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Doctor Who: The Power Of The Doctor Review (Ups & Downs)
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- čas přidán 23. 10. 2022
- The Power of the Doctor has fan service galore, but does it send the Thirteenth Doctor out on a high?
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All together now… WHAT?! 😮
What was your reaction when Tennant appeared? Happy crying plus yelling? Us too!
I was not expecting it to happen at all! I knew David Tennant would return for the anniversary, but I did not think he would actually be the current Doctor.
i predicted if he returned he would say something about teeth and say 'what..?!' three times 😭
Disappointing ending
Very Excited 😁😁😁
Some ideas for a better name than Super Up: Gallifrey Up or TARDIS Up.
I liked the episode, but wanted more of the Doctor's Timeless Child's/Fugitive Doctor's history. The return of David Tennant was cool and makes some sense considering the whole forced regeneration/degeneration.
The scenes with Tegan and Ace and their doctors was amazing. Sylvester's delivery of "we're ace". Was the best thing ever.
totally agree! it was awesome!
It was so cool seeing so many past doctors. Also hearing old lines was...fantastic... as well
Was perfect
Even Adric was mentioned!
gotta loved when ace beat up the Dalek with a bat that was so good i didn't care if it didn't make sense the fact that it happened was amazing
One thing I haven't seen anyone comment on, in these first-day reviews, are Tennant's first words after the regeneration. See, when he first regenerated out of Eccleston, his first comment was "New teeth! That's weird!" Whereas, he did the same little maneuver of running his tongue inside his teeth this time, but instead said "I know these teeth." Incredibly subtle touch!
I noticed that instantly and knew he was going to say something like that as soon as he did the licking his teeth action, it was brilliant
"I know these teeth, so where was I? Oh that's right, Barcelona"
I haven't watched it yet. Did he say anything about still not being ginger?
It's not subtle tho, everyone knows that reference
"I still don't like the colour of this kidney" would be capaldis
For me the greatest moment was Ace and Sylvester - I always felt bad at how they essentially fell out, and that on into the New Adventures novels their relationship became fractious and difficult. Seeing them together, on screen, and knowing their relationship is, and forever will be, "ACE!" was just wonderful. I am so happy to have lived to see that!
Yep hard agree, they were my Tardis team (as in they were on telly when I was 8) and it was so beautiful to see them together again
@@stuartforbes6022 They were mine, too! 😊
I'd love a session where the doctor is missing for the first 2 episodes and the ex companions need to unravel a globe spanning plot to figure it out. A bit like new who season 1. Where someone is pricing together historical photos just to figure out what the doctor looks like.
I swear I wasn't tearing up at that. I swear.
I loved this pairing also. Sylvester brought a great change of character to the doctor. Ace was great.
People have these crazy theories of why that face again, and it’s this simple.
She met two companions from the past. Thousands of years ago for her. After she degenerated from the Master, she was wearing old pieces of clothing from her past. She met some old faces at the cliff. This was a nostalgia trip for us viewers. But it was for the Doctor too.
Just as 10 was born from 9’s love, 11 born from 10’s loneliness, 12 born from 11’s hope, and 13 born from 12’s kindness, 14 is born from her NOSTALGIA. An old face that wanted more time too. That never quite got to be at peace.
A beautiful way to put it and they all come from the same part of the heart almost
i stumbled upon a really good theory that the reason why jodie regenerated back into ten (and somehow regenerated into a new pair of clothes) is the doing of the celestial toymaker, after looking into donna's mind and only seeing ten in her 'blocked off' memory of her adventures, pretty plausible considering the celestial toymaker is basically a god
Well, he didn't want to go!
@@spadesofpaintstudios1719 Hearts. HeartS.
@@Neil070 yes yes my mistake
This was Chibnall's greatest episode and it was really good for the fans. But in typical Chibnall fashion, the plot had many holes and relied on nonsensical solutions to save the world. It felt a bit jumbled but it was a good episode.
I'd say Fugitive of the Judoon is still his strongest and even then it was co-written lol
Power of Three is probably his best, and that's just cuz 11 is doing 11 things. Which is awesome to just watch unfold.
Yes, he has a bad habit of throwing WAY too many plotlines into an episode, and then has to rush to resolve everything (and usually not in a particularly logical way at that) but this episode was highly enjoyable and really a wonderful way for his (and Jodie's) tenure to end. They were both able to go out on a high, which was very gratifying to see following the uneven nature of their run.
@@theperson8539 Power of Three isnt good...
@@TimeMasterOG I didn't say it was good, all I said was that watching 11 do 11 things was great!
Hadn't thought about Rory's Dad. Went through all of the NuWho companions and there seemeed good reasons why they weren't there - Martha and Mickey (and yes, I know, other reasons why he was never going to be there) are still in the life in a very real way. They aren't travelling with the Doctor, but they're right in the mix defending the Earth in an official capacity.
The actress who played Martha just left New Amsterdam, so maybe she will come back.
It would have been great to see Rory's dad!
From a real life perspective, I felt the centenary choosing to honour the classic era so heavily was so lovely
Osgood would have been the perfect choice as a NuWho companion. She could have come sliding in right before Graham started to talking with a nod to Kate as if Kate had deployed her to some other facility than UNIT HQ.
@@lauraredenbaugh2440but if they would have done that, it would suggest that we will never see the two Osgoods again. Because, you know, "PAST companions"?
I want more episodes with Osgood!
“I know these teeth!!” David Tennant was on screen for around 30 seconds. In that time he once again proved why he was & still is the best doctor. 😎
He's a Shakespearan actor and I reckon he'll get a knighthood one day, for drama, because he's so brilliant an actor.
He is really not the greatest doctor, that accolade goes to Tom Baker , the tennant era was a chick flick, not doctor who at all for the most part , he even created a clone so he could still be in love with rose , fuck off new who
Him and Matt Smith. The Goats!
Sacha's performance as the master was phenomenal in this episode, best performance he has done to this date.
Absolutely. When he first enters the TARDIS and starts screaming at Yaz about how he's the Doctor now, I got chills. Fantastic performance and I hope he returns as the Master, he was made for that role.
Sacha does play a very good maniac.
I'm a bit old fashioned and have a preference for Roger Delgado and Anthony Ainleys versions of The Master, cold, calculating, clever and much better at the character
I thought it was amazing too. I read a comment on another channel where someone said it was horrible and that he cant act and it was cringeworthy. I was like what are you talking about. They went so far as to say they had to stop multiple times because they couldn’t take it. I have no idea what that person was talking about.
I like John Simms and this very much reminded me of him as she mentioned. I loved it.
I will be accused of recency bias here but he was as good a master as we have EVER had. The best masters always ride that line between genius and maniacal. He was genuinely threatening whilst being hilarious - if you're not careful that could lead to people rooting for him, but he manages to be so evil that you still want him to lose. People look at past masters through rose tinted spectacles - every single one has been in the odd clunker of an episode which could tarnish a legacy (Time-Flight, anyone?). That being said, with the material he had, Sacha Dhawan deserves his place amongst the greatest Masters/Missies.
Honestly David Tennant's "what?" Perfectly encapsulated my reaction
Seeing 97-year-old Willam Russell...that was powerful stuff
Yes - the Ra-Ra-Rasputin dancing was such a wonderful throwback to the John Simm Master dancing -- I immediately felt the through-line/continuity of the character! That was a great moment in the episode. John Simm, Derek Jacobi, Michelle Gomez and Sacha Dhawan all have been perfection. New Who has been blessed by amazing Masters/Missies!.
Thanks for a wonderful review! I can't wait to see what's next. Or should I say "What? What!? What?!?'s next?"
I believe Ncuti is stuck in limbo like the other classic Doctor Who. So Tennant was in Limbo and Ncuti is stuck a bit like the waiting room in Quantum Leap. I think that the 3 specials he will learn why he looks like 10. Finally swap back. Like to see Tegan and Ace in a spin off. Also Katy Manning maybe like SJA.
Very VERY hood way to explain it!
My personal theory is that since 10 didn't want to regenerate in the first place, he's been trying to escape regeneration limbo and only managed to get his chance when 13 regenerated. The next few specials will see 10 trying to bring meaningful closure to his own life and learn to move on so that Gatwa can have his chance as The Doctor, a sort of allegory for Russell coming to terms with how bitter The End of Time finished
I can see Smith being in an episode.
When trying to figure out why he’s got this face he could follow Smith’s Doctor on an adventure cuz his doctor came after Tennant but his life was for filled where as Tennant’s wasn’t.
Fulfilled.
Yes!! That's what I thought as well. And based on the preview, when Ncuti's Doctor says, "someone tell me what the hell is going on here" - it looks, based on the background to be in the same Limbo place that the other Doctors are.
Brave heart tegan 😭😭 seeing the fifth doctor call her brave heart and the 7th doctor talking to ace and ace calling him professor again
Certainly brought a tear to my eye. Really great to see Ace belt the Daleks
It was so cool to see a regeneration outside of the TARDIS so it doesn’t get destroyed all over again also making me respect it like it took in all that energy
The Doctor appears to have finally learned that lesson
It’s going to take me a while to get my head around the fact I essentially watched a 9 Doctor special with Doctors 1, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 13, Doctor Master & Fugitive Doctor
Yeah, I have to think this episode is the new record for most iterations of the doctor in a single episode. (real live appearances, not just pictures)
The nine Doctor special is a first. One slight correction, 10 wasn't in the episode and you left out 14.
Thinking of Rory's dad always bring me to tears. That story boarded scene narrated by Rory that's on CZcams broke me.
I think that P.S. is probably Chibnall's strongest writing for Doctor Who!
They should’ve had Rory AND his son show up and make that canon! That would’ve been perfect
@@SEXYCBO Rory is dead in 2022. He died of old age in the past.
@@DavidHHH99 I know he did. I'm saying his dad and his SON he and Amy adopted could have showed up. That wouldve been awesome
@@DavidHHH99 And I meant to say Rory's Dad. Not Rory. My bad.
Loved this episode, thought it was much more confident than the other Chibnall Era episodes, also thought it was surprising that Chibnall managed to tie up all the plot points in an episode, and obviously DT and the 60th; still concerned my first thought after the episode was, “when’s the ups and downs”
He didn’t tie them up? The Timeless Child was his major arc, it wasn’t even mentioned?
@@BeckyBookClubMain that and what happened to the version of the Master that was at Unit
@@BBK113 He was released by the Cybermen when they invaded unit
@@BeckyBookClubMain no as in all the plot points in this one episode, because in a lot of his episodes he leaves loose threads, and things aren’t explained, but I’m this episode everything he brought to the table was eventually accounted for and explained
Tbf he tied up none, but yeah I loved the episode too
13’s last line, “Doctor whoever I’m going to be, tag you’re it” was absolutely brilliant and felt very 13.
Totally agree. It summed up her personality perfectly. Don't forget "I just want to see what's next!"
No up for William freaking Russell? 57 years since his last appearance and making his return at 97 years old!
Ok so my view is that this episode was more generous to previous incarnations and companions than to the current last ones. There was some weird shit going on, Rasputin and now I'll have THAT song in my head for days! However...the end was near-perfection. Lovely exit for Jodie and WHAT a re-entrance for number ten. I gotta admit. I cried.....other than that...basically everything Ellie says! Can't wait...
Cause it was fan fiction
Can confirm having that song stuck in my head since Sunday.
@@vasyear Yep. Chibnall, RTD and Moffat are all long-time fans of the show, and it is indeed fiction.
@@irrevenant3 RTD (i believe he wrote a few scripts for DR. Who in the 80's) and Moffat did a few things in the 90's but they made the show good but Chibers he destoryed it JNT didn't do it as bad
@@vasyear It's a shame he destroyed the show. I'll try to keep that in mind as I enjoy watching the show over the next few years. :P
My only problem is that in the teaser, Ncuti's clothes is technically the one's that David's wearing, so maybe... and I'm overthinking about this a bit, we will not see Ncuti in Jodie's outfits, which makes me sad. Cause in a sense, the tradition of wearing the previous clothes is not passed on. Hey, I might be wrong though.
Also, I like how I'm more mad because of the outfit transition XD
He will be wearing the previous doctor’s clothes. He’s the 15th wearing the 14th.
But is tennent de 14th? When he regenerate himself as himself he didn’t became the 11th. Maybe he will be back as 10th.
Also sad about the missing iconography between 13th and 14th aka jodie=> ncuti
@@joseanemaria he had put the reserve regeneration energy into his hand remember? If that hadn’t been there, he would’ve fully regenerated.
And yeah, RTD confirmed that Tennant is 14 and Ncuti is 15.
@@Spacecowboy448 if I look carefully at the trailer it shows what look likes tenants tie some that is most likely post regeneration, let’s hope next year the tennant gatwa regeneration is alot better than what we saw
Last night and tenant like Whittaker this time goes out gracefully
Absolutely no mention of Jo Martin returning as a hologram of the Fugitive Doctor? I think that deserved an Up.
The only good thing about it was seeing old companions, seeing Jodie go and seeing David come back 😂
The scene of the companions all gathered, there was one empty chair, and my headcanon is that was set there for Liz Sladen/Sarah Jane, since of all the companions, she interacted with the most versions of the Doctor. (Those being 1, 2 and 5 in the 5 Doctors, 3-4 she was the companion of, 10 she met in Doctor Who as well as SJA, and 11 she met in SJA.)
Bringing non-canon in, The Brig is close to that number…so it could’ve been for him as well (1 in The 5 Doctors, 2-5 he worked with, 6 he was on screen with in the non-canon 30th anniversary, and 7 in Battlefield. If you bring in the Cyber-Brig and 12, that ties him with Sarah Jane, but as that wasn’t Nicolas Courtney…I don’t count it.)
Note: Those numbers above are only on screen and do not include audio or comic/books, so if those numbers are different than what you thought, that is why.
That's a pretty nice way to think of it. Perhaps the chair is also just too represent all of the missing companions.
Perhaps they could get Luke Smith to be part of the group, as a way of representing his late mother?
No it's Wilfred who isn't there because he's busy with the doctor in the specials.
If you look closer, there is a laptop open on the chair seat.
if you count big finish, the brig has met and worked with TEN doctors, 11 if you count cyber brig, nine of them Nicholas Courtney, no one but River song can match this.Shes worked with ten of them as well. 8 of them the actual actors. On screen the brig has dealt with all 7 classic doctors, and if you count cyber brig, 12th, on big finish 6,8 9 10
I did like The Master/Rasputin thing. It fit. He looked the part for sure, and it would, at least in a historical context, help explain why they went to such lengths to kill Rasputin and kept failing at it. He wasn't human, he was a Time Lord. And his historical attributed behaviors really meshed with the Master character. It fit. Chibnall had a Moffat moment. It worked for me.
I misread one part of your comment as "he looked fit." 😅
I was thinking the same thing.
The character of Dan did get wasted, but somehow still had more of a story arc and character development in a handful of episodes than Yaz got in the entire Whittaker run.
One thing I didn’t like was when Kate locked down the building the Cybermen were still able to shoot through the windows at Ace.
It was fine
That just means cyberweaponry trumps UNIT containment technology. Which, given their relative tech levels, seems plausible.
I think you should say Sonic Up and Dalek Down.
I loved the episode. I do think the story is a bit thin without all the cameos. I did love see them though. Completely unexpected. I do like that Ace and Tegan were essential to the plot. I did think both Dan and Vinder was wasted both here and in “Flux.” I didn’t love the writing for Thirteen’s era but I find myself mourning her loss/death, the same way I did with Ten-Twelve. I do love that the title “Power of the Doctor” means something. I think “Stolen Earth”/”Journey Home” did it a little better because they didn’t have to spell it out in the episode title. But I love that the “Power of the Doctor” is that they’ve effected people and influenced people and that those people will always be there to help. And Kate finally got to see the inside of the TARDIS. I love Thirteen’s last words of “tag - you’re it” And I love that the new Doctor’s first words are "I know these teeth." It's the perfect first words. The regeneration into Ten has to be because of the forced regeneration and then the degeneration. So I don’t think its permeant because the clothes changed and the clothes never change. And we see Ncuti wearing Ten’s clothes in the trailer. I love that he is using his real accent and I hope he doesn’t keep the mustache. It doesn’t work.
It would be a good idea if the group of Doctor companions are seen meeting again, with more characters and perhaps in possessions of a diary, by a no longer alive companion.
As in, Sarah Jane Smith's diary?
Actually, for that matter Luke Smith would make a good addition to the companions meeting, as would Rani Chandra or Clyde Langer.
I was wondering if Victoria, a companion of the second Doctor, wrote about her travels after he left her, to start a new life in the twentieth century.
I get the sense there is a spin off being touted once again. Would not complain
1:35 The Child in the box was the Qurunx used to power the Deth-star-like cyber-planet. It used a perception filter to make you see it as the thing you would like to protect the most. The doctor said that when they got to the death-star-planet thing.
4:25 I loved the Master-Rasputin thing
11:58 The Chibnall era was SO bad they literally had to bring Ten(nant) back to bump the show up again before moving on
I think the clothes changing for the regeneration scene may be driven by practical things - Tennant is 6'1'' whereas Whittaker is 5'5'', so, if as usually happens, the clothes remained the same, it would have looked a bit silly with Tennant in Whittaker's costume. When Davidson regenerated into Baker, Davidson's cricket themed costume looked a bit tight on Baker. Going back to the very first regeneration scene when the first Doctor regenerated, the second Doctor's clothes also changed (apart from the first Doctor's cape, which fell off to reveal his costume, minus his coat). Also, when Tom Baker regenerated into Peter Davidson, Baker's trademark boots changed into shoes for Davidson (although this may have been a continuity oversight).
Doctor who is a funded by a multi-billion dollar company. I'm sure it was possible to have Whittaker's clothes fit Tennant.
@@centralrnrockets3500 I am sure they could - although, it would be pretty obvious so, they may as well have just replaced the Doctor's clothes all together.
I'd say that regenerating clothes is an indication that it's a trick of some kind and that's why we only have Tennant for a few episodes.
I would have been happy with a new 3-4 year run of Tennant to get the show back on its feet but at this point I will take whatever I can get.
Before watching your take:
So having watched Power of the Doctor, Jodie Whittaker's final episode, I have to ask; why did it take Chris Chibnall so long to tell a complex multifaceted story, and give it a satisfying conclusion? Why did we have to wait until the final episode to have Jodie's Doctor acting like the Doctor?
As is typical for Chibnall's writing, he had a lot of ideas here. The Master! Daleks! Cyber men (Masters?)! Teegan's back, and Ace! UNIT's here too (though not for long eh?)! Why not bring back Vinder while we're at it?
It all had the potential to be very messy. But it wasn't. By and large. It wasn't flawless; Vinder ends up in 1916 with little to no explanation ( would have been better have Yaz pick him up in the TARDIS), but all the threads eventually weaved into a cohesive whole. The plot worked, and the pacing was a good. When the the Doctor triumphs, it's because she outmaneuvers the master, laying the ground work before she even goes to confront him and, though in the end there was a little dumb luck, they win by using the Enemy's strength against them. All of it layered with generous helpings of nostalgia. But it's in this nostalgia that few flaws are exposed. Teegan and Ace were amazing, and their scene do a great job of capturing their personalities, and provide closure for both. The scenes of the two of them interacting with their versions of the Doctor really sang, and nailing the two Doctor's personalities. They were beautiful little scenes which really hit an emotional beat.
And here lies the problem. I felt more emotion for them than I did for Jodie and Yaz. This should have been her Swan song, but instead it felt flat. The Ace and Teegan scenes worked because of their established relationships. Yaz and thirteen had only just started, 5 years in. Amongst this Doctor's final words were; "I wish I could see what comes next." With Russel T Davies' return right around the corner, l wish she could too.
7/10
P.S. 90% certain we had the Master Rasputin purely so that we could have them dancing to Bonie M, and I think I'm OK with that.
The master always has sons groovy tunes
A few things: are we now shipping Ace and Graham? There seemed to be a spark there…
What happened to Tegan after she lost her grip, and fell down the shaft? She screams, we cut away to something else, then we come back, and she just walks into the control room, apparently unharmed. Oh wait! I know! “I’ll explain later.” :)
And, finally, where did the Daleks go? In the scene where 13 is still inside the Dalek shell, and the Master is, well, being the Master… we see them surrounded by Cybermasters and Daleks. A Dalek and a Cybermaster even exchange confused looks, when the Master starts dancing to Rasputin. But in the scenes immediately following this, the Daleks are gone, and there appear to be extra Cybermasters in their places. This is before we the group of Daleks teleport out, to complete their volcano plan. They are just gone!
Why did Graham show up, out of the blue, at the volcano? I’ll explain later… :)
Why did they still destroy UNIT HQ? The Cyberman were defeated prior to that. All those UNIT personnel were unceremoniously killed. I hope the Osgoods weren’t home at the time.
I hope some of the things from this episode are signs of things to come. RTD apparently wants to create several spin-offs. A UNIT show, perhaps? Which might also feature the Doctor’s secret army (former companions) either as a part of UNIT, with their own show? The return of Elton, joining them? :) Shows devoted to the Doctor’s foes, such as the Daleks, and the Cybermen, starting from either the reinforcement of their alliance from this episode, or its dissolution? Personally, I would love to see a mini-series on the Time War, and catch up with whatever Susan is up to, these days.
I recently saw that they did ask Tom Baker to reprise his role for this special, but he turned them down, presumably due to his age. I think this is a bit of a cop out. If William Russell could put in a cameo, at the age of 97, you would think Tom Baker could make the effort, at a younger, spry, 88… :) it saddens me that we didn’t get to see Tom again, in what may well be the last chance to see him reprise the role one more time. Hopefully, he will pop up in one of the three 60th anniversary specials.
The one thing that was missing for me, was Elisabeth Sladen. We were lucky enough to get a few seasons of the Sarah Jane Adventures, before her untimely passing, as well as in a couple of episodes of NuWho. She was a huge character in the show, but was not even referenced in this story. I hope her character is acknowledged in the upcoming specials.
Cheers,
To me, Yaz’s exit was phenomenally nuanced. She saw her future in Ace and Tegan, and she didn’t want that.
I agree. There was heartbreak, recognition, and resignation. I really felt for Yaz here.
Cant help by feel like the clothes regenerating as well is something, I couldnt help but notice that Ncuti in his snippet is wearing the exact same shirt and tie david is wearing just undone.This kinda makes me feel the snippet of Ncuti is just after David has regenerated into him, and Fixed whatever is going on.
It wouldn't be the first time that some clothes regenerated with a Time Lord. It happens and can happen. Just not often with the Doctor, but he sucks at regeneration.
At the end of season 12, right after the Doctor has handed the psychic paper to Graham and Ryan, they talk about some mysterious incident, implying those two will now start their own investigations into paranormal events. That's why it made perfect sense to me, that Graham showed up at the volcano.
A down - probably the last time we will see Ian Chesterton. William Russell is 98 years old! Definitely the oldest actor to appear on Doctor Who and possibly on BBC TV in a drama.
Still trying to wrap my head around the fact that Yaz, Graham and Dan have all met Ian Chesterton in-universe.
Honestly, Sacha Dhawan's Master is probably my favourite.
He perfectly portrays everything I think the Master should be: gleefully psychotic, yet somehow you warm to him; a little frightening, but not necessarily in a bad way; knows the Doctor perfectly, and has a roaring hatred inside, as well as being a sort of polar opposite for the Doctor; and being a master (pun intended) at making devious plans.
He's good... but nobody else will ever be Roger Delgado good.
“Doctor Who… It just makes me so happy!”
Yes. Yes it does. The emotion in Ellie’s voice when she said that reflects my feelings exactly - and I’ve been feeling this since the mid 70’s.
The show is not always perfect but in my eyes the show has given me so much and, to be fair, these fan stories, okay they can lose the casual viewer, they give so much. Oh, to see Ian again! Thank you!!
Doctor Who: it just makes me so happy.
I'm glad old Ian Chesterton made an appearance
Did anyone notice the Star Trek references in this episode? They were too specific to be coincidental. The Doctor and Yaz touching hands while separated by glass(STII), a device that could freeze volcanic eruptions(ST Into Darkness), and the clincher of the cyber moon's implosion which is a near perfect recreation of Vulcan's destruction in ST 2009 complete with the Tardis racing away exactly as the Enterprise did
The train part was actually a threefold purpose 1) to enable Dan's exit 2) to pay homage to her very first episode 3) most important to bring in the little girl who the master would later use as an energy source to power the cyber planet and 4) a bluff to make people think the child was the timeless child and if it got leaked would seem like that was where the episode was going when in reality it was a totally different direction.
Graham being in the volcano wasn't really that unexpected, when he and Ryan left they said they were going to be the equivalent of the home guard for Earth and investigate phenomena on the planet.
There was a very small and very subtle in my view reference to the Timeless Child and fan theories with Vinder and his arrival and departure,
other than his obvious wild card against the Master a companion who will shoot him and did.
Great episode and a solid end for Jodie. Loved the guest cameos from who’s past and the surprise ones in the who companions anonymous meeting. And that tennant return was fab. Looking forward the his appearances next year.
I'm afraid Jodie deserved a better send-off then this messy writing, this episode was a lot of fun because of the cameo's but the plot was all-over the place.
Definitely more ups than downs for me:
-The scene in The Doctor's psyche with the other Doctors (A good way to get them in, but not distract from the story)
-Tegan and Ace getting a chance to talk to their respective Doctors
-The companion meeting group at the end. WITH WILLIAM RUSSELL! OMG!
-Kate getting into the TARDIS finally
-The Journey's End console scene recreation
-The hilarious reaction of the Dalek and Cyberman during the Rasputin song
For me, this was a good finale.
I would have like to have seen one other (well... many others came to mind...) companion, a child, Alfie Owens, better known as "Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All."
As always, thank you so very much for the video.
And I would've liked to have seen Sean Pertwee standing in for his dad.
I was pleasantly surprised by how good an ending it was for 13. In typical Chibnall fashion it was a bit messy and didn't make a lot of sense, but it was still easily one of his strongest stories - it was genuinely _exciting_ which has always been one of his weakest points.
I also think the ep did a pretty great job of actually earning all of its fan-service; when I first saw Ace and Tegan in the teaser I thought it looked a bit desperate, but I actually really enjoyed their inclusion and it felt like Chibbers actually wanted to add something to the recurring theme of "forgotten companions". On that note, I loved the support group at the end (my jaw dropped when I saw William Russell - 97 years old!), although I would've liked a little more closure for Graham in particular because I'm _still_ salty about the whole "awkward cancer chat" thing from S12
The clothes I believe are part of the celestial toymakers interference
Yup, that's what I thought as well~
I disliked the fan service in this episode. It would have been good if it had been earned. But Chibnall's run has not been well received by fans being mostly boring and forgettable, prioritising messages over story and characterisation, and messing with continuity. If Chibnall's run had been better, I would be cheering for the return of two of my favourite companions. As it was, I couldn't help but think they were only there to mask poor storytelling.
I can understand that. I would go one further and say they were there for him to try and make himself look better to fans because he made so many enemies in his run. I think he was looking for a way to satisfy the fans after all the backlash over the timeless children.
Yes........... If there are ever any Doctor Who stories that are written well and acted well and put together well. It is all just a "plot" to make up for all the crap that has been done over 60 years. It is all a sinister plot to redeem the irredeemable. Thanks for pointing that out.
Fun fact: When Troughton regenerated from Hartnell he was already wearing the second Doctor's clothes, all he changed was the coat, I doubt this is a similar case with Tennant here, but it could be reference to that, who knows?
huge down for me no mention of Sarah jane. would have loved it if there was a moment at the end when they talked about Sarah. we know from the Farewell Sarah Jane webisode that Ace took over as K9's Mistress. it just would have been nice to see a little reference (other than the Croyden close enough joke) maybe a cameo from luke/clyde/rarni/maria
It wasn't just a joke tho. Sarah Janes home town was Croydon, by dropping them all off there and having the companions meeting there they were paying homage and including Sarah Jane
The only modern companion that could have been a part of this was Martha and Wilf, maybe they said no.
Graham turning up in the volcano made perfect sense to me because as part of his departure he said he was going to go around investigating alien phenomena with his psychic paper.
We’ll be seeing Wilf very soon
The actor is dead
@@Patrick-ex4rg he wasn't at the time
@@Patrick-ex4rg At the time of filming wilf still very alive. He even show up in 60th
I kinda expected Wilf to be there. That could also have been the introduction of Rose Temple-Noble.
I’m glad both David and Russel are back, we might be on Theseus’ sinking ship at the moment but they can both patch it up and add the soul back to it
How did Tegan survive falling down the shaft to basement? One scene we see her getting shot at by the Cybermen and she falls down a shaft that you can't see the bottom of, then next time she's in the basement talking to the Doctor hologram.
I think David Tennant doctor stayed in limbo cause he really didn't want to go, so he never really did
I really loved this episode, especially that it felt like a lovely little tribute to classic Who (at least I assume that's why the majority of the cameos were pre-reboot), especially that Colin Baker...who lets face would have legitimate reasons to be done with Doctor Who...got to actually appear in the show again (I love the skit he was part of for the 50th but it's not really the same thing). Also that Teagan and Ace got to have reunions...of sorts...with their Doctors. Sure that Companions Anonymous (probably not the name but I'm calling it that anyway lol) was fan service, but it's the kind of fan service I'll let slide.
I'm gonna be honest, I'm...I feel like one of the few not massively hyped for another go with Tennant. I feel more positive about it after seeing the trailer (cos it actually feels like they're going to address it rather than just wave away why 10 is back for the sake of fanservice) but...I'm gonna be honest it feels a bit gimmicky and I don't 100% trust RTD to get it right.
Before the fanboys/girls come after me I'm prepared to be proven wrong. I *want* RTD to prove me wrong, and even if I didn't feel a little more confidence after last night I'd still watch just for evil Neil Patrick Harris lol
I totally thought the same at first glance that the guy in the top hat was an evil Neil Patrick Harris.
I could be totally wrong, but zoom in on it. I could SWEAR - it's Matt Smith.
@@sciencemama6801 It is NPH, he was confirmed to be in the show ages ago...unless I imagined that, which would be weird as hell
Oh, I don’t know: I though the opener was very important.
It shows us the reason Dan leaves: he’s - much like Tegan, many years before him - had enough.
Then … ? It sets up a heavily disguised McMuffin: the Child’s important … !
What I'd like to see is David's Doctor running around doing Doctor things but inside his head he's talking/discussing/argueing with Ncuti's Doctor. This way, Ncuti can be the Doctor (doing cameos and voice overs etc) while David is..well, being the Doctor.
I knew he was coming soon but I still lost it when I saw David
Maybe the Master as Rasputin was a nod to Tom Baker playing Rasputin in the movie Nicholas & Alexandra a short time before he became the Doctor.
I think Kate Stewart would just shout “do your worse” when getting converted. Her interaction with the Zygons was so much better and more in character for her than in Power of The Doctor
I can't believe that's it for Jodie :( she brought so much to the role but was let down by the plots. I hope we get to see more of her optimistic, childlike doctor in the future
What was the point of the Timeless Child arc?
I don't think there was a point, it seemed pointless. Maybe it will just be forgotten, like that one time the doctor was said to be half human
An attempt to force mystery back into Doctor Who when in reality all it did was cheapen the lore.
an idea that he was unable to expand and finish up due to the onset of Covid and then his departure which he I suspect always intended to happen when it did
@@polgarauk5606 no way are you blaming covid
@@BeckyBookClubMain not in full no of course not. I believe it hampered what he was able to do with it BUT I also suspect he a) realised this was not going as well as he hoped and b) possibly really didn't know how to close it down in the time he had left. Am I saying he was a great writer nope I am not he lacked closure in most things he did, he had the clever ideas and no clue on the actual execution.
I don't think Kate was screaming for help, she was in pain, remember from classic who era and into the new era, cyber conversion is not painless.
Agreed. I don't think she was being weak and feeble either. It was a play to keep the cybers distracted while Tegan got to the basement to do her thing.
I agree with most of what Ellie said, but I think you missed a big down which was the way Jodie witakers doctor died… it was just very quick, out of nowhere with no build up or tension, just she got hit by a laser and dead
Just wondering, and I'll admit this is a thought late coming even to myself. Apart from trying to tarnish the Doctor's reputation, did anyone else think that he was also, in trying to take over the body of the Timeless Child, he was also trying to give himself the unlimited regnerations that story arc implied?
Also, did anyone else subconsciously find themselves shipping Ace and Graham? :D
I think Chibnall played it safe by not bringing up the timeless child in this episode, it was a massively controversial canon change that Russel might not want to deal with in his new era.
I think the clothes thing is a clue that this isn’t literally a “new” regeneration. I suspect whatever is going on in the anniversary episode has somehow drawn 10 out of time, possibly the result of a paradox that fixing brings back the actual 14th dr (who fir continuity I hope is dressed as Jodie was when he finally shows up.
that does make alot of sence.
DT has been confirmed as the 14th Doctor. It explains why they had the current TARDIS in the leaked photos from the filming earlier this year.
Did anyone notice the Daleks and Cybermen looking at each other, and thinking what the hell is the Master is doing, when he was dancing to Rasputin by Boney M? 😁😆❤️
Yes- I did- laughed at that- lol 😂
Oh yes! Now there was a classic moment.
I think Cate was shaking and so scared BC she genuinely thought she'd never see her kids again
Force regeneration is not a new concept. It was used to force the 2nd doctor to regenerate when he was exiled on earth.
I agree with most of this except the forced regeneration. It seemed like a lot of work for the master to basically play dress up. I just dont understand why he couldn’t knock the doctor out or tie her up and do the same thing. It didn’t make a bunch of sense to me. I loved the end. I didn’t understand how Graham got to the volcano but I guess we will never know. As far as the teaser goes I am super excited for Ncuti because there was something about his energy in that one line that reminded me of my favorites of the first 3 doctors of the reboot. I am like Ellie in that I never got into the classics but I like the energies of Chris, David and Matt. I feel like although different there was something similar to it and I feel like it has been missing with Peter and Jodi. I am very excited for next year.
As far as the Master just knocking her out... that's never really been who they are; they love to play games and just be a force of chaos. If you're going to be chaotic evil you might as well have fun with it. 😛
Firstly: It's the Master. Simple efficient plans aren't really his thing.
Secondly, capturing and/or killing the Doctor has never had a great success rate. This approach puts her permanently out of commission.
Thirdly, it's more dramatic, and the Master is all about the drama.
@@irrevenant3 I guess but it put in too many moving parts and made the plot a bit muddy when in the end all he was doing was playing dress up. There had to be a way to do that without regenerating into her
I loved the support group at the end. I agree more reboot era survivors would have been nice. You could conceivably have had any of the following Martha, Mickey, Wilf, Brian Williams, Adam Mitchell, both Osgoods, Sally Sparrow, Craig and Stormageddon, Courtney Woods, Lady Christina, Luke Smith maybe. You could have also had Grace Halloway. I know there are real world reasons some of them couldn’t have possibly shown up but still. The one that got me though was Mel. It was great to see Bonnie Langford again. But she SHOULDN’T be there. She was left in the year 2,000,000 with Sabalom Glitz how’d she get back to 21st century Earth?
Yeah, great to see Mel again but it did require an explanation as to how that happened. Maybe even just start that whole scene with her ending the story with a single sentence before having Graham talk about it. Blame it on Glitz or something lol.
In The Timeless Child, when the doctor destroyed Gallifrey with the Master and the Cyberlords on it, it was supposed to be the end of all three. Having them in this episode completely undercut that episode and retroactively made it even worse than it already was. I mean, I get that sometimes that baddies have to get brought back, but it preemptively undercuts any future episodes where they are "permanently" or "ultimately" defeated. Edit to add: Also, they did Yaz really god damned dirty by not letting her kiss the Doctor or at least having mutual "I love you and it sucks that we can't be together romantically after this."
I think Graham was in the volcano as he and Ryan were monitoring and investigating random events, and multiple volcanos going off is worth investigating, this is also shown when graham said Ryan was in Indonesia where another volcano had been shown to be erupting
Fantastic episode, loved it a lot, was so happy when Ace called The Doctor Professor, just like old times.
Down: If the 13th Doctor was going to reregenerate back into any previous incarnation, it should have been Paul McGann's 8th. Tennant had his time and a very dragged-out exit from the show. McGann never really got his (TV) time to shine.
Amen
i did love the little nod to sarah jane with yaz taking everybody home but leaving them in croydon :)
I would have liked to have seen Elton Pope there with Ursula as the concrete slab at the end with the other companions. Just finally getting to know so much more.
Ellie has such a cute laugh as well, and so nice to see such genuine excitement from the presenter. Awsome video as always Ellie!
Super up = "Absolutely Fantastic"
Thoughts?
I 100% agree when you referred to The Master and the callback to Simm's Master! When I saw the dancing initially, "Here comes the drones! Here comes the drones!" kept playing in my head.
Glad David is back and it was good to see the older assistants.
Overall I enjoyed it and for mindless popcorn entertainment it was a fine send off. The one thing that keeps nagging at the edge of my subconscious - did anyone else feel like this was written after Chibs watched Journey’s End and especially the 50th Anniversary special and had those story points firmly…”nagging at the edge of his subconscious”? I mean the whole paintings being used by the villain…the 26 nuclear bombs to end the world from Journey’s end are so reminiscent of the Daleks unsettling the tectonic plates (was it 26 volcanoes?) Kate Stewart, Ace’s fall into the TARDIS reminded me both of Matt Smith hanging on to the TRDIS and picking up River Song when she jumped out a building xlll,etc etc it just seemed a jumble of ideas that had almost all come before. Which still worked and helped underscore a celebratory, anniversary feel so not complaining, just curious if anyone else felt the strange familiarity of it all? Loved when Tennant appeared with his signature 1st line re: teeth and his “what…What?….WHAT?” but how’d his clothes regenerate too??? Then again we have precedent as 1st -> 2nd Doctor this happened and 4 -> 5 his boots transformed into shoes! Always suspected Time Lord tech extends to clothing as well, allows time travelers of myriad cultures and planets to always be prepared. ;-) was nice seeing the companions - would have loved Luke & K9 to show up, and this idea could.d be a series of it’s own (I suppose it already is with Big Finish in a way - companions of the Doctor and what they do, especially when they work together, pulling their different experiences and comparing notes on their Doctors, could be a hoot for sure, but must have K9 and River to help out every now and then! Like Torchwood lite! All in all, Not bad and can’t wait for the Doctor Donna and the Second coming of RTD! Was hoping it’d be a Chrimbo 22 or even New Years 23 special but guess that would be too goood to be true, anyway, will be a long year of anticipation but in a good enjoyable way!mWoooooWhoooo! :-) :-) :-)
Yeah I felt it was way too close to these instances of previous episodes to feel special
For me this episode has done 2 things: it’s left me reeling from everything that happened and has left me excited for what comes next. I’ve enjoyed Chris Chibnalls run (I actually like the Timeless Child retcon and appreciate that it has just been left there moving forward) but it never left me excited about what’s coming next… that ‘what?’ feeling.
The Rasputin thing makes sense because of who Rasputin was: this mad weird character from history who had strange control over the Russian royal family.
I thought Kate Stewart was ok. She was sheltering behind the table in my head and the scream during conversion mirrors Yvonne Harmans scream in Doomsday.
The problem with a lot of modern Dr Who is that the narrative has to developed in a short period of time especially when you consider that in the classic series the story was developed over 4+ half hour episodes.This is particularly tricky in one and done episodes.
Overall this episode gets a massive thumbs up from me.
Upon seeing Tennant my first thought was full of relief, "It'll be nice having someone who at least likes Doctor Who be the Doctor again!". Jodi never once felt like she enjoyed embodying the Doctor, combine that with sh*ty writing, and it explains why the Doctor Who viewership declined to barely 1/5th of Capaldi's viewship.
What Ellie said about Dan apples to the entire run under Jodi's Doctor. They never bothered to write deeply, consistently, or thoughtfully for any of the characters, legacy or current. They may have killed off the show for another 25ish years like the gap from 1989-2005.
The 14th Doctor regenerating into his clothes was a massive downside. Would've enjoyed to see the doctor scrambling around the Tardis trying to find clothes that matched his predecessor, the 10th Doctor. I guess the only explanation is that the Doctor pulled a hologram up to cover his clothes just like 11 did. Also, doesn't the Master technically unseat the 14th Doctor and take his place because he regenerated from 13?
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it was such a weird ending, DAVID TENNANT CAME OUT OF NOWHERE
He is in Limbo where Jodie found herself. That is why Ncuti is surprised and angry in the Trailer.
@@paganartisan I’m not surprised to see tennant as has been heavily rumoured for some time
@@paganartisan I think it was caused by Neil Patrick Harris's character the celestial toy maker, every one has their own theories but in total i enjoyedthe episode
With all the "hate" towards Adric in the "classic" Who, and me actually liking him..........I really appreciated the nod and acknowledgment of the sadness of his character and death.
We've gone from "you were fantastic, Absolutely fantastic, and do you know what? So was I!", "I don't want to go" and even "Physician heal thyself" to "tag, you're it". Tragic but not in a good way.
Just doesnt work for me, i dont need a big emotional speech, but "tag, youre it" nah
For your ‘Super Up’ I’d genuinely change it to the ‘FANTASTIC UP’ as a nod to the Ninth Doctor Christopher Eccleston and he always deserves a nod 😊
This was so bitter sweet. Arguably the best finale of any modern day Doctor. Yet it comes from one of the worse eras. Im just happy that Jodie got to have a good send off
I don’t think Rory’s dad would reminisce. He would probably want to find out where his son is.
Well, the Doctor regenerated his clothes form Hartnell to Troughton...
I loved this episode so much. I cried so much at 13s regeneration because she is my Doctor. I also loved Yaz in this episode too if it wasn’t for her the Doctor would be erased forever. The moment when Yaz ran out of the Tardis and carrying the Doctor in her arms back inside made me scream and cry. Then the ice cream date which I also loved very much. I feel a bit robbed that there was no kiss tho
for a past companion, Peri would have been another great character to interact with The Sixth Doctor.
Her faux American accent always annoyed me
That regeneration scene ... I haven't watched most of Whitaker's Era but even still, that final melancholic but playful 'Tag. You're it.' felt very emotional to me. It really sold you the difference between her and Tennant's doctor, who clung on right to the end. She was accepting and willing to pass on the torch.
Also different from Moffat's Doctor, who of course had to give us a ten minute monologue (which I loved so much that I cried my eyes out, no shade).
@@Lovelyivy84you mean Capaldi?
I get them confused too sometimes.
I actually meant Matt Smith, but I'm sticking with my typo. Works for him and Capaldi, so both Moffat Doctors.@@sheersternfeld1914
8:08 I beg to differ. Those companions are probably being saved for next year, with the Sixtieth Anniversary.