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The Mourinho of 10 years ago would call Southgate "a Specialist in Failure".
The Perfecto comment !
I already labelled Southgate that already. Wenger doesn't deserve that label anymore.
@@fusionsuper34 wenger won trophies, what has southgate won? Nothing.
Very predictable that Martin would defend his mate Gareth.
he lets Gareth use his wife
I think Martin comes across far better on Talk Sport in conversation than he ever does on co-commentary on TV.
Martin's defence is not very convincing. The question was "so Martin we will win the Europeans in 2024, yes?"
The response " we hope so Jim".
There is the reason we will lose again under Southgate, we don't believe we can win.
I don't believe we can win under Southgate, but ask me the same question at any time and my response will be It's coming home.
Just like the last 3 competitions under Southgate......
The man is wholly average, at some point in an important game you have to gamble to win. Think ahead of the game. Southgate is unable to think like that.
His record on the choice of players and the timing of substitutions is not just bad, it's abysmal.
He is cautious to a fault, result we're always too late.
He has not developed these players. Their club teams managers developed these players.
Do any international managers develop their players? A tournament like this is the most time they get to train with a group and they donât really even train since games are every 4-5 days.
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@@gabrielmartinez4641 Tactically they do... Who knew Macalister could control the midfield like that?? Who knew Griezman could drop off and play as defensive 10?? Amrabat? International football is about tactics. These games allow their Club managers to see another aspect of those players.
@@adebowaleademola-thomas3776 I wouldnât say thatâs developing, more that international managers donât have the luxury of purchasing foreign talent to fill positions. Mac Allister started in that position purely out of luck that Lo Celso got injured before the tournament and Argentina had no other experienced option for that position. Griezmann has always been a player that has helped out his teams defensively ever since he first moved to Atletico, and with the injuries to Pogba and Kante the best option for France was to take advantage of that selfless work ethic. In regards to England, Southgate pretty much set up his best 11 and the team came up short against a better team.
@@gabrielmartinez4641 Mac Allister was shocked at being picked. Lo Celso plays a different game to Mac Allister tactically. Griezman had to be convinced to play that part because he hated that type of game, hence going to Barcelona. Scaloni had to prove his doubters wrong. He changed the tactics. Type of players selected for internationals. Built a team that doesn't rely totally on Messi, so that, Messi can roam around the play. That's tactical development 101.
Im convinced now , Martin doesn't want us to win anything !
I think Martin is talking the biggest load of rubbish I have ever heard from a football pundit. Either he is that stupid or like lot of the ex football pundits are actually aligning themselves with the FA for job protection
What do you expect; he supports and has supported Arsenal.
@@lnvrtd Heâs an Arsenal Invincible lol. An absolute legend.
You never win regardless the manager
you must be a bit disillusional then my friend. Martin Keown is England all the way.
Southgate is the only international manager who gets praises for losing
The worst part is all these sides like Germany etc that are clearly in a transitional period bringing youth into the setup will be up and running by the time Southgate leaves. There has never been a better/easier time for England to win a tournament and we are going to waste this small window with southgate.
Thatâs why he is still in the job. He keeps the noise outside the FA offices down.
@@reddev96 True. Germany, Spain, Italy are in transition period. France look like they will be favourites for next 5-10 years with Mbappe. It is only gonna get tougher and GS haven't won against comparable teams on paper yet.
@Hayder Al-Mohammad yet Strauss was a brilliant England captain and did good job as head of men cricket brought about original changes that helped England win World Cup in cricket . Kp was good scorer but once he stopped doing that he became negative issue
Every team but one lost only one winner , 2 - 1 to France is no shame . Name me an England manager who as done better apart from 1966
I donât think England couldâve done what France did in that final.
Lose and concede 3, yeah they could
Lose on penalties in a final?...fairly sure they could
I think A hrothgar means come back from a 2 goal deficit, I know England couldn't as they weren't able to come back from a 1 goal deficit.
Totally agree, I love England, yes we played OK against France, but they were simply better than us, sg should go, he won't. We can be a better team in 2 years but it's still going to take a bit of luck to win it!
@@paulbeach5060 I really donât think Southgate wouldâve made the changes needed when they were needed as well
Saying Southgate developed these players is ABSOLUTELY INSANE!!
It doesn't matter if Southgate fails and wastes this current crop of talent ! All that matters is 'Southgate is a nice guy' !!
Current crop of talent? Lmfao, what talent is that? An 150 million pound rated player ' kane, can't even take a fucking penalty.
It is more important that England and its manager send all the right messages woe betide we win anything
FA are useless, full of non footballing types
This reminds of when all the former united players were backing their friend Ole. Southgate has a lot of former teammates in the media
Just look at the changes Deschamps did in the WC final. He took out Giroud in the first half and Griezmann & Dembele early in the 2nd half to chase the game. These 3 were his key players all tournament. Those subs who were young and did not/barely played in the tournament so far changed the game. Southgate would never. THAT is the difference. Southgate is neat. He picks the best XI and set them up to play well but he does not know how to change the game if it goes wrong.
I think you give him to much credit. He has no clue about tactics, team selection or in game management. Terrible manager.
Bang on! Southgate is a good man manager but football -wise he seems clueless and scared and stubborn.
He took Giroud & Dembele off on 40 minutes I believe. Giroud threw a fit on the sideline throwing a water bottle. Does Deschamps care? No, because his job is to compete and win, not to coddle his favorite players and tell them everything will be OK. This is why France have been in 3 tournament finals since 2016 and will probably be there or thereabouts in 2024.
Exactly same as the Dutch did against Argentina. He would never of done what the Dutch manager did.
I agree with you 101%Southgate is just an average manager look at it, would City or Liverpool take him
Martin always taking notes and still coming back with absolute shite constantly đ
Clearly an act. Fake. He's probably doodling pictures of him and Simon as best mates
@@chriskelly6709 Playing Noughts and Crosses with himself and still losing
@@Adam-sd2ow lol perfect!
Martin 'The Scholar' Keown
Jim White's face when Keown says "I think it's refreshed him" đłđ¤Ł
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Mean while the French are looking to bring in Zidane (Real Madrid) we are sticking with Southgate sacked by Middlesbrough.
Ahh
But he DID get England relegated from the Nations League too đ
zidane who is French so thats good that France are sticking to having French managers as managers of their national team. What Englishman do you think should be manager of England instead of Southgate?
@@marksmarsh2039 Steve Bruce would be hilarious.
@@marksmarsh2039 Eddie Howe, Graham Potter
@@ianjackson8371 yeah and i'd go Potter over Howe. What he did at Brighton was amazing. Bringing World cup Macallister there too. Howe is a top boss too but he's a lot more funds to help at Newcastle
Why is no one in the media pointing out that Southgate basically went afk, did not face the media or the fans over his decisions? He went afk saying he's going to decide what to do. Media did PR/propaganda for him & Southgate waited till fans calmed down to come out saying he's staying.
How can you stay when you faced none of your criticism or face the fans? Look at Tite, he failed massively but he admitted his mistakes & faced the music even after he resigned. Southgate is only a genius at working the media, doing PR but his tactical reading of the game is horrendous.
We wonât win anything with this manager, heâs done good but when it comes down to it he is unable and incapable of making the correct decisions on a consistent basis.
Great comment
Because he's a SPINELESS COWARD ...he can't even when he's there ..look anyone in the eye.. constantly looking anywhere but where the question came from.
Absolutely on point mate.
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Are you saved?
If you died tonight are you going to heaven?
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As an Arsenal fan Iâm embarrassed at Martin Keownâs take lol
Thatâs a first for me agreeing with a gunner !
He doesnât know how to use the players to bring out there best !
Keown desperately scribbling down everything Jordan says is embarassing
I agree. Keown is a joke
Does he actually do it on purpose that he is like a wet cloth ?
Keeping Southgate just ensures that England have no chance at the Euros.
Yeah I know pens in the final it's pathetically bad. No idea why he wasnt sacked there and then. Chatting out your ass
Or maybe just maybe the players just aren't good enough
England have no chance regardless of who is in charge. It'll be proven in the next world cup. People need to stop deluding themselves.
@@aestheticperfection9349 wether theyâre good enough,weâll never know because we have a third rate coach in charge of them. Imagine what a Guardiola could do with these players, we would play in an entirely different way and he would get the best out of players like Foden, Grealish, mount and Maddison and others!
@@aestheticperfection9349 or maybe soulthgate makes the wrong decisions consistently.
How in the hell can Martin say they played 4-3-3 with great success????
Southgate got Middlesbrough relegated, even after Gibson put tens of millions into the club.
That was Southgate's resume before getting the England job.
He was fortunate with the Russia 2018 and Euro 2020 draws, because they were the easiest route to a final in my lifetime. Yet he failed at the first proper challenge.
He's not good enough for any European top flight club job, so why do we have to put up with a tactically inept manager for our England team, who have players capable of winning tournaments?
100% agree - well said! He brown nosed his way into the U21 role and with that crop of brilliant players coming through he was always going to look good. The fact remains that unlike Bobby Robson or Terry Venables Barcelona wont come calling for Southgate. He will NEVER manage a top club team.
@@jim526 Pochettino is available and would be perfect. The after Poch hopefully Eddie Howe is available. TBH anyone is a good replacement for Southgate.
Phil,
Those managers, alongside Sven and Capello competed against golden generations of Italy, Portugal, Brazil, Spain and Germany.
The Italy side of 2006 was galaxies clear of the 2021 edition. Which countries are in a position of strength right now?
Robson and Venables, great managers! You know you'd be motivated and confident playing for them.
Who would do a better job
Southgate has set the stage for divides to form again in the England camp, hes shown these past 6 years that he has a preference for certain players and he will continue to pick them regardless of their form and out of pure loyalty to him and disregard younger players who are doing well but require tactical changes that are beyond him to make. Those players that have been snubbed this far will either start snubbing the call ups or come in and cause infighting in future camps.
Spot onâŚ
If I was Trent Iâd be telling him to do oneâŚ. Trent could have had a nice holiday with his girlfriend during the World Cup instead of sitting on Southgateâs bench knowing Southgate had no intention of playing him. They get precious little holiday time as it is, season ends mid June, new season starts first week of August so thatâs 6 weeks reduced to about 3 weeks because of pre season tour / training, per year !
I would say to Southgate, I just want to concentrate on my club football thanks
@@johnnyhock Is Trent Alexander better than Trippier?
hes doing exactly what ole did at united with player preferences but in an easier environment because everyone is english
Notice the French coach doesn't have favs...the way he pulled off giroud and greizman before halftime was shocking...Southgate is too much of a gentleman to do that and that's why he'll never win
@@marksmarsh2039no chance.
The fact there are still people out there thinking he's the right man for the job is as sad as it is hilarious. Can't wait to repeat this insane cycle of knowing he isn't good enough, failing at the tournament and then renewing his contract/him staying on as manager. Hopefully for those left thinking he's the right man for the job you'll finally see sense in 2024 even if it means we waste another golden opportunity.
You know you have to remember that only one team can win it each time. Please explain why you think anything but a win deserves a sacking?
@user-tu4gb3pi1m - the absolute worst mentality you can have. The sport is about winning. Youâre probably a Spurs fan so weâll let you off.
@@BrandonSmith-ct5rz oh cheers I had no idea that was the case thanks for clearing that up. The reason he should be sacked is not because he hasn't won it, its because he is completely tactically inept. He gets the starting lineup wrong as well as in game management. He's a reactionary manager and if you want to see what a good manager does in these tough games go and watch the final last night and the decisions the French manager made to change the game. In every tournament under southgate he has made the wrong decision at crucial points and some of them don't even make any sense like using sterling who's been away from the camp dealing with a break in. A competent manager would beat France in that game we had with them. You also have to remember that these big nations, that use to dominate these tournaments like Germany etc, are all in transitional periods trying to bring the youth into their setup and there will never be an easier time to win a tournament with our squad vs these other nations.
@@BrandonSmith-ct5rz 4x wins out of 10 against top 10 sides thats a start for u.
@@BrandonSmith-ct5rz what a ridiculous thing to say đ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤ŁâŚ..imagine using that as an excuse for failure đ¤Ł
Simon is spot on about Southgate. He is a league 1 manager @ best
So basically as long as Gareth is happy and feeling good, it's all ok
Its bad that he hasn't realised it.. walk away you muppet!
Mental health, man!
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never heard martin keown talk so much waffle regarding southgate especially considering hes a winner himself!
Always does
Watching the World Cup final and the difficult discussions and tactical changes and substitutions made by both France and Argentina shows the biggest difference between an average and cautious manager and a world class wining manager đ¤ˇââď¸
Spot on. Deschamps changes eventually lead to the penalty and then the equaliser. You need to give substitutes time to get into the game. Not just 10 minutes!
The fact Harry Kane (a serial loser) has a say in whoâll WIN them a trophy just sums up England
Matin keown must have friends in high places,how this man has a job in the media is really beyond me đ đ¤Ł
He makes Garth Crooks look alive.
He,s a yes man really nice guy but the main thing is he specialises in being nice taking knee and LOSING
Southgate is the only manager who gets rewarded for failure
If my maths are correct he earns 100k per week. I would do it for 100k per year.
before he took over we were completely terrible in so many ways
Not the only manager. You're forgetting Arteta. Similar situation actually, they gave him a contract before the last few crunch games instead of waiting until the end of the season, and hey presto arsenal collapsed, and they stuck by him and spent a record amount in the summer transfer window. And this is after consecutive 8th place finishes, unheard of for Arsenal.
@@marksmarsh2039 Southgate has seemingly provided stability, attempted to create a club atmosphere within the group, and has not flopped at tournaments. However, he will never be the person to take them to the next level. We all know he will lose with dignity again when we meet strong opposition in 2024. Still, he will be ÂŁ8M richer and be able to put his kids through university, which will be nice, wont it (?)
@@alipanroosendaal9503 tad cynical . Well like you said has provided stability , attempted to create club atmosphere and has not flopped so maybe not as bad as everybody is saying. Losing to Croatia , Italy and France never an unheard of thing for any country. Even Argentina. And it was after all in a penalty shoot out we lost to Italy whilst the other two matches were close 2-1 defeats. Maybe we expect much too much here. I don't know. Thought we were much better than France at times although we could tighten up a bit at the back otherwise we will always have to dominate teams with a goal disadvantage
The definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
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Martin Keown has a strange definition of "great success".
He.s a muppet
Yep, great success would be winning 2/3 tournaments..
England and Keown in full blown panic modeâŚ
England beat Iran and Wales, drew with the USA and lost to France. Why does Martin Keown think that's as good tournament?
Don't forget about the mighty Senegal.....England have not beaten a team ranked above them in a tournament since.........
Morocco's manager had 3 months to prepare his team for the World Cup.
Southgate has had 6 years.
Expect more of the same from England moving forward.
Can someone explain to me that development argument. These players develop at their club, not in the squads of their national teams.
Worse decision then electing Liz Truss
It is hoped that the other European nations will have the grace to allow England to win in 2024.
It is so annoying Spaim, Germany, Portugal, Belgium and France still continue to have the temerity of playing to win.
Belgium are terrible now and have won f all
Look forward to digging up these vids in 18 months when weâve been knocked out of the Euroâs ( if we qualify that is đł) . I bet the conversations will be almost identical! đ˘
We have a fantastic record of qualifying for major tournaments in the last 20 years. We are great at that just terrible at tournaments.
Euro 2008 slipped your mind there pal? đ
@@mattadders9819 that's one tournament in 12 so we qualified for 92% of tournaments.
Fantastic isnât the phrase Iâd use. To me, England as a major football nation qualification is bare minimum expectation. Southgate is definitely your man !
"He's proved himself against the world's big teams". In competitive competition he's been beat by said teams. Not sure what Keown is going on about? These defeats might of had a touch of misfortune involved but they've also had a touch of mismanagement.
The problem with Southgate staying is that he has his favourites and don't see other players given a chance regardless of well they are playing cos his "team" haven't let him down. Maguire might have done OK but who's to say we might have done better with another pairing at the back. Southgate is predictible I can't see Maddison playing.
Good point. Argentina started with lautaro Martinez as striker however he struggled and got replaced by Alvarez.
never let him down if that was the case we would have won the trophy
As a lifelong Arsenal fan, I loved Keowns attitude but he sounds like a fully paid up member of the old boys club( and he aint the only one)..if they ain't got the bottle to criticise then they are in the wrong job...
Let's all give Gareth lovely pat on the back . Stable guy and good job he is doing. This talented group of players need to be challenged and pushed not praised for giving France a game in the QF. Ruthlessness and drive needed by Southgate to succeed
Something he doesn't have. England needs a man in the dressing room. Not some limp wristed prat who's concerned about bending the knee and rainbows. Cringe.
Southgate? I wouldn't let him manage port Vale, no offence port Vale.
as long as they all get along and aware of BLM and LQBQT people are happy
@@leonhughes9014 So weak and feeble, and desperate to win they didn't even protest. Perhaps they knew how poor they were and backed down.
@@davidedwards1336 tbf its his level
Simon is right on this and he'll be right tomorrow as well.....honest opinion on everything tbh. Best listen on Talk Sport.
Clubs develop players. Not national teams.
Simon is spot on!
âShow me a good loser and I will show you a loserâ. Thatâs Gareth Southgate.
Another 18 months of waisting Englands greatest attacking talent in Trent.
Na sorry the muppet can't defend,jog on you muppet.
That's the problem we want him to defend properly.
@@MrSitemaster2 attack is the best form of defence!
@@perk70 That's why he ain't in the team.
@@MrSitemaster2 He's won everything in English football. Not bad for a fella that's just turned 24 and can't defend..hahaha
He should be in charge forever and ever and ever. The rest of the world loves him.
Absolutely on point lol
Martin saying we can go toe to toe with the best in the world? Really? I haven't seen that.
4 from 24 in top 10 competitive matches. he's wasting out best chances now.
Let's be honest, any half-decent manager could have achieved what Southgate did at the world cup...
Have to agree 100% with Simon, I expect exactly the same outcome at the Euros. It shouldn't have been Southgate's decision to hang on for another ÂŁ5m a year until 2024, the FA should have grown a pair and got rid
I hope Iâm wrong but I can see exactly how the next two years will go. Weâll probably qualify easily for the Euros against garbage opposition and get promoted out of the Nations League second division. The media will tell us itâs coming home and Southgate is amazing. Weâll get to the Euro quarter final after playing poor teams and the moment we play a half decent side will be dumped out. A promising generation wasted.
Yep, 100% correct. But what Southgate does that other people don't do is manage the media like a gentleman. His woke politics keep the FA and media on side, so, it's okay for him to fail, because he fails so nicely...
Even if we do qualify easily for the euro's against ' garbage opposition ' we will have qualified and that's a good thing. Have you not been around when England has not qualified for a major tournament? That is the time to complain. Just look at Italy . Wonderful at the Euro's and they win it but then fail to qualify for World Cup finals. There is no 'garbage opposition'. As you will have witnessed at the world cup unfancied teams are getting more tactically aware all the time. Saudi Arabia is prime example of this. You would have called for Southgate's head if England had lost to Saudi Arabia wouldn't you?
Bang on!!
Iâd love to know how long this âjourneyâ is expected to last. Heâs taken them as far as he can,time for an elite coach to finish the job!
Theyâre will make the biggest mistake Belgium did. Wasting the whole talent by choosing a coach because heâs so nice
As if english has players standard to what Belgium had đđ
@@hudson7354 Foden and Bellingham are the closest we have to Hazard and De Bruyne, so we're screwed there. However, the rest of the squad quite comfortably contends with that great Belgium squad of the last decade.
@@brettswallow864 Hazard weighs about 30 stone now Foden is much better
@@ashleyferrar5276 Foden who slept all game agianst france and gave Kounde the easiest time of his life
@@husseinosman1997 Yeah that's the one. Still better than Hazard who barely plays any more
Problem was England FA giving him extension on his contract. It going to be a wasted đŞ next international tournament like it was this Worldcup!!
He's taken them as far as they can go under him.
Need to take them to next level, get a manager who will instill ruthlessness in them and knows how to close a game out.
England haven't got a hope with St. Gareth any differently than Man Utd with St. Ole. Same thing will happen in the Euros as previously. Keogh is living in a dream world.
Belgium was loyal and stable with Martinez as well, look what it got them.
How many chances is he allowed to have đ
Cushion govt job for him , he knows no PL club will hire him . Hilarious if they draw big teams for a change in group stages and go out straight away.
I commented before listening to this debate. Martin referred Messi and Southgate in same sentence đ¤Ś
I will never understand how people say he nurtured this group when they are being nurtured by the crème de la crème of managers on a daily basis who mould and shape these players to what they are the job of an international manager is to put them together and win one off matches by making hard decisions. I donât see Southgate giving out a bollocking which you need sometimes in football heâs too nice and players will take advantage of that I feel like heâs intimidated by the players not the other way round.
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Can't wait to get knocked out of the quarter-finals at the Euros.
Weâll bottle it in the euros. Southgate not the man. Never changes anything at half time. Bottle job. Simon is spot on.
10:22 Marin Keown's note-taking going into overdrive.đ¤Łđ¤Ł
What makes the FA's total incompetence even worse is that they are the wealthiest football association in the world but ever since Glen Hoddle did a good job in 1998 they have hired Keegan, Sven, Wally, Capello, Woy, Big Sam and for the last 6 years the worst of them all - Southgate!
Can we not get someone on Simons Calibre in here? this is summount to bullying lol
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@@GIBBO4182 stay in school kids
And now we work towards âŚâŚ. His FOURTH TOURNAMENT without success as itâs only 18 months away. But, by the same token, say he gets knocked out in the quarter final of Euro 24, does he still get to stay on because the next World Cup is then only 2 years away ?
How many tournaments without winning anything does he get ?
I would like to ask Gareth Southgate a question . "If Harry Maguire or Harry Kane were having a bad match would you take
them off after 40 minutes?" And we all know what the answer would be .
That's because Deschamps has always been a winner.
Amen. 80th minute - bring on Sterling. 90+7 - bring on Grealish.
Southgate single handed made the worst substitution of the tournament against France when he brought on Sterling đ¤Ł
@@benjyjosephb so preposterous. Besides getting a goal against Iran, Sterling did F all in the tournament and then had to leave the camp to handle personal business. But he is one of Southgate's go to favorites isn't he?
@@gaving9041 what all these people supporting Southgate is not talking about the fact that Foden got in the 11 because sterling left... anyways I'm happy Southgate is continuing the joke will be kept alive.
Southgate is the Alan Partridge of football managers.
Don't compare him to that legend!!!
I can't wait until we hear same issues with Southgate near 18 months time on here. When people like Simon, myself & others have said about Southgate unlike his ex teammates have said defending him to the hill.
If he was going to leave he would of left the day after, the fact he said i will think about it showed he was always going to stay trying to get people to feel sorry for him.
Would Southgate get any job in the premiership or championship... he was always going to stay on as te England manager because he's been gifted a job way out of his managing & coaching ability.
Always interesting conversations, obviously definable between who is an âEmployee and EmployerâŚâ
The way to look at it is, if your LIFE depended on England winning the next euros, would you retain Gareth Southgate as head coach? Something tells me the FA didn't apply this principle, mainly because their own pockets well lined and they personally have nothing to lose so just went for the safe option
These positions are mostly politically determined!
Southgate is a victim of his own success. People forget when England didn't even qualify, or got knocked out in the first round. But the fact is Southgate has got the best tournament record of all England mangers. The only guy that may do better is Tuchel.
Yes heâs got a good record against the weaker teams as he should, teams ranked in the top 10 heâs only won 4 times on 24 occasions, thatâs pathetic and is not good enough to win tournaments, Southgate keeping his job is the definition of insanity!
Success? Has nothing to do with Southgate.
@@immortalmatter Yeah but some England managers can't even do that when it comes to the likes of Algeria, Iceland etc.
@@CometComment who says the next manager has to be English, I agree with your point that tuchel should get the job, itâs been nearly 60 years I donât think any of us should care if the England manager is foreign, all the top elite level managers are and thatâs what we need to move us to the next level
Ten Haag arrives at Old Trafford and immediately benches McGuire, United start winning games and keeping clean sheets. Their form turns aroundâŚ..
Southgate continues to start McGuire every game. England win only 3 out of last 10 games, get relegated from Nations League, and at the World Cup McGuire is responsible for a conceded goal Vs Iran and Franceâs second and winning goal in Quarter final, knocking England outâŚâŚ
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Expect the same result in 18 months at the Euros
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If we equate this to a company (here the FA) are in need of successful projects to restore the company back to commercial prominence (here win a trophy).
You set up a project head/leader and make available to the project the best resources the company can provide. Success is imperative. A close failure is that failure.
We have had three close failures, surely somebody has to held accountable. That accountability in this case falls at the feet of the person who has led and failed three times.
Why are we now putting trust in him to lead and probably fail again?
The players need to get off their knees and stick to football.
Why is keown writing down everything Simon says without responding to it? Very strange lol
He thinks he's on A Question Of Sport.
Iff Southgate was manager of Argentina ,he'd probably have Messi on the bench, and bring him on with 2 minutes to go
1000% agree with Simon here, when you breakdown what Southgate has done you will see heâs failed, he fails to make big decisions and his results on the pitch against the top 10 ranked teams in the world is sackable alone by only winning something like 4 out of 20+ games
Coming from an outside perspective (Aussie) the rest of Europe and the world want south gate in, you have the most frightening pool of players and depth. It would be terrifying to face against if it was teed up with an elite manager who's a proven winner who knows the game. I feel like it's a real wasted opportunity on southgate tbh. It doesn't matter if the manager has to be English countries around the world all have international managers
Gareth(mouse of a man)Southgate will squander another tournament before people see sense another golden squad waisted ,what a joke
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Gareth has had enough time from 2016 to 2022 to win a trophy if he has to win it has to be with another country. The squad has to have a major shake up. Youth has to be the focus.
What has Southgate won?
Bet again,Serial losers,How can Martin Keown actually stand up for him,Simon is right,The FA are to blame,If Gareth grew a pair of balls and set up England more Offensive,they'd be Euro and possibly world champions
What a waste⌠Another 2 years down the toilet. This squad deserves better. If Southgate fully understood the game, he wouldâve resigned out of embarrassment. He doesnât know how little he knows.
Feels like weâre stuck in time, will southgate ever gođ we will be saying the same when we go out in the semiâs of the euros.
Simon wipes the floor with Martin yet again
Southgate and his yes men staff, between them somehow agreed that Sterling who had been away from the squad due to traumatic personal matters should be introduced before Rashford.
Saka was playing well enough to remain, and to frustrate all of us clear thinking football lovers, he introduces Grealish with a min to play???
Clever managers do that to slow the game down.
Mind blowing.
Please tell me what clubs fan base would love to have Gareth as their manager I think championship is his level and is only England manager because of friends like Martin
Stability but sad for any player not his favourite
So much tosh from Keown. Bellingham was nowhere near best young player. Walker didnât do a good job he was just quick. Euro 2024 will be exactly the same as this tournament.
The sad thing is, and we all know itâs coming, Southgate will pathetically offered yet another contract extension just before euro 2024, keeping him in the job until the next World Cup and it will all be in Southgates hands again. Pathetic.
So, do we know whether heâs Arthur or Martha?
Same old England at the beginning Southgate said heâd only pick inform players well he ainât and he canât change a game it needs changing he canât do it
Gareth is a loyal decent Man and deserves great credit for what he has achieved , maybe he deserves one last chance.I am not sure that he can make the big decisions in the big games that will get us over the line.
We need someone like Brian Clough, Southgate is everyoneâs friend, but thatâs not what the manager is supposed to be. Southgate is media friendly, player friendly, but lacks the winning formula.
Southgate's resume:- 1) Got Middlesbrough relegated, despite Gibson ploughing 10's of millions into the team. Middlesbrough have never truly recovered to this day.
2) Finished bottom of Euro 2015 group as England U21 manager, yet somehow got the full England job.
3) Got knocked out of Russia 2018 by (the first real challenge) Croatia, a tiny nation with only a 3 million population.
4) Got beat in Euro 2020 by a mediocre Italian team that would then fail to qualify for the next world cup.
5) beat Iran, Wales, a draw with America, and knocked out by a French team that was more than beatable.
And that's it. He's the luckiest manager alive.
We had the best draws in 2018 and 2020 in a lifetime, with a decent manager, we could of won those tournaments. We had the players.
But Southgate in holding a group of talented players back.
Very few English fans or players value the world cup as much as perhaps other countries. During the season all you hear about is club before country. I would be interested to know how many players would rather win a world cup over a champs league