With this amazing sharpening system even beginners get professional results!
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- In-Depth reviews of woodworking products from China. In this episode: With this amazing sharpening system even beginners get professional results!
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Here are all the direct links to the products in this video.
Mohoo Sharpening system
www.banggood.com/custlink/33v...
You have to order type A and B for the complete system!
Whetstones
www.banggood.com/custlink/Dvv...
Hongdui Edge trimmer
www.banggood.com/custlink/GGK...
Hongdui Miter Gauge
www.banggood.com/custlink/GmG...
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My Personal Banggood favorites of all time!
1. Hongdui Edge Trimmer
www.banggood.com/custlink/GGK...
2. Doweling Jig / Multi-row puncher
www.banggood.com/custlink/KDv...
3. Gweike Co2 laser
www.gweikecloud.com/collectio...
4. Mohoo Sharpening system
www.banggood.com/custlink/33v...
5. Drill guide cabinet jig
www.banggood.com/custlink/KDD...
6. T-ruler
www.banggood.com/custlink/3GG...
7. Precision square
www.banggood.com/custlink/DKv...
8. Miter square
www.banggood.com/custlink/GmG...
9. Height gauge
www.banggood.com/custlink/KGG...
10. Hongdui Miter Gauge
www.banggood.com/custlink/vGD...
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Good evening Denis, I just watched this video again. After watching for the first time, I immediately followed your recommendation and bought the Moho Sharpening System. It was delivered this evening and I have to confirm your assessment. The Moho is a fantastic and highly precisioned tool. I watch all your videos and especially enjoy your China Tools series. Thank you and keep reviewing.
I just got the Mahoo set , first time being able to put a secondary bevel on my blades very easy and precise.
Excellent review as usual Denis! 😄
I always like to see woodworkers who primarily use powertools trying out hand tools. Its good that you included someone with experience, especially with sharpening, having spent time on it really shows. I would still go for the veritas system, but the Mahoo doesnt look half bad.
I have a trend jig that's very similar to the Mahoo, it's not quite as robust, but I think the engineering is better. The only wheel on it is like 2" wide and you never have to move it inside or outside for stability. Also setting up a 25 or 30 degree bevel is super easy. There are other angles on it, but those are the most common ones for me. If you don't have a setup currently, the Trend was like $50 when I bought it a few years back, and I'd consider it a better version of the Mahoo. However if your heart is set on veritas, then nothing I say is going to sway you. :D
This, this is what I've been waiting for! I've tried a bunch of sharpening guides but have always felt a bit anxious about them and the build just didn't feel that good. This set looks amazing and will order it as soon as I'm done typing this comment. Thanks Dennis!
Thanks Dirk, pretty convinced you will love it.
You would not believe how timely this is as I was about to purchase a Tormek T-8 water cooled grindstone! This episode has convinced me to purchase this Mahoo system complete with two of the guides so I can have them with wheels in and out. Thank you for all the time, effort and professionalism you put into these videos
@Colin Leigh Both ways have pros and cons. Hand vs machine sharpening? If you are a hobbyist time is no factor. It will take an awful lot of time and effort to get a new chisel or planer blade really sharp.
@@theovannieuwenhuizen5756 True, but how often do you buy new chisels or plane blades?
this system is good value denis, thanks.
I bought the Mahoo system based on your excellent review and recommendation and it arrived within 3 days; amazing. Over the years I have tried many sharpening systems including whetstones and a Sorby Proedge. None of them have given me such consistent and high quality results. It has been a revelation.
Many Thanks Dennis.
Keep up the first class work
Hi @hendo2209, I'm looking at buying the system but I can't see the maximum and minimum blade widths the honing guide can accommodate; I would want to use the system for both planes blades and chisels.
Would you be able to let me know?
Regards John
Hi Dennis, love your China tools review videos, apricate the new look web pages too, making it easy to locate historic reviews like this one that I've watched a few times.
Regards John
Fantastic review, Dennis! Thanks a bunch! 😃
I've seen the guide a few days ago and was wondering exactly when you were going to review it!
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Hi Dennis, thanks for the great video! I also want to see you test Zen-Wu Tools as well, is that something planed? Thanks!
Leuke film weer. Ook goed om de werkplaatst van Henry te zien.
Can the angle finding jig be used with a different brand honing guide?
What's the impact of the brass wheels wearing out on the sharpening stones?
The angle will change, right?
Hi Dennis, thanks for your review I have been wanting a good guide but there are so many with bad reviews or just too expensive. Going to buy this now :) Could you please share the diamond stone and grit you use to keep the stones flat? Thank you!
Dennis is the man that KNOWS how to review an item. Thank you kind Sir. We love you
It is a heavy solid base, it surprised me just how well made it is.
great video
Hi Dennis, thanks for your great review. Based on that I purchased the complete Mohoo sharpening system to restore an old plane blade but I have a problem to get the blade into 90 degree. I'm only able to round the edges a bit. This would be good for some exercises but not for all. First of all I would like to restore the blade as it should be with 25 degree and 90 degree to both edges. Any Idea what I'm doing wrong with the sharpening system? As it is rock solid I would not think about a faulty tool and my surface is also flat. At the moment I'm using 150 sanding paper to rebuild the blade to it's former geometry. Regards, Arne
Excellent video Dennis,thank you.👍👍
Thanks Dennis for another great episode of China Tools
Hi Dennis, would you please spell the name of the sharpening jig and where I may buy one in Australia. Thank you in anticipation. Oh yes ,may I ask you what you think of my dust catching ideas in the comments to your virtical drill station dust extraction exercise. All the best for now.
We're can I buy this tools?
JUST GOT THE SET TRIED IT ON MY NEW AND OLD 50mm CHISELS AND THE OLD ONES ARE SHARPER THAN WHEN NEW
The Mohoo system looks like a very good copy of the Woodpeckers sharpening system. There are videos on YT from Woodpeckers which show the usage very detailed.
I have ordered the Mohoo system just yesterday, thinking why is there no video from Denis about it? And voilà, here it comes! Good work as always, Denis!
I agree the Mohoo System looks very similar to the Woodpecker "One Time" Sharpening System & Guide (with Angle Gauge) that sold for $337.50 & $202.50 respectively (i.e. Total $540 for both). I recieved the Mohoo System today.
What date is the Banggood big sale on that you mention in other videos?
Bought it immediately! Thank you.
The Moho is a great copy of the Woodpeckers Sharpening System. Thanks for reviewing it.
But quite literally a tenth of the price for identical results.
Another excellent video Denys! That is why you are my go to guide for purchasing woodworking tools. I have nice chisel sets but was always hesitant to sharpen them due to fear of ruining their angle of cut. So I be ordering your recommendations that give me a simple directive to sharpen my chisels. I wish you would also recommend an all around plane for a beginner since it's hard to make a big investment in planes as a beginner when one can easily make an expensive mistake . And another recommendation for high quality sharpening tool for kitchen knives. Thank you.
a #4 smoothing plane or #5 jack plane for general use and small block plane for end grain is a good place to start! Together with this sharpening set it's hard to go wrong!
@@DirkieB Thank you Dirk, I will search for one of these.
@@rashidtayidi8370: I second Dirks advice. A perfect beginner's set.
Try to find them used, maybe in a yard or estate sale. Buying new can be very expensive.
If you need to replace the blades, it is still cheaper than buying new.
I am very fortunate, I inherited, exactly that set, from my grandfather. 😁✌🖖
Looks awesome!
Btw, what happened to your review of the Hongdui 1/2 gauge? Wanted to watch it again but now it's gone 😔
Difficult question! Maybe one day I explain.
Good afternoon Denis.
I don't see the mohoo honing guide in eu warehouses ☹️
Bonjour Dennis je découvre votre chaine + 1 abonné 😋 à la recherche comment aiguisé son ciseau à bois pour la première fois (je suis débutant) et je trouve que ce système Mohoo me conviendrai pour faire mes premier pas mais pour les pierres je suis perdu pouvez vous me conseiller les grains que je doit prendre pour amener à bien des beaux tranchants merci d'avance pour votre retour
I’m new to woodworking and loved this so much I purchased the set. I was wondering if you could answer a question for me. When sharpening the chisel, would pressure have to be applied in both directions or just in the one direction. If it’s one, is it towards me or away? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Both ways. Use the mk2 Veritas system. Read the instructions fully several times. Flatten the back of your chisels, plane blades etc first. Then use the Veritas jig. New chisels and new blades = 25 degrees first, adjust the Veritas jig and hone to 30 degrees. Clean the back of your chisels or blades flat to the sharpening stone. Sharpening ‘stone’ - blunt chisels, plane blades use a diamond plate about 300 grit (or diamond grit equivalent); not blunt - 600 grit, then a fine stone not a diamond plate. Use a fine norton or look out for a charnley stone. Always look after the cutting edges by covering them with a (plastic, timber) cover etc when not in use. I use diamond fluid from Kemex or malredo for the plates; then 3 in 1 oil for the ‘stones’. Take care.
Haha Dennis, je gebruikt het kladblokje van Baptist ook als tester op scherpte. Leuk dat ik niet de enige ben. Keep up the good work
😀😀, is een multi tool voor mij.
I’ve just got the Mohoo sharpening system. Very well built, however I have a slight issue with the secondary bevel not being parallel with the primary bevel. I’m sure I’m setting up accurately. Any ideas?
Yes, I also have that problem I realized that one of the holes where the wheel sits was .010 of an inch high. And on the opposite side where the blade sits was .007 of an inch low. So I got the wheel that was sitting high. I put a screw a bolt on it put it on my drill press and with a mill file I grinded .017 of an inch off and now it gives me perfect bevels
Uhm, I have the Veritas Sharpening system II, bought it a year ago for 62EUR (current price 70EUR at Dictum). There's also a selfcentering version which is a bit more pricey but might be worth it if there's a problem fixing the your chisel/blade. I must say I'm very happy with the Veritas despite it's angle fixing flaws. The honing guide has two major advantages over the presented version: You don't need to readjust the angle if you want to create a microbevel, and secondly the honing guide is rolling on a single wide brass roller which not only avoids the need having to remount the rollers but I'm also very confident that this is a lot sturdier than the attempt to get consistent results from individual moving parts losely connected via steel rods.
I agree with you on some points. Especially tje bevel switch. But the wheels are perfectly stable and it works better when 2 wheels turn independently when you want to use the the full whetstone. So I do not say the Veritas is worse, but the Mohoo is absolutely not unstable.
I’m using the affront mention narrow blade fixing for the veritas. It’s working good and add about 30 bugs to the bill. The biggest issue I have is that my tools are not all 100% straight sharpened from factory.. and as I have very bad experience with the quality of bang good tools (e.g. parallel guide system..), for this small price advantage I never would buy the banggood thing. You never know what you get, unless the seller knows you are a CZcamsr..
@@HookedonWood I disagree on that 2 wheels theory. With the one big roller of the Veritas you can easily use stones which are narrower than the blade you're sharpening since really only the center must properly roll on the abrasive; with 2 separate wheels that's a lot more difficult plus you might run into a lot of other funky problems like one bearing blocking and grinding a flat into the wheel instead. My experience with cheap chinese bearings is bad enough that I totally expect that happen.
PS: I completely switched from using expensive Japanese stones and (equally expensive) Diamond plates to adhesive microfinishing sheets from 3M stuck to a float glass plate; yields much better and faster results without all the fuss...
Does the honing guide come with instructions including information on how far the edge should go out to get specific angles? Or does one need to buy the angle fixture to actually know how to set the honing guide for specific angles?
When you only have the honing guide you use the chisel and setup it by eye. The guide is more practical and easy to use. I would recommend both.
Veritas has a different version that is for chisel so they can’t move from side to side, but it’s a bit annoying and expensive that you need two different version.
In your last video about the Miter Gauge Fence you mentioned that you are in contact with banggood about the spare tires for the Mohoo Sharpening System, so that I assume that you have certain influence.
I have the suggestion to widen the grooves in the tires. Currently they are 1 mm wide x 1 mm deep, so common o-rings don't really fit. O-rings with a thickness of 1 mm do fit in the groove, but they do not protrude over the tire. I got 10 x 1,5 mm kind of mounted but they do not sit evenly.
It would be better if the grooves are 1.5 mm wide. Then, for example, 15 x 1.5 mm would fit perfectly. Would be happy if you think about it
Other than that, I'm really happy with the sharpening system. Ordered it four weeks ago. It is very well made and makes a quality appearance. Well worthe the money. Thanks for the review
Did you find an o-ring size that fits the stock brass wheels?
@@HarrellTX I still use 10 x 1.5 mm O-rings. Even if they don't fit perfectly, they do the job for me. However, the manufacturer could improve the jig by making the grooves wider than deep. I suggest to take 10 x 1,5 mm as a startingpoint, give it a try and see if it fits for you. I have purchased several sizes and was not willing to buy another one, but if you find one that fits better, please let me know.
Hi Dennis, just received the honing guide, very solid indeed. But I found the accompanying distance gauge a bit overpriced. Any chance you can share the settings for different angles, like 25, 30 and 35 degrees?
Hi Paul, Sorry to hear you found the distance gauge overpriced. I find it an impressive build product. Even overbuild as I told in the video. But its function is basic. There is a gauge included with the honing guide that gives information about different settings, but I would keep the angle like the piece you want to sharpen.
I recently bought this honing guide. It seems to be made out of good material and good machining the one I received unfortunately was out of parallel and kept giving me skewed Bevils maybe I just got a defective one but customer service was only willing to refund me US$14 and I’m left with a non-parallel guide and last out of the rest of my money. Not saying this wouldn’t be a great product for the ones that get it not defected, but if there is a defect, don’t expect a refund or exchange.
Just a small correction in the comments on the veritas, they provide a side clamping head for chisels. It uses a side clamping action not top clamping. Using the correct head results in a perfectly square positioning, no angular movement of the chisel to be sharpened.
Thanks Kevin! Good point. Henry did not use it, but I saw pictures where I saw the side clamping head.
i have it but i dont use it. normally have no problems with the side movement 🙂
Perfect Dennis, this is exactly the test I was waiting for. Thanks for that. I have been looking at the Moho system for quite some time. Last days Jonas Winkler demonstrated a chisel set from Lidl and was surprised by the quality. In combination with this sharpening set I will now have brutally sharp chisels for under 100€. What more do I want?
Sounds like a good deal! :-)
As mentioned in previous comments, the Veritas has a chisel mount available. As for micro bevels, with the Veritas you achieve this by turning the knob on the wheel mount. But for the price, the Mahoo system is hard to beat.
You could just slide a thin piece of whatever between the edge and the angle guide stop effectively making the sharpening angle steeper. So you can have a 100% repeatable micro bevel with this jig.
Hi Dennis. Do you know what is the narrowest blade size the Mohoo is capable of sharpening?
Hi Brian, I measured a smallest distance of 4mm. But you have to clamp it also, so the blade has to be wider than 4mm and smaller than 65mm
@@HookedonWood thanks Dennis.
Sorry I don't see in your review of the Mohoo... what is the widest and narrowest it works with? Thanks for the great review.
Hi Scott, thanks for your comments. Blade side should be wider than 4mm and smaller than 65mm. I think 65 will do as maximum.
@@HookedonWood Thanks again. Great work you do introducing us to China tools that are more affordable. Keep it up!
His workbench is incredible…
Beautiful
Hi Dennis , I bought the very nice Mohoo sharpening system. The problem I am having is the indexing pin is too big in diemaker to fit the hole on the gauge. I have tried contacting the manufacturer but no luck. Can you help? Thanks, Steve
I believe you sent me an email? Please if you do, sent again but with your order nr. Thanks
Looks like a great system and if I didn't already have the Veritas system I'd consider it. One problem I have with honing guides like that is some chisels and old, used plane blades might not have parallel sides and the side clamp can give inconsistent results.
Bedankt voor de introductie. Waar voor je geld kan echt niet kloppen. Ik heb meteen besteld.
The veritas sharpening system in its complete deluxe set is still a more thoughtful and high-quality product. Firstly, there is a special clamp for chisels, which presses them not from above, but from the sides, so fixing even very narrow chisels does not cause any problems (I successfully sharpened a 3 mm wide chisel on it). Secondly, the veritas has a second barrel-shaped roller that allows you to slightly tilt the planer knife when sharpening to get a light cutting edge radius so that the edges of the knife do not leave streaks on the surface. Thirdly, veritas has a special jig for setting the sharpening angle of skewed knives, which simply cannot be sharpened in traditional trolleys. Also, you forgot to mention that the veritas roller has 4 positions, which helps to microbevel at 3 different angles.
Thus, no Chinese sharpening system still compares to veritas in terms of versatility and customization flexibility.
I agree with you. Especially the settings for bevels is perfect. The Veritas is a very nice system. Maybe better in some ways, but the ease of setting the angle with this system is so much more convenient. That is what you need to do every time when you use it. We had a "wow, that Is easy" feeling when we set up the chisel for sharpening compared to the Veritas. But it is in no way my intention to say that the Veritas is a bad system. It is more differs and what you say, the bevel setting is very nice implemented.
@@HookedonWood I totally agree with Sergey. the problem is that Henry in the video is using the standard clamping head and it is not really for chisel it's for plain blades and therefore a pain in the butt to set up with a chisel. And actually a apples to oranges comparison in the video. The narrow blade head for chisels from veritas is setting up the same way as the Chinese system and is as easy to use. And while the veritas system is more expensive it is much more suited for beginners since it has a holder for chisel, plane blades and skew chisel. it also offers a registration jig for skew chisel and the secondary bevel can be achieved with just a turn of a knob on the veritas roller. it does not need another setup step. In my honest opinion it is the best system to quickly sharpen multiple chisel or plane blades by hand in a short time.
Thanks Marco, It was certainly not a review of Veritas, but when we compared it, because Henry used it, I came to the conclusion that it is easier to set up and more secured. When I looked at the bevel system I think it is a very clever addition. Thanks for your comment
Dennis, any chance we can get a video on how you made the enclosure for your laser engraver. I often see it in the background of your videos.
Does it work well with 3mm chisels ? That's the biggest issue with cheap eclipse clones imo, they can often not hold them very well. Is this one better ?
Hi, This is certainly not a cheap product. It is very well made and of high quality. However the minimum distance I measure is 4mm up to 65mm. So, the same as woodpeckers version.
Didn’t read through the comments so not sure if it was mentioned but I find it disingenuous to highlight the shortcomings of the Veritas honing guide when in fact savvy woodworkers often buy the deluxe set that has two guides, one ostensibly for plane blades and d one for chisels that self centres, etc. So great presentation overall, but to be honest with product reviews one needs to point out the shortcomings if comparing products or just not mention them at all. If there’s a negative about the Veritas system I’d say it was the price point with the Veritas guides compared to your favoured product.
Which whetstone grades do I need?
I would opt for the 400/1000 and 2000/5000, when possible add the 3000/8000 to it.
Have you tried the shapton stones?
No, Like is said in the video, I do not have that much experience with different stones. I kept with these, but I starting to become curious, so maybe I will look into it. Thanks
@@HookedonWood they'll change your life
Has anyone else had problems with this thing getting stuck? I don’t know if mine came with bent rods or what but I can’t get it to open. It’s stuck shut. Such a disappointment
Guides like these have been around in the UK for years, and available from any of the big box stores.
They are a lot cheaper and work just as well as any "sharpening system".
I doubt that. There are a lot of these with a small wheel in the middle, but that is no way as stable as this one. If you think that doesn’t matter, you have a lot of experience. But the average woodworker will have so much better results with this system that it is well worth the money. Of course, in my opinion 😀
FYI,
the prices for us in US are a bit higher, $50 and $65 respectively
I see, what you can do is choose, CN warehouse, then you will get the other prices. It will only take about 20 days to arrive. But thanks for your comment, I was not aware of this.
The red honing guide looks very interesting. But it lacks one Featur, the Veritas provides (with addons): support for skewed blades
Agree!
Thanks Denis, I have the Veritas one which is quite good but this one looks much better so I have ordered one. If I like it as much as you did I will probably order another to use in my other workshop. Mike
PS unfortunately Banggood has just told me that delivery will be delayed due to manufacturing problems. No date offered.
It finally arrived yesterday. On a first test it was much easier to set up than my Veritas system and the chisel was accurately square to the stone which is very hard to achieve with the standard Veritas. I agree the simple Veritas system for the micro bevel is simpler to use but readjusting the chisel in the Banggood guide is very easy and avoids the easy mistake with the Veritas if you forget to change the setting on the roller. Overall I think the Banggood is very good. I will order another and sell my Veritas guide.
Having read several reviews about the Veritas guide which were less than complementary about the quality of finish and manufacture of this device and having looked at mine again I agree it is pretty rough overall and well below the standard one would expect given its price. It doesn't compare in quality or ease of use (apart from the minimal inconvenience of having to reset the guide for the micro bevel) with the Banggood set. The absence of a means of rounding off the sides of the cutting edge of some plane blades is a very minor point and I am sure it could be done by adding a thin ruler on one side of the stone on to taper the cutting edge. A little fiddly but for the very occasional time it would be needed not much of a defect.
Finally received the honing guide and the set-up block but am finding that the honing guide isn't holding my chisels tight enough. The other honing guide I have (don't know the name) has an indent at the base of the guide to stop the chisel etc. from dropping out; this honing guide has no such feature so is more difficult to hold the chisels tight. Not that pleased so far.
Like you, I received mine today.
tried it on 1/8th and 1/4" (3 & 6mm) and it locked fine.
Slight problem was not being able to reach 25mm as, over the last 50 years of grinding, there is very little length left of those two chisels lol.
I have always hollow ground my chisels and plane blades and they have always been suffice but my first impressions are good.
All I need now is to save up and buy a set of Japanese Waterstone's
As an individual developing unique products, it burns me a little bit when Chinese mfg's copy and undersell people who have spent a ton of time designing, making, and bringing a great idea to market. Yeah it's cheaper, but I wonder how much of that savings come from cloning vs R&D. I'd be very curious to see a hidden camera tour of the facilities that build these, and the lives of those who put their labors to this.
On several items very true, they are taking advantage of other’s R&D. On this example, these sharpeners are a different design that is expressed to work better than big name product. Replicating or cloning of product: many product designs are sent to China to save on production and are directly copied… send products to a Country that lacks strong patent or copy laws to minimize production costs and maximize profit isn’t the best route if wanting to prevent or reduce replication / copies.
@@dougcjohn I agree the cost of using overseas labor is having your stuff copied, but in this particular example the OEM makes everything in the States .
Hello Denis, on Woodpeckers' video titled "Sharpening System Tips & Tricks," there is a section (the 2nd chapter) that discusses the rubber joints on the wheels. On the Mahoo version, the wheels appear to be identical with grooves (to be confirmed) to the WP version, so it may be possible to place the joints there. These joints are considered "standard" in the USA, and the reference is: dash 907 buna-n o-ring. However, they are not currently imported to Europe. I have searched for an equivalent in China with the same level of hardness, but so far I have not found one. Perhaps you have a lead?
Good video but not much difference in price for the viretis honing system 😢
agree, luckily the same counts for the quality of the tool
I have the Viritas but this looks much better i agree with your opinion about chisel moving even when it's secured. Cheers Dennis once again
I have the Veritas system and can confirm that the chisel is not hold firmly, should have knows this earlier.....
It looks to be a great system I did have the veritas but didn’t use it much but this system looks quick and easy to set up with great results
The price of the two parts of the Mahoo honing system has nearly doubled in the 4 hours since this was posted…
Not when I look at it. When you are from the US, try to select the CN warehouse
The Mohoo guide looks well engineered because ir's a rip off of the Woodpeckers system. It may be well built but still a chinese copy.
This is an almost exact copy of the Woodpeckers one time tool system. It is painful to see a company steal all of the R&D costs involved in bringing a product to market. This benefits the consumer but discourages American companies from investing in new product design.
So...is the Woodpeckers OneTime Tool Sharpening System available now, or is the clue in "one time"? Did Woodpeckers patent the system? Woodpeckers retired the Tool Sharpening system after its initial run and there is nothing similar to it for sale on their website. It should be fair game to anyone interested in tooling up for a production run and let the market determine the demand. I have a lot of Woodpeckers tools because I enjoy the quality, durability, and accuracy and have no problem paying a premium when they have something I want. However, their OneTime Tool program tends to be a joke. For what it's worth, I live in Europe and don't have any incentive to support companies in the USA.
@Mike K Agree with all you say. This is a unique situation. WP invested a lot of money engineering this system, but chose the "one time" strategy to create a sense of urgency. By the way, I have the wp system and it really works well.
Hand planes , electric planers
The guide seems like a great deal, but the 40€ angle fixture is a terrible deal IMO, you can make the same thing out of wood in minutes. I don't see what it does that a simple wooden jig doesn't do.
Saves a lazy bugger like me from having to make a jig? And it's SO SHINY.
😂 It is really shiny
I also forgot to mention that I posted a review with pictures of the un-parallel guide and the skewed bevels it was giving me and they don’t appear on Banggood I’m thinking they erase the bad reviews.
Hi Jorge, can you send me a picture how a un-parallel guide look like my email is: Hookedonwood@hotmail.com
Maybe I can help you. Thanks Dennis
Hi Dennis, I sent you the pictures and like I said the rods are straight the wheels are same size. The holes are drilled a little out of parallel and it just doesn’t lineup. Maybe you can tell me what you think and I just wanted to say that I appreciate all your videos, Dennis I have a Lot of Chyna tools because of your videos and I appreciate what you do. Thank you.
A good simple way to set an angle for sharpening is place a digital magnetic angle finder on the back of the chisel or blade.
what a great tip!
You mentioned using a diamond stone dry. This is not the best practice. You should use a diamond stone with a lubricant intended for dimond stone use. Using it dry can clog the surface of the stone.
Thanks, you are right about this!
Just gone to order and out of stock 😢
Maybe other warehouse
The downside for this tool over the Veritas Mk2 (which I own) is that for honing chisels using the outboard mounted wheels, you will be restricted to using the centre of the stone. This will necessitate more frequent flattening of non-diamond stones. Diamond “stones” will always be as flat as they are ever going to get when you buy them. Sharpening plane blades will be fine.
With the Veritas jig, the wider wheel allows use of almost the whole width of the stone. Even so, you still need to flatten water stones with any jig or even if you have the skill to sharpen by hand. You just need to do it less often.
This may not be a consideration if the stones are inexpensive but if you have an investment in expensive water stones like Shapton, these tools may be a false economy.
That said, this is a solid improvement over the Eclipse style honing guide and the quality of the jigs speaks for itself.
As people mention, the Mahoo system is a direct copy of Woodpeckers system. So, what happens when you buy Mahoo? Three things: A) You save money. B) You help China steal intellectual property from a USA company. C) Woodpeckers doesn’t get your money to cover their R&D expenses.
What to do? It’s a tough choice for most people.
Ultimately, the choice is yours. We all understand that saving money is a good thing. However, decisions have consequences. One day, your friends job may be outsourced to China. Maybe the consequences will hit even close to home.
Your links don’t seem to be accurate in the u.s. I clicked on it and it said 35$ for one piece but didn’t give the option for the second. 35$ for a quality piece is too cheap. It’s not even believable to be honest. I wish I could see accurate pricing and options to but this. From your video, it seems like a quality set up that I will use for many years.
At the end of the video you explained the buying process. I still think this is too cheap to be good but I’m buying it lol.
I've just ordered the set. FYI: This appears to be an exact copy of a one time tool Woodpecker's produced and sold a few years ago. This one is much cheaper.
I’ve bought a few tools recommended by you and they’ve been as good as described but this one I have to say is a big disappointment. The finish is nothing like what you have. The finishing is obviously done down to a budget. Worst of all is the functionality which is very bad. My Bahco chisels can’t be firmly gripped without exerting some considerable force on the knob. Alignment with the gauge is also totally off. No way does the angle match the 27th indicated. Perhaps I got a lemon? But I wouldn’t waste your money on this. Being from Banggood- there’s no chance of a free return so I will be stuck with this.
I should unsubscribe - every time you review China tools I end up spending money :) - great review, thanks Dennis. And yes, I have bought the Moohoo kit
You had me with the first line😀
My comical interaction with Banggood customer service: There is a metal strip that is adhered (contact cement?) to the 'angle fixture". This strip is the contact point for the sharp edge of your chisel or plane blade. Mine had a bubble in it- the strip was adhered with a bubbled spot. Small, but enough to miss-align any blade that contacted it. I requested a return with an explanation and a close up picture of the part. Banggood offered me a dollars worth of 'bonus points' toward my next Banggood purchase! Next email -they offered me $10. USD as compensation! Next email they offered to send a new strip (they called a gasket) so that I could repair the tool at home for them! This is a two week saga so far- no solution yet.
This is a knockoff of woodpeckers sharpening system. I worked at woodpeckers and I know the man that designed this system. Copy an American idea, and they wonder why Americans hate the chinese.
Hi Dennis, you need to stop doing these videos it costing me too much money. 😀
moohoo have coopy the woodpeckers sharping tool.. probably why its such high quality..good for us to be able to buy it cheaper 😀
This system is a total rip off. $50 for just one piece, another $60 for the angle finder. Pass on this, not worth it
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You do realize don't you that these guys (MoHoo) are just totally ripping off this design from the Woodpeckers Sharpening System. You might think again about promoting companies that steal technology from US manufacturers, or that steal design technology from any company worldwide for that matter.
Why don't you try to order the Woodpeckers system and report back on your success. The system was retired last year after its initial limited production run and will likely not be offered again.
Still doesn't justify stealing technology.
Extreme Caution. I oredered it straight away. Their website say i have recieved it 20 days ago. The courier and I say we have never had it. Bangood repeatedly saying its not their problem, go away. Looks like I lost £60 :{
Update -After 2 x 1 hour long live chats and exchanging 40 emails Bangood are sending the order again. Fingers crossed
Sent a second time. Again not received. On both occasions I am supposed to have confirmed delivery. No idea what's going on. Banggood refunded my money. Sadly I have given up trying to buy one