David and Louise Turpin (House of Horrors) | Mental Health & Personality
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The sad part is there are other families like this that just haven’t been discovered yet
Such an insightful comment.
Yup, right now as we speak, children might be hit or choked or starved to death at some big family house in a big neighborhood and nobody knows a damn thing about.
@@Zoza15 We've seen this through kidnapping cases too where Jaycee Duggard could have been freed if probation officers looked in the backyard or Ariel Castro's home where 3 kidnapped girls were kept; lots of real families are hiding big secrets.
My family had a secret life too. We were terribly abused secretly, but in public people thought we were the finest family on our street. Some teachers suspected abuse, but did nothing, as they didnt want to get involved. When Pa died, I felt joy and cried tears of happiness that he'd never be able to hurt anyone ever again. Our mother said "It was either you kids or me." She wanted people to think we had a great family and that her marriage was perfect. She was an abuser in that sense as well. My sister and I loathe her.
I always think about this whenever I hear a story like this. Horrifying.
The courage displayed by the 17 yr old is breathtaking - imagine taking a step in the fog without any idea of where your foot will land, or even if it will land. Mind boggling. These videos are so interesting.
You are so right. You are the only one that has mentioned the courage besides the doctor. I think
I understand they took vacations every year. This is all too strange, but perhaps she had a glimpse of how the world really was, and took a leap.
@@wedolearning4133 I was following this story for a while after its release. I believe one of the sons was in college for a while. They described him as being someone who kept to himself and went straight home after classes. I feel at some point the way they were being treated was a discussion as they had planned it before and didn't go through with it. Glad that girl went through that time. Something pushed her.
I really want to know how the children are doing now. Where they are, the long term effects, if they really understand what they were put through, are they in contact with one another or separated...???
Everyone who has learned about this event, myself certainly, only regarded the cruelty of those parents. I totally agree that this is the first time I've begun to understand the extraordinary bravery and courage of the 17 year old daughter. Can you imagine, all your life, you're told that people outside your house are evil and want to hurt you & your family- to still brave an escape and call out for help, with the real possibility in your mind that it will lead to your family's doom. I'm really moved by her. I sincerely hope those kids find peace. The parents can rot in prison forever.
Showered once a year. Tied up for months. And the dad said he's sorry "IF" he did anything to hurt them. My heart breaks for these kids.
That's just gross imagine getting sick, getting your menses or a infection and being denied that right
I am horrified that their shirts label each of them as “IT”!?
Heartbreaking 💔💔💔‼️for sure absolutely
So they are mentally ill. Wondering, did THEY only eat 1x per day? Did THEY throw themselves down the stairs. Nope. Crazy but know how to act for themselves. Crazy but know how to hide it from the neighbors. I hope they never get out.
Yeah just a fake the apology. Seriously does it really have to take going to jail to realize how evil you were? 😢
When I listened to the 911 call Jordan made the night she escaped, you could tell the dispatcher was questioning the validity of the call. But as she (and I) listened further it became clear this was no ordinary child or ordinary circumstance. Jordan was incredibly polite, but you could also hear the urgency and fear in her voice. The cadence of her sentences, as well as not being able to understand what simple everyday terms meant made it seem like she was a very well spoken younger child. Ironically the one thing that made her stand out enough to request further information from both the dispatcher and the police officer was her odd way of talking and lack of knowledge of simple things. Which was the direct result of the severe isolation and abuse she had experienced her entire life. She indeed saved all her siblings and herself. Such a brave child!
I found that the police officer that met Jordan on the road seemed to be more skeptical about her story than the 911 operator. The way he kept saying "ugh-huh, ugh huh" like he didn't believe her. Listen to their conversation in the beginning. After a while he started to believe the story esp. when he saw the photos. The police have to follow up on complaints even outlandish ones.
She was incredibly brave, she fulfilled a divine plan to save all her siblings from living hell...amazing heroine
@@secretaryandactress As he related, he want to take her home. But he asked routine things like proofs, pictures (Jordan did not mentioned about photos without being questioned) and voila, he saw the picture and he immediately knew it is a grave abuse case. Then he asked her to stay on his car and secure the photos.
Ironically, he did not worked as it should be. He is not allowed to make decisions like it is not an abuse. No matter there are no proofs. He should take her to a prosecutor and start an investigation when there is no proof.
@@bestopinion9257 Police are allowed to enter the child's home if it is believed that other children are in danger. The police have to witness and write a report to possible abuse.
@@secretaryandactress Yes, I know. But my point is, even without proof or "believes" he should not take her home to her parents.
One who says "I'm sorry IF," rather than THAT is not sorry.
He's sorry "If" he caused harm? Such is the mind of a manipulative sociopath.
Keep these monsters caged.
Another amazing analysis of an horrific subject, Dr. Grande.
Your 'Sorry THAT' - 'Sorry IF' remark: Quite probably the truest thing I have read online EVER.
Yes, so poignant what you said. It makes one think.
Wrong. People with BPD suffer from extreme guilt and shame. Yet aren’t well enough to usually break the habits of impulse
Its right up there with "Im sorry YOU felt that way." Saying sorry without actually apologising.
"IF" you caused harm? Not "IF" you did.....YOU DID.
I was raised by extremely abusive parents. My father told me that if I told anyone about the abuse, that I would destroy the family. I was home schooled and we lived there n the wilderness. I don't think people outside of our family would have seen signs of the abuse and neglect that was happening. I used to suffer from Stockholm Syndrome. I believed that it would be better for me to die than get either of my parents in trouble. If I had been taken from my parents, I would have been resentful, but I wish that I had been. I wish that someone had stepped in and saved me from further abuse.
If you suspect that a child is being abused, please report it. I have complex PTSD and Dissociative Identity Disorder from what my parents did to me. I had inconsistent access to food. The child's safety must always come before the feelings of the parents.
If you see signs of abuse, please, please report it to the authorities. It isn't fair for children to grow up in a toxic environment
God bless you.
I am so sorry you were raised in such an abusive and horrible environment. I agree with you completely: more people need to find a little bit of courage and report these monsters that abuse their own children- or anybody else’s children!! I have personally reported a few handfuls of so called “parents” when I used to teach school and before then and since then too. It’s not so hard to see children in public and see them get beaten, or chased down and then “spanked”. I don’t think it’s within anybody’s rights to hit another animal or human. We have more complex thought processes and can find effective and non violent means to teach your children. Mine are now grown, happy, well adjusted, etc. Yet I never laid a finger on them. They learned how to cooperate by many examples I gave them, plus repetition and hard work on my part. Again, I’m sorry your parents failed you and hurt you. I wish someone had reported them repeatedly until the police or DSS made them stop or took you away and placed you into a caring home.
My husband also suffers from DID, as well as a few other disorders, from severe abuse from his father. I'm so sorry you had abusive parents. I hope you have ongoing counseling. Unfortunately, my husband refuses treatment.
I truly hope u can find peace in your life..
That was eloquently frank; all the people that are reading this post and have experienced even a fraction of what you described are very grateful to you for articulating this. Several neighbors of the Turpins through the years have seen enough peculiar behaviors that something should have been reported sometime, somewhere; it doesn't matter if you report something that turns out not to be of concern but finding out that a child is definitely safe will make you feel a huge sense of relief. The neighbors in Texas entered the Turpin house after they evacuated and they said that it was disgusting; trash everywhere, chains hanging from bunk beds and the infestation of rats; that in itself should have been reported that children were living in that house. I'm positive that the family could have been tracked down even out of state.
Hoarders don't notice the smell or squalor. It's what I found so amazing when watcing the show with the same name. I think control played a huge part, they wanted to control every aspect of their childrens lives. I also wondered as the 2yr old wasn't abused, whether the mother was addicted to the baby stage but then lost interest once they grew older.
These people were plain old lazy. They treated their children like pets you don’t want and barely take care of, only enough to keep them alive. It’s like being overrun with too many cats because you were too lazy and broke to get the first one neutered. What a nightmare! I don’t think they wanted to control their children beyond the basics to keep them from running off. That would have been too much work. They just didn’t want to mess with them. Then, they were too embarrassed to let anyone see them or interact with them, so they just essentially shut them away and all but forgot about them. They dehumanized these poor children in their own minds, and actually really did treat them like animals.
They want what normal people want, easy life, fucking and trips. But they were also religion maniacs and that's why too many children. So, they do not want children, children are a burden for them. They limit the effort and attention to barely keeping them alive. And hide this because they know this is a crime that leads to even more crimes like cages and chaining and terror.
@@maryalicesmith2626 but it was control too. They did not let them have any form of entertainment, to the point that they would abuse them if they found out they had watched videos or seen movies ect. They also went out of the way to periodically chain them in complex rotations, extreme levels of mental abuse and other things that do take lots of effort. While there are clear levels of horrific laziness and neglect..I think that the basis of abuse was more complex than hard-core laziness and zero empathy or compassion for their children. Its hard to say tho bc I agree a lot of seems to be just a valid and huge fear of being found out.. but in the same sense they are horrifically stupid to keep having children and then imprisoning them for the rest of eternity.
I see so many similarities with my own family here...except nowhere near as extreme.
My mother was a hoarder. She bought crazy gifts all the time. Spent money like a 2 year old...house always a pig sty. As I grew older she checked out. My father always was checked out.
I remember walking home from school alone across 3 busy streets at barely 5 years old. Mum would always be forgetting to pick me up.
I remember dad belting me. I remember mum holding me while dad belted me.
I remember dad touching me on the breastfeeding repeatedly when the family was playing catch. He did it once and I thought it was by mistake and then he kept doing it. I was about 13yrs old. Dad is dead now from Alzheimers..he had a horrible death.
Mum is now dying from cancer a slow horrible death too. She was totally messed in the head from a neglected childhood. My sisters both had mental health issues. One with brain damage. The other with depression etc.
Dad was always telling me I was fat (I wasn't) ugly stupid useless.
I hated him and my mother not far behind.
I have watched the Turpin case closely. It reminds me of my childhood bar the chains.
@@kaypendergast5676 I’m so sorry to hear that, hoe you’re doing better ❤
I grew up in a house where my Mother abused us kids. My father allowed and even assisted her to abuse us. I did reach out and a friends mom said "She didn't want to get involved". She didn't have to get involved she should have called cps and cps would have investigated from there. My mother trained us to fear foster care saying all kids in foster care are sexually abused. I'm lucky to be alive and yet feel lucky i was not abused to the extent these poor kids were!
Look at the status of most kids who were in foster care. It's not good. Who knows if you would have been any better off? CPS would also follow you into when you had your own children and potentially cause problems.
@@Billybloop it's possible my life would have been just as bad. At least in foster care I would have had a shot at a normal life. The mental manipulation was constant on top of the physical abuse with my parents. Even if there was oversight from CPS my parents would have had to curb the abuse at least for a time.
I am sorry that happened to you.
@@Billybloop What sort of problems would CPS cause. NAME THE PROBLEMS, PLEASE.
@@lauraweaver1019 I feel soso srry for you.
What a brave girl to call the police like that. It's such a bizarre case.
Two years of planning. It breaks my heart.
Adrift if the mother did so first what would have become of that right up until the late 1980's other than maybe police there telling her to get a divorce?
If it happened 30 years ago they would’ve just sent the kid back to be tortured and murdered.
I bet she’ll forever be her siblings greatest hero
I still don't get the motive. The oldest chi-- I mean, prisoner was 29 years old! Were they hoping to have a group of 40-somethings chained up and starved one day?
Dr. Grande, I always wonder: Do you ever shout, "What is WRONG with people?!!!!!", like the rest of us, or do you just already know?
He merely speculates about what may be happening in a situation 😁
That’s what I am always saying,”wtf?” And why I watch Dr Grande’s channel. I need someone to tell me what’s wrong with these people.
He's into guns. So I think that is his hobby.
His "W.T.F." tell for these kinds of monsters is that he doesn't dignify the situation with his usual deadpan humor.
I’m pretty sure from his psychological analysis he has a deeper understanding as to why human do what they do but aside from that I think his opinion would be like WTF I’m only speculating 🙃
I was obsessed with this case when it first came out. I just couldn’t believe how evil it all was and how long it went on for. They lived in a populous suburb with lots of close by neighbors. It’s horrifying it took so long for those kids to get their freedom.
I wonder if the other people in this suburb also abused their kids, lived in houses full of rotting garbage and rats etc. It would explain a lot.
I really appreciate your objectivity. This is a situation where the “why” is incomprehensible.
I love all the low key shade you throw in your videos. Hahaha
"It was one of the easiest decisions the judge ever made."
Love it.
@@sharonmorine5407 I couldn't agree more!
This is why we keep coming back
Low key shade is it more like shallow waters
These people scared the crap out of me. Making their kids wash their hands once a year?? Chaining them to their beds? Omg
Only showering once a year
I wonder if the children still like meat pies... the pets seemed to certainly miss out on snacks.
I am glad that maybe catching something from something children at risk touched before you do wasn't the only thing about this story that scares you about the David Turpin story because the opposite happens too when such kind of parents are making their infant children wash their hands or else.
@@FrancesShear that isn't making sense to me, maybe it's the lack of punctuation or my lack of sleep.
I think they were featured on Evil Lives Here (ID Channel). I think the story was told by the sister of the mom.
Dr. Grande, the information about histrionic personality disorder was a huge eye opener for me. My mother has everyone of these traits. Some more intense than others. I had decided she was narcissistic, but I never thought about her being histrionic. Her father was a Pentecostal preacher and she always wanted to preach. (At the age of 8, I became her congregation). I’m not exaggerating, she would literally sit me down and practice sermons. They would get intense.
She is 83 and has Alzheimer’s disease. I have become her caretaker. This information has shed some serious light on how I think about the situation. Thank you so very much! Bless you sir.
I am a nurse and work in memory care. It’s amazing how many dementia patients are either highly intelligent or devout Christians.
It always amazes me how neighbors will look the other way even when several odd behaviors are happening at the same time!!!! Their neighbors where they live when arrested were less then 10 to 20 yards from the Turpins actual house. I just shake my head in disgust as to how far or how long the neighbors ignored all the odd happenings right next to them!!!😳
Agree! When you know someone has that many kids yet you never see them....
Yep
Right!?
I had crazy-scary nextdoor neighbors for years, and I was always amazed that I was apparently the only person on the block who actually called police a couple of times due to their suspicious or downright frightening behavior. Like, there were a few weeks where every night you could hear LOUD blood-curdling screams from their backyard, and literally *nobody* else called the cops to see if they were even ok! WTH?!
I think the neighbors should be charged with something!! They saw the kids lined up from youngest to oldest and being forced to march or walk around the house, literally in the middle of the night for a long period of time. Nobody could think that is normal parenting!!!
@@maneckineckbeard1749 I’m glad you called police. I’ve called the police several times- every time I suspect child abuse I call the police. I have waited around until they got there too. I’ve written down license plates while waiting. If I’m wrong then I’m glad. So far, I don’t think I was wrong… poor kids.
That haircut he has might need it’s own separate video for a deep analysis....
I agree. To pull off a hairdo like that ,well, oofff
That hair should have gotten a sentencing if it’s own
I posted the same upthread. The "prince valiant" cut. He must have been a fan of the comic strip as a kid.
lmao - true
😂
My God, what a piece of work these parents are. As a survivor of homeschooling myself, all I can say is my parents got involved in religion, left their brains at the door, soaked in everything BS, and used their religion to cover their own problems. Strange things happen when you throw yourself wholeheartedly into religion and mentally check out of reality.
When one fills their head so full of religion, one empties their mind of everything else to make room for it all.
I'm sorry nobody intervened somehow and gave them a "wake up call." Maybe you lived in the South where everybody's paranoid about everybody else.
A "survivor of homeschooling"? That's a strange thing to say.
It seems that they were involved in witchcraft.
Good that you got yourself trough and out of that situation,all the best❤
20/20 did episode on this last night ( unless it was a rerun) showing how once the children were removed they were put in abusive foster homes, the case worker assigned to them wouldn’t approve any of the funds set up for them donated by citizens. They were failed by parents and by system
You didn’t mention Louise’s habit of overspending on baby clothes and toys, yet never giving these items to her children. She caused their financial situation to descend into bankruptcy. Someone in another video mentioned that the histrionic personality disorder consisted of a woman who loves babies, but when they become older, and detach from their mother, she hates and mistreats them.
do you have the title of the video? i wanna see itttt
The fact that the neighbors never even requested a welfare check must haunt them. And it should. If you think something isn’t right do something. I had to call the cops on a woman for how she treated her children. She was behaving incredibly weird, was screaming at her children in a parking lot at 11 pm, and saying horrible things to them and man handling them. When she noticed me on my phone, she threw the kids in the van and I had to chase her down to get her license plate. My boss was mad at me, but no child deserves to live in fear. I asked for a welfare check and guess what? My step dad was driving through town and saw police and CPS loading two children meeting my description up. Meaning they definitely found something that they thought warranted removing those kiddos. Children usually can’t save themselves from abusive situations, they rely on other people to notice and step in. If you suspect or have witnessed child abuse, reach out to authorities and ask for a welfare check.
I remember there used to be this woman who came into the coffee shop I worked at. I remember the nickname we used for her was "Worlds worst Mom." She was constantly SCREAMING st her kid, she definately had substance abuse issues, it was awful. One time she told me where she was moving (it was a very specific house that was on my bus route) so I reported her to CPS. Idk what happened but I never saw her again.
THANK YOU for helping those kids. Do you know what happened to the others, and what happened to the two who were rescued?
I had to call the cops on my neighbors. They had 3 young kids and a teenager. The parents were screaming at each other all the time. One time the mom and her teenage daughter were screaming and cussing at each other, the daughter was threatening her mom too. The 3 little kids were crying and screaming outside asking them to stop. So I decided to call to have a welfare check done. I work in daycare, and I didn’t feel comfortable with the situation.
Omgosh!! *THANK YOU* for doing this!! And not letting anything stop you. You honestly are a hero!!
Sam Sackett If you see something, SAY SOMETHING!
I’d like to hear an analysis of the Duggar’s family
Yes!! I need to hear about what Dr G has to say about the Duggars, IBLP, cults, Jimboob’s behaviors ... there is so much to analyze!!
This is what came to mind to me as well. Oddly both families chose the 'J' letter for first names in their children.
+asbhk So much tolerance
The Duggars put their lives out there for everyone to see. They seem like decent people.
oOoOoo yes! That would be a good one!
Just watched a 20/20 ep on this. I won’t deny I cried almost all the way through. These poor children. Jordan is a warrior and I can’t wait to see what she does with her life. I hope it’s amazing.
I saw that, too. But just as bad is the fact that the foster care system totally failed those kids so some were no better off.
UPDATE: The daughter that escaped and the oldest sibling just did an interview with ABC News talking and giving more details about their life with their parents and their lives now, they love going to school, meeting up all the time, and the daughter that escaped talks about what helped lead her up to escaping and realizing the situation her and her sibling were in wasn't right, she loves doing tiktoks now lol
And the government stole their money.
Attracted to a 10 year old? OMG.
😫😩😬😳
Fucking sicko right?
Yeah, that definitely says something. Also the fact that he started seeing her a year after she was sexually assaulted and took her out of state when she was still a minor. I'm not saying that excuses her behavior in any way but she was not ok when they initially started seeing each other.
Yeah, that...
Sexism in action. She's abused and an incest victim, but treated as highly sexualized and manipulative, but he's a pervert, controlling, still denying the incredible wrongness of what he did, and there's no mental illness tag on him.
This case, and topic, hits so close to home. Though not nearly mistreated as these children, I was raised in an isolating religious cult. It is much more common than reported. The restriction of knowledge and basic world skills is devastating.
Great that you went trough and out of that.hope you are doing well and I wish you all the best.❤
Very true. I grew up in a household where both parents were Jehovah's witnesses. Very bad
So HPD is really just explaining every female on the planet lol
@@cant_touchthis69 Spot the misogynist
Which cult? I am fascinated by this.
I’d like to hear your analysis of the German girl whose father kept her hidden in the basement behind 6 or 7 locked doors/rooms and she bore 6 or 7 of his children alone in the basement. The father and her mother lived upstairs and raised a few of their daughter’s children normally, but the others were kept locked in the basement.
They were Austrian. There was another Austrian girl, Natascha Kamplusch, who had been kidnapped at the age of 10 or 11 by a creepy single man who lived in his mother's house while she lived in his apartment around the same time,
@@lemsip207 Damn, Austrians are cray cray!!
He did. Look up Dr Todd Grande Josef Fritzl
"They started having financial problems and started homeschooling their children." That's bizarre. Last I heard the public school system is free. Having helped six moms homeschool their kids over the past many years (after 30 years teaching in the "system") I can assure everyone homeschooling is NOT cheap! You have to buy curriculums, projects, etc. What a ridiculous excuse these people made. Unbelievable that was their "go to."
As a homeschooling mom I can say that it can be as cheap or expensive as you want it to be. There are so many amazing free or nearly free resources that make it very cost effective.
That said, they started "homeschooling" because public educators are mandatory reporters. If they suspect abuse or neglect, they MUST file with CPS. Neighbors, obviously, are much more inclined to "mind their own business." It's actually the biggest threat to homeschool freedom right now - no mandatory reporters means that extreme abuse like this can, obviously, go on for years without interruption, however rare it may be.
@@Lucy-vx2ls Excellent points.
Unfortunately, there are a special few who homeschool out of laziness. They don’t like preparing a child to leave the house every day, ensure they’re fed and clean, do the “stupid” homework that is assigned, get help for their children’s antisocial behavior. They should not be referred to as homeschoolers because there is no schooling going on at all.
@@queenbeemo42 Couldn't agree with you more. It is cases such as this that give "homeschooling" a bad name. They weren't homeschooling. I agree they just didn't want any accountability so they could continue to neglect and abuse their children. The older children still read at a first grade level when they were rescued. Reprehensible behavior.
Buying lunch at school with that many kids would be expensive. It was much easier, instead, to starve/torture their children. So messed up.
Over 50 years later, my oldest sibling still ruminates over whether she made the right decision at 11 years old, when she considered calling police about our guardians and the treatment of the youngest one, me. When you only know your family “logic” you know intimately what kind of problems might occur if you are ever again in their care. I really lost it when I heard about the Turpin. So severe.
Her feelings of guilt is part of the cognitive dissonance of abuse.
One of my brothers ran away so often he was put in foster care and later became a ward of the state of CA, later lived in prison. He was the smart one, somehow knew the abuse was beyond toxic and he needed to leave. My other brothers left home at 15, I was stuck caring for my mother in her final years of MS and my abusive alcoholic father who refused to help her in any way. Within less than a year of my escaping from the house (17), my mother died from burns when she accidently caught her clothing on fire. Yesterday was the 50th year anniversary of her death. I have wondered many times what really happened to her, she was in a coma for 8 days and died, she did tell me she loved me (first and last time). It was a tragic time in my life. Gratefully, I somehow after several years of bad decisions, have a good life. LIve alone, but have a close relationship with my daughters family, especially my 6 yr old grandson, love of my life!
Fay Ble That’s heartbreaking. Glad you made it through and can experience joy!
DO many therapist don't believe victims of severe child abuse because it seems unbelievable that a parent would harm their own child UNLESS the child was uncontrollable or mental or basically the victim gets blamed because everyone has cognitive dissonance. PAY ATTENTION and look out for kids! If your at walmart and hear crying kids or abusive parents...follow them to the parking lot and get a license plate number and report them. Too many kids end up dead or severely damaged.
@@thedog2916 Good for you and blessings for a happy and prosperous future.
I think it's time to subscribe. I am shocked to find out they did this sober. No drinking or drugs. Your work here on YT is very well done. Thank you.
@cosmic moth I understand where you're coming from.
People who don't take drugs fear seeing things from another perspective they have forced their minds into narrow spaces, their grasp on reality is so slim that drugs would be unbearable
Religion was the drug that clouded their minds.
I love how this guy talks and how he keeps his videos simple. No music or anything distracting. Very nice
The 17 year old daughter is a hero to risk her life for her siblings. I hope they all are able to heal and enjoy their freedom!
I am one of 13 children. What are your thoughts on big families? Some neglect is bound to happen. My parents worked hard and we had a stable life, but emotional care was on the backburner.
wow, I thought my family was big. I am one of 7 kids. My idea of a big family is parent(s) and 4 kids.
I feel like that could be said for any sized family..
Neglect and direct abuse are so harmful. I was sadly in a family that had features of both. No matter how big the family, parents should be mentors and children should be free. I believe in waiting for children and starting small. They are the biggest commitment of q parent will ever have in addition to their spouse. The way I see it, the parent should 1) teach a child what to do and 2) provide them with as much open life experience, encouragement, wisdom and affirmations of self worth as possible. No one is asking a parent to be superhuman, just to be a responsible caregiver, preparing the kiddos to leave the nest.
@@katherinerosemore274 Yeah I think so too.
My grandparents and MIL are all from large families. All kinds of terrible, crazy, and awful behaviors come from them.
Disclaimer: don't eat while listening to this case...it is nauseating. Great analysis though, as usual per Dr Grande.
Me **drops fork**
So true. I made that mistake. It'll be a while before I have avocado, which alone has very little taste yet I was nauseous. Should've read the comments section before hand.
@@SjofnBM1989 🤣
🤣 I'm eating trail mix
Every time I hear this, I can't help but to be in complete awe of Jordan, who escaped and called the police after 17 years of indoctrination and delusion. It's a type of courage that I truly cannot fathom...like jumping down a black hole, hoping there is water, not knowing, but hoping it leads her and her siblings into a different world. How can anyone be that brave? I have never heard of that type of bravery. I get chills every time.
I agree. The 17-year-old was so brave!! I can't imagine her terror. I wonder how these children will ever recover. Is there even such a thing as a "full recovery" from a life like the one they were given?
There is nothing like a full recovery even from milder causes of abuse than this one. They will need professional help for their whole life, especially the oldest kids who lived under these insane circumstances for so long. The youngest ones might become relatively OK because young kids are still pliant but the rest...
They will be much happier of course even if their whole life will be possible only with help of therapists.
Also don´t forget people in general are usually jerks to anyone who is different and these kids were isolated from normal life, they have no social skills, they don´t know how to interact with strangers, which makes them extremely vulnerable to more abuse from all the jerks they will ever meet.
They’re so strong, hella resilient and brave AF. I do hope that those traits serve them well in overcoming their past. I hope that they can catch up on their education and socialization, and that they can eventually fit into a better world, and comfortably
@Corky J Cavera I'm so sorry for what you endured. I can't even begin to wrap my mind around that because I was fortunate to grow up in a healthy environment but it is heartbreaking to me that you will be fighting this the rest of your life. A quote comes to mind about you that "at some point in life people have to decide whether to be a survivor or decide to be a victim" and you have obviously chosen to become a survivor. Kudos to you.
Honestly, I don't think a "full recovery" is possible. Jordan was seventeen, but there were SEVEN adult children. According to Jennifer (29 at the time of their release), the older kids were forced to discipline the younger ones. I understand the effects of such complete isolation, but the seven oldest not only couldn't find a way to escape, but were co-opted into the cruelty? The one that really confuses me is Josh, who actually went to a bricks and mortar college during all this, made good grades, and graduated with a BS in computer software engineering shortly after his parents' arrest. He obviously wasn't mentally deficient, he WAS exposed to real life, he had a significant amount of autonomy, and he STILL didn't do anything to help his siblings. This suggests a degree of religious delusion SO profound that, along with the guilt and shame, will leave all the adult children permanently scarred as well as terminally incapable of integrating into society.
Many of the children from quiverfull families probably won't have children of their own therefore ending the cycle of abuse. Out of choice as they are afraid they would make bad parents, because they are medically infertile from not being properly nourished, because they can't handle a relationship because of PTSD from emotional neglect and physical abuse or because they don't earn enough to support a family. Or they might choose to have a family in the normal way.
I wonder how father David would go to work and co-workers/boss wouldn’t notice him smelling bad, when you live in a house like that your clothes and person would smell like the house.
wondered the same thing. I'm sure all his coworkers had discussed his smell and how weird he was.
For real! So many people think it’s “mean” or harassing to report such a thing though. It’s a no win situation. Report something you are judgmental and non-inclusive. Don’t report it and you live with guilt kicking yourself that you should have done something. It sucks.
Susan Hubbard I worked in a casino with one lady that didn’t know what deodorant was or how to use it, the managers used to put messages for the staff saying we all needed to pay attention to personal hygiene and presentation, etc in our lounge and we all knew who it was for, but it’s difficult to say it politely and upfront without someone taking personal or as harassing, discrimination, etc.
I have personally known two people who smelled bad in spite of daily showers, deodorant use, and good dental hygiene. One was a childhood friend who I knew for over 10 years. There must be a medical condition that causes it. Also, people can smell very different (different , not bad) depending on their diet.
Many people with poor hygiene are just harmless weirdos. And if he had his own separate office room, noone was bothered.
The thing that concerns me the most is the possibility that some of their kids could potential turn out like the parents. I don't know if you saw the video of the courtroom sentencing, where the two or three oldest read their victim impact statements, but it sounded like they still didn't really understand how bad their parents actually are. They still have positive feelings for them and thought their prison sentence was to long and they wanted to see them again. According to articles I've read, there was a period of a few years in Texas when the parents abandoned their kids and left the older ones in charge. Supposedly, the older ones continued the abuse during that time and they didn't make an attempt to escape during that time, even though they could have. I know there were some attempts to escape at other times, but I don't think it was the three oldest kids who did so. I think it was mostly the middle kids that did most of the escape attempts. So I wonder if there might eventually be a split between the oldest kids and the younger ones because the older ones might identify with the parents and still love them, whereas, the younger ones hate the parents and realize how messed up their situation was. I think they may have been pitting the kids against each other.
You are totally right. Some kids will have more preference from the parents and therefore, be more willing to just accept what they say as true. Most of the times, the least preferred kids will have also the worst treatment.
The stigma of being born into a family like that could contribute to chronic depression in a person who wants to live a different kind of life than being a hostage in a house of horrors. Without help the resulting depression in them as adults could enable more evil doers to take advantage of their neglected children which is why that sort of thing sometimes skips a generation. What child wouldn't want to no longer be a hostage in that kind of house of horrors? Although it seems to me that it would be normal for children who were brought up in a home like that to be at first suffering PTSD while distrusting mainstream religious organizations and that showing them real love like being non-judgmental towards whenever showing signs of PTSD like extreme anxiety along with offering them educational opportunities and career counselling would go a long way in helping to change their distrust of all that is called good in the world. Thankfully our modern publicly funded school system can be of positive influence towards such kinds of disadvantaged and at risk children. What a wonderful victory it will be for all including for those children and the people helping them who are helping other children from other high risk situations too in accomplishing a healthy successful lifestyle instead. Whoever is helping them would be wise in not politicizing the situation by encouraging them to choose whatever healthy real mainstream religious practices they prefer adhering to like encouraging the eldest in waiting for a real marriage instead of the deceptive horror they experienced like the harsh tortuous punishments they suffered from in the past.
agree 100%.
@@AngelaMerici12 According to more recent news articles that I've seen, they said that all the kids are close and get together on a regular basis, though. So I don't get it.
I mean.. maybe.. but its all they knew. Its their normal. They were completely programed. we gotta give them a chance. All of them need extensive therapy
The thing that gets me, is that the parents "claimed" they only wanted the "best" for their kids. Their just crying that they got caught.
I'm so glad you mention that there are low-key ways to check on a situation that seems sketchy. In a lot of circumstances, it is the safest option for all parties. Call the authorities, let them know what you witnessed and request that assistance is sent.
When I was in middle school NYC was faced with failure of the child protection agencies with the murder of a seven year old girl named Nixzmary Brown. It was really the first case of widely-reported-on child abuse that I was old enough to understand the severity of and pay attention to. I always remember how baffled I was that nobody did anything to help her or realized she was in danger, and wondered how any parent could treat their child so horribly. I always think about her whenever I hear about cases of child abuse.
I remember this case as well. I think her stepfather would make her use a kitty litter box if I'm remembering correctly and at one point he picked her up by her foot and dropped her on her head. Horrendous case.
I read A Child Called IT by David Pelzer. That's a fascinating example of how a child survived appalling abuse and lived to recognise it and to mature into a healthy member of society. It's a harrowing read but at the same time so heart warming to see a child's recovery.
I think it would be great to learn how victims survive and grow and what their adult struggles might be.
I listened to the audio book and had to stop it several times because it caused serious anxiety. His will to survive and overcome was/is amazing. I could never understand why the father didn't stop the abuse.
It's a great book!
I read that when I was about 10 years old. It's truly heartbreaking.
We had to read it in High School, and I never want to read it again.
My mother sent me a copy of the book. On the inner cover she wrote I'm sorry. I read it once, and had flashbacks and nightmares for a year. I've forgiven her, but have never left her alone with my children. My girls are 16 and 17 now. Like me they are both on the spectrum and have adhd. I've never starved, chained, shamed, or physically hurt them. I attended various therapies for 5 years before choosing to have children. I love them so much. My family doesn't accept them unfortunately. Their loss.
Well done Dr.Grande! Thank you. So many more questions emerge than satisfying answers. David Turpin worked for General Dynamic and Northrop Grumman…he was a contractor with high clearance. That means his clearance required periodic adjudication to maintain the clearance level. Part of that ongoing clearance process is to reach out to neighbors, and other specific individuals identified as references. It is impossible that they were under the radar during his career. Also, declaring bankruptcy is a red flag in the Defense community as it makes one (potentially) vulnerable to bribes. Somewhere along the line
people had to know that something was up with Turpin. He would smell at work…because the stench would cling
to him, his clothes, and his hair.
More people knew…
The 20/20 episode last week on this story was incredible. Great analysis Dr Grande.
“Stench” is like “true” in a way - should not need a qualifier!
I can’t understand how no one investigated after seeing the state of their old house. And in their new house, the neighbours saw the kids marching through the house in the wee hours for hours at a time, and never said anything - MYOB is one thing but odd.
Fascinating case - I saw video of the walk through of the house. Horrifying. I hope the kids are getting help. Another case where I hope resources go to the victims and to hell with the perpetrators. I find it very hard to feel sympathy for them, even though it stemmed from mental illness.
Oh my, me too. I have trouble mustering up any sympathy at all.
Yeah, I don't feel sympathy for them. To say "that was one heck of a toxic environment" would be an understatement.
Why would you feel sympathy for a criminal??? They could have killed those kids!! Sorry. For me they could rot in prison for ever!
Possibley nobody investigated due to lack of funding the mind boggles about it.
@@wmelliott3802 There are reasons why people don't report. A lot of people don't report because they don't want to "wreck" a family.
I’m glad you spoke of the 17 year olds bravery at length. It was as if to give a message to her should she ever see this video. Giving her reassurance and validation for what she did. My heart broke when this story first came out not only for the children but for the neighbors lack of speaking out and how not getting involved has become a common practice. We are losing our sense of community more and more. I hope these kids heal in an amazing way and find their purpose in life and are able to use their past for a greater good.
They should add another felony charge for David's haircut. It's a crime against humanity.
20 years only for that.
I have the same haircut. It hasn’t been banned yet. No charges.
@@hagninety4116 only david should have been arrested for it. you probably make that haircut look GOOD.
😂🤣😂
@@hagninety4116 so did Ringo Starr, but it was in and he didn’t force it on his kids either lol
Jordan Turpin is a real hero. Love and best wishes to these kids!
This news story is so upsetting. I hope those kids are taken care of now.
Rebecca Phillips I hope he day that one or more of the kids write a tell all story. There is so much more to this than we are privy to.
@@myozbubble what a strange response to empathy?
I read an update on the older ones recently that they were doing really well. I believe theyre all attending some type of schooling and have part time jobs. They seem to have adapted to the real world fairly well. Obviously they will always have those emotional and physical scars but hopefully theyre getting some kind of help.
@Héloïse Jo i think the oldest one has some kind of intellectual disability which is why she isnt as independent as the others.
The older kids were on 2020 sadly the younger ones were abused in foster care too and got screwed by the system that was supposed to protect them
it sounds sort of cult-like. a cult of two, and then all of the unfortunate children born into that cult. I'd love to know more about the parents' childhoods...
He seems like a sadist to me. Maybe he was born that way. He was ogling the wife when she was only 10
@@WiteDahlia That is pedophilia. Period.
The daughter who escaped was very smart, even if she didn't know many words. She took an envelope with her address on it, and managed to contact the police. She had lots of courage too. What a remarkable person.
The peer that abused me when I was younger lived in a dirty house there were rats, some live and some dead. My house was rarely cleaned growing up but hers was worse.
Ummmm okay
god bless you both
🤣 what
@@ecas4315 why is that funny
These people were crazy. I remember being sick to my stomach hearing this story & the creepy thing is that they appeared like the average normal family in the pics. (going to Disney world etc) hmm... I hope those children get the help they need.
Can't wait to hear Dr. G's take on this.
15 people aged 2 to 52 all dressed in exactly the same outfit screams creepy. But normal for California.
@@Cali-Girl They did everything strategically and those children were in a very controlled environment. Why would they be hoping for the children's escape, yet chain them to beds and have them go out only at night? They weren't even allowed interactions. Nothing those parents did suggest they were hoping for an escape.
@@cazbee6126 And all with names beginning with J. That's to take away any sense of individuality and to confuse outsiders as to who is called what. I know someone with three sons with names beginning with J and the eldest of them now has children of his own. He named all of his with names beginning with E. One is called Evan and the other Ewan. Basically the same name with a letter changed.
Another great topic from Dr. Grande.
Blase
Its been mentioned here already, but I thought I'd make a further connection. People have mentioned 'people hoarding' and I think that something like that might be happening in this and other cases, along with the other facts you've mentioned.
The thing I want to add, is the stench and disarray. People that hoard animals (cats, horses, etc) often think they are doing a 'good' thing. They are in complete denial of the bad conditions, and they often put up with overwhelming stench.
Hoarders in general are able to 'overlook' the smell and refuse, because to really see them for what they are, would be to admit that there is a problem. In their heads they make excuses to make it 'acceptable'. It's only for a short time, its not that bad, there is nothing they can do, etc.
Based on how hoarding of animals works, it just really seems more work needs to be done into the 'hoarding' of children,
I just am left speechless 😶 after listening to this video. Sadists. I respect the fact you don’t run from talking about really difficult and odd cases.
He was sorry *if* he did anything to cause harm to them?
I noticed that too... What a scumbag.
Yeah the if part is truly bizzare
Key word being “if.” sounds just like my dad, abusive but not willing to admit he did anything wrong. These guys feel totally justified.
He was sorry he got caught - he was absolutely fine causing harm to his family.
Louise's belief about having 12 children reminds me of Diane Downs, who had no interest in her cnildren but appeared to find a sense of power in being pregnant. Downs also regarded her children as fungible, i.e. depersonalized units, any one being the same as any other. Dressing and naming her children alike might indicate a similar feeling on Louise's part.
I've been waiting for this one. Thank you Dr. Grande for your hard work and diligence.
Justin Beber and social media gave this 17 yr old courage. Evidently she started a CZcams channel and posted videos of her singing and she did tell a little bit about her situation and a viewer commented that what she was experiences was extremely wrong and she needed to tell someone and so she said that this comment from this Outsider had confirmed what she had been comparing her life to in comparison to the CZcams videos that she had been seeing. However I just cannot believe so many people were suspicious of something that was very strange about this family and we're not more aggressive. When it comes to children I do not hesitate for one second to intervene and to be persistent for the welfare of those poor helpless children that cannot help themselves! In eight years of marriage I only had one son and if my marriage was a good marriage I would have happily had more children. Children are such a blessing in this world and so many people don't deserve to have these wonderful precious little human beings. I am so very thankful that they were able to get out of this situation finally!
DR GRANDE SIR
I WAS SO INVESTED IN THIS FAMILY when it all first came out. I knew every detail. Thanks for covering this!!! I cried sooo much for these kids I hope they're thriving now!
Thanks for tackling such a disturbing, yet fascinating crime story. Did you ever consider tackling the case of Mary Bell? I think it would be a good video, I appreciated how you handled the case of James Bulger.
Donatella Poidomani oh true i didn’t read correctly
I had to do a report on this case back when it happened for school. Absolutely sickening. I hope the kids are alright
So humble Dr. Grande. Absolutely love your videos, short and sweet and right down to the point!❤️💕🥰🥹
Dr Grande making mental health cool😀
_"he was described as goofy, nerdy, quiet, intelligent and fugly."_
Allergic to water, too. Stinky! 🤢🤮
That wedding photo ...
@@staciesheppard2048 hehe should keep that photo. A very effective alternative at cold shower moments
😹! For real tho. & whats up with his hair?
katherine RoseMore It would be interesting to know about that.
I only found you recently, but I love your videos. Please continue making them.
Your analysis in my opion is spot on. I appreciate your professional advice to others who may come across situation as such and could save lives.
The 17 year old that escaped was courageous, Dr Grande you gave a superb balanced approach and you certainly nailed it with that word courageous. Goodness knows what was going through her mind, I pray that all the siblings eventually find a semblance of peace.
There's something in the hormones of older teens that makes them brave. My guess for the parents is shared psychosis. Thanks for reminding me of this case Dr. Grande.
Reckless/ brave: what you’re talking about seems true. I acted so stupid when I was a teenager. Did things that could easily have gotten me killed without even realizing what I was doing. I wonder if it’s just hormones or if it’s the underdeveloped brains dealing with hormones, because prior to puberty I seemed to behave far less dangerously.
@@cameronfielder4955 According to some new research brain basically rebuild itself during puberty and some parts don´t work properly, which causes the recklessness.
I also thought so. Follie aux deux(sp).
I really enjoy your videos. They are very different from the many other videos on real life crimes. Straight facts throughout the videos. I appreciate that you don't fill your videos with your beliefs, feelings, or assumptions. I am able to watch your clips and understand the whole situation without having to filter through your take on what happened. I prefer to get the facts alone. The daughter Amber in this family is an amazing young woman. Given her limited knowledge of anything due to educational neglect, she was able to get everyone help. I read that her intelligence was closer to a first graders. If that is true then she is truly a remarkable girl. I have a first grader and to think that someone who has the same knowledge as he does and was able to save 13 children is unbelievable.
I just found Dr Grande and I am fascinated and binge watching ALL the episodes!
Please do a video, (or two) on "Cutie." The producers, parents, young girls, and the criminal aspects are all terribly disturbing. Thank you
Is that on Netflix? I've been getting a lot of post on my fb feed saying the girls are being presented as looking and acting like prostitutes. I will not watch it.
@@tammiemills7986 I wouldn't say prostitutes, but yes to pornographic material. I haven't watched it; however I saw a few clips.
What criminal aspects?
@Sweet Pea yes, I was actually just now looking for something to watch on Netflix and saw that in the “award winning films” category. The little trailer for it alone was pretty disgusting. It seems like it is making the girls parents out to be mean, strict parents that are abusing the girl because they don’t want her twerking on tiktok or whatever it is. Really makes me sad what the world is becoming. I think it would do us all some good to be deprived of social media and media in general. All except for Dr. Grande videos of course 😬
@@jamiew6326 Filming, in possession of, and distributing pornographic material; as well as neglect from the parents....
Oh Dr Grande....this must of been a difficult case for you to research and analyze 😬...as it is very difficult (but necessary) for us to hear.
Thank you for going there. 🙏
Hope their kids are now experiencing safety, security and love. ❤️
Your balanced, grounded sanity is brilliant Dr Grande. *When I'm overwhelmed & struggling, it helps me a great deal to focus. **When I'm coping ok, it's genuinely fascinating.
Thank You ❤️
Thank you ❤️
Yes! Been dying for you to cover this!💝
Vacation Dr. Grande? No ma'am! Ok... Have a good week everyone! 🧡
Hey Adriana, surely he deserves one by now.....months of DAILY uploads!!!😱
@@demmimorelle4654 right!?! 🧡 we would miss him, so maybe we don't give him a vacay this year 😊
Dr Grande's description of David at the start sounds like a dating profile. He only needed to add 'wants a big family with the right woman' - sounds like a real catch! Thanks Dr G
Horrifically fascinating. Thanks for another stellar breakdown, Dr. Grande.
Thank you again Dr Grande for all your insight.
I used to work a cleaning job and could listen to youtbe my whole shift. I became obsessed with this case and spent many days and weeks looking into this. Im so excited to hear what you have to say.
Great analysis, but such a heartbreaking case.
Thank you God for my five brothers and one sister. I am very bless to have them. We love each other dearly, and we helped our 85 year old mom, however we can. 💕❤️
So interesting. I think your thoughtful analysis is spot on.
The last time I was this early I was learning about how narcissists manipulate people.
lmao
His hair says it all.
Dr Grandes...?
there are a lot of weirdo's with that same weird "do.
😂😁😄
What is it with deranged people having that hairstyle?
(Newton’s shooter, Madden shooter, and Charleston shooter).
My exact sentiments!
As someone who has been through severe domestic childhood abuse my heart breaks for those poor kids.
Those poor children. I hope they are finally being taken care of properly. I’ll never understand what these parents were thinking.
Thank you for this excellent analysis Dr. Grande!❤️
Can you imagine growing up this way with absolutely no hope and you might even think that it's normal? Those poor, pitiful children. This story makes my skin crawl.
Unimaginable, heart wrenching situation for the children. God bless them. Thank you for giving some context to the madness Dr. Grande.
Excellent analysis as always Dr. Grande
Well done Dr., your insights and diagnosis were very informative. God help these children
She knew it was abuse, even though it was all she ever knew. Also amazing she knew to call 911 and that their address was on mail.
Sick individuals. There should be screenings of people before they have children. It is not for everyone and those kids will never fully recover.
Exactly.
You can have children but that doesn’t automatically make you a parent.
Evil ones are just an egg or sperm donor.
Great video. I'm loving the pace. This case is not just abusive but very disturbing and traumatizing. I feel bad for the children and what they did.
I just learned of this story this morning. I am a hard core grunt, (emotionally strong), but I cried hearing about this.
There is nothing happy about this story, but Yo Mr Grande, Happy Saturday To You Sir!!
Thank you for another informative video Dr. Grande! 😊😊😊
Good analysis Dr G👍🏼. You need a vacation after analyzing all these interesting cases.
Evidently, the parents thought this world was hell, and were determined to keep their corner of it that way.
You are terrific!! Everything always made very clear!
Eileen UK. I have just watched a documentary on 2 of the Turpin girls but before I did l went back on your videos to see if you had covered and of course you did and I have to say your analysis was amazing as usual. After watching the interviews the 17 year old is a true hero with no thought for herself she did what she did to save all her siblings and to see those girls come out the other end and be so happy after what they went through is a joy to watch they truly are heroes as tragic as it is they have a happy ending 💖💕💖. Thank you 🙏 DR Grande for your amazing analysis 💙🌟👍