Do Violent Protests Actually Work?
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- čas přidán 19. 08. 2019
- Hong Kong protests have become increasingly violent more than two months after they were sparked by a controversial extradition bill. Do clashes with the police have a strategic value to the protests? The science of civil resistance seems to suggest that the answer is no.
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What do you think: Are violent protests effective?
Bloomberg , No
Bloomberg i dont think so
Do you get these talking points from the CCP?
I think the data is wrong. It's false association.
Violent protests might be less successful because violent protests happen mostly under extremely repressive governments. People have to literally fight for their lives.
No. But protests are.
If you make peace impossible
You make violence inevitable
Nah😳
Facts
Very wise
Josh Lee
It creates fear, which creates anger, which creates hatred which then goes on to create further violence
@@thatshyguy9573 what's your solution genius
Anyone here after the Minnesota riots?
[Raises Hand]. I was doing research on this subject since this current event has sparked my interest in researching related topics.
Yes, I was just doing research because slot of people are saying these protests are the only effective way to fight racism, but I disagree
Yes it seems everyone is so angry and quick to justify any kind of action in response to this, whether or not it actually helps. I don't think two wrongs make a right.
Dillon Burkhardt Because it’s been so effective thus far. Please, MLK and Malcom X were assassinated at peaceful demonstrations. Had the civil rights movement of 1964 been as successful as you’re implying, we wouldn’t be having this conversation yet again today. There is no change unless you wilfully demand for it to be enforced.
Midoriya what has happened since the Minnesota. The usual? A conviction? The fbi was already investigating into derick chauvin’s case this was inevitable, but he isn’t jailed yet to so what did happen because of the riots?
This sounds more like propaganda than an actual study. What about the French or American revolution for example ? Do you really believe they would have won throwing flowers and writing poems ?
replying to my comment. Ok it's obviously biased the interviewee is Director of non violent action program, US institute of peace.
Bloomberg is run by privilege liberals who never see the reality of life.They believe forcing diversity in workplace is more important than hiring the right people for the job.
They are not soldiers, how could they win the government once violence is legalized?
at least the French and American revolunist did not fight a revolution wearing masks.
That was then, now is now. Technology allows governments to monitor civilians on a scale that colonial age empires couldn't even dream of. The American and French revolutions also had a number of strategic circumstances that all culminated together to facilitate a successful revolutionary movement.
Consider this, during the American revolution, the British were extremely far away and thus unable to reinforce or resupply as quickly as colonial America. Furthermore, the French helped support the colonists.
During the French revolution the monarchy was broke and helplessly inept. Things didn't even turn out that well shortly after overthrowing the king, with a vicious period of paranoia inflicted executions followed by Napoleon.
No one had challenged china though, China is of different breed,
Future will tell
What about Taiwan?
I wonder how they'll handle us this time. I mean, they can roll out the tanks but Hong Kong isn't a closed off city nor is it outside international attention like Beijing was in 1989
But what about a certain massacre at a certain square that totally didn't happen.
No one challenges U S A, the biggest bully on planet earth.
Westerners : "Violence never works"
Asia Government : "Violence? what are you talking about , we're just talking care of "Rebels" of the state"
i understand that violent protests arent right but whenever a situation is so terrible it deserves to be answered with violence because thats the only way people understand
Although the data says otherwise, and there is no concrete evidence to support the fact that violence works as a form of activism, but yeah “It dEsERVes tO Be aNswEreD wiTH VioLEnCe”
@@nathanflynn6092 peaceful protest didn't work either, remember Kaepernik? He and his buddies tried the peaceful protest, but all they got was a shitstorm, even from the President of the USA.
If violent protest doesn't work and peaceful protest doesn't work, what do you think will work?
Schiwi M so the man, and his supporters that Kaepernik was directly opposed to didn’t like it when people disagreed with him. You also conveniently left out the bit where Kaepernik recurved tons of support from social media from his advocacy. Cmon man, this was a bad example
@Pepe and america also didn't like it, he got shot and killed.
Apparently black people are not allowed to protest...
Violent protests usually affect others not involved in the conflict. There are hundreds of videos of violent "protesters" attacking cars and breaking windows and attacking drivers just because they want to get home.
You know things need to change when millions of people stand up for a cause against the government
Ukraine perfect example violent protests work
They do sometimes, these governments understand force...look at zimbabwe, the police went after sitting protesters as if they were Nazis....should the citizenry keep calm?
The problem I have here, is how do you measure what is a “success”? Violent protesting had “success” so what was the situation and change that occurred compared to non-violent.
Charge the cops, all of them, and prison sentences commensurate with the injustice. Let's start with that. And then sweeping changes across the police force to reduce the violence they inflict on black people and create ACTUAL ACCOUNTABILITY instead of their ridiculous citizen complaint's offices which never do more than give them verbal "reprimands" for complaints even when the complaints are about brutality and excessive force. Black people have been asking for the same exact thing for decades, peacefully marching has got us NOWHERE..
While i condem all vilence, i think that violent protests are waking up the law makers
@@natra361 Agree with everything you said but you gotta stop thinking the cops are out to get blacks anymore and statistics can prove it. Remember Daniel Shaver? Unarmed and begging for his life at gunpoint, but the police gunned him down anyways on camera and yet they still get to keep their jobs.
A combination of Violent and none violent protest work best.................Slavery ended because uprisings and definitely not Africans just sit on there hands and praying.
And apart from attitudes towards it changing and there being an entire war over it
Maybe america needs a second civil war to get rid of all the racists again
In Ukraine, yes. In Hong Kong, no way.
Nonviolence is an objective. If you are not willing to see it through, you should never stand up.
Seeing it through and protest fails, why not? 😂
Define "work"
When peaceful protestors are slaughtered by communist aggression, world opinion changes in support for the protestors.
When there were no violent protests in the United States, the United States said that violent protests in Hong Kong were a beautiful landscape, and they condemned the Hong Kong police. When the same violent protests took place in the United States and the police began to use violence to quell them, the United States began to say that violent protests were useless.
Violent protesting is always right
Propapanda
For what
@@alexandrepradoo1087 they want you to be civil and non violent
it's a video
I'm wondering which historical protest all over the world that American didn't play a role in.
Manchester Dr. Mike America export democracy to other countries and it’s safe for itself
I mean Hong Kong's protest from my understanding had nothing to do with the U.S. I think at least. It was Britan who won and got Hong Kong in the First Opium War and kept it for a time and then handed it over to China in 1997 and they promised life wouldn't change for them for 50 years
which is why the protests are happening because China cut their time short.
Western media only clipped the footage presents “ democracy”. Sure, Chinese government do the same things, but there is no double that this is a highly organized riot under NED or CIA interferes. Hong Kong’s booming because of giant mainland market raise. The private banking, real estate industry and ocean shipping, there all depends upon her mother China.
Not violent campaigns are more successful than violent ones: persuasion is more powerful than force.
Violent protest occurs when a corrupt government rejects coversation/negotiation
@@UberM3n “A riot is the voice of the unheard,”
No, it isnt
what planet do you live on?
Wrong topic, there's no definition of "violence protest" but only RIOT
yes,it will work, it works on the termination of one country with two system.
I think we should always have our voices heard . I've got to agree with the lady that said if there's something a rye then say goodbye!
What people fail to realize is that yes MLK was able to carry out peaceful protests but that doesn’t underscore the impact of people like Malcom X who found the use of violence to be crucial in a point of desperation. If the American people didn’t believe in violent protest, we wouldn’t be provided the right to form a militia.
1. What YOU failed to realize is that it does somewhat underscores the use of violence. It’s almost like you haven’t read the research on nonviolent resistance and violent resistance. I shouldn’t shocked by this since people like you aren’t intellectually honest. LITERALLY NONVIOLENCE HAS BEEN SHOWN TO BE MORE EFFECTIVE THAT VIOLENCE BY 2 TO 1.
2. The right to form a militia is more tied to the Second Amendment and the country’s historical context than an endorsement of violent protests as a preferred means of social change.
1. Also, using the second amendment and associating the right to form a militia with a justification for violent protest oversimplifies the complexities of constitutional interpretation and historical context that often surrounds the Second Amendment.
4. Do your research!!!!! Stop trying to use Malcom X as an excuse to use violence. Because what you will find out either the easy way or the hard way is that violence will only give the government an excuse to slaughter people like you. Do you honestly think that a government like the US doesn’t have a well organized and coordinated plan (let alone the resources) to repress any violent extremism that may arise???? If for some chance you do, then ask yourself these big questions: What type of violence are you gonna do?; And to what end?; If the violence starts, you don’t you think the government is gonna have A LOT MORE FIREPOWER than you or whatever extremist group you’re are a part of? At what coast are you willing to pay?; And what if your answer is ANY, then what does that say about you and your morality? What does that say about your character that you’re willing to allow countless to get slaughtered in order to achieve the end results? And another major question to ask yourself: If the violent resistance fails and hundreds of thousands are killed as a result, how will you explain this senseless violence to the judge when it is your time in court, and how will you explain this to society? Without asking yourself these questions, you should not even think about taking arms against a government? But chances are that you that the government can’t represent these types of resistances, so perhaps you’re not gonna consider the ramifications/ repercussions.
Violence against people doesn’t work but sabotage against important infrastructure and production equipment does. Even the refusal of workers to use essential equipment can have the same effect.
Ask the French revolution.
And the Soviets, and the Haiti revolution, and the American revolution, and Vietnam, and afganistan,
Should I go on?
Keven 93 then again those were revolutions and total governmental change. Protests on the other hand focuses on social change
@@kevincastro1927 non violent : Orange revolution, People Power Revolution, Portuguese Revolution, Iranian Revolution 79, Velvet Revolution, Singing Revolution/Baltic chain
a riot isn't a revolution. They just want to be heard. Don't compare a revolution to a protest.
What they are telling you it's ok for the police to be violent with you but you are not allowed to fight back.
"...when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security." -Declaration of Independence, 1776
I am open to be a victim to any violent protest
Protests stops when CIA runs out of funding.
this makes no sense whatsoever. how are you gonna claim that peaceful (or violent) protests are better when every protest is asks for different things, from different leaders?
“Peoples do not judge in the same way as courts of law; they do not hand down sentences, they throw thunderbolts; they do not condemn kings, they drop them back into the void; and this justice is worth just as much as that of the courts.”
― Maximilien Robespierre
Martin Luther king wouldn’t
Want this 😞
@Tom Tříska 🇨🇿
I’ve participated in two violent protests. One in China hurling rocks to a Japanese-brand mall amid the Japanese occupation of an controversial island, another in Paris as the biggest yellow vest protest where we destroyed Champs-Élysées and burned Arc de Triomphe. I’d say both times we succeeded: the mall closed for more than 3 months and the French president halts his controversial policy launch. Based on my previous experiences, I believe Beijing will make some compromises this time
What *DATA* did you use? Show your source
amazing how short-minded egoistic and ignorant people in the comments section are
I can't tell if the extreme-ness of the protests' demands were taken into account and factored out. You'd think that protests by minority groups wanting sovereignty in general would be less effective than those demanding the resignation of a single elected public official.
Make love, not war; and if they take away your love, give them war.
Hell no
Why not mention videos of mobs destroying public property
Yes
Hong Kong protest are not violent. The problem is that you are calling them violent.
You from hong kong?
Lmao
Not totally true, there are violence in some amount. the peaceful protester has not discouraged the violence, which is confusing to the world
@@Daniel-oy3ut the problem with hk is there is group of people want to do it non-violently, and other group of people who is anti-China. Namely, apple daily, falungong and corrupt officers from mainland China. I felt these anti-China people is trying to manipulate this protest to a anti-China protest, which is off the orginal purpose (withdraw the extradition bill).
I meant when you look at hk reddit group you will see some guys try to proof that the protest is peaceful, meanwhile other group of people posting anti-China campaign on it.
Also, hk reddit is hijecked by these people. Right now, you wont be able to post anything that shows different opinions or views.
That's not true. There are tons of videos filmed by the protesters themselves showing violent and aggressive behavior towards not just the police, but regular people, HKers and mainland Chinese alike.
In hindsight we can see how this didn’t work.
The data is so flawed... I guess you forgotten about 2014 Ukraine coup backed by our US tax dollars of $5 billion that funded the Maidan Party as a few key members from the US State Dept. were not shy to admit it and of course under the guise of Pro-Democracy when in fact Ukraine was a Moderate Democracy government and the only difference that Ukraine's President was Pro-Russia and not on board with the US/EU/NATO accord and cut ties from Russia to favor the west that would follow a EU membership and to establish a US/NATO presence in Ukraine that would also complete the Bush's Missile Defense Shield System that requires 3 nations being Poland, Czech Republic, and Ukraine to have a complete operating component system...
There were also US government contracted mercenaries on the ground in Ukraine as there is video evidence uploaded to CZcams by local media press and hearing the voices and threats from this mercs was clearly American...
The Maidan Nationalist protesters had taken Ukraine by force that was backed by US foreign interests and ousted the democratically elected president... Obama threatened the government of Ukraine not to interfere nor harm the protesters and allow the 'peaceful' protest of the people... the world saw the end result of murder and mayhem of Ethnic Russians and Pro-Russian Ukrainians!
Gee, all of that money that was given to the Interim government of Ukraine coming support funding from several countries and even IMF loans as that ended up disappearing to the corrupt officials and they are broke and Poroshenko failed to get more money but managed to get military aid support from NATO and the US... the newly elected President Zelensky is again asking for a new IMF load when they cannot pay back the other loans given and is seeking business trade deals and investment with other nations to get out of the black-hole of debt among other domestic problems Ukraine is suffering besides still waging their war against 2 self proclaimed Republics of Donbas and Lugansk!
Why didn’t the Chinese just have a peaceful protest in Nanking. The Japanese would’ve sympathize
The French revolution was violent but it worked to overthrow monarchism.
Every situation is different. In the CCP regime, peaceful protest in Tiananmen square 1989.6.4 was brutally crashed. They even boast that was an excellent decision, and it is their examplar to deal with all opposition movement. Thousands of Tibet monks burnt themselves alive achieved nothing. What Hong Kong protesters are trying to do is to disrupt Hong Kong in order to hurt CCP financially. Will they success? who knows. But I admire their courage.
Its effective..don"t let them fool you...try it in real life..1on1..if someone disrespects you..give him a hard smack so his ears ring and see the surprise..not only on his face but in your💓
Says who?
01:15 this
Gotta say, I haven't seen the source of that, though
says them ( u know brow)
why people fight one another and be divided? why not go against the few who call the shots that make problems arise and the police and civilians gang up on them? laws are twisted sometimes and so does debt of gratitude.
I agree with non-violence, No violence 🙅🏻♀️
3:17
1984
What about 2002 hypocrites
Sino-British Joint Declaration?
I'm a little confused. What ever happened to the example of Martin Luther King?? Did he die for nothing???
This comment section hasn't aged well.
No only peacful ones
They do here where we have guns and the military will join us if Marshall law is ever declared. Besides, if Marshall law was enacted all of the military could only contain the city of dalas and fort Worth...we don't have enough man power for anything else
What would Martin Luther king have wanted... think on that
I'm sure he'd be very pleased.
Malcolm X was a valid civil rights leader as well just because you advocate for violence against a violent state does not make your actions invalid.
it looks peaceful to me
correlation is not causation
I thought this meant do they have a job ?
The better question is: Protest is the path to violence?
If you can talk with manner then maybe your demand is worth considering, but if you behave violently, sorry NO!
Government should be people's tool not the other way round. Maybe u have different intepretation but government dont just appear out of nowhere without people.
Hongkong wont be another Ukraine
Polygraph
Wtf u smoking Bloomberg. Who paid you?
Peace is only an option for the privileged.
Exactly!
British People :- PEACEFUL PROTESTERS MUST NOT BE SHOT , So inhuman actions!!
Me As Indian :- Hol Up ! Maybe My Grandpa Has Seen This Before....
Reginald Dyer :- Whatchu Mean ? THIS IS BRAND NEW SCENE !! I DUNNO WHATCHU talking ABOUT
Grandpa:- Ah Shitzzz.. Maybe i do know how this will end
they have no choice.
Wrong topic,change it to "will Hongkong`s riot actually work?". Please report the truth ,do your job Bloomberg. I live Shenzhen, I know what happened.
@Teringventje Yes, you are absolutely right! China is an authoritarian government that can sound very bellicose， we lose the freedom and the media is brainwashing the people. And they are so fool that they even didn`t realize that.
@Teringventje
Something you don't know doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
This world does need peace and anti-racism, but violence and revenge never solves anything. It’s just gonna make our lives more miserable!
But sometimes violence is necessary to accomplish your task do you think at first america didnt try to leave the United Kingdom peacefully?
They did and it resulted in the Boston Massacre where people were killed because they wanted change and while they were aggressive by some accounts that dosen't mean you just kill them because they wanted freedom so the only other solution was to fight. Sadly
@@louiswinters2265 That was a whole independence, don't compare it to racism. We are talking about how to solve these racists acts. It's not like a whole army of racists were gonna start a war with us, and come on, it's not realistic.
@@johnsongonzales2121 it's a group that wants something that's all it boils down to
If your violent protest is not working, it means you are not using enough violence.
Facts. When you have sufficient enough violence to overpower and overthrow the most powerful then you become the most powerful by default. Common sense.
so what's the protest purpose in HK? to get independence? that's impossible, if things go into that way, i think military intevention is necessary, and there is already a PLA's Hong Kong garrison in HK; to stop the extradition bill? the bill has been already cancelled, so what's exactly the protest's purpose now? i can't get it.
Colin Yuan Many people sells this concept to the young people, and they believe it is possible. So sad!
Do violent protests work? I dont know... but the american revolution seemed pretty successful.
Pluto : True when you have the army
@@fin3c15 militias. It was citizens against the british army, thats why the 2nd is important.
Martin Luther King Jr talked about the 4 steps to a non violent resistance in a letter when he was locked up in Birmingham jail. 1)Check the facts to determine if there is injustice. 2)try to negotiate 3) self purification, which means are you willing to fight your inner demons urge to give up or retaliate before he can fight the unjust society? And lastly 4) direct action.
The civil rights movement was filled with violent protest.
@@NullSeries Do your research
The CCP approved message lol
Violence is a natural response when your freedoms and liberty are being threatened. The Hong Kong population have every right to use any tool in their resistance agianst tyranny.
Are you implying there's violence in HK's peaceful protests? How dare you!
Tiannam square part two coming soon
i don't believe that. Too much focus on it with today's medias
@@r3dp1ll hopefully your right
Ukraine. Yes.
lies
3:15 Ooh, Tony Stark
Does any of the campaigns in the research fought against the biggest authoritarian regime of the world?
谢谢，为香港发声
香港市民はとても冷静に、とても上手に行動を起こしています
逆に体制側の方がヒステリックなのが浮き彫りになりました
Jrロッキン・ジロー ター確かおしゃった通り、体制側は歴史的な問題があると思っております。けれど、本当に冷静だと思いますか？
Hoping Japan become a real country, you know the history you know the why.
No!... But they do hope this protest will erupted on others Chinese cities for sure!
I will answer that question. Violent protests will work if the people keep it up and keep attacking.
Did Jacob slick something to his son Joseph there? Genesis 59:25. Lol. Proverbs 5:19.
So who is going to tell Antifa?
One can be persuaded by reason but not by force. Rioters have lost, they should backdown, think about what they actually want to achieve, and try again peacefully in a few years with an actual reform proposal
Ask Russia, they'd rather die fighting for their country
There are protests for fair elections every Saturday in Moscow.
Imagine your representative is not even let to be in the ballot. That’s how bad it is.
And the most violent thing was that someone threw a coffee cup...
The police acts violently. They broke a leg, punched a woman in stomach and gave a head injury to a candidate.
Clearly they're not violent enough.