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  • Talk Heathen 04.11 for March 15, 2020 with Eric Murphy & Vi La Bianca.
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  • @danielbenson6407
    @danielbenson6407 Před 4 lety +305

    "It's beyond our understanding, but I understand it" - Tyler

    • @bahman2272
      @bahman2272 Před 4 lety +7

      Exactly , facepalm

    • @ericlind6581
      @ericlind6581 Před 4 lety +1

      Daniel Benson Excellent!

    • @brandonhall4547
      @brandonhall4547 Před 4 lety +6

      That's Christianity

    • @kontiuka
      @kontiuka Před 3 lety +5

      Love the Power Ranger analogy. Did the caller realize at all that he was being mocked by Eric?

    • @gazza595
      @gazza595 Před 3 lety

      @@mobilegamersunite Absolutely love ice cream, you must be right.

  • @TrejoDuneSea
    @TrejoDuneSea Před 4 lety +259

    "If you showed me I was wrong, it would strenghten my faith." Ironic that he admitted he was arguing in bad faith.

    • @gid519
      @gid519 Před 4 lety +18

      Me: Okay, bye!

    • @mathiasrryba
      @mathiasrryba Před 4 lety +13

      @Never-ending party What a load of bullshit logic.
      Your logic potential is infinite because right now it's near zero.
      If I grant you 1 2 and 3 then
      In 4 you need to add "it mustn't be a Trinity".
      You can't even follow your own Logic or doctrine.
      6. Is just false on its own without any of the other points.
      You couldn't even prove that a man named Jesus ever walked this Earth let alone was anything else than a doomsday preacher and Jewish blasphemer

    • @christopherianlister5212
      @christopherianlister5212 Před 4 lety +11

      @Never-ending party age of universe 13.7 billion years not the 6,020 the bible claims without going in 2 the other factual errors in the bible we know its fiction obviously...o there was never 1 person either so your comment terminates itself, p.s. maybe life's a gullibility test so the crew r sittin pretty and your screwed, lol...

    • @nates9029
      @nates9029 Před 4 lety +9

      @Never-ending party - Hold it, dumbass. First you said, "there is only one true God and he is Jehovah of the Bible". Then you said, "Jesus is the only God w/ an empty tomb, the only God resurrected as our savoir,....". So which is it, is Jehovah God or is Jesus God? Are they the same person? Then what did Jehovah/Jesus actually sacrifice since he is God? How did God go to Hell for 3 days?! Also, please provide evidence that there was an actual empty tomb for Jesus. Hell, prove Jesus actually existed FIRST and that he was God, the son of God or a distant cousin of God. How does someone sacrificing themself redeem someone else's sins?! First, if I "sin" against someone else how does this involve God and why does God get to decide if I am forgiven and that is granting that your God is even real?! Seriously, you clearly haven't thought about any of this stuff and are instead just spouting the nonsense you were indoctrinated with.

    • @nates9029
      @nates9029 Před 4 lety +10

      @Never-ending party - Also, you clearly didn't read The Grand Design because the book argues that God is not necessary to explain the origins of the universe and that the Big Bang is a consequence of the laws of physics alone. Also, we can't see past the Big Bang so our universe MIGHT have had a beginning but that doesn't mean that we aren't part of a multiverse or if our universe is infinite. Instead of quote mining from Hawking that you found from some apologist site, perhaps you should try actually reading the book instead of simply taking one sentence from it. Clearly you are just copying and pasting your comment from a script. Perhaps you should try doing the research you accuse others of not doing instead of just going off your mindless script?!

  • @pierreblignaut5859
    @pierreblignaut5859 Před 4 lety +166

    "We don't need energy, because it doesn't fit with my post hoc rationalization"

    • @kirksatterwhite2473
      @kirksatterwhite2473 Před 4 lety +27

      Tyler B #2 Your argument is flawed and ridiculous as Eric and Vi pointed, so this will probably fall on deaf ears, but using your own assertion that energy is not a separate, distinct element of the universe, but instead is a part of matter (not completely correct, but close enough for argument sake that I’ll give this one to you) then you have to accept that space and time are not two separate things either just as Einstein illustrated... it’s spacetime. So now you’re down to just 2 components: matter/energy and spacetime. So I guess we’d better ditch either the father, the son or the holy ghost and take it down to just 2 entities to fit your bizarre view of the universe. I’m trying my best not to sound too condescending, but you should really try reading a book about science and the nature of the universe before positing ridiculous conjecture about it. And after you read a book, you really should watch a movie, namely The Matrix, “Mr. I was Born After They Came Out”, because it’s really a bad ass trilogy. Oh shit I probably just gave you further evidence for your trinity didn’t I? Damn! 🤣

    • @dayvharris
      @dayvharris Před 4 lety +12

      Matter can not exist without energy is analogous to how time can not exist without space.
      Energy and matter are not distinct from each other.
      Space and time are not distinct from each other ether. You can NOT exist somewhere without existing some when - just as you can NOT exist some when without existing somewhere.
      Also, 3 cannot be 1 as 1 cannot be 3, otherwise all math fails to be rational.

    • @antitheist3206
      @antitheist3206 Před 4 lety +8

      @@kirksatterwhite2473
      Matter and energy are the same thing in different states, we've known this since the double slit experiment showed that light can behave as both a wave (energy) and a particle (matter).
      And yes, space and time aren't any more distinct than that; they're different parts of one thing, spacetime.
      So unless there's some nebulous part of the universe that hasn't been documented yet, our existence has 2 parts to it: energy and spacetime.

    • @darrylelam256
      @darrylelam256 Před 4 lety +3

      @Tyler B #2 Its also time/space, not time and space. If you say we can't separate energy and matter, than you can't separate time and space. So it still doesn't fit with his post hoc rationalization.

    • @TranslationX
      @TranslationX Před 4 lety +6

      @@antitheist3206 Actually we've known that matter and energy is the same thing since Einstein wrote his rather famous equation. He initially wrote it in the form of M = E/C*2.
      The double slit experiment has nothing to do with it. The wavefunction is not representing energy, it's just all the possibilities where the "particle" is. There are two main classification of particles; bosons ("energy" or force carriers) like the photon and fermions ("matter") like the electron. All "particles" behave the same way in the double slit experiment, it doesn't matter if they are bosons or fermions. Bosons do not turn into fermions when the wavefunction collapses - a boson is a boson, be it a wave or a "particle"

  • @88marome
    @88marome Před 4 lety +132

    "It's not that I'm wrong, it's that I don't understand it so therefore I am right."

  • @beirirangu
    @beirirangu Před 4 lety +33

    This video is a clear example of the saying: "Never argue with a fool. They will drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience"

  • @exe372
    @exe372 Před 4 lety +53

    The irony of Tyler calling anyone willfully ignorant is hilarious.

    • @louiscyfer6944
      @louiscyfer6944 Před 3 lety

      he may just be one of the dumbest shits around.

  • @SPL0869
    @SPL0869 Před 4 lety +145

    “God can’t fit into our three pound brain.”
    “Btw. Let me tell you all about him.”

    • @SPL0869
      @SPL0869 Před 4 lety +20

      Tyler B #2 what does that mean? How do you even know if you’re “comprehending” him? If he's too big for your brain, then how could you possibly comprehend him? Don't you comprejend by using your brain?

    • @49perfectss
      @49perfectss Před 4 lety +14

      @Tyler B #2 dude you can't even grasp the fact that energy is necessary to a universe. Big yawn to your claims of understanding hahaha

    • @hesham69
      @hesham69 Před 4 lety

      Especially not a 3 essenced one that would be one essence per pound. So unfair

    • @RonaldStepp
      @RonaldStepp Před 4 lety

      ...about him..... in excruciating detail.

    • @davidrichardson7466
      @davidrichardson7466 Před 4 lety +4

      @Tyler B #2 BTW your God not only condones slavery: your God legislated slave beating. Exodus 21: 20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property". Additionally, Paul sent a slave back to his master. Wake up little puppy!

  • @artistjoh
    @artistjoh Před 4 lety +30

    In the first two minutes Tyler proved to be one of the great comedians of our time. When Eric asked what would happen to Tyler’s faith if Eric could demonstrate that the trinity cannot possibly exist he actually said that disproof would strengthen his faith. There are few comedians, not even George Carlin, could come up with a comeback like that. Pure comedy gold. He made my stomach hurt from laughing, but then I realised that he probably votes, and that took all the funny out of his statement.

    • @mathiasrryba
      @mathiasrryba Před 4 lety +5

      I wouldn't call it being a comedian, more of a jester

    • @artistjoh
      @artistjoh Před 4 lety +5

      Edelwise Or clown.

    • @rogerlc915
      @rogerlc915 Před rokem +1

      I don’t know if you know l

  • @visforvegan8
    @visforvegan8 Před 4 lety +84

    Caller: 2+2=5
    Hosts: And what if I proved it was 4, how would that change your understanding of math?
    C: It would prove I'm right, and that math is infinite and too complicated for our little brains.
    H: You have 2 apples, I give you 2 more. How many apples do you have?
    C: 5
    H: could you count them?
    C: ok, 1, 2, 3, 4
    H: and what does that tell you
    C: that I was right all along. Math is complex, the universe is infinite, and I'm gonna kill Jed for stealing my 5th apple.

    • @antank5703
      @antank5703 Před 3 lety +7

      you should have said 1+1+1=1 lol

  • @karlrschneider
    @karlrschneider Před 4 lety +126

    Tyler is an elegant example of how religion turns human minds to dogshit.

    • @kenbee1957
      @kenbee1957 Před 4 lety +14

      And not even slowly over time either
      This guy is younger than the Matrix movies

    • @scruffylookingNerfherder5742
      @scruffylookingNerfherder5742 Před 4 lety +5

      The Power Rangers are not 3 and 1 coming to gather instantaneously....... but the six constructicons can come together instantaneously to form Devastator, therefore Megatron!

    • @jeff-8511
      @jeff-8511 Před 4 lety

      Karl Schneider even dogshit ain’t as stupid as this guy

  • @StalePretzels
    @StalePretzels Před 4 lety +55

    Caller: "The Power Rangers are not three-in-one coming together"
    Me: "Uhm, Megazord..."

    • @amaanyahya9863
      @amaanyahya9863 Před 3 lety +9

      He just doesn't understand it....oh wait does that mean megazord is god??? I think I did something damn!

    • @Robeebert
      @Robeebert Před 3 lety +4

      He is right. Most Power Rangers operate in groups of 5.

    • @dalesplitstone6276
      @dalesplitstone6276 Před 3 lety

      Actually, god must be trinitarian because Andromeda in the television series Andromeda is three in one, the ship, the ship made flesh, and the holographic projection of the ship.

    • @namjoonssexybrain1679
      @namjoonssexybrain1679 Před 3 lety +1

      @@Robeebert Ninja Storm started with a team of three power rangers. More joined later in the season, but the first few episodes is just the three.

    • @Robeebert
      @Robeebert Před 3 lety

      @@namjoonssexybrain1679 I did use the qualifier "most." And I'm glad they got their act together and helped, uh, "Prove God."

  • @BaronVonQuiply
    @BaronVonQuiply Před 4 lety +99

    When you snap a stick of spaghetti, it breaks into 3 segments. Three trinary aspects of the whole.
    May ye be touched by his noodley appendages today.

    • @elainejohnson6955
      @elainejohnson6955 Před 4 lety +24

      R'Amen

    • @UngoogleableMan
      @UngoogleableMan Před 4 lety +7

      I have one pasta. Its spaghetti, linguine and penne all in one noodle. Three pastas in one noodle. Triune pasta

    • @BaronVonQuiply
      @BaronVonQuiply Před 4 lety +6

      And yea, verily i say unto thee, did not the grocery store prophecy that the Rontini that comes in tomato, spinach, and regular would be one sale this week. And it is so.

    • @onlycorndog6322
      @onlycorndog6322 Před 4 lety +7

      Pastallelujah

    • @Tupelo927
      @Tupelo927 Před 3 lety +1

      May all my fellow Pastafarians be blessed with garlic & annointed with olive oil. (Extra virgin, of course!) 🍝

  • @paullanoue5228
    @paullanoue5228 Před 4 lety +192

    I assume his god travels on a tricycle.

    • @donaldsmith7824
      @donaldsmith7824 Před 4 lety +3

      Paul LaNoue exactly

    • @scottlouissmith2382
      @scottlouissmith2382 Před 4 lety +4

      Paul LaNoue: That was a excellent comment!

    • @dantheman2907
      @dantheman2907 Před 4 lety +7

      And you should see his triceps!

    • @grizz1379
      @grizz1379 Před 4 lety +11

      nope he would have evidence that was beyond our understanding that his god rides 3 unicycles at the same time.

    • @kenbee1957
      @kenbee1957 Před 4 lety

      🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @glenhill9884
    @glenhill9884 Před 4 lety +21

    Eric: Do you remember the Matrix movies?
    Tyler: No, I was born after they came out.
    WTF? I was born after Casablanca, but I have watched it and remembered it.

    • @adultcontent18
      @adultcontent18 Před 3 lety +4

      Logic is not Tyler's strong suit, so I'm not surprised that came out of his mouth.

    • @biekgiek
      @biekgiek Před rokem +2

      Tyler, you were born after the bible was written. So...wait, never mind. I'm sure that just strengthens your faith.

    • @Disturbed0neGaming
      @Disturbed0neGaming Před 10 měsíci

      The matrix films aren't in the bible, this Tyler doesn't need to have watched or remember them.

  • @justwood8440
    @justwood8440 Před 4 lety +45

    During this entire conversation, all I could picture is Hank Hill selling propane.

    • @EvilEyeGypsy
      @EvilEyeGypsy Před 4 lety +5

      Just Wood and propane accessories.

    • @p.bamygdala2139
      @p.bamygdala2139 Před 3 lety +3

      I tell you what.

    • @TheAmusingOddities
      @TheAmusingOddities Před 3 lety

      I'd rather have Hank as a neighbor than this moron. He's more like bill. Bills an idiot.

    • @blackhat4206
      @blackhat4206 Před 3 lety

      and propane accessories.

    • @Robeebert
      @Robeebert Před 3 lety

      @@TheAmusingOddities Be nice to Bill, he doesn't pretend to have extranatural knowledge.

  • @ArchAGabriel
    @ArchAGabriel Před 4 lety +9

    Tyler is one of those people that has been trapped in a cage of ignorance for so long ; until even when the door is opened he refuse to come out..

  • @Tenly2009
    @Tenly2009 Před 4 lety +38

    Premise 1: “A lack of understanding God proves that God exists and is impossible to understand.”
    Premise 2: “Tyler lacks an understanding of Eric”
    Conclusion: Therefore, Eric exists and is Tyler’s God.

    • @guytheincognito4186
      @guytheincognito4186 Před 4 lety +1

      like wooah man 🤯

    • @BlacksmithTWD
      @BlacksmithTWD Před 4 lety

      I'd consider that a non sequitur. I suggest you brush up your philosophical skills before attempting to seem like a witty nerd again.

    • @miconis123
      @miconis123 Před 3 lety +2

      Eric is God. He even has a book saying so. And he wrote it so can confirm that it's telling the truth.

    • @BlacksmithTWD
      @BlacksmithTWD Před 3 lety +1

      @Azazel Dreciare
      No I got it was a joke, but crappy jokes are still crappy. A decent comedian could have made a similar joke where at least the argument was logic (not necessarily sound) and then it would be funny.
      But since I take it you don't even know about the difference between an argument being logic and an argument being sound (as few people turn out to do), I'll just stick to: go r/woosh yourself.

    • @zgs12212012
      @zgs12212012 Před 2 lety +1

      @@BlacksmithTWD I say that the faux syllogism is adequately analogous to the reasoning most people do when confronted with actually having to map out what they think about the world. And of course it's a non sequitur. Most of apologetics seems to fall into a precious few categories of fallacy. Just my two pieces of currency after all of this time has passed us by.

  • @rabbakahn
    @rabbakahn Před 4 lety +76

    I am still trying to figure out how the universe works without energy.

    • @krm24seven
      @krm24seven Před 4 lety +10

      I stop taking him serious when he said that. He's living proof that you can read and not comprehend.

    • @murph8411
      @murph8411 Před 4 lety +3

      How do you get matter without energy in the first place? How does the universe function or continue to exist without energy? Are space and time really two discrete things or should we consider them as spacetime?

    • @LenaLangton
      @LenaLangton Před 4 lety +9

      E=mc^2: energy and matter are co-dependent, you cannot have one without the other. This guy needs to learn some real science and math rather than reading an ancient work of fiction.

    • @rabbakahn
      @rabbakahn Před 4 lety

      @@LenaLangton yes. We all learned that in physics class.

    • @fatdoi003
      @fatdoi003 Před 4 lety +3

      lock him in a room with a bbq stove, a bag of charcoal and some nice steak without a lighter... he'll soon realize energy is absolutely relevant in the universe when he stares at the steak for days.....

  • @antitheist3206
    @antitheist3206 Před 4 lety +31

    "you can have a car without a steering wheel, it just won't work"
    Then how is a steering wheel not an essential component of a car?

    • @Cellidor
      @Cellidor Před 4 lety +3

      _Exactly!_ You could just as easily say "You can have a universe without matter, it just won't work". It's nonsense.

    • @BlacksmithTWD
      @BlacksmithTWD Před 4 lety +2

      This reminds me of a youtube video of a guy steering with an adjustable wrench instead of a steering wheel.

  • @SparkedEd
    @SparkedEd Před 4 lety +8

    Just so everyone knows, energy is absolutely necessary for the universe to exist.

  • @RonaldStepp
    @RonaldStepp Před 4 lety +32

    "There's just too much proof."
    Wow, absolutely amazing how people can be programmed by experts.

    • @doctorgorgomel
      @doctorgorgomel Před 4 lety +6

      @Never-ending party Funny how you are trying to prove something by quoting people who actually did not believe in that thing. :)
      Btw, just because this local representation of the universe had a beginning, it doesn't mean what existed prior the big bang, did not exist in some form. Just like your person started to begin at your conception however everything you are made of already existed in other forms. Or a chair, made of wood to keep it simpler.
      It's really just appealing to a mystery to solve another mystery. And the biblical god is really an infantile attempt to explain anything.

    • @franktherealist481
      @franktherealist481 Před 4 lety +3

      @Never-ending party and yet, before Judaism and christianity, there were resurrection stories, flood stories, creation stories and many, many similar stories that your story book has. It's obvious that you've done no research into other religions to see that the Christian narrative is not unique. What you have is fantasy and your God has given you nothing but assertions and claims to give and nothing valid to show his existence. You need to have a pow wow with that deity to see how he could have done such a thing. He's given us this logic and reason to break down fallcious ideologies and narratives that don't follow and he expects us to throw that away and follow blindly?! LMAO! That's pretty pathetic. Pray on it and see if he can give you a solid reason as to why he's vague and ambiguous. As much as you've cut and pasted, not a single scientist who invested their lives in this issue of the big bang and evolution has made the claim or has suggested some Devine hand. That's the misconception Christians have. Not scientists.
      It's funny that atheists know the bible more than Christians do. We're more realistic in its context, origin and meaning and it offends those who have been indoctrinated. You're indoctrinated. It's sad that you got mentally abused into believing there is some deity who can do anything man can't yet can't do anything man can. smh...

    • @RonaldStepp
      @RonaldStepp Před 4 lety +3

      @Never-ending party "The impossibility of infinite regress proves our infinite G0D:" Here's how you avoid infinite regress, say, "there is no problem with an infinite regress unless you make it a problem." You seem to have no problem saying that god is infinite. You can just as easily say that the Universe is infinite. SPECIAL PLEADING doesn't define your God into existence.

    • @RonaldStepp
      @RonaldStepp Před 4 lety +1

      @Never-ending party i am not trying to prove a finite universe. Are you daft? Why are you saying you debunked what I did not say? I am just saying you haven’t proven your assertions. Or claims.

    • @RonaldStepp
      @RonaldStepp Před 4 lety +1

      @Never-ending party I’ll just leave you alone to talk to who ever you are talking to. It isn’t me as you keep saying things I didn’t say.

  • @benclark5955
    @benclark5955 Před 4 lety +9

    " I was just proving the existence of the god of the bible." Ya know, just a simple Wednesday afternoon for our boy Tyler.

  • @kennethd.9436
    @kennethd.9436 Před 4 lety +40

    “Energy is not an essential component of the universe.” 🙄
    Unplug your cell phone and empty your car of gas. Energy is an essential component for you to make a call.

    • @dariusnoname12
      @dariusnoname12 Před 4 lety +9

      Not only that but based on knowledge that we currently have, matter is energy. So his logic is even more nonsensical

    • @guytheincognito4186
      @guytheincognito4186 Před 4 lety +8

      @@dariusnoname12
      If there were no energy there'd be no universe period. Matter is just a state of energy.

    • @dariusnoname12
      @dariusnoname12 Před 4 lety +3

      @@guytheincognito4186 I know that.

    • @guytheincognito4186
      @guytheincognito4186 Před 4 lety +2

      @@dariusnoname12
      Yup. I was just reinforcing it. Lol

    • @jessmcafee2557
      @jessmcafee2557 Před 4 lety +2

      Energy is the first element of the universe

  • @lauriesoper4056
    @lauriesoper4056 Před 3 lety +5

    This guy is hilarious!! Tyler: "You are just being wilfully ignorant of this OBVIOUS truth." Too many laughs!!!

  • @garethchaumont4585
    @garethchaumont4585 Před 4 lety +28

    This guy is killing me lmao. Btw, I would love to listen to an audio book recorded by Eric

  • @squirrelflight
    @squirrelflight Před 4 lety +30

    "The universe can't exist without"... this assertion seems... silly to me. We only know of one universe, and it exists as is, without any prerequisites (as far as I know).

  • @zzytrewq
    @zzytrewq Před 4 lety +10

    The universe is composed of time, space, matter and energy. Let me count those...mmm FOUR!

  • @zosoMM
    @zosoMM Před 4 lety +18

    Power Ranger analogy in argument 1. Well played, sir. well played. Reductio ad absurdum at its finest!

    • @TV-jn4dh
      @TV-jn4dh Před 4 lety

      It's a shitty analogy, though. What is analogous to the Power Grid, the thing Trinity taps into transform into the Might Morphin' Father, son & Spirit?
      'What' are they in their pre-transformation states? Jesus I understand, he just turns into some normal guy, i.e. regular dead dude, so how could he even Morph? Spirit probably has a big percentile reduction on max mana and spell power and the Spirit to how often they can make people fake faint in religious ceremonies.

  • @koosh138
    @koosh138 Před 4 lety +19

    This guy stole money from me, and if he can prove me wrong that means I'm even more right.

  • @RegebroRepairs
    @RegebroRepairs Před 4 lety +8

    When he claimed that energy isn't an essential component of the universe I laughed so I hurt my back.
    Of all the bad rationalizations I've heard on this show, that one takes the cake.
    Edit: And the way he constantly completely refused to acknowledge ANY of your arguments, or even acknowledge the fact that he POSSIBLY could be wrong about anything.... Amazing.

  • @chandlersleziak6416
    @chandlersleziak6416 Před 4 lety +11

    I love the fact that Eric made a reference to the Power Rangers. 😎

    • @lyndonbauer1703
      @lyndonbauer1703 Před 4 lety +2

      profile pic checks out

    • @chandlersleziak6416
      @chandlersleziak6416 Před 4 lety

      @@lyndonbauer1703 Exactly. Thanks for noticing my profile pic. Although I bet my comment made it even more obvious. Lol 🤣😎👍

  • @dariofprsia
    @dariofprsia Před 4 lety +7

    Gravity, electromagnetism, stong nuclear force and weak nuclear force.
    There, which one of these is not necessary to the universe?

  • @teresaamanfu7408
    @teresaamanfu7408 Před 4 lety +17

    It is impossible to have a conversation with someone who is this dishonest.

    • @BlacksmithTWD
      @BlacksmithTWD Před 4 lety

      It is also impossible to have a conversation between two people who don't speak each others language, not dishonesty needed.

    • @USS_Sentinel
      @USS_Sentinel Před 3 lety +1

      More like indoctrinated.

    • @teresaamanfu7408
      @teresaamanfu7408 Před rokem

      These people vote in America. 😢

  • @TheDahaka1
    @TheDahaka1 Před 4 lety +15

    "You don't need energy"
    Well, energy and matter are inextricably linked, without energy there's no change, and so time has no more meaning.... I think energy is quite important

    • @fatdoi003
      @fatdoi003 Před 4 lety

      energy cannot be created nor destroyed..... same as his god

    • @bencrossley647
      @bencrossley647 Před 4 lety

      @@fatdoi003 Energy can be created and destroyed.

    • @fatdoi003
      @fatdoi003 Před 4 lety

      @@bencrossley647 oh... How so?

    • @bencrossley647
      @bencrossley647 Před 4 lety

      @@fatdoi003 The law of conservatio of energy has the prerequisite of a flat-unbending spacetime. For most applications we can make this assumption and nothing changes.
      However, consider a photon travelling through outer space. It's energy is given by E = hf.
      As space expands a type of Doppler shift occurs. Causing the frequency to change in this equation. This reduces the energy of the photon through no physical process other than spacetime itself changing. Thu energy is not conserved.

    • @nathanjora7627
      @nathanjora7627 Před 3 lety +1

      @@bencrossley647 Couldn’t you just say that the process of space time expanding uses that energy ? Or in other word that energy is transferred, not destroyed ?

  • @phant0mwolf421
    @phant0mwolf421 Před 4 lety +1

    Believing something is beyond your understanding, is the best way to insure it remains beyond your understanding.

  • @nuffflavor
    @nuffflavor Před 4 lety +3

    Hearing all these people.... I now understand why so many people can become rich.
    Come up with a Semi-solid Idea, and then have these types buy into it.

  • @markpolice3585
    @markpolice3585 Před 4 lety +3

    Tyler is like 20 and therefore knows everything.

  • @michaelprozonic
    @michaelprozonic Před 4 lety +10

    “The God of the Gaps” - Neal deGrasse Tyson…….wha ever we cannot understand, there is the hand of god. Until science explains it and then god moves on again

    • @BlacksmithTWD
      @BlacksmithTWD Před 4 lety

      "the god of the gaps" is the god that Dawkins doesn't believe in, unlike the Christian god which is believed by Christians. First provide proof that those two are identical before asserting the Christian god doesn't exist based on this evidence.

  • @brianmkolins4426
    @brianmkolins4426 Před 4 lety

    "A thing is what it is, it's not what it's not, and it can't be what it is, and what it isn't, at the same time"
    That is truly a beautiful way of explaining it. very simple, wish I thought of that phrasing... but still, awesome! :)

  • @tedgrant2
    @tedgrant2 Před 3 lety +1

    When the 3 wise men visited Jesus at 3 am they had 3 gifts.
    3 x 3 x 3 = 27 and there are 27 books in the New Testament !
    It's a miracle !

  • @tedgrant2
    @tedgrant2 Před 3 lety +4

    "The firmament is just the atmosphere, actually" (Tyler)
    "God called the firmament Heaven" actually ! (Genesis 1:8)
    So who is right ? Tyler or God ?

  • @majedahmed89
    @majedahmed89 Před 4 lety +9

    God is kinda like that 3 headed white dragon from YuGiOh

    • @33melonpaws77
      @33melonpaws77 Před 4 lety +1

      blue eyes ultimate dragon. (but god is less impressive)

  • @thecriticalone1783
    @thecriticalone1783 Před 3 lety +1

    Hey you! Yeah you! The one scrolling the comments.
    Have a wonderful day. 😊

  • @StrGzr101
    @StrGzr101 Před 3 lety +2

    Good work. You might wanna remember that matter IS energy.

  • @spike238
    @spike238 Před 4 lety +11

    If I had to pick a god, I'd pick Zeus.... Lighting bolts, Thunder, Lived on Mount Olympus, ... definitely the #1 god

    • @ALTDOK667
      @ALTDOK667 Před 4 lety +1

      I would choose Azathoth! Freaky!

    • @lhurst9550
      @lhurst9550 Před 4 lety +3

      I'm parcel to the Nordic, Thor and crew.

    • @ALTDOK667
      @ALTDOK667 Před 4 lety

      @@lhurst9550 _Parcel_
      oh god lol

    • @ALTDOK667
      @ALTDOK667 Před 4 lety +2

      @Hillary's emails to Lorne Did you know Jesus was originally based on Zeus' son, Apollo?

    • @lhurst9550
      @lhurst9550 Před 4 lety +2

      @@ALTDOK667 Yep, you got me. Did not double check that one..... LOL on me.

  • @zimbag
    @zimbag Před 4 lety +16

    He throws in "we are broken". I lived with that for years and years. They stole my being...made me feel unworthy.

  • @rafelito32
    @rafelito32 Před 4 lety +1

    I love it when people say that God of the Bible is to difficult to understand but yet they seem to understand this

  • @oliverdash2585
    @oliverdash2585 Před 4 lety +2

    This book is the Conman's handbook. There is a chapter to sell every bridge, an answer to every question and justification for every situation good or bad.

  • @shauncarelse7993
    @shauncarelse7993 Před 4 lety +4

    Lmfao!....Tyler: "i was born after the Matrix"

  • @gid519
    @gid519 Před 4 lety +6

    Don't need energy lmao! Matt would have had a trip with this guy.

  • @conservativepersonnel8458

    I could listen to VI all day looonngg.

  • @Abraxas1177
    @Abraxas1177 Před 4 lety +1

    Tyler is a true Christian: sanctimonious, patronizing, self-righteous, water-proofed against evidence and 100% logic devoided

  • @izmark671
    @izmark671 Před 4 lety +18

    16 seconds in he says "points to a...." and then the "I promise" bible stage. Yawn Idiocy. So Flocked.
    blithering bible bantering. Call the BBB!

  • @Tomlinsky
    @Tomlinsky Před 4 lety +6

    Ah bahleev it is beyond are unnerstandin but will proceed to explain how eye unnerstand it.

  • @Customwinder1
    @Customwinder1 Před 4 lety

    Thanks Forrest 👍

  • @petermirtitsch1235
    @petermirtitsch1235 Před 3 lety +1

    Dear Tyler, that nice Mr Einstein from number twelve reckons that the universe is full of energy, and it can never be created or destroyed. He even reckons that matter is just a concentrated firm of energy.

  • @jns8393
    @jns8393 Před 4 lety +4

    Theists love coincidences. Except they don't see them as that.

  • @DangStank
    @DangStank Před 4 lety +10

    What about energy? If I add energy to the list do I prove that a quadratarian god exists?

    • @DangStank
      @DangStank Před 4 lety

      How are matter and energy interchangeable? Matter is anything that occupies space and has mass. And energy is the capacity to do work. I don’t see how those concepts are interchangeable with one another

    • @oneadamtwelve86
      @oneadamtwelve86 Před 4 lety +3

      also somebody might want to let him know that space and time are not really two different things like he wants, they are very intertwined, and they are also intertwined with velocity as well. so this guy is a polytheist

    • @pierreblignaut5859
      @pierreblignaut5859 Před 4 lety

      @BookkeeperBill Sure, lets just throw away the whole c squared part "because, like, what the fuck ever dude"

    • @49perfectss
      @49perfectss Před 4 lety

      @BookkeeperBill he is trying to out dumb Tyler as far as I can tell

    • @49perfectss
      @49perfectss Před 4 lety

      @Never-ending party What crated god? Warning! If you say nothing did or he didn't need one then you are arguing with a fallacy called Special Pleading. Also these "arguments" of yours are super basic and pretty much the first thing an atheists deals with. Got anything that lacks a fallacy?

  • @r1pster05
    @r1pster05 Před 4 lety +1

    I love this.
    "What would you do if I could show you that your concept is demonstrably wrong?"
    " it would make my faith stronger! "
    Ok.

  • @Mewse1203
    @Mewse1203 Před 3 lety +1

    We can't draw A conclusion. We draw MANY conclusions

  • @marlonportemcalpe4690
    @marlonportemcalpe4690 Před 4 lety +5

    Hey Tyler, Are you going to call in next week? :) Im down! Im gonna have more topics to discuss on Talk Heathen and it will knock their socks off! ;)

    • @marlonportemcalpe4690
      @marlonportemcalpe4690 Před 4 lety

      @Tyler B #2 By the way, If you want to talk more about the bible, We should have a discussion sometime on Skype, Facebook Messenger or Zoom Video Meeting if thats okay with you.

    • @marlonportemcalpe4690
      @marlonportemcalpe4690 Před 4 lety

      @Tyler B #2 Yes i am serious. I am a Young Earth Creationist and a Bible Believing Christian. There aren't much people from asia calling into Talk Heathen but i know Mr Intelligent Design or Mr ID in short from Japan is one of them. I call into the show with other tabs open in google chrome to explain to Eric and Vi what im talking about.

    • @marlonportemcalpe4690
      @marlonportemcalpe4690 Před 4 lety +1

      Its time for someone in the East to intervene :D

    • @rageofheaven
      @rageofheaven Před 4 lety +3

      Just a bit of advice, don't. Every time someone comes up with some insane hypothesis based on inductive reasoning, it winds up being crushed. No, that's not actually jesus on toast.

    • @doctorgorgomel
      @doctorgorgomel Před 4 lety +4

      Please guys, don't stop! XD

  • @Izzmonster
    @Izzmonster Před 4 lety +6

    Someone doesnt know about antimatter and the higgs boson.

  • @RossTheNinja
    @RossTheNinja Před 3 lety

    Best opening reply ever

  • @tedgrant2
    @tedgrant2 Před 4 lety +2

    We know the earth rests on pillars (First Samuel 2:8 Job 9:6 and Psalm 75:3)
    which points to the fact that scientists don't know what they are talking about.
    The only problem is :- On what are the pillars resting ?
    My theory is the god of Israel has a very big left hand.

    • @49perfectss
      @49perfectss Před 4 lety +1

      Hahaha that ending was great man

  • @richardplinston9488
    @richardplinston9488 Před 4 lety +11

    'Elohim' is plural, yes, and it also refers to 'El', the chief 'god' of the Canaanite pantheon. El had many sub-gods/territorial chiefs, many of them called Bael-something, such as Bael-zebub. In fact El was a god-king or god-dictator. 'Elohim' can best be understood as 'Family of El'. When the 'god of the jews' said "I am Elohim, my name is Yahweh", he is saying that he belongs to the family of El and he then becomes the god-dictator of the Jews. ie El and Yahweh were humans that were tribal chiefs/dictators.

    • @franktherealist481
      @franktherealist481 Před 4 lety +3

      That explains the biblical genocide and all the death dealt to people out side of the Jewish nation in that era. LOL!

    • @richardplinston9488
      @richardplinston9488 Před 4 lety +1

      @@franktherealist481 @"death dealt to people out side of the Jewish nation"
      Not only outside the Jewish nation but 3000 Hebrew were slaughtered when Moses brought down the 10 commandments.

    • @franktherealist481
      @franktherealist481 Před 4 lety

      @@richardplinston9488 Moses was a mythical character that even rhabinical historians admit to. Sorry, but you have nothing showing the validity or justification to promote that book as anything other than just a story book. It's telling how much you'll try to push bible narrative as fact when there's very little fact in it that can be corroborated out side the bible. There are some people who existed and corroborated historically as are the places but the stories associated with them? History says another thing beyond the bible narrative. Again, I don't believe in God or gods of any kind where you, as a Christian, could possibly demonstrate that what you believe is true. I devoted 15 years of study and research to this in order to find answers. I was a believer when I started this journey. The bible helped me out of religion. Like it or not, my adventures in learning all this has made me a skeptic and unless you have clear and justified, reasonable evidence that suggests that God exists and that the bible is true, you have nothing to offer.all you're doing is parroting the same narrative everyone else in your religion has done.
      I know every verse, every bit of nuance and apologetics given to this book. What's funny is that you all have different definitions of what a single verse means and don't even agree with each other. When you all get together and co.e to an agreement, we can talk.
      Keep trying, though. You'll open your eyes to facts soon enough.

    • @richardplinston9488
      @richardplinston9488 Před 4 lety +1

      @@franktherealist481 You are a moron that cannot read. It should have been obvious from my: " El and Yahweh were humans that were tribal chiefs/dictators" that I am not a christian nor am I promoting the bible.

    • @cygnustsp
      @cygnustsp Před 4 lety

      When i came across that i thought it made so much sense that i could hardly believe it, because in grew up jehovah's witness and we never ever considered or researched anything like that. I very much think that the original jehovah was actually a fictitious dude, not a god, and got turned into a god, like jesus did.

  • @ShawnNac
    @ShawnNac Před 4 lety +3

    The four forces of nature, gravity, electromagnetism, strong force and the weak force makes everything.

    • @mathiasrryba
      @mathiasrryba Před 4 lety +1

      There is a hypothesis for a 5th fundamental force that is being researched from what I heard.

  • @joshuaryan1125
    @joshuaryan1125 Před 4 lety +1

    I actually burst out laughing when he proposed his explanation for the universe and god.

  • @markpolice3585
    @markpolice3585 Před 25 dny

    People like Tyler is why home schooling needs to be heavily regulated.

  • @tedgrant2
    @tedgrant2 Před 4 lety +3

    My dog has got 18 toes, therefore there are 18 persons in one god.

  • @modemmack
    @modemmack Před 4 lety +4

    Why is that mostly Southerners call in?

  • @jezpin3638
    @jezpin3638 Před 3 lety

    The Power Ranger analogy 🤣🤣🤣 everytime I watch I think he can't get nerdier 😘😘😘

  • @imagomonkei
    @imagomonkei Před 4 lety +2

    I wish I had been on that panel! For several years before leaving the faith altogether, I was a Unitarian Christian. The Father is God, Jesus is not. Eric and Vi did a great job, but there was so much more they could've gotten into on this subject.

  • @pernilsson2394
    @pernilsson2394 Před 4 lety +4

    No Tyler. You havent proved the god of the bible. Pls try again.

  • @tedgrant2
    @tedgrant2 Před 4 lety +6

    The four horsemen of the Apocalypse were the Beatles
    And the breastplates are their guitars.
    It's obvious man !
    Weed.

    • @tedgrant2
      @tedgrant2 Před 4 lety

      @IVAN KRAWEC
      As the angels said to Jesus, "RISE"
      They wanted him to start Helter Skelter

  • @TheWidowmaker430
    @TheWidowmaker430 Před 4 lety +2

    Should've used a captain planet reference Eric lol

  • @boomanshadow5537
    @boomanshadow5537 Před 4 lety +2

    I have never laughed out loud so hard at a caller. What has our educational system done?

  • @nickokona6849
    @nickokona6849 Před 4 lety +3

    I'll bet this guy has never done even one science class.

  • @georgesmith2905
    @georgesmith2905 Před 2 lety

    The more wrong you show me to be, the more correct I am. That's an incredible stance.

  • @earthboundmisfit2300
    @earthboundmisfit2300 Před 4 lety

    I enjoyed Tyler's tap dancing towards the end

  • @bradensorensen966
    @bradensorensen966 Před 4 lety

    I used to come to this channel just for Matt--love Dilohunty--but I really like everyone now!

  • @rayxav
    @rayxav Před 3 lety +1

    I tried arguing with one of my dogs about running into the street. He just kept repeating himself just like this caller.

  • @93lozfan
    @93lozfan Před 3 lety

    I grew up Catholic and the best way I was able to explain the trinity to other people was that it's the same god, but depending on the situation you'll see him through different lenses. The catechism (a book you should read if you'll debate a Catholic) says that it's helpful to sometimes describe these as avatars of the same god, especially if you're speaking with someone who comes from Eastern disciplines like Hindu where some of their gods have avatars. Hope that helps anyone who's confused about where this guy is coming from.

  • @shoestring230
    @shoestring230 Před 4 lety +2

    "The universe is composed of the trinity of time, space and matter.." I would argue that you could add energy to that mix, breaking the trinity. If anyone argues back that Einstein proved that matter and energy are the same thing then I would use the same equation to argue that so are time and space the same thing - breaking the trinity again.

  • @LUSCIOUSDUNCAN
    @LUSCIOUSDUNCAN Před 3 lety +1

    "too much proof"
    i'm dying

  • @Hobo_Jelly
    @Hobo_Jelly Před 4 lety +2

    Firmament is the atmosphere? Where is the water supposed to be above it?

  • @bobcloughjr
    @bobcloughjr Před 2 lety +1

    Funniest thing just happened.
    I was listening to this as I was driving to a client today, when I suddenly saw a work van with the company artwork and name which was "Trinity Solar" 🤣 as I was listening.
    Had it been a theist in my shoes they surely would have seen it as a divine sign from above.

  • @lionheart7762
    @lionheart7762 Před 4 lety

    Me: Oh, yay... Tyler’s back

  • @cutecatgirlnya
    @cutecatgirlnya Před 3 lety

    I feel Vi's expressions through this whole call

  • @Templetonq
    @Templetonq Před 4 lety

    I can give you a precise analogy: The Hindu trinity of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. In the ancient world, gods were routinely split or merged or identified to reflect changes in their understanding of the forces of nature. They had more poetic sensibilities than we do today. When you try to to understand poetry with the intellect you get these sorts on conundrums.
    That's a bit oversimplified but that's the gist of it.

  • @pelgrim8640
    @pelgrim8640 Před 3 lety

    The time ranger, the space ranger and the matter ranger.
    Damn, that would be an epic show or comic series!

  • @basicmountaingriff
    @basicmountaingriff Před 2 lety +1

    "the power rangers are not three in one coming together instantaneously"
    I see somebody hasn't watched the shows and seen them fuse into a giant robot

  • @Ozone280
    @Ozone280 Před 4 lety +3

    Instead of looking at the Triune nature of the universe to prove god, he should be looking at the mountains of evidence against his particular god existing in the first place. Geology, history, cosmology, biology and archaeology - instead of ignoring it.

  • @CPCGamer
    @CPCGamer Před 4 lety +2

    In Pokemon you choose from a Fire, Water or Grass starter. That's three things. The trinity is also three things. PRAISE HELIX!

  • @basba_qal
    @basba_qal Před 4 lety

    Hats OFF to you guys having to put up with such "folks".
    I'll be DANGED!

  • @BinarySecond
    @BinarySecond Před 3 lety

    I love that eric got this guy to agree to a comparison between god and the power rangers.

  • @MrGreensweightHist
    @MrGreensweightHist Před 4 lety

    Tyler's quote about "break every yoke" was NOT an abolition of slavery.
    It was about freeing the oppressed ONE time as part of a holiday celebration.

  • @nelsrinden510
    @nelsrinden510 Před 4 lety +2

    WOW! I have been wrong all these years. I always thought the Holy Trinity was onion, celery, and green pepper. Guess I', wrong.

  • @TyphoidBryan
    @TyphoidBryan Před 4 lety

    Not older than "The Matrix" movies, dismisses energy as an essential component of the universe. Tyler is amazing!

  • @afroatheist-isnowafroantit6154

    This was funny...😆

  • @absquereligione5409
    @absquereligione5409 Před 3 lety

    “It’s beyond our understanding” But I do understand 😳😳