Antlers - Angry Movie Review

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    AngryJoe, OtherJoe & Alex review the highly anticipated and long delayed Horror Film, Antlers by Fox Searchlight Studios. Was it worth the wait and does it live up to the holiday season? Find out!
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  • @henryyoho1742
    @henryyoho1742 Pƙed 2 lety +211

    The best part of this movie was how accurately it depicts Oregon. Like the town in this movie is basically 90% of western Oregon.

    • @roy9161
      @roy9161 Pƙed 2 lety +13

      Actually it was filmed in Canada, British Columbia Canada

    • @Manic_Drone_Idiom
      @Manic_Drone_Idiom Pƙed 2 lety +11

      Not once did I see so much as a sliver of sunshine or a patch of blue sky during the entire runtime of this film...Is it any wonder that the suicide rate in the Pacific NW is the highest in the country?

    • @mr.puddles5246
      @mr.puddles5246 Pƙed 2 lety +5

      @@Manic_Drone_Idiom I'd eat people too if I never saw the sun.

    • @XBeastModeXEPIC
      @XBeastModeXEPIC Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@Manic_Drone_Idiom :( yeah it be like that

    • @anth2oxgaming76
      @anth2oxgaming76 Pƙed 2 lety +3

      Canon Mired Idiom The PNW does not have the highest suicide rate in the country. The Rocky Mountain region does.

  • @toddkennedy8625
    @toddkennedy8625 Pƙed 2 lety +198

    Just saying Alex's eyebrow lift might rival the Rocks!

    • @B-Dad
      @B-Dad Pƙed 2 lety +16

      Alex is a gem. I don’t always agree but him being here is the right thing

    • @concernedcitizen.1096
      @concernedcitizen.1096 Pƙed 2 lety +10

      He is perhaps the most patient man I've ever seen.

    • @ibrahimrobinson8508
      @ibrahimrobinson8508 Pƙed 2 lety +8

      If Alex is bored most likely I'll be bored. I hate to admit it but that Son of a bitch is my spirit animal.

    • @alexanderthegreat4358
      @alexanderthegreat4358 Pƙed 2 lety +2

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAA

    • @alexanderthegreat4358
      @alexanderthegreat4358 Pƙed 2 lety +7

      I wanna see him body slam AJ

  • @MintyCow101
    @MintyCow101 Pƙed 2 lety +93

    the native explained the wendigo would be weakest when its feeding, which it was, and thats how she was able to stand against it. Its stronger when its starving and thats how it could attack all those other people,’m it was hungry. i came to see a Wendigo movie and i got one and it was fucking AWESOOMEE

    • @matthewbryan4386
      @matthewbryan4386 Pƙed 2 lety +10

      But they didn’t do a good job of explaining the rules of the Wendigo - why did the satchels keep him in the attic? Did the satchels keep it in the mines originally? Does seeing the Wendigo cause infection or getting scratched by it? The vague details of it really hindered the effectiveness of the creature. Plus her story did not tie in well enough with Lucas’ struggle

    • @matthewbryan4386
      @matthewbryan4386 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      And back to the point of it needing to be satiated to be weak - it ate the first officer that showed up so wouldn’t that make it weaker? Wouldn’t that have allowed Jesse Plemmons to shoot it? Once again it comes down to poor world building - and yes, I agree the build up was to a massive let down.

    • @npcimknot958
      @npcimknot958 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@ANationsHero agree. the concept was cool then it kinda went downhill.. even tho the character looked cool.

    • @Wortwort-Spooderbat
      @Wortwort-Spooderbat Pƙed 2 lety +1

      Meh not enough wendigo action. Also I wanted to see the face without the dad's face at least one time even if it was dead . wanna see how its eyes are

  • @s1td0wn_fool21
    @s1td0wn_fool21 Pƙed 2 lety +351

    Watching Alex writhe in his seat when Joe starts saying some stuff that he doesn't agree with; is the main reason I watch this show.

    • @FlyfishermanMike
      @FlyfishermanMike Pƙed 2 lety +20

      Same! Like @ 3:03

    • @leonardwall8290
      @leonardwall8290 Pƙed 2 lety +42

      When Joe says "You thought the ending was stupid, or you understood it, like me," I thought Alex was gonna throw him lmaoo

    • @B-Dad
      @B-Dad Pƙed 2 lety +2

      @@leonardwall8290
      That’s some only fans content there. 😂

    • @Sir0fficerNasty
      @Sir0fficerNasty Pƙed 2 lety +8

      @@leonardwall8290 "You have to have a higher than average IQ to understand this ending. 9/10"

    • @durrell1981
      @durrell1981 Pƙed 2 lety +2

      Same! đŸ€Ł

  • @kozmnavt5158
    @kozmnavt5158 Pƙed 2 lety +132

    Tha ending fight was probably the weakest part of the movie. The entire time this monster is being built up as this menacing and dangerous creature and then this giant monster puts up basically no fight against this human who just pokes him with a stick a few times. It literally just swipes at her like it’s a cat swatting a fly.

    • @OligatorV
      @OligatorV Pƙed 2 lety +16

      this was 100% what i was telling people who asked me how this movie was xD the ending fight is cringe and destroyed all the feeling of threat, which they built up pretty well.

    • @pkshowsupnoobsallday
      @pkshowsupnoobsallday Pƙed 2 lety +14

      Dude.. ..... it was so bad.... like beyond retarded. I'm shocked del Toro allowed his name to be attached to that. Fucking joke. It's like they just wanted to end the movie so badly with just a shitty rough draft a 4th grader made. It was beyond poorly written.

    • @cram2979
      @cram2979 Pƙed 2 lety +3

      That's not the point of a Wendigo

    • @Zeroknight34
      @Zeroknight34 Pƙed 2 lety +5

      @@OligatorV literally she has a gun and standard trope of losing her weapon needs to find a new one and looks for the closest thing and look a giant stick .

    • @Travis32
      @Travis32 Pƙed 2 lety +28

      The native guy explains to them that the wendigo is at it’s weakest when it’s feeding, which it was, so that’s why she was able to kill it pretty easily. But I do agree that it was a pretty underwhelming ending.

  • @therealfaryad
    @therealfaryad Pƙed 2 lety +60

    One of these days in one of these episodes, Alex will finally punch Joe full force in the face.

  • @Bubba_1776
    @Bubba_1776 Pƙed 2 lety +79

    When we finally saw the wendigo it felt like we were just starting. And how they handled the creature felt underwhelming. But overall movie isn’t bad. But could have been better

    • @johnnyguillotine1673
      @johnnyguillotine1673 Pƙed 2 lety +9

      Tbf, the wendigo was on Meth.

    • @alekpo2000
      @alekpo2000 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      maybe they ran out of money, expensive creatures are expensive to make lol thats the seal of a cheap movie

    • @Bubba_1776
      @Bubba_1776 Pƙed 2 lety +10

      @@alekpo2000 the director has a history of making awesome movies with awesome monster designs. I don’t think that’s the case. But just writing.

    • @JamesT094
      @JamesT094 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      Didn’t look like no representation of a wendigo I’ve ever seen

    • @NaruneWatercrest
      @NaruneWatercrest Pƙed 2 lety +1

      Should have been a bit longer.

  • @thegreatpoo2electricboogal318
    @thegreatpoo2electricboogal318 Pƙed 2 lety +78

    I love how they did the monster in this movie. The story was ok but I wish it was a little different. Maybe just another expendable character or two could have made it a little more eventful. I wanted to see the creature in action more. But the ending made the wendigo look like a little bitch anyways lol

    • @3layerdipstack726
      @3layerdipstack726 Pƙed 2 lety +34

      Found it a little underwhelming when she just kinda kills it with a low effort

    • @lachancla3723
      @lachancla3723 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@3layerdipstack726 I think they went with that ending so that the story didn't end in such a bleak and dark ending like the short story. Maybe that is why it feels not cohesive and too much spectacle.

    • @3layerdipstack726
      @3layerdipstack726 Pƙed 2 lety

      @@lachancla3723 I would have loved it to end like the short story

    • @em1ownerify
      @em1ownerify Pƙed 2 lety

      Was it any good? Thinking about watching tonight

  • @Trocify225
    @Trocify225 Pƙed 2 lety +24

    “A shit sandwich with real good bread” ~Alex 2021

  • @cordelia177
    @cordelia177 Pƙed 2 lety +50

    The book this movie is based on is super creepy and a short, easy read. Highly recommend you all checking it out since it sounds like it was much better than the film. Lots of good tension and eerie atmosphere, I had chills while reading it!
    "The Quiet Boy" by Nick Antosca

    • @jakeryan2805
      @jakeryan2805 Pƙed 2 lety +7

      It was better sadly. They always screw up by adding things the movie doesnt need, like getting the token native american actor to explain the monster for like 30 seconds of screen time.

    • @cordelia177
      @cordelia177 Pƙed 2 lety

      @@jakeryan2805 seriously!! That was SO off for me, and felt more like an unnecessary, off-shoot cliche than a plot device

    • @jakeryan2805
      @jakeryan2805 Pƙed 2 lety +2

      @@cordelia177 They always do this it pisses me off. The short story has no native americans in it, and doesnt even once explain what the monster might be, and it was just fine that way!
      Movies ruin all suspense and scare when they take time to sit the protagonists down and say "This is the monster, it came from this ancient legend, oh and here is how you beat it ect" No one cares that the monster is a wendigo. You can look up the legend on your own time. The short story is much scarier cause we have no idea what the boy is dealing with, and its just him alone in his house feeding a monster in the basement.

    • @denneyalexander2115
      @denneyalexander2115 Pƙed 2 lety

      @@jakeryan2805 Agreed. I hate how modern-day horror movies are always explaining the monster/antagonist in their films. They think it somehow makes them scarier with exposition, but really it does the exact opposite - because when you take away the mystery behind something, you make it "understandable", and when something's understood, it becomes defeatable. That's why the fear of the dark is the most prominent fear out there - especially for adults, because it's not actually the darkness that frightens folks, but their inability to know what's there that strikes fear. It's why the fear of spiders and boogeymen are more common in children than adults, because once someone understands how harmless spiders are and how the monster in the closet isn't real, the fear they once had for them diminishes.
      It's basically why my most favorite horror movies are Alien (1979) and The Thing (1982) because they don't have an exposition character suddenly show up and explain what the monster is about. The characters in the movie know just as much about the monsters they're fighting as you do, and what they learn about them is done so by trial-and-error and what you are observing alongside them. It's good horror and movie-making done right.

    • @jakeryan2805
      @jakeryan2805 Pƙed 2 lety

      @@denneyalexander2115 Spot on. Here's hoping next season there are some good horror films that keep the tension without ruining it.

  • @ianswinford5570
    @ianswinford5570 Pƙed 2 lety +40

    The Wendigo is one of my favorite monsters, so I was super excited to see the movie. However, the second and third acts ruined the film for me. I love the creature design because it’s Guillermo del Toro working on it. However, while I do care for the teacher’s past since I used to be abused, I didn’t care for her role in the film and dragging her baggage throughout the film. I think there need to be more works about the Wendigo and the Skinwalkers.

    • @LindaC616
      @LindaC616 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      After the bit about the hole in the floor, I thought they'd make use of it in the final scenes, but they didn't

    • @digolaverdad7313
      @digolaverdad7313 Pƙed 2 lety

      The message is that she was in therapy and was working through her issues while her brother was a tortured soul that kept it all inside.
      Remember how he told her "you don't know what he did to me" and she dismissed him. But it turns out the brother kept a lot of darkness inside hence he was corrupted by the Wendigo in the end.

  • @bencaulfield5188
    @bencaulfield5188 Pƙed 2 lety +74

    I still think *spoiler alert* that until dawn is the best wendigo depiction so far

    • @asherthemad3704
      @asherthemad3704 Pƙed 2 lety +7

      It’s the true depiction. Wendigos in the original tales are said to be tall corpse like humanoids with no lips as they ate them, gaunt/emaciated bodies, very little to no hair.

    • @0rgyInTheMorgue
      @0rgyInTheMorgue Pƙed 2 lety +1

      I think Lucas dad in the beggining before he turned into the pop culture wendigo was a good depiction

    • @franknbeans8904
      @franknbeans8904 Pƙed 2 lety

      @@asherthemad3704 I think they also get mixed up with the Wachuge(sp?) which another Native American creature that is very closely related to the Wendigo. They share many of the same traits (propensity towards cannibalism, large size, relation to ice or winter and greedy people, etc.) But where they differ is that they have more animalistic physical traits and they seem to be a bit more farther north (like in Canada.) I don't know if they are considered to have antlers because information doesn't seem to be as widespread on them, but if they do, I could see where people mistake one for the other.

    • @franknbeans8904
      @franknbeans8904 Pƙed 2 lety

      @Jaxon Mummy That's what I've heard too. I think one depiction is the Wendigo being a 50 ft tall naked man with red eyes, sharp teeth and claws. Another is not so giant sized but they are covered in matted fur, with sharp teeth, red or yellow eyes, and claws. Someone on another site years ago said one version had antlers, but they didn't list or the tribe that had that depiction. Maybe it might have been the very closely related Wachuge(sp?) but I don't know enough about either to say 'Yeah these have the antlers.'

    • @MarioBario
      @MarioBario Pƙed 2 lety +1

      The design wasn't too good though. Antlers monster design looked great

  • @theforevermachine
    @theforevermachine Pƙed 2 lety +10

    Using the Wendigo as a representation of addiction in the family, the opioid crisis, victims either coping with & succumbing to/breaking the chain of abuse (and the possibilities of finally reaching the point of healing) was 100% on-point and I'm finally glad someone else has also experienced it this way, because it hit me super-hard on multiple levels due to these links.

    • @majicogarcia8417
      @majicogarcia8417 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      Thats part of what freaked my out so badly about this film. I saw the allegory of drug addiction in it right away and it forced me to look at my own self.

    • @theforevermachine
      @theforevermachine Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@majicogarcia8417 It’s never easy to look inward with such ferocity my friend, but I can promise you that if you are struggling, you _can_ break free of the awful downward spiral and not only live a full life in sobriety - but you’ll also eventually be able to forgive yourself and help others to find the same peace.
      There’s no drug in the world that even comes *close* to that feeling you get when you help someone else who is struggling in addiction/alcoholism.

  • @nemo1716
    @nemo1716 Pƙed 2 lety +166

    You guys have a really good vibe in this review, even with higher-than-usual disagreement, the flow of conversation was very listenable and enjoyable. I like to see you all not only giving each other time to completely voice thoughts, but taking regular turns at passing the stick and having a genuine back-and-forth. Keep up the great work, guys.

  • @lanakeni5003
    @lanakeni5003 Pƙed 2 lety +35

    To me, killing the child, that was also a victim, could be like killing her past. She killed the big monster, her abuser, but the hardest is to kill the traumatic child still in her. It makes sense to me, I suffered from abuse before. And let me tell you, your traumas look like a huge fucking monster that you have to take one on one. You just don't have the choice.
    As for the the teacher, I thought it made sense seing how she could see abuse when everybody closed their eyes on it. This is a very harsh reality that some people will see abuse and overlook it because nobody can do something. I think the abuse metaphor was very well played and was an important part. And for the Native... Wasn't it good ? I mean, Wendigo is a Natie legend, it should be told by a Native, plus it gives some exposition to these communities, not a lot, but still.
    The only big criticism I had seeing it was that showing the monster as a monster takes away from the horror of the dad during his transformation. The fact that he was human was more horrifying and more realistic because abuses are committed by humans, not by monsters. Drugs and violence and rapes are not done by monster we can just kill, it is done by humans we trust and love and this is the most scary thing.

    • @robschanaynay3500
      @robschanaynay3500 Pƙed 2 lety

      Allegory of killing the weak child following the beast dad is lame. Allegorys work well when they are secondary and complementary. Not enforced.

    • @lanakeni5003
      @lanakeni5003 Pƙed 2 lety

      @@robschanaynay3500 but maybe it was killing a future abuser and put an end to the cycle of violence, since the second kid wasn't able to escape from it.

  • @anramsay
    @anramsay Pƙed 2 lety +41

    I remember the hype for this when everybody heard Guillermo was producing it but now it's pretty much gone especially with Soho and French Dispatch coming out the same day.

    • @sharpshoota8274
      @sharpshoota8274 Pƙed 2 lety +7

      Could not disagree more. This movie was miles better than Soho.

    • @anramsay
      @anramsay Pƙed 2 lety +2

      @@sharpshoota8274 Haven't seen either yet just saying Soho and Dispatch took all the hype.

    • @sharpshoota8274
      @sharpshoota8274 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@anramsay solo was good but I personally enjoyed antlers more

    • @gooberstankable
      @gooberstankable Pƙed 2 lety

      Antlers imo was an A, Soho was a B, Soho's puppet on a string dance scene was A+++++++ XP

    • @anramsay
      @anramsay Pƙed 2 lety

      I'll check Soho and Antlers out with my best friend. Just saw French Dispatch visually it was great but narratively it was just ok.

  • @jaggedamoeba4
    @jaggedamoeba4 Pƙed 2 lety +14

    Some of the animals in Skyrim have antlers.

  • @joseantoniooc1
    @joseantoniooc1 Pƙed 2 lety +15

    Love Alex's face when AJ starts talking like he's a genius hahaha

  • @eddiecardwell
    @eddiecardwell Pƙed 2 lety +29

    Blows my mind the director of this movie who’s worked with the best actors in Hollywood and made some really great films, went to the same High School as me and I live in the middle of bumfuck nowhere. Proud of him as a fellow movie lover. I’ll check the film on streaming.

  • @Sidiez
    @Sidiez Pƙed 2 lety +88

    Joe you are one of the few people on youtube who has made it big but still keeps the vibe of the homies

  • @eddiecardwell
    @eddiecardwell Pƙed 2 lety +50

    This was y’all’s most well versed and articulate review I’ve seen on here. Good analyzing and discussions.

    • @Tony-hn8qy
      @Tony-hn8qy Pƙed 2 lety +8

      Absolutely fantastic discussion and proper analysis. Alex has the correct score and opinion (as usual). Loved this terrific discourse.

  • @jasondeeb4218
    @jasondeeb4218 Pƙed 2 lety +101

    Woah bruh the sponsors have been next level. Congratulations guys!

    • @ghostgoat5508
      @ghostgoat5508 Pƙed 2 lety +2

      The sponsor is a self funded low budget film. I hope you Are being sarcastic.

    • @cletusthiberious2006
      @cletusthiberious2006 Pƙed 2 lety +4

      You're doing something right if you get sponsored in the first place

    • @ghostgoat5508
      @ghostgoat5508 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@cletusthiberious2006 lol
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    • @jasondeeb4218
      @jasondeeb4218 Pƙed 2 lety +6

      @@cletusthiberious2006 don't acknowledge the peasant please.

    • @guaya999
      @guaya999 Pƙed 2 lety

      @@ghostgoat5508 Where is your sponsor?

  • @2flylol
    @2flylol Pƙed 2 lety +43

    I love how Angry Joe is the nicest one

  • @drfr0stii704
    @drfr0stii704 Pƙed 2 lety +15

    I do get it though. It is hard to swallow the whole “we are the monster” thing when I giant f*ck off demon thing is running around killing people.

  • @Hirens.
    @Hirens. Pƙed 2 lety +26

    I watch most of your movie reviews. I like Alex's points and observation in most of them. Please let Alex voice his opinion or criticism more!
    You guys are doing a great job!
    Keep up the good work!

  • @Melquiades_
    @Melquiades_ Pƙed 2 lety +107

    Would love to see a horror movie where Alex must accept that he in fact does not "get it."

    • @therealharshlycritical
      @therealharshlycritical Pƙed 2 lety +24

      Smart horror movies are few and far between. So he'll be fine for a while.

    • @imperialspy805
      @imperialspy805 Pƙed 2 lety +3

      That's too unrealistic wouldn't be a good horror movie

    • @sodapants3328
      @sodapants3328 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      “The truth do you see?” Alex’s eyes glow as he fearfully and frustrating responds “ no” he then gets vaporized into energy for the alien “ I wanted him to shoulder this understanding of the cosmos. Pity” lol jk

    • @nothisispatrick6528
      @nothisispatrick6528 Pƙed 2 lety +4

      You wouldn’t get it 


    • @sodapants3328
      @sodapants3328 Pƙed 2 lety

      @@nothisispatrick6528 only you get it. We’re you probed?

  • @tylersackett6302
    @tylersackett6302 Pƙed 2 lety +29

    Honestly, I feel like Alex is a bit harsh on the movie for it having a message. I saw the film a few days ago, and it wasn’t as bad as he made it out to be. Cause it was honestly handled better than Candyman, where it’s in almost every scene and it doesn’t let the story breathe

    • @The_Real_Frisbee
      @The_Real_Frisbee Pƙed 2 lety +1

      Nah I'm with Alex, but for a different reason. We get it. Drugs bad, alcohol bad, humans ruin environment bad. We fucking get it. Not every fucking movie needs to have a message. Just make a monster movie, hell just make a *good* movie.

    • @nickstigs9088
      @nickstigs9088 Pƙed 2 lety +3

      @@The_Real_Frisbee it’s really not heavy handed at all tho
.

  • @alloverdaplace2043
    @alloverdaplace2043 Pƙed 2 lety +40

    "look they don't have a respect for me as an audience member I don't have to have respect for them as a film maker" - Alex. Pure gold.

    • @Nihilnoir
      @Nihilnoir Pƙed 2 lety +9

      He is just a douchebag as If he knew anything about cinematography or script writing. He gave the first suicide squad a good rating and thinks this movie is trash, hard to take a moron like that seriously xD

    • @evilhero530
      @evilhero530 Pƙed 2 lety +7

      Yea dude Alex is full of himself. Also that "quote" is a simple concept and highly interchangeable.

  • @WallEWorld
    @WallEWorld Pƙed 2 lety +16

    Spoiler:
    The Teacher brawled with a wendigo and she F*CKING WON! I bursted out laughing when she took those hits from the wendigo like nothing. 10/10

    • @justindrumz2556
      @justindrumz2556 Pƙed 2 lety +2

      Bruh. She stabbed it a few times and it didnt even fight back. End movie. I had higher hopes... monster looked dope tho.

    • @blaken2651
      @blaken2651 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      Yeah the movie was kinda dog shit. Ending especially

  • @joeslickback
    @joeslickback Pƙed 2 lety +16

    "Fear the Deer" - Joe Zieja

  • @Gubchee736
    @Gubchee736 Pƙed 2 lety +9

    I thought it was going to be a lot like the bear from Annihilation scene. Where we see the wendigo a bit more up close hunting them in a way and stalking them.

  • @TheRadude
    @TheRadude Pƙed 2 lety +7

    15:42
    Final Verdict Score Timestamp

  • @thunderdumpling3528
    @thunderdumpling3528 Pƙed 2 lety +24

    It can feel tropy at the end. But it does make sense. She has been through a living hell with her past trauma. Combined with her motivation to protect a kid. It makes sense why she would be brave enough face off with a monster. The third act felt a bit quick though.

  • @MikeTheWolfman35
    @MikeTheWolfman35 Pƙed 2 lety +26

    Can't wait for the sequel: Hooves.

    • @connormcclenny9681
      @connormcclenny9681 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      The antlers creature gets a job as a Twitch mod.

    • @michaelmenei5403
      @michaelmenei5403 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      That's where satyrs, centaurs or the Goatman of Maryland comes in. ;D

  • @vellaimaliapu6374
    @vellaimaliapu6374 Pƙed 2 lety +4

    "Here's what happened there. Alex" ;D Movie Ravenous and TV show Supernatural - both had Wendigos - their storylines, were all about a cannibalistic creature, and how the transformation came about. I guess, Werewolves and Wendigos are quite difficult monsters to make interesting, 2 hour long movies? Once you get past the special effects, the 'horror' part is repeated over?

  • @ThomasTheCure
    @ThomasTheCure Pƙed 2 lety +2

    Seeing the title and monster from a TV snippet, I thought this was gonna be a cool Christmas horror movie like Krampus, but kinda sucks it isn’t that lol

  • @schools6555
    @schools6555 Pƙed 2 lety +4

    The fight between her and the Wendigo was absolutely ridiculous. It swiped at her like an idiot and it did slowly, I was saying what is going on here this is stupid!

  • @MastuhPayne
    @MastuhPayne Pƙed 2 lety +1

    HIS CHEST IS GLOWING FOR NO REASON?!
    Dude, Alex, the fucking heart is MADE OF FIRE.

  • @juliendavila181
    @juliendavila181 Pƙed 2 lety +3

    So how did the first guy die, was it another windigo? Also how does the orange spores work that infects them, like why did it infect the cop brother but not Lucas

  • @zer0_cool
    @zer0_cool Pƙed 2 lety +3

    When AJ mentioned Relic I thought the 90's monster movie and I was confused since it has zero subtext. Awesome movie though.

  • @MaximumMotivation1
    @MaximumMotivation1 Pƙed 2 lety +4

    I always love these videos, but any time Joe brings up the sub text in this one I get major COPIUM vibes hahaha

  • @Varun37251
    @Varun37251 Pƙed 2 lety +4

    I feel like they should’ve had MORE Wendigo, which is strange because usually with horror movies its the opposite. But yeah the ending is extremely underwhelming, like this huge hulking beast who killed cops and grown men, and gravely injured another cop, is just killed by this random women who just learned about the Wendigo. The main character was also lacking A LOT. I feel that if the native man was the main character, or just a native person, the movie would not only have much needed native representation, but the fact that a native man is the one who kills the Wendigo would make much more sense than a random girl who just learned what a Wendigo is.

  • @cabe3231
    @cabe3231 Pƙed 2 lety +3

    Ohhh! Alex dropping that "Time to Kill" fire đŸ”„

  • @crozraven
    @crozraven Pƙed 2 lety +11

    Guys, I recommend to watch MIDNIGHT MASS! You guys completely missed it & it's the best horror piece of the year imo.

    • @ramaya007
      @ramaya007 Pƙed 2 lety

      Not really. It's ok.

    • @joelmarin5890
      @joelmarin5890 Pƙed 2 lety +2

      Shit was surprisingly anticlimactic af tbh that ending was asssss

    • @christiana8742
      @christiana8742 Pƙed 2 lety +2

      That’s not horror for the general audience. General audience needs more basic Hollywood style film

    • @crozraven
      @crozraven Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@ramaya007 any horror movie/show better than MM this year?

    • @crozraven
      @crozraven Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@christiana8742 Many of the best horror classics are not for the general audiences.

  • @Hipnochestra
    @Hipnochestra Pƙed 2 lety +11

    SPOILERS
    I personally have soo many complaints about this movie that I feel like it’s not even worth recommending to anyone. What is this movie for? What is it’s story thats its trying to tell us? What are we supposed to take away after watching it?
    I’ve been looking forward to this movie since before covid myself, and I just watched it today. Needless to say, I don’t like it. Not saying i hated it, or that it didn’t keep me entertained and looking forward to see what happens next or anything, but that this movie to me, literally flopped. Felt like they built up a story and didn’t no which direction to go in and so what we ended up with is a movie about personal problems, a somewhat monster, family and a terrible ending in which none of these thing I’ve mentioned ever connect to one another effectively.
    Ask me what this movie is about and I wouldn’t know what to say. I can’t say its a monster movie because the people who died were minimum and they died in away where they were literally asking to be killed.
    The teacher projected her family problems onto the movie itself making it seem like the kids father is a bad guy and making the entire movie feel like we should have pity for this malnutritioned kid.
    The kid literally changed character at the very end of the movie from being all about family to letting his family get murdered. Just why?? When?? Where was it that made this kid have a change of heart to literally backstab his family??
    Why was the teacher’s brother begging her to take him with her to the mine at the end of the film after he’s been injured?? He did absolutely nothing. Why was e there?????????
    Why wasn’t the teacher one shot by the wendigo?? Literally everyone in the film was one shotted by it. But by all means not this teacher, nope she has the knowledge/training/techniques to take this thing on and beat it
I am lying btw, she has none of those things yet she still fucking wins?? Tf
    And the biggest complaint, why tf did the kid keep going to school?? Yeah the teacher projected saying “its a cry for help” but the kid’s character saids otherwise. Nothing about the kids character says “help me.” He is literally cleaning up murder to protect his family. Lol
    Sorry for the spoilers but for someone’s who’s been waiting a long time for a good movie, this really disappointed me. We literally learned nothing about the teacher backstory but there were two jump scares where she screamed out of panic because of her childhood. What the fuck happened to her?? We learn a little bit but why should I care? How does this help the overarching story?? I’ll tell you how, it doesn’t. It was half ass. If it was better utilize I wouldn’t be complaining.
    And then her brother says to her “you dont know what father did to me” and I’m all like “yeah me either, what did he do??”
    Soo much family problems to our main characters but nothing is explained, let alone shown to us besides bits and pieces that leads nowhere.
    Anyways more importantly, WHERE THE FUCK IS THE WENDIGO THAT STARTED THIS ENTIRE MOVIE?????!?!
    Seriously where the fuck is he or she?? What is their story?? Lol I swear this film could of been sooooo much better if they just told a straight forward story. But it doesn’t, it wants to tell a bunch of different stories that fail to connect in my eyes.
    why was this movie made? What message are they trying to tell us? What am I supposed to take away from watching this because this story tells me nothing.
    Honestly i would of been fine if the kid stabbed the teacher. He should have, it fits his character. He wants to help his family. But on top of forcing the teacher to kill the wendigo(literally wtf, how?? What makes her more special than a trained cop who was one shotted mind you) they also force a happy ending where the kid changes sides last minute for no reason whatsoever.
    Yeah I get it, his side was the bad side, but you can’t just make someone go from the bad side to the good side for no reason and expect not to have any complaints. Its forced. This movie is forced.
    Why is the movie about a wendigo? He could of been a zombie and the story wouldn’t have been ANY different. So what story are they trying to tell us? What are we supposed to take away.
    Anyways I’m done venting. If you want a way better movie to watch that is somewhat similar due to its monster, I highly recommend “The Ritual”

  • @DragonHeart613
    @DragonHeart613 Pƙed 2 lety +5

    The Witcher S#2 & The Wheel of Time trailer reactions Joe? đŸ€žđŸ™đŸ€ž

  • @ShenMerrick
    @ShenMerrick Pƙed 2 lety +2

    As far as Wendigo movies go there will never be one better than 1999's "Ravenous" with Robert Carlyle and Guy Pearce.

    • @3ssenti4L
      @3ssenti4L Pƙed 2 lety

      I gotta check it out!

    • @ShenMerrick
      @ShenMerrick Pƙed 2 lety

      @@3ssenti4L Definitely do, and what's more is that the movie was inspired by a real life event that took place in the late 19th century in Colorado.

  • @K_Rob
    @K_Rob Pƙed 2 lety +2

    Fun fact this film was not originally delayed by the pandemic but by Disney after they acquired Fox and after viewing the film was bewildered and beside themselves about what to do with the film. I have a feeling we have an Empty Man situation of an unfinished film that derails a lot before it ends. I still enjoyed my time with it.

  • @randomizerteleviewage307
    @randomizerteleviewage307 Pƙed 2 lety

    Cool bit of trivia I heard somewhere is that this movie was filmed in a town called Hope in Canada which is the same place the first Rambo movie was shot.

  • @doomslayer1210
    @doomslayer1210 Pƙed 2 lety +3

    Angry joe: I’ve been waiting for this movie for years
    Me: just learned about this movie yesterday from a ad

  • @Jonesy0218
    @Jonesy0218 Pƙed 2 lety +20

    I wanted this to be so good. The trailers made it look great, but meh. It was a typical horror movie with the Wendigo mythology sprinkled on top. There was a switch about halfway through that shifted the momentum. They literally started the typical scary movie stuff out of nowhere
 I really enjoyed the first 30-40 minutes, so it kind of took me by surprise when it got bad lol.

    • @NotQuiteEpic
      @NotQuiteEpic Pƙed 2 lety +4

      Meh and instantly forgettable.

    • @ianswinford5570
      @ianswinford5570 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      Same. Sadly same.

    • @ryanbollinger1759
      @ryanbollinger1759 Pƙed 2 lety +2

      Idk man, I really loved it. I found it to be terrifying all the way through

    • @mikemcwong
      @mikemcwong Pƙed 2 lety +4

      I totally agree with you! Completely meh and underwhelming, the short story was much better.

  • @merona.a.stewart6838
    @merona.a.stewart6838 Pƙed 2 lety +6

    I found your channel couple days ago and I love the reviews with this trio

    • @yeetnessmcfinn501
      @yeetnessmcfinn501 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      lmao watch his old videogame angry rants/reviews.

    • @sharpshoota8274
      @sharpshoota8274 Pƙed 2 lety +2

      Watch some of his old video game rants they are hilarious. Watch his Rambo video game one of u want to laugh tears

    • @mikoto7693
      @mikoto7693 Pƙed 2 lety

      Any review of a Madden game is good. Or the Godzilla game review.

  • @AstaIsAMonster
    @AstaIsAMonster Pƙed 2 lety +11

    Great review AJ and crew đŸ’ȘđŸœ for me it’s a 6/10.

  • @Buritsu
    @Buritsu Pƙed 2 lety +2

    Guys, watch the short story it’s based off of. It’s called “The Quiet Boy”

  • @dierichent
    @dierichent Pƙed 2 lety +2

    Ive been waiting for a Wendigo Opiod crossover my whole life

    • @pkshowsupnoobsallday
      @pkshowsupnoobsallday Pƙed 2 lety

      Well this ain't it.... hopefully the guy that directed sicario, wind river etc. Does his own take on the genre.

    • @dierichent
      @dierichent Pƙed 2 lety

      The reviews for this movie are as depressing as tbe actual movie

  • @Amber_xo_133
    @Amber_xo_133 Pƙed 2 lety

    This film is based on the story "The Quiet Boy", written by Nick Antosca.
    This will be the third time for Jesse Plemons playing the role of a sheriff, he previously played a sheriff in American Made (2017) and Game Night (2018).
    The first film directed by Scott Cooper since Crazy Heart (2009) not to have Masanobu Takayanagi as the director of photography as well as Cooper's first digitally shot film.
    Jay Brazeau, who plays a doctor in the film, was also in the similarly-named 2013 film "Horns."
    The film features a 'Wendigo', a cannibalistic creature of Native American (Algonquin) folklore.
    A Wendigo is also featured in Stephen King's Pet Sematary, however, is largely unseen and in the background influencing the characters actions.

  • @MintyCow101
    @MintyCow101 Pƙed 2 lety +1

    bruh my shirt was too short to cover my face when i saw this i was so scared!! fucking 20/10 holy shit.
    also very excited to see what this new paranormal activity does.

  • @mikoto7693
    @mikoto7693 Pƙed 2 lety +3

    The Wendigos in Fallout 76 can be hard and scary early in the game.

  • @G0DLIKE92
    @G0DLIKE92 Pƙed 2 lety +1

    I literally feel like Joe; explaining the synopsis of a movies and my gf and friends are Alex.. just sitting with arms crossed, disagreeing looking off, not caring. 😂😭

  • @tommichael448
    @tommichael448 Pƙed 2 lety +1

    AJ is a great host and his film reviews have definitely improved massively, but I mainly watch these for Alex's comments and wait for what he has to say. He's able to put his impressions across in an objective and informed way. Poor OJ on the other hand is a bit lost, bless him.

  • @amrahmad1638
    @amrahmad1638 Pƙed 2 lety

    Alex slapping OJ.... i laughed too hard😂😂

  • @thedeeprot
    @thedeeprot Pƙed 2 lety +19

    *REMEMBER US JOE!?!* đŸ’Ș

    • @connorolita5342
      @connorolita5342 Pƙed 2 lety +11

      Who are u guys

    • @verminatorninek5865
      @verminatorninek5865 Pƙed 2 lety

      Who tf?

    • @jhenning499
      @jhenning499 Pƙed 2 lety

      No.

    • @CurtisDofMontana
      @CurtisDofMontana Pƙed 2 lety +2

      Is it me or is Joe Shilling for Disney? Searchlight is owned by Disney. OJ and Alex keep giving Honest reviews while Joe keeps giving high numbers for crap movies. Now Paramount + is paying him so watch what his rating will be for there movie reviews. In spoilers I laughed my ass of when Joe lowered his score when he admitted it was A bad move.

  • @Cthulhuzohavaitfseh
    @Cthulhuzohavaitfseh Pƙed 2 lety +18

    I only trust Alex in this reviews.

    • @JoshThisGuy
      @JoshThisGuy Pƙed 2 lety +3

      Same, aj is really positive, oj has been more down recently but Alex is always perfectly objective

    • @cletusthiberious2006
      @cletusthiberious2006 Pƙed 2 lety +4

      I've always agreed with Alex more than most people. To tell you the truth I think he's too level-headed of all three. He knows how to judge a good film

    • @sharpshoota8274
      @sharpshoota8274 Pƙed 2 lety

      @@cletusthiberious2006 he also knows how to complain really well. They try to hard to criticize.

  • @WaltBlade
    @WaltBlade Pƙed 2 lety

    Proud of y'all with the next level sponsor. Keep up the good work. You deserve it 👏 👏👏👏👏

  • @thelivingjed9676
    @thelivingjed9676 Pƙed 2 lety +4

    I think I prefer the wendigo story from the Until Dawn video game.
    Also, I think the movie would've been more engaging if we got more time with the dad before he became infected, so we get more of an emotional connection with him, sort of like The Fly.

    • @npcimknot958
      @npcimknot958 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      thats what i was thinking too. until dawn did such a good job.
      i really wanted to like this, but that last half... the creature effects were cool tho.. but prefer until dawn

  • @G_Moos
    @G_Moos Pƙed 2 lety +3

    Didnt watched it, but with the kid becoming a monster they probably wanted to show how victims of child abuse often become abusers themselve when they are older

  • @pk7549
    @pk7549 Pƙed 2 lety

    Hey Joe, I know its an old one but can you guys do a review of The Descent(2005)?

  • @DragonSlayerProduction
    @DragonSlayerProduction Pƙed 2 lety

    There is a Jeepers Creepers Reborn Teaser trailer. It's very short but I hope you guys react to the full trailer when it eventually releases

  • @finallygotaroundto2912
    @finallygotaroundto2912 Pƙed 2 lety

    I like that small town 'Ore-a -gan' lol

  • @acornsk9175
    @acornsk9175 Pƙed 2 lety

    Hey guys, loved the video. Are you going to review Last Night in Soho?

  • @joshuafreas4322
    @joshuafreas4322 Pƙed 2 lety +5

    I've long waited for this review

  • @hektorlinko
    @hektorlinko Pƙed 2 lety +1

    I'm sure many you tubers scary story tellers like Swamp Dweller, Mr. Nightmare, Darkness Prevails, Let's Read, etc. saw this opening night right away. I think this movie is mostly for fans like us that get the history of these stories and understand the windingos and shapeshifter ect. A+++

  • @InkedUP89InkedOUT
    @InkedUP89InkedOUT Pƙed 2 lety

    I’m glad they get the “message” joke now lol it was sad af when OJ said and Alex and Joe was lost smh I was so disappointed. Shoutout to OJ keeping “message!” alive lol

  • @matthewjk9016
    @matthewjk9016 Pƙed 2 lety

    A shirt of Alex eyebrow raised would be pretty cool

  • @liamdude5722
    @liamdude5722 Pƙed 2 lety +2

    So, whenever child services takes a child away from a drug addicted parent, they have to be sure to put the kid in jail too

  • @theterbear9915
    @theterbear9915 Pƙed 2 lety +1

    Saw this movie this past weekend. We were the only ones there. Sad because me and my fiance loved this movie. Great Wendigo movie for once they got it right.

    • @theterbear9915
      @theterbear9915 Pƙed 2 lety

      @nwo yeah we went Halloween weekend at this big shopping center where everyone was there for kids trick or treating. But the galaxy theater we went too had electric recliner seats.

  • @nikhilchandran955
    @nikhilchandran955 Pƙed 2 lety +7

    Joe is excited he finally understood a movie subtext that Alex didn't.

  • @StuartEaston23
    @StuartEaston23 Pƙed 2 lety +5

    One of the things that left me a bit confused by the end of this movie was the fact that shouldn't there still be another wendigo lurking around out there? The monster we follow in this movie is the dad after he's transformed. But in the beginning he and his meth buddy got attacked in the mine by one too. So even with his death and that of his son that would still leave the initial creature from the beginning am I wrong? Unless I missed something I think that might be a plot hole.

    • @elliepetrova6940
      @elliepetrova6940 Pƙed 2 lety

      there was that one body that they found mauled in the woods, which i think was before the father completely lost it, so that could’ve been the other guy? or he died trying to get out, i think they left that up to our interpretation on purpose :0

    • @StuartEaston23
      @StuartEaston23 Pƙed 2 lety

      @@elliepetrova6940 The body that was found in the woods by the ex sheriff was the dads meth cook buddy. The film just kind of forgets about the initial monster from the beginning.

    • @elioorozco8185
      @elioorozco8185 Pƙed 2 lety

      What I understood is that once the wendigo is killed it possesses someone else (as we see with the kid and the brother at the end) so I believe that the father killed the initial wendigo and was possessed Afterwards and becomes the main Wendigo of the movie. Though I'm not entirely sure

    • @StuartEaston23
      @StuartEaston23 Pƙed 2 lety

      @@elioorozco8185 Even if the father did kill it there would still be a body of the dead wendigo but there isn't one.

    • @elioorozco8185
      @elioorozco8185 Pƙed 2 lety

      @@StuartEaston23 true that, but remember they did find an antler in the mine showing there is still some remnants of the last wendigo. The father could've done something with the body. All speculation still though.

  • @Aedeus
    @Aedeus Pƙed 2 lety +1

    For a great monster movie with an actual interesting message, watch Tumbad, the setting, the plot, the monster is fantastic.

  • @nathanbrown6309
    @nathanbrown6309 Pƙed 2 lety

    Alex looks like he’s thinking what drugs is Joe on today most of the video 😂😂

  • @brandenapexo604
    @brandenapexo604 Pƙed 2 lety +14

    Despite some of the hero saves the day bs at the end this was a solid movie that touched on allota disadvantages of societal tropes like dealing with a difficult and sick parental figure, drug abuse, social services, the failing school system, authorities and the consequences of mankind defiling nature to the point where nature starts to defile back. Beside the cheesy ending the movie was ok the creature design and tone was very enthralling.

    • @lachancla3723
      @lachancla3723 Pƙed 2 lety +2

      If they would have gone with the bleak ending like the short story, I think this movie would have done better, or maybe later on it will be remembered even better, because the cheesy ending does actually detract from the story. The ending would have been super dark and bleak so...

    • @brandenapexo604
      @brandenapexo604 Pƙed 2 lety +3

      @@lachancla3723 I think the non existent police force of the town should’ve went down to the mine with a gang of rifles had a shoot out with the thing weakened it then had the boy stab it in the heart, I can not fathom how a 130 to 140 pound school teacher was able to kill a 12 foot blood thirsty monster that literally killed and ate a bear moments before.

  • @alexschneider8494
    @alexschneider8494 Pƙed 2 lety +2

    This movie was extremely unfaithful to the source material and it gave too much explanation about the Wendigo. The Wendigo aspect was left kind of ambiguous in the book as was the abuse.

  • @NemoHose
    @NemoHose Pƙed rokem

    Legend has it, Alex is still attempting to make a full point without interruption.

  • @ActionXander
    @ActionXander Pƙed 2 lety

    Just saw this movie! I agree. It starts off very strong but then it falls into the cliche sci fi monster tropes towards the end. I loved the atmosphere and eerieness that was similar to another film like it (The Ritual).

  • @Decemburrrrrr
    @Decemburrrrrr Pƙed 2 lety

    Ive been waiting for this movie for years as well. There were a lot of delays. Can't wait to watch it!

  • @westayedtrue497
    @westayedtrue497 Pƙed 2 lety +3

    I go to the movies exclusively through you guys and I'm loving it 👌👌

  • @bobbyhawk8797
    @bobbyhawk8797 Pƙed 2 lety

    They're going to have a fun time with that new paranormal movie

  • @TheKarjee
    @TheKarjee Pƙed 2 lety

    There we go! That's Alex's T-Shirt! "DO YOU GET IT! DO YOU GET IT! I'm sorry, DO YOU GET IT!"

  • @ganjafarma69
    @ganjafarma69 Pƙed 2 lety +2

    Watch the movie game night before seeing this. The cop from game night is the brother lol

  • @thedarkestdawn1
    @thedarkestdawn1 Pƙed 2 lety +16

    This is the only movie I've been looking forward to for so long!

    • @NotQuiteEpic
      @NotQuiteEpic Pƙed 2 lety +1

      I just saw it. I expected better with Del Toro's involvement. Lots of holes in the dialogue and un-fleshed characters.

    • @hakim599
      @hakim599 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@NotQuiteEpic i just saw it too and im pretty disappointed

    • @lordodin8896
      @lordodin8896 Pƙed 2 lety

      @@NotQuiteEpic samee I going so hypme so much potantional but 😒

    • @cram2979
      @cram2979 Pƙed 2 lety

      It was really good

    • @hakim599
      @hakim599 Pƙed 2 lety

      @@cram2979 I bet you like sparkling water too huh

  • @omgkid
    @omgkid Pƙed 2 lety +21

    Why doesn't the AJS subscriber count increase? Its been on 3.27 ever since I subscribed in late 2019 and has actually decreased to 3.26M. As a big fan I would like to see the channel growing more đŸ˜„

    • @daEasyDM
      @daEasyDM Pƙed 2 lety +5

      Yeah they really deserve more recognition

    • @F4stHeroes
      @F4stHeroes Pƙed 2 lety +10

      I feel ya dude. Honestly I think the biggest reason is how few "Angry Reviews" are uploaded these days (referring to game reviews) his older reviews would get millions upon millions of views, now for the most part they can barely break a million or two. I love Joe, OJ and Alex and will always watch them but I doubt we will ever see this channel hit 3.3 million, it seems like the channel has peaked.

    • @awesome9174
      @awesome9174 Pƙed 2 lety +4

      Cause they don't review games that much anymore

    • @daEasyDM
      @daEasyDM Pƙed 2 lety +2

      @@awesome9174 there aren’t many games out to review tho

    • @ghostgoat5508
      @ghostgoat5508 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      Probably because he’s a rac1st and really doesn’t like people of the fairer complexion. Even though he is technically a Caucasian.

  • @jeffn4836
    @jeffn4836 Pƙed 2 lety +29

    Joe was really proud that he understood the surface-level, low-hanging fruit subtext in this. Well done, Joe.

    • @Demolishorx
      @Demolishorx Pƙed 2 lety +3

      Why be mean. Doesn't cost anything to be nice.

    • @VskutkuTrigen
      @VskutkuTrigen Pƙed 2 lety

      @@Demolishorx but does not give you 30 likes :D

  • @josh199175
    @josh199175 Pƙed 2 lety +3

    Angry "I liked it more than you guys" Joe

  • @LordHayabusa85
    @LordHayabusa85 Pƙed 2 lety +1

    Wendigo can only be killed by fire, flares easily catch fire, hence the wendigo is scared of the flare.

  • @arkainin4638
    @arkainin4638 Pƙed 2 lety +1

    Joe: I get it, you might not, but its dumb either way.
    Alex: We all get it, it's all just dumb.
    OJ: Eh.

  • @nareik1363
    @nareik1363 Pƙed rokem +1

    I had high hopes for this film!đŸ˜© The worst part for me was when they all kept walking into that shed and the Wendigo was just hiding somewhere out in the open and kept stabbing them from behind


  • @steveshilling8561
    @steveshilling8561 Pƙed 2 lety +2

    I was very excited for this film but after it ended I was left dissatisfied

  • @M0RGAT0RY
    @M0RGAT0RY Pƙed rokem +1

    The woman in this from Felicity is better in the alien movie... Dark Skies ( Keri Russell )

  • @Gamerid95
    @Gamerid95 Pƙed 2 lety

    I get the whole premise of the movie and the meanings behind it, but what about the wendigo that attacked the father and his friend at the beginning, where did he dissapear?

  • @DogmaBeoulve
    @DogmaBeoulve Pƙed 2 lety +1

    It would seem to me that if the movie turned into a mess or got worse as it went on and it had started with some silly message either veneered on or just beneath the surface about *something entirely unrelated* then the message got in the way of the story and, ultimately, ruined it. Perhaps the writer/director had no clue as to how to tie the two together, or how to continue on with the message while simultaneously making it a horror film about a wendigo... and that's pretty important, if you ask me. What's the point in a message if it ruins, stalls or stonewalls your movie? What's the point in a horror movie if a message takes more priority over any part of the movie itself? I would imagine that, in most cases, it is best to stick with your movie and what your movie is supposed to be about and to deliver an *experience*, not a *message*. I think Alex nails it.