Klipper on Easy Mode? Creality Sonic Pad + Ender 5 S1 Quick Test!
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- čas přidán 3. 06. 2024
- Klipper 3D Printing firmware can be complex and duanting. Does the Creality Sonic Pad put Klipper on Easy Mode? Let's use the Sonic Pad on the Creality Ender 5 S1 to test it! Can we get some good quality 3d prints while still being fast thanks to Klipper Firmware? Is the Creality Sonic Pad any good or worth buying? Check out this video for a quick install and product review.
My Designs: thangs.com/MandicReally
Corner Brace STLs: than.gs/m/22154
Extrusion Cap STLs: than.gs/m/825217
Sonic Pad source code IS available on Github here: github.com/CrealityOfficial/C...
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TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 - Intro
0:40 - The Sonic Pad
2:08 - Ender 5 S1 Mods
3:35 - Sonic Pad Connection
4:20 - Config Issues
5:27 - Input Shaper
6:36 - Print Testing
10:06 - Is it worth it?
11:48 - License Issue
12:45 - Outro
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I just got this bundle. Watched a ton of videos on it, and yours is the only one I've seen with the probe settings being off and how to fix it. Thank you for that! Hoping I don't need to do that but I know where to come back to in case I do!
Thanks for sharing your corner braces stl!
I was considering this, until you mentioned the license violation. As an active member of an open source project, that's not okay, and I know how it feels to be on the receiving end.
Same here. I was also considering trying the Sonic Pad for a future printer build, but this reason was a deal-breaker for me.
I've located source code for the Sonic Pad now. I cannot say for sure if this is all they need to be coming into compliance, but the source code is available on GitHub. I failed to located it before posting this video unfortunately. It can be found here: github.com/CrealityOfficial/Creality_Sonic_Pad
I'll have to try and reach out to some folks to see if this is all of it, or if it is up to date.
@@PedroLamas I’d be happy to have contact with you folks. The K1 is coming and looks to be the same implementation of Klipper to me.
@@MandicReally no idea right now (once again, Creality did not contact us), but then again the K1 looks like a copycat from Bambu Labs X1 Carbon. We have a very good relation with BigTreeTech (no, we are not sponsored by them) and they normally contact us to test and confirm stuff, but Creatlity just takes, makes their own, and sell it...
Lol only dummies are worried about that 😂
The config issues on this out of the box are just silly, I ran into some as well.
Love the camera slider work.. And the front bar delete. I'm going to have to try that one!
If you want to try out some of the mods I've been working on drop me a line and I can send you some models. A new fan duct really helps with addressing the part cooling issues.
I have them behind a $1 Patreon paywall but can send you the STLs.
Also I put one of the PCBs on there that I showed you at ERRF.
I got the sonic pad a few months ago and had a few issues with the earlier firmware, now its much better, but you have to be aware of the vibration sensor that came with the earlier batches that has wiring issues. Its much easier than starting from zero and i also like that you cam control more than one printer at a time.
There IS Source Code available for the Sonic Pad. I wasn't able to locate it when filming this video but have now. You can find it on GitHub here: github.com/CrealityOfficial/Creality_Sonic_Pad
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Just so you know: The recent update of Creality's firmware crashed my Sonic Pad. I was down for a couple of WEEKS waiting for a special usb cable to fix the problem, and then I was involved in the total wiping of my Sonic Pad's firmware so I could reinstall the latest version of that firmware on my Sonic Pad. This involved 7Up to unzip ten files, and Phoenix Suit (no, NOT SUITE!), which is a POS program. You seem like an intelligent person, so I'm sure you could handle a full-on crash. But when it's Creality's Download, and they refused to take responsibility for putting out a crappy update, well . . . we all have feelings, and frankly, I'll never forget how the big C made my life SUCK for three, almost four weeks!
I read about a user who spent the first day of his Sonic Pad doing updates, he did manage to get a print done after initial setup but after the updates the pad was running but not correctly and it would not start a print and just hung up , six days later there was a whole host of updates again which fixed most of the issues from the previous updates but also introduced somw new ones, at this point it was packaged back up and returned for a refund.
Excellent video. I really appreciate your approach to all this and give great feedback when needed. What do you do for a living? (Other than CZcams) you mentioned being a power user, in what for see you one? You sure know your stuff and I value your amazing knowledge it’s super helpful.
I'm a full time Content Creator. Social media content (CZcams, TIkTok, Instagram, etc), my 3D Designs, Patreon, all add up to be my job. It is an uphill battle at such a small scale, but this IS my job!
I think it was yesterday another creator showed there is an update on the sonic pad. Since it be pricey for multiple machines. The update lets it run up to 4 printers, but 1 camera. Also can't wait to se your mercury 5+ build. as been looking at it. Not much documentation, but I feel your explanation might be a big help.
A Raspberry pi with a USB hub can run multiple printers too. I didn't want to turn this into a big review testing the multi-printer support unfortunately. Good to know it works out though. Was that JJShankles video? I saw last night that he had just put out a video and told him I had this one coming. I purposely didn't watch it to not inform my own video based off of his.
@@MandicReally it was ModBot, my bad i watched it last night. But he stated that the December update in his 1/7/23 video it can now do it.
Thanks for the video. Couldn't find your little corner covers on your Thangs. I like the idea. Dang top bar is a pain! BTW, my E5S1 is printing great. Uped all the travel speeds to 2K, after initial layer and usually print from 180 to 240 speed in cura 5.3.
Here are the braces: than.gs/m/22154
Thanks! The hardware of the E5S1 is capable on Marlin too. I’ll be converting it back now that this video is done. Rather the next owner just have a push button experience when I give it away.
@@MandicReally I'm printing out a brace right now. The other piece I was refering to is the little one that covers the corner where you removed the top from frame. My Sonic pad arrives Monday. Not going to use it on the 5S1 right away. Got a few other bed slingers to try first. Thanks again.
@@nolanmanley5359 ohhhh, sorry. I haven’t released that one yet. It needs one tweak, I’ll comment again with the url when I get it up. 👌🏻
Here are the Extrusion Caps: than.gs/m/825217
@@MandicReally Thanks Alan. Looks nice!
I'm running klipper on an orange pi zero 2 and its amazing. it was $35. it was hard to setup Klipper. all the documentation could be daunting, but if you take your time its a learning curve.
i will never go back to Marlin!
@mandicreally any chancwe you have your orca profile for the ender 5 s1 avialble on one of your sites?
great vid, thank you. what are you thoughts on top-front bar-delete mod after 7 months? can i take the front bar off my new ender 5 s1 without hurting my print quality?
I ended up returning mine. I had issues with USB ports no longer being detected and in several cases, I had communication drop out mid print. It seems like my experience wasn't isolated. Creality now offers a serial cable of some sorts for communication to the printer.
They fixed the config fine in an update. Its now X=0 and y=45. So its closer to what you have. There is stll an issue with the stock printer.cfg because the autolevel will not work till you change the mesh min and max.
I have a similar probe issue. Mine misses on the left side of the bed. New to klipper. where/how can I access the config controls on the sonic pad.
I am also a 5S1 user and need to customize the g-code for the 5S1 to be set in Cura. Can you share the g-code?
I really feel the cooling duct on the 5 S1 could be better shaped. I'm toying with a design idea that allows for use of the single 5015 with better airflow placement
You can still get the graphs for input shaping... you have to go in with winscp... but u need to first run the commands in a terminal like putty
I have just bought the ender 5 s1 and while auto leveling the probe runs off the left side of the bed, so as you can guess I am a beginner.
any help I would be thankful.
During setup, you can see you selected the Ender 5 S1 option without Z axis limit switch. There are 2 versions of this printer, an earlier version with Z axis limit switch and 3D printed part cooling shroud, and a newer version without Z axis limit switch and an injection molded part cooling shroud, both listed in the sonic pad machine selection options. The new version has a different design for the part cooling shroud which is what the CR touch is mounted to, and it also has a different position. At 4:01, it looks like you had the right one selected for your model, (without z axis limit switch), but in the next shot, you are setting up the version with the yellow tag in the top left corner that says no Z axis limit switch. I can see that your model has the 3D printed shroud, and at 4:01, can also see your z axis limit switch. Looks like you chose the wrong version during setup, which is why your bl touch offsets were wrong. I have the version with the Z axis limit switch as well, and checked sonic pad my .cfg, and the offsets are 0,45, I never changed them. I have seen this be a big confusion point in the E5S1/sonic pad community, maybe Creality needs to do a better job clarifying, maybe adding a warning during setup to double check.
Hey I only have one option for ender 5 s1 on my sonic pad. How do I get the other to come up?
i have an s5 pro that i hadnt used for a long time. left it on, and tucked a new bed surface underneath it to keep on deck since i had some leveling issues when i first got it. its been sitting for a long time. the blocking of the air intake killed my board. i bought a new board now a couple years? ago? i dont know. havent used it. so a few weeks ago i decided to swap the board, discovered klipper. have a pi3b, installed that and kipper - no wifi....but appears my pi's wifi is toast. its been years since i used that too. and its hard to get module drivers running on mainsail
but within a couple hours i went from nothing to fully working. the presets for Z rotations/distance were wrong but that took a few short prints (though they were unattended so the longer printing time i didnt see the fail in real time - should have been obvious quick)
i am learning cad software, which is new. used 2d cad in the 90s but this is different.
brute forced some useful parts without diving into how to use the software. this will improve.
And the moment when you want to do _ANYTHING_ with Klipper or your machine (BLTouch, other touch probes, etc) -- the creality pad makes it a pain in the ass and harder than just learning how to do it properly.
Any chance of some discussion of using the HP Notepad?
I did an ad for Ifixit on Instagram showing that project a bit. Maybe I’ll revisit it with a short at some point.
Can you please link where I can find the End caps you used? Great video Thanks
I haven’t uploaded them yet as they need a minor tweak. I’ll get them up asap.
@@MandicReally awesome thank you!!!
Here are the Extrusion Caps: than.gs/m/825217
@@MandicReally thank you sir!
sod raspberry pi try the khadas v1.1 i did half price more memory cpu power works mint with octoprint dont know about clipper never tried it but its a though on one of your videos if u would like to try and show users how versatile this unit it and the price point
Big no go that only creality provides firmware updates. They couldn't even provide firmware for their neo line up - a week after launch...
hello.. can you get the stl of this cap that you removed the front bar and replaced it with this cape...thanks
I will soon. They need a minor update. I’ll try and reply to this with an URL when I upload them soon. 👌🏻
@@MandicReally tks man ! your video so perfect ! i'm buy 5 s1
Here are the Extrusion Caps: than.gs/m/825217
@@MandicReally tks man !!
Hi! Fixable cap model available?
than.gs/m/825217
Anyone know if this would work with an original Ender 3 WITH BTT Mini E3 V2 motherboard upgrade?
And don't forget that you have to rely on Creality for any updates and they are always way behind.
I called that out in a note overlayed on the screen, definitely a negative. Especially if they ever just stop updating altogether.
@@MandicReally I must have missed that, probably got distracted by our dogs 🐶
I'm just going to put a voron print head on my new ender 5 s1 XD
The fingerprints on the screen are freakin killing me
Creality SonicPad, the fire starter.
what i like about the sonic pad is i can run 4 printers at the same time using just 1 sonic pad
A Pi with a usb hub can do that as well, just not as simple to configure that way. Which there is a lot to be said there.
@@MandicReally I think the idea is the simplification of the process. Not to belittle what’s been done with raspberry pi or 3D printing in general but even I have, at times, struggled and for me (and to read online I’m not alone) it’s not fun and isn’t enjoyable. Not that some don’t enjoy that aspect but to grow market share and customer base things eventually are made easier so that more people can use any given product.
And as you mentioned raspberry pi’s aren’t exactly easily available and they aren’t as cheap as they once were. A sonic pad preloaded with klipper is a veritable steal comparatively. Now if it were just as easy to use it with non creality machines I could see them flying off the shelf. If it were easy to use with anycubic and prusa I’d consider a purchase since it’s either get those running on klipper or get rid of them and buy faster printers.
I think your going to start seeing more printer manufacturers moving away from open source. As good as open source is for end users it’s bad for companies that are now scrambling to innovate and remain relevant in a rapidly changing world of 3D printing.
First my thoughts on the sonic pad. It’s a bandaid to fix issues printers have suffered from for too long. More modern printers should come with klipper. They for too long have relied on inferior processors limiting them to marlin firmware. From what I can see klipper enabled printers far out perform marlin printers in almost every aspect. And if Bambu labs success has taught us anything it’s that people want good quality prints with faster print speed. I contend that had manufacturers embraced the fact that klipper delivers better overall performance Bambu might not have exploded the way it has.
Now some thoughts on klipper, it’s not “easy” at least for just anyone to do it. The sonic pad helps with that issue with creality printers but to use it on other machines means having to do more steps. If it’s not adapted to make it easier more people will move over to machines like Bambu produces and either the old slow printers sit on a shelf and collect dust, live in a land fill or are sold for next to nothing second hand to someone who has the ability to use klipper or someone who doesn’t know any better. I think klipper certainly will give older machines new life, or at least help keep them more relevant short term. But I think any out of the box fdm printer for sure produced a year ago is on borrowed time as the game has certainly changed.
ive got a problem with some of those rip offs... the sonic pad , prusa, and bambu are using open source in a way of locked down style. so you kinda get a open source product for a big money but locked open sourced software. im not long in this 3printing stuff very long (2years). sorry. but this turns me over against 3d printing because these rip offs... i am using a used creality 5 pro with a pi3b and klipper , and i love it (besides of the installation)!!!! get your tung stiched and dont let you be a trojan horse for the big companies :) like your vids otherwise
Plenty of companies are doing bad with Open Source and I too hate it. Problem is not everyone does, and my job is my job. I could choose to never cover these products, but then I don’t really have the chance to call out the issues or help the folks who aren’t going to care.
The only confirmed open source that Bambu is using is their Slicer. There is no proof beyond that with them. Prusa open sources most things but seems to be headed toward changing that. I’m a bit bothered they haven’t released the Mk4 stuff yet despite it being for sale. The list of companies doing it “right” is pretty short and from varying perspectives even then it’s questionable.
Idk, I’m extremely heavily leaning toward no longer reviewing products. There is too much of a minefield with this stuff these days. I just want to build printers and maker stuff, without the headaches and politics of it.
@@MandicReally I, for one, am extremely glad you outed them. I've seen mentions of this device many times and ignored it as I'm running Klipper on a bunch of machines and don't see any advantage to it. I decided to watch your video as I like your content and presentation style, and I learned more than I expected.
I had no idea Creality was *again* violating open source licenses. They can no longer claim they don't understand what Open Source is after the last time.
Please don't get discouraged... this video was definitely a service to the community in more ways than one. :)
I bought the Sonic Pad, used it for awhile, and then promptly sent it back. At present, I am using an old SFF desktop PC running Ubuntu, with KIAUH as the method to install Klipper and requirements......and I'm using this single PC connected to four different printers. Once you have a decent understanding of how the Klipper components work together, you're better off rolling your own solution so you can have full control of all settings and data, and then you aren't supporting Creality when they're blatantly violating licensing. There are a number of profiles already available out of box when you setup Klipper (not just Creality), and if there isn't one, I'm pretty sure the community has one if you ask. Personally, I am done with Creality. They are an awful company, with awful practices, and exceedingly awful support. (I've been waiting over a week now for a reply from Creality support, it's pretty pathetic.)
P.S. Loving my Elegoo Neptune 3 Max!!! ❤
ugh. i am a landlocked lunatic but those viking roots come through. "bow" is not pronounced like a bow on a present. bow, like you do in asia.
I’m aware but left it cause it’s funnier to me. Almost put a note on the screen that said “Bow NOT Bow”. 😅🤣
@@MandicReally first of all, i am a j but clearly not a big enough J. well to be accurate, i dont practice the j religion at all, but i come from a maternal line.
but your collection. i gave away all my money years ago, which, in hindsight, is pretty stupid, but you have the wherewithal to have a bunch of rad shit...but you write it off.
my now largely deceased j fam would have been proud. "oh avi, you are doing cute accountant tricks"(i dont even speak hebrew or yiddish).
uhh. so what i am i think getting at, is that we need, here, not just videos about how to tune your accelerometers or the best slicer settings (which i need because i am an rword) but also the useful tools my jew family would be proud of to write everything off. though this is not true for me. i literally give my money away and do not write off what i can, nothing at all. should i? yes. do i have any inclination to? not really. i will be so poor by the time i give it all away that nothing else matters, not to quote metallica too much ;) its weird.
its trash without root access, and dont rely on creality support
You can get root access since an update came some weeks ago. But it might not bring much since Creality made some weird decisions and uses proprietary software and modified versions of the open source software.
@@buzzjoe I was happy to get rid of sonic and install orange
Trash for some hackers, gold for for a few million normal people 😊
@@leiflindqvist9095 hackers? You can't even remotely control it.
I’ve had trouble trying to find options when it comes to extruder/Hotend replacements and mods. Also really would like to make this a corexy somehow. Is that possible? Pleaseeee some help
Hi Alan, great video as always. I just got mine a few days ago. For someone that has no idea how to install klipper it's great. One question, are you able to print from the USB port on the Sonic Pad? I have tried so many times and it won't read the thumb drive. I tried every port on the Pad and nothing. Just wondering if I am doing something wrong. Thanks again for all your videos they help a lot.
To my knowledge the only way to achieve that is to redirect Fluidd to look to the USB drive as the G-code location. That would replace the internal storage as the file location. I’ve never tried it personally and I cannot say for certain that the Sonic Pad’s implementation of Klipper can achieve it.
Network transfer is first and foremost the intended use with Klipper. It’s part of what I sometimes prefer about marlin personally.
@@MandicReally OK then that answers my question and why I can't get it to work. There is no way someone that knows nothing about this stuff and new to 3D printing can do that. Thanks a lot and you have a great weekend and holiday.
The thumb drive goes in the top back usb drive. Not on the two usb ports on the left. You connect your printer via the middle usb port on the pad to the usb port on your printer.