making it feel like it's binding. Additionally, my entire action has gun grease instead of oil and it made it feel a lot better.
The weird ergonomics are much easier for right handed folks to train with and get used to. I have a braced pistol configuration in .45, the "enhanced" version, so it has the mlok rail up front, and I use an angled foregrip, which allows me to hit the mag release with the heal of my hand as I'm releasing my support grip to reach for the next mag. Once I figured out that setup and technique, my reload speed became on par with my AR reloads. I love running my vector and wouldn't hesitate to use it for defense, but I definitely wouldn't if I were a lefty.
I agree it is funky. Glad I went with the 45 though as I haven't had a single issue with feeding from the extended mag, unsuppressed. The Super V is kind of lame, it honestly feels like you could make a chassis with a 1911 hanging off the front and it would recoil about the same. Edit: I just want to add that it is delayed blowback, the delay comes from the sharp ramp down that the bolt forces the carrier into upon initially leaving battery. It's a type of roller delay. IMHO that's why they added the "Brass check function" Just pulling on the handle would have been way too hard so there is mechanical advantage built into the lever and camming action.
The follower catches at the bottom of the Glock OEM mag and the top of the Kriss mag. If you sand paper down the front of the follower to be more round and less sharp it will not catch. I know this shouldn't be necessary but my Kriss mags worked flawlessly after I did this. Go the idea from a forum.
I never had problems with the EX2 Kriss mags in my Glocks or my Kriss in multiple calibers. I've dropped mine before several times and they never came apart.
Picked up a Vector .45 barely used for $800. I like it. I like unusual guns. I don't care that it is heavy. I am not carrying the vector into a warzone. If you like it, buy it and have fun. If you find one used, even better...
I know this is an old video and you may never see this. But, if you remove the top picatinny rail, you will see 3 screws that hold in the trigger group. remove the middle one. measure it and get a longer one. not sure how much longer you need, but you can file it down to suit your personal feel. this will remove the "slack" in the trigger and make it more crisp. When tightening it down you will see the trigger move back. before doing this figure out how much slack is in it and where it becomes tight, that is where you want to adjust it to. the only thing you want to be sure of is that you get the same head screw so it will clear the rail when remounted.
@@Darksmoke_83 it's an airsoft part. Laylax extended magazine release. Some people said they were able to use it as is, but I had to print the catch itself. Didn't want the aluminum wearing out the magazine.
They didn't get rid of it, they have models that come with the old folding stock and models with the buffer tube. You can buy the original folder on its own too if you want to swap it out
@@colis5825 actually wouldn't recommend a Vector unless you've already got other PCC's and just looking for a fun range toy to add to the collection. If you haven't already gotten a KP-9, MP5 clone/variant, or CZ Scorpion, start there first. Got those already? Consider a B&T GHM instead.
I would much rather have the original Gen 1 stock. I can't stand the M4 stock on a Vector. I wish there was a replacement to put something similar to the Gen 1 stock on it.
writing this comment as I watch the video and this shts funny af first off "two stage trigger" hahahaha tell me you don't know sht without telling me you don't know sht that's not a 2 stage trigger its just free play in the trigger or pre travel if you wanna call it that second off he says the ergonomics are garbage then points at the locations of the controls for the weapon ergo is an opinion but just because the manual of arms is different then an AK M16 or shotgun doesn't mean its bad you cant use a bull pup and say the ergos bad because its not like an AR15 thats just stupid also being a lefty myself yea ambi is super nice but when youre developing a gun for the MASSES well sorry but leftys aren't the masses so its a side note to them I gotta deal with it and so does every other lefty too and also i actually think its easy to use lefty because i can choke up on the gun unlike a righty and not worry about bumping the mag release or bolt catch and i can operate the mag release with my pointer finger and recharge the weapon AK style reaching under the barrel to rack it back with my right hand next he says it was sooooooo stupid for vector to serialize the lower half then never explains why his next sentence is the lower half is heavy and the top half is hollow plastic why is it stupid to serialize the lower ARs are that way? next complaint he talks about is the manual of arms its not like typical western firearms so its automatically bad not much to say here but ok........ edit minute 21:45 he says its baffling they serialized the lower and not the upper still doesn't elaborate that's pretty much it a lot of opinions which is fine but most of it is goofy besides the mag related stuff i agree on STAY WITH FACTORY GLOCK MAGS
This crybaby starts off with let me start off with the bad. Then spends the entire time bashing the gun. Really you should “start off” with some therapist.
I thought I was the only person thinking the same thing. Also, most sensible people research something they’re considering spending about 1.5k on. Ever heard of a test drive?
TLDR: goofy ahh gun but I like it. Picasso.
Thank you for a very honest review. I had a vector for a year, and finally sold it for an LWRC SMG 45. I cannot stress enough how much more i love the LWRC. All of the original issues garand thumb pointed out on the LWRC are no more, and its such an incredible gun. Pricey, but when you have a fully ambidextrous lower, interchangeable charging handle, reciprocating barrel, you are set. I would definitely look into the SMG 45 if that is something you would be able to get your hands on. Mags are very sturdy, and it is fully ambi with a non-reciprocating charging handle. Custom AR lower on a UMP 45…. Doesnt get better than that!
One nice thing about being a lefty with a Vector is that even holding it by the front like designed, you'll never hit the bolt catch. All my right-handed friends that shoot mine fire a couple rounds, then get a "malfunction" because their thumb rests right over the catch. I make it a point to tell people to watch where their thumb is when firing now.
I think part of the problem with the stock is that it's just too high. It's not in line with the barrel like most other rifles, where there's just a little more height between the stock and your sights. Even just that half inch makes a noticeable difference. I hadn't thought about getting a riser for my sight since the height over bore is already so high, but i might consider it after my next range trip.
The only malfunctions i ever had were with ammunition. Had some Winchester Ranger that it just did not like. Jams, fail to feed, fail to extract, etc. Changed to literally any other brand, problem solved. Fewer problems than my Beretta 92.
I've been using some ETS 30-round (45acp) mags with no problems at all. Reliable, cheap, and they look kinda cool with a fully loaded clear mag sticking out the bottom. :D
One thing that wasn't mentioned is that you can swap the lower and presto chango, you have a different caliber. The only difference in the upper between your 9mm and my 45 is that the metal piece inside the ejection port is shaped differently on the 45 to allow the larger brass to eject properly.
I've been a fan of the Vector forever. I got my CRB 2 years ago and really like it. I don't have the luxury of having "range toys" so whatever it has to do is what it has to do. I planned my setup and know it well, so I don't have any problems with the controls, and I'm use to the ergonomics (right handed). I haven't used an AR in a long time so I was kind of a blank slate when I started using it. Biggest con is the weight, especially with attachments, but I just think of that as a reason to go work out more. Ignorance is bliss, I suppose. No two-piece mags here, and it has run great! I disagree with a few things here, but I really appreciate you saying different stuff than all of the other vids out there about it.
As a Lefty thinking to get one of these, I appreciate all the details and honesty about issues. I've hefted these at gun shows and I just cannot justify the weight, balance, and price. Thanks!
I say it all the time: SMGs don't make good semi-automatic weapons. They rely on their high rates of fire to really take advantage of the low recoil of a pistol cartridge, while still remaining very dangerous. A single squeeze of this gun at 12-1400 rpm is about 6-7 rounds. Imagine 7, .45 acp rounds hitting you all at once in relatively the same spot. Even if you have body armor, you're going to sustain internal injuries from the trauma alone. Now neuter the gun to semi auto and it has all of the same capabilities as a pistol, without the low cost, weight and profile. Really needs to full auto to be effective, otherwise bring a rifle that fires blackout, 308 or 5.56. Now in 10mm, this gun starts to shine again, where you can make follow up shots much more accurately and quickly due to the structure of the gun than you could a pistol. But at 9mm and 45? I just don't think it's worth it. Maybe just for the controllability but is that worth all of the other downfalls?
Assuming you’re fighting a war I agree. But consider that some people aren’t buying it to go off to battle they just think it’s cool.
On paper what you say makes sense, but in a shtf scenario, we are all probs gonna die so it doesn’t matter, use what you got
@@harrisonclark3799 Right right, I am thinking hyper pragmatically in this case, or maybe I'm just angry because I have a p90 that is essentially a neutered rifle now because of the NFA. Either way I just wish fully automatic wasn't such a touchy subject.
@@immts6475 Don't think like that brother, you gotta survive!
@@Shademastermcc true, and I will try my best, but I am probs going to use a gun I like that looks cool over the objectively best on paper lmao.
I was happy when you finally said in the video that you actually like the gun. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I finally purchased my Kriss Vector 9mm. It’s sooo much fun to shoot and the accuracy is 👌🏾 Oh and I’m a lefty shooter too. 😎
I have 7 extended mags between a 9mm and a 10mm variant, zero issues with all 7. I also leave them full all the time. maybe I got lucky.
Additionally, I've said it before on multiple vector videos and I'll say it again, in the owner's manual. If the charging handle feels really tough to pull, it tells you to put your fingers as close to the body as possible when you pull the charging handle, it is a much smoother action instead of having your fingers towards the outside, almost making it feel like it's binding. Additionally, my entire action has gun grease instead of oil and it made it feel a lot better.
great review...and your style cracks me up!
The weird ergonomics are much easier for right handed folks to train with and get used to. I have a braced pistol configuration in .45, the "enhanced" version, so it has the mlok rail up front, and I use an angled foregrip, which allows me to hit the mag release with the heal of my hand as I'm releasing my support grip to reach for the next mag. Once I figured out that setup and technique, my reload speed became on par with my AR reloads. I love running my vector and wouldn't hesitate to use it for defense, but I definitely wouldn't if I were a lefty.
Thanks for your honesty 👍🏾
I agree it is funky. Glad I went with the 45 though as I haven't had a single issue with feeding from the extended mag, unsuppressed. The Super V is kind of lame, it honestly feels like you could make a chassis with a 1911 hanging off the front and it would recoil about the same.
Edit: I just want to add that it is delayed blowback, the delay comes from the sharp ramp down that the bolt forces the carrier into upon initially leaving battery. It's a type of roller delay. IMHO that's why they added the "Brass check function" Just pulling on the handle would have been way too hard so there is mechanical advantage built into the lever and camming action.
Why would you use mag extensions when Glock sells a 33 round magazine that works absolutely perfect?
+1 and also Korean made 33 round glock mags are only $10 online and they are pretty damn good for range mags.
What color is the spring in the extended mag?
Yellow 9mm
Blue 45acp
Green 10mm
This matters and you can look it up if I got the colors wrong.
The follower catches at the bottom of the Glock OEM mag and the top of the Kriss mag. If you sand paper down the front of the follower to be more round and less sharp it will not catch. I know this shouldn't be necessary but my Kriss mags worked flawlessly after I did this. Go the idea from a forum.
Definitely going with flat dark earth when I get mine. thank you for the extensive review, I like to know/see what I would if I had it right here.
My tax stamp got approved today. Do I need to submit another to put a vertical foregrip on it ?
I never had problems with the EX2 Kriss mags in my Glocks or my Kriss in multiple calibers. I've dropped mine before several times and they never came apart.
Picked up a Vector .45 barely used for $800. I like it. I like unusual guns. I don't care that it is heavy. I am not carrying the vector into a warzone.
If you like it, buy it and have fun. If you find one used, even better...
I know this is an old video and you may never see this. But, if you remove the top picatinny rail, you will see 3 screws that hold in the trigger group. remove the middle one. measure it and get a longer one. not sure how much longer you need, but you can file it down to suit your personal feel. this will remove the "slack" in the trigger and make it more crisp. When tightening it down you will see the trigger move back. before doing this figure out how much slack is in it and where it becomes tight, that is where you want to adjust it to. the only thing you want to be sure of is that you get the same head screw so it will clear the rail when remounted.
Yep, did this to my .45, no slack now.
Just held one today... I LIKE
He is spot on
I just got one a few days ago and still haven't shot it yet. I'm waiting for the parts to come in. Does the charging get softer after breaking in?
Not really lol...maybe slightly.
@@keenshot3482 :C
I wish they came out with an aftermarket charging handle already. every time I charge mine it feels like the handle is going to pop off
Great honest review...I will pass on the Kriss Vector...
I have only had problems with the factor glock mag. My extended mag has always worked fine.
I tuned my trigger and added a right side mag release. Ez upgrades.
What ambi release did you end up installing? I’m looking for one.
@@Darksmoke_83 it's an airsoft part. Laylax extended magazine release. Some people said they were able to use it as is, but I had to print the catch itself. Didn't want the aluminum wearing out the magazine.
Do you have an insta? I want to 3D print parts for this. I can make you a left hand msg release.
How long did you have to wait for your tax stamp?
Why the hell did they get rid of the folding stock? That sucks.
They didn't get rid of it, they have models that come with the old folding stock and models with the buffer tube. You can buy the original folder on its own too if you want to swap it out
have you had jams while using regular Glock magazines?
Nope, zero issues with oem 17 round glock mags.
Also had good luck with a 33 round SGM mag so far too.
@@keenshot3482 Thanks for the reply, I am planning to buy Kriss in sbr enhanced version and trying to learn as much as possible about its problems
@@colis5825 actually wouldn't recommend a Vector unless you've already got other PCC's and just looking for a fun range toy to add to the collection.
If you haven't already gotten a KP-9, MP5 clone/variant, or CZ Scorpion, start there first. Got those already? Consider a B&T GHM instead.
@@keenshot3482 I have looked at both the kp-9 and scorpion, but neither of them suited me and I don't want any AR to 9mm conversion
I use Glock 24 round mags. No issues ever.
I mean I just don't see the point if it isn't shot full auto or burst.
I would much rather have the original Gen 1 stock. I can't stand the M4 stock on a Vector. I wish there was a replacement to put something similar to the Gen 1 stock on it.
You can it’s just two pieces off there website just to luk
writing this comment as I watch the video and this shts funny af first off "two stage trigger" hahahaha tell me you don't know sht without telling me you don't know sht that's not a 2 stage trigger its just free play in the trigger or pre travel if you wanna call it that second off he says the ergonomics are garbage then points at the locations of the controls for the weapon ergo is an opinion but just because the manual of arms is different then an AK M16 or shotgun doesn't mean its bad you cant use a bull pup and say the ergos bad because its not like an AR15 thats just stupid also being a lefty myself yea ambi is super nice but when youre developing a gun for the MASSES well sorry but leftys aren't the masses so its a side note to them I gotta deal with it and so does every other lefty too and also i actually think its easy to use lefty because i can choke up on the gun unlike a righty and not worry about bumping the mag release or bolt catch and i can operate the mag release with my pointer finger and recharge the weapon AK style reaching under the barrel to rack it back with my right hand next he says it was sooooooo stupid for vector to serialize the lower half then never explains why his next sentence is the lower half is heavy and the top half is hollow plastic why is it stupid to serialize the lower ARs are that way? next complaint he talks about is the manual of arms its not like typical western firearms so its automatically bad not much to say here but ok........ edit minute 21:45 he says its baffling they serialized the lower and not the upper still doesn't elaborate that's pretty much it a lot of opinions which is fine but most of it is goofy besides the mag related stuff i agree on STAY WITH FACTORY GLOCK MAGS
This crybaby starts off with let me start off with the bad. Then spends the entire time bashing the gun. Really you should “start off” with some therapist.
I thought I was the only person thinking the same thing. Also, most sensible people research something they’re considering spending about 1.5k on. Ever heard of a test drive?
If it just had the ergonomics of the if would be great, blahblahblah go buy an AR
I own two, a pistol version and a rifle version. They are way over priced and nothing special.