JJ benefited from this era as much as any player. He was damn near out of the league after 4-5 years, but then the game opened and softened up and shooting became much more valued.
Barely a role player. As Jerry west said JJ never won anything, never made a difference in his playoff teams, never helped the team over humps so he has no room to talk.
Imagine playing an era where your defender jumps away from you when you drive, afraid of contact. Well you don't have to imagine if you watch the 86 Celtics in the playoffs. Here is a breakdown I did. Please watch and study the games unbiasedly. Video name: "1986 NBA Playoffs Round 01 -Game 2 : Chicago Bulls vs Boston Celtics" 5.03 Mchale given a wide-open hook shot near the basket, no attempt by Corzine to block. 5.18 MJ given a casual wide-open jump shot, no contest at all, but he still bricks it. Looks like the preseason rather than playoffs. Seems like contesting midrange shots wasn’t really a thing back then. 5.30 Look at this unbelievably bad offense and defense lol. Bird slowly hops his way into the paint, nobody contests, three red jerseys just standing there watching. He bricks the uncontested point-blank shot anyway. Zero boxing out on the rebound. 5.48 Bird takes a step in to stop MJ, but then he quickly jumps away. Do you know why? Because if you touched MJ you get called for a foul. That’s how much softer it was back then. You will see many super-light touch fouls later in this game. 6.23 Examine the defense here by Mchale and Bird, its hilarious. MJ's drive here is slower than anything today, but the defenders are even slower. Nobody attempts to block. Bird has no actual contact with MJ, and yet he tilts his body AWAY from MJ, afraid of any accidental contact. Lol WTH? 7.13 Look at Parish's 3-inch vertical here lol. And there was zero physical contact with Oakley on his way up. He is a top center in the 80s, but will be totally unplayable in today's nba. This hook shot has no strength, no speed, no physicality, zero elevation. 8.32 DJ is famed to be the greatest perimeter defender of the 80s. Look at his foot speed here lol. He is slower than Kevin Love. It really boggles the mind. Please show me defense like this in a college game today. 15.25 Look at this replay sequence of missed layups and missed putbacks. I know these are legends, but do you really think they can play in today’s nba? 17.01 Here is an example of a superlight foul on MJ. Parish lightly grazes MJ on the non-shooting arm and he gets called for a foul. This is the norm. Can you ever find a foul call like this today? The 80s was way softer, it is the exact opposite of what the oldheads believe.
@@nasirwalker2191 not really just looks that way because he played in an effeminate era with no defense permitted facts not feelings gen z is just d@mb p.s. watch the 1993 all star game at least part of it then we can talk
No he’s just saying that taking 9x3s per game at 41% is more impressive than taking 1.9 attempts at 37%. That’s it he’s not speaking about himself he’s talking about himself, he’s talking about how the game has evolved but it’s understandable why y’all in your feelings😢😢😢Larry Bird not top 100 from 3
You notice how all of the *Klutch Sports Boys* have no respect for the legends of the past. They seem to have a deep resentment and contempt for the history of the game.
I have. And I can’t remember ever seeing anything like this before from any other sport I’ve ever watched, is it me? Am I just too old? This just makes no sense to me. I don’t understand the benefits here
@@russelturner5771 it’s like if zeke decided that actually emit smith was a bum who played with plumbers. THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. This is why nba is a laughing stock nobody should still be watching
If someone offered me a job that pays that well and all I have to do is trash all time greats who shouldn't care about my dumbass opinion anyway, I'd do it too.
They wouldn’t know what to do with his trash talk alone. He talked to his opponents like they were his enemies. There was none of this stuff about being best buddies with half the league. He’d insult your haircut, tell you how he was going to beat you then go out and do it.
what is the issue with past decades all of a sudden? It's like they just started dunkin on every era, has this ever happened before? publicly? I have never seen anything like this before from any sport
@@HairryTurttleneck Younger generations are sick of being told "back in my day" BS narratives of how great players were, when anyone with an iota of sports knowledge can tell athletes are better now than ever. When you continually diminish and beat down current players/era's. This is what happens.
@@Robertedwinhouse38 He s not talking about rings, he s talking about shooting 3pts. Mark Price was a mile ahead than JJ: Because its 30 years time and folks still remember. Who will remember Reddick in 10 years as a player? Himself, and his girlfriend (if lucky).
JJ Reddick is trashing the oldies because he knows his name will never be mentioned by anyone in the future. Anytime I ever hear someone say "well if i played then" it means you weren't notable when you played. 30 years from now more people will remember JJ Barrea for the 2011 finals than JJ Reddick will be for his career.
Why are certain people hell bent in trashing the previous eras if basketball? It’s such a forced argument. This doesn’t happen in any where else in the world except for the NBA
Hell, he'll be mentioned after Kyle Korver and Korver barely started in his career, yet JJ was started by...lol, Doc Rivers....who he bashes now too....which confirms he's a two-faced hypocrite. Doc is now exposed as a bad coach who started JJ. Makes sense now. They both suck.
Bird shows so much respect for the guys playing today and routinely touts Lebron as a great player. But look at how his boy Reddick craps on Bird. Sadly, this is why folks hate J.J. and Lebron.
@@nasirwalker2191 He is crapping on Bird to try to make himself look better. Nobody shot 3's in Birds era. Bird didn't even have a 3 pt line until entering the NBA, and he was still an elite shooter. JJ shot 3's from the time he was able to get the ball that far. He would not have made the league without the 3 pt line. Imagine if Bird had practiced 3's like that when he was young.
Bird before 85 back injury would clap LeBron 1 on 1. Deadly pullups and posts with either hand. Lebron couldn't just slash and dunk to 21, Bird would trash talk all his bricks.
JJ is a lot closer to elite than you or anyone else who watched this video. What kind of backwards sense does this comment make lmao. Because JJ isnt on Birds level he cant critique him? If that were the case, none of Uncuts viewers would be able to talk about basketball, including Uncut himself.
JJ's knock on Cousy is ridiculous too. Before Pete Maravich, Magic Johnson etc. he was one of the first to transform the both the point guard position and style of play. It does matter if you are both an elite player of your era and changed the game for future generations. There probably would not be a JJ without a Larry Bird and given a little bit of time to prepare my money would be on Bird in a head to head.
dennis (dj) johnson too he was considered the NEW proto-typical BIG point guard before magic came ( he was 6'4") it only lasted 2 years because dj was in the final with seattle in 78 and 79 and was mvp in the 79 final then magic came and revolutionized the position BUT dj solidified his hof status of course with the great celtics teams in the 80s
Some people bring all the context to defend and rationalize the player they like, then criticize everybody else with one-line narratives instead of context.
That’s my issue, as well. Doesn’t matter if the rules, coaching, or culture have changed, just look at the numbers! Silly. Subjective conversations like “who is the best” will always be trash because of angles like these.
He's still pissed that my Maryland classmates yelled bad things at him 20 years ago. As if having a long NBA career isn't enough. He's a prick and always been a prick.
If you take only 1 3pt attempt per game, a large percentage of those shots will be half court buzzer beaters and end of shot clock shots. Guys like Lebron don't take those shots, he will pass it off. Just watch and you'll see him do it.
It makes sense why Lebronze would do a podcast with Jj , they both have no respect for the game or the greats that paved the way for these players today . No integrity or humility .
Thats how they argue -Start a garbage narrative -narrative gets destroyed -they start taking personal shots -they pretend everyone else started the argument and call us haters 😂 -move on to the next narrative
To say people today have more skill is laughable, you only have to watch Lebron and co training with Olajuwon, they literally look like they are uncoordinated as f***.
yeah, i mean The Dream is a pro dancer among zombies in those vids;) Have these guys seen Zeke handles? The way Bird used screens or the precision of his court to court passes? The way MJ did his fade away? I mean...
@@josemanuelcaballero1162dr j and moses malone on the sixers, chuck as a rookie as well at 1 point . Kids think the 80s and 90s weren't loaded. If they knew anything about basketball they would argue mj couldn't beat alot of great teams, but then they have to admit there was great teams in the past 😂 its a catch 22
@@IsaacMSingleton1 Yeah, I was watching all them games because you knew almost every team was tough as nails. I mean , later Utah Jazz, with Sto and Malone. The Spurs could be a problem with Dave. And Indiana and didnt the Sonics have Xavier McDaniel and Gary Payton in the 80s? Its just nuts. Then Shaq comes early 90s...boom.
If this era is so skilled with young talented players, pls explain to me how a 40yrs old LeBalco Ramone James who doesn’t play defense, always turning the ball over, always injured with ankle soreness, sub par three point shooter and still averaging 25ppg and almost a triple double! Because the league is a joke!!!
Because you can carry the ball now when you dribble. Larry was already unstoppable, Imagine he and Magic were allowed to carry the ball and pump fake and take 3 steps, and getting numerous and1s
@@nicozan1608doesn’t really matter cause LeBalco won’t have his “records” soon enough he will be exposed for what he has always been. A cheating scum that was willing to do anything to win including roids, joining dwade, joining kyrie, etc. your face of the league is the softest in it and if you search Lebron flops on CZcams you’ll have a pretty long compilation. I know there is no changing Bronsexuals minds because you all are brainwashed but I can’t help but speak the truth.
Bird would eat good in this era.. Would be taking 6-7 more attempts a game. He would easily be averaging over 32ppg in todays game. Heck prob even more some seasons.
Jj tends to take birds shooting out of context. Birds 3pt attempts per game often lead the league or were top in the league. He got more accuate as he learned the shot. Coaching and play style limitations existed also. So what bird did was incredibly.
Bird standarized 3pt shooting. And this video shows that when healthy and taking more than 5 (like current dudes do) he was smoking even the best today. And even if he wasnt , it does not matter. He was clutchier than anyone. Cooper said it well: fuck stats. Its the consistency making big plays in big moments. Period.
How good you are compared to your Era is pretty critical. Physicists today know more than Einstein did. However your average physicist is by no means better then Einstein. Bird helped pave the way for the 3 point shot not being viewed as just a novelty. It was Introduced his rookie year and he adjusted his game to accuracy that is still considered excellent by today's standards and regularly lead the league In attempts. So in that context he is much better than a klay, dame, and such. It's disingenuous and ignorant to attempt to judge greatness for all time and ignore context. However sums up jj though.
@@d.columbia9603 Exactly, to me being that sciencist is not having the skill but being able to innovate and develop skills, theories and experiments that prove them, that is the mark of a top notch sciencist. I am a physicist myself.
I love when these ex players think they are all that and act like if you weren’t in the league you are dumb and don’t understand basketball when they need non-players to calculate the stats for them. 😂
@@nasirwalker2191 Miller is maybe the best ever contested 3 shooter ever, watch what he did to Knicks. Allen literally won James a chip. Petrovic had 3 seasons over 44% 3 decades ago, Kerr the career 3pt % GOAT
Larry Bird won the first three three-point contests consecutively, is the founding member (among 9) of the 50-40-90 club, where he has more seasons than Steph and Reggie. Check the advanced metrics and adjusted shooting data, Steph's highest adjusted 3-pt % season is 130 compared to the rest of the league, while Larry has two seasons at 150+. If Steph is a phenom in comparison to today's league, Bird was a monster in comparison to his. Redick has fallen prey to the "high numbers over time is greater than greatness during peak" LeBron argument. Or knows nothing about 80s basketball.
@@kawhileonardsburner6792 It's a matter of eras, 85-88 Bird was 1st in the league at 3-pointers made AND attempted, while maintaining a 50/40/90 average for the period. What Steph did was showcase how the difference between 40% at 3 is equivalent to 60% at 2, and achievable by non-centers. Before then, the 3-pointers attempted had been rising year by year since their introduction in '79. What Bird did was lead a league which considered the 3-pointer a curiosity, and with no coaches giving the go ahead on it, in attempts and makes on splits that even today are considered elite. He was basically, three-point-wise, the Curry of that era, and was more outstanding as such than Curry is today, is what I'm saying. Is Curry, face to face, BETTER at 3-pointers? Yes. But not better relative to their respective eras.
The question is…. If Steph and these other young players never even saw a 3 pt line until they were 22 years old…. Never even shot a 3 until they were legal drinking age, would they still shoot the way they do? 🤔 Killed an entire generations argument with one simple question. Easy 😎
What difference does it make if Bird was a great 3pt shooter or not? His impact in the game will say more about him than a shot that, at one time, was called a gimmick.
@@blacknetsmed you have an argument because in bird's era taking a three was almost always a bad shot..but the few he took he had the same average as Reddick with the many he took..so by default if he bird took more he most definitely would have been a better 3 point shooter than Reddick
Bird is evidence that people who took a smaller volume of threes generally have a comparatively skewed lower 3 point percentage than someone who shoots more threes. I believe this is because they are generally taking lower percentage 3 point shots more often when they are taking them. Also, 3 point shooting was literally less valuable during Bird's career than they are now. Larry Bird retired before they increased free throws on a 3 point attempt to 3. This drastically changes the strategies available when defending a 3 point shooter. Basically, this is another example of context-less stats being extremely misguiding and unreliable in determining a player's actual ability.
jim brown is considered the best RB ever by many n not once you hear current analyst or ex players trash his era or who he played against to prop up a current player, only in basketball you hear this nonsense, this how jj earned his show with lebron
The best comeback to Reddicks nonsense was by Michael Cooper when he said, “when I was on the floor, you wouldnt be on the floor, cuz I’d have locked your ass up!” The man who’s purpose it was to contain Bird would shut all these clowns up
Redick always says stupid stuff like this because he's trying to get noticed and be relevant as an analyst. But he's about as average an analyst as he was a basketball player. Back in the 80's the 3 was a gimmick. Pretty much like Redick's analyst career is a gimmick. Dude needs to stick to just providing scores and facts. His opinions are a joke.
JJ is being a willful idiot not realizing context. In Birds first few years NOBODY took 3s in the normal flow of the game. You didn't take 3s until the game dictated it. He understands that the 3 is more apart of the game than when we first started in the NBA but he can't understand that the 3 was virtually no part of the game most of Bird's career?
remember during the 3 pt contest , he said who's coming in second , who do you want chucking up the shot 2 seconds in a playoff game, larry legend at least top 5 player of all time
What JJ did was like an average mathematician/scientist of this day, saying that scientists today are better than Sir Isaac Newton. Bird was the grandfather of 3 point shooters!
How can people talk about the "Super Athletes" and say they would dominate guys like bird when the 2 leaders for MVp this season are Jokic and Luka? Larry would dominate any era just like all the greats
To understand the "post-modern" mind set you first need to understand it does nothing but invalidate, dismantle, and offer nothing in return but bitching and moaning. Shitting on Bird when he saved basketball. Great take, JJ.
I've been asking myself how low this could possibly get for a while now. Larry Legend? Was encouraged NOT to take 3s. The clutchest player ever, any sport. 1985 L. Bird 42.3 3P% (NBA Average 28.2%) -> 51% better than the league 2016 S. Curry 45.4 3P% (NBA Average 35.4%) -> 28% better than the league As coop said it: "It's about hitting big shots" JJ is the one who stinks here...
Bird is praised constantly by not only his former teammates but by many rivals and basketball experts as well. Magic, Jordan, Kareem, Rodman, Isiah Thomas, Barkley, and Dr. J have all said he was amazing. Guys who never played him like Bill Russel and Wilt Chamberlain have remarked how they thought Bird was the real deal. Even the beloved current day player, Lebron, has said Larry Bird is in his top three favorite players of all time. Like it or not, like HIM or not, Larry Bird was special and an all time great.
Here we are again! Thank you brother doing the Basketball gods work🔥🔥🔥 not only Larry passes the eye test, his insane shooting percentages tell us what we knew all along, Greatness 🏆🎯🎯🎯
You know people always look at the past through rose colored glasses. Fans have complained about every single era of NBA basketball since I’ve been following the sport in the 70s. In the 70s they said all the players were on drugs and the games were boring, in the 80s they said the games are only interesting in the last 5 minutes and it’s always the same teams, the Celtics, the Lakers and the Sixers, in the 90s they complained that the game was too physical with the Knicks and other teams, too clutch and grab, in the early 2000s they complained that the game was too Iso oriented and the lane was clogged up and there were no pure shooters left in the game now of course they’re complaining that there’s not enough physicality and there’s too many 3’s and trust me 10 years from now they’ll be complaining about something else and saying how much better the game was in the Curry and LeBron era. I’ve been around long enough to know that’s what sports fans always do. The game was always better 10-20 years ago no matter what sport it is. We just didn’t have social media back in the day to complain about it.
I will love to hear JJ and Nick Wright 20 years from now debating against former NBA players who retired for e few seasons who will say that NBA players of the 2040s are the more skilled and athletic ever, it's gonna be so fun to watch!!!!
And just think about how they defended back then... If they defended like that today these players wouldn't be taking all these 3s and they would be whining and crying
Fun fact. Using this same metric. Magic Johnson shot 40% in games where he attempted 5+ 3PAs. 1980: 1 Game with 5+ 3PAs - 2/5 (40.0%) 1989: 8 Games with 5+ 3PAs - 18/51 (35.3%) 1990: 26 Games with 5+ 3PAs - 73/157 (46.5%) 1991: 23 Games with 5+ 3PAs - 44/134 (32.8%) 1996: 1 Game with 5+ 3PAs - 3/5 (60.0%) 140/352 = 39.8% It took him nearly 9 full years for him to have his 2nd game with 5+ 3PAs which just goes to show you how little he emphasized them for his entire career. During the bulk of the period where he had all those games he shot 90%+ from the free throw line too. Magic might just be an even more disrespected shooter than Bird since most people don’t even give him credit for being a good one at all.
They took more shots when they were feeling it, so they shot a better percentage. Whereas nowadays players just jack the 3s no matter if they are feeling it, or if there's a better shot.
@@shorewall The only problem with that is from 81-84 both Bird and Magic didn’t have a single game with that many 3s. And Magic nearly went 9 full years without any such games at all. You don’t just go several years. Let alone 9. Without feeling it a single time. That doesn’t make any sense. 3s just weren’t part of their game. Regardless of whether they were feeling it that day or not. The only reason they weren’t great 3 point shooters in the 80s is because nobody was allowed to or even wanted to be a great 3 point shooter in the 80s. It was freaking the 80s. Their rookie year teams were taking less than 3 TOTAL 3s per game and their last seasons they were only taking 7!! Imagine a team today only taking 3-7 total 3s??? It’s impossible! If they were allowed to chuck up 3s. And especially if 3s were actually made apart of their game with them practicing it anywhere near the amount as todays players who actually grew up with a 3 point line and idolized 3 point shooters did then they would absolutely have a lot more days where they were feeling it. Which would’ve resulted in higher percentages on higher average attempts. So sure them shooting higher percentage when taking 5+ attempts might be a little misleading. But at the same time them taking 5+ 3s in a game is like the equivalent to guys today taking 15+ 3s in a game. And when a player takes that many 3s they too will almost always shoot a higher percentage than their average because those are the games when those shot chuckers were really feeling it.
Duncan Robinson is currently the record holder of the fastest player to shoot 1000 made 3s. He's only able to achieve this because of the people before him, namely Steph Curry and Klay Thompson. The warriors winning play style was what changed how NBA teams considered three pointers. Had, Curry or Thompson been in his position, meaning, having the path already paved to allow such volume shooting by the coaches, they too, would most likely beat his current record being as good as they were during their prime years. The same can be said about Larry Bird. Had he been born in the current basketball era, with his skill set and efficiency, and given to go by the coaches to shoot at will, he would put the league on notice just as he had back in the day.
Like Jordan when he took 3 attempts a game for a season he shot em 37 percent and higher. When he was under 1 a game he was bad. The obvious being obvious…he was taking bail outs and end of quarter heaves and with less than 1 attempt a game that’s obviously gonna eat into the percentage. The facts are with increased volume his 3 point percentage went up. That’s also regardless of line distance.
I dont know if you finally saw all my posts about birds numbers and context... but Im glad you finally broached the subject. I wish you would have added that yrs 2 thru 5 it was mostly due to his coach who literally prevented him from shooting the 3.. so when he shot 1.0 or below he was in the 20s... and even his last 3 yrs when he was in so much pain he was still a 40% shooter minus the 1st of those 3rs where he had the hand issues so he only shot 33% and he simply didn't practice the shot.. your 5plus attempts stat is fantastic. The fact that he was the pioneer and absolutely a 40% shooter in context he is certainly one of the best ever.. Reddick is smug and condescending.. and simply jealous because he feels he should have been the next bird... he just wasn't as talented. 1 other point... there is a MASSIVE difference between guys like bird miller and curry as opposed to reddick kerr... Its a MONUMENTAL difference when you are the one that EVERYONE is focused on stopping as opposed to a 3rd 4th or 5th option... a guy basically just waiting in a corner for everyone else's work to get them an open attempt... larry usually had to work or create his own attempt.. reddick is a moron
It's a bit weird JJ is trashing Bird's three point shooting since he himself had the similar issue. JJ is easily top 5 three point shooter had he started playing in 2010. Perhaps he's salty because they keep bringing up other people's three point shooting and never talk about his? Which makes Luka's joke even funnier now.
I like how people like JJ when bashing older eras ignore that the current Blazers, Wizards, Raptors, Nets, Hornets, Pistons, and Spurs without Wemby are all basically G-League teams
I think in Reddick mind , the top ten basketball players are from this cottonll era, top ten assists leader from this cottonelle era, top ten rebounders from this cottonelle era, top ten shot blockers, from this cottonelle era, top ten scorers from this cottonelle era, well youngins, that god for the Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell, Magic Johnson , Larry Bird , Michael Jordan , Hakeem Olajuwon, David Robinson and others that proved him wrong
As the LOGO said asking about THAT fool: "Tell me what his career looked like; What did he do that determined games?" Taking a shot at ONE of the BEST in the NBA, when his career is a good role player at best. I would not think he would be on Top 50 of the best role players.
Btw, remember in that era & with the low volume some of the 3s a player attempted in the game were desperation shots. So if a player took 2 attempts one of them being a half court shot the %s are heavily impacted.
What jj didn't mention is every year from 81 to 86 that bird didn't win mvp he was runner up, got 3rd in 87. I watched that era through today's nba and if i was starting a team he would be my first pick.
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Imagine being a top 10 player of all time and being pooped on by a role player from the easiest era of all time 😂.
Exactly. JJ is sum lol
JJ benefited from this era as much as any player. He was damn near out of the league after 4-5 years, but then the game opened and softened up and shooting became much more valued.
Reddick avg 12 pts a game for his career 😅😅
Barely a role player. As Jerry west said JJ never won anything, never made a difference in his playoff teams, never helped the team over humps so he has no room to talk.
Imagine playing an era where your defender jumps away from you when you drive, afraid of contact. Well you don't have to imagine if you watch the 86 Celtics in the playoffs. Here is a breakdown I did. Please watch and study the games unbiasedly.
Video name: "1986 NBA Playoffs Round 01 -Game 2 : Chicago Bulls vs Boston Celtics"
5.03 Mchale given a wide-open hook shot near the basket, no attempt by Corzine to block.
5.18 MJ given a casual wide-open jump shot, no contest at all, but he still bricks it. Looks like the preseason rather than playoffs. Seems like contesting midrange shots wasn’t really a thing back then.
5.30 Look at this unbelievably bad offense and defense lol. Bird slowly hops his way into the paint, nobody contests, three red jerseys just standing there watching. He bricks the uncontested point-blank shot anyway. Zero boxing out on the rebound.
5.48 Bird takes a step in to stop MJ, but then he quickly jumps away. Do you know why? Because if you touched MJ you get called for a foul. That’s how much softer it was back then. You will see many super-light touch fouls later in this game.
6.23 Examine the defense here by Mchale and Bird, its hilarious. MJ's drive here is slower than anything today, but the defenders are even slower. Nobody attempts to block. Bird has no actual contact with MJ, and yet he tilts his body AWAY from MJ, afraid of any accidental contact. Lol WTH?
7.13 Look at Parish's 3-inch vertical here lol. And there was zero physical contact with Oakley on his way up. He is a top center in the 80s, but will be totally unplayable in today's nba. This hook shot has no strength, no speed, no physicality, zero elevation.
8.32 DJ is famed to be the greatest perimeter defender of the 80s. Look at his foot speed here lol. He is slower than Kevin Love. It really boggles the mind. Please show me defense like this in a college game today.
15.25 Look at this replay sequence of missed layups and missed putbacks. I know these are legends, but do you really think they can play in today’s nba?
17.01 Here is an example of a superlight foul on MJ. Parish lightly grazes MJ on the non-shooting arm and he gets called for a foul. This is the norm. Can you ever find a foul call like this today? The 80s was way softer, it is the exact opposite of what the oldheads believe.
JJ is self projecting his own journeyman career. He’s the actual plumber of his era.
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a bad plumber
He’s a better three point shooter than bird
@@nasirwalker2191 not really
just looks that way because he played in an effeminate era with no defense permitted
facts not feelings
gen z is just d@mb
p.s. watch the 1993 all star game at least part of it
then we can talk
No he’s just saying that taking 9x3s per game at 41% is more impressive than taking 1.9 attempts at 37%. That’s it he’s not speaking about himself he’s talking about himself, he’s talking about how the game has evolved but it’s understandable why y’all in your feelings😢😢😢Larry Bird not top 100 from 3
You notice how all of the *Klutch Sports Boys* have no respect for the legends of the past. They seem to have a deep resentment and contempt for the history of the game.
That's because they want to bitch about everything and have it all handed to them.
I have. And I can’t remember ever seeing anything like this before from any other sport I’ve ever watched, is it me? Am I just too old? This just makes no sense to me. I don’t understand the benefits here
Klutch should be named Insecurity Sports.
No 💩 Even though the players of this era stand on the shoulders of those very players they attempt to denigrate.
@@russelturner5771 it’s like if zeke decided that actually emit smith was a bum who played with plumbers. THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. This is why nba is a laughing stock nobody should still be watching
How can anyone trash the first player to go 40-50-90??
Not only that but he averaged at least 50/40/90 from '84 to '87, and approximately 27 points, 9 rebounds and 7 assists during that time.
4x at that!
@@LngLivMamba17 Anyone trashing Bird is an obvious idiot and always thinks the NBA of todays is superior just because it's not in the past.
If someone offered me a job that pays that well and all I have to do is trash all time greats who shouldn't care about my dumbass opinion anyway, I'd do it too.
I don’t know how anyone can discredit him. That sort of efficiency would translate to any era. The guys hits his shots
Larry Bird is just Nikola Jokic... a slightly shorter version with a higher motor.
He would decimate the modern NBA in the same way
Not to mention he could actually play defense.
They wouldn’t know what to do with his trash talk alone. He talked to his opponents like they were his enemies. There was none of this stuff about being best buddies with half the league. He’d insult your haircut, tell you how he was going to beat you then go out and do it.
Joking is amazing, but bird looks a lot better though I never watched him live. His IQ and the insane plays he makes
Not to mention he did not just see basketball as a job. He was tough as nails and motivated for the game.
Larry Bird is the only person who rivals MJ in the clutch...that killed instinct
JJ has no manhood just like the rest of Klutch Sports.
He's paid by Lebum to spew stupidity.
BIRD A STIFF YOU TALKING AMERICAN YT MEN IN 80S WE IN 2024 ...AINT NO WAY
what is the issue with past decades all of a sudden? It's like they just started dunkin on every era, has this ever happened before? publicly? I have never seen anything like this before from any sport
@@HairryTurttleneck Younger generations are sick of being told "back in my day" BS narratives of how great players were, when anyone with an iota of sports knowledge can tell athletes are better now than ever.
When you continually diminish and beat down current players/era's. This is what happens.
@@HairryTurttleneckthe old heads have been mocking/ nitpicking modern players as long as I can remember so this is definitely a reaction to that
Mark Price would cook Redick in any era
Ron harper before injuries would absolutely embarrass him too
That’s a name I haven’t heard in long time
No. Expansion era rings don’t count
@@Robertedwinhouse38 He s not talking about rings, he s talking about shooting 3pts. Mark Price was a mile ahead than JJ: Because its 30 years time and folks still remember. Who will remember Reddick in 10 years as a player? Himself, and his girlfriend (if lucky).
Fact
Bird won the first 3 of the 3-point shooting competitions. He was one of the very best of the time. You don't get to discount everyone in the past.
JJ Reddick is trashing the oldies because he knows his name will never be mentioned by anyone in the future. Anytime I ever hear someone say "well if i played then" it means you weren't notable when you played. 30 years from now more people will remember JJ Barrea for the 2011 finals than JJ Reddick will be for his career.
Why are certain people hell bent in trashing the previous eras if basketball? It’s such a forced argument. This doesn’t happen in any where else in the world except for the NBA
Hell, he'll be mentioned after Kyle Korver and Korver barely started in his career, yet JJ was started by...lol, Doc Rivers....who he bashes now too....which confirms he's a two-faced hypocrite. Doc is now exposed as a bad coach who started JJ. Makes sense now. They both suck.
Bird is the word....ba ba ba bird bird bird bird is the word...
Don't you know, about the bird!!
Oh, you haven't heard...?
Papa eww Mao Mao. papa eww Mao mah-mao.
@@dennisdezarn5895that part😂😂💀💀🔥
Drop Larry Bird into today's NBA he would have a field day
“Ain’t no party like a Diddy party”
“I ain’t been to a 🍕 party in a minute”.
- LeSuspect
Diddy wants to party!
You gotta say no! You gotta say no! -Katt Williams
Bird shows so much respect for the guys playing today and routinely touts Lebron as a great player. But look at how his boy Reddick craps on Bird. Sadly, this is why folks hate J.J. and Lebron.
He’s not crapping on bird he just said that birds ability to shoot 3’s isn’t as great as people say it is
@@nasirwalker2191 He is crapping on Bird to try to make himself look better. Nobody shot 3's in Birds era. Bird didn't even have a 3 pt line until entering the NBA, and he was still an elite shooter. JJ shot 3's from the time he was able to get the ball that far. He would not have made the league without the 3 pt line. Imagine if Bird had practiced 3's like that when he was young.
Slack defense, major traveling, flopping, playing 45-50 games a season. Nah. The years MJ played, was the golden era.
never beat larry. 0-6
@@johnlarson111 lmfao one of the dumbest comments i've seen.
@SifuSeagalu mean 3-2?
@@johnlarson111 Larry already had a team when MJ arrived.
That said both of them would have easily trash today's era.
@@iamhungey12345 how so mj doesnt have a 3 point shot ppl would give him the russel westbrook treatment
Bird before 85 back injury would clap LeBron 1 on 1. Deadly pullups and posts with either hand. Lebron couldn't just slash and dunk to 21, Bird would trash talk all his bricks.
Nobody who lost and ducked a rematch with Beasley can’t touch Larry Bird.
@@TeezyfolKKz I would take Bird over LeFraud all day.
@@greggibson33 anyone who wants to win would.
I always said from day one I would take Bird over Lebron especially late in the game.
Bird could do that one handed after injuries
ESPN has fallen off so hard 😂
Bird shot almost 10% higher than the league in his career from 3 😂
On way less attempts. Volume matters.
@@kawhileonardsburner6792 he shot as many 3s as most teams on average did in the league... thats like curry shooting 30 3s a night lol
JJ was never on that elite level, that limits his view, when you know less, you always thought things are easier
JJ is a lot closer to elite than you or anyone else who watched this video. What kind of backwards sense does this comment make lmao. Because JJ isnt on Birds level he cant critique him? If that were the case, none of Uncuts viewers would be able to talk about basketball, including Uncut himself.
JJ is way more elite than Larry bird at shooting threes
@@nasirwalker2191 for you yes he's closer to being an elite since you grew up in the soft era. He's just a role player level not close to an elite.
@@ryansturf7400 as a THREE POINT SHOOTER JJ redick is more elite than Larry bird
@@nasirwalker2191 Exactly. Do people hear actually read the posts before commenting? Reading comprehension - extinct.
JJ's knock on Cousy is ridiculous too. Before Pete Maravich, Magic Johnson etc. he was one of the first to transform the both the point guard position and style of play. It does matter if you are both an elite player of your era and changed the game for future generations. There probably would not be a JJ without a Larry Bird and given a little bit of time to prepare my money would be on Bird in a head to head.
dennis (dj) johnson too
he was considered the NEW proto-typical BIG point guard before magic came ( he was 6'4")
it only lasted 2 years because dj was in the final with seattle in 78 and 79 and was mvp in the 79 final
then magic came and revolutionized the position
BUT dj solidified his hof status of course with the great celtics teams in the 80s
As usual, these “analysts” don’t provide context. It’s just all about the raw data.
Some people bring all the context to defend and rationalize the player they like, then criticize everybody else with one-line narratives instead of context.
That’s my issue, as well. Doesn’t matter if the rules, coaching, or culture have changed, just look at the numbers! Silly. Subjective conversations like “who is the best” will always be trash because of angles like these.
@@jordanjenkins1671 You mean like you just did?
i can replace JJ Reddick by an excel spreadsheet and is still more accurate (and fun).
Even in birds era there were people who shot more and made more at a higher percentage
JJ’s snobbish duke personality is showing
No he’s ten times worse now than when he was at duke. Minimum.
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He's still pissed that my Maryland classmates yelled bad things at him 20 years ago. As if having a long NBA career isn't enough. He's a prick and always been a prick.
If you take only 1 3pt attempt per game, a large percentage of those shots will be half court buzzer beaters and end of shot clock shots. Guys like Lebron don't take those shots, he will pass it off. Just watch and you'll see him do it.
Nobody shoots those anymore. Jordan would shoot one every other game.
It makes sense why Lebronze would do a podcast with Jj , they both have no respect for the game or the greats that paved the way for these players today . No integrity or humility .
you’re delusional
I find it funny how they prop up lebron constantly but trash all of these legends but will be the first ones to cry about hate. 🤡s
Thats how they argue
-Start a garbage narrative
-narrative gets destroyed
-they start taking personal shots
-they pretend everyone else started the argument and call us haters 😂
-move on to the next narrative
To say people today have more skill is laughable, you only have to watch Lebron and co training with Olajuwon, they literally look like they are uncoordinated as f***.
yeah, i mean The Dream is a pro dancer among zombies in those vids;) Have these guys seen Zeke handles? The way Bird used screens or the precision of his court to court passes? The way MJ did his fade away? I mean...
Last 3x MVP so there’s that
Three STRAIGHT when MAGIC was in his prime no less, Mama's driveway cut Bird short.
3 time champ playing against Magic and Jordan.
@@greggibson33 And the Bad boys, and Olajuwons Rockets and Pats Ewings Knicks....dont leave them out! Any of these could sweep any NBA team today.
@@josemanuelcaballero1162dr j and moses malone on the sixers, chuck as a rookie as well at 1 point . Kids think the 80s and 90s weren't loaded. If they knew anything about basketball they would argue mj couldn't beat alot of great teams, but then they have to admit there was great teams in the past 😂 its a catch 22
@@IsaacMSingleton1 Yeah, I was watching all them games because you knew almost every team was tough as nails. I mean , later Utah Jazz, with Sto and Malone. The Spurs could be a problem with Dave. And Indiana and didnt the Sonics have Xavier McDaniel and Gary Payton in the 80s? Its just nuts. Then Shaq comes early 90s...boom.
If this era is so skilled with young talented players, pls explain to me how a 40yrs old LeBalco Ramone James who doesn’t play defense, always turning the ball over, always injured with ankle soreness, sub par three point shooter and still averaging 25ppg and almost a triple double! Because the league is a joke!!!
if bird is an elite 3pt shooter and the 40 year old is "sub par", i got some bad news for ya pal
Because you can carry the ball now when you dribble. Larry was already unstoppable, Imagine he and Magic were allowed to carry the ball and pump fake and take 3 steps, and getting numerous and1s
@@nicozan1608doesn’t really matter cause LeBalco won’t have his “records” soon enough he will be exposed for what he has always been. A cheating scum that was willing to do anything to win including roids, joining dwade, joining kyrie, etc. your face of the league is the softest in it and if you search Lebron flops on CZcams you’ll have a pretty long compilation. I know there is no changing Bronsexuals minds because you all are brainwashed but I can’t help but speak the truth.
He's 42% from three this year, just saying. He's not a subpar three point shooter THIS year.
Because Lebron is the GOAT
A role player talking left about a certified legend lol Klutch is paying his punk ass top dollar I see
Bird would eat good in this era.. Would be taking 6-7 more attempts a game. He would easily be averaging over 32ppg in todays game.
Heck prob even more some seasons.
Jj tends to take birds shooting out of context. Birds 3pt attempts per game often lead the league or were top in the league. He got more accuate as he learned the shot. Coaching and play style limitations existed also. So what bird did was incredibly.
Bird standarized 3pt shooting. And this video shows that when healthy and taking more than 5 (like current dudes do) he was smoking even the best today. And even if he wasnt , it does not matter. He was clutchier than anyone. Cooper said it well: fuck stats. Its the consistency making big plays in big moments. Period.
Jj is comparing him to ALL TIME GREAT 3PT SHOOTERS NOT HIS ERA
How good you are compared to your Era is pretty critical. Physicists today know more than Einstein did. However your average physicist is by no means better then Einstein. Bird helped pave the way for the 3 point shot not being viewed as just a novelty. It was Introduced his rookie year and he adjusted his game to accuracy that is still considered excellent by today's standards and regularly lead the league In attempts. So in that context he is much better than a klay, dame, and such. It's disingenuous and ignorant to attempt to judge greatness for all time and ignore context. However sums up jj though.
@@d.columbia9603 Exactly, to me being that sciencist is not having the skill but being able to innovate and develop skills, theories and experiments that prove them, that is the mark of a top notch sciencist. I am a physicist myself.
I love when these ex players think they are all that and act like if you weren’t in the league you are dumb and don’t understand basketball when they need non-players to calculate the stats for them. 😂
Imagine the games bird woulda had if reddick had to guard him 😂
Bird would run him to death, then trash talk him to his face asking "why you putting this white dude on me?"
Bird was the most feared shooter in the league with money on the line in his prime....period
Steve Kerr a better shooter than JJ in the plumber era of Drazen Petrovic, Reggie Miller, and Ray Allen.
Del Curry would whoop JJ’s azz. He really needs to just stfu.
None of them are better than jj at shooting threes except maybe Ray Allen
@@nasirwalker2191 Miller is maybe the best ever contested 3 shooter ever, watch what he did to Knicks. Allen literally won James a chip. Petrovic had 3 seasons over 44% 3 decades ago, Kerr the career 3pt % GOAT
@@nasirwalker2191but all are better players no doubt… except Kerr, who was a better shooter…
@@nasirwalker2191Kerr was a good 3 point shooter.
Larry Bird won the first three three-point contests consecutively, is the founding member (among 9) of the 50-40-90 club, where he has more seasons than Steph and Reggie. Check the advanced metrics and adjusted shooting data, Steph's highest adjusted 3-pt % season is 130 compared to the rest of the league, while Larry has two seasons at 150+. If Steph is a phenom in comparison to today's league, Bird was a monster in comparison to his.
Redick has fallen prey to the "high numbers over time is greater than greatness during peak" LeBron argument. Or knows nothing about 80s basketball.
He knows enough, he is just propagandizing for Lebron.
Steph shoots 12 3’s per game, Reggie shot 5 and bird shot 2…
@@kawhileonardsburner6792 It's a matter of eras, 85-88 Bird was 1st in the league at 3-pointers made AND attempted, while maintaining a 50/40/90 average for the period.
What Steph did was showcase how the difference between 40% at 3 is equivalent to 60% at 2, and achievable by non-centers. Before then, the 3-pointers attempted had been rising year by year since their introduction in '79.
What Bird did was lead a league which considered the 3-pointer a curiosity, and with no coaches giving the go ahead on it, in attempts and makes on splits that even today are considered elite.
He was basically, three-point-wise, the Curry of that era, and was more outstanding as such than Curry is today, is what I'm saying. Is Curry, face to face, BETTER at 3-pointers? Yes. But not better relative to their respective eras.
The question is…. If Steph and these other young players never even saw a 3 pt line until they were 22 years old…. Never even shot a 3 until they were legal drinking age, would they still shoot the way they do? 🤔 Killed an entire generations argument with one simple question. Easy 😎
What difference does it make if Bird was a great 3pt shooter or not? His impact in the game will say more about him than a shot that, at one time, was called a gimmick.
Dude, Bird a monster of a player in all fundamentals of the sport, really. It is insane how any player of this era can be so disrespectful.
JJ peaked in college and that's all I am going to say.
He didn't even peak in college. He went to Duke. He had nothing but 4/5 star players around him.
Irrelevant to the topic.
@@greggibson33 far from irrelevant, groupie
@@user-oo7uq9zq3b His career 3 pt. percentage was actually higher in the NBA than at Duke. Data counts.
@@user-oo7uq9zq3b Groupie of who? At least you tried. 😆
Well jj bird definitely was wayyy better than you...
Irrelevant.
@@greggibson33 how is it??
@@timelesskoontah Just because he's better doesn't mean he can't have an opinion.
Well not at shooting 3 pointers, no Bird wasn't better than JJ Redick at that.
@@blacknetsmed you have an argument because in bird's era taking a three was almost always a bad shot..but the few he took he had the same average as Reddick with the many he took..so by default if he bird took more he most definitely would have been a better 3 point shooter than Reddick
Bird disrespect is so puzzling to me
Bird is evidence that people who took a smaller volume of threes generally have a comparatively skewed lower 3 point percentage than someone who shoots more threes. I believe this is because they are generally taking lower percentage 3 point shots more often when they are taking them.
Also, 3 point shooting was literally less valuable during Bird's career than they are now. Larry Bird retired before they increased free throws on a 3 point attempt to 3. This drastically changes the strategies available when defending a 3 point shooter.
Basically, this is another example of context-less stats being extremely misguiding and unreliable in determining a player's actual ability.
Shooting is the one thing that JJ did on a pro level and even his analysis of that sucks 😂
Great video. If Bird took more like in this era, he would have made more. Imagine Reddick talking about Bird
jim brown is considered the best RB ever by many n not once you hear current analyst or ex players trash his era or who he played against to prop up a current player, only in basketball you hear this nonsense, this how jj earned his show with lebron
Imagine calling Jim Brown, Reggie White, or Lawrence Taylor a plumber.
Or Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis, Holyfield, Frazier, Ali plumbers
Unreal these guys have no clue i watched the 80s bird was a assassin and definitely top ten he was all out ballin
If I need a shot to win the game I'll take michael jordan.. If I need a shot For me to live or die , I'll take larry bird
Exactly
The intellectual dishonesty is pathetic. Bashing other eras to prop up your own is a joke.
There is no modern day NBA without Larry Bird and Magic Johnson. They actually put the sport on the map. It’s beyond disrespectful to trash that era.
How is this dude allowed on TV with this blasphemy
The best comeback to Reddicks nonsense was by Michael Cooper when he said, “when I was on the floor, you wouldnt be on the floor, cuz I’d have locked your ass up!” The man who’s purpose it was to contain Bird would shut all these clowns up
There isn’t a single team JJ played on that could touch Larry’s Celtics.
Redick always says stupid stuff like this because he's trying to get noticed and be relevant as an analyst. But he's about as average an analyst as he was a basketball player. Back in the 80's the 3 was a gimmick. Pretty much like Redick's analyst career is a gimmick. Dude needs to stick to just providing scores and facts. His opinions are a joke.
I remember jj being a huge liability during games that they had to bench him occasionally cause of his bricks and never played defense
Holy fuck i never seen that clip where the ball spun around the rim like that !~ That was amazing i had to watch it a few times!
honestly, this is getting disgusting already.
What's the point of all this bashing on the 80s and 90s every single day?
thats it! The 80s were just cooler! Better movies, music and haircuts;)
My guess is that it’s Klutch Sports who is behind it and trying to protect LeBron’s legacy.
JJ is being a willful idiot not realizing context. In Birds first few years NOBODY took 3s in the normal flow of the game. You didn't take 3s until the game dictated it. He understands that the 3 is more apart of the game than when we first started in the NBA but he can't understand that the 3 was virtually no part of the game most of Bird's career?
remember during the 3 pt contest , he said who's coming in second , who do you want chucking up the shot 2 seconds in a playoff game, larry legend at least top 5 player of all time
In his practice jump suit
What JJ did was like an average mathematician/scientist of this day, saying that scientists today are better than Sir Isaac Newton. Bird was the grandfather of 3 point shooters!
How can people talk about the "Super Athletes" and say they would dominate guys like bird when the 2 leaders for MVp this season are Jokic and Luka? Larry would dominate any era just like all the greats
Wow, the guy who constantly berates the older eras is doing a podcast with LeBron? Say it ain’t so. God, the Klutch Mafia is so absolutely cringe.
Watched some early 90s basket ball this weekend, it's a different sport and much more enjoyable to watch.
Great video!
When the stat boys like JJ Reddick are out statted 😂. Great job as always Uncut Hoops!
Always great videos 100k right around the corner keep grinding blessings 🫡👊🏻
The "plumber" of his ERA doesn't think Larry Bird is one of the greatest threats from three point range of all time?
I bet J. J. Reddick in his prime wouldn't out shoot a prime Bird in this Era and Reddick was known as a "3 pts specialist".
The three point line started out as a gimmick for goofies they called "specialists"!! And it still is!!
If Bird was able to shoot as many threes as this present era his percentage definitely goes up.. and will definitely be a top 5 shooter
Current tv ratings of the NBA says this is the WORST basketball for viewers.
People enjoyed it as fans MUCH MORE then
I’m glad Jerry West clapped back at Redick when he tried to come for him. It was also satisfying watching Kobe cook him in the 09 Finals
A guy telling you what he’s gonna do, where he will go, shoots with a left just because he is bored, that’s GREATNESS jj! GREATNESS!!!!
To understand the "post-modern" mind set you first need to understand it does nothing but invalidate, dismantle, and offer nothing in return but bitching and moaning. Shitting on Bird when he saved basketball. Great take, JJ.
I've been asking myself how low this could possibly get for a while now. Larry Legend?
Was encouraged NOT to take 3s. The clutchest player ever, any sport.
1985 L. Bird 42.3 3P% (NBA Average 28.2%) -> 51% better than the league
2016 S. Curry 45.4 3P% (NBA Average 35.4%) -> 28% better than the league
As coop said it: "It's about hitting big shots" JJ is the one who stinks here...
Bird is praised constantly by not only his former teammates but by many rivals and basketball experts as well. Magic, Jordan, Kareem, Rodman, Isiah Thomas, Barkley, and Dr. J have all said he was amazing. Guys who never played him like Bill Russel and Wilt Chamberlain have remarked how they thought Bird was the real deal. Even the beloved current day player, Lebron, has said Larry Bird is in his top three favorite players of all time. Like it or not, like HIM or not, Larry Bird was special and an all time great.
Here we are again! Thank you brother doing the Basketball gods work🔥🔥🔥 not only Larry passes the eye test, his insane shooting percentages tell us what we knew all along, Greatness 🏆🎯🎯🎯
When Bird was attempting more 3s in his career he shot a higher percentage.
You know people always look at the past through rose colored glasses. Fans have complained about every single era of NBA basketball since I’ve been following the sport in the 70s. In the 70s they said all the players were on drugs and the games were boring, in the 80s they said the games are only interesting in the last 5 minutes and it’s always the same teams, the Celtics, the Lakers and the Sixers, in the 90s they complained that the game was too physical with the Knicks and other teams, too clutch and grab, in the early 2000s they complained that the game was too Iso oriented and the lane was clogged up and there were no pure shooters left in the game now of course they’re complaining that there’s not enough physicality and there’s too many 3’s and trust me 10 years from now they’ll be complaining about something else and saying how much better the game was in the Curry and LeBron era. I’ve been around long enough to know that’s what sports fans always do. The game was always better 10-20 years ago no matter what sport it is. We just didn’t have social media back in the day to complain about it.
I will love to hear JJ and Nick Wright 20 years from now debating against former NBA players who retired for e few seasons who will say that NBA players of the 2040s are the more skilled and athletic ever, it's gonna be so fun to watch!!!!
And just think about how they defended back then... If they defended like that today these players wouldn't be taking all these 3s and they would be whining and crying
Today’s NBA is unwatchable. Zero defense and uncontested dunks. Pure Garbage.
The NBA has been unwatchable since 2017.
Fun fact. Using this same metric.
Magic Johnson shot 40% in games where he attempted 5+ 3PAs.
1980: 1 Game with 5+ 3PAs - 2/5 (40.0%)
1989: 8 Games with 5+ 3PAs - 18/51 (35.3%)
1990: 26 Games with 5+ 3PAs - 73/157 (46.5%)
1991: 23 Games with 5+ 3PAs - 44/134 (32.8%)
1996: 1 Game with 5+ 3PAs - 3/5 (60.0%)
140/352 = 39.8%
It took him nearly 9 full years for him to have his 2nd game with 5+ 3PAs which just goes to show you how little he emphasized them for his entire career.
During the bulk of the period where he had all those games he shot 90%+ from the free throw line too.
Magic might just be an even more disrespected shooter than Bird since most people don’t even give him credit for being a good one at all.
They took more shots when they were feeling it, so they shot a better percentage. Whereas nowadays players just jack the 3s no matter if they are feeling it, or if there's a better shot.
@@shorewall The only problem with that is from 81-84 both Bird and Magic didn’t have a single game with that many 3s. And Magic nearly went 9 full years without any such games at all.
You don’t just go several years. Let alone 9. Without feeling it a single time. That doesn’t make any sense.
3s just weren’t part of their game. Regardless of whether they were feeling it that day or not.
The only reason they weren’t great 3 point shooters in the 80s is because nobody was allowed to or even wanted to be a great 3 point shooter in the 80s. It was freaking the 80s.
Their rookie year teams were taking less than 3 TOTAL 3s per game and their last seasons they were only taking 7!!
Imagine a team today only taking 3-7 total 3s??? It’s impossible!
If they were allowed to chuck up 3s. And especially if 3s were actually made apart of their game with them practicing it anywhere near the amount as todays players who actually grew up with a 3 point line and idolized 3 point shooters did then they would absolutely have a lot more days where they were feeling it. Which would’ve resulted in higher percentages on higher average attempts.
So sure them shooting higher percentage when taking 5+ attempts might be a little misleading.
But at the same time them taking 5+ 3s in a game is like the equivalent to guys today taking 15+ 3s in a game. And when a player takes that many 3s they too will almost always shoot a higher percentage than their average because those are the games when those shot chuckers were really feeling it.
Duncan Robinson is currently the record holder of the fastest player to shoot 1000 made 3s. He's only able to achieve this because of the people before him, namely Steph Curry and Klay Thompson. The warriors winning play style was what changed how NBA teams considered three pointers. Had, Curry or Thompson been in his position, meaning, having the path already paved to allow such volume shooting by the coaches, they too, would most likely beat his current record being as good as they were during their prime years. The same can be said about Larry Bird. Had he been born in the current basketball era, with his skill set and efficiency, and given to go by the coaches to shoot at will, he would put the league on notice just as he had back in the day.
Like Jordan when he took 3 attempts a game for a season he shot em 37 percent and higher. When he was under 1 a game he was bad. The obvious being obvious…he was taking bail outs and end of quarter heaves and with less than 1 attempt a game that’s obviously gonna eat into the percentage. The facts are with increased volume his 3 point percentage went up. That’s also regardless of line distance.
I like what shaq said back in the days "Lebron vs Jordan? Hold on, when did he pass Kobe?"
I dont know if you finally saw all my posts about birds numbers and context... but Im glad you finally broached the subject.
I wish you would have added that yrs 2 thru 5 it was mostly due to his coach who literally prevented him from shooting the 3.. so when he shot 1.0 or below he was in the 20s... and even his last 3 yrs when he was in so much pain he was still a 40% shooter minus the 1st of those 3rs where he had the hand issues so he only shot 33%
and he simply didn't practice the shot.. your 5plus attempts stat is fantastic.
The fact that he was the pioneer and absolutely a 40% shooter in context he is certainly one of the best ever.. Reddick is smug and condescending.. and simply jealous because he feels he should have been the next bird... he just wasn't as talented.
1 other point... there is a MASSIVE difference between guys like bird miller and curry as opposed to reddick kerr...
Its a MONUMENTAL difference when you are the one that EVERYONE is focused on stopping as opposed to a 3rd 4th or 5th option... a guy basically just waiting in a corner for everyone else's work to get them an open attempt... larry usually had to work or create his own attempt.. reddick is a moron
Basketball has to be the only sport that disrespects its own history.
Everybody say Thank you, Lebron!
It's a bit weird JJ is trashing Bird's three point shooting since he himself had the similar issue. JJ is easily top 5 three point shooter had he started playing in 2010. Perhaps he's salty because they keep bringing up other people's three point shooting and never talk about his? Which makes Luka's joke even funnier now.
He's type is why I don't even watch anymore.
Byrd was the reason I watched.
Byrd wasn't a three point gunner, he played with a team ... He passed.
I hope they keep that same energy 20 years from now so the next generation or two can discredit them also.
Time flies
I like how people like JJ when bashing older eras ignore that the current Blazers, Wizards, Raptors, Nets, Hornets, Pistons, and Spurs without Wemby are all basically G-League teams
I think in Reddick mind , the top ten basketball players are from this cottonll era, top ten assists leader from this cottonelle era, top ten rebounders from this cottonelle era, top ten shot blockers, from this cottonelle era, top ten scorers from this cottonelle era, well youngins, that god for the Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell, Magic Johnson , Larry Bird , Michael Jordan , Hakeem Olajuwon, David Robinson and others that proved him wrong
Bird is in my top 5 all time.
As the LOGO said asking about THAT fool: "Tell me what his career looked like; What did he do that determined games?"
Taking a shot at ONE of the BEST in the NBA, when his career is a good role player at best.
I would not think he would be on Top 50 of the best role players.
Btw, remember in that era & with the low volume some of the 3s a player attempted in the game were desperation shots. So if a player took 2 attempts one of them being a half court shot the %s are heavily impacted.
JJ needs to know his place
And who’s J.J. Redick wasn’t he a role player 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bird shot with his left hand for three quarters amazing
What jj didn't mention is every year from 81 to 86 that bird didn't win mvp he was runner up, got 3rd in 87. I watched that era through today's nba and if i was starting a team he would be my first pick.