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Jay, hey man i'm a disabled vet and because of your videos i learned to build computers (a hobby i can still do every few years market permitting). i know it doesn't mean much but i just want to say thank you
Hey do you have a job? If not I totally understand btw because you have a disability but you should look for a volunteering job of computer recycling I saw one not long ago and it seems like a really fun thing tbh tearing down pcs and making them obviously you probably don't get to keep them but yeah seems good probably my plan at retirement tbh
Thank you for your service to the great USA, sir!
*Salute*
God bless you for your service.
Thank you for your service..... I am on SSDI so it is all about what I can afford and I am also not a gamer. I want to do videos but do not need a big system. I just want it organized on the inside and in the programs for performance. Putting one together is not to hard but computer language and understand what everything does is hard. Trying to remember all of it is even harder. It look me years to get around Win 7 now jumping into Win 10 then THEY ungraded my system to Win 11 so I might make a clean install back to Win 10. I liked it better.
Honestly I admire your spunk and drive keep up being awesome hopefully I can do stuff like this when I get old and am able to just be in my garage building pcs
I'd love to see a truly no nonsense build, only caring about performance per dollar.
Would be something like my (now older build) of an i5-8400, 16gigs of ddr4 2666 and a 1650Super gpu.
Should happen when the next months price drop happens. No one wants those 6600XTs lol
@@T-DsGaming Sounds about right, I went with a mainly value oriented build with a R5 2600, RX580 8GB, 2x8GB 3200 RAM, and a B450 Tomahawk. My only regret is the 550w PSU that will need swapped if I want a more powerful GPU. I use it mainly for older games like CSGO and GTAV, some light photo and video editing and running Kali in VMware. Meets all of my needs just fine
Then you might as well buy a used PC from 5-10 years ago for maybe $200-300, since performance per $ is now only going get worse with time, even without a silicon shortage. I still use a W7 PC built in 2012. Only has a 1080ti (replaced a Radeon 7970 4 years ago), 3770k (4 cores/8 threads), and 16GB DDR3-1600 but that is still more than adequate for most sane things (ie not protein folding, rendering AVN's, testing nukes, predicting the weather, training an AI, etc). Performance is overrated and just marketing bullshit if you don't actually need or use it (ie I'm a movie collector often Handbraking a bunch of raw bluray dump downloads to h265 and since I'm not falling behind on my job list after running that 24/7 I don't need a faster cpu, a 1080 ti is still good enough for just about all games if you don't care about 4k or raytracing, etc). No one needs a Porche 911 for just a daily commute to work (unless you also street race or something).
The most bang for buck is a used office pc with a 7th gen i7 and throw in a 3050 which takes most of its power of pci e Lane and a Sata to 6 pin.
I would love to see some more budget builds like the ones you hinted at. Makes perfect sense to cut all the unnecessary features out to save money.
Love your videos, times have been rough and even though people arent building I'm sure we all love to watch your content from time to time. Never stop, please.
Jay, have you ever made a video showing the performance of cards over the generations. Say like Performance of a 980 to 1080 to 2080 to 3080 to see the generation improvement and to see some awesome Phil bar graphs
Just watch Hadware Unboxed, I don't think Jay would torture himself with that much work... Steve does, he love that lol
There are a ton of website reviews that show this
At first I thought you were asking about a video detailing the performance of a card over the course of it's expected lifespan taking into account driver updates and optimizations. This would also be interesting. I feel like just like consoles, GPUs get better as they go... most of the time. Some updates have me rolling back like a Walmart sale but for better or worse there's probably some stories to tell in there
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It would obviously be mostly historical and "useless" info but an interesting topic maybe. I've always stuck with Nvidia because it's my understanding they are better than Radeon at keeping things up to date driver-wise. But I never really hear much about Radeon in general but I might be looking at something different after my experience with the entry level 20 series cards. Borderline false advertising to have RTX on the shroud of a 2060.
I've been building PCs for 30 years and all I can say is: "yup." Good job.
Wow , 30 years man ! Did you finish building it yet ?
@@chakeer5176 doesn't seem like it
I used win2000 pro serv i liked how it had multi cpu support so used it in my first multi core build .. liked how you can assign cpus for processes .. i assigned games to core 2
@@darunealbane the good old days.
1997 was the beginning for me
@@davkdavk win95 was my start
i used win2000se till i was forced to upgrade for 64 support
Hi Jay. I'm on my second build now and both times I called heavily on your back catalogue of extremely helpful videos and tutorials to get me through. Just wanted to say thanks.
I started watching you a few months ago, along with a few other similar channels. Yall taught me enough to build my own with absolutely no experience. I did it and its so sick! Thank you for all the informative videos. I literally couldn't have done it without you. ❤
Jay you should do some kind of a showdown where you build an ultimate system that is near top of the line and then build your best bang for the buck system and show just how much you lose when you compare the two and just how much money that extra performance costs you.
Better yet, do the same showdown but with the budget rig with settings turned down far enough to get the same frame rates as the top tier rig. Show a fidelity side by side for how much that ray tracing and 4k resolution costs you.
As a programmer, I appreciate my 9900K. Compiling code is one of the few tasks that can be multithreaded really effectively. Multithreaded compiling can change my compile time on large projects from minutes to second, which real adds up over the course of a project.
While true that it does make a difference, what also makes a difference is structuring the project so that full rebuilds are rare. Doing this and setting the IDE to build on save I almost never notice waiting for building. Depends on language and platform of course. I used to work with the build system for a large company’s cell phone platform, which was tens of millions of lines of code in C and this was so heavy to build it took a cluster of 16 dedicated servers over 15 minutes to do a full rebuild and it was monolithic so no partial builds was possible.. but I digeess…
my 8600k and my friend's 9700k Have less FPS with a 3080 / 3070 respectively than a friend who has 9900k in some games like FF14.
I agree. Teaching myself Unreal Engine 5 and frequently waiting for shared project shader recompilations (which are handled by CPU threads) is what motivated most to build a new 12th gen i9 PC to replace my aging 4th gen i7 system. (These are mostly one-time events but still would take hours each time.) It wasn't gaming being slow - which actually was still pretty decent for me. If we're smart we'll buy components that best fit the tasks we're trying to accomplish.
I'm just breaking into building. Is a 9900k an Intel processor?
@@edwinafamefuna4383 Yes. It was the top of the line 9th gen consumer Intel processor. While it is still a good processor, I wouldn't build a new system with it. For budget builds or mid-level builds, I would go with a Ryzen current gen processor. For a high-end build, you really can't beat the i9 12900k, the current top of the line processor.
As someone from the Tropics region of the world. I was using an air cooler. But I was hitting almost 80 C on CPU during gameplay. Switched to an AIO and I'm going 69C max. I'm happy with it. It really didn't give me a performance boost, but definitely cured my Anxiety of the CPU going in flames. Cooler vs Anxiety is a good trade.
xD yeah its pretty good trade
fwiw modern cpu's are basically designed to hit 95c (amd) or 105c (intel). 80C is hot but very "fine". Lower is better, sure, but not really a big deal either.
@@JgHaverty What "modern" CPUs are we talking here?
@@alfi9981 probably since the 4790k started with thermal limit at 90c... 80c wont even throttle any cpus made inthe last 10 years. j
@@alfi9981 the 13900k for instance wont even *Start* throttling until 100c.
Wow... Just a big THANK YOU very much. I've been retired from IT for 10 years, and SOO Much has changed as i start to get back in to Building PC's.
After watching several of your videos, I've realized where I could improve. (Buying what you need etc. without going over board.)
Educational and helpful. Many Many thanks.
I'll attest to that Vetroo V5. I put one on my Ryzen 9 5900x and it kept the idle temps 33-38C. Load, non-overclocked, at 65C pulling 135 watts. Even overclocked at 85C pulling 190 watts. It did have 2 fans attached to it. It truly is a wonderous cheap cooler. I can't recommend that thing enough.
can it be used in LGA 1700 12 gen intel cpu?
What would you say your average ambient temperature is? Or are you like me where it varies vastly from summer to winter?
@@sujanmj23 u can buy the bracket kit from them
@@sujanmj23 I have the Vetrii V5, intel brackets should be included
@@sujanmj23 you have to buy the 1700 brackets for 7 or 8 dollars.
Thats what I did for the i5 12600k and it works amazingly with it, Idle temps 21C, max temp with Cinebench running 73C, @15C ambient temps
I'd totally love to see you make more videos about affordable and realistic builds.
Right I'm sure he has enough parts laying around to do a few videos about it.
Remember he is talking about strictly gaming. Most use their computers for other things other than just gaming.
Like the Grandma Build he did a little while ago... but I feel like it kinda gets away from the "Jay-nesssss" of the channel.
(I would appreciate some "cheapest watercooled system possible" videos though)
Hey man, thanks a bunch for making videos like these. I've been watching for a while and I'm finally building my pc within the next week and all your stuff has been an awesome resource. It's awesome to see so much content online for people getting into pc building.
Coming into this video a month late, I found myself chuckling when in a video sponsored by Kioxia NVMe drives, Jay explains that "you don't really need an NVMe drive."
I've recently found that gen 3 NVMe are going for the same price of SATA SSDs with the same capacity. I just picked up two gen 3 NVMe from Sabrent with 2TB for $180 each. Crazy deal.
I think he was more talking about SATA HDDs.
@@Dyonivan nope, Jay is talking about SATA SSDs
Thats been my experience with gen 3 nvme.
@@MrThejograt I’m tempted to believe he misspoke and was actually meaning HDD, because that’s the only part of this video that didn’t make sense to me.
@@Dyonivan sata hdd should never be used for a windows partition. They are just garbage slow and VERY noticeable.
Your points on power supplies is spot on. Up until I built me latest modern build I was running a 10-year old 750W Corsair 80 Bronze PSU. And only because I needed more connectors.
i only got a new psu because my 1200w one was too large to fit the now smaller tower i was building in :D
I'd truly like to thank you for admitting that things you may have done on your channel were possibly "part of the problem" (even though I don't necessarily see it that way) and are heading back to the roots for the sake of your fans.
I don't think you guys should feel bad or like you've done anything wrong by building all those crazy machines and pushing everything to the max.
Anyone who has followed this channel for even a small amount of time should know how practical and no-bullshit the information you present is, and realize that wild builds like Skunkworks is NOT the standard consumer (maybe not even standard enthusiast) reality as far as price is concerned. but those videos are so great!
It really shows where your heart is by switching gears from your passion projects so that you can help keep others from being robbed blind by useless "bells and whistles" or entirely impractical things.
Thanks again, from myself and all your fans.
Another point Jay did not mention in favor of SATA SSD's is that generally their performance is very stable at max speed for large file transfers. NVME drives, especially budget ones, will get hot and throttle speed massively (slow down to HDD speeds) on big sustained file transfers (like multi GB's).
I've been sticking to Ryzen 5 cpus, they get the job done and I'm still using an MSI GTX 1070ti with no issues. I don't really care for ray tracing so I've never seen a reason to blow the cash on anything higher or newer
Yeah a 1070 is pretty healthy at this point.
It might not put out the constant 144+ fps as when it was new, but somewhere along the way Nvidia enabled Freesync so we're good for a few more years I think.
i'm exactly in same boat, built a 1600nd 1070ti back in 2017, upgraded to 5600x in jan nd still everything is more than I need at 1080p 144hz
1070ti really aged well, glad I got it before all of this GPU apocalypse honestly
What in a game actually determines more or less CPU use?
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always good to have a reality check on the marketing from components, been looking for upgrades recently and now maybe I'll wait for better hardware
I was using a thermaltake toughpower 850w power supply for 12 years of more or less nonstop use, probably closer to 50% of the rated capacity, and never had one issue. Before I replaced it, the voltages still looked pretty decent. I figured 12 years was long enough and it had a good life. I upgraded to a modular PSU that can support the current video cards with no problem.
I really like this video. Back when I had no idea about the computer hardware/software, a video like this would've helped me a crap ton. This is a very detailed video with a very good explanation of what is what, especially for someone that has no idea about anything, this will help a lot of people that are trying to educate themselves in computers. Thanks for making this video :)
The SATA vs. NVME test sounds fun. Another idea I haven't found any videos exploring would be something along the lines of what would be better, in raw performance and performance per dollar, a GPU that is set for water-cooling from the manufacturer (i.e. PowerColor 6900 XT Liquid Devil) vs. an air-cooled GPU that you install a waterblock on yourself.
Its also a good idea to make sure your OS drive isn't an SATA drive, even if its solid state. SATA only runs half duplex. If you're running on an SATA SSD and you install something, your whole computer falls to the mercy of the SSD. On the flip-side, SATA SSDs are pretty good for relatively fast storage now. Hard disk drives by that point only should only be strictly for giant storage.
As for the water cooling it’s dependent on the generation and design. My factory AIO cooled EVGA 1080ti FTW hybrid used only a 120mm liquid cooler and that thing never got hot even with high over clocks. Meanwhile my factory cooled EVGA 3090 FTW3 ultra hybrid using a 240mm AIO gets extremely hot easily into the 80c range in cyberpunk to the point I turned off over clocks over the summer because it was getting to hot, this also has to do with half the vram chips being on the back side. I’ve just started tearing it apart to custom water cool it. I would say a high end water block would always have better contact and just the amount of fluid in an open loop has a lot more thermal mass, however you need to keep up on maintenance
There's no reason to go with sata anymore. Price difference at 1tb is maybe $10 if you go really cheap. In most cases sata is more expensive. At 2tb there's no price difference.
@@DimiS1978 No reason? Multiple Drives without the need for expansion cards? How many Motherboards have 4 or 6 NVMe slots?
@@DimiS1978 not everyone lives in the clouds, many of us still use local storage
Had my finances allowed at the time (before prices went stupid), my current 'new' system would likely have had a 2700X (remember when they were selling for $165), and a 1660 Super on a B450 Tomahawk motherboard. Even that would have been more computer than I'd have needed. Then things went nuts with cryptomining and shipping delays and suddenly that really decent sub $1000 system became a $1600 system if not more and that assuming one could even get the GPU at all. There was no way I was going to spend that amount on that level performance so I ended up with a system with a 5900X (was only like $70 more than a 5800X and I do use the extra cores for some things) and a 3070. Sure I had to order through an SI and wait 10 weeks, but I didn't pay scalper prices and have a system that is basically overkill for a lot of what I do, but it sure is nice when I load up something like Cities Skylines and don't bog down or have to worry about how many tabs and apps I have running. It should last me 10 years baring anything actually failing (I'm not joking).
Make sure to keep it clean 😍👍🏻
@@LutzHardstyle Yep, blow the dust out every couple months and will be doing a deep clean in the next month or so.
whats an SI?
here in brazil things are crazy because everything is expensive even before the crypto crisis, our coin is worthless, and you need to work a whole year or more to pay a pc
@@notrycat2201 System Integrator. Basically a pre-built.
True on the CPU aspect. I was hesitant about upgrading to an RTX 3070 with my Ryzen 5 3600 cpu because a lot of people said there was performance left on the table unless i upgraded it but with my use case (sim racing in VR) I'm still mostly GPU bottlenecked because of the high demand in VR
I've been out of the loop a bit for a few years, thinking the inflated prices make it pointless to build a pc.
I really appreciate these videos Jay, it's giving me some hope that I don't need to pay thousands of dollars for a new gaming pc.
It's not pointless, the new GPUs are made purely for 2k/4k monitors. For a 1080p 144hz u can choose a 3070 or heck even a 4060 ti and you'd be good. It sucks but that's how it is
i just got a 6650xt the other day, cheap, better then a 3060, maybe 10 frames less then a 4060 most of the time but about 40% less, got myself a 10400 cpu, 8 cores and more then good enough but at a really good price. what can i say? my wife bitches if i spend too much hahahaha
upgrading from a 1050ti to a rx 6650 is going to be huge for me! i am excited
@farmerpandasyoutube4800 lol typical wife thing. And they are okay spending $500 for a new set of nails
@@visitante-pc5zc dont even get me started man lmao. directly after moaning i spend too much for buying a graphics card for the first time in like seven years "hey can i get these boots?"
Really good down to earth advice! I have been running a R5 3500x, 16Gb 3200, RX5500XT 8Gb machine for over a year now. At 1080p this setup is more than adequate for my needs. I am lucky to have a trusted local computer specialist that offered me a good price for my build especially considering recent supply problems/scalping. £350 for B550M/3500x/16Gb 3200 bundle and £290 for the 8Gb Sapphire Pulse card. I decided on a fairly budget build so I could afford a decent case, AIO, nvme drive, 650watt supply as well as gaming peripherals, monitor etc. The plan is that when prices eventually hopefully get back to sanity I have a decent foundation for future upgrades. :-)
Actually, your big high-powered builds showed me where I could cut corners and get similar performance. I've enjoyed all your builds that I have watched. You said everything I just did with my new system on a budget. Thanks for all the help you have given to me so far and in the future.
Which video is that? Sorry, I'm new to the channel and to building
I'm still running on an amd phenom II and the bottleneck is the memory controller. The CPU is still good enough to run 3 virtual machines at once and have several tabs open in Firefox on each system. On my next PC in 5-10 years, I'm gonna use ddr4 or better to combat this issue.
Love the video Jay! keep it up! finding the sweet spot for a build is always a challenge, but I'd definitely go for more videos that explain the fair tradeoffs for PC hardware like RAM and CPU with regards to clock speed, or CPU & GPU in regards to which component may bottleneck before the other is even breaking a sweat. Also, more ITX builds would be fun, small beefy machines that would look good as a console in the living room.
Thanks, Jay looking to build a pc this year if prices keep going back to normal and i never thought of picking GPU then look at PSU due to how many pins it needs , last time i built a pc it was IDE yes long time ago keep up the great videos ( and crazy ones) fun to watch still thinking 8 core cpu as its the hardest thing to swap out on a upgrade
For nvme drives, if you're OK with a gen 3, I've seen 1 terabyte nvme's for near the same price as SATA when on sale
Yea if speed of the drive is not going into the argument anyways, then gen 3 nvme drives are actually cheaper than SSDs at my local retailers and most online shops too. Even comparing within the same brand, nvme is often cheaper. Rn I can get 2tb kingston nvme gen 3 for 20% cheaper than 1.8tb SSD (also from kingston). And even gen 3 nvme is still vastly faster than any sata SSD.
Do make sure both are the same memory type for a proper comparison. I'd prefer a Sata with TLC memory compared to an NVMe Gen 3 with QLC memory.
@@CheapBastard1988 I wouldn't , 3.5GB/s burst is better than 500 sustained for most people anyday
@@llortaton2834 yeah but QLC sucks
if you are gaming gen 4 is a waste of money over gen 3.
LTT did the drive test thing.
People chose the SATA drive as "feeling faster" in a lot of cases.
Awesome video for the home user. Very helpful this is definitely a CZcams video style I never get sick of. That said sometimes it's nice to see the top end top end of the top end. Like a 1985 mustang vs the new corvette C8.
Thanks Jay for the information, always learning some new info from your videos. Helps me with know what to get to do a new build without overspending for functions that arent needed
Thanks for bringing some balance to the discussion. Even though you build huge, unnecessarily expensive computers, I have to say that's a lot of what makes the channel so much fun to watch. I *like* watching you put together something that I would never be able to afford myself. It's good for people to remember they don't actually need to spend that much.
One thing I've learned is to never cheap out on the psu. Get one that is gold or higher and has a good warranty with good reviews that shows it was built with good components.
I've always been a budget/mid-level buyer with my PC builds, and once my pc was complete, over time I would upgrade parts here and there as I could afford to to keep it somewhat current. I kept an FX-6100 Zambezi in my system for many years until I upgraded to an A10-7870k, which I kept until Ryzen. When I upgraded from Ryzen 1600 to a 2700x, I changed my MOBO from a B350 to an X570, which I'm still using. GPUs have always been mid/high level and maybe a generation behind. Right now I'm very happy with my 5800X/6900XT build. Just swapped cases for the first time in 9 years, as the 6900XT was too big for my old case. The next upgrade will be a more modern PSU. My Corsair TX850M is about 9-10 years old. Still going strong, but a modern 850 will likely be more efficient.
18:40 I totally agree. I did a speed test on my 2TB SATA vs Nvme.2 by copy/pasting 35GB of game files (lots of smaller files,) as one would for a full backup. The speed difference was barely there.
I built my first PC in 10 years 6 months ago. I've been swapping out parts and doing some fun upgrades along the way. Everything I learned about what you need and what you don't need is exactly what Jay said in this video.
There are some things I actually disagree with Jay on for build. IE only getting what you need right now, had I done so I could have afforded one of the extremely overpriced GPU's last spring but I sincerely doubt I would have the butter smooth experience that I currently have even a year later. I had a $3000 budget last year and went with mid to high tier components across the board including room for a new GPU but after 3 to 4 months of sitting on $1000 left over for GPU I gave up and just bought a new, bigger, monitor and some nice peripherals n such to round out my system nicely.
Honestly, I really wanted to get a 3070 for my build a year ago, but had to settle for a 3060 due to my local Micro Center actually having them in. I'm glad I didn't splurge the extra money now, and it works perfectly fine.
I would go for 3060 but I'm a little bit concerned about it's 1440p performance. I guess it's more than enough today to run all titles on decent settings, but I don't want to be bothered with low frame rates for couple of years and games are getting more and more demanding these days. If the system struggle to run CyberPunk or Elder Ring on full details right now it will have troubles even running new games 4-5 years from now.
@@GiltleyRage You would want a 3070 for 1440. 3060's run 1080p great and 1440 fine. But 3070's actually seem to perform better on 1440 than 1080.
@@theunbearablebull Yeah, I figured 3070 would be a sweet spot for me.
I really want a 3060, but it's just not in the budget right now. Maybe by this summer it will be a little better. The 3050's current price is pretty disgusting for what it is, and because it's so lackluster it's driving up the prices of older rough equivalents. But getting something like a 1650 right now would just be so disappointing. I mean anything's better than my current system's 960, but damn.
@@TiaKatt Honestly all prices are pretty gross. If I were you, I'd wait until summer to see if you can get some price drops. Your 3060 is a great unit, so no need to rush and buy an overpriced unit. If you can wait 6-12 months maybe the 3070's will be back to realistic prices.
Hey Jay how you doing? I'm just sitting here watching one of your videos and just wanted to say you got a great channel, you really know how to boil the information down to short simple Easy to watch useful videos, and you've got a great sense of humor. After having built about five computers and spending a decade as an engineer in Cooling and fluid flows, I can tell that the information you're giving out has really good accuracy to it also. Cheers and keep up the good work.
I built my dad's pc in 2009 using a Rosewill 500W PSU, in a bottom mount case that sits on a thick Pergo carpet. That PSU is the only original component that has not been upgraded over the years, and is still chugging along with zero issues.
Thank you for thinking about realistic cost effective builds, being a father and very cognizant of budget, I probably can never afford a build from here on out especially these 10000 builds with 32TB of storage etc. Thank you for the information as a person VERY new to PCs - still trying to learn anything I can about PC gaming and parts.
I love the M.2 just for the convenience alone like you said. As a standard gamer, I can't tell the difference between sata and nvme.
also with games you aren't reading singular large files, but rather a shit ton of small files. One of the reasons the difference with gaming is so small. Now on the other hand, handling large video or cad files is another topic where the difference is felt.
Me too. When I upgraded my sata SSD to M.2, I didn't notice any difference when launching apps and games. The only difference I noticed is boot time. It's around 4 seconds faster now. lol
Love your vids. I love learning new stuff when I am going to spend for something because man, they’re so expensive. Glad to know, there’s at least ppl who value necessity more.
Great informative videos, so much praise and thanks to you and your crew. Your comment on 80 plus Gold PSUs lasting has me thinking. I've got an old Antec Quadro 850 that's been through several upgrades since around 2010, starting with my old AMD 939 board and now with an Acer OEM board featuring an i3 4150 dual-core and suprisingly decent upgrade options like PCIe v.3, an X16 slot, 3 x SATA headers, up 16 GB RAM. A modest little beast 5 or 6 years ago. No problems with the Antec in its long history with me, but I kept feeling it should be ready to fail any day now. But is it really necessary to replace it?
I'm pretty sure you gain more efficiency with the platinum and titanium PSU's, i dont think your wrong tho technically they will probably have a better circuit design w/ better components inside.
Great video, in our commercial flight simulators we lose gold PSUs. However these run years before failing. Due to the 6-7figure sims we have very clean power. I found quality brands to be more important compared to efficiency ratings
I upgraded my stock wraith prism to a V5 and its awesome, cools well, looks great, easy to fit..... Totally agree on the RAM as an AMD user for quite a while and mainly use my pc for Video, Gaming and browsing, with the odd by of video editing I went with 2666mhz, meant I could buy good storage and a large drive for Backup with what I saved (samsung 870 Pro 1tb )
This vid was 9 months ago, but I have 16gb corsair vengeance ddr4 3000mhz and I've been seeing games and programs getting my memory usage at 90-100%. One game that has been ram hungry has been Rust. I decided to put 32gb at minimum in my new system and ended up going for 64gb because I don't want to have to worry about it.
One thing I was expecting from a massive system upgrade that was more of a nice improvement, but going from a 5820K to a 5900x and 2400mhz DDR4 to 3600mhz DDR4, most applications I saw maybe seconds to minutes of overall improvement (like high poly models and rendering, Zbrush, GIMP, Iray rendering still on a 1070ti for, err, reasons), however, I'm more stable for longer durations when pushing the upper tier limits and such whereas I definitely knew when my system was going to struggle at a certain threshold before I was asking too much and risking a non-responsive crash.
Cloth sims, however, have one area I wasn't expecting a huge buff but got a big one. Now it's like the model prefers more polys than fewer and goes faster (to a point). Point being, if I were just gaming, I wouldn't have even seen much of a change at all with this level of generational equipment, strangely enough.
Also air coolers have improved HUGELY. I was a liquid cooled guy for all of the last decade, now I'm getting the same or LOWER temps on just a Hyper 212 Black than I was with a well-built 240 rad; either that or the 5900x is way more efficient when pushed over that 5820K.
yeah the 5900X has a much lower TDP despite doubling up on cores/threads compared to the 5820K, so I'd say the efficiency is a massive upgrade. outside of an overclocked 5950X or 3950X, pretty much every Ryzen CPU can run on just a basic tower cooler. That's still crazy when you look at performance numbers that Zen 3 CPU's have been putting up.
I got a m.2 SATA drive, 2TB for about 200 when I built my PC, and it was definitely speedy. I don't think I would've necessarily noticed a difference in SATA vs NVME, but I definitely appreciate the cleaner look in my case.
Not to be "that guy" but the "M.2" form factor only comes in NVMe / PCIe form while SATA SSD's are always 2.5" drives connected to the motherboard via SATA cable.
@@AtomicFallout757 Not to further be "that guy" but you're wrong. See the 860 Evo as a reference :)
@@jayjuarez9500 Samsung can call SSDs what they want in marketing ("SATA-based M.2" for example), but the interfaces at which they connect and their form factors stay true. They either connect via the PCIe interface (meaning they are in the M.2 form factor), or they connect via a SATA cable (meaning they are in the 2.5" form factor).
@@AtomicFallout757 Wrong, there are sata SSDs in the M.2 form factor I was a victim of that on my first m.2 drive and my board was PCIe only.
@@bassemzammeli1553 Never heard of or seen such a thing, but I don't claim to know everything.
Its good seeing someone make a video explaining why you can play 1080p without taking out a car loan. Running a 4th gen dual core on my kid's computer and it plays everything they want so far without an issue. It has a GTX770 4GB that was $30.00 and a non-overclock motherboard that came with the dual-core G series for $30.00. It works great and still waiting to upgrade the CPU but so far there's no need. Thank you for the video reminds me of the older GPU testing you did showing older cards are still good.
I am still using a modular Seasonic 650w 80gold psu since 2010! I remember i paid double what other PSUs cost at the time but it was worth it. it still looks and works like new.
I built my PC in 2020 before everything went to hell and have a 3700x and a 2070 Super and still in 2022 everything still looks great. The only thing I upgraded was adding more storage and I did a transfer to a new case.
That’s a very good PC.
I have a 3700x and 2070 super combo. I play mostly single player by myself, and my cpu usage rarely hits 50% with hyperthreading on. But i dont ha e a second screen or other background stuff going on. Couldve gotten by woth a six core chip.
For the bit about SSDs,
Thats exactly what I had assumed beforehand, but when I ended up actually looking into them for whatever reason locally in the 500gb and 1tb SSD space, both SATA and M.2 drives have the exact same prices.
That's the thing I've found interesting over the past few years. I expected 2.5" SSD's to drop in price substantially (maybe not to HDD levels but still) and yet at this point it's still a better option to just get an NVMe SSD since you're getting the same space for the price but with significantly increased read/write speeds.
i have a seasonic 1250 platinum that has been running in a system 24/7/365 since july 2012 and the entire machine is still running perfectly though repurposed for a cnc machine. i built 3 identical machines two are still running full time, the third i wanted the case for my upgrade. ( i just love the older corsair obsidian cases) but its parts are still functioning backups for if my cnc or laser machines should fail a part. I always believe get the absolute best parts you can, then use them longer than you would have imagined possible.2 of the 3 gtx 780sc cards have code 43d on me so i replaced them with quadro cards since they arent needed for gaming and the screen looks better with the quadros anyways.
In 2011 I bought a 1200w plat corsair psu and a haf x case. Everyone said it was overkill. I am using them both in a build I am putting together right now.
I'd love to see not just a budget build but a build that can go toe to toe against some of the best. The best dollar for dollar build!
They could hype it like a Rocky movie. The poor scrappy-underdog vs. the reigning champ/Super expensive PC and open by having B-roll montage of it being built with properly licensed (or royalty free) epic workout/montage music, and then actually go in depth on the process. Talk about parts, cost, specs, get into the nitty-gritty details.
@@fire_fux They could edit that PC climbing a mountain to shout, DDDRRRRAAAGOOOOO!!!!!
@Hotlog THAT WOULD BE HYPE!!! Or do the Apollo Creed v. Rocky rematch "YO, ADRIAN! I DID IT!!"
Glad to see a video giving sane advice regarding PC builds.
Before the pandemic I upgraded to a Ryzen 5 1600 (6 core) and a 1660 super, and I'm still happy with it in every regard. Granted I don't play the very latest games (I'm on Linux), but the majority of the open world games I have tried out are working just fine, with reasonable adjustments of the graphics settings.
The v5 cooler works good for oc on 2nd gen through 6th gen now your not going to be able to push 5.0ghz with it but if your looking for a cooler to push a little 300-500mhz it really is a great option.
Great channel, easy to watch and always a good pace. You're a pro. Last rig I built was 10 years ago. Now replacing it and got some pointers and ideas from your channel. Peace.
5950x + 3080 ti
Primarily used for 3d rendering and machine learning…
I also do some gaming / streaming on the side. I do enjoy playing games at 1440p / 4K, maxed out settings… it makes me feel good about myself lmao
This pc is my primary source of income and entertainment, so I think it being utterly overkill is somewhat justified.
If you're making money off of it, it's justified.
I'm trying to commit to video editing so I got a 12700K and 3080 TI. albeit it still in 1080, I'm not trying to limit myself for the possibility of future projects with real cameras IRL and higher res gaming in my free time.
cool flex, bro.
Got the same combo and love it.
He literally says something along the lines in the video that unless you are using the PC in a professional/creative way then overkill is not for you.
Very informative Jay. I’ve been building PCs for over twenty years and I still have learned a lot from your channel. Thanks
I really appreciate your reasonable, common-sense advice about stuff that's still told in an entertaining way. People can save so much money and aggravation by following your advice.
I recently bought some SSDs for a system I'm building. I had decided beforehand that I wanted Samsung equipment. I needed 4 TB total - and ended up buying 2 x 2TB 980 Pro PCiE Gen 4 NVMe drives - there was almost no price difference between those and a single 4 TB SATA III drive! You may want to take another look at the NVMe/SATA comparison - something seems to have changed.
I agree, but I tend to not mention it... It gets a surge of *scaplers* going and then you just end up with never being able to buy drives...
@Doktor S where the hell did you find a 4TB Sata SSD for 100 dollars??? I just che ked the prices over here, and the wd 4tb Sata SSD's are hovering around 400-450 euros
NVMe drives has gotten so cheap. With my favorite local store, the cheapest 1 TB SSD they have is an NVMe drive from Kioxia at 82€. Seriously, 82 bucks for a 1 TB NVMe drive. It still baffles me just how cheap SSD's has gotten in recent years. It's "only" about 3x the speed of a good SATA drive, but with the convenience of M.2. I still remember the early days of SSD's when my brother bought one of first consumer SSD's that came to market. It was around 120 GB if not 100 GB and he paid like 335€ for it. Only, it wasn't nearly as good as the 120 GB SSD's you can get for 20€ now lmao
I spent 100 dollars each on two 32 gig 10,000 rpm hard drives, before ssd was a thing. Like you, I'm very happy with the current ssd options and their prices in comparison.
been waiting for those kioxia BG5 2230 ssds . nice upgrade for steam deck (but I think steam dek only uses pcie3.0 BG4 is enough too) series S too but I don't know if it works with xboxs too cause they use 2x pcie lanes . 2 gor internal and 2 for external
Jay, I'm glad I found your videos. Super informative and direct which is great. I built my first PC before Christmas last year using help from my local Microcenter. Luckily the guy who helped me understood my budget and helped me put together what I think is a well balanced setup for mild gaming, office work, and CAD/3D modeling software. I look forward to building another PC using the knowledge I've learned on your channel. I've still got lots to learn on the electrical/software/tuning side.
my corsair psu have 10 years old and survived 3 new build, still using it today with a 6800 xt and mining 24/7 for 3 years, same for my very first ssd when they just came out, they are now on mining rigs and still going solid.
Wild how fast things can change. I just bought 3 Samsung drives for my new build. 2x NVME PCI-E 3.0 drives at 2 TB each and 1x 4TB SATA drive. All of them were on sale. The 2 NVME drives combined were cheaper than the SATA SSD.
Greg Salazar has been running a series of "I paid Fiverr to design me a PC." He gives them limited budgets such as $1000 or $1500 in today's market, and it's been fun seeing people in the comments section trying to maximize a build at each of those price points. It really forces you to think in a specific way.
LOL I watch Greg and I actually beat the builds both times. Those fiver people are normally not very good
@@anthonylong5870
Same as, if you are patient and realise that at a budget latest and greatest in the CPU and PCB isn't worth considering because you will be GPU bound whatever then you can build for reasonable money and concentrate your cash at the GPU. For example my budget choice right now is to base around the B450 platform because you can buy the Tomahawk Max II PCB for under £60 inc VAT and have the full range of Ryzen as an option to plug into it so for £300($450) I can do the platform, a 6 or 8 core CPU, 16GB of DDR 4, and a case with a mesh front supplied loaded with fans, on a good day a 650W main brand PSU as well. This allows plenty of scope to buy storage and GPU capacity depending on usage requirements while still having a decent easy upgrade path later on if and when games require more CPU performance down the line.
@@anthonylong5870 you have to remember that by the time he's made those videos a few weeks time has passed, and PC part prices are extremely volatile. Heck, I've seen prices shift near the $100 mark in as little as a day for some components.
I kind of want both nvme and SSD. Pretty much like when SSD started replacing hard drive. You put the os on the faster drive, and mass storage go to the cheaper storage. Especially true for a lean Linux rig.
There's only so much you can decrease with the load times. From HDD to SATA SSD in modern games you're probably looking at a decrease from about a minute to about 25 seconds, look up the tests for more info about it since not every game is gonna be the same. With the NVME drive you're probably looking at 25sec to 20sec. I don't know how much faster they are with the OS booting but I don't expect the time difference to make up for the price difference just yet. Still gonna get an NVMe when I build a PC after all this ovepriced bs tho because they're cool lol
I have both, that's how I do it. However, I started to need more space for games(I was using a SATA 1tb 860 Evo), so I got a plain 1tb 980 nvme and put it in my second nvme slot, using it for games, with my OS on my 960 evo 256gb which is still going so strong I don't see a reason to upgrade the OS.
Unless it's a case like that where you have an already free second nvme slot, it's not worth adding any in with add-on cards or such, the difference in speed is really not anything I can notice for games. The rest of game space I will add will be SATA SSDs for the foreseeable future, until we see DirectStorage start to be utilitised on PC, then I will move to nvmes, but I want to wait for that so I can get a PCI-e Gen 5 SSD for that so I have the fastest speeds to promise instant loading like with the consoles rn.
The only problem with NVME is that it makes your tower look silly. I have a single 2tb nvme, and now half my tower is completely empty. I have HDDs I could set up in a raid to fill the space, but then I'd have to listen to the dumb things. And I already have a NAS, so a local raid doesn't make sense..
@@fredygump5578 Well a lot of cases nowadays don't even have full size drive cages, so this would only be an issue for cases that have those full size HDD cages. For ITX builds nvme is perfect, and with most cases you could probably even add 2.5" drives if you need the extra storage.
NVMe for me is just about saving space, especially in small form factor being able to add one or two drives that don't take a whole 2.5" drive slot is really neat
i have a 6 year old 1080 thats been pretty reliable for 4k 60 most games up until now. the big thing that pushes the limit is adding reshade to modern games and really getting crazy with added post processing. even still i can usually balance things out pretty well and maintain 60 at 1440 if im really pushing heavy reshade presets
I got a GTX 3060 last week and it started overloading my OEM cooler. Picked up a Vetroo V5 for $30 off Amazon. Ran benchmarks over and over from modern AAA games. Haven't been able to exceed spikes of 163 f/72 c and it generally hangs out at 125 f/52 c in normal playing with no more warnings or crashes. Buying an extra exhaust fan too for the semetry. Nice to hear it recommended.
The difference in boot time cloning a SATA SSD to an NVMe was actually amazing to me. I would never go back, and the NVMe is cheap anyway.
I have always bought below the bleeding edge on CPUs, and close to top of the line on graphics cards, although, lately, with the current cost of graphics cards, I will continue using my 1070 for some time to come.
@El Cactuar Happy?
@El Cactuar I am glad I could help with your happiness levels.
Finally someone said it! When I plan out my builds I always include a 2TB HDD in my builds just for the shear $/GB value. I get a 500GB M.2 drive for the OS to run on and if budget allows, a cheaper 1TB SSD (Silicon Power, SanDisk, Crucial, etc.) to keep games and personal stuff separated. Games boot just fine and fast enough for my preference off of the HDD that I'll take the cost savings over booting off of an SSD any day. Either pocket that money or move budget around for nice case fans!
Yeah, I'm the same. I have that big backup drive (2TB HDD right now) with a 1TB hybrid SSD and a 500 gig 2.5" SSD. I only put Elden Ring on the SSD because From games have a reputation about loading times.
And I'm glad he called out RGB on memory. You really can blow hundreds on the bells. But at the end of the day, it's a box that you should never be looking at for longer than a moment.
@@GuidingOlive well some games these days are very demanding in reading speed and some games are not even playable with hdd's like Tarkov.
I think the trend will go on to better utilize ssd's it just makes sense.
And the loading times with those drives are so much better I rather have less gigs but only seconds of loading times.
Thanks Jayz! I love the simple PC I built with the help of your vids. I just put in a new CPU and I am very happy I can do that. Helps me with my life woes, and that means a lot to me.
I started building PCs back in 1988 when there was one motherboard on the market, an 80286, and it cost $900. You could buy a steel case with a generic power supply (no one cared much about them back then) and the MOBO for $1400.00. 256MB of RAM was another $256. That was maxed out. A Seagate HD, with maybe 512MB of storage, that you had to low level format through DEBUG from the DOS prompt before high level formatting, would set you back another $3-400.
And don't forget your internal modem for $525. That was impressive back in the day... Video card was on the MOBO.
I remember thinking $870 for a 1080ti with a waterblock was expensive in Dec 2017. Air cooled versions are still that price here in 2022. So good job 2017 me!
I was kicking myself when I bought my 1080 ti but now, looking back, it looks like a real good investment. I don't need to be in any rush to get a new card.
I love m.2 sata and m.2 NVMe for the clean build but, the problem is(especially for ITX builders like me) that we have extremely limited slots. Normally it's just 1 slot or if you pick right or increase your budget for ITX motherboards, you get 2. Sadly the less expensive ITX boards only carry 1 slot(In my case, the Gigabyte b450i)
Oh wow... thanks for the reminder... I now noticed that Jay didn't mention motherboards and what to look for in budget level builds in the above video.
I hsve 2 Akasa PCI-e NVME-converters on my Gigabyte UD. There are solutions, one of them is even quite low profile. But sure, room...
What about the Asus x16 pcie x4 m.2 NVMe slots for raid?
@TheTekknician @@ragalthor ITX boards only have one (at most) PCIe slots, so if the GPU is taking up a slot...
@@SoficalAspects Yup, even full-sized ATX boards usually only have three or sometimes four M.2 slots, with most of them connected through the chipset and/or sharing lanes with expansion slots and other on-board devices. I have one X570 board where the third M.2 slot gets cut down to Gen3 x1 if you also use the x1 expansion slot. At least Intel 12th gen boards seem to be a bit better in this regard.
I love how he touched on NVMe vs SATA when I just recently put together a new computer build for the first time in over 10 years and I went with not only a 2TB NVMe (instead of SATA, for data), but also a 1TB NVMe (for the system) and also a good ol 4TB enterprise hard drive for backup... but I'm also 49 and I may not upgrade again until I'm close to death. lol
i hope you live a long and healthy life :))
Come on bro you easily got 40 more years you'll need a few upgrades :)
@@HellsigTheRed yep. I'm 65 and I just built a new pc with 5600x, 6600xt and two NVME ssds (2tb and 1tb).
@@mpholicx2 whoa this is exactly what i'm planning. how do you like it?
@@lepus6511 I'm in the process of an update, and thinking of going 100% NVMe, just to get rid or power and data wires to tidy stuff up.
Good thing about the rog strix gold plus is apparently they use seasonic as the oem. Landed a 750w unit for just under $100 new from microcenter
You raise a good point, 4 cores 8 threads is plenty of processing power for playing 99% of games, but with one caveat, emulation. I upgraded from a 4C/4T to a slightly faster 6C/12T because I play lots of emulation and the difference is significant.
but now you are not talking about 4c8t anymore. There is still a big difference between 4c4t and 4c8t to the point that in many games 4c8t and 6c6t perform nearly identical, but 4c4t suffers extremely low 1% low.
I know “future proofing” is a bit taboo. But I feel like if you’d like to avoid upgrading your cpu, mobo, and ram (which adds up), a good way to maintain performance and get a lot long-term value might be to go with the highest affordable performance core count. Decent CPUs seems to stay decent for a long time, but once thread utilization starts going up there’s not much you can do.
Or I’m just weird. Current consoles having proper 8c/16t makes me wary of going with 4c/8t when it doesn’t take much more budget to reach 6c/12t.
i9s have never really been worth it though with how how little you gain vs the progress of technology.
@@LilBoyHexley People said the same thing since the release if the Xbox One - 9 years ago.
For most games even a 4c4t CPU is good enough, only some of the AAA games have troubles with that and even there it is mostly down to the game being coded sloppily and not the CPU being too weak (some of those games refuse to launch with a 4c4t system, but when running you can even limit them to 3 threads and it still runs >30 FPS).
If you do not plan on playing AAA titles then there is no reason to waste money on something you don't use.
SSD vs NVMe prices are pretty close in a quick search on amazon. Maybe $10 difference. The extra speed is nice on the occasion it kicks in, which I do actually run into periodically. But mainly the zero cables are what sell me on it. One build is very clean with zero data cables. My all day ever day build is more messy but the normal sata ports are always full so that is just a few more drives I can get in before needing to expand to HBA.
Now eight months after the video was posed I am finding it cheaper to purchase NVME compared to an SSD now.
I had 3 psus go in the space of 1 year. Turned out to be dirty power I think. I didn’t know you had to change surge protectors. Changed it out 3-4 years ago and it’s still going 1 house move and an upgrade cycle.
Current prices Sata SSDs are same price as nvmes for same capacity so its a no brainer to get the nvme.Only for compatibility if its an old system uograde which any sata will do for.
I’ve been looking at building since slightly before the price mess that we have had. I’ve had a pc part picker list for a while but have started wondering how much longer until I have waited too long and should just wait until the next generation. Then again if 30xx cards are going to stick around as long as 10xx series did I may want to build😂😂😂
About SSDs: Taking a browse around Newegg between SATA vs NVME 3.0 drives, I'm seeing a roughly 33% delta between the price/GB on the lower end drives. That is not a proper average, just a glance. Also a blind taste test video about the differences would be neat!
Thank you for sorting out the pecking order of essentials. I just, Mon. , bought a new, used, machine. I looked on Ebay and IMO, people were paying a lot more than they needed to.
I, too, have a dearth of old PSUs. 30 years of thinking I needed a new one every upgrade... Only ever had one fail once. It failed spectacularly, however. That's probably why I still buy a new one every time.
“Memory, ya’ll remember this stuff?” Dad joke level: 1000 haha, great video. Have yet to build a pc myself yet but feel like these videos help my understanding of what all I need when that time comes, hopefully later this year 🤞
As a person who started with jayz2cents, gamers nexus and linus tech tips between these 3 you have all the knowledge you will need
It really does help. I was the same way and when I finally managed to save up for a PC it was a breeze.
Dad joke huh?
I meticulously researched my build parts and ordered them. They arrived in 10 working days.
I returned the case because they sent me the wrong color and got the correct case back (another 20 working days later, because the stock run out and had to ship from overseas)
Now with everything delivered i began to assemble my new pc only to realize I had mistaken the nvme package for the Ram sticks package.
I did not order any memory sticks >.
@@YiotisTheGnome ouch. I definitely see how Jay’s joke could be used to remember a part haha, I hope you were able to get the additional parts quicker than the others. I feel like when I finally do build one, I may forget something, same as you, despite the meticulously researching the parts. I feel like my wanted pc parts lists are complete, but not having yet built one, I’m sure I’ll forget something, but look forward to the process.
Ended up with a water cooler.
I've been watching a lot of reviews from people living in temperate climate, and I'd never get the cool ambient temperature they'd have. Water cooler is probably overkill sure (in cold places) but my system is running cool and quieter now, without needing a huge aluminum block in the case.
Same here. My home office (where both the desktop and the gaming rig are) gets sauna-like at summer. I have AIO in both setups.
I feel you man. I live in Houston so it’s never really below 80° outside of February
Wait till the system will leak and the damage bill you will receive. never mix water with electronics. some people learn the hard way, you will too, in time.
Water cooling solutions entering the PC enthusiast domain, was a very un-professional move, just to "sell" consumers and get their money.
@@AY-dw4om sure there’s always that risk but water is able to transfer heat much more effectively than air is. Besides, using AIO’s are much less risk than custom water tanks and such
@@AY-dw4om That is totally BS.
yeah, the water cooling part, yup, my planned water cooling setup costs me almost MORE than my entire pc build, so yes it's not uncommon that you spend twice as much on a build if you go custom loop route
My favourite computing channel! Thanks for the honesty and humour!
I would love to see you build this systems and see what FPS you could get in popular games
I do a lot of work in Resolve and often Handbrake. Nothing like watching all 24 cores slamming against the 100% usage mark 🙂
And then you start freaking out or seeing your memory maxed....64GBs worth.
@@SuperSilvi1990 how did you know how much ram I have? 😂
@@TheOneTonHammer im doing the same 🤣
Man, AIDA64 sensor panels are sooo fun to build. So many insights and customization. Got mine on a 7" Raspberry Pi LCD panel and it is super helpful for tuning and monitoring. Highly recommend!
Always on the level sir. Very timely on this one when prices for parts that “git er done” can be had now for less.