Mongolic: meet a language family, including Para-Mongolic
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- čas přidán 12. 05. 2024
- Meet the Mongolic languages. Mongolian, Mongguor, Mangghuer, Moghol and more!
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~ Briefly ~
Take a journey across the entire Mongolic language family in under eleven minutes. Here we learn about the basic traits inherited from Proto-Mongolic, then get brief introductions to the Central, Southern (Qinghai-Gansu), Western (Moghol) and Eastern (Dagur) branches of the family. I take a moment to mention recent attempts to use Khitan and other evidence to extend the family back to a pre-Mongolic Xianbei or Serbi. Finally, I share why Mongolists find family trees insufficient for explaining these unique languages.
~ Credits ~
Art, narration and animation by Josh from NativLang. Outro theme, too.
All other music by Kevin MacLeod - please see sources doc below for full credits.
My doc full of sources for claims and credits for music, sfx, fonts and images:
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Agglutination, vowel harmony and no grammatical gender. These tongues may not be Uralic or Turkic, but the similarities are still fascinating!
This is due to the fact that once the Korean Uralic Turkic and Mongolian languages came from the same region and were neighbors. This is northern China, i.e. Manchuria.
I thought the Uralic languages originated in west/central Russia
@@centralasia186 Yes, some very powerful areal features and strata at play!
@@FairyCRat The Ural genetic haplogroup N1 appeared on northern China. And then through Siberia it spread to the north-west. But the Uralic languages are very ancient compared to Mongolian or Turkic.
Skip the vowel harmony and you might be talking about Basque
I hope you are well. May some language love help you pass the time. Life was different when this narration was recorded. So will it be trees, waves or onions?
I hope you are well too.
Much love
I’ll almost be fluent in Italian by the time this ends due to all of this free time!
You’re the man, love this channel
@@jetwaffle1116 Buon lavoro😉
Greetings from Mongolia! Your previous video about Mongol language was spot on!
Hello from New York!
Hello from near your antipodes, in Patagonia Argentina :D
mini francis yes it’s pretty much the same, but Mongolian Cyrillic has some extra letters like ө,у
@@Ida-xe8pg thats correct.
@@Ida-xe8pg well, replaced our way of writing with Cyrillic which happened to be quite adaptive and adjustable for our language. But phonetically there are differences since they are different languages by their origins. For example as Bold-ochir mentioned we have extra made up letters such as ө and ү.
9:49 I knew it, Serbs were behind the Mongols after all!
mongolija je srbija
Nje, Mongolja je Jugoslavije
Deretic was right all along!
Chinggis Khan is proud to be a S E R B
Bog je Serbin!
I have never, ever heard of a devoiced vowel before. That was confusing
Japanese has them too!
Alice Wyan so desu!
European Portuguese has it. Some Uto-Aztecan languages too. It may happen due to vowel reduction.
Alice Wyan oh is that what those u’s are at the end of words like desu, I had a single year of Japanese in high school before switching to russian for the rest of my time, and always found that desu thing confusing.
Also Central Mexican Spanish has them!
As a - yes - Mongolist who has been living with and working on all this for quite some time, I want to say that there is nothing in this contribution I would feel the urge to complain about. Very well done, please keep up the good work.
Yeah, he does his research to make his videos as accurate as possible. Same with Langfocus, though he focuses on languages themselves rather than their glottochronological history.
Сайн байна! Би буряад хэлэн һурганаб
Hello to my mongolian brothers! I am learning Buryat language, I hope we will use it more often in Buryatia.
WA WO WAWO WA WO JA
I think I should learn it too! I currently live in the U.S. but it would be good to remember one of my family's languages there :)
Buriad helee sain suraarai
Круто, успехов 👍
Mend amor
0:27 "I got _animated_ about..."
I see what you did there.... I see it.
"I get animated" Cute. Love the stories and the feeling you put behind them.
Makes it easier to learn if the person talking shows intrest or passion. College and University are annoying becuase teachers sound so disintrested and miserable that its hard to get engrossed.
I love these youtube videos where the speakers sounds so enthralled by what he is talking about, and so excited to be able to share his knowledge with the world, that you just get so engrossed in the story he is telling.
On the other hand most teachers show so little passion that students get bored and zone out, it becomes like a series of meaningless sounds and information that quickly leaves you're head. Making notes a neccisity as ypu would forget it otherwise as they put no effot into making it easy to remember, relying on rote memorization.
If the teacher dosn't care about the subject, he can't expect his students to care. That is at least my take on the matter, on what the _modus operendi_ of teachers and teaching should be.
Why not a Mongolic tumbleweed? The branches are separate from each other, but they're also entangled and intertwined.
So Mongolic family is technically inbred
Makes sense 🤔.
Also like onions, when you mess with Mongols, you cry.
Laughs in Mamluk...
Laughs in Japanese.
Almost all asians have Mongolian DNA. *GENGHIS KHAN ROFL*
Can confirm...
LAUGHS IN VIETNAMESE
I'm currently learning Mongolian, and it really is a wonderful language. Also, I think you worry too much that if your videos are full of purely facts and examples they might get too dry, but I'm sure none of us mind.
What's your mother tongue?
me too! the only issue I'm facing is lack of motivation to learn it consistently, due to laziness 😅
Laziness is not an issue, bcs I live in Mongolia and forced to learn mongolian.
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@@epewx6667 хөөрхий амьтан чи чаднаа
Everytime I see that you've uploaded a new video, I get so hyped up! I never knew that learning about language could go farther than just learning how to communicate with others, and I'm totally here for it! Please continue making these videos, even if it takes awhile. I'll wait as long as it takes!
Thank you for sharing another excellent video with us! I hope you’re doing well. We love your content, and language.
Whoohoo! One more video about our language. Thank you so much! You're helping us re-learn our history and language. :)
I shared this link today with my SIL. I hope she enjoys this as much as I have. So much info in such a short video. Thank you. Always enjoy your new videos.
Love your videos. Whenever they pop up on my subscription list, they immediately get out at the very top of my to watch list.
these videos are always an adventure, especially during times like these
stay safe out there nativlang
fantastic to see you with regular uploads
This is one of my favourite videos that you've done. A lot of them, while interesting and entertaining, leave me generally unsatisfied and wanting more. The way you dug in and got into the nitty-gritty of the whole family and its history was excellent. I hope you do more videos like this.
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I'm really glad this less casual, more in-depth style of video is back! I got a bit nervous during the Georgian video and the first and to a lesser extent second episode of Mayan tenselessness that these vids were going to get more and more shallow as time went on. Keep up the good work, and hope things continue this way! Look forward to the wave model.
The "Cthulhu Association" welcomes its new member: Khalkh.
Cthulhu ftagn just means "good morning" in Mongolian.
I prefer the original name for the "Cuthullu Mythos", that being "Yog-Sothothery". Which makes more sense as all things are one within Yog-Sothoth.
@@andreaslind6338 no in mongolian it is Ögloniï ménd
@@m.kostoglod7949 they were joking
@Mr. Infinity I can’t help but feel there’s a connection to Finnish ”Hyvää huomenta.” Specifically between ”ménd” and ”huoMENTa”. I guess ’Sprachbund’ struck again. 😆
This is one of my favourite episodes to date! Amazing work!
Ah, I've missed your videos! Thank you for this awesome explanation of the layers of Mongolic
I love how educational it is. I’d never heard much about these languages or even places until you made a video.
Greetings from Mongolia! I love how you are studying Mongolian and revealing info that I, even as a Mongol, had not known before (I speak khalkha obviously). Keep up the good work!
Great, video. I really enjoy these longer, in depth videos.
Yayy! This language family is super interesting. I'm glad you took a deeper dive into the whole thing. I'd love to see more videos like this about overarching language families and their origins and relations. Maybe a look into Altaic as a whole? Or the differences between Japonic and Koreanic languages?
Awesome as ever! thanks for the knowledge and lang!
I really enjoy your videos about the origins and connections of languages, Mongol as been a favorite of mine for a while now so this video is two times enjoyable!
Amazing video I look forward to every single post on this channel 10/10
Yay! I like these in-depth language analyses, although the historical overviews of past videos were also quite cool, possibly even better than the in-depth-ness.
Among all other linguistic youtuber, NativLang is on a whole new level. He must be a PhD in linguistics.
Awesome, love these journey across the steppes. Would always love to see more.
Thank you for posting these informative animated videos. Quite interesting and useful knowledge. Thank you for your flexible, progressive approach in sharing this knowledge and thank you for sharing. Great video.
Nativlang, I hope someday you will make a video on Bantu noun classes.
Ekmal Sukarno Aren’t there, like, 25 of them?
Bushwhacker 1278 Regarding Bantu noun classes, I don't know how many of them there are.
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I love this stuff so much!
Thank you!
These are always fun to watch. Thanks, stay healthy
Amazing! Let's keep this going. More historical linguistics, please!
A really interesting video! The Mongolic languages are ones you rarely, if ever get to hear about, so it's wonderful that you've taken the effort to present its features and history in so many videos. It's a fascinating family, how it's spread, and how Kalmyk still stays present, far, far for the Mongolic heartland.
Khalmyks are Oirat Mongolic people who had to been separated from the motherland Mongolia. They had to settle deep in Russian land due to a bitter and tragic historic event.
so exciting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this is exactly what i needed
I get so happy every time you post a video :)
Great video! I was very excited for wake up to this in my feed!
i love your videos about different language families!!
great video, I would love to see more explorations of language families particularly those less commonly learned in the west, particularly I would love to hear more about a family you mentioned here, the Tungusic languages.
Why ? It's dead
@@user-mm8fh5ie1b as far as I understand the Tungusic language family is not dead, there are at least a few still living if endangered Tungusic languages, admittedly according to Wikipedia, there are some 75,000 native speakers. as to why I think it would be intersting to learn about them, well, IDK gotta pick something
Where u r meet the tungusic people? They extinct in Russia and in China, they no more manchu and evenki can communicate in they native language! They assimilated by chinese and russians respectively that’s end of tungusic race.::....... :)
I've been hoping you'd do Mongolic - thank you! Excellent video :)
Great video NativLang! Appreciate it.
just more
just gimme more of that brilliant content
I love these in depth language family showcase videos, I love your content!
I love these videos! Keep up the good work, they're always fantastic!
Loved this episode. The Mongolic family seems so fascinating!
Thanks for a such educational videos. Animations are so good too. Keep do what you doing man
Fascinating. Please keep on.
Yayyyyyyyyyy finally a new video
thank you for your hard work
Thank you for making this video:)
Thank you. You are some kind of super hero when it comes to languages! I love all your videos. I would love if you did a video on Afrikaans, my mother tongue. It should be extremely easy for you, since it's not a complicated language derived from dutch and extremely similar to Belgian (Flaams). PS. Thanks for all the hard work you put in for these videos.
youre doing gods work. keep on keeping on!!
There are some weird similarities with Finnish. there is the difference between back and front vowels and the word kele in that old mongolian is kieli in finnish (meaning the same thing)
edit: vowel harmony in old mongolic, finnish and ungarian which is kinda interesting 🤔🤔🤔
another edit: many noun cases in all 3 languages
And with Hungarian too.
Oh, and "blue" is "kék" in Hungarian.
Finnish and Hungarian are related, though quite distantly by now, they're both members of the Uralic languages, which are hypothesised to originate around, well, the Urals. Which is absolutely fascinating, because what's *also* incredibly similar is the Turkic family, including (obviously) Turkish, all are heavily agglutinative, with loads of cases and lots of derivational suffixes, vowel harmony systems... It's so wild how seemingly every language family from the Eurasian steppes seems to approach grammar in almost the same way
@@zsoltsandor3814
🇰🇿Kök / Gök🇹🇷
🇲🇳 köke / Ğöke
🇭🇺 kék
🇰🇿 Alma/Elma🇹🇷
🇲🇳. Alm
🇭🇺 Alma
🇰🇿Baatur/Batur🇹🇷
🇲🇳Bateer
🇭🇺Bátor
🇰🇿Saqal/Sakal🇹🇷
🇲🇳Soqol
🇭🇺Szakall
🇰🇿Sarı🇹🇷
🇲🇳Shar
🇭🇺Sárga
The sounds is similar when saying these words.
@@zsoltsandor3814 and Kök is blue / sky in (old) Turkic
@@ers4690 what would Alm and Zsakal mean? As a Hungarian, I do not recognize them. However, alma means apple, and sakál means jackal. Maybe you mixed them up?
Very cool, thanks NativLang
"One of the most common sounds in the world: /p/"
يبكي بالعربية
😄
Haha poor Arabic!
@Andrew Goering It was a joke.
What about /dʒ/
@@juch3 They have a [d͡ʒ] sound ج (Classicial) but it has different pronunciations in Maghreb and some of the levanti dialects [ʒ] and Egypt [g]
I love this stuff. Thanks!
Thank you for this. Awesome video. :)
I'd love to see you do a video on Dravidian languages, especially on Brahui the language used in Afghanistan and Balochistan which is Dravidian but is isolated and far away from South India
OMG YES DRAVIDIAN LANGUAGES! I would love to see that as well!
Is that the language that might be a descendant of Harappan?
YES!!
@Master Yoda we know that Indus River valley descended into many civilisations, it probably gave birth to proto Dravidian. And then Tamil. But so many dialects of it descended many other languages. We find Kannada. A few old inscriptions. Proving the Dravidians were in the north. We know that Dravidians were the first migrators to India, they first arrived in ice age. Once the fall of the Harappan civilisation due to climate change, they went to other rivers. One of the rivers is suspected to be the Saraswati river that arrives in Hindu mythology. I theorise that the Dravidians documented, long enough for the Aryans to incorporate both the river and the prototype of lord Shiva. The Aryans included the god that the Dravidians prayed just to make them practice the new religion. Archeologists still wonder what caused the Dravidians to be pushed back to the south. Some say the Aryans were a fighting tribe.
@@WealdaLupinus I mean, they’re is references where Indo-Aryans mention that they kicked out the Dasa’s out of Punjab. Maybe the Dasa’s were Dravidians? But the most likely theory is that Brahui migrated to modern day Pakistan in the 1000 because it lacks vocabulary from Avestan.
I had no idea double declension was an actual phenomenon. That is incredibly cool, to think of all the possibilities it enables!
Add it to your conlang!
@@tomrogue13 Already have ;)
@@Saturos02 awesome! I'm struggling with one declension lol
RIP Golden Sun
Loved it!
I loved this new episode !
Amazing, very informative, especially for fellow linguists
Nice work!
The change from kaxan to kaan is interesting, because referencing from the Chinese poem, Ballet of Mulan, the word khan is 克汗, pronounced in Mandarin as "kehan" [kɤxan], Cantonese as "hakhon" [hɐk̚hɔn]. This linked up for me personally much more between the Chinese and English pronunciation.
Well done. I forget most English parts of speech anyway, then you add new ones which evaded me somehow. Still, I love the topic, because it shows how tribes and nations moved around and impacted each other, rising and falling, yielding linguistic hegemony or at least allowing another language to alter their own - fascinating. We're so clearly wired off language, makes me almost sentimental.
Finally a video about Finland
No i think it was about Greece
Ты откуда знаеш ? Славянин? Много обших слов и выражений, построения предложения с венграми чем с финнами
How original
@Kee R Видимо у них там в Финляндии это типо считается шуткой.
@Kee R The video was about Mongolic, yes; not Finland/Finnish; but genetically we are almost certainly more closely related to Mongols than Scandinavians, which we are all too often mistaken for. Still, not very closely at all, but that just goes to show you, how little relation we have to Scandinavians, or other Nordics. It’s like Estonians and Baltics; or Celtic and Turkic peoples. 🙂
I enjoy watching your videos.
It's good to see something like this again. Thank you.
Love your videos 👏
Excellent video!
köke/xöx (meaning 'blue')... that's damn close to 'kék' in Hungarian, which shares the meaning and quite some in terms of proncounciation.
Love watching your videos and on top finding out more and more about where we Hungarians may have been, hung out, came from, had possible interaction with. (And love the fact that I was the 1988th to like this video - it's my birth year).
actually you would be surprised to know how many similarities both languages have.
Valid for turkic branches too
Totally rad! Thanks a million!
I love these videos!!!
I’m waiting for the Tupian language family and how just one of its branches expanded and conquered all half of South America from Guyana to Uruguay, while the others divisions stayed mostly in the same area in the middle of the Amazon.
Similar to Austronesian where there’s great diversity in minuscule Taiwan but one branch ventured out to Madagascar and Hawaii and New Zealand
I'd love you to expand on converbs!
Ohhhh the noises that are so common are all so pretty. I'd love to learn one of these dialects
Excellent speaker!
Thanks. I was hoping for amore in depth look into grammar, vocabulary, and script.
Another fascinating and educational video. Well done!
On another matter, would you consider doing a video on the different Tai languages (Thai dialects, Lao etc.) or alternatively the languages of Thailand, Laos and neighbouring countries?
Heyyy i love your videos! Im learning so many things! Can you make a video about Greek Pontian Dialect?
This is so interesting!
@NativLang I'm intrigued by Dagur, would love to see a video exploring the Dagur language in more depth.
hey, i love your channel and it’s gotten me really interested in linguistics!! i was wondering if you’ve ever looked into norwegian in specific-the history behind the formation of its written forms and the hundreds of dialects is really interesting and i think you could have fun with the cultural debate about the difference in various consonant combinations :p
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Fascinating ! I love these videos of yours, please go on making them ! Now I'm practicing that suuuper weird L (I though icelandic had the weirdest one, but nope, there are more !)
PS. I'm on the onion side !
Love it!
At the start of the day I thought I it would be a bad day,
But when I saw this notification EVERYTHING got better
Sent you a hug from Brazil
i don't understand half of what you'r saying, yet i love it
keep it up
Mongolian here , i am so happy that you actually put so much effort to do this ! 😌
I like your idea of a wave model. That’s where people go wrong in studying Altaic in general. And mongol would be a good start to demonstrate languages families unfurled many way, not just the Indo-European model. When you try to apply indo-European “laws” to nomadic people with varying degrees of contact and reencounter through history, you start to see those languages take a different route.
new video hype!
A video idea (that I'm sure you've thought of / had suggested but here we go) - if you you were to assemble a language from the most elegant, expressive, and interesting parts of the many languages you've researched for your videos, what would that language sound like and what would its grammar and writing system look like?
Lovely video
Please do a video on the Yakut and other Turkic-Siberian languages. What lies north of Mongolia has always fascinated me!
I find linguistics fascinating but die to a lack of resources I can’t really explore my interest in it, you video help give me an avenue to explore my interest.
"should we even be describing mongolic with the tree model?"
*Deleuze and Guttari have entered the chat*
Y’all mind if I
r h i z o m e
calypsis Who or what are Deleuze and Guttari? 🙂
@@littleolliebenjy a philosopher and psychoanalyst who proposed an alternative to the usual tree model of thinking, called a rhizome, where there is no clear start or end and instead just a mass of interconnected roots (like ginger root, for example)
Dude I came here to say this! Rhizomes!!
However, you spelled Guattari's name wrong!