Greece train crash protests turn violent as victims identified
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- čas přidán 3. 03. 2023
- Tuesday's head-on collision between a passenger train and a freight train in Greece was so catastrophic that many of the 57 people killed have had to be identified using their DNA.
In the days since the accident, Greek train services have been at a standstill with rail workers in protest at what they say is the failure of successive governments to improve rail safety.
And across the country thousands of people have joined angry demonstrations demanding accountability.
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A really important fact here is, the Greek government passed a union busting law where union strikes can be made illegal. Rail unions tried multiple times (in the past) to strike over safety, yet their strikes were "illegal" and were forced to work! Working conditions where 24hours are covered by two people on temporary (6month) contracts.
My fellow Brits, support your unions! I am sure no rail worker can bear in their consciousness, loss of human life under their watch. Either because they were tired or made a mistake.
Greece communist dominated unions and endless leftist riots carry a great deal of the responsibility for Greece's massive debt. Rather than focus on the private sector they turned Greece into a quasi-communist state . it took us getting broke to go back to focusing on the private sector.
You are totally right I work for the ERU, for the railways and have seen a considerable decline in maintenance where train drivers are complaining about the condition of the track, our government want to put legislation to stop us striking, will the blood be on their hands when people die due to similar incident. Lack of funding and the lying media stating that we are striking because of pay and condition is a blatant lie. The axe will fall on the individual that didn’t do the maintenance and they will receive corporate manslaughter charges. We live in worrying times as neglect is causing these types of disasters. Transport minister Grant Shappes is an incompetent fool, worrying times for our railways in England 🏴.
The Marxist -dominated unions strike on a nearly daily basis in Greece. The law does not prevent strikes but only certain types of disruptive strikes that hold the public hostage.
Britain had two train collisions, not counting the Isis bomb of 2004.
Union strikes can and should in many case be made illegal. This is not right and sad, but many unions abuse their right to hold a strike. Working conditions were 3 people for 24h and 1 of them was on leave the other one just left earlier. The crime is no government actually cared for the rail network for over 20 years.
Greek sisters and brothers, I am so sorry for what happened 😢😢 condolences from Serbia ❤️ ❤
Thank you, our Serbian brother!
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😔🙏💐🇬🇷💔 Ευχαριστούμε αγαπητή φίλοι για την συμπαράσταση
thank you so much! love from Greece
Love greece ♡ from Türkiye
love back
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With you greek people. From France
send some protestors for support
Our heartfelt prayers and our love and hearts from all Americans, all the victims families. And to the entire nation if Greece and every Greek!
Thank you kindly for your humanitarian sympathy for this tragic loss of innocent lives
@@supercat380 your welcome have a blessed day.
The most thing that i love about Greek people can be this. Anarcism and riot to something or someone have their bloods. They have no fear and this is amazing. Wish we could be like you at least but our spirit of insurrection are pressured for so many years. Anyway my and many people's condolonces are with you. I'm so sorry for this, unfortunately we had really bad days and this is still keep going. We'll through these days together, stay strong and speak loudly for everyone! 🇬🇷❤🇹🇷
Thank you neighbors. Hopefully one day both our nations can be democracies again.
@@Anonymous_UserOrNotWe'll do this together my friend. I belive.
They have no fear with NO GUNS. But the Americans with all their guns are sheep cowards playing along and doing nothing
Greetings from Greece! My condolences to the Turkish people who suffered from the earthquakes. 🇬🇷❤️🇹🇷
@@foivosarvanitis776 ευχαριστώ πολύ 🇬🇷❤️🇹🇷
As an ex-railwayman I do not understand how this accident happened. The usual systems in place on the railways in general should have made this crash impossible. I can only conclude those systems were not in place.
You would be correct. These systems were bought in as far back as 2000 but were never installed, and there were no automatic ones in place; everything was done manually, and even the stationmaster had no clue what was going on.
Thats exactly what happened
A system was bought back in 2000s and has yet to be installed....
Railway was depending on people making decisions based on old system, a situation that has led to numerous accidents so far - but not as deadly as this one...
But most of all, i would say the 2 main reasons that system is not working are the 2010s debt crisis and certainly corruption in railways and in politics as well
You are correct. Even the traffic lights weren't working at that part of the line. The traffic manager was pre-occupied with another faulty train, changed the procedure and he forgot to turn a key.
It was staged
I read earlier that some of the tracking technology that still exists on the railway was installed by the Nazi Germans when they invaded Greece in 1941, need I say more?
My prayers are with the people of Greece. My deepest condolences for family friends and community. May these souls rest in peace 💖🙏🕊🇺🇸
Get this: as mentioned in this video, the Greek government stated that they would form a committee to investigate the causes of the accident. And one of the three people they announced as a member used to be the head of OSE, the state-owned organization that used to run the trains and owned the network, the company that he himself led to ruin in order to justify its privatization, the man under whose watch most security systems that were previously operational just seized and remained that way up to this accident. They wanted to appoint him to investigate himself. That's how cynical, blatantly corrupt and completely oblivious towards our lives the Greek government is and that is why so many people end up protesting about a train accident. Plus, the newly appointed minister of transport is the guy who told us during the pandemic that it's no big deal that we do not have enough ICUs because that's where you go when you're dying.
Exactly! He has now stepped down due to public pressure but it absolutely shows the ruling class's apathy. Workers, students and young soldiers use these trains, not the wealthy so they don't care!
I'm still wondering where the 70 million euros the EU gave Greece to update their rail safety went.
@@Buttercup697 This must be the total cost of the investment, but I guess it would take a full judicial inquiry to find out. I can tell you though that during this time of just wasting 70 millions, the whole organization running the trains was privatized for just 45 million - having separated the trains from the network, so the trains became a private company making profits and the network remained public, being run at a loss, understaffed and underfunded. And while everybody knew they were no safeguards, transportation by train was allowed to go on. In Greece there are less than a handful of construction companies that undertake almost all works under terms that always seem scandalous. Τheir most common pattern is that due to government corruption and creative incompetence, the agreements they sign are intentionally vague, allowing them to fail to keep their promises and still require more money. In this particular case, an agreement between Ellaktor and Alstom was signed in 2014 to get the European Train Control System working and this was supposed to be fulfilled in 2016. Then the companies were in conflict regarding their requirements and the terms of European funding, leading work to a halt. In 2018 this led to a supplementary agreement, increasing costs by 13 million, but the companies still didn't fulfill the terms of the agreement, so a new agreement led to work restarting in 2021, which failed to deliver the system in time to prevent the accident. Needless to say that during this time, work has been done only to be dismantled and changed. I can only imagine how many instances of incompatibilities and outdated solutions have come up. The government claim that around 70% of work is complete, but whatever that is supposed to mean, the practical result is that in a country where train transportation is effectively reduced to 500 km between the two largest cities, most of this route is being run without signaling, let alone collision warnings and breaking.
@@Buttercup697 to their pockets my friend
@@nickiacovou2846 Just more ignorant Marxist rhetoric. Far lefist Greeks helped create our massive government debt with their endless shameless demands for handouts.. They expect the government service level of Swedes then, unlike the Swedes, undermine our private sector that pays taxes that fund the government.. While Sweden produces advanced technology Greek leftists pick olives, serve drinks and whine.
It pains me to say this as a Greek, but the far leftist idiocy in Grece has reach reached the absurd point where now the most popular leftwing party in Greece is lead by a Marxist. Greek lelftists waste no opportunity to blame the government for all of Greece's ills.. including exploiting this tragedy. It's this parasitic mentally of expecting the government to fix everything rather than focus on private sector that drove Greece's economy into the ground.
Συγγνώμη για το ατύχημα του τρένου... Εύχομαι ίαση στους τραυματίες... Εύχομαι υπομονή σε όσους χάθηκαν.να γίνει καλά γείτονα....................tren kazası için üzüldüm...yaralılar için şifa diliyorum...kayıpları olanlara sabır diliyorum.geçmiş olsun komşu😪😪😪🤲🤲🤲🙏
Thank you, I wish the best to you, too...
Thank you@@vkleanthis 💛🙏🙏🙏
Thank you neighbor and I wish the best for the injured from the earthquakes.
@@yiannisanastasopoulos4514my prayer is with you
@@yiannisanastasopoulos4514 Thank you to all
What a sad tragedy 💐 my prayers for the victims and their families. I hope that the families can find their inner strength to cope with their heartbreaking loss💜🙏🕊️🇬🇧
Pray for Ohio
@@Motorhead538 yeah the Clapham junction crash, it was awful. There was a huge one in Ohio the other week. So sad.
@@xiakucao I saw that, it was terrible
@@Motorhead538 just read of another crash in Ohio, this time at a place called Springfield, there was one a couple of weeks ago. What do you think is going on in Ohio??!!☮️🇬🇧
@@victoriatampling5049 hi to uk from athens greece !!! Sorry for my not so good english.... Victoria some people saying about god's will but i dont believe to that its a mistakes of people that leads to tragick accidents... ohio its the same thing ... greece know 113 dead !!!! Young people students most of them ...
Support from Bulgaria to our Greek brothers!
Thank you, Orthodox Bulgarian brother.
You Bulgarians should not be allowed to join the euro currency as for Greece they will eventually be forced back into the drachma in the next 10 years
The Greek people are right to do this. When the powerful treat their fellow humans like they don’t matter sometimes they need to be reminded that they do.
For those of us who love and know Greece, there are 3 key elements that are part of this tragedy: Corruption, poor "technology", and lack of organization.
You seem as you know nothing about my country Greece. In the last 4 years of the curent goverment, Greece have made a tremendously come back from the past crisis. We are top performers among the adavanced economies in GDP growth, reforms, digitalizasion, trust etc etc. During Covid pandemic, the greek system was top perforer in vaccination for example. Aour civic defence, respond more directly than any other peer to peer organization in the west (example the rescue respond in the train crush), our overal infastructure -metro, highways, ports etc etc etc, is among the most advanced in western europe. The armed forces in highter readiness compared to others in europe. So dont put in the table stereotypes based on a single train event. Greece has a total reset as an advanced countrie. Now tell me how third world is countries like, germany, uk, usa, with tens of train inciddents every year.
@@kostaskladianos2809 I'm greek too and can confidently say you're either not greek or you're a party slave and have no idea what you're saying.
@@kostaskladianos2809 I am Greek and proud to be Greek but unfortunately Marlon is correct and as long as we do not recognize and accept this nothing will ever change...
@@kostaskladianos2809 Sometimes its ok to swallow the reality pills for the betterment of all.
@@chariklaki7627 bullshits
Am sorry for each lost ❤️😞 🇬🇷
As someone who’s taken this train, once, this news is horrific. I knew that the Greek railway needed updating but it’s way overdue, especially if these types of errors take place. Sending condolences to Greek families and friends.😢
It would be nice if we had better everything. Unfortunately, we are largely broke because large numbers of leftwing extremists in our country think they are entitled to the government perks of Swedes... but without producing like Swedes in the private sector. They constantly exploit tragedies and inefficiencies to justify more government spending... when we don't actually have the money to spend (thus our massive debt).
Our left isn't like the moderate left in most western countries which embraces aspects of both capitalism and socialism The left in Greece is unfortunately closer to the ranting anti-capitalists of Cuba. Our main left party Syriza is run by a Marxist that praised 50-year communist dictator Castro and even shamelessly named his poor kid "Che" after communist terrorist Che Guevara.
They act like wealth grows on government money trees rather than extracted from taxes from the private sector. If the private sector is not strong, there is no money to give money to services... thus you end up with situations like this..
And our private sector can't get strong to gain the productivity advantages of economies of scale because every time there is little money our far left treat Greek company's income as their personal piggy banks.
This video... showing violent Anarchists and Marxists that exploit these sorts of tragedies for political ends is a prime example of this extreme behaviour.
Greek guy here:
1) The protest was NOT violent. With zero warning police teargased peacefull protesters - one of them being an actual passenger in the train crash who survived(!).
2) The train station manager was appointed without having any real experience for the job by connections in the goverment as it is the case for a lot of public jobs in Greece. Before this position it is said that he was a baggage handler...
3) As guilty as he certainly is he's gonna be the scapegoat..the actual criminals are all goverments from all political factions that have ruled in the past 50 years. Not taking ownership of mistakes and just being very good at taking infrastructure funds along with our taxes and making them disappear in cahoots with contractors and even foreign companies(like the Siemens scandal).
Not Violent because you are Neo Greek. Still sleeping. Ηλιθιε κατασκεύασμα
We are living in such sad/hard times, globally. Let us hope for a new direction for humanity.
As humans only tend to change and grow after horrible expierences and suffering, God has no choice but to make them happen...we all deep down knew, humanity is going in the wrong direction for a very long time now, straight to self destruction. World events in the past 3 years are course correction( the chain of horrible things happening all over the world), but look how much we all grown since then....this is not the last tragedy though.... We are still in process....
Political and business corruption upon the profits was the main cause of the murder of 57 people. We spent a billion of euros in military for safety and not for transportation, health, education ect...It is not a human mistake. Imagine a control tower for airways without technology (all manually.. 😠) The corruption and business deals was the cause. Bless all the people. 😢
@@mydogsbutler First of all i am not a leftist. All the government since 2000 had responsibility for this murder. It was not an accident. The ministry of transportation did not supervise effectively the railway companies. Imagine a control tower for airways without technology..
What a tragedy !! This is no mistake as Greek government say ? It is neglect by government ! And Prime Minister also caring the responsibility? This ministers working for him ? So sorry for the families what lost the kids ! It is the hardest think in life to walk behind child casket 😢😢😢 I Prise the Greek people for standing out ! Take the criminals to justice ! Lots love from 😢🇵🇱
Hear hear!!
Since 2020. Those who used the train since then live by luck and are also angry cause it could have been them
It's a state crime. A crime the state did on purpose. They were lying about the lawsuits the workers filed about the lack of safety and said "if we were honesy no one would ever buy a ticket" ON TV
I was taking this train ALL THE TIME.This could be me.This could be us.They didn't even return bodies to the families,they returned pieces of flesh.Almost all the dead people that died were young students returning from a 3 day holiday. I'm speechless.
WE DEMAND ANSWERS AND SOMEBODY TO TAKE THE FALL.It can't be all because of 1 person.
THEY ALWAYS SAY THERE'S NO MONEY TO COVERT THEIR CRIMES...OUR DEEPEST CONDOLENCES....YOU WILL OVERCOME EVIL ONCE AND FOR ALL GOOD GREEK PEOPLE...💞 ♥️
Government negligence not updating railroads. Insanity. Thoughts and prays with Greece.
Mitsotakis government has avoided repairs to upgrade the train system the last 4 years plus the same from Tsipras the previous government.. so the horrific train crash was from lack of negligence not human error but criminal act and the punishment fit the crime and human loss.. prayers to my fellow Greeks my condolences to Greece our mother land 🖤🇬🇷
Your advice is to spend other people's money . Why don't you pay out of pocket comrade? Oh right. You, unsurprising expect the government to pay, ie..other taxpayers, rather than fix things in the private sector. And your exact parasitic mentality is what drove our government finances into the ground and created a nation of whining Marxist brats.
In case you didn't notice the Greek government is broke with huge amounts of debt comrade. And that's largely because of self-righteous leftwing extremists, like you, that incompetently undermine our private sector by foolishly thinking we have the resources to fund our government like Swedes do.
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Reality check... Swedes produce a lot of products in the private sector to fund their government programs. They are very corporate-friendly from tax perspective. Most Greeks leftists on the other hand are manual labours that have very low productivity and shamelessly vote for Marxists.. With no private sector.. .no money for your generous government spending programs comrade.
Greeks like you make me ill. You represent everything wrong with Greece. You've learned absolutely nothing from our debt mistake. Rather than focus on the private sector you are still blaming the government for everything and still whining for the government to fix everything.
My other half is Greek and left there because the entire country is utterly broken. No opportunities, no society, no quality of life. This is just a symbol of the utterly diabolical state of affairs there. He is embarrassed to be Greek and isn’t even shocked that a tragic incident like this happened, given the total apathy from the government. Other than ripping their citizens off for every last penny they have, to pay off the abhorrent levels of debt THEY got their country into. Sounds like an ominous premonition of what is gradually happening here.
So true. The people here however are convinced they can't have anything better than that.
A greek myself confirm what he says. the greek regime is an enemy of the people. i am surprised such things do not happen more frequently
@@perseusarkouda majority of Greeks never left Greece even for short holidays, they dont even realize how bad things here are realated to other countries...
@@eglutis05 you also have to consider though Greece has had record emigration in recent years, most of them young too because they realise the better opportunities they can get elsewhere.
Nope the Greeks have always had massive tax evasion and corruption problems long b4 they joined the Euro Currency and the EU so blaming the government for everything is wrong all parties in Greece are corrupt along with most of the population it's a cultural issue the year b4 Greece joined the Euro currency their debt gdp ratio was 100% when it should have been less then 30% they shouldn't have been allowed to join the euro currency EU yes Euro currency NO
So sad 😰 My prayers for the victims and families ♡ May God help ..
The European Union (and Greece) should concentrate on improving the welfare of their citizens instead of supporting war in Ukraine! 🙄
My thoughts and prayers to the people of Greece! 🙏
a man (the station manager) has to live with this burden of 40 deaths on his concience but its not his fault. he made a mistake but the responsibility is with the government. there have been so many warnings this IS going to happen. i feel so sad that these young people lost their lives becuae for 20 years policiticans procrastinated, THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE!!!!!!
The Station Master is already facing a life sentence. Until we know exactly how the trains happened to be on the same line, going in different directions, head.on to each other, we should reserve judgement. He is not solely responsible.
While I don’t disagree with you about government negligence, one could argue this still wouldn’t have happened at all if he didn’t tell the driver to proceed through the RED signal
57 deaths
@@reececollison5101 there wasn't any light. There were safety measures installed but NEVER USED. Government both current and previous ones are a bunch of murderers.
He had a job to do and failed to do it. The government isn't responsible for that. What could be argued is more money should be spent in public infrastructure but with 200 percent debt/gdp ratio that government's hands are largely tied.
Very sad,
RIP the victims.
🙏💐💝🕊️
The most bizarre thing is that in the upcoming elections in few months we are going to vote the same politicians from all parties that bring us to this chaos. Greece: The place of pure insanity and chaos
Chaos is a strong word.
There is no chaos when the rescue teams managed to cope with this tragedy in 10 minutes.
The country is a stable democratic state .
@@MrKappasdio it's a stable corrupt 3rd world democracy, where the pople are monkeys living on trees, and one monkey turns to the other and says "scratch my back and I'll scratch yours", as long as It works like this and no one does anything, they'll just keep electing the same 3 people/parties that keep making fools of the greek people, amd they'll deserve what's coming tbh.
@@MrKappasdio what are you smoking????
@@MrKappasdio That's why this country never developed. Because they believe that this is a stable democratic state. Greece tried to be a western European democratic state from 1830 but never succeeded.
@@TheManX023 guys says 3rd world democracy, then go to North Korea or any African nation fellow Greek, you will feel right at home.
The Prime Minister released a statement this morning that acknowledges institutional failures resulting from incompetence over many years, and said that blaming human error was insufficient. Greece has long suffered from endless bureaucracy, ineffective policy, disrespect for laws and general dysfunctionality. I really really really hope this is a turning point.
Alas, there cannot and there will not be a turning point for Greece. This country went to the dogs after the debt crisis of 2010.
Greece's number one issue since the 80s.. it suffers from very poor productivity in the private sector. Change will not happen in earnest if that is not fixed first because there will be no tax base to fund generous safety and service programs Greek leftists expect for themselves.
It pains me to say this as a Greek, around half the Greek population are far-left extremists. Thus the first step to improving Greece is to change the mentality that the government is responsible for all of Greece's ills. Unless this parasitic mentality changes we will just repeat the same mistakes of spending government money. What we should be doing is using regulation in smart ways (i.e. that doesn't harm the private sector) to help the private sector fix things instead.
God Bless🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷💙💙💙💙
Crime is that the trains tracks are even today a public company…. Public factor in Greece is a joke.
Prayers go out to you ..what you are living through ...
in greece and turkey always same problems happens, but greeks always on streets, türks still support government ...
Wow, I can't believe a railway worker, train engineer, would go through a red light on a verbal authority. Btw the conductor is in charge of the train. Greece's railway system is way out of date and needs to be ABS.
Why two trains were going in opposite directions on the same track of a double-track railway? In other words, why one of the trains was on the wrong track?
Cause someone didn't do his job right. And there was no fail-safe mechanism.
,..thats why we shout
It was a Crime not accident. Politics since 2007 after Olympics have made terrible National disaster and clear genocide in Greece. The people already is aware of they for years wanted to let this tragedy happened. Since 80s these trains were never upgraded and all the democratic bow always avoided to upgrade them with optical hearing system and safe brakes. They did wanted this crime to be happened. PASOK SYRIZA NEA DEMOCRATIA shout others criminals that supported Greece with anyway they could But these 3 are the only Criminals that made terrible things in Greece
God bless the families that have lost loved ones, this is such a horrible tragedy. It makes me so sad to here. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻😱😱
So sad
𝔽𝕚𝕣𝕤𝕥 🇹🇷 𝕒𝕟𝕕 𝕟𝕠𝕨 🇬🇷 😭😭😭😭😭😭
You do realise the UK train system is dated as well. The trains we use now were originally developed in the 50s and people wonder what the point is in updating the system to HS2. What we really need is an entirely automated driverless system. Properly designed machines work every time.
A bit like the way we can rely on self-drive cars and lorries to not run into other vehicles on the road?
Automation is still far from perfect, unfortunately. Glitches happen. Power goes down. I don't think I'd be too happy to be a passenger in a driverless vehicle.
Besides, what do you do with all the train drivers and train managers you suddenly make unemployed?
The official answer, of course, is to 'let' them retrain for something else, like it was some sort of 'gift.' Only it isn't.
Those drivers often don't have any other skills than train driving. They may well include a lot of people who are middle aged or a few years from retirement.
Who employs people of that age?
I know the answer, since I am 'that' age, and no one wants to employ me because I no longer have the stamina for my old career as a gardener.
Retraining isn't easy for someone my age. (Tried it). It's not like a gardener can be trained to be a doctor or a teacher. The alternative is to be counted among the millions who daily apply to work behind a till or in other dull, unskilled jobs. And the same will be true for a train driver. What possible job will train driving skills be good for - if not for driving a train?
Presently, this world is obsessing with replacing humans with automation - and not providing a sensible alternative for the jobs that are gone forever.
More and more people are finding that unless they have the faculties (or even the interest) to retrain during their middle age into a highly responsible job such as a haematologist, nurse, teacher, lawyer, bank manager - they are constantly at risk of being passed over for a kid who can run around filling supermarket shelves at twice the speed and understand brand new technology within seconds of being shown.
@@debbiehenri345 China has level 5 automation and i have not heard of any accidents involving driverless cars in China even though they have robo taxis available to the public for some time now. The accidents with Tesla were due to poorly designed automation.
Regarding retraining, well if I were a train driver I would start now. There will be new jobs created by automation. Someone has to install all the systems so this may well be a good thing to learn about and not that difficult. Other jobs will be created out of the greater profits people make from automation. They will have more disposable income. Perhaps you would work in the leisure industry.
@@Andrew-rc3vh the equipment was there, ready to be installed. Greeks are MAJOR procrastinators. so many people informed government authorities that the train system was a tragedy waiting to happen. nobody listened. they blamed it on the debt crisis. the greeks aren't buying it.
@@angelategos7217 I remember years ago in Britain there was a train crash like this. It was the same old problem - the signals were dodgy and two trains smashed into one another. All British trains have an automatic system now called ATP which was brought in as a reaction to it.
@@Andrew-rc3vh they had a computer system until 2019 for the railway in greece too. apparently, a fire destroyed a vital piece of equipment which was eventually replaced BUT NOT INSTALLED! of course, the government blamed the delay (or, more appropriately total avoidance) on lack of funds even though there were many warnings that a tragedy would surely occur if this wasn't taken care of.
Those responsible must be held accountable, ignoring public safety is not to be compromise. You don't build a system without considering safety of others, then you must be incompetent to administer the system and immediate action must be taken before tragedy occurs.
Blessings to all. 😮RIP❤ The shift..✨🙏
The "violence" was so insignificant that it amazes me that channel 4 uses it as the headline. Tens of thousands are marching each day; ten people set off some fireworks.
Privatisation kills, and they have put profits over people's lives.
It's so sad! we're so sorry for the lose of our people. May their souls rest in peace 🙏
Outrageous
Heartbreaking
Breaks my heart, so sad. RIP.
The European Central Bank has the blood of these people on its hands
It was an outrageous deal selling the best part of Greek railways for just 45m to a private company, while providing 50m every year for 15 years for damages for low profit destinations. Thessaloniki - Athens was considered a low profit destination. The main artery of the country.
May all who need justice receive genuine justice in divine will
I still haven't seen a single foreign news channel mention the Italian state's responsibility. They bought the Greek railways a few years back.
Maybe because it is not as you think, they run the trains not the railways, the automated security system has been mounted on the railways, which are still owned by OSE, don't be fooled.
@@MrParallelo uhh "they run the trains" is that supposed to be an argument in their defense? and no you are misinformed, they run a lot more than their (hazardous) trains, their word is basically law in the railway system. my father works at an office position in OSE and has seen the failings on all sides. But at least on the Greek side of things officials showed up on the site and set up the experts committee to investigate. Hellenic trains(owned by the Italians) on the other hand were nowhere to be seen and answer no phones since Tuesday.
@@Vjeimy Look, it is written in the contracts who does what and who is accountable for such a thing, not the rumors of the employees. So if the minister resigns and OSE top managers resign, maybe they know why. And to avoid such a tragedy to happen again, blaming the others does not look of any help.
@@MrParallelo yes it is indeed written in the contracts. So when you look them up and find who had the authority to appoint an uneducated station master when Greece has a plethora of overqualified people for the position we can talk again. Otherwise this would continue being a conversation of fallacies, like mistaking the basic f*cking duty of a transport minister to resign with some kind of conclusive legal conviction.
@@Vjeimy The argument here is how a human error could be avoided, not a dispute on the evaluation of qualification which cannot exclude a human error in any case. That line is the only one in all Europe without an automated system, either that or endless words on the human error.
An enquiry is not needed, it’s just adding to the delay in fixing the problem. One person should not be held responsible for this tragedy. It is the negligence of the State that is responsible for the deaths of the many people.
Oh man what a terrible accident.... 😔
Capitalist don’t see a future so they don’t see the point in investing in one. All these derailments and infrastructures disasters could be easily avoided and replaced with investment in youth, technology and infrastructure projects. Another future.
Exploitation is at the core of capitalism
Its oligarchy. We dont have free capitalism. Corporations govern and WEF people tell your state what to do. You think your vote counts and you have democracy? 😂😂 think again. They are socialists all of them. Of course socialism for us to stay poor and capitalism only for them at the top. Sounds more like communism then democracy to me😂
Tragic as this seems to be a world trend. Employers need people to work. People need work. We as humans have access to so much wealth and yet we continue to falter due to greed.
You know there is a saying: " you get what you tolerate". We as a civilization have been tolerating violence, poverty, control, greed and corruption, because of falacity of history we have been pushed down our throats. That we came from the Apes, and all THIS, as shitty and unfair as it is, is STILL the " highest point of our civilization". we are being reminded that our ancestors had it much worse, you know. So we kind of suck it up and ajust to it. Little do people know that our history is false and we had extremely advanced civilizations on this planet in the far past, with free electricity, unity consiousness, harmony with natural world and advanced ( but not destructive to life or health) technology....but what would happen in all the people of the world found out about this???? That we did in the past and still COULD live better, much much better???? Thats not something the 1% would ever allow though...
Greece, as a country, really *does* seem to have come off the rails these past decades.
Not even in the past decades, but just in the last 10-15 years! They created civilisation as we know it, but now have arguably the lowest quality of life in all of Europe.
After 2004 games greece is finished
Imagine a friend, he is barely getting by, then he gets a loan and starts a business and it does well because the times are good and money is circulating. Then he gets a house, a car, things are looking good. He marries, he has kids, kids attent school. Then the world economic crash of 2008 hits. His business starts to fail, he can't repay his debt. The business closes down. He files for bankruptcy. The bank sends bailiffs and take all the property - house and car included. Your friend gets depressed. The wife asks for a divorce. The kids are forced to leave their friends as they go to a different school in a poor area. One of them starts taking heroin. That's what happened to Greece.
Speaking as a Greek.. you are right. And it's the result of creeping far-leftist extremism.
Just look at virtually all the comments made by Greeks on this thread, virtually all far leftist whiners, for proof of this political extremism. Rather than condemn the rioting leftist anarchist and Marxist thugs they are condemning the government for an accident it did not cause.
This kneejerk far-leftist whining that the government is to blame for all our ills... rather than a lack of productivity in the private sector... is what led to our massive debt. Our leftists aren't moderate-left. They shamelessly vote for self-declared Marxists then pretend they are "progressives" They don't understand even basic economics and instead substitute communist-sounding rhetoric.
The bottom line, if we don't first have a strong private sector we can't fund services to the degree leading nations do... thus as a consequence end up with second-rate safety and services. Our current center-right party is trying to change that mentality but half the country are far-leftist nutjobs suffering the Dunning-Krugger effect. Everything gets turned into a conspiracy theory of the banks, the rich, the government, blah blah. It's like listening to communists during the cold war.
By who is the question. It's time to wake up all over the world. Not only Greece
Crazy how all these trains are derailing
This wasnt a derailment. It was 2 trains crashing into eachother.
Derailments are actually quite common? It's not part of some weird conspiracy, I promise. Also, as mentioned above, this was a crash.
I think it was said recently that approximately '10 trains per year' derail in the USA. They were only reported at all because the first one poured liquid poison all over a town and the next one only became an issue while the first story was still fresh. Otherwise, the world would have heard nothing about either.
This tragic incident, however, is just as unforgivable as loading poisonous chemicals on a train with mechanical issues in the first place.
The ppl. should overturn the corrupt government.
Evidence for the claim that Mitsotakis government is "corrupt"?
@@mydogsbutler which government is not corrupt??? Are you that naive or just live under the rock???
@@eglutis05 That you think that all governments and politicians are corrupt... indicates your own corruption to a flawed philosophical outlook
This government should be in jail yesterday .....
I can imagine this will happen in England with govt cut backs.
Mick Lynch please help stop this happening!
WHile in the UK we are all keyboard warriors! Office Keyboard warriors!
Aint that the fucking truth
WTF That is unacaptable , not to maintain railway !!!! I allways thought that railline in EU is safe. its the only thing you need to provide, safe journey from Ato B
Our railway was safe, until the EU and the IMF along with our puppet government sold it to an Italian company that was BSing the world how ''technologically advanced'' it was. And all this along with so many Greek lives were lost in poverty or such like accidents, for saving the banks!! Those are their ''european values''.
Horrible !!!!!!!!!!
Fan here in the Philippines 🌴
How can he misunderstand? He told the train conducteur to IGNORE THE RED LIGHT. There was a red light!
Yet "another committe"🙄
Trains should be
maintain properly,
due to the responsibility
they carry, on human lives,
this is too sad.
20, 30 or 40 years ago there were no such accidents though all operation was in 'manual mode' as stated in the video, no automation. That is odd. There was one in the 70's but with fewer fatalities. Incidentally other countries, i.e. Germany/Austria had far worse accidents in the past, 1998, 2000 respectively (101 and 155 deaths- look up Eschede & Kaprun disasters).
PRECISELY! There has been neglect on the Greek railways, but these dangerous situations began when the Italian state bought the Greek railways.
Greek railway is working on manual mode. We haven't installed automatic mode even though the Greek taxpayers have paid billions for the upgrade of the railway system.
Kaprun wasn't a train accident, though. Kaprun "Gletscherbahn" was a funicular going up a mountain, separate from the regular train system.
Basically, instead of a cable car, they had built a train like thing that went up through the mountain, in a tunnel (which is why it was so terribly deadly). It wasn't a regular train on a regular train route, though. Eschede was a regular train.
i hate to blame a situation on "luck" BUT in this case, it was a tragedy ready to happen at any time. safety measures were completely ignored. as usual, it's the "little man" who has to pay the price.
all politcians and judges who allowed thsi need to be FIRED!!!!!
Thanks Alex Litsardakis for speaking the truth. Thank you Channel 4 too
Damn, sad. This is why I'm scared of trains.
Your title is inaccurate. It's the police that "turn violent"
They dont know what happen here,μπαχαλακηδες και παλι....
It seems to me train crashes are the theme for this season, goodness knows what's next
An unfortunate response to cutbacks.
Many businesses are too concerned with making sure the managers have more money than they know what to do with and ensuring shareholders are well rewarded - while their actual businesses are being hit by the economic problems affecting their customers. As a consequence, businesses cut corners to make savings rather than deny the managers their pay rises and perks - and the first corners to cut are usually the ones that ensure safe working practice.
Blame capitalism.
@@debbiehenri345 it does seem that the higher up the pay scale chain you get the more you get rewarded when effing up and for doing a poor job. Shareholders do nothing so deserve no loyalty but customers do for bearing the consequences of their mismanagement
If only they would protest like this over the refugee invasion.
self defense is not violence, its protection from violence........ if the cops dont want the people fighting back, the cops can simply leave the people alone in peace...... PROBLEM SOLVED!
Meanwhile, in the UK, half of the establishment media is banging the drum of budget cuts to train safety.
@ Pink as a Pistol: Very well said!!
😢
Δυστυχώς πάντα θα την πληρώνουν οι αθώοι ανεξάρτητου χώρας ευχαριστούμε για την συμπαράσταση κουράγιο δύναμη στις οικογένειες 😔😢🙏💐💔🇬🇷
Oklahoma derailment needs a protests & demonstrations to upgrade & monitor railway tracks.
Ohio
Eventually someone will pay but who will bring back all those lives 😡
I never understood why when such tragedies happen, ministers resign as it's no longer their problem! They should be obliged to stay and fulfill their duties, not escape the thirst chance after there are problems.
He didnt even resign. He is ready for another place that's why he resigned from that place. You think these politicians care. They care not to lose the good chair and salary!! 😂
The people are holding government accountable and responsible, something that hardly happens without a long investigation and longer hearing, which, usually results in a "big" fine.
57 dead and 50+ missing (burnt, pulverized, crashed...) = 100+
Wow
two trains going in the OPOSSITE direction facing each other on the SAME track.
Yes. Yes, there was.
@@mwd331 but why?
@@samanli-tw3id human error, technical fault? I guess we will find out!
Why aren't we demonstrate for the Ohio train crash?
Because it's over and didn't kill anyone? I'm pretty sure you can go protest if you want though!
A human error should not result in 70 dead. There needs redundancy
He must now RESIGN. He must go behind bars for NEGLIGENCE. You to quick to resign and think you can get away. Nobody gets away cos I pray.
That's because the water dispensing bottle has 2 ace of clubs inside it
My God! In U.S., an electronic grid on giant tv screens monitor any movements and idle stations. Our problems are updating the breaks and rails. There really is no excuse for such "human error".
Heartfelt prayers for all passengers and their families. 🙏❤❤🙏😪
Dude you've had enuff rail disasters in America last few weeks... Palestine ohio
It's as if the whole world is collapsing.
Καλη Τιχη!
Dejavu /// Beirut port blast
Safety costs money. Want more safety, then pay more for your train ride. No way to get around this.
This is how Hungarian people should protest against the corruption here
This country sticks together they have had numerous protest over the years
They are bums
@Declan Flanagan where you from?
@@DyadyaKolya1 None of ur business
Why is so many trains around the world crashing hello?!
Very bad news
🏛🌳🐏🐑🐑🚂🚈🚞🇬🇷...those look like the same crappy Cold War Era trains... I rode in Greece decades ago...
Greece was part of NATO during the cold war.
True but we also had good trade relationships with the Soviet Union.
@@user-xp5yu3tt2g ...the sympathies of a ΕλλάδαΦίλος
@@user-xp5yu3tt2g And look how well debabling with far leftist extremists has worked out for Greece's government debt. It sickens me when I see Greeks rant like communists, During the civil war we used to shoot commuists for treason. Now the Greek left shamelessly votes for far left parties like KKE and Syriza.
@my dog's butler We (and with we, I mean the most of Greeks) tell to each other even today. "Thank God and the British and the Americans who helped us during our Civil War and came to fight for us against the Communists," but that doesn't mean that we want to have bad relationships with countries that have different ideology from our state.