B&M Fairbanks-Morse/Talgo lightweight trainset Early '60's
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- čas přidán 7. 06. 2013
- Boston & Maine's experimental Fairbanks-Morse powered Talgo train.... in the early '60's, seen in several locations including Salem,MA. 8mm film by Russ Munroe Jr. Railroad sound by Steve Hay. If you like our stuff, Please comment and/or subscribe!
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Thanks Craig. Really like your old movies
I've rode on the Talgo train in Oregon / Washington the Cascades. Has to be the most comfortable train I've been on!!!
Not this Talgo. Was used in local service(commuter) on the Eastern Route. I rode it many times to Swampscott or Salem. The first fare I paid was .97cents to the agent at Swampscott.
Hi Rich, The Talgo sets for B&M and NH were built in 1957/1958. The B&M set was purchased for long haul service, but was put into commute service not too long after they were bought. Craig
Hello, They are an FM P-12-42, there was a pair (one trainset) built for the NH and a pair for the B&M. The NH units were equipped with 3rd rail equipment for use in Grand Central. They were equipped with the 8 cylinder OP normally rated at 1600hp. but 400hp. was tapped for train lighting etc. The front truck (bogie) only was powered. The train consisted of five permanently connected three car sets. I'm researching the bogie arrangement now, I know I've got the material somewhere. Craig
That's cool Tim, I've never been to that part of the country, would like to someday. Craig
Hi Tim, I believe it's all gone.....the power units went to Leeds,ME to be used as stationary power plants and were cut up at some point, maybe in the early eighties. (What a shame!) I don't know about the cars, I remember seeing some of them from the Mystic River bridge approach (in Boston) probably in the 60's. Craig
I'm surprised there is color film of this!
It was the "Speed Merchant" operating Boston to Portland 1957 to 1964. The locomotives were by Fairbanks-Morse, the train a development of American Car Foundry based on the Talgo II of Alejandro Goicoechea (an unidirectional train operating in Spain 1950 to 1971). New Haven operated a train of the same type, the "John Quincy Adams" between New York and Boston only 1957/1958, the cars were then sold to Spain where they were used on the Ferrocarril de Langreo, a slow standard gauge line, until the early 1983, when the FCL was absorbed into Feve and rebuilt to meter gauge.
One noteworthy fact, the visual design (exterior and interior) of the train is by famous architect and designer Marcel Breuer.
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www.railfaneurope.net/pix/es/private/historic/FCL/pix.html
Had no idea these train sets were that old. I thought they were a product of the 80's
Great footage. Needs to be professionally transferred.
I'm not familiar with these locos. Are they FM series or something different? did the Talgo feature a bogie supporting coaches where they meet each other?
Has any of that equipment survived?
FROM THE INNER SANCTUM :D
I believe that the New Haven's 15 talgo cars (of the "John Quincy Adams") were sold to the Spanish Railways in the early 1960s. the FM power units were scrapped. Cars stayed in service in Spain for another decade or so.
Dudo que fuera un desarrollo de American Car & Foundry, cuando Patentes Talgo, S.A. jamás cedió la patente del tren a esta empresa norteamericana, ni aun con las condiciones abusivas y leoninas que impusieron a la empresa española, que las tuvo que aceptar, puesto que no le quedaba otra opción.
España estaba en una penosa posguerra civil, en plena autarquía económica, el resto de Europa estaba saliendo de la 2a. guerra mundial y solo en los EE.UU. existian empresas con la tecnología necesaria para construir el tren del Sr. Alejandro Goicoechea Omar.
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Este desarrollo fue obra de los ingenieros españoles Sr. Ángel Torán y Jaime McVeigh, los dos empleados de Patentes Talgo que tuvieron que lidiar con las malas intenciones y traspapelados de planos que tuvieron que sufrir y aguantar por parte de ACF.
www.experimenta.es/tiempos-modernos-tiempos-dificiles/la-columna-de-eugenio-vega-suspiros-de-espana/
El modelo del Talgo 1955-1956 fué un desarrollo de los dos ingenieros que la casa española enviara a los EE.UU. y son el antecedente directo del modelo Talgo III ya fabricado en España por Construcciones Aeronáuticas, S.A.-CASA en su factoría de la localidad madrileña de Getafe.
Al ingeniero Ángel Torán se le debe el sistema de cambio automático de los rodales Talgo, su sistema RD-Rodadura Desplazable posibilitó que el Talgo III RD entrara en el selecto club Trans Europ Express-TEE uniendo 🇪🇦Barcelona-🇨🇵-Ginebra🇨🇭 con el servicio "Catalán Talgo", el primer y único tren en el mundo capaz de cambiar del Ancho Ibérico de 1668 mm existente en España y Portugal al UIC de 1435 mm del resto de la Europa occidental y gran parte de la oriental.
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Escasamente dos años despues de 1969 Patentes Talgo fabrico los remolques cama del Talgo III RD con los que se inauguró la conexión directa 🇪🇦Madríd-Paris🇨🇵 y despues tambien el 🇪🇦Barcelona-Paris🇨🇵. El Talgo III RD Camas no perteneció al Pool TEE puesto que este solo estaba compuesto de relaciones rapidas diurnas con trenes con plazas exclusivamente de 1a. clase. Tampoco se integró en la red TEN-Trans Euro Nuit de trenes nocturnos con plazas de 1a y 2a. clase.
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American Car & Foundry no se puede apropiar de lo que núnca creó ni desarrolló, solo se le pagó por fabricar lo que los ingenieros españoles enviados por el ingeniero, militar e inventor Sr. Alejandro Goicoechea Omar y el financiero Sr. José Luis de Oriol y Urigüen desarrollaron, con más impedimentos que colaboración y buena fe.