New BMW M3 - Better in Competition Spec? - Two Takes
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The BMW M3 is now the size of the E39 BMW M5, which is actually fine, since the E39 M5 was basically perfect. In competition trim you only get an 8-speed automatic, and our press car is fully loaded up with crazy options, costing just under $100,000. While we weren't the biggest fans of the two-door M4, re-framing the whole package as a sedan changes our tune quite a bit. Matt and Zack have a morning blast in the ugliest, but fastest BMW M3 in history.
BMW provided the vehicle, insurance, and a tank of fuel for this review.
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The M mode button my guy, the M mode button on the center console next to the shifter. Solves your tach problem
It looks like they never do any research on the cars they'll be driving.
But doesn't that also change the suspension settings ? or is that configurable on the M mode as well ?
@@volakha nope M mode only changes the displays, The M1 AND M2 buttons on the steering wheel change the settings for suspension, engine etc.
@@volakha configurable.
@@empty3081 Ahh I see ... thanks for letting me know. Obviously it goes without saying that I dont even have enough money to look at one of these cars, let alone have driven one lol
Zack, you said you’re 39?! Would have never said that you’re older than 30. Looking good!!
Legit blew my mind. I thought the guy was like 28.
Yeah, he and Matt are very close if not identical in age. Zack is going to look like he's 20 well into his 40s and 50s.
@@Rendclaw damn wish i had those genetics im 30 and looking 50, but i am a doctor so i guess i fit the stereotype the patients want to see
@@DrHistoryV make sure to take care of yourself too!
You have to switch to M mode to have the tach change to the middle. Makes it easier to see. The button is to the left of the shifter.
Yeah theyre pretty noobs about that especially Zach being a M owner
Also surprised they didnt utilize the heads up display
@@marccandrift they can’t see the HUD w/ polarized glasses on.
They don’t have HUD, looks like standard lights = no Executive Package.
@@marccandrift Being a M owner of an older car has nothing to do with him being a “noob”. He Owns an analog E46. They didn’t have fancy HUDs or digital displays back then. This gauge cluster is completely new for this generation of course they’re not gonna know the ins and outs immediately lmao
BMW Engineering Dept. "Well done gentleman, one of the finest driving cars on the road today. The ultimate driving machine" BMW Design Dept. "Fuck you guys"
LMAO
🤣🤣👏🏼
ya those colors and grill are pretty fuckin hideous
Yeah, It still looks like a big angry insect that smashed into a horses' ass.
I think it was probably the other way around; the engineering depertment said we need this much area to cool the engine and fuck your pretty desings. I think they either had the option to have a big opening below the grill that would have looked like a fish's mouth or enlarge the kidney grill.
BMW kidneys are straight up lungs now
That's an ass imprint... like from a photocopier or something.
The start stop off is the best think BMW did with this car.
You can turn it off in any car though.
@@carlsagan3065 but in the BMW it stays off. In my VW it doesn't, but I fixed it with VCDS.
@@dragospahontu You need to ob2 it off for it to stay off in the bmw. But then it's just off forever. This is the first bmw I've heard of it staying off from the button. I suppose they're finally learning.
@@carlsagan3065 yup!
The F90 M5 has it as well
the grill is just a driving meme
It's Marketing Strategy and it's working well for BMW
@@GoBrand0n more like hero and villain, but are famous for different reason, bmw decide to make cars ugly as fuck for stormy clickbait on the internet(thus more rich brainless people see the cars and buy it) . Even a blind person will be thankful not to see this car.
@@dylandoge1627 hahaha so true
@Vq37 hr 😄 like I mentioned previously, a poll from rich brainless people, just like a buyers poll for the mini to make it bigger and uglier.
It's some kind of ugly
BMW used to have perfect analog gauges that they kept with for a very long time. As soon as they went digital, they ruined them.
I didn’t think that car could get uglier, but wow, look at that color combo.... they must have picked it with a dartboard.
It’s worse in person too, I saw a yellow one and thought “by the gods, what have they done”
@@dominicancheif117 I’m in the business, I have already had to get 3 or 4 customers out of it because they can’t get used to how TRULY ghastly this thing looks. The performance doesn’t cover the delta between hideous looks and driver enjoyment to be worth owning
well.. Joe Achilles (youtuber) has one in shiny dark blue and it looks sexy as hell
this car looked like a mixture of pea soup and urine So bad. At least if it had been bright orange or something that would have been more palatable
I always like the collaborative reviews and appreciate Zach's seat feedback especially when Matt drives.
I didn't want the carbon seats but I love the performance. So I lost 21 pounds and ordered the normal seats 🤣
still prefer Giulia Quadrifoglio... Just something about Alfas
The 90 degree high revving twin turbo V6? The dual clutch trans? The sexy beautiful looks that make girls turn their heads (for once)? Yeah, Alfa pleaseee
must be the reliability
@@only140 30,000 on my Qv and 70,000 overall in the new alfas and no problems like my porsche and audis had
@@jeffrey-f what's it like having money?
@@alf2633 not money lol just a car addiction
"it doesn't feel nose heavy" *shows the giant front grill.
It looks nose heavy
This man gets it lol
The nose isn't just heavy, it's consuming all light and matter within its orbit.
It weighs 4000 pounds its heavy everywhere
@@chinchy111 liar hahaha.
This review along with a few others helped me when optioning my car. I wanted manual, but wasn’t sure on the seats. In the end, I opted against them since this is my daily driver as well. I couldn’t be happier.
That’s the ugliest grill in history
the best is yet to come😂
So you've never seen 1938 328?
Or Edsel?
Isetta & 700 didn't even get a grille, just fridge door & motorcycle engine in arse end.
@@akawaisiu2399 i4, iX & 2 dozen other neu EV.
This or the 2019 Camaro SS in the similar Shock color are close contenders for the worst.
the front is disgusting
So is your mother, but the streets don't complain
Zack: "This car is lighter than it's competition.."
Now I gotta be that asshole that fact checks you because the Guilia Quadrifoglio is actually lighter 😆
And a lot slower! They need new generation but I think it will never come. :/
@@Flexo_l i don't think it's any slower
@@zatharos6427 for such a small lap that is a lot I think. Don't get me wrong. I think alfa is a great car but it's not up to date. Tehnology wise it can't even compete with the last generation m3. Next generatio will probably be full electric.
That's because parts are always falling out of it.
@@Flexo_l No to full electric. That wouldn’t be smart from a business perspective as the people who buy the Giulia QV are in it for the drama and experience of the engine considering it was made by Ferrari. Plus, its Italian, a full electric sports car is still a decade or so in front us of them in terms of adoption. All the Italian brands are holding on to their internally combustion engines for as long as they can. As for the lap, its competitive. Not “a lot” that was less than half a second. Its still competitive despite its age as very obviously there will be a new generation Giulia. Technology wise, it doesnt matter. You buy these cars for how they drive. In that case, the Alfa has been noted multiple times to beat the old F80 series M cars.
Ok, so for $100k - this horrendous thing -or, the nicest E39 M5 you can find for $70k AND a $30k M3 (E46 or E9x)?
You make a good point. You can get a decent E39 M5 for 30-40k, and then get an E90. It’d be cheaper than this. But I still think the non-comp M3 with the 6 speed is really good. Much better than F80. Not in terms of looks, but driving-wise this is much better tuned to handle its power than the F80 ever did. If it drives well, that’s all I care about. Plus, the proportions actually look ok on the M3, while the M4 looks terrible. Especially from the side where you notice how weird the back looks.
E46 for fun and weekends and a $5k Acura for daily use. Spend the rest on gas, tires, and track days!
@@infidel900rr this guy gets it
Genius
No matter how you look at it I would never be able to justify spending 100k new on a m3. I'd just put 48k in the nicest mk5 supra I could find in red🤩 and then maybe spend the rest on something that is appreciating but still dailyable like a Lexus lx470 (06-07 model year) or GX470 and maybe do some light off road mods and save the rest
I think I might be the only person who actually likes the new grille lol
No you are not. I picked my 2023 g80 comp xdrive this past weekend. It’s new so I am going to adhere to the break but it’s an amazing car. It’s better looking in person
I love the mid-review swap to hear both of their thoughts! Love the minor changes we've been getting from the one takes!
As far as the gauge cluster is concerned-there is a M sport setting where the cluster changes to the middle and is larger and easier to see. Then of course there is a heads up display that has different modes for better visuals if its needed. From just the speed in digital form to a full tachometer.
Love your impersonation of Jonny Lieberman, spot on!
That NSX in the back
Great review as always guys. Regarding the tach, hope you guys are using the HUD as well for reference. Maybe your super cool sunglasses are blocking that. Keep up the good work!
He is colorblind so he cant see them anyways....
I'm glad you mentioned the colour choices. As they are sooo badly matched. reminds me of a Aventador that's been for sale in the UK for AGES. It's turquoise outside with a complete orange interior that's highlighted in turquoise... Must of been a footballer who ordered it.
And the nose kidneys have gotten so big it's basically a 1930 Bugatti grill
I was looking at the configurator and man, an M4 comp in Isle of Man Green with white leather inside looks amazing. You don't even have to go as far as comparing it to a Bugatti, just look at the BMW 328 from the 1930s.
Link? I love this wacky color combos.
Great video!
LOL, I have the Andre Agassi Donnay tennis racket 🎾 you are referring to, still hangs on my wall, won a state championship with that thing. Still love looking at that thing to this day, a thing of beauty.
I never understood why with BMW's digital dash they don't give you the option of having a traditional looking speedometer and tachometer as an overlay with navigation.
8:25 don’t forget about the other digital dash mode that brings everything more in center line of the driver
@Zack love the vid; what was that watch you were wearing?
I love the E39 comparison. I drove the manual M4, thinking about it as a replacement for my weekend car, and it's not; it's a daily. The M3 is a baby M5 and a perfect daily. Now I have to figure out how to get one.
As someone who was absolutely obsessed with BMWs, and M cars in particular, growing up in the 90s: this car does nothing for me.
Ditto. I was a fanboy all the way; owned E93 and F80 M3, F83 M4, F85 X5M and F10 M5. This is the first year since 2010 I haven't owned a BMW and I can't say I have any desire to go back.
@@stevehinkley9099 I have a E92 M3 and I just got a 2021 Camaro LT1 and the driving dynamics are BMW-esque but you have the added benefit of torque, and still an NA V8
@@mastoslayerica How do you like the LT1? I used to think only Germans could truly make performance cars but American rides have been very impressive lately.
@@stevehinkley9099 I love the LT1. The interior is downgrade compared to the E92M3 but the torque is phenominal , 50% more than the M-Car and it still pulls hard all the way to redline. The steering is quick with good feel, it corners flat and brakes are strong. The visiiblity is not great but you get used to it. The A10 trans is much faster than the DCT in an E92 and the manual is solid from what I've read.
Call me when I can get the S58 in the next M2 model.
This is the answer
about the remembering settings, could be that this is specially changed for America. Here in Europe we have the settings that get wiped after a start because it is legally required to be there to comply with emissions... obviously that could be different from model to model depending on how they managed to meet their emissions though. but thats the reason behind it. very very annoying driving an automatic transmission with start-stop shutting off on you when you're the first in line at a stop sign....
The seats are $3800 but you get TWO seats though. So thats $1900 for one, there is not a single electronically adjustable carbon fiber bucket seat on the market or aftermarket that can do what these seats do for at that price point, on top of that the come with an OEM warranty. That's a lot of value for the seats alone, regardless of how you personally feel about them/ how they are used.
Not really, BMW is charging you $3800 EXTRA over the cost of a standard seat. You have to take into account how much the standard seats are worth.
Yes I remember CONTRA!!!! All KONAMI games had the 30 man cheat code. Thanks ZACH
You know when you get that awesome feel and you turn around to look back at your car as you walk away....well.... I ain't turning back to look at this thing 🤣
The grille is growing on me I’m starting to like the look of it
I will never purchase another BMW in my lifetime (F01 class action) but these new front ends have made my decision a lot easier to stomach.
Nice Johnny L impression Matt. Spot on Sir 👌🏽
Gotta love that this is the first car ever which looks better with a front license plate
Especially a wide European plate.
Nothing can fix the looks of this car.
This need to be tested in a track like road Atlanta.
You never had a review on the m340i which is less than an m3 but feels very good to drive.
I have a m340i , you are welcome to test drive.
Hope Toyota put that engine in the MK5 Supra. With a some weight reduction it could be special.
According to Matt apparently "BMW has thrown its ultimate driving machine cred out the window" when test driving the Acura TL Type S hmmm.....
Looks like I picked a good time to move to Porsche 😄 although still keeping my E92 M3 forever.
Smart move, obviously you're not gonna sell it but these new BMW's are making all the older ones go up in value lol
@@BrainFuck10 I can't lie, it is tempting! I'd probably regret it though 😭
The e92 has held its value the best of the newer gen 3s. Especially in Australia anyway. I'd hold on to it for a long long time to come. Even if you don't look to sell. Hell of a car... Coming from an AMG owner
@@sheshd so true brother! My father in law actually lives in Brisbane and he was telling me how they've held value. He was looking for either an E92 or an E46 and said prices are out of this world. I think if either my E92 M3 or my 981CS had to go, I'd probably part with the Cayman over the M.
Imma have to with Matt on this one; the Competition model has really been slotted to seem more like an AMG C63"S". An M3 CS may be more akin to a Porsche GT3, and justify such "extravagant" seats
“I’m glad the front tires aren’t wide” No they’re 275s. 🤣🤣🤣
Is the engine noise authentic or from speakers
8:31 Uhh.. just like the previous generation (which I daily drive) there's an entire digital tachometer + speedo built into the Head's Up display. I never look at my tach, I have one that's floating on the road at all times!
Hey guys! Love your reviews....that grill is growing on a bit....? Matt you were complaining about not seeing the tach...does it come a heads up display
Same over here… not sure why but it is..
Front is like a bastardized Alfa Romeo
Lol
Even that’s an insult to Alfa Romeo design
The heads up display in my 2020 M550i with that gauge cluster has a digital rev counter in the heads up display that i use 90% of the the time because i cant see the one in the dash. does this M3 not have that?
The M software has a Tach in M mode that turns it into a vertical bar in the center like a power meter
Thanks for the review, Matt can you ask Zack what he thinks about the M2 Comp with Noelle performance tune and how it compares to this M3 Comp. I currently have and F80 Comp with the Noelle performance tune and I’m curious how they stack up. Thanks
here u go. if it can beat an M5 comp, i'm pretty sure it can also beat an M3 comp! czcams.com/video/FuyJZsPi3CQ/video.html
in a year or 2, I want to pick up a bmw. Would you pick this car or a 2018 m3 cs?
Thanks for the offtherecord discount!!!!
9:27 "this lump... where your balls don't go" LMAO!
You guys gotta get your hands on the guila GTM !!
BMW gotta be in my top 5 car manufacturers but I can’t seem to get over that front grill it just don’t look right
I can totally get over the exterior, but i just cannot accept the gauge cluster
Do you have a Mach 1 review coming out?
how did they not know you can change the gauge layout?
Do they still offer the 4 series gran coupe? Seems more redundant then ever if so.
Their is an alternative gauge display which makes the tachometer bigger
I like how they blast past the 45 MPH doing like 70.
How about this car compared to BMW M2 CS? You did not seem to like the new M3 quite as much as the smaller M2. Which one would you have in your collection?
This thing hustles down the road. It’s not often that cars look fast from the GoPro shots, this one looks fast. Extremely fast.
I was never completely sold on the looks of the f80 M3; the front end looked too pinched and I couldn't get past the hood line lobotomy scar. I'm not totally sold on the looks of the g80 either; the grill isn't as bad in person but it's lost something overall that I can't put my finger on. That being said, I now have a new appreciation for the f80! And I have no plans of replacing my e46 M3. Ever. Great video as usual!
Yeah except the crank hub failures without warning on the S55
Nintendo joke got me 😂
"I am offended by the nose" Me as well!
Love a big juicy two take. When I dream of myself driving my dream cars, Zach and Matt are talking shit about my driving in the backseat (well most of my dream cars are two seaters so one of you in the passenger and the other in the fucking truck) you guys are dope
Are you guys both left handed? Noticing the watches on the right wrists...didn't notice that 2 years ago when I first watched this vid.
Its a shame to see that the “competition” version is the ideal M to get these days. Before you could just buy the normal M and it’ll still feel like a drivers car but in here the comp is almost a necessity to have a proper M3. I guess its what happens when you artificially limit a car on launch instead of giving the best to offer in the beginning and steadily improve it over the years of it’s life cycle
Proper M3 = 3 pedals
@@JoniSlavov no one asked
I support your argument, but im glad they make both
would it be accurate to say the old one gets you most of the way there performance wise, looks much better (grill, steering wheel, gauge cluster, etc.), obviously is much less expensive and therefore a better buy?
when is a good time to drive on this road ?
I was going to get a new G80 M3 comp but the dealer had a 2018 F80 M3 CS with low miles on it. I ended up with the M3 CS for one simple reason: the DCT. I drive in sequential mode 100% of the time and the ZF transmission does not have the feel I’m looking for in a sports car. The DCT is engaging, tactile, and vicious. It has a distinct character. The ZF might be more capable...but it doesn’t feel like anything. It shifts smooth like a Camry. If I was still shopping for new M3 I’d only consider the base model with the manual.
You made the right choice!
I've been saying the m2 is the real m3 for years. Ever since I was aware of the dimensions of the new models I made that assertion.
Well the M2 comp even has the correct motor so....
@@sheshd the M2C has better suspension also (second hand info from reviewers/owners), but the OG is slightly lighter and has slightly better weight distribution.
@@jsquared1013 oh yeah for sure. The real drivers car! Can't wait to pick one up! Gonna have to part ways with the AMG but 😢
14:20...Zach slinging CONTRA jokes!
Dude, it has a head-up display option so you can see the tach no problem.
Do you like he G80 M3 comp better than the F90 M5 comp ??
Optioned Carbon Ceramics, but didn't option the Exec package which includes the better looking lights and the HUD which solves all their Complaints..
That front end really just doesn’t look good at all 🤣 it didn’t when they first showed the new grill and it doesn’t now
OK Matt….this, or the C8? I wouldn’t use it as a daily driver, but also don’t mind the sedan form. Which car do you find more exciting and engaging? I’m on a waiting list for a C8, but oh so tempted by this last-of-a-generation beast from Germany
Great content as always. One question I have is why does the landscape always look so pixelated in your videos? even at a locked 1080p60 resolution. Is it something to do with the way CZcams's compression works? I wonder if it could be mitigated by uploading in 4k?
I'm watching it in 4k right now
It is in 4K and YT’s compression sucks. YT 4K is nothing like real 4K.
Ah my bad. The CZcams app on IOS apparently doesn't support anything over 1080p, something to do with the VP8 codec CZcams uses. Anyways watching it on a laptop in 4k does fix the problem somewhat but yeah CZcams's compression is still distorting the image somewhat.
Have you guys ever done a One/Two Take with a bone stock BMW M3/4 F8x?
Slightly off on the Konami Code recall, but I appreciated the reference nonetheless
Always preferred the M3 to the M4
Its the timeless original.
Always preferred the M3 when there was no M4
I always preferred the saloon version of the M3 to the coupe as well
Dudes, use the HUD for your RPM and shift lights…
6:35 where Toyota got the inspiration for the new Tacoma TRD color
Zach with the CAPCOM code on tap!!! 40 CREW! 🤘🏽
God that color combo is HIDEOUS
Agree to disagree
Baby poo. Kinda suits the front end. Aka it's all crap 😂
@@zatharos6427 Are you serious lol
unless the seat has an anti-submarine belt attachment under that carbon piece, then those ball busters are the dumbest thing ever.
the gt3 you were talking is actually gts in bmw nomenclature
Give me the most base version possible, auto or stick and call it a day. $90k for an M3 seems like way too much.
That's what you say but the people who actually BUY these cars new say otherwise. And BMW is gonna do what the buyer says.
Thanks for being honest about the seats. So many reviewers say the carbon buckets are comfortable, I’ve driven the car , their not, their rock hard and in my opinion completely unacceptable as a daily. Cheers guys.
You don't need to go for carbon seat. There is a normal seat which should be more comfortable.
Looks great from middle to back of car.
Honestly it's not even good looking from that POV either.
"Zachary, mob please"
Dang that color scheme is sick… the bad sick.
tst friends, can anyone here recommend a good shop for a ppi on a 2017 bmw m2 in West hills California or close. I am Michigan and don't want to run up the miles so I'd have it shipped as opposed to flying out to drive it home.
I'm a tennis guy, so yeah, not too bad of a color combo hehe. It would be so awesome if Andre Agassi heard about this and dropped a comment lol. And I'm 39 so yes, bring on the late 80s and early 90s references lol
The Konami code to unlock what's going on in the car? I got you Zack!