People who weren't even alive in the 90's and never watched the games live on TV...are now running a campaign to downgrade the era. The audacity is outlandish. 😂
Well.. it is more of a case of people making money off by being reactionary and outlandish. It is the alt right social media model, just keep saying dumb sh*t that a group of people 'feel' and you will get views.
Everyone's watching full 90s games and laughing at how hilariously bad the offense and defense actually was. They now realize they have been lied to. It is what it is. You can either rewatch them honestly, or continue to delude yourself. My first finals was 91 Lakers vs Bulls. At first I believed the media and my nostalgia. At some point I rewatched the 91 finals and realised they were lying.
@@bierdlll LOL, stop being a clown. If you were to round tothe nearest number percentage of people who never watched 90s bball and are now watching full 90s games today you would get ZERO %. You are talking about tik tokers click baiting children into watching their videos by claiming they are have been watching stuff. I am not going to say whether we believe you or not about what you watched, but if you say you watched 90s games and account for the rules: (just the tight travelling and more importantly CARRYING calls), and the amount of allowed contact and the somehow suggest that it was easier to score then, there has to be something wrong with you.
Lebron james fanbase is so toxic they are trying to disrespect countless legends just to desperately try and prop up their fake goat. Its a new low for them.
@@Michiiigringhes great yeah greater than all players minus one to 3 players, but the notion that hes greatest is a fake case thats been dragged out by this point
90s is the era of no bag, no handles, 30% 3pt shooting, goons camping in the paint, no zones, no handchecking and half the keague being useless on the offensive end or from further out than 10 feet
@@tdup191 Ah, found the kid who was 5yrs old on the 90s! The league didn't crack 35% until 1995 younging and then shortened the 3pt line between 95-97 so they could finally crack 36%. Now that you learned something I hope you act right
@@ImportAl Giannis is another guy like Jokic too, loyal to the team that drafted him, never cheating the fans, the only thing preventing him from playing all 82 games is INJURIES.
as a human who was born in 88, i could say 90s is better than 2020s, not just in the NBA but in society itself. Technology taken away the beauty of mother nature, the focus and empathy of people, and lots of people now have platforms to VOICE THEIR TOXICITY. That time, there was BALANCE in nature and technology, balance in offense and defense, balance in basketball and business side.
Well, there were/are plenty of books about this issue on technology impacting culture and it does have some merit . Should we go back to more primitive times? . Do you remember how the baby boomers were criticizing the Gen Xers with how they ushered in gangsta rap and ruin culture? Nothing new is happening here now and I don't want to go back to the 90s with all of the limitations on what can be accomplished. You were a 90s kid like me looking at life through a rose-colored glasses lens watching power rangers. It wasn't as great as you remembered especially for certain kinds people.
Almost EVERYTHING used to be better, not just basketball. Honestly, the argument is really more about the overall collapse of society and the destruction of human imagination/spirit, and things like that lol
That's HILLARIOUS. I remember all the "grumpy old people" saying that exact same thing, in the nineties, how Today is horrible, and life was so much better, in the sixties....I also remember Archie Bunker sang, in the All in the family theme sing, which was written in the 1960's how life was so much better, in the 1930's when Herbert Hoover was President, than in the sixties..It doesn't matter what year it is 1930's 1960's 1990's 2020's 2050's There will always be "grumpy old people " lamenting for the "good old days" that never existed
Early 00s may have been worse than today which is why league changed the rules. Every Finals from 00-09 wasnt tht great outside of maybe 76ers vs Lakers
STOCKTON AND HORNECK TWICE DANNY AINGE AND CRIAG EHLO THUNDER DAN FINALS IS UNWATCHABLE......YALL MAD BLKMEN CAN PLAY BASKETBALL AND THE AMERICAN YT MAN CANT .....JUST SAD TRYING TO DISCREDIT DOMINATING BLKMEN OVER A GUY WHO PLAYED WEAK AMERICAN YT MEN 💯
What made the 90's the golden age of basketball was the tough rugged defense that was allowed in the game just like a hockey team. Actual rivals and players who actually wanted to compete. In today's game players have to much privilege to do whatever they want but that will soon be their downfall as the years go on.
BRO STOCKTON, HORNECK, MUGSBY, SPUDD, THUNDER DAN, AINGE, EHLO WAS NIT BLKING SHOTS OR VAN HOLD TODAYS DOMINATING BLKMEN...YALL MAD BLKMEN CAN PLAY BASKETBALL AND L J CARRIES AMERICAN YT PLAYERS TODAY 😂😂😂😂
You forgot fundamentals. Fundamentals is a joke these days and more like Harlem Globetrotters where they are free to dribble all over the place without worrying about a fundamental defensive player getting in the way. Luka and Joker are proving that fundamentals are superior to athleticism.
@@calvinbrice.t2140 I'm not talking about the video. I'm talking about what this dude said. I didn't even watch the video. I just wanted to see how stupid the comments would get. Wasn't even planning on actually replying to anything till I saw this. And a lot of Vince's best dunks were in the 00's.
the scary thing about this is that more and more people, especially young basketball fans/players actually believe the "we done with the 90s" shenanigans
It’s cause they’re finally going back and watching and realizing no the defense wasn’t better the offense was just terrible 3pt shooting alone proves this
It's fine to say that player are more skilled today then back then cause it's obviously true, but you still gotta show some respect to legends of that time
@@ikhoonyejelem2967 yeah no this week era has traveling flopping and zero defense does not have more skilled elite athletes. The average might be better, but the peak certainly is not.
@@user-jq8lx5dd1y not might be, they're easily better🤣 and so are the superstars. Nikola jokic, giannis, lebron, Joel embiid and luka doncic would all average 30 point triple doubles while barely breaking a sweat in your era bro
People who say “we done with the 90s” like Gilbert arenas should give back the money they got paid for because without players like Magic and bird saving the nba in the 80s because of their rivalry, there might not be an NBA today. Charles Barkley once said that if it wasn’t for Michael Jordan, he wouldn’t be making millions.
Gilbert is a high level programmer. I doubt he even truly believes what he's saying half the time, but the Nba is secretly paying him a job to do. Aka put this era on a pedestal
Literally no😂 they're the epitome of the modern dominant nba team, spacing, perimeter defence and constant ball movement. everything most 90s team DIDN'T have lol
The funny thing is there’s only ONE player who changed the game and elevated it globally, that left such a large impression on the NBA universe and its fans so DEEP! That 20+ years later his merch is still being bought today, worn today and even collected as rare collectible items. And that ONE player is #23 Michael Jeffrey Jordan. He was the reason arenas were sold out, opposing teams had no other option than to respect his game….the 90s was a special era..
The 90s were better than this soft boring cupcake era. This era and decade is so boring. I rather watch players play physically than players now being ballerinas.
I think most people are having 2 different arguments. If we're talking evolution of the skills, then obviously the most current has the advantage of past skillsets to build upon. However, the NBA is a professional sport and that means FANS have to ENJOY it. If they're not, then that would equate to the product being worse. The 90s was the height of the game's popularity. That matters a lot.
Honestly I lost interest in the league years ago. Mostly due to how the game has changed. Last time I realkyvyookbibteredtvusxwhen Lebron shd Tge Cavs went against ZgSW in Tge finals. And it was in that series u decided that I liked Kyrie Irving better than Lebron…
that "evolution of the skills" can be summerized as : just shooting better, because today's handling and dribble moves would be absolutely whistled as travel, carry and double dribbling in the 80's or 90's. And what about the involution of other basketball skills like post moves ? Shouldn't this count as well ?
@@theghostofbabanovac7069 I think the main improvement is probably over time, the crop of players being drafted have been shooting 3s since they were children and even taller players are learning ball handling like a guard only used to have. Holmgren and Wemby are great examples of this. But yes, I agree that a lot of the game has devolved thanks to a relaxation of rules (the carries are insane now) and the allowance of extra steps and moving screens makes me mental, lol!
90s had a mixture of it all. Skill, fundamental, athleticism, defense, high iq, rule of thumbs (don't come to the hole too much, don't get too hot behind the 3 get touched up), chemistry, loyalty, passion. Same talented players ppl talk about today would not be the same if they played in the 99s we all are on that, so how good r they. We also agree that the 80s &90s players stats would increase if they played in this era, so are they Even equal.
Imagine the no1, no3 and no5 overall picks of the 1984 draft teamed up together after their “rookie contracts” were up. You’d have Hakeem, Jordan and Barkley on one team 😭😭😭 Everyday I thank God the older players never ran from the grind
I'm watching Bill Simmons' Rewatcha Bulls and the actual games, the intensity and defensive effort was crazy, crowds were lit, refs kept the fame moving. All things betterthan today.
The defensive intensity only looked higher to you cause players who weren't superstars were way worse at scoring than role players today + handchecking was basically a cheat code for players with long arms making it even easier to play defense 🤦
@@ikhoonyejelem2967 No hand check rule definitely aided defenders, as did no freedom of movement rules, no 3 in the key, no allowed carrying or travelling, no 3 point line growing up. Please appreciate the eras for their differences, I don't want to blast today's players but think their tremendous skill has been offset by ridiculously high contracts while resting, endless online praise, so many new issues. Each era has obvious pros and cons, but no era is "better".
@@ImportAl crossovers, spin moves and gather steps really are witchcraft to yall huh? 😂 Zone defense wasn't even allowed until the 2000s and yall wanna tell me the 90s were the "defensive peak" of the nba. 04 pistons team would hold and nba team in the 90s to 60 points🤣
@@ikhoonyejelem2967 04 Pistons aren't even 88-91 Pistons, who BULLS SWEPT to go on and beat Magic. Iverson and Kyrie would be whistled for carrying on all that, be reduced to legal Isiah Thomas shimmies. YOU want to claim era supremacy, just accept they're different, not better or worse.
Bring back the offensive foul and the hand checks, enforce rules on traveling and carrying, and get rid of the 3-pointer. I want to see a superstar who, like Bird or Jordan, can score effectively in spite of a solid defense and participate in a solid defense on the other end of the court, rather than modern superstars who get ignored by defenses or flop if they aren't, then phone it in on the other end - when they decide not to "load manage", that is.
Agree with everything you said but the 3 pointer... keep it, just move it back at LEAST 3 or 4 feet. Bet your ass only the most skilled shooters will even be ALLOWED to take those shots from their coach. The fact that they haven't already moved it back is mind baffling.
The late 80's & 90's was when I started watching NBA. It was difficult to ignore. I was NFL kind of sports fan. Bird, Bad Boys, Knicks, Lakers' Magic & Jabar carried over into the 90's. Then a ton of HOF talent emerged! MJ dominated as well. These all stars packed their home field. Their house was packed for the excitement. Nowadays, it's nothing like it used to be. Lefraud James ruined the NBA.
List goes like this: 90s, 80s, 2000s. The fact that some think the modern NBA is the greatest because of how ”skilled the league has become” is honestly hilarious. Great video as always.
Last year the nba league wide set a record free throw percentage, and in 2020-2021 3 point percentage and you think the league was more skilled in the past??😂 😂
@@vicepresidentmikepence889 Are you accounting for the rules? The league now makes about 2-3 more threes per 100 than in the early 90s...but is it not easier to score when you can travel you can carry you will not get hip checked when slashing or trying to get oppened. you will not get hand checked you get 3 free throws instead of 2 when fouled on 3pt attempt is it not easier to make FT if you have not had to play defence the whole game, or gotten battered by players. Just watching the the rewatchables podcast and they are showing the full court press that stars like MJ and Pippen had to play the WHOLE game. Don't know if you have played organised ball, but that is exhausting and you still have to make your FTs ... come on!
@@Michiiigring Fatigue buddy? Have you ever played organised ball? The more beat up you are the harder it is for you to make your FTs, is this really hard to understand?
The WNBA has had more than one season where they have had a better average free throw % than the NBA... by some margin. By the mikepence's and Michiigring's logic The WNBA is way more skilful than the NBA... LMFAO
Kids forget late 90s Shaq the most unstoppable force in modern basketball. It was the equivalent of you playing on a smaller court against your younger nephews. Just domination 😂
When I saw AD quit on a huge game because of a soft elbow, I started thinking of the 90s where MJ had to play through an entire series of that, even worse where the flagrant foul didn’t exist against the bad boys. This era has no heart, or grit. These players don’t care about anything except how much they get paid, and shooting 3s. Hopefully we get that old school mentality back when LeBalco retires, I’m convinced this teenage girl mentality started with him.
I agree. NBA was so much better when Bird and Magic won almost every ring in the 80s, Jordan and Hakeem won almost every ring in the 90s, and Shaq and Duncan won almost every ring in the 2000s.
@@xylynthian753 actually it was. Those teams were the high bar and you had to get your weight up to beat them. Btw you forgot the Pistons and the Spurs lol.
@@esho758 My argument is that there wasn't any competition back in the day either. Just the same 2-3 teams dominating. Unc is just complaining about nothing.
The 90's had: Tough players Loyal players No super teams Actual defense Diverse styles of play Dominant Post Players Actual pass first point guards Players weren't jumping around from team to team every year trying to clique up with each other AAU style. Olajuwon built with the Rockets Ewing's Knicks Barkley with the Suns Robinson with the Spurs Malone & Stockton with the Jazz Shaq & Penny in Orlando Reggie with the Pacers These guys weren't conspiring with each other to take down Jordan. If they were in the modern era they would have done like LeBron and made a super team.
Agreed with everything, but Shaq. He jumped ship for the Lakers at his first opportunity. Barkley played 4 seasons with the Suns after 8 years with the 76ers and he left the Suns to form a super team with the Rockets. Shaq was the only one in his prime and he didn't leave to form a super team, but simply wanted to go to the Lakers.
I think superteam forming exised in every era to a certain extent but Lebron brought it to climax with 2 prevaling top 10 players concurrently (and then repeatedly) at the most very prime age. What made him being abhorred by even nowadays nba young fans were that he developed floping, travelling, blaming and standstill eyesight defence with stat padding by keeping the ball and pretending to be assisting the team. Ugly truth is that all his good teammates stat went down after teaming up with him. Westbrook just exposed him because two genuine statpadder could not survive or thrive in one single team concurrently to share limited stats. They were just two stat padders.
One thing about how the 90s are better than the 20s is the uniforms and logos. The Utah Jazz and Houston Rockets uniforms and logos looked perfect for the 90s. Other times like the Detroit Pistons and Phoneix Suns also had awesome logos and uniforms.
No the answer is actually that modern players played significantly more than players of the past BEFORE they came to the nba on average, so they had more milage on their body coming into the league which makes you more suseptible to injuries during your career + players in the past played hurt a lot which led to shorter careers on average lol
90s players didn’t get paid as much but they thought of the normal people who buy tickets to watch them. 2020s players are the complete opposite: overpaid to be narcissistic.
Just a difference of opinion but I personally I didn’t like basketball from 2000-2013 as I call the Wanna be Jordan era, the Warriors played a different brand of basketball which I found more entertaining because it didn’t feel like they were trying to be a discount version of someone else. The raptors and nuggets championship runs were also entertaining in my opinion.
@@ikhoonyejelem2967 you think he was the best player in the world in 2011 with 0 championships? Getting beat by Orlando in the playoffs ? In 2011 as Kobe just went to 3 straight finals winning two of the with one other all star ave 17 points a game ? You bronsexuals are legit insane.
Gotta give my boy Zion a shoutout. He plays his way and is actually entertaining because of it. Still a disappointment with how much time he has missed and his conditioning. But when he is out there he is very good. Bro drives left every time and never shoots jumpers and still averages 25. He must be more skilled than everyone else 😂
lakers seed 19/20 - 1 seed lakers seed 20/21 - 7 seed (would've made even without but still had to go through the process) lakers seed 22/23 - 7 seed (would've made even without but still had to go through the process)
@@LeGoatOnTop 23/24 - Lakers and Warriors, the most popular teams in league who have 40 nationally televised games a piece, would be irrelevant if not for play in 😂
I hate how this agenda is pushed as a “old head vs new gen” dude I’m literally born in 2001 and modern nba is so unwatchable golden era was definitely 90/2000’s
The only thing that's better today is guys no longer shoot long 2 pointers. You can watch games from the 90s and routinely see guys shoot 20 footers when they could easily take a step back and shoot a 3.
God I hope you never stop making videos like this!!! Great points, stats, and of course common reasoning & keeping it real!!! And not being a delusional robot fan that doesn’t think for themselves and just repeat whatever espn/fox says
I don't know if I've already told you this in one of your videos but this is by far, your best analysis ever! You were able to describe and explain the reason why most of us don't like the games nowadays.
What you mentioned in terms of variance of style is why i miss the 90s. Each team had it's all star or superstar leader and the play style was different among all the different stars and the team style followed suit. I loved 3 point "heavy" players or teams back then because only the best shot that many and i loved fast paced run n gun teams because it clashed so differently with the slow it down teams. Now everyone plays the same from players to team systems. Yes there were downsides. Coaches wanting to force it in the post to someone who probably shouldn't be getting possessions going through them or in general forcing talented guys to play only back to the basket. Yes, there were lots of big stiffs there as bodies to throw at the HOF bigs-but many to throw at Shaq. Put Shaq in todays league and the number of big stiffs would drastically go up too-i guarantee it. Yes, there were more specialists roles(and yes you could argue many of the bigs and the specialists couldn't make a team today-fine, but getting rid of them is one of the reasons why differing team styles is all but extinct now). So yes, i would love to see a bit more freedom for the forwards and centers to be able to face up, handle a bit more and stretch the floor a bit more. Yes, the point guards look small outside of some outliers compared to many today, but that's only because most today are just shooting guards and there's no real point guard anymore in the traditional sense back then. I do like a bit of the positionless set up-but not for every team. I do like 3 pt teams, but not for every team. I do like small ball teams, but not for every team. I do like run n gun, and i do like grind it out teams. JUST NOT EVERY fkn team. Each different style should have a counter or clash of matchups. The "soft" jump shooting team vs the bully slow it down, grind it out team. The small ball explosive team vs the slower, but bigger and stronger team. If i had a perfect league, it would be 60% 90s, 20% 2ks, 12% 2010s, 5% 80s. 3% 2020s
IMO the traditional point guard “general” and coach on the floor who set the tempo and the traditional power forward from back then get the most hate. They see those 90s pgs and they repeat trash like Arenas who says he and pgs today would destroy them, completely ignoring that Arenas and all these “pgs” would be a shooting guards in the 90s because in a traditional position- it’s what they are and having the ball in their hands more just leads to more assists- but doesn’t make them traditional point guards. The tradition power forward is basically a center today. They get clowned on as unskilled and unathletic guys who couldn’t play so all they did was bully and hurt other players. “Issa complete crap!” Almost every traditional power forward back then had a money spot up mid range shot and more advanced post play and would eat up todays Fs- many of whom are basically traditional small forwards in style( no I ain’t hating only- todays forwards would feast from the perimeter against *most of the traditional power forwards if they’re not allowed to play physically aggressive. Anyway my point is those traditional PFs would just train to stretch the floor from a spot they’d be efficient at and they’d turn them into a boring stat player just the same. Hell, we saw Marc Gasol and Serg Ibaka go from shooting no threes to almost exclusively shooting 3s in just a summer of training. Why do you think Luc Longley or Charles Oakley wouldn’t be spotting up from 3 today? May take them a few summers to really get efficient- but they’d get there. I would just worry all the shooting and handles techniques/training of today would continue to lead to everyone playing the same and looking the same in style and play aesthetic. So just let big Oak knock down mfers who dare to attack the rim and hit the occasional mid range post up.
centers were stifled into playing back to the basket and Olajuwon himself mentioned that he didn't want to be a traditional kind of center which is why he was so much more skilled than any other center in the 90s . That's why he was so much better because he was smart and figured out the limitations of just wanting to stay in the paint despite him being great at it . why did Olajuwon feel that it was so easy for him to dominate then? He told Kenny smith that he doesn't have to even worry about these centers?
I just don’t see the rivalries or the intensity in today’s game. Game’s were seriously intense in the 80’s-90’s. Today it feels like Disneyland basketball. Noting feels meaningful.
@@weedydays5718 I love all those decades, 60's were great too with Elgin Baylor and Earl Monroe being pretty awesome in their primes. 2000's are horrible basketball lol. Even in the 50's you had incredible players like Bob Cousy who was making difficult shots without even looking at the basket! LeBron can't even make a no look free throw 🤣
I agree, when the nugget played the celtics the nuggets had a 2 point lead with 2 minutes remaining, the celtics got the offensive rebounds of missed threes and they kept throwing the ball to the perimeter instead of doing a floater from the paint to tie the game. And they ended losing that game as expected. Losing their 20-0 home court record. You live by the three or you die by the three.
I’ve learned to understand that the LeBron era is all these kids know. They’ve been brainwashed by ESPN and all those dumb ass stats that ESPN creates. Respect to the very few of this generation who can actually use their brains and think for themselves. As far as this so called “debate” goes, there’s no way in hell I’m gonna argue with someone who never watched Jordan play, let alone who wasn’t even born in the 90’s.
Could say the same like 30 years from now I can just as easily say "they dont know nothing about no curry they wasn't eveh born yet when he was shooting from deep" point is the game is gonna grow at one point someone is gonna become a better shooter than curry and we aint gonna like that because we grew up with curry same how yall grew up with mj, but thats not to say Jordan has been surpassed i still think hes #1 but let's not pretend lbj hasn't gotten close. Compare the people in their respective era because we can't say who would be better in certain eras when they only been in their respective era
I don't think players today actually like basketball that much. They like what it brings, fame and fortune, but they don't actually love the game. If basketball wasn't so popular, they would jump to whatever sport they felt would bring attention and money.
The key point you made that I say all the time. Teams used players to their strengths. Not everyone is a great 3 point shooter so why is everyone shooting 3 with reckless abandon? 2014 Spurs showed teams the balance between shooting 3s and dominating inside but no team has really picked up. Maybe except for Nuggets to an extent.
The 1995-1998 bulls had three point assassins who only shot threes if they were behind or teams would double Jordan or Rodman off the boards They had a great rebounding core with Rodman, Longley and Pippen With great assist game from Jordan, Kerr, Pippen, Brown and Worthington That's why they were so great , they all played off each other's strengths
@@thepubknight6144 exactly & when they were open as well. They also had decent 3 point shooters earlier on as well. The idea back in the day was always to find the open man closest to the basket. A player could close out hard on you and have his feet tangled up with yours and nothing was called. 😂 Now you can go up and know your landing space is respected. No more sprained ankles or twists. There’s more freedom to shoot now because of that.
Stephen Curry picked LeBron James’ pockets last night. LeBron James is TURNOVER-BOY aka The ALL-TIME TURNOVER LEADER in world history aka The GREATEST LOSER of A BASKETBALL POSSESSION in NBA HISTORY. LeBron James achieves the record he didn't want: First player in NBA history to reach 5,000 turnovers Surpassed the 5,000 barrier against the Suns.
I remember that Bill Simmons regards 84-93 as the absolute peak and thinks that 94 started a dip in quality because of the league beginning more expansion.
As a former basketball player in high school 🏫 I can tell you the mid-range shot is more difficult to make then the 3 point shot because with the mid range you can’t shot too hard or too soft…3 pointers ..you have to shot it with force..its a lot of people who did not make it to college let along the NBA who can shot the 3 ball 🏀 with ease..I’m not impressed by it..I’m sorry
I Agree probably most of them , ti was tough back then, even when we used to play pick up games on the court it was no joke, today is just soft the whole society is just soft
People always pull the worst Jordan clips. Like game one of the 91 finals. Like.... How about the 91 eastern finals... See Jordan get punched in the face every time he goes into the paint. But still drops 40
I miss lockdown defense. That clip at 9:45 is a good example. Harden just gets locked down after trying a few moves. I rarely see that kind of defense. Partially because players just don't want to play it, and partially because they aren't given the opportunity since it's always a pass/shoot fest before it can even happen. Nothing gets me more hyped now than in crunch time when someone plays lockdown defense on someone that leads to a miss or steal or something that swings the momentum. While it wasn't the 90's, as a Bulls fan, I miss when we had Deng. He just played lockdown D all the time. I just watched him regardless of who else was on the court. I just love defensive effort and the payoff/hype that comes from it.
I was born in the 90's but I know what is good basketball and what isn't. It has nothing to do with generational bias, today's game is just a bad product. They say that the players today are so much more skilled, and yet their "goat" has built his entire career on bulldozing through people and now you have the league where fundamental basketball rules don't exist anymore. This idea that everything evolves with time is just a lazy argument. Some things get better with time, some get worse.
I do not watch basketball, so I have to ask: -- more skilled today? Does that mean launching more 3's? That is a skill some may have, but I would not call it majority. -- more athletic? How is that shown? 3 pointers are skill, so super athlete not needed. -- dribbling is a skill There is so much traveling and carrying, so dribbling is limited. Dribbling well rarely exists today. -- load management This allegedly more athleticism requires more rest? In the day and age of knowledge, load management requirements should be less. Diet, exercise, sleep are big factors in health and fitness. I will not even put skates on the players, but inquire how many players today can run the court back and forth five times without requiring a serious rest? No cardio workout? Look at my bug muscles, but they solely work standing still and with much rest. -- Why are there so many air balks today? Are there depth perception issues with the players? Even still there should be some kind of memory on distance and location of the rim. Likely more, but cannot remember. Whatever the sport, whatever the day, athletes adapt themselves according...for the majority. It is beyond difficult to compare one person to another. You can be an athlete, a plumber, a stay at home mom or an Indian Chief, but we all have pros and cons.
The average player is much more skilled than the average player from 3 decades ago, it's just the game evolving. Superstars would do well in todays league, just like superstars today would do well in the league 3 decades ago. (Given time to adapt of course) The Average player today would probably be more athletic than the average player 30 years ago, better technology, better understanding on how to improve athleticism, more people scouted to become professionals, etc. Dribbling requires more skill than dribbling 30 years ago (Just like 90's players were better at dribbling than 60's/70's players) People broke rules ALL the time in the 90s, traveling and carrying just became one of those rules you could get away with breaking. The average NBA player is a better Athlete than 30 years ago, but people who understand how the human body works (Professionals, not people who watch the NBA at home on their couch) know that it is NOT a good idea to play 40 minutes a game 82+ games a season, unless you want to be injured frequently. It just puts way too much stress on the body. We knew much less about the stress the body went through in an NBA game 40 years ago, and load management makes it so you're not having your teams star player on a 50m/year contract injured every other year. Conditioning in todays NBA is wild, just look at Curry, that guy can run around the court for 40 minutes full speed without rest and not be gassed, but it would put loads of stress on his body. I doubt there is a concrete stat on the number of air balls per season, but I would assume there was more 40 years ago than in todays NBA. But the internet exists, Those clips WILL be shared and seen by many more people than air balls 40 years ago.
Cupcake era lmaoooo playing defense is too hard and having tough competition is too hard 😂😂😂 we wanna be divas and join forces and have fashion shows pre game
💥 In the 80's & 90's the players MADE each other better by playing tough DEFENSE and not giving up NOTHING! You had to TAKE it!!!💪🏿 They don't push each other today to be great! 💥TOO S.O.F.T.💥
And these people got to say something about today's players like they're more skilled they're more athletic. They got to do something to try to get people to buy in because these people are also making 10 times more money then they've ever made. And that's sad they're making way more money and nobody's really watching like they used to
It's funny how when you mentioned the team styles of the 90's, every player you mentioned had a team offense. But when you got to the Rockets, it was basically "Olajuwon's Rockets with him on the post" lol just goes to show that Olajuwon accomplished more with less help than anybody in NBA history
I dunno, those two Rockets teams tht won in 94-95 were talented especially after they got Clyde. I think Dirk winning in 11 was the most impressive doing more with less
@@tdup191 yeah you don't know. Ortiz Thorpe was the only player on those rosters to ever even make an all star team and he was just an injury replacement. Cassell was a rookie and Horry was in his second season. Rudy T was a second year head coach, Mario Ellie was in his 3rd season in the NBA and was playing in Italy before that, Carl Herrera and Scotty Brooks came off the bench and in the playoffs the Rockets had to sign a guy named Chris Jent who only played 27 NBA games his entire life... They all have a ring because of Olajuwon
@@tdup191 Dirk had Jason Kidd one of the greatest PG's of all time and the Mavs winning that Finals had more to do with LeBron choking and disappearing than anything Dirk did. Wade would've made that series a sweep for the Heat if LeBron didn't choke
That’s not true though, they had a lot of underrated good role players who played off Hakeem like Clyde and The Jet which allowed him to play 1 on 1 in the post and find them for shots.
@@mrsky67 SMH Drexler didn't join the Rockets until February of 95' and the Rockets had a losing record with Clyde. The jet?! SMH so basically you didn't watch that series and don't know anything... Kenny Smith and Cassell combined avg 15ppg.. Derek Harper was the Knicks 3rd leading scorer avg 16ppg by himself. Olajuwon's next leading scorer in the Finals was Maxwell with 13ppg on 36% FG!
They have nothing to say because they weren't even watching or were alive in the 90's their credibility is shot. They have no opinion worthwhile to even listen to. Today's game: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz It's like comparing the Big 12 to SEC in football. SEC tears up the Big 12 everytime because Big 12 is weak in defense with tons of offense, while the SEC is strong in defense. It would relate the same way to 90's basketball to 20's basketball SEC is much more competitive and more fun to watch and 90's basketball was too and defense always wins championships every time.
4:47 This is what I've been saying for a while..especially when teams face the warriors these days..all of a sudden everyone wants to outshoot them from 3😂
I think what people don't get, is that great offense has always beaten out great defense, and always will. But what happens, when you can only be a great defender in the modern NBA if you're athletic and have an above average wingspan for your position, and no matter how fundamentally sound you're on defense, you're going to get smoked, since there's so many restraints on what you can do as a defender? I can't tell you how often I see players going for layups, practically shoving or holding the hand of defenders, and if the defenders show the littlest of resistance, they get called for a foul. The fact is 90's ball, ALLOWED players to go as hard on offense as they could go on defense, if they had the will and the energy to do so. Simple fact is the defenders in the modern NBA are handicapped, not by their skillset, but by the rules.
People who weren't even alive in the 90's and never watched the games live on TV...are now running a campaign to downgrade the era. The audacity is outlandish. 😂
Well.. it is more of a case of people making money off by being reactionary and outlandish. It is the alt right social media model, just keep saying dumb sh*t that a group of people 'feel' and you will get views.
@@noomade Yep, that's exactly it. You nailed the script. 💯
Everyone's watching full 90s games and laughing at how hilariously bad the offense and defense actually was. They now realize they have been lied to. It is what it is. You can either rewatch them honestly, or continue to delude yourself.
My first finals was 91 Lakers vs Bulls. At first I believed the media and my nostalgia. At some point I rewatched the 91 finals and realised they were lying.
@@bierdlll LOL, stop being a clown. If you were to round tothe nearest number percentage of people who never watched 90s bball and are now watching full 90s games today you would get ZERO %.
You are talking about tik tokers click baiting children into watching their videos by claiming they are have been watching stuff.
I am not going to say whether we believe you or not about what you watched, but if you say you watched 90s games and account for the rules: (just the tight travelling and more importantly CARRYING calls), and the amount of allowed contact and the somehow suggest that it was easier to score then, there has to be something wrong with you.
@@bierdlll jesus 😂 somebody drank the ‘koolade’
Lebron james fanbase is so toxic they are trying to disrespect countless legends just to desperately try and prop up their fake goat. Its a new low for them.
They've always did that. It's just more clowns are willing to make videos to make the claim now.
Y’all old heads started this trying not to give these youngsters some credit
by calling him fake goat youre doing the exact thing ur hating on them for how ironic
@@Michiiigringhes great yeah greater than all players minus one to 3 players, but the notion that hes greatest is a fake case thats been dragged out by this point
@@issacforman5069cry about it🤡 lmao you make young dudes sound soft like you got some sugar in your tank🤣🤣
2020s : era of traveling, carring, flopping, road management, no defense
90s is the era of no bag, no handles, 30% 3pt shooting, goons camping in the paint, no zones, no handchecking and half the keague being useless on the offensive end or from further out than 10 feet
@@andrewcook1246 3 pt % from 90s.... 35-36%..... 3 pt % currently.... 36 % ..... 😂👎🏽
@@andrewcook1246 another casual filipino
@@tdup191 Ah, found the kid who was 5yrs old on the 90s! The league didn't crack 35% until 1995 younging and then shortened the 3pt line between 95-97 so they could finally crack 36%. Now that you learned something I hope you act right
@@ATAKA-Bro I'm American lol. I've also been watching NBA since before you were born xD.
Only 5 players played 82 games in 22 that’s SAD!
This is one of many reasons why I feel Jokic is the best. Old soul who plods along like a tractor but never cheats the fans.
It's crazy cuz last year's leader in points scored 2,215 points... That wouldn't have been #5 in points in 1990
2022-23 season only 10 players played all 82 games. out of them 10, only 5 were starters in their teams.
@@ImportAl Giannis is another guy like Jokic too, loyal to the team that drafted him, never cheating the fans, the only thing preventing him from playing all 82 games is INJURIES.
Mugsy Bogues and Spud Webb have more 82 game seasons between them than all of todays stars combined
as a human who was born in 88, i could say 90s is better than 2020s, not just in the NBA but in society itself.
Technology taken away the beauty of mother nature, the focus and empathy of people, and lots of people now have platforms to VOICE THEIR TOXICITY.
That time, there was BALANCE in nature and technology, balance in offense and defense, balance in basketball and business side.
NO IT WASNT .....STOCKTON AND HORNECK TWICE AVG 12PTS THE WORST BACK COURT EVA 🤡 YOU MAD THE BLKMEN CAN PLAY BASKETBALL YOU SOUND PITIFUL
Man, folks don't even know how to talk unless texting
Facts🎯
As a lizard who was born around the same time, I agree.
Well, there were/are plenty of books about this issue on technology impacting culture and it does have some merit . Should we go back to more primitive times? . Do you remember how the baby boomers were criticizing the Gen Xers with how they ushered in gangsta rap and ruin culture? Nothing new is happening here now and I don't want to go back to the 90s with all of the limitations on what can be accomplished. You were a 90s kid like me looking at life through a rose-colored glasses lens watching power rangers. It wasn't as great as you remembered especially for certain kinds people.
Almost EVERYTHING used to be better, not just basketball. Honestly, the argument is really more about the overall collapse of society and the destruction of human imagination/spirit, and things like that lol
The only thing improving in this society is the technology used to ensIave us
Facts Lol
That's HILLARIOUS. I remember all the "grumpy old people" saying that exact same thing, in the nineties, how Today is horrible, and life was so much better, in the sixties....I also remember Archie Bunker sang, in the All in the family theme sing, which was written in the 1960's how life was so much better, in the 1930's when Herbert Hoover was President, than in the sixties..It doesn't matter what year it is
1930's
1960's
1990's
2020's
2050's There will always be "grumpy old people " lamenting for the "good old days" that never existed
@@vicepresidentmikepence889the 60s were terrible by almost every metric.
Only people saying that it wasn’t would be irrelevant potheads
Says someone commenting on CZcams😂 😂 😂 😂
As someone who grew up watching Kobe in the late 2000s-early 2010s the nba is a lot worse now then it was back then lol
Early 00s may have been worse than today which is why league changed the rules. Every Finals from 00-09 wasnt tht great outside of maybe 76ers vs Lakers
@@tdup191big facts. I felt the same.
I agree. The early 2000s were not great. Mid 2000s to mid 2010s there was a happy medium of defense and offense.
The early and late 2010 was the greatest era in NBA history
@@tdup191 I said late 00s and don’t lie lakers vs Celtics was fire
2024 NBA is unwatchable.
1994 nba was unwatchable. Players tackling each other, and missing every shot beyond 15 feet
STOCKTON AND HORNECK TWICE DANNY AINGE AND CRIAG EHLO THUNDER DAN FINALS IS UNWATCHABLE......YALL MAD BLKMEN CAN PLAY BASKETBALL AND THE AMERICAN YT MAN CANT .....JUST SAD TRYING TO DISCREDIT DOMINATING BLKMEN OVER A GUY WHO PLAYED WEAK AMERICAN YT MEN 💯
2020s are trash and unwatchable
@vicepresidentmikepence889 ur so full of crap it pathetic. Gotta make up lies thats ridiculous
@dee-5297 so ur a racist huh. Or trying to make it a racial thing. And if u wanna be correct white men are dominating the nba right now. Just saying
What made the 90's the golden age of basketball was the tough rugged defense that was allowed in the game just like a hockey team. Actual rivals and players who actually wanted to compete. In today's game players have to much privilege to do whatever they want but that will soon be their downfall as the years go on.
BRO STOCKTON, HORNECK, MUGSBY, SPUDD, THUNDER DAN, AINGE, EHLO WAS NIT BLKING SHOTS OR VAN HOLD TODAYS DOMINATING BLKMEN...YALL MAD BLKMEN CAN PLAY BASKETBALL AND L J CARRIES AMERICAN YT PLAYERS TODAY 😂😂😂😂
@@dee-5297and this shows that the educational system here in America is failing.
@@adyingshadow FACTS cause I don't understand what that guy is saying. Is that English or spanglish?
@@anthonystevenson830 I don’t know either. He’s probably speaking in stupid lol
You forgot fundamentals. Fundamentals is a joke these days and more like Harlem Globetrotters where they are free to dribble all over the place without worrying about a fundamental defensive player getting in the way. Luka and Joker are proving that fundamentals are superior to athleticism.
That double clutch reverse dunk by a just-past-his-prime MJ from 1996 is better than any play from the past 24 years.
Lol😂😂😂😂Jordashians are funny af. Jordan today is Demar Dorozen
@@TeacherLegendarystupid comment. Very stupid
When y'all say shit like this is when I can't take y'all Jordan lovers* seriously no more. 90% of dunks VC alone did were better than that.
@@JROCK50054 bro it’s just playing around. But Vince was from the 90s also so you’re proving the point of the video
@@calvinbrice.t2140 I'm not talking about the video. I'm talking about what this dude said. I didn't even watch the video. I just wanted to see how stupid the comments would get. Wasn't even planning on actually replying to anything till I saw this. And a lot of Vince's best dunks were in the 00's.
“unwatchable” is a word I NEVER heard about the NBA until nowadays
Nah! I like the nuggets. they are worth watching cause they play as a team and they're not loaded with all stars.
You must have never heard anyone say games from the 80s and 90s damn near put them to sleep
the scary thing about this is that more and more people, especially young basketball fans/players actually believe the "we done with the 90s" shenanigans
that's what happens when they don't know any better they would believe anything
It’s cause they’re finally going back and watching and realizing no the defense wasn’t better the offense was just terrible 3pt shooting alone proves this
It's fine to say that player are more skilled today then back then cause it's obviously true, but you still gotta show some respect to legends of that time
@@ikhoonyejelem2967 yeah no this week era has traveling flopping and zero defense does not have more skilled elite athletes. The average might be better, but the peak certainly is not.
@@user-jq8lx5dd1y not might be, they're easily better🤣 and so are the superstars. Nikola jokic, giannis, lebron, Joel embiid and luka doncic would all average 30 point triple doubles while barely breaking a sweat in your era bro
People who say “we done with the 90s” like Gilbert arenas should give back the money they got paid for because without players like Magic and bird saving the nba in the 80s because of their rivalry, there might not be an NBA today. Charles Barkley once said that if it wasn’t for Michael Jordan, he wouldn’t be making millions.
Gilbert is a high level programmer. I doubt he even truly believes what he's saying half the time, but the Nba is secretly paying him a job to do. Aka put this era on a pedestal
90’s players laughing at todays “load management”.
terrible argument btw
The only current team that has some of the 90s teams qualities is the Nuggets
And theyre winning!
Facts.
Literally no😂 they're the epitome of the modern dominant nba team, spacing, perimeter defence and constant ball movement. everything most 90s team DIDN'T have lol
@@ikhoonyejelem2967 what??? Did you say defense? No no no no. There is no defense in today’s NBA. Go grab a juice box kid.
@@bdc2320 you're a cornball bro, defense is defense and theirs gets even better in the playoffs
80s 90s were box-office must see the best
The funny thing is there’s only ONE player who changed the game and elevated it globally, that left such a large impression on the NBA universe and its fans so DEEP! That 20+ years later his merch is still being bought today, worn today and even collected as rare collectible items. And that ONE player is #23 Michael Jeffrey Jordan. He was the reason arenas were sold out, opposing teams had no other option than to respect his game….the 90s was a special era..
Curry? Let's not pretend he hasn't have everyone shooting 3's
The 90s were better than this soft boring cupcake era. This era and decade is so boring. I rather watch players play physically than players now being ballerinas.
Then watch football, or hockey if you like physically
I guess mma is for you not basketball
@@issacforman5069adults are speaking Junior, go back to bed
Brother they had to move the 3 point line up cause no one capsule shoot
Could
I think most people are having 2 different arguments. If we're talking evolution of the skills, then obviously the most current has the advantage of past skillsets to build upon.
However, the NBA is a professional sport and that means FANS have to ENJOY it. If they're not, then that would equate to the product being worse. The 90s was the height of the game's popularity. That matters a lot.
Honestly I lost interest in the league years ago. Mostly due to how the game has changed. Last time I realkyvyookbibteredtvusxwhen Lebron shd Tge Cavs went against ZgSW in Tge finals. And it was in that series u decided that I liked Kyrie Irving better than Lebron…
that "evolution of the skills" can be summerized as : just shooting better, because today's handling and dribble moves would be absolutely whistled as travel, carry and double dribbling in the 80's or 90's. And what about the involution of other basketball skills like post moves ? Shouldn't this count as well ?
@@theghostofbabanovac7069 I think the main improvement is probably over time, the crop of players being drafted have been shooting 3s since they were children and even taller players are learning ball handling like a guard only used to have. Holmgren and Wemby are great examples of this.
But yes, I agree that a lot of the game has devolved thanks to a relaxation of rules (the carries are insane now) and the allowance of extra steps and moving screens makes me mental, lol!
That’s a good point you made about scoring,not being that complicated, the less moves you do to score the more effective you are.
80's and 90's NBA was some of the greatest basketball ever played on this planet.
90s had a mixture of it all. Skill, fundamental, athleticism, defense, high iq, rule of thumbs (don't come to the hole too much, don't get too hot behind the 3 get touched up), chemistry, loyalty, passion. Same talented players ppl talk about today would not be the same if they played in the 99s we all are on that, so how good r they. We also agree that the 80s &90s players stats would increase if they played in this era, so are they Even equal.
Imagine the no1, no3 and no5 overall picks of the 1984 draft teamed up together after their “rookie contracts” were up. You’d have Hakeem, Jordan and Barkley on one team 😭😭😭 Everyday I thank God the older players never ran from the grind
Might as well forfeit entire season, playoffs and finals, hand the rings to Hakeem, Jordan and Barkley every year.
NBA 80-90 is Unstoppable 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥👍👌 Greatest ever Legends MJ 23#👑 is GOAT Nu 1 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐 fly like an Eagle jump 48
Magic, Kobe, Jordan, Shaq, Duncan helped grow the game not hurt it.
Curry is more impactful than all of them
I'm watching Bill Simmons' Rewatcha Bulls and the actual games, the intensity and defensive effort was crazy, crowds were lit, refs kept the fame moving. All things betterthan today.
The defensive intensity only looked higher to you cause players who weren't superstars were way worse at scoring than role players today + handchecking was basically a cheat code for players with long arms making it even easier to play defense 🤦
@@ikhoonyejelem2967 No hand check rule definitely aided defenders, as did no freedom of movement rules, no 3 in the key, no allowed carrying or travelling, no 3 point line growing up. Please appreciate the eras for their differences, I don't want to blast today's players but think their tremendous skill has been offset by ridiculously high contracts while resting, endless online praise, so many new issues. Each era has obvious pros and cons, but no era is "better".
@@ImportAl crossovers, spin moves and gather steps really are witchcraft to yall huh? 😂 Zone defense wasn't even allowed until the 2000s and yall wanna tell me the 90s were the "defensive peak" of the nba. 04 pistons team would hold and nba team in the 90s to 60 points🤣
@@ikhoonyejelem2967 04 Pistons aren't even 88-91 Pistons, who BULLS SWEPT to go on and beat Magic. Iverson and Kyrie would be whistled for carrying on all that, be reduced to legal Isiah Thomas shimmies. YOU want to claim era supremacy, just accept they're different, not better or worse.
Bring back the offensive foul and the hand checks, enforce rules on traveling and carrying, and get rid of the 3-pointer. I want to see a superstar who, like Bird or Jordan, can score effectively in spite of a solid defense and participate in a solid defense on the other end of the court, rather than modern superstars who get ignored by defenses or flop if they aren't, then phone it in on the other end - when they decide not to "load manage", that is.
Agree with everything you said but the 3 pointer... keep it, just move it back at LEAST 3 or 4 feet. Bet your ass only the most skilled shooters will even be ALLOWED to take those shots from their coach. The fact that they haven't already moved it back is mind baffling.
I believe 90s is the goat era and i became an nba fan last year. The numbers dont lie
It’s really not
The late 80's & 90's was when I started watching NBA. It was difficult to ignore. I was NFL kind of sports fan. Bird, Bad Boys, Knicks, Lakers' Magic & Jabar carried over into the 90's. Then a ton of HOF talent emerged! MJ dominated as well. These all stars packed their home field. Their house was packed for the excitement. Nowadays, it's nothing like it used to be. Lefraud James ruined the NBA.
WE DONE WITH THE 20s!!!
List goes like this: 90s, 80s, 2000s. The fact that some think the modern NBA is the greatest because of how ”skilled the league has become” is honestly hilarious. Great video as always.
Last year the nba league wide set a record free throw percentage, and in 2020-2021 3 point percentage and you think the league was more skilled in the past??😂 😂
@@vicepresidentmikepence889 Are you accounting for the rules?
The league now makes about 2-3 more threes per 100 than in the early 90s...but is it not easier to score when
you can travel
you can carry
you will not get hip checked when slashing or trying to get oppened.
you will not get hand checked
you get 3 free throws instead of 2 when fouled on 3pt attempt
is it not easier to make FT if you have not had to play defence the whole game, or gotten battered by players.
Just watching the the rewatchables podcast and they are showing the full court press that stars like MJ and Pippen had to play the WHOLE game. Don't know if you have played organised ball, but that is exhausting and you still have to make your FTs ... come on!
@@noomade good thing he said percentage, how is freethrow percentage impacted by game physicallity
@@Michiiigring Fatigue buddy? Have you ever played organised ball?
The more beat up you are the harder it is for you to make your FTs, is this really hard to understand?
The WNBA has had more than one season where they have had a better average free throw % than the NBA... by some margin. By the mikepence's and Michiigring's logic The WNBA is way more skilful than the NBA... LMFAO
Kids forget late 90s Shaq the most unstoppable force in modern basketball. It was the equivalent of you playing on a smaller court against your younger nephews. Just domination 😂
WE DONE with the lebron-era: floppin, no D" stat paddin, play-in GAMES to help u get in the play-offs, MEDIA implants, hair implants & super-teams!💯
yipper yapper
The flop and the travel at the beginning sums it up.
Its not even an argument, look at the TV ratings
When I saw AD quit on a huge game because of a soft elbow, I started thinking of the 90s where MJ had to play through an entire series of that, even worse where the flagrant foul didn’t exist against the bad boys. This era has no heart, or grit. These players don’t care about anything except how much they get paid, and shooting 3s. Hopefully we get that old school mentality back when LeBalco retires, I’m convinced this teenage girl mentality started with him.
LeFRAUD IS ON DAT JUICE 💉
And still aint shit
@@johnjack902 😂😂
They all are. If don’t think every athlete is on steroids you’re delusional.
@@dominickbadial5980Jokic?
@@dominickbadial5980 They likely aren't on steroids. Steroids are easily detectable. If they're on PEDs, it's probably not typical steroids.
NBA has been unwatchable for me since 2011. I like competition.
Speak
I agree. NBA was so much better when Bird and Magic won almost every ring in the 80s, Jordan and Hakeem won almost every ring in the 90s, and Shaq and Duncan won almost every ring in the 2000s.
@@xylynthian753 actually it was. Those teams were the high bar and you had to get your weight up to beat them. Btw you forgot the Pistons and the Spurs lol.
@@xylynthian753warriors or lebron won almost every title from 2012 till now 😂 what’s your argument?
@@esho758 My argument is that there wasn't any competition back in the day either. Just the same 2-3 teams dominating. Unc is just complaining about nothing.
The NBA was explosive, exciting
The 90's had:
Tough players
Loyal players
No super teams
Actual defense
Diverse styles of play
Dominant Post Players
Actual pass first point guards
Players weren't jumping around from team to team every year trying to clique up with each other AAU style.
Olajuwon built with the Rockets
Ewing's Knicks
Barkley with the Suns
Robinson with the Spurs
Malone & Stockton with the Jazz
Shaq & Penny in Orlando
Reggie with the Pacers
These guys weren't conspiring with each other to take down Jordan. If they were in the modern era they would have done like LeBron and made a super team.
Lebron formed supeteams but were more often than not the one being taken down 😂😂😂
Olajuwon keeps standing the test of time. Aging like the finest wine for how he went about the business of winning.
Agreed with everything, but Shaq. He jumped ship for the Lakers at his first opportunity. Barkley played 4 seasons with the Suns after 8 years with the 76ers and he left the Suns to form a super team with the Rockets. Shaq was the only one in his prime and he didn't leave to form a super team, but simply wanted to go to the Lakers.
I think superteam forming exised in every era to a certain extent but Lebron brought it to climax with 2 prevaling top 10 players concurrently (and then repeatedly) at the most very prime age.
What made him being abhorred by even nowadays nba young fans were that he developed floping, travelling, blaming and standstill eyesight defence with stat padding by keeping the ball and pretending to be assisting the team. Ugly truth is that all his good teammates stat went down after teaming up with him.
Westbrook just exposed him because two genuine statpadder could not survive or thrive in one single team concurrently to share limited stats. They were just two stat padders.
@@cobra7282 Shaq went to Lakers for more $$ and LA itself not for competitive reasons
I liked how you included quite a few clips of Jordan going to his left. Nice.
And the 80's were even BETTER!!!
lying is a sin
One thing about how the 90s are better than the 20s is the uniforms and logos. The Utah Jazz and Houston Rockets uniforms and logos looked perfect for the 90s. Other times like the Detroit Pistons and Phoneix Suns also had awesome logos and uniforms.
The biggest question that should be raised is, how did all those players play 82 games every year in a MUCH more physical league?! Answer... HEART!
No the answer is actually that modern players played significantly more than players of the past BEFORE they came to the nba on average, so they had more milage on their body coming into the league which makes you more suseptible to injuries during your career + players in the past played hurt a lot which led to shorter careers on average lol
90s players didn’t get paid as much but they thought of the normal people who buy tickets to watch them. 2020s players are the complete opposite: overpaid to be narcissistic.
1990 - 2010 was the golden era of basketball. NBA died when Lebalco took his "talents" to South Beach
And that was no haul when your talentless
I would say 80'-05'
Just a difference of opinion but I personally I didn’t like basketball from 2000-2013 as I call the Wanna be Jordan era, the Warriors played a different brand of basketball which I found more entertaining because it didn’t feel like they were trying to be a discount version of someone else. The raptors and nuggets championship runs were also entertaining in my opinion.
You saying "talents" implys he wasn't literally the best player in the world
@@ikhoonyejelem2967 you think he was the best player in the world in 2011 with 0 championships? Getting beat by Orlando in the playoffs ? In 2011 as Kobe just went to 3 straight finals winning two of the with one other all star ave 17 points a game ? You bronsexuals are legit insane.
Gotta give my boy Zion a shoutout. He plays his way and is actually entertaining because of it. Still a disappointment with how much time he has missed and his conditioning. But when he is out there he is very good. Bro drives left every time and never shoots jumpers and still averages 25. He must be more skilled than everyone else 😂
most skilled professional eater (:
Nah, he only play 2 games a year.
for me its not even a competition..one era had me glued to my seat..one has me bored
2020’s so trash the NBA had to create a “play in” just for Bron to be able to make the dance
lakers seed 19/20 - 1 seed
lakers seed 20/21 - 7 seed (would've made even without but still had to go through the process)
lakers seed 22/23 - 7 seed (would've made even without but still had to go through the process)
Does 7th seed mean u have to be in the play in though?? 🤦♂️
@@LeGoatOnTop 23/24 - Lakers and Warriors, the most popular teams in league who have 40 nationally televised games a piece, would be irrelevant if not for play in 😂
@@Poetryinnonmotion yes that's my point, we earned the 7 seed and still had to go through the process of the play-in
@LeGoatOnTop right so by today's rules that's not a guaranteed playoff spot right??
I hate how this agenda is pushed as a “old head vs new gen” dude I’m literally born in 2001 and modern nba is so unwatchable golden era was definitely 90/2000’s
You missed out on seeing Jordan live bro. I swear to you he's an alien.
I was born in 2004 and I agree with this statement
The only thing that's better today is guys no longer shoot long 2 pointers. You can watch games from the 90s and routinely see guys shoot 20 footers when they could easily take a step back and shoot a 3.
God I hope you never stop making videos like this!!! Great points, stats, and of course common reasoning & keeping it real!!! And not being a delusional robot fan that doesn’t think for themselves and just repeat whatever espn/fox says
In 1990s you can show your emotions very often without ever being called for a technical foul.
Nuggets is the only watchable team.
I like watching them. Jokic lobs to Gordon never get old. And i like how they know to turn it up in the 4th quarter.
Yup
I don't know if I've already told you this in one of your videos but this is by far, your best analysis ever! You were able to describe and explain the reason why most of us don't like the games nowadays.
What you mentioned in terms of variance of style is why i miss the 90s. Each team had it's all star or superstar leader and the play style was different among all the different stars and the team style followed suit. I loved 3 point "heavy" players or teams back then because only the best shot that many and i loved fast paced run n gun teams because it clashed so differently with the slow it down teams. Now everyone plays the same from players to team systems.
Yes there were downsides. Coaches wanting to force it in the post to someone who probably shouldn't be getting possessions going through them or in general forcing talented guys to play only back to the basket. Yes, there were lots of big stiffs there as bodies to throw at the HOF bigs-but many to throw at Shaq. Put Shaq in todays league and the number of big stiffs would drastically go up too-i guarantee it.
Yes, there were more specialists roles(and yes you could argue many of the bigs and the specialists couldn't make a team today-fine, but getting rid of them is one of the reasons why differing team styles is all but extinct now).
So yes, i would love to see a bit more freedom for the forwards and centers to be able to face up, handle a bit more and stretch the floor a bit more. Yes, the point guards look small outside of some outliers compared to many today, but that's only because most today are just shooting guards and there's no real point guard anymore in the traditional sense back then.
I do like a bit of the positionless set up-but not for every team.
I do like 3 pt teams, but not for every team.
I do like small ball teams, but not for every team.
I do like run n gun, and i do like grind it out teams. JUST NOT EVERY fkn team.
Each different style should have a counter or clash of matchups. The "soft" jump shooting team vs the bully slow it down, grind it out team. The small ball explosive team vs the slower, but bigger and stronger team.
If i had a perfect league, it would be 60% 90s, 20% 2ks, 12% 2010s, 5% 80s. 3% 2020s
IMO the traditional point guard “general” and coach on the floor who set the tempo and the traditional power forward from back then get the most hate. They see those 90s pgs and they repeat trash like Arenas who says he and pgs today would destroy them, completely ignoring that Arenas and all these “pgs” would be a shooting guards in the 90s because in a traditional position- it’s what they are and having the ball in their hands more just leads to more assists- but doesn’t make them traditional point guards.
The tradition power forward is basically a center today. They get clowned on as unskilled and unathletic guys who couldn’t play so all they did was bully and hurt other players. “Issa complete crap!”
Almost every traditional power forward back then had a money spot up mid range shot and more advanced post play and would eat up todays Fs- many of whom are basically traditional small forwards in style( no I ain’t hating only- todays forwards would feast from the perimeter against *most of the traditional power forwards if they’re not allowed to play physically aggressive.
Anyway my point is those traditional PFs would just train to stretch the floor from a spot they’d be efficient at and they’d turn them into a boring stat player just the same. Hell, we saw Marc Gasol and Serg Ibaka go from shooting no threes to almost exclusively shooting 3s in just a summer of training. Why do you think Luc Longley or Charles Oakley wouldn’t be spotting up from 3 today? May take them a few summers to really get efficient- but they’d get there.
I would just worry all the shooting and handles techniques/training of today would continue to lead to everyone playing the same and looking the same in style and play aesthetic. So just let big Oak knock down mfers who dare to attack the rim and hit the occasional mid range post up.
centers were stifled into playing back to the basket and Olajuwon himself mentioned that he didn't want to be a traditional kind of center which is why he was so much more skilled than any other center in the 90s . That's why he was so much better because he was smart and figured out the limitations of just wanting to stay in the paint despite him being great at it . why did Olajuwon feel that it was so easy for him to dominate then? He told Kenny smith that he doesn't have to even worry about these centers?
I just don’t see the rivalries or the intensity in today’s game. Game’s were seriously intense in the 80’s-90’s. Today it feels like Disneyland basketball. Noting feels meaningful.
90s and 00s were superior
It's a lot easier to look like a great talent when you can carry, travel, and any perimeter contact draws a whistle.
Always ❤ your videos real #23 MJ is the GOAT and long live the 90's
but 1980's basketball was the GOAT era.. it was the most competitive then, along with the 70's where you never knew who was going to win each year!
yes, 70's, 80's and 90's, and for the rest even 60's were more exciting then 2000's
@@weedydays5718 I love all those decades, 60's were great too with Elgin Baylor and Earl Monroe being pretty awesome in their primes. 2000's are horrible basketball lol. Even in the 50's you had incredible players like Bob Cousy who was making difficult shots without even looking at the basket! LeBron can't even make a no look free throw 🤣
I agree, when the nugget played the celtics the nuggets had a 2 point lead with 2 minutes remaining, the celtics got the offensive rebounds of missed threes and they kept throwing the ball to the perimeter instead of doing a floater from the paint to tie the game.
And they ended losing that game as expected. Losing their 20-0 home court record.
You live by the three or you die by the three.
I’ve learned to understand that the LeBron era is all these kids know. They’ve been brainwashed by ESPN and all those dumb ass stats that ESPN creates. Respect to the very few of this generation who can actually use their brains and think for themselves. As far as this so called “debate” goes, there’s no way in hell I’m gonna argue with someone who never watched Jordan play, let alone who wasn’t even born in the 90’s.
Could say the same like 30 years from now I can just as easily say "they dont know nothing about no curry they wasn't eveh born yet when he was shooting from deep" point is the game is gonna grow at one point someone is gonna become a better shooter than curry and we aint gonna like that because we grew up with curry same how yall grew up with mj, but thats not to say Jordan has been surpassed i still think hes #1 but let's not pretend lbj hasn't gotten close. Compare the people in their respective era because we can't say who would be better in certain eras when they only been in their respective era
The 90’s are the reason the NBA has this much viewership today.
90S ALL DAMN DAY
And twice on sundays
Hell yeah
I'm so glad you showed A ton of Sonics highlights!! They need to come back.
I don't think players today actually like basketball that much. They like what it brings, fame and fortune, but they don't actually love the game. If basketball wasn't so popular, they would jump to whatever sport they felt would bring attention and money.
The key point you made that I say all the time. Teams used players to their strengths. Not everyone is a great 3 point shooter so why is everyone shooting 3 with reckless abandon?
2014 Spurs showed teams the balance between shooting 3s and dominating inside but no team has really picked up. Maybe except for Nuggets to an extent.
The 1995-1998 bulls had three point assassins who only shot threes if they were behind or teams would double Jordan or Rodman off the boards
They had a great rebounding core with Rodman, Longley and Pippen
With great assist game from Jordan, Kerr, Pippen, Brown and Worthington
That's why they were so great , they all played off each other's strengths
@@thepubknight6144 exactly & when they were open as well. They also had decent 3 point shooters earlier on as well. The idea back in the day was always to find the open man closest to the basket.
A player could close out hard on you and have his feet tangled up with yours and nothing was called. 😂
Now you can go up and know your landing space is respected. No more sprained ankles or twists.
There’s more freedom to shoot now because of that.
Stephen Curry picked LeBron James’ pockets last night. LeBron James is TURNOVER-BOY aka The ALL-TIME TURNOVER LEADER in world history aka The GREATEST LOSER of A BASKETBALL POSSESSION in NBA HISTORY.
LeBron James achieves the record he didn't want: First player in NBA history to reach 5,000 turnovers
Surpassed the 5,000 barrier against the Suns.
holy casual😂 stick to watching golf if you’re this dumb
Golden krust endorsed
AND he was crying for calls again making himself look like the QUEEN his soft ass is!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You don't have to live in the glory days of the NBA to appreciate it, these games are still amazing.
I remember that Bill Simmons regards 84-93 as the absolute peak and thinks that 94 started a dip in quality because of the league beginning more expansion.
This is your best video forsure man💯💯
As a former basketball player in high school 🏫 I can tell you the mid-range shot is more difficult to make then the 3 point shot because with the mid range you can’t shot too hard or too soft…3 pointers ..you have to shot it with force..its a lot of people who did not make it to college let along the NBA who can shot the 3 ball 🏀 with ease..I’m not impressed by it..I’m sorry
Proper analysis. Not a bunch of feelings... great video mate
I think humanity peaked in general during the 90s. I miss them so much damn near every day 😭
I'd bet my ass Stockton's way more durable than these mofos
Not draymond
Oh hell yeah!!!
16 seasons 82 games
@@fullmetal1766 missed 22 games in his 19-year career
I Agree probably most of them , ti was tough back then, even when we used to play pick up games on the court it was no joke, today is just soft the whole society is just soft
People always pull the worst Jordan clips. Like game one of the 91 finals. Like.... How about the 91 eastern finals... See Jordan get punched in the face every time he goes into the paint. But still drops 40
I miss lockdown defense. That clip at 9:45 is a good example. Harden just gets locked down after trying a few moves. I rarely see that kind of defense. Partially because players just don't want to play it, and partially because they aren't given the opportunity since it's always a pass/shoot fest before it can even happen. Nothing gets me more hyped now than in crunch time when someone plays lockdown defense on someone that leads to a miss or steal or something that swings the momentum. While it wasn't the 90's, as a Bulls fan, I miss when we had Deng. He just played lockdown D all the time. I just watched him regardless of who else was on the court. I just love defensive effort and the payoff/hype that comes from it.
I was born in the 90's but I know what is good basketball and what isn't. It has nothing to do with generational bias, today's game is just a bad product. They say that the players today are so much more skilled, and yet their "goat" has built his entire career on bulldozing through people and now you have the league where fundamental basketball rules don't exist anymore. This idea that everything evolves with time is just a lazy argument. Some things get better with time, some get worse.
Lebron is not from this era he was drafted in 03 kid that was over two decades
@@ryanr20091Got his roid melon all over it.
I do not watch basketball, so I have to ask:
-- more skilled today?
Does that mean launching more 3's? That is a skill some may have, but I would not call it majority.
-- more athletic?
How is that shown? 3 pointers are skill, so super athlete not needed.
-- dribbling is a skill
There is so much traveling and carrying, so dribbling is limited. Dribbling well rarely exists today.
-- load management
This allegedly more athleticism requires more rest? In the day and age of knowledge, load management requirements should be less. Diet, exercise, sleep are big factors in health and fitness.
I will not even put skates on the players, but inquire how many players today can run the court back and forth five times without requiring a serious rest? No cardio workout? Look at my bug muscles, but they solely work standing still and with much rest.
-- Why are there so many air balks today? Are there depth perception issues with the players? Even still there should be some kind of memory on distance and location of the rim.
Likely more, but cannot remember.
Whatever the sport, whatever the day, athletes adapt themselves according...for the majority. It is beyond difficult to compare one person to another.
You can be an athlete, a plumber, a stay at home mom or an Indian Chief, but we all have pros and cons.
there were even more airballs in the 80s and 90s…😊
The average player is much more skilled than the average player from 3 decades ago, it's just the game evolving. Superstars would do well in todays league, just like superstars today would do well in the league 3 decades ago. (Given time to adapt of course)
The Average player today would probably be more athletic than the average player 30 years ago, better technology, better understanding on how to improve athleticism, more people scouted to become professionals, etc.
Dribbling requires more skill than dribbling 30 years ago (Just like 90's players were better at dribbling than 60's/70's players) People broke rules ALL the time in the 90s, traveling and carrying just became one of those rules you could get away with breaking.
The average NBA player is a better Athlete than 30 years ago, but people who understand how the human body works (Professionals, not people who watch the NBA at home on their couch) know that it is NOT a good idea to play 40 minutes a game 82+ games a season, unless you want to be injured frequently. It just puts way too much stress on the body. We knew much less about the stress the body went through in an NBA game 40 years ago, and load management makes it so you're not having your teams star player on a 50m/year contract injured every other year. Conditioning in todays NBA is wild, just look at Curry, that guy can run around the court for 40 minutes full speed without rest and not be gassed, but it would put loads of stress on his body.
I doubt there is a concrete stat on the number of air balls per season, but I would assume there was more 40 years ago than in todays NBA. But the internet exists, Those clips WILL be shared and seen by many more people than air balls 40 years ago.
Kobe played some of both of the 2020s players and 90s players, crazy how he dropped 81 points two years after hand checking was banned.
Absolutely spot on.
Im three words - SUBSTANCE and SOUL
They not better at dribbling today. 🤣
Cupcake era lmaoooo playing defense is too hard and having tough competition is too hard 😂😂😂 we wanna be divas and join forces and have fashion shows pre game
💥 In the 80's & 90's the players MADE each other better by playing tough DEFENSE and not giving up NOTHING!
You had to TAKE it!!!💪🏿
They don't push each other today to be great!
💥TOO S.O.F.T.💥
And these people got to say something about today's players like they're more skilled they're more athletic. They got to do something to try to get people to buy in because these people are also making 10 times more money then they've ever made. And that's sad they're making way more money and nobody's really watching like they used to
It's funny how when you mentioned the team styles of the 90's, every player you mentioned had a team offense. But when you got to the Rockets, it was basically "Olajuwon's Rockets with him on the post" lol just goes to show that Olajuwon accomplished more with less help than anybody in NBA history
I dunno, those two Rockets teams tht won in 94-95 were talented especially after they got Clyde. I think Dirk winning in 11 was the most impressive doing more with less
@@tdup191 yeah you don't know. Ortiz Thorpe was the only player on those rosters to ever even make an all star team and he was just an injury replacement. Cassell was a rookie and Horry was in his second season. Rudy T was a second year head coach, Mario Ellie was in his 3rd season in the NBA and was playing in Italy before that, Carl Herrera and Scotty Brooks came off the bench and in the playoffs the Rockets had to sign a guy named Chris Jent who only played 27 NBA games his entire life... They all have a ring because of Olajuwon
@@tdup191 Dirk had Jason Kidd one of the greatest PG's of all time and the Mavs winning that Finals had more to do with LeBron choking and disappearing than anything Dirk did. Wade would've made that series a sweep for the Heat if LeBron didn't choke
That’s not true though, they had a lot of underrated good role players who played off Hakeem like Clyde and The Jet which allowed him to play 1 on 1 in the post and find them for shots.
@@mrsky67 SMH Drexler didn't join the Rockets until February of 95' and the Rockets had a losing record with Clyde. The jet?! SMH so basically you didn't watch that series and don't know anything... Kenny Smith and Cassell combined avg 15ppg.. Derek Harper was the Knicks 3rd leading scorer avg 16ppg by himself. Olajuwon's next leading scorer in the Finals was Maxwell with 13ppg on 36% FG!
I agree the '90's is the best era of the NBA ❤❤❤❤
80'-05' Was the best 25 years of Basketball for me and when the league was at its best.
This guy is a certified lebron hater😂
Get off that man’s nuts, dude mention a bunch of todays player and all you heard was Lebron
They have nothing to say because they weren't even watching or were alive in the 90's their credibility is shot. They have no opinion worthwhile to even listen to. Today's game: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz It's like comparing the Big 12 to SEC in football. SEC tears up the Big 12 everytime because Big 12 is weak in defense with tons of offense, while the SEC is strong in defense. It would relate the same way to 90's basketball to 20's basketball SEC is much more competitive and more fun to watch and 90's basketball was too and defense always wins championships every time.
4:47 This is what I've been saying for a while..especially when teams face the warriors these days..all of a sudden everyone wants to outshoot them from 3😂
The 90's was the golden era for not just basketball, but for everything! Tv shows, movies, clothes, music, sports, people, everything was better
I think what people don't get, is that great offense has always beaten out great defense, and always will. But what happens, when you can only be a great defender in the modern NBA if you're athletic and have an above average wingspan for your position, and no matter how fundamentally sound you're on defense, you're going to get smoked, since there's so many restraints on what you can do as a defender?
I can't tell you how often I see players going for layups, practically shoving or holding the hand of defenders, and if the defenders show the littlest of resistance, they get called for a foul. The fact is 90's ball, ALLOWED players to go as hard on offense as they could go on defense, if they had the will and the energy to do so. Simple fact is the defenders in the modern NBA are handicapped, not by their skillset, but by the rules.
maybe in the 2000 plus era, but not before. b4 it was the other way around. so dont write always because its bs.
sorry
Im done with the 2020's.
young goat...salute🐐🐐🐐
Very great video. Articulated, Supported, concise. It’s like I read a grade A paper.
Today’s basketball is a reflection of society. Soft and selfish.
It truly is unwatchable.
They had habits like drugs and gambling, they needs to play every game