Joel Guy Jr. | Mental Health & Personality
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Too bad his checklist wasn't like, do well in school, apply for job, establish credit, save money, appreciate having a caring family.
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It's the parents faults actually. They spoiled him then when they told him they couldn't anymore (or weren't going to) he snapped in a fit of rage and greed. It's really not the guy's fault but moreso the family's fault. He was a really spoiled kid. Also, I believe he gave in to those sinful feelings of greed. Satan is very real and in this world we live in so it easily is proven in every day life. An existence of forces beyond what we know does exist. It is biblical...we don't fight against flesh and blood but against principalities etc. evil forces are all around us. We are fallen in nature, more evidence of Adam and Eve in the biblical text. To prove this, I can tell you my parents raised me and my sister the same way. My dad worked, payed all the bills, supported his family and my sister and I all the way until he died, which was when I was about 37-38. We both lived at home as we never met anyone until recently. My sister did work but he still supported us all. He didn't want us to go out into the world and get jobs ever. He even didn't want us to go to school (college). He was a mechanic who worked for the county. He retired and we still lived on what he got. When he passed my mom and my sister and I got his pension. It was cut but we still had enough to live somewhat comfortably. I moved out 4 years ago, relocated to be with someone I met and still am not working. I am looking but with no experience, it is hard to find any work at "normal" jobs. I am a musician so I planned a career in that field since a young age. I worked hard every day after school up in my room at guitar 8 hours a day. I got really good at my craft and wanted to go out and make my dream of stardom come true when my parents stopped it. They said it was too dangerous. They basically told me what I wanted to do was a pipe dream. After some time of hearing this, I started to believe what they said so I never went against their word. I was afraid to leave my family, my dog, my house and the comfort of what they provided me. What I'm saying is it's not a kid's fault but the fault of the parents. I nor my sister of course would ever react the way this person did if our parents told us they were no longer supporting us. That's because we're not bad seeds. This guy was a bad seed. Maybe he is sorry for what he did. Only God knows that. What he did was caused by being spoiled, being lost , so relationship with God, no anything spiritual probably, if anything religion was used as their faith. It all stems from those factors and the fact that the devil exists and this is one person who gave into his demons and let greed get the best of him.
He wouldn’t have finished that list either. Guy quit in the middle of disintegrating his parent’s bodies. If that wasn’t a task worthy of seeing through, then it’s likely he gives up on every task and goal prematurely.
Yea save enough to take mom and dad on vacation!
He can now get all the free education he could want.
He just looks so unbelievably like a crazy murderer. In fact, if he was an actor playing a part in a movie as a crazy murderer, everybody would say his appearance was ridiculously over the top.
We must not judge based on looks but yes you are right on the money here. The guy is so mad he forgot to plead madness.
True, he fits a Hollywood stereotype. But always remember, guys like Ted Bundy for away with their crimes for so long because they didn’t fit the stereotype on the surface.
GradKat .theres a tv series. Monty pythons flying circus. Look it up!
@@commonsensibility2051 i'm a big fan of it
Yep, I know we're not supposed to judge a book by it's cover but if one were looking for someone to play the part of a particularly heinous murderer, this guy gets the part, hands down.
I think he specified killing knives so he made sure to get both the knives for killing as well as different knives for the disarticulation of the bodies. It’s clear to me this kid felt he was smarter than everyone else, but his current situation proves otherwise
Hey! I just came back to this video after watching your video today!
@@MystiDawn same! 😦
I know I never really comment but on the off chance you'll read this: thank you so so much for your content! It's amazing and interesting and you're just great! Greetings and love from Germany!
And he was lazy! It’s like the act of killing (and getting hurt in the process) did him in. He just packed it in and left his wannabe-Dexter kit behind.
Brilliant
I'm starting to understand why he was in college for 8 years and counting ...
And he was interested in becoming a plastic surgeon. Not exactly the motivation a surgeon would need.
He was highly intelligent. Just extremely lazy.
@@Lyciversoul3271 High intelligence often means a lack of common sense.
@@kathleenmuchka2559,
@@demonwaterdemonwater4993 what the fuck?
I know the point of "don't judge a book by its cover," but jeez louise, there is something just visually discomfiting about this guy......
you're so eloquent, my reaction was rather vulgar!
The eyes... 😵
Its the eyes man.
He's so young too, I actually gasped when Dr G said he was 28. Holy hell, he's had a hard paper round. Dayum.
@@jonnylumberjack6223 when I saw his picture I thought he was like 40+.
I was really surprised when dr. Grande told his age🤯
Another fascinating analysis, Dr. Grande. Perhaps he should have titled his notebook, "How I intend to supersede Chris Watts as the most inept at covering up a murder."
Just when I thought CW was the biggest monster this guy comes along.
🤣😄😂 I lol'd at this one!
Lawwwd a plastic surgeon? he looks like he eats plastic surgeons
@ Kay Hoover. I couldn't have said it better myself. Sickening.
@@yasmeennasir8286 lmao
“He tried to flee in his two thousand and six Hyundai Sonata.” 😂
😂😂😂
I know I thought that was laughably pathetic too
Lol o it could be worse ..
One of the most reliable cars ever, heck it made the round trip from Baton Rouge and back and probably got over 35 MPG, what more could you ask for.
I knew dr grande was trying to be a savage there Lol
He felt so entitled. Must have believed his parents owed him for breathing.
Well said
My brother at 53 emotionally killed our mother at age 82. She gave him everything until she stopped breathing. He took & took & kept demanding more.
@@ntandosekay Sounds like my uncle. Even when my grandpa was dying of cancer he was conning him out of his money. Leaving no inheritance for my Mum who had to pay out of pocket for my grandpa's palliative home care & really could have used a inheritance to reimburse her for all the money she put out for grandpa's care. He also attacked a man with a wrench once giving him brain damage. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out he was a serial killer or something. He's a total sociopath. Even at 4 years old he spoke about killing someone with a axe. We have no contact with him anymore for obvious reasons.
@@ntandosekay Too bad your mother wasn't more responsible.
From what I read about this case, the mother and father, as well as their other two grown daughters, who were Joel's half sisters, were communicating in person and by texts (family meetings, of which Joel was not a part of) about the fact that Joel was going to be cutoff financially. So, the entire family was aware of this, except Joel. That makes me think there was some kind of fear/trepidation about telling him.
Another interesting thing, how junior communicates with lawers and boyfriend. He is softly spoken, calm, quite, like a little boy. He will smile at them and look in the eyes. Very well adapted socially. Nobody could have guessed he is a monster inside.
YES. !!!! If only they could have known how this would all play out but of course - this is simply unfathomable.
@James Tarantula It's more that he knew HOW to be social and had been taught. He apparently fooled the boyfriend and during the trial he would smile and thank anyone who handed him anything. He also giggled and wrote down things he found funny- like a child. His family had a lot of events and would invite him to join in. He refused and if he was forced to do so, he'd just offer a joyless smile, keep his answers short, not ask any questions, and slink away at the first opportunity.
A few of you mentioned "boyfriend", was he gay? I just don't recall ever hearing he had a relationship with anyone, other than his roommate. He was a loner and antisocial. Any romantic relationship would surprise me. I've only looked at the highlights of this case. It's just so tragic.
@@Stacy- he called his roommate and it let on like it was more of a roommate relationship
His parents told him to stand on his own two feet , and he cut theirs off LITERALLY...thanks DR GRANDE for this analysis
This is one of the saddest cases you’ve reviewed, in my opinion. I am an only child close to Guy’s age, a little older, and so close with both of my parents, who are the same ages, and held the same professions. They’d provided me with support throughout my education, and I don’t know exactly what the state of their finances were, but they went out of their way to help me. I cherished this support and love them unconditionally. I couldn’t imagine hurting them in any way, and when my dad developed cancer, I’d have taken his pain if I could. Guy is a cold and truly evil individual. He was so lucky, since the kind of loving family he had is fairly rare. I lost my dad, and like a child, I still miss him every minute of my life, a year and a half later. This case hits me hard, and I hope he experiences the torture that his parents had experienced at his hands.
Thank you, Dr. Grande, for reviewing this case with compassion, and a little humor. I love your delivery, and appreciate your videos! Thank you!
Thats because they instilled in you communication, accountability and consequences. This turd had none of that. They turned him into a selfish egotistical maniac whose goal in life is never work just take. Who in their right mind pays for NINE YEARS of schooling?!? Sometimes parents make monsters of their children. He prob was a mamas boy. So awful and sad. The hate in his heart is beyond redemption.
I’m not from USA but couldn’t he be given assisted housing as he clearly had issues
- Watch Dr. Grande’s new video
- Laugh at his humor during the part about the notebook the police found
- Once again sit perplexed for a bout 7 minutes that people like this exist in the world.
IKR? I'm sitting there, taking it all in, but feel like there are so many questions that can/will never be answered.
Yeah, he forgot, take the book 😶
Just a reminder, I’m not diagnosing anyone; I’m only speculating about what could be happening in a situation where a parental head is boiling in a pot on the stove for some purpose ... culinary or otherwise
LMAO!!!
@@polarbearsrus6980 thanks :)
The line that got me was “Take this notebook with you.”
SICK! SICK! SICK! 😂😂😂😷Such a horrific crime has no business whatsoever causing humor. But “Damnit!” It also seems to me that if his parents were talking about him “standing on his own two feet,” before he finished medical school, Something was already wrong & they knew it. Either Joel, Jr. didn’t belong in medical school, or there were already doubts about him ever finishing. It’s Dr. Grande’s fault we laughed. 🤥🥰
Haha!
BigZebra ewww
Just looking at him makes me feel something is wrong.
My mother allowed men to molest my sister and I as kids so she could get drugs. She was extremely abusive and even, at age 10, stabbed me in the eye over a hot dog I wasn't hungry to eat. To this day I cannot eat hot dogs from the stove and I'm 43. With that said, I still never ever ever thought of taking her life.. I also went into the field of Forensic Psychology and Applied Behavior because I wanted to know why I didn't turn out like her and why my sister is successful in life she's not a good person but I am and it hurts my soul if I hurt someone's feelings.
What I see that Dr. G doesn't by him writing down kill knives is because in my opinion, it shows he was fantasizing about the killing while writing that list.
@@allie5909 Thank you for that because it is something I struggle with. The why?
@@Swnsasy I think at the end of the day, you cannot be made into a killer. You are or you are not. Doesn't matter what is happening. It doesn't mean that you can't, it just means you have nothing in you that wants to kill on any level. I actually have to euthanize animals sometimes for work, and it is hard to explain, but I am not built for it. It has a massive impact on me, that I can't explain. These are animals who are suffering immensely, afraid and confused. Animals who benefit greatly from going to permanent sleep, rather than dying slowly and painfully. I want those animals to be euthanized and I know that it is the right thing. But that doesn't matter... I am not built for killing. I can only do so many, before I hit a wall, and there is no way I could do it everyday. It is horrendous. I hate hate hate hate it. Honey... you just are not a killer, that's all.
@@Swnsasy I see your heart shape in your name. You are you. Unique with your Own path. I can offer that growing up in a toxic home environment may have forced coping skills that still allow you and sis to be successful/functional.
@@serenity2655 My sister is such a horrible individual though. She has been kicked out of churches because she will have or try to have affairs with a MARRIED PASTOR.. I remember one day she told me the job of a pastors wife and how important it is.. It made me feel like that's all she wanted, importance.. When I got married 6yrs ago, she just told me I'm worthless, I'm a nobody and then tried to turn my 3 adult children against me. Her own two love me, but won't tell her they call me or fly to visit me.. My kids are 25, 21 and 18, none have kids but my niece had her first at 18 and my nephew at 17.. I NEVER EVER EVER said anything about it and was supportive of them, I had my first at 18!!!.. She goes off on me telling me I think my kids are better than hers.. She did the same when I started my Masters degree, she said I think I'm better than her.. I stopped, 1yr away from my PhD in Forensic Psychology and Applied Behavior, still feel like I'm doing something wrong to her. She protected me during that growing up time with our mom.. That's why I don't get why she hates me now..
It hurts me because I just don't think anyone is better than anyone. I just wanted to better my life as a single parent to do better for my kids and make them proud.. My son is a Marine, my middle daughter is getting her degree in Forensic computers and my baby girl just graduated in June and following her big brother to be a marine. I just tried hard is all. My husband treats me like I'm the only woman alive, I don't want her angry at me because I'm happy, I miss her. She just hates me and will never tell me why..
@@Swnsasy You may have answered your why's; your sister provided you with a facet of real love in conjunction receiving the brunt of your mother's abuse and also perhaps she didn't receive love from anyone the way she demonstrated with you...my personal belief is that people given any bit of paternal (esp. rudimentary protective/primal) are leagues ahead than those who were devoid.
Whenever I hear these types of stories my heart always goes out to the first responders/police officers who are the first to arrive at these scenes. Can you imagine the horror? I know that they are trained but I just can’t believe that someone can become completely indifferent to this type of thing.
I couldn't agree more! I would also add the medical examiner who has to do the autopsy. Granted, in this case she had been briefed by the detectives what was coming so she could steel herself in advance, but still.
Yes. The lead detective in the Chris Watts case Dave baumhover had or has ptsd after witnessing the destruction that Chris Watts did. He had full on ptsd for a long time - he would run out of stores or restaurants if he saw little girls, etc. He had Flashbacks. He’s had therapy and is getting much better but he had to quit his job as a detective when he didn’t really want to. This poor man really suffered.
@@MSlushalot it just makes me so mad the destruction that these monsters cause not only to their families but to everyone involved. And while CW did get what he deserved, that detective got what he didn’t deserve. I sincerely hope he somehow recovers from that. And I also hope someone plays “my daddy is a hero” on a loop in CW’s jail cell.
My hubby was a detective for 5 years before going back to patrol. He still talks about some of his murder cases and things he saw. 😥
Let's face it, cops do in the line of their job meet the dregs of humanity.
It's almost like he wanted to get caught, and committed the murders as gruesomely as possible to ensure that he'd go to prison where he wouldn't have to support himself. It could explain why he wrote such obviously incriminating notes in such a child-like way.
I agree. i think mama coddled him because she knew he was "off" in a few departments...while the rest of the family (and apparently most people) distanced themselves from his antisocial and odd behavior. My "official diagnosis"... he was totally f'd in the head and wanted a good excuse to get revenge on all the people he blamed for his misery. He was too chicken to just kill his miserable self , and even plead for the death sentence... IF he was convicted, (duh, how could he not be?) Apparently he couldn't finish anything for himself! So brutally scary all around... you just never know what evil lurks in your proximity!
@@CharGC123 You never know what evil lurks in your proximity if you yourself are creating it. interesting.
I wonder if there was an underlying motive of creating infamy for himself. He would be going from someone who people don't look twice at to someone who will have a Wikipedia page devoted to his crime. He carried a thick folder to court and he would add handwritten notes he made during trial. Could he be looking to write a book?
he had gone to the store because he cut himself during the crimes ...he was headed back to the house ( but someone had called in a well check and when he got back the had tape all around the house) to finish his clean up and blow up/set the house on fire I think he thought he could get away w/it ......he was not the brightest light bulb in the house
@@CharGC123 good post.. I think these murders were as much a rage act against his half sisters(who he was disconnected from) as it was towards his parents... At least that was part of the motive.
So glad you covered this. I followed the trial and just horrified by this crime.
My 1st time hearing this case and im horrified and disgusted. The parents were so kind and generous to there leach of a son and this is what they get in return ? Hearing the mother worked so she could give money to the son is sad.😪 the son disrespecting there bodies after death in such a heinous manner makes me think he's a psychopath. I just removed my screen because a huge spider was stuck couldn't escape.i just cannot imagine. Rip 🙏
@@LCx829 wow you’ve so much empathy tell me more
@@t-man5196 stfu 🙄
Same here. I just cannot come to believe how you could kill your parents over this and the way he did it.. He didn't want to work hard, he wanted to be a leech.. There was another one that I saw, type in sin kills parents over a bottle of wine.. So horrific. The he got is disgusting and he gets his inheritance.. Australia I think it's from.
I was horrified as well. This man murdered his parents, messed with their bodies and showed no remorse or empathy for what he did and had the nerve to think he could get away with it. Karna is a b**tch. I'm glad he's paying the price
"It's like he believed when he was ready to commit the homicide, he would find himself with a butter knife in his hand and say 'Darn, why didn't I specify a _killing_ knife...??'" 😂
That laughing emoji is so distasteful, given the gruesome crimes he committed against his parents.
@@TruCrimeQueen ...you can't be serious lol.
If it wasn't intended to be funny, he wouldn't have made the comment. It was a joke. Lots of people laughed. You think every single person in the comments section who reacted is indifferent to the crime? Give me a break lol gtfo of here with your faux outrage.
😂
Kitty Cat - the doctor was making the joke
@@TruCrimeQueen the commentary was hilariously mocking the son’s stupidity. I guess he isn’t the only stupid one
I guess serrated ? The killer was a yutz bro smh
I'm not gonna lie, this is one of the reasons I chose not to have children - I was afraid I'd get one like this. Since I found out when I was 42 that I have bipolar disorder as well as several other comorbid mood disorders, I'm glad I skipped it. There's no way I'd want to give my mental shit to another being.
Author Lionel Shriver wrote a brilliant book about this called 'We Need to Talk About Kevin'. She chose to stay childless. She likened the decision to have children to quote: "Leaving your front door open... You never know who is going to walk in".
Same. I can relate to your net name. MyBrainEats Everything. Damn if it sometimes doesn't feel like that.
@@vaquera9368 Good on them! I just didn't think I would be one of them. Not everyone is made to have children. In fact, some people should not.
@@mybraineatseverything7404 I think you made the right decision!
You speak the truth. I've lived with depression for decades, and my mother and her sisters were "high-strung". I saw the writing on the wall, and had surgery to prevent any "oopsies" years ago. Best to let the line die out.
At least now he is set for life !!! No need to worry about money anymore. I guess he achieved his goal !
It's like that one episode of Ren and Stimpy, where they knock over a bank and commit a bunch of petty crimes so they can go to jail.
I think he has a big shock in store when he realises he killed the only two people in the world who cared deeply for him, and were always in his corner. In jail he will soon realise no one cares if he lives or dies - and many will want him dead. He's no totally alone, through his own dumb choices. For an extreme narcissist like him, that will be tough.
It's ironic that, because he'd never worked and didn't know the value of money, he assumed $500k life insurance would be enough for him to live on for the rest of his life. If he lived to be 80, it only represents $10,000 a year - and he's used to a far better lifestyle than that! And in fact, had he got away with the murders, I reckon he'd have burned through that cash within 5 years tops - and then been penniless, without his mum and dad to help him. He's a pathetic, useless man-child, but his parents played a big role in making him so. Who pays all the bills of their adult child, so he can stay in college for NINE YEARS??? Crazy.
I had the same thought. I think he's rather pleased actually (until they want him to do something he doesn't want to do).
Yeah but now us poor tax payers foot the bill
Its over. ..if they put him in general population...he gone .dey gunna split his wig in dar to pieces
This guys actions were terrible. He killed his own parents over ending his allowance and now he's facing punishment. This guy is screwed in the head.
It's sickening. Absolutely sickening.
Killers of all types are f**ked in the head.
I'm so sorry for the parents 😔 they were just about to start enjoying their retirement or at least slow down a bit and start doing things they dreamed about doing during their working life. And then your only child, your own blood, whom you always treated right, gets worried about his bank account and his easy money and decides they have to die. And just killing wasn't enough for him, he had to butcher their bodies too🤯 All because he's a greedy, selfish, self centered a**hole!!!🤬
Wauw this case really pisses me off!!
It's ironic because he wanted to be taken care of and now he is. He gets free room and board, free meals, water, tv, air condition, free health care and dental care. He is set for life.
(No wonder prisons and jails are overflowing with criminals. They get taken care of by killing someone. What a message !!)
Ya think?
Clearly this guy has “crazy eyes”, why was this not mentioned?
@Smiling While Thriving that you know of...
“Take book with you” HAHAHA LOL SAVAGE. Love your videos
I was cracking up. Dr Grande is hilarious 😂
I was hoping you'd look at this case ! Absolutely horrific, chilling
But what analysis was there?
That's proof of what the devil does to people and when they don't have a relationship with their Creator what it does.
@@mariebernier3076 He was spoiled
@@danilaird8360 That just might explain so many people that express: "I don't know why I did it (or do it). But I *can't* stop. It's just too overpowering". One has to wonder just what is it that's "overpowering their thoughts and actions"
(Unrelated to the video) I’d love if you could do a video on body dysmorphic disorder, I feel like it’s not talked about enough. Thank you for being you!
Great idea since its such a common disorder.
@@LCx829 American Journal of Psychiatry, as well as other respected medical journals document more than 10 million people who struggle with BDD in the U.S. alone. And that number is believed to be greatly underreported. Suicide ideation and attempted suicides for BDD are incredibly high and well documented and the prevalence of BDD is increasing worldwide. It is a subject worth Dr. Grande's analysis, well, at least to BDD sufferers and their friends and families who care about them.
Great idea! Because I think there is more of this than people realize. I believe a lot of people who want or have a sex change really suffer from body dysmorphia, and should be counselled in that manner.
I know a few people who have had sex change operations and not all of them were happy with the result even if they don't admit it very freely. It's like you can just tell they are still not comfortable in their own skin even after the change. Of course this is not true for every transgender person, but I think the percentage is larger than people realize.
And before y'all go nuts calling me names about being a transgender hater, you couldn't be more wrong. I have a niece who felt safe enough with me to come out as both transgender and bisexual. She has not even told her mom, and they are very close and my sister is also a non-judgmental person. I think she has one friend who knows. She has asked me to keep the secret until she can come out at age 18, and I gladly do so. if she finds she has no support anywhere else, I will gladly take her to any appointments she needs. She has told me she has no desire to alter her body, but if she did, I would be by her side to offer support and advice every step of the way. She's a super smart kid, she is aware of all the dangers and has absolutely no desire to put herself in such a position. But the fact that she feels basically fluid gender and fluid sexuality is going to be a big enough problem with our straight laced family; she is going to need a strong supporter and she has an auntie who will stand by her choices because I know she has made them intelligently and thoughtfully.
When Dr. G mentions the name and model of his car....I lost it😆 The details👍
I was so excited to see you were doing this case! I’m one of the ones who requested it. This guy has no empathy. I thought that meant psychopath or sociopath? But he was definitely in love with his roommate. I couldn’t believe he had the nerve to try to blame his parents and say how they ‘never came to visit him’...meanwhile the truth was he had insisted that no one at home be told his address or contact info.
Pretty sure he was trying to cover up the nature of his relationship with his roommate. That’s sad.
It seems, from several of the mug shots of the murderers you covered, that a hugely wide eyed person should be dealt with very cautiously. 😳
@Realism I I wonder if they had it before they were caught?
Lmao
@Realism I Probably, I guess family doesn't notice.
@heartfulenergy 😉
They are very un nerving eyes. If you saw him walking towards you, at night & you were alone , you'd cross over & pretend to make a call so he thinks someone's on the other end & doesn't see you as vulnerable.
This guy is pure evil,I could not believe what this monster did!
Agree...evil sums it up... that’s my assessment
Mfer is evil!
People often like to focus on the actions and not the trigger.
Anyway nothing justifies killing!
Also, humans are hypocrites. I hate it here.
I knew that he killed them over something dumb. Smh.
Yikes! This is why it’s so important for families to address mental health issues. Many times family members say things like oh that’s just how he is or that’s just how she is when there are warning signs of emotional / behavioral problems.
Absolutely agreed!
This is why it's so important for families to teach their children personal responsibility and to not coddle them. They manufactured a sociopath.
@@logfog no they didn't. Your family can give you advantages or disadvantages in life but they don't create your core personality. We are all born individuals. Even identical twins have differences in their personalities
@@uyoebyik families can have immense effects on personality, it’s very prevent on how many children will kill their parents over money or being cut off.
Part is nature part is nurture. Had he not been overly doted on… with his natural propensity to be lazy and withdrawn, he wouldn’t have expected it, could have ended up differently
Um, there's nothing in this case that makes me think the parents did anything wrong or that they were in any way to blame for this sick child they raised.
In general, it's pretty common to have a kid who's kind of a loser, kind of going nowhere in life, mooches off the parents and there's no reason to worry that that kid is going to physically harm anyone.
People like you just want to pretend that there's any way to control for things like this. The scary truth is that some people are born evil and there's nothing for it.
This analysis is brilliant. Balanced. It is perplexing to speculate on his motivation. He was treated well, supported, encouraged, but hurt the people who loved him most with ruthless indifference simply to take their belongings. Horrific. Truly.
This case was devastating to the family. I frwrd’d thru the details but I got the picture. I was secretly hoping you’d analyze this one but it’s so salacious, overkill...then the notebook and bizarre courtroom behavior of jr. it seemed he was fascinated with his “work” and was enjoying the family seeing it too.
I watched every bit of the impact statements. I was never moved so deeply by such powerfully articulated outpouring of grief. Much respect for their bravery. They had to have been completely drained after all of that. And to have handled the sensationalism with such grace is admirable in my opinion.
Although money was considered the motive, I suspect there was emotional problems here. The number of stab wounds seems excessive
My thoughts exactly. He had to be saturated with hate to stab any person, let alone his father, 42 times!
I agree I think this family was or are emotionally cold, most families are. I heard a theory that said entitlement encourage hostility.
He seems to me to be on the spectrum. The way he behaves in court, writing this dumb journal. It's interesting how the only time he acted emotional was when faced with friend of his
@@ksta1996 Perhaps his friend was the only person who bonded with him emotionally. We shed tears for people who touch us deeply emotionally speaking.
I would say that he had severe emotional problems. If a normal person was going to try and get money from their parents they would not use this method!
Chris Watts: I got caught via my own hubris.
Joel Guy Jr.: Hold my beer.
Hold my drunk-driving alcohol.
Hold my killing-plan-killer-notebook
Like he planned to get caught for just this reason.
I never clicked on a video so fast...I watched this guy’s trial, and he’s INSANE.
I should definitely feel more guilty for laughing at "Get killing knives"...
I will, as soon as I come up for air 😂
And the Dr replies to a laughing emoji on this comment? Just, wow. I hope this never happens to anyone’s parents.
@@TruCrimeQueen what on earth is your agenda here? Is this seriously how you spend your free time?
@@TruCrimeQueen GROW. UP.
When you deal with evil. You get a dark sense of humor. I once work at a world famous law enforcement agency. I’ve met people from cartels killers to a man who kill his father and ate part of his penis.
I'm so glad he never graduated. I can only imagine what he might have done to the occasional patient.
pulverize accident... oops
I hope it had insurance/life insurance...
You're almost at a half million subscribers Dr. Grande! So happy for you!
Thank you so much for covering this case! This is so interesting, it’s so hard to understand how people can do such horrible things.
Joel Guy Jr is incredibly perplexing. The fact that the first thing he did was pay off his apartment and his college tuition for several months seemed odd, though I suppose he could have mentally twisted that into an alibi of sorts ("Why would I kill her? She just paid all of this stuff for me.")
There was a call played during the trial between him and his "best friend" wherein he spoke calmly but his words were remarkably histrionic.
I just feel like there's something more to his personality that we don't know. (Which is fine as it doesn't appear relevant to the case. It just makes my brain itch not being able to see part of the puzzle that is his personality. 🤷♀️)
I agree I wish his roommate and best friend and family would she light on his characteristics.
Clearly there's a lot more going on. So many people assume he just "snapped" (whatever that means) but I'm sure if we knew the details of his early life and could witness some of his past behaviors, it would be very illuminating. I'm sure there's more to his parents than what is being said as well
The day after the murders he used his dead mother's credit card to pay off several months rent on his college apartment, plus tuition fees. This was because he knew he'd have to wait for the $500,000 life insurance pay out he expected to get from the murders, and he wanted to know his bills were paid up for some time in advance to take the pressure off himself while waiting for that cash. God forbid he should get evicted from his accommodation, or have to - shock, horror - have to wait tables to support himself, like other students!
I wish someone would interview him.
I think he was in romantic love with his only friend (who was just kind but likely had no idea of Guy’s attraction to him)
I remember when I was taking my first programming course in high school, they had us write down real life actions in pseudocode. So if I wanted to make a sandwich, I'd write something like "get plate, open bag of bread, take 2 bread slices, put 2 bread slices on plate, etc." This is really hitting close to home.
Thank you for doing this video and giving your professional insight on this case Dr. Grande!
Thank you so much for answering to my question Dr. Grande! I truly appreciate it.
"Get drunk driving alcohol..." I'm imaging going into a liquor store and seeing a sign for "Drunk Driving Alcohol" in one aisle and "Drink Responsibly Alcohol" in the other. Also, "Take this book with you." Love it!
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When he said "Take this book with you" it made me laugh LOL..
Me too🤣🤣🤣🤣
Too lazy to take care of himself... but could put all the effort in getting himself behind bars and humiliated after having enough energy to desecrate his parents.
Killing a person is bad enough but killing your own parents and then desecration of the bodies shows evil beyond all limits.
At least he has room and board now!
@@justatexasgirl5583 perhaps that was his goal.
Just like my cousin. 50 yrs old, living and using my grandmother. I saw him in her bed. I asked why, he said her tv is better. I'm like get your own place. I want to ask this dr, wth is wrong with my cousin mentally. He doesn't take out her trash and he's dl gay. I think he wants my grandmother sick. Be with men all night, get in grandma bed during day. He wants her to bring food to him on a plate in her room. I low key hate him. She's 85. Doesn't but her groceries. Buys groceries and take them to work. Tells her he didn't get paid. He knows that I see through his bs. My grandmother says he has no place to go. So what grandma. She's too sweet.
And... why in the hell did he boil his mom's head on the stove for day's? What is the purpose of that?
@@Stacy- Sometimes it's better that we don't understand. Evil doesn't always follow a logical path.
I was waiting for your video on this one doc!💚 And as always, you're awesome😘😘😘
Dr. Grande, whenever there's a new video over on That Chapter, I check here to see if you've analyzed the case. It's always fascinating to see what you have to add. Thank you! ♥️🍍
Ahahaha, I do the same. Mike and dr. Grande shoul make a video together!
Hey awesome thanks for doing this one ! I requested this ! I very much appreciate your videos and learn a lot and also in the mental health field and appreciate your thoughts.
Is there a connection between wide open eyes and mental instability or is it just a coincidence?
I would like to know this too 🙂
Yes they can look very scary.. some meds and offcourse drugs can give you those eye's and scary looks
It seems to be a response to trauma. In the same way victims of shellshock / PTSD developed a 1000 yard stare after experiencing combat. I imagine his arrest, the murders, destroying the bodies, etc was taking a huge psychological toll on him.
Just pure satanic evil
Sanpaku eyes it's called
There was a satisfying bite to this review. It certainly helps with my nausea when I think of such horrific events, so I thank you.
thank you so much for making a video on this case!
Wow. I watched the trial. This is going to be another great analysis for sure.
The trial was one of the worst I've watched as a trial watcher. I thought the Chris Watts case was bad but wow..
@@soniauk4284 Yes, it was difficult to observe his coldness and hear the horrific details. The Timothy Jones Jr. trial last year was the most difficult to endure for me.
dr grande always uploads right as i finish reading for the night. i love it
A new subscriber. Your content is refreshing and insightful. Thank you for sharing your expertise 💕
There is a lot more to this case that the public will never know.
Dude!! I’ve been waiting for this one, thank you. Let me start by saying that I am in Northern California and was panic digging a 5’ wide fire break around my house (alone) when the GUY case was being broadcast live from the courtroom... and I listened to it all as I dug. For three days I listened to the incredible details of this case from the first responders to the investigation, forensics and witnesses, I heard it all. Two things stuck out, ...one...he fled the scene before his work was done. He had the meat grinder, he had the materials and plans ready, he hadn’t removed the trash, he left a half smoked joint in the bathroom and most importantly, his notebook detailing the murder plan was left behind. I think the mother’s co-worker called in a wellness check way too soon and threw his plan completely off.
The second most dramatic point was the only time we heard Guy’s voice, as he did not testify. A recorded phone call from jail between him and his only friend/long time room mate was, in my opinion, most revealing. He says “I had one small chance at happiness and I fucked it up” as he encouraged his friend to move on with his life and forget about him. A deep bond was obvious, the genuineness of their connection was more than roommates. I believe the money was not exactly why this murder took place. I have no proof and the prosecution did not even hint at homosexuality because it may not have even been recognized by Guy at all, I’m going on is a compassionate perspective trying to understand this persons crime.
I wish all beings be free from suffering, and are filled with love and light.
Best wishes, friends. “Know Thy Self” as the prophets said. 💕
Thank you for covering this. This case was deeply disturbing.
I love your dry humor. Thank you for all the work you put into your videos.
Oh!!! I have been waiting for this one!!! Thank you!
Writer David Foster Wallace was problematic w his gfs like stalking them etc and had addiction issues and other mental health issues. I just went by the house where he died in Claremont today. He might be a good topic for analysis. It’s sad
I don't know this person. What's the story?
Great suggestion!!!! Infinite Jest 🌟
@@georgehasleftthebuilding6621 yes, i have heard about his books. But what makes "him" special? If a homeless person ends their life, why don't ppl weep and call it the tragedy that it is?.. I mean no disrespect or harm. I'm simply angry at the way society values a person(s)... Who gets to say that 1 life is valuable while the other is not? Who gets to call suicide tragedy when committed by 1 person but not many others?(simply thinking out loud)😞
@@violetlove1893 uummm, I didn't say he was particularly special. Never said one life is more important(?) n did i really say anything about the book. You're kinda reaching a little bit far here to make something outta nothing but I see your point. It kinda doesn't apply here though, i assure you.
@@georgehasleftthebuilding6621 just thinking aloud. Not trying to incite anger or disagreement. Simply thinking aloud
I wonder when the Netflix interviews and documentary will come out?
Moral: Do not continue supporting your child financially until he is 28 years old when it is obvious that he lacks motivation to do anything with his education or life. And in Joel Guy's case, by this time it had become too "traumatic and "inconceivable" for him to accept his parents' decision to stop doing so!!
Um... pretty sure that's not the issue here.
They trained him to be incompetent and then planned to suddenly stop supporting him. He never had a chance at a normal life.
@@TheNunududu what, prey tell, is the issue
@@kevinhornbuckle During the trial facts were brought out that the Mom only worked to support him. And she was looking for another job at the new location. He wasn't going to be cut off.
Kris Craft He wasn’t going to be cut off, but he did not know that he wasn’t. He believed he was. His father planned for his wife to not work so that they could enjoy their retirement. It was not made clear in the trial if the husband knew his wife had been looking for a job in the new location. The conflict between the parents was substantial and not new, and not without consequence for their son.
Nice work doc! Jus got finished watching the trial. Unbelievable!
Oooh thank you for this one, Dr. Grande! I was hoping you'd cover it. I watched his recent trial. Very chilling. He was so sloppy (leaving so much evidence behind) and him asking for the death penalty if found guilty make me think he just didn't really care about his own life much. But maybe the death penalty request was a ruse. Have a great weekend!
I would love to hear your take on The mysterious case of Sherri Papini.
Yes good one!
I studied psychology in college many years ago, and so much more is known today than when I was in school. Thank you for your insight, Dr. Grande. Your videos take me back to my days of sitting in various lectures and being fascinated at the intricacies of the human psyche.
Love your deadpan approach... good work!
I think he could have been the scapegoated child of narcissistic parent(s). This could have made him narcissistic himself. Him wanting to go to boarding school rather than live with his parents says a lot to me. I am the child of a narcissist myself and BEGGED to go to boarding school to avoid the abuse and neglect that occurred behind closed doors. I know from personal experience that narcissist parents will purposefully keep their children under their control by keeping them financially dependent and not teaching them the life skills needed to achieve independence. I am not making excuses for his actions, this is just my perspective on what could have motivated him. He may have felt that he lacked the ability to be independent and felt fear, abandonment, and anger that manifested into this evil course of action.
a very good and plausible factor in all this. Thank you for posting, I hadn't thought of it. I hope you are doing well in your relationship. No contact is a blessing :) But the having to build yourself from scratch is really hard. I wish you well!
"sounds like something a child would say, not a 28-year-old"
Yes, thank you. Every time I read/hear that bit about "I get the whole thing" / "all mine", I have the same thought, and I've not heard anyone else address it.
Very enlightening Dr Grande!! I respect your videos and I think your awesome. Wish I was like Dr Grande
This guy scares me. Surely someone noticed his bizarre behavior before this horrific crime.
His boyfriend said he wasn’t surprised that he murdered his parents in the court room phone call. His boyfriend definitely knew Joel Guy Jr. was a violent person.
This story and analysis was very interesting and worth the time.
Note to self: have no kids or insurance $$ die broke.👍Thanks for upload Doc😕😀👍
The humor......just ...I have no words. Dr. Grande, you sure know how to make something so tragic contain bits that are SO HILARIOUS! Another great VIDEO
This guy....I just don't know. I feel so bad for the family. As always, love your content, Dr. Grande! Super close to 500k - you deserve it!
Dr. Grande, I hoped you might cover this case. I watched the trial and my brain honestly can't compute how someone could do this to a person, to their parents no less!
What's the story with the "crazy eyes"? Just like Adam Lanza.
And James Holmes who shot up the movie theater in Colorado
@@yviesunshine8176 Yes, he had the Eyes too.
@Bebekongo bebe Have you ever seen a female Aspie with the crazy eyes? I bet not. I think it's because boys aren't raised to think that they have to appear pleasing to other people, and girls are. This is why female autistics aren't diagnosed. They don't appear selfish, obnoxious, violent, sexually aggressive, etc the way the boys do. They are just called librarians or cat ladies.
@Bebekongo bebe you are absolutly right. Tjeck out “Angela Simpson” or “Mary Bell”, they are just two exsamples of women/girls with Thise eyes
@Bebekongo bebe There are no women Adam Lanzas.
I love this channel. You’re amazing!
Thank you.I asked for this video. I follow you from Romania and i think you are great!
Love the channel Doctor.
Would love to see a video on:
Chris Benoit
Tony Soprano
Budd Dwyer
L.Ron Hubbard
Chris Benoit was father of the year
Budd Dwyer for sure!!
He did one a couple of months ago on L Ron Hubbard. It’s good.
Feelin particularly witty today are we, Todd?😏
Brilliant video as always. I love your ability to let your personality shine through without detracting from the horror and psychopathy of the case👏🏾
Just found this channel and have subscribed. Looking forward to watching all your videos. Keep them coming. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Love your videos! A lot of good information delivered in a calm way with a sense of humor. You should really teach forensic psychology, you’d be a great professor!
Whelp, I guess he has free room and board now 🤷
Omg, I’m from Knoxville and thinking about this case happening so near to where I live makes me sick. That poor couple.
Awesome analysis. Thank you Dr. Grande.
So disturbing this story. As always thanks Dr. Grande I enjoy your videos. Maybe put some insight on these sad horrible cases.
Did you listen to the phone call between Guy Jr and his roommate/ boyfriend? Very interesting. He did have some kind of an emotional attachment to that man and he said he thought his plan was the solution to their happiness. Thanks for doing this case, although there’s not much detail about his background.
That is very interesting.
I think his parents knew he was weird from a young age, but rather than face it and get him psychiatric help, they were in denial, told him he was special and treated him as such. He grew up believing it - and became dangerously entitled. If there is anyone alive who knows the realities of his childhood, I wouldn't be surprised if it featured some really disturbing behaviour that should have rung alarm bells, eg deliberate toileting 'mishaps' and cruelty to animals.
I think they threw money at the problem, believing they were protecting him by paying all his bills and keeping him at college all through his twenties. But that isn't good for any child, as it stops them maturing and learning the life skills we all need to get on with others and negotiate the adult world of work.
Obviously the Guys could not support him forever! When they belatedly stopped his funding, 10 years after they should have done, he was ill equipped to cope. They had removed his need to earn a living, so he'd never even had a part time job! it's doubtful he could envisage holding down a job and living independently - and it seems that must have been his parents view of him.
The violence he showed them before and after death showed huge rage. I think he wound up resenting all the support they gave him, which ultimately didn't help him to develop as a man, but kept him dependant on them. They didn't deserve to be murdered, but their poor parenting did play a part in moulding the monster he became. As the saying goes: 'No good deed goes unpunished'.
@@glamdolly30 Enablement is not a good deed.
@@SethMethCS It certainly isn't.
It's surprising how often enabling parents figure in a killer's life story.
“Take this book with you would have been appropriate “😂😂😂😂😂
Lol, IKR?!
Mf so stupid lol the plan he listed 🤣 sound dumb asl too
What an out-there story! Your analysis of his lists is interesting. His "killing" vocabulary and awkward reminders are acrobatically short-sighted, and your delivery is impeccable.
No words. No words. How does someone become like this!?!?!?!
Dr Grande, how can you say he's a disorganized killer??? He made a plan and everything! 😂
Haha
But it was a crappy plan!
There was a plan, but he didn’t follow through on it. As with everything else in his life.
Disorganized is another term for sloppy. The killer left an abundance of evidence in which to be found guilty of the crimes.
He didn't follow through and complete his crappy, disorganized plan.
Thank you for covering this case! One thing that stood out to me while watching the trial was his lack of emotion or response to testimony. When they showed the body camera footage of the crime scene being discovered, he simply looked interested. And his book of premeditation is just unbelievable. Such a tragic and strange case.
I agree with your description of “strange and tragic case.” May the parents Rest In Peace.
Another excellent analysis, thank you Dr. Grande :)
Thank you! I commented this case on one of your videos so this video made my day. 🙂
I also lived in Knoxville back in 2011 so I’m wondering if I ever came in contact with this guy.
I'm only just hearing of this case as I watch this video, so mine is by no means an informed opinion, but the fact that he stabbed both parents many more times than was necessary to kill them indicates to me that he was motivated by rage. I get that his parents appeared to have treated him very well, but he may not have perceived it that way, and who knows, maybe there was abuse that we don't know about.
I don’t think the parenthetical “all goes to me!” bit was strange at all. It’s basically someone journaling and speaking to themselves or making an exclamation. Seems pretty normal to me. Of all the weird stuff he wrote, that is the least weird or questionable.
The for covering this case, so disturbing. Your regular uploads are very much appreciated
Great Channel Dr.Grande 🎬