RUDY RANT : Long term Magic investors GET RICH
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"You can not predict the future" he says 2 years ago predicting perfectly the price of both BFZ and Ixalan. Seeing this is why I listen to "papa" rudy
xD 😆 100% value growth in this set as of 2021 lol
Once someone of reasonably high intellect knows enough about anything, they're generally able to reason out a range of probable future outcomes with relative accuracy because they see past the 1st, 2nd and 3rd order of consequences or beyond of the data they have with the knowledge they have. And when I say intelligent, I don't mean educated. I'm not sure of Rudy's education level, but if he has higher education, it's because he needed it to get his foot in the door in his previous career. He's intelligent in spite of his higher education if he has it and would have been successful regardless because of his intellect and work ethic.
I think the main problem with people new to investing is that they think you only have to buy 1-2 boxes of one particular set, sit on it for 6 months and expect an easy 500% return. This video did an excellent job at showcasing that cost bases, acquisition routes, diversifying your position, time and scale - all play a vital role in proper investing, resulting in actual profit. Yes, there's always a chance that in X years these boxes will become worthless, but there's also a chance that in X years a meteor will flatten us all. Risk is part of the game and absolutely nothing in life is Guaranteed™.
I use the 'meteor falling from the sky' all the time in response to people worrying about trivial things that will prolly never happen.
At the moment all I can afford to do is have one box sealed sitting. But that's fine by me. When I get to the point where I can get more, I plan on it. This video is great proof that even having one sealed box is a solid ROI, if you're patient.
@@Cosper79 but you know that each year there are meteors falling down to earth neting ca. 100 tons?
"absolutely nothing"
Death.
Also very important to accept the worst case downside when you make your purchase or investment decision. Returns are great but sleeping at night is priceless. If they all go to 0 then I consider myself the proud owner of years worth of booster draft nights with my friends, and fun pack openings on CZcams!
"YOU CANNOT PREDICT THE FUTURE UNLESS YOU HAVE THREE DELOREANS!"
That's what I've been telling my future self every yesterday.
Michael, I think if we could go back with all this foreknowledge we still wouldn't believe ourselves. I'm mean a modern game card that could be reprinted at any time valued into the tens of thousands of dollars?? It is too fantastic to consider. I still find it almost impossible to believe even now. A guy offered $50 for my friend's Black Lotus in March of 94 and we both thought he was crazy to want to pay so much for a card.
Rudy needs to share one of those Deloreans.
Papa Rudy teaching what should be taught in schools.
Finance
Economics
Growing wealth
Bewaring Timmy
Thank u papa rudy for learning me about magic oranges
3/2022... 2.5 years after this video and it has aged well. We have gone through a MTG value surge and now it is pulling back but damn.. everything in this video has held true. Even dumpster-fire Ixalan sealed boxes are at $160. There is a whole 1 card in the set that might fetch more than $20 but the sealed box continues to appreciate. Rudy, you are a got-damn genius.
200$ now
"I don't know if it's next month, next year or 10 years..."
One Year Later....
I just discovered Rudy, thought he might be full of shit, watched this video... oh ok, Rudy knows wtf he's talking about
I knew he would call it correctly, I checked right now and listings are ranging from $115-$135
@@atlys258 Battle For Zendikar stagnating for 2 years now tho
The Eldritch Moon breakdown made every one of the 35 mins worth it
What is pushing Eldritch Moon so high? People just like it?
Im watching this on 3-12-21 and your expectations are literally spot on
Great.. now i'm gonna see Rudy's 'How to become a millionaire selling magic' course ads on youtube.
I’ve watched this at least 5 times in the last year. I’m going to have my kids watch this. They are 11 and 9. I want them to be this aware of reality.
At the 24 min mark he mentions no knowing the next recession, could be next month, next year... Rudydamus giving his predictions!
I'm a sealed Magic investor, but there is a very real problem with it, especially dealing with newer sets. Yes, eventually the prices go up as available inventory dries up, and eventually it will become attractive to start moving your boxes after 5-6 years and your Dominaria boxes have reached $400... but then the 100s of other sealed investors see the opportunity as well, and they start trying to sell them too, but the market is simply too small for sealed Core 2019, GoR, Rivals, and even Dominaria. Then, as more product is suddenly available, the few dozen people who wanted it are satisfied, and to sell more you need to drop your prices, because you're also competing against all the other sellers too. So you must decide; drop to $350, or even $300, or wait for another year, or two, or three.
I'm just not sure that current or even Bronze Age MTG is going to ever be like holding Golden or Silver Age sealed boxes, now that there's a plan and so many are in on it. For instance, I did see Amonkhet boxes climb to $300 briefly, and then 20+ sellers came out of the woodwork and the price dove down to $240 after a half a dozen boxes sold. There's a lot out there, I personally have 16 cases, but I also own a shop and do sell them, both by the case and the pack, and I can just slowly move them. It's fine for me, but online it's a different situation, and the hold time to fully realize the returns you envision could (and likely will) be longer than you imagined. But hey, I could be wrong, I'll admit it.
If you list higher than everyone else, it might sit there longer, but you made more per unit than the people undercutting you.
The supply is finite and you hold a higher market share for everyone who sells early or cracks it.
I buy magic product to play with my friends......weird I know
Patrick R what are friends?
So do I. But I also keep some of that shit sealed.
As do I, but I preserve the good pulls by using Proxies lol.
Your father wouldn’t approve of you playing such a demonic game
Thank you for the video Rudy. A good job showing a reasonable cost basis of $81. But how did you not factor in the risk free rate for years that have past? At 3% BFZ is actually an adjusted cost basis of $90-$95. Not everyone factors in the risk free rate, or an even higher borrowing rate, but you have to if you want actual costs and profits. A few real world corrections to just the Ixalan example that can be applied to most of the boxes discussed (full disclosure, I am in Corporate Finance and my license is active):
1) Booster boxes of Ixalan are all over Facebook for $80-85 right now. You only have to buy 1-2 to get that price.
2) Or if you use Card Kingdom's buylist, which is easy to find eBay cards for a profit, you get +30% and the booster box is $90 per. Let's round that to $70 before tax and shipping if applicable. Shipping is only $10 for me, but assuming further away might be $15... again, with store credit that is only $12... so $82 real world money if you use the buylist and less if you buy multiple boxes, as shipping per will decrease.
3) Boxes of Ixalan are up to $95 on eBay right now because of the 6% and 10% bonus eBay bucks that have been active over the past week or so. Meaning without these bonus bucks, the price should be around $85-$90 on eBay at best.
4) Also, unless you are shipping a ton at a time or have a corporate shipping account, most of us can't get out of shipping and fees for under $15... eBay alone is $10%, PayPal 3-4%, and shipping is $5-10. So costs for most people should be more like $20, not $10 lol.
5) Also, fees are usually a % and shipping will go up, and there is 3-4% inflation that should be factored in as money today is worth more than money in the future, so $10 for shipping and fees in 2-3 years is really stretching the truth. It would be more realistic to be $30 in fees and shipping for the Ixalan box.
6) Rudy is speaking from his perspective, not the 95% of sealed speculators/investors.
7) If you are a Patreon customer that purchases through Rudy, you have to factor in your monthly subscription into your base costs.
8) Investing in sealed product can be good, but you have to be realistic about it.
Love the topic,i wish to read some concrete and smart reply here and read a good discussion about all of this
@@7Alberto7 I really enjoy Rudy's content and love watching his videos. Some of the information he gives is very skewed from a financial perspective. I just hope viewers get informed before they invest/speculate on MTG.
@@vaderwashere365 me too that's why i hope to read more about your reply,also thank you for make this and let us have another point of view about this topic👍
Would be nice to see a quantitative analysis for yearly returns looking at all sets going back 5 (or more years). If you used your more realistic numbers, what would the rates of return for the 4 examples Rudy discussed actually be?
@@ChipHunter3 Yeah, I think you can def make close to the returns Rudy discusses, but you would have to get volume discounts at purchase and warehouse 100s of boxes from each set. So I wouldn't know storage costs as those vary widely by geography. Then you have to figure out how to slowly move 100s of boxes without flooding any of the marketplaces. Most of us might hold a few boxes or a case or two. Also, depends on how many you ship per sale... did some one buy a case from you with no price discount (highly unlikely)? So if shipping 1-2 boxes per sale, I don't think you make a profit on $81 Ixalan at release, that really costs you $90-95 at time of sale in 2021, unless you can get $115 per box without prices being skewed by a 6-10% ebay bucks promotion. With shipping and fees (~$15-20 per box), that is just above break even. That is only vanilla sets like Ixalan, you can make more profit if you would have preordered Ultimate Masters, Battlebond, Conspiracy 2, or a set doesn't sell well and gets popular (Innistrad) or something like that. That will bring up your average if investing similarly in every set. So still a good alternative investment, but hard to recommend an unregulated investment before you have protected investments. Even if you don't trust the government, they are semi-protected and probably a safer bet than WotC/Hasbro and the MTG marketplace.
Edit: I only buy a few boxes to a case of every set, because I actually draft with friends. I hardly get to draft more than a box or three of a set b/c of all the releases over the past 3 years. I have tried selling sealed product that I haven't been able to open from new-10 years old. I usually have to sell at eBay/TCGplayer prices less 10% to sell locally and avoid fees and shipping. It is almost easier to sell the newest release or two than a 3-7 year old booster box (more niche than Rudy talks about). I see tons of Facebook marketplace posts for older booster boxes at 10% below eBay/TCG prices that just get reposted over and over. Again, this is all a hobby for me, but it has been easier to collect, store and sell singles than sealed product to make the same profit %.
Thanks for taking the time to make these. Really appreciate it
Enjoying the vids, and I appreciate the uncensored content. Keep up the good work sir!
Always love the attention to detail on the backgrounds. Great video as always.
Great video, the only thing that would concern me about owning huge numbers of boxes is liquidating them though. It's not easy for the average person to be storing/liquidating hundreds of boxes. Shipping them out one by one or even a few at a time would be a hell of a lot of work on top of that. Can't argue with those gains though.
Same
“How to sell your patreon” featuring Clean Cut Rudy.
Great video watched the whole thing really appreciate all the numbers being laid out to show the different sets returns over the course of years, somtimes its hard to picture the long long term
thank you that is inspiring stuff! not only on a MTG-level, this is for life!
Great video. Only things I would change or add is: 1) build in 15% loss on avg on under 200 sales on ebay/paypal, 2) storage space and costs are not free... people really overlook the latter. Storing 100s or 1000s of boxes is no small feat, ask me how I know. Its not as bad as collector cars, but I would say harder than bullion. Again ask me how I know!
This, your mom isn't going to let you store 1000 magic boxes in your room because someone on CZcams told you to invest in magic cards lol, for little kids who don't understand still...I bought shares of Ford the car company in college because it was cheap, it had a 8% dividend on it, I made all the money back I paid for the shares so they were "free" and I'm now making money on it, every 3 months I get money in my bank account just a few hundred bucks deposited
Another great video. Framing looks a lot better, well done!
This is amazing! This video also helps drive home to those of us who buy a box or two... there is great % growth but the actual cash in hand is low.
I love this videos, they are super fun to watch and I even learn things.
awesome video, also great new mic sounds alot better!
Cruel Summer 2022 TCGLow:
Ixalan - 166
BFZ - 250
Eldritch - 285
Orgins - 140
Not bad!
Thank you as always for your words sir. Truly an eye opening thing. Even on a small scale you look at a case of all four of those and you have some serious coin in your pocket. Thank you though. Love your videos.
We are all at different points in life... And that's OK. Thanks dude, you made me shed a tear.
Hey Rudy,
I was lucky to get a single piece of power - a mox ruby. I have had it for over a year now and it’s increased in price quite a bit. I traded my storm legacy deck for it, and only did so because no one played legacy at the LGS’s I went to.
However, I recently moved. I lost all of my casual fun decks bc of UPS and I’m still going through the claims process. Luckily I kept my lottery cards/reserved list/power with me at all times. I was very upset and nearly let go of my collection because of silly emotions. I got lucky again when I stopped myself from selling out. I started watching your vids again and it helped me keep my head in the game for the long term. I hope to get married in a few years, and I hope my power/reserved list portfolio will help with a ring hahaha. I don’t plan on investing or speculating on cards, but I’m happy your advice and guidance kept me from making a mistake.
33:43 - Hahaha - Reminds me of the South Park Chewbacca defence !
Update from the future of February 2022, TCGPlayer prices. Jeez you pre 2020 people are in for some shit. But hey, that's the fun right.
Origins: 21 listings, $99.99
Eldritch: 25 listings, $169.99 (giggity. Note that only 4 boxes are for that price, then it jumps to 10 with the rest)
BFZ: 19 listings, $214.49
Ixalan: 22 listings, $149.99
I had bought a box of BFZ and Eldritch Moon for $80 from rudy. Doubled my money. Was nice. Maybe I should've waited and gotten more? Oh well. No shame in locking in profits right? Good luck everybody and stay the course.
Current average pricing on Ixalan on Ebay is around $130, I'll check back next year.
really good video - please keep these videos up!
I absolutely love that you are doing these.
I always watch your videos to the end,
Papa Rudy.
Another fantastic investing video!! keep them up. Now we have MTG and Real Estate covered!! Next topic!!
Need to see Rudy's investment streams!!
love these videos thanks Rudy!!!
Thanks for teaching us about the "theory of relatevely" Rudy!
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I understood the first video I watched with the ev and inflation of MTG ty for doing these videos
Papa RUDY
Woah woah woah....
I've never seen clean cut Rudy before. A new charcter to the Rudy-verse
Awesome video, Rudy! This is why I'm a patron!
I'm a simple person, I see Papa Rudy and I commit. Very informative general idea.
Darn. I never bought battle for Zen cause I already have a Scalding Tarn expediton and was grabbing up the kaladesh artifacts. I got in of each of those. (I'm a small time collector).
Cool Video Professor Ruby!
Thanks for helping me make money. I keep goin further back in your videos and as you said in this one- "in 2021 Ixalan should be around 125." Well they're 140 lol.
would love to see a 3 year update on these sets
Was very help full ( Heading to New Jersey)
Great video, thank you, very educational.
Rudy I am inspired by you! Thank you for the information truly priceless. I would take your class lol. Have a lovely day :)
Thx M8. Keep'm coming! :-)
Papa Rudy... can you discuss the ability to sell products... for example how easy is it to do a liquidity sweep with magic? For example can you sweep profits like you would on Wall Street? Have you factored in the cost of the aging in the 10%? Great video keep these coming please!
I love seeing Rudy standing in front of that white board. innocent like a math teacher
I friend of mine bought a Urzas Saga display like 20 years ago for 300 bucks to keep it. We all laughed at that time... He still has it and now he is laughing :D
Just paying for my patreon to keep this kind of content coming is worth it, the boxes are a great bonus though. I love learning this stuff in a way I can understand.
It's a shame these don't get the views. They are a master class.
Still watching even in 2022. Keep it goin.
Keep the videos coming!!
I really like this video. The one thing I have to call out is Rudy’s estimate for “selling fees”. I don’t know of any online selling site that charges a flat selling fee. eBay is 10% plus 2.7% for payment processing. Same with TCGplayer. That $19 for a $150 box. Plus another $8-12 for shipping. These really cut into profit.
Literally addressed in the video with a qualifying statement a few times. In future try listening before you speak rather than just waiting for your turn to talk.
thedarkness125 Thanks for your $.02 10 months later buddy. I did watch the video and he barely mentioned it off hand. Rudy is well known for over/under stating numbers to fit his needs. Next time save yourself the trouble and don’t bother commenting.
Greetings from 2022 again, where Battle for Zendikar is $220 a box :)
Great lesson Rudy keep them up.
Rudy you are the man! KEEP MAKING THESE VIDEOS!!!
"If you even still have friends, and a local game store." That shit hurts, and now that it's 2021 it hurts even more.
I can feel you. I have 2 LGS here. And 1 already didnt make it through covid.
I hope There are places to play magic when the pandemic is over...
This guy knows what's up. Fantastic lesson. :D !
What a great video. Loved it man.
Rudy I've been consuming a lot of your content, and reviewing all your predictions you were only 4 dollars off lol. crazy! you've got a great brain for this stuff.
Thank you Ruby for this video, I came in for the magic and the jokes. Stayed for the excellent informative content.
The haircut is a metaphor for bond investors' looming fate, as we approach 17 trillion USD in negative yielding debt worldwide.
If a person can afford it buy two boxes of each set. plus some single cards of each set as it comes .out singles to use, one box to save ,and one box to open half the packs out of
Lol dragon ball talk that is a completely inappropriate reply to the original comment
@@gatsu37 plus I can't type write
I'm a little timmy
Biden just said hold my beer brother lol
Dear Rudi, you should make an updated video, since 3 years passed now. Thanks for your analysis.
Never have I clicked so fast for rudy!!!!! Love you Rudy!!!!
Great video Rudy. Keep doing long form please.
Thanks for a very educational drive home Rudy!
Thanks for the long form Rudy!!!
MTG started going up when you opened your channel because you make people think it's an investment and they want to be like you and not a timmy..... My hat is off to you sir
Need more of this
I learn so much from this videos,thank you Rudy all joke aside
Creepy Rudy, love these types of videos. Please keep making more of these. Great insights on the world of (financial) Magic.
Yo rudy thanks so much for this investing advice, I see why rich people get richer. My favorite quote from all this is "Money is trash."
Eldritch moon also has it where you could search the boxes by the image on the pack.
God I love these F omg videos. Please don’t stop making these for us financial geeks. I love finance
Bro!straight up,best videos ever!
This guys actually really smart. I'm learning stuff from this guy. Incredible.
29:48 lmao thank you for pointing that out.
Late May Rudy told me to come here. I’m a patron but I never buy anything but I invest in reserve list singles, I play duel commander and proxies are cringe. Your videos have helped me put myself on a path to better my overall life, especially my finances. I’m not 100% sure why.. somewhere between the crude humor and tremendous success investing in my favorite game on the planet. Thank you for the videos I hope you keep making em for a while
Its 2022 and I found this video because of some questions and searching. I got into Magic again back in the Avacyn Restored block. I was buying boxes of AR at my LGS for around $120 a box. EIGHT years later and the cheapest I can find is around $788!!!! Insane!!! I wish I had bought so many more.
Cool stuff
Solid advice, I appreciate you Rudy
Hey Rudy! I’m really curious how you would expect the average seller with several hundred boxes to only lose around 10% in sales fees/shipping! If I sell on eBay... eBay takes 10% and PayPal takes 3%. And shipping costs there as well! I’ve found when I’m selling something I have to expect to lose closer to 15-20%!
Joseph Thrall high rated seller have different fees. For us common folk your right
i think the 10% loss is averaged between online sales and cash deals/other in person deals
Great info Pappa Rudy
Rudy bringing the content 😎
So in all seriousness, how do you make the money to spend to buy new product? Are you slowly selling a small percentage of the older boxes saved up, years down the road? Are you just keeping it all and using another business (card shop?) to make all your investment purchases? What's your guiding principle for how much to sell, and when, to keep reinvesting?
Real question. What about the liability and space issues of storing said boxes versus the indestructibility of digital shares of something which cannot, for instance, burn up in a house fire or a flood. Do you insure the product you store? How much does that add to the cost basis if so?
I like to save these videos for late at night and watch them as I fall asleep. Thanks Rudy.
Sheep.
I recently started buying mtg as an investment. Thanks for this video!
Double Burger!
Hey Rudy, I'm buying a box once in a while for "keeping"/investing/future draft, who knows!
Am I a Timmy, if I only buy 1 box... I'm always looking for the cheapest price when I'm buying my box. So yesh, am I a Timmy?
Love the video keep the positive attitude!
This is actually incredibly interesting
@Alpha Investments Rudy, I'd be really interested to see a video on volume. These numbers are very impressive, but what is your impression of the market stability and its ability to absorb someone offloading these boxes in numbers to make 10s of thousands? Is the demand there to shift volume like that 3-4 years down the line? Are you careful to avoid offloading large numbers of boxes within short periods of time to avoid localised market slumps/value deflation due to our good old friend supply and demand? As someone who has never even picked up a Magic card in their life and enjoys your videos for the finance/investment angle, I'd love to watch a long video with your take on that side of the business.
He talks to the camera as if its a zoom call. That is an amazing talent