Two Women Killed During Race Up Shishapangma to Claim Meaningless Title | Gutu & Rzucidlo Analysis
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Ego is your deadliest enemy in mountaineering.
Ego is your deadliest enemy in life.
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@@wanya_telborn Disagree.
@@bitbracePride comes before the fall.
@@bitbrace Complete loss of ego is just as dangerous.
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I had to replay that part! lol
I love this man's sense of humor!
The good Dr. Is sneaky funny.
We can always expect the unexpected brilliant but usually subtle comment.
Anna to Gina in the afterlife:
“First!”
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@@moshebenamram6020 Go cry about it
It seems the qualifications for being a famous mountain climber are money, privilege, narcissism, and more money.
what's privilege? Their paretns worked hard or their parter is wealthy? do you even know what privilege mens or is it ust another way the left has desrroyed the meaning of a word?
Sadly
What's the privilege?
@@mason4354 According to Urban Dictionary, privilege is the belief that members of particular groups, sexualities, genders, sexes, races, etc. are afforded advantages in society for being a member of said group.
The term was popularized by the regressive left and is generally used as an easy button to shut down discussions/arguments and blame others for one's own shortcomings. Achievements earned by others through hard work are dismissed as just further evidence of their privilege.
By accepting this philosophy, believers in this religion create a world where all their failures are the fault of someone else, and all the successes of others are because they possessed some inherit unfair advantage.
Bill: I can't get a decent job, I'm fat because of poor genetics, and I'm poor because of institutionalized racism. I wish I had your privilege John.
John: So your decision to screw off in school, constantly eat junk food, knock up your ex who you now have to pay child support to has nothing to do with your current situation?
Bill: John you seriously need to check your privilege.
The regressive left is a term coined by anti-extremist activist Maajid Nawaz, to describe far left zealots who defend and support extremist ideologies, cultural and religious relativity and pander to absurd sensitivities. You'll often find these SJW type plonkers screaming racist or bigot at anybody who dares challenge their one size fits all view of the world.
@@mason4354it may be having the backing and security to be able to take on the endeavor.
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@@edenstanding8676 LMAO ; there's this you tuber matt walsh who does hilarious reviews of rap videos with a straight face like dr grande
How privileged to fight over something so stupid
For real
Sad
😂😂😂 "privilege" 🤣🤣🤣🤣 that's ridiculous!! It's called ego and feminism. Don't be jealous of the rich it's not the right way friend ❤
@@charliechurch5004aren’t you a poor yourself?
@@charliechurch5004You bring up feminism as if it bestowed a privilege on these women. Nice own goal
The great irony is that if one had chosen to cautiously await the weather, she would have reached the goal.
And I the one had gone to help the other after the avalanche she may have won as well.
When game theory and zen become one.
I find it hard to pity people with wild egos & a desire to chase clout via incessant social media posts & antics...
And risk the lives of others while they’re doing it!
You're not alone. Remember when that youtube prankster was messing with a stranger and got shot in the belly? Everyone thought he had it coming. I've never seen such uniformity of opinion on the internet.
As a lifelong mountaineer this story is bizarre:
-The amount of money involved was enormous.
-Neither woman was what would be considered a "serious" mountaineer. They were mountain tourists.
-The amount of discomfort, pain, and fatigue they endured to reach the summits of these peaks, all for instagram fame, was enormous, and baffling.
As for summit races, they go back to the beginning of alpinism: Edward Whymper was involved in a very similar race to the summit of the Matterhorn in 1864. He beat the group from the Italian side by mere hours. Part of his group perished on the descent.
“Instagram fame” - pretty much sums it all up.
Can you Tell me what serious mountaineers and tourists divide? I am Not an english native, sorry
@@FloKarlos-dj7nb Good question.
@@FloKarlos-dj7nb Mountain tourists are poor people who can't afford gear or to pay for sherpas. You can very easily recognize on the mountain as they look sad and too exhausted to carry all their stuff.
Yes, mountaineering (like all world sports) has turned into some kind of circus or reality show! In order for one fool from Instagram to set another ridiculous record, dozens of people work and risk their lives - real professionals pave their way in the snow, hang ropes, make crevasse crossings and much more, Sherpas lift hundreds of kilograms of equipment and equipment, set camps and cook food (it's amazing that no one has yet dragged a chef from a restaurant to Everest with Michelin stars), helicopter pilots throw them as high as possible, and then the whole crowd saves these idiots risking their lives, because the fools got into trouble playing climbers!!!
The first American woman, under the age of 50, less than 5'4", who has a birth month with 30 days. Such obscure metrics
Yeah, in this pseudo mountaineering they are making up stupid stuff now. The few records that "matter" are long gone, so they are saying things like "first cellphone call on mount everest". Arbitrary and meaningless but they can feel special.
It get's ridiculous doesn't it. Guinness book of records has so many ridiculous categories. Sensible categories are important. But society has categorised people into ever smaller and obscure categories.
Anna & Gina- "We will conquer you, Shishapangma!"
Shishapangma- *shrugs*
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Shishapangma- "You don't conquer me, you just survive me, if I let you."
OMG that flow came out of NOWHERE
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Ikr!?! 😮
Go stros 🤘🏽
Why are some people obsessed with fringe activities where they can appear to excel absent competition? Years ago my daughter asked me to enter a mother daughter baking contest at the fair. I don’t like to cook and bake but we put a recipe together and entered. When we got to the fair there was only one other girl in Lori’s age group. Would you believe we lost? Maybe we can try mountain climbing next
Oh, you seem like a really funny person!
Second place is nothing to sneeze at.
I guess these women won't have to worry about that 14 - peaks title anymore
and high heeled shoes and skin tight pants and hair does.
“Spent the night thinking about hiring the expensive guide”
Nah, she had to call a sugardaddy
bingo
you bet, maybe they both had the same Daddy too
Their egos were bigger than the mountains
You’re on fire Dr. Grande!
Pride comes before a fall..
Cometh*
@@Broken_robot1986 Goeth
@@jasonbender2459 stayeth
@@adotintheshark4848 KJV Pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.
I thought of Dooku when I saw this story. "Double the pride, double the fall"
Having covered this story shortly after the avoidable disaster took place, many surmised this was a story merely pitting women against each other. I’m pleased that Todd has gone mainstream with it. The wrath of giant mountains cares not for gender…and punishes any individual motivated by blind ambition, regardless of gender. In this era of overt commercialization these stories will unfortunately become all too common.
Loved your own video on the story. Are you the only one to bring up the question that they themselves may have triggered the avalanche?
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You have a great channel, thanks for all your videos.
regardless of gender? You also mean age, culture, country.
Dammit Thom he's a doctor, not just some lamestream guy named Todd. lol😉
Never been the first here before. Thank you Dr. Grande for your work!.
His videos are catchy. No doubt about that
calm down, he's married
@falxnecis haha good roast on me! I'm married though, I just like the consistency and quality of Dr. Grande's posts. And the dry humor!
Behind every so called famous mountaineer is a long list of sherpas that carry all their gear and have already climbed these peaks multiple times on their own(sherpas don't need sherpas). The sad truth is that these two women most likely manipulated a long list of men to pay for their selfish endeavors.
What people do not realize is that competition has no end. What are all these toxic competitions for?
😂😂😂😂😂 I never know 💭
It's not even a competition. Why the 14 tallest peaks? How about 15 or 20 lol? The idea of being the first American woman to climb the 14 peaks was grandiose in their head but in reality there was no trophy for it. I bet 99% of Americans can't name the first person to climb everest, yet somehow these two thought they'd be relished for the accomplishment.
@@NealBurkard-ut1ooedmund hilary wasnt it?
@@NealBurkard-ut1ooBecause these are the only peaks over 8000 metres in the world.
@@jhoughjr1 Yes a NZer 😀. And a guide Teng sing Nugay (excuse spelling!)
The issue of funding is interesting. Some people fund these sorts of things by blogging; others by activities they don't want to talk about.
I think Dr. Grande settled the Kendrick - Drake beef.
Todd for the win
Perfect example of the adage: "More money than sense."
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It was the sugar daddy's money
What a sad story of unchecked ambition/ego
And money
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I've never understood why the sherpas are treated like children who have no agency. They know the risks better than tourists and can say no.
We can call the westerner stupid but never them
Technically they can say no but can they really? The tourists are the people who pay the bills. It’s not about treating anyone like children, but rather acknowledging that typically the tourists are people with more money than sense and meanwhile the Sherpas are not in that position. They cannot risk losing their position as guide because that could be the difference between poverty and not poverty for their family
Who treats them like children? It's the wealthy westerners that treat them like they don't exist, as if they are not the actually talented people while the tourists are only that, tourists.
@@Cream147player But, they DID lose their position.
For the sherpas it's about money then prestige, for the climbers it's about ego, prestige then money.
@@Cream147player What did they do before they became Sherpas? Anything would be better then having to spend that much time with either woman.
I watch a lot of videos on mountain climbing, and props to Dr Grande for his pronunciation of the names of those mountains.
Dr. Grande's coverage of these climbs is improving markedly, and he probably knows the difference between crampons and microspikes.
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Hearing Dr.Grande say 'talk smack' is both wholesome & gangsta 😅
The new Dr. Suess.
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I stopped climbing in 2010..after first encountering unsuitably attired and equipped clueless lycra clad muppets..filming themselves sprawling on the rocks in their hoiked up skin tight leggings..
The point of climbing for me was to challenge yourself against the geology and weather..to take your chances expose yourself to risk ..and roll the dice of fate ..but still using good judgement, experience, carefully selected equipment , skills and physical fitness to reduce the chance of lethality or serious injury..
Meeting a few fellow adventurers and odd balls on the rocks was always part of the fun..but the advent of Facebook and the other social media platforms quickly turned a quasi religious journey of adventurous endurance and self discovery into an egotistical....look at me .. lycra leggings clown show...I visit ancient monuments and walk old Roman Roads and medieval paths now... i encounter more cows and considerably more mud and less rock....but virtually no annoying spuzzoids filming themselves..which makes the day much more worthwhile..
What are you supposed to wear instead of Lycra?
@snowmiaow something practical and sensible..I used to wear old Army issue t shirts,, Norwegian shirts, rugby Jerseys and rugby shorts or knee length tough ripstop shorts in hot weather..
If your lunking a big pack up the hills then you want something a bit looser ..otherwise you get sweaty and sore...lots of layers in cold conditions..lycra isn't ideal its too tight , gets ripped and doesn't let your skin breathe..maybe if you bivvy up for the night in the cold it's a useful layer inside your bag..but it's not great at scuffing over hard stone surfaces..much better to wear it for dancing in the nightclub or posing in the gym..
@@user-br6cq1nc4z Thank you for your informative and thoughtful post.
Yea, The money part.... As a woman who is about the same age who works for a living I am much more interested in Saving for a long retirement... But I guess if your goals are so misguided as these 2 were it makes perfect sense why they would have no appreciation for hard earned money
I would assume they either come from money, came into someone money or are doing things in the side. Which I won’t say in these comments lol
The Slavic woman was married to (and divorced) an American man, so she was probably spending her settlement money.
Is it just me or are the cacti taking over?
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Their increasing numbers seem concerning 🤔
@@toolegittoquit_001Ten years from now, Dr G, “…and that’s how I became a hoarder.”
It’s a prickly subject…
Yes! Very well-worded again Doctor. I appreciate your presentation of this story. Thank-you
They'd both be alive if they had agreed to represent their OWN countries! If Anna chose to represent Ukraine, she would still have a title, and Gina, representing US would also have a "first" title. Anna was the selfish one, and Gina took Anna's claims to be the first AMERICAN woman, very personal. The Avalanche gave them both the title of stupidest......
Come to think of it had anna chose to represent Ukraine the title would have atleast be useful as a pr and morale booster since reminder the country is still AT WAR
That avalanche of words was wacked
Dr Dre and then Dr Grande
The Sherpa’s are always tricky in these situations. They accept the risk in exchange for (sometimes large amounts of) money. But I guess you can’t really judge if they do so completely freely (they may be ‘forced’ by socio-economic circumstances, I dunno). It’s a shame either way.
sounds like you're struggling to fit a marxist square into a reality sized circle. everyone is forced to do everything for socio economic circumstances.
Maybe they thought they would get speaking engagements and a book deal.
06:22 Eminem been real quiet since this dropped
Eminem should be quiet anyway.
This kind of reminds me of a twisted version of "The Tortoise and the Hare".
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at this point climbing Mt Everest is nothing special there are so many companies guiding you all the way that the result is a huge congestion when climbing season opens. Climbing Mt Everest is now just an exercise in narcissism.
“Before you attempt to overcome the odds, be sure you can survive the odds overcoming you.” Too bad these women allowed competition and ego to cloud their judgment.
Pride is the most dangerous thing in the entire world, especially when it comes to mountain climbing.
Thank you so much, Dr. Grande!
Stockton Rush would've been proud of these Women o.O lol They're just like him...
Yep, chasing an almost meaningless title, at great monetary expense.
Let’s not forget that the Sherpas were in this solely for money, and they could have declined to continue due to safety concerns. *They* were the experts.
On a related note, I find it hard to believe that people do silly things in order to get their name into some “record book.”
The last part of your comment makes no sense.
There was a time when Guinness World Records were useful for settling actual disputes that came up (usually in bars). Now days they track increasingly contrived nonsense like "Most Rotations Hanging from a Power Drill in One Minute" but at least they refuse to approve record attempts beyond a reasonable level of risk.
This man's delivery is flawless.
So humble and to the point.
Like a magnet or a magician.
His storytelling is unmatched.
He could sell you a dead cat .
And you'd walk away saying.
HEY, I FINALLY GOT MINE. Like Prime Day.
draws you right in. Sad stories, yes. All about humans and their behaviors. He's a teacher, apparently
LEARN HOW TO LISTEN. Once again, outstanding
Clear and to the point.
@@wanya_telborn He’s a fanboi.
CZcams censorship is absolutely insane
my comment on the means also got the ax
So true, as I well know.
Above knows what is below,below knows not what is above.
hey that's actually pretty deep :) The future knows what is past but the past doesn't know the future :)
@LEE...337
Mount Analogue
by René Daumal
Of course it’s the Sherpas and other guides who pay when people get summit fever.
I’ve been hearing this story since it actually happened.
Gina at least seemed to love mountaineering and then got swept up in the glory and ego of the title when she met Anna. The sad thing is her experience should have informed her of the danger and she ignored it in pursuit of summit and title fever.
Anna seemed to only really be into mountaineering for the title and instagram and clearly had a lot of stamina, but it was reckless to even begin the final climb if she needed oxygen at that elevation regardless of the weather. She didn’t have Gina’s experience and wouldn’t have understood the risks as well.
I don’t feel much sympathy for either woman. If only Gina had turned back after that first avalanche it would have saved two lives and not injured the other guide.
If Anna hadn’t decided to stomp out so many mountains in as short a time a possible with so little training under her belt there likewise wouldn’t have been the senseless competition.
Reminds me of the woman who was determined to claim/invent the title of ‘first Asian woman with a pacemaker’ to climb Mount Everest. She couldn’t even get past camp one because she wasn’t even fit, let alone having any mountain climbing experience, but she refused to leave Everest and died in pursuit of a meaningless title.
You don't even need experience to comprehend the dangers. Just reading Krakauer's Into Thin Air or any similar nonfiction would give you a healthy respect for extreme environments.
@@evelynwaugh4053 Yeah, I agree, I’ve read it and I’ve been interested in mountaineering for years.
My point is that many novices don’t fully appreciate the dangers until they’ve been on the mountains have seen people get hurt and die around them, or had close calls themselves. They know it’s dangerous on an intellectual level but the danger doesn’t seem real to them. They get summit fever and that combined with inexperience makes them not properly respect the mountains.
It’s especially easy these days to underestimate the 8000ers because Mount Everest is so frequently summited by novices and it gives the false impression to people that if Everest is relatively ‘safe’, being the highest 8000m peak, the others will be less challenging.
They don’t necessarily realise the lower peaks are often more technical, or far more unstable. K2, for instance, unlike Everest, has no places that are relatively safe from avalanche flows (not to mention the Bottleneck and the massive trek to get to base camp).
Ego can be deadly.
First woman subscribed to dr Grande's channel to reach all 14 summits...
The rhyming 😂😂
DJ Grande busting out the rhymes!
Great case by the first youtuber to not diagnose anyone in this video; only speculate about what might be happening in a situation like this.
Many people watching this video may not understand just how difficult mountain climbing at this level is. It is WAY beyond what anyone you know can do. Having said this, this proves that we are all mortal and we all have failings, like pride and envy ......
Indeed its a lot of money
been watching since the begining and i hyped to see your growth. also i have to add youre one of my favorite channels, love the way you speak on these stories.
Dr. Grande on YT, but 'G Money' is his rap name 😂
She was ready to talk smack!😂😂 What an interesting video, Dr. Grande. ❤ Much appreciation. I really like the mountaineering stories.
Hey Doc when can we expect your mixtape?
She wasn’t even American wth lol
I was so confused, I paused, and opened the transcript.
Smh
Why couldn't she have been the first Ukrainian or Moldavan woman to achieve the record? She clearly wasn't American. Really bizarre.
Ukraine is a pitiful colony of the US empire
@@olliefoxx7165 probably because that title is already taken, hence she tried to squeeze into another one.
The Sherpas were free to make their own decisions and were the agents of their destruction.
That's easy to say but a lot of these men are poor and can't easily turn down a job. Plus who knows if they are pressured by the management companies into taking more risks than they'd like.
Hiking up everest is not mountain climbing.
Pastry school?
Layton Kor, a famous American rock climber and part of John Harlin's winter ascent of the Eiger North Face, made his living as a bricklayer.
It means sugar daddy pleasing
She majored in vintage cream dispensing.
It's crazy to me that they didn't work together and find a way to profit more. Instead they literally killed themselves by playing at Highlander Rules "there can only be one."
I have a toxic mom they remind me of her.
Be like the Friends cast - ensure everyone gets a great deal. Or be like Dan Aykroyd and Spielberg - when there was a "crystal skull" Indiana Jones movie and a Crystal Skull liquor, they figured out a cross promotion so everyone profited more. They didn't sue each other into oblivion.
These two literally killed themselves.
Dr. Big Wig spittin rap no cap😂
The dry humor is amazing. The rap made my day!
6:04+she said that she did not want to wait because she had the strongest sherpa on the mountain.
A sherpa that can hold back an avalanche for instance?
That last joke cracked me up. Have you ever visited the 2nd largest ball of twine in NA east of the Mississippi?
That mountain clout is just as dangerous as regular clout
Wait l! Is that tittle still available??? 14 peaks here I come!!
Stripping? Gold digging? OF? Pros titoootion? How tf they get they money
Dubai
Born in Eastern Europe during the 90s. Spends adult years on expensive hobbies with little work experience. Someone’s family member took advantage of the USSR’s collapse.
This story is morbidly hysterical…
A race to the top, which actually was a race to the bottom.
Thanks for the upload, Dr. Grande! Your true fans love your humour and sarcasm. July 17 is International Justice Day, National Peach Ice Cream Day (gotta have some Canadian Peaches and Cream Chapman's frozen yogurt later!), Disneyland Day, Feast of the Clockless Nowever, International Firgun Day, National Tattoo Day, World Emoji Day, Wrong Way Corrigan Day, and Yellow Pig Day.
It's also Please Stop This Annoying Habit Day but I guess you missed that one.
@@Broken_robot1986 It's also I Don't Care What You Think Day. Oh wait, that's every day.
@@Broken_robot1986 YES!!
@@kwas101 NO!
Fascinating story, top notch analysis as usual. Thanks Dr Grande.
Where do they get the money to do this guide fees of $10s of thousands and what are they doing to earn money?? All seems weird
I am so curious about that!!
well guess, from their men!
feet pics, only speculating..
@@ursodermatt8809 once you know, you can never unknow
Rich family's, Rich husband's, or some sort of sponsorship because she was trying to be first American woman
Please analyze the increase in tattoos among men and women
This also makes me wonder if Dr. Grande has covered the stories behind "Into Thin Air" (the tragic Everest expedition) or "Into The Wild".
He definitely did Into the wild, search for Chris McCandless Analysis (Into the Wild)
@@petadewar4720 Oh, cool! I will look for it. Thanks! 💜🌈💐🐾🖖🏼
What about the two Sherpa’s?
If they were male; they don't matter (according to society).
Apparently of the four Sherpas on the teams one Sherpa on Anna’s team was killed and the other was badly injured. The same happened on Gina’s team. The lead Sherpa died and one badly injured.
The women were after the title. The sherpas made their own choice to go after the money.
@michaelperez9966 it's like a movie. You only care about the main characters dying. You don't care or know about the background people dying. They aren't important to the story.
@@michaelperez9966 I'm guessing because he's not speculating on them only these two women.
The only title that matters is who was first to climb these mountains. After that nobody remembers or cares.
Always Interesting
Thank you ❤
30k dollars is like 300k dollars to the people there, no wonder they risk their lives for this.
But how did this woman get so much money? She has no job or husband, she has sugar daddies?
I think the whole sport of mountain climbing is terrible and should be blocked. How many stories do we have of idiots trying to climb some mountain, getting stuck and then expecting this huge rescue network of people to risk their lives to save them. There is no point in climbing a mountain, its not so you can eat, or save someone, its pure ego. I wonder what Gina's face, buried and frozen in the snow, looks like right now. Wonder if you could show her that picture before she tried climbing, and if she would have thought differently. She's up there right now, frozen, and dead. I am sure she would rather be back in NY enjoying a nice summer day, instead of a lost and sad frozen corpse, on some mountain people have never heard of.
Some
believe Gina and her sherpa were swept into a cervasse and will never be found
Surely Gina would be first American woman, Anna first Moldovan woman - win win no? It’s very sad what money and potential fame does to people.
As I say on all your videos about mountaineering morons, I used to live near Everest so really appreciate your highlighting their hubris.
Can we respect Dr. Grande pronouncing the countries, mountains, and peoples’ names?
Egos🙄
Hey, wait a second. Lives in a state with 2 vowels, check. Has a pet rock collection, check, climbed mountains higher than 7000, check. I guess I am the famous guy Dr. Todd is trying to find. Don’t call me, I’ll call you when I get over Castle Peak.
But is there another out there, who was first???
Funding = Dubai
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funding = sugar daddy
The biggest mystery to me is where they got the money to afford travel, permits & equipment.
Some women are beautiful and at the same time smart enough to know that this means they never have to work. Plenty of sugar daddies available to afford their chosen lifestyle, which could've been any way of living. Unfortunately they chose stupidly.
sugar daddy funded the delusional Moldovan unemployed pastry chef.
All these foreigners do have like 5 or 6 passports. Don’t think they understand the concept of citizenship
They don’t care
😂 Your jealousy is showing.
do they have 5 or 6 passports or are they "like" 5 or 6 passports?
The world is their playground. You probably have a homeland. It's considered suspect by some.
@@adude9882 Name a country NOT considered suspect by some.
I’m always astounded by the risks that people take when mountain climbing. These types of videos never cease to make me think about how much they are willing to sacrifice themselves and others for fame.
Just for perspective I remember the coronation of Queen Elizabeth. The news that Edmund Hillary climbed Everest arrived in London on the same day although Hillary's success had been several days before. News traveled more slowly at the time. However, the coronation got moved to page 2 of the London Times which did not please the Queen. Even Hilary Clinton claimed to have been named after Edmund Hillary in spite of his name having a double L compared to her single L. Maybe her parents named their daughter without checking the spelling.
Great analysis Dr Grande!👌