The Capeverdean Origin of
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- čas přidán 12. 05. 2024
- The purpose of this video is to reveal the origins of Papiamentu from Capeverdean or Kabuverdianu, the oldest creole language in the world namely the Santiago dialect of Cabo Verde aka Cape Verde.
Using the historical method alongside the linguistic works to dispel the old paradigm of Papiamentu being a Spanish based creole. Papiamentu/Papiamento is at it's core a Portuguese based language according to the eurocentric model.
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Origins of a Creole: The History of Papiamentu and its African Ties - geni.us/pZ1yX
Kas Di Shon: Plantation houses of Curacao - geni.us/IfU2
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I smashed the like button!! I knew of this connection already but not with to this much detail!! Also you sound like the narrator of CZcams channel "Hometeam History" (that is a compliment). Thanks for this each one teach one moment!🖤 from a Caboverdeana 🙌🏾
Obrigada pa odja, Rainha!
And thank you for saying that. HomeTeamHistory is a big influence on my CZcams journey.
@@ComingToAfrica keep it going💪🏾 maybe some day a collab who knows!
Thank you for a phenomenal informative video. My husband and I experienced how similar Cape Verdean and Papiamentu are. We were studying at the University of Arizona from 1984-1988 and were speaking Papiamentu at the University with each other ,when a couple of students asked us where we were from because they could follow us but still found that our language had Spanish influences. Turns out they were students originally from Capo Verde. We became friends and we and the Cape Verdean students kept being amazed by not only the similarity in the languages we spoke but also the culture. So they spoke Criollo with us and we answered back in Papiamentu and we could follow understand each other flawlessly. It was a true cultural exchange for all of us. I lived, studied and worked in the Netherlands, the United States, the Dutch Caribbean Islands and speak: Papiamentu, Sranan Tongo (my parents are from Suriname) Dutch, English and Spanish.
You are very welcome, Donate!
That must been an awesome experience. I remember being 17 years old asking why nobody besides the ABC Islands speaks Papiamentu and that lead me to a deep rabbit hole. I really enjoy hearing these stories.
The funny thing is
Most linguists are skeptical of Papiamentu speakers being able to talk to Kabuverdeanu speakers as there a time and space distance. However, from a ground level perspective. We need only a short adjusting time to hold a basic convo!
Also as a Surinamese you might find my African Identity of Suriname video enlightening!
Cheers
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I am of american decent but have lived in curacao and Netherlands about 90 percent of my life due to my parents work i have the privilege of speaking papiamentu and dutch. Great video and very informative.
Thank you for watching and leaving a comment!
Have you ever tried conversing in Papimentu with a Capeverdean speaker?
You might find that very intriguing.
am from Curaçao myself and my sister is married to a man from cabo verde when I hear them talking to friends and family I can understand him quite clearly there is a clear link between abc island and cabo verde
Most definitely. You should travel there. I think it would be very fascinating. Do you know by any chance from which island her husband is?
yes cabo verde is on my list of country to visit my brother in law is from santiago island and was born in tarrafal
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Niceee. Same goes for me. Santiago has been on my travel list for a long while now.
Hopefully we both will have a blast over there once the time is right.
I think ABC creole comes from Brazil, it makes more sense, the cape Verde islands where unhabited initially and had very few people there like less than 1000 people in 1600.
In the island Brava, where I’m from the word papia means speak and Papiamento means the way you speak or how you speak.
That what it means for us to. Greeti gs from Curaçao 🇨🇼
Disclaimer:
The purpose of this video is to demonstrate the early historical and linguistic link between Papiamentu and Cape Verde. This does not imply that Papiamentu has no connection to the enslaved Africans from Ghana to Angola.
It might seem offensive to some that I used the word 'negroes and slaves' in a colonial context. That wasn't my intention. The following quotations are from Origins of a Creole:, written by Bart Jacobs.
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Same with guinea Bissau Creole, very similar to cape verdean creole and Papiamento
Always knew there was a link. Just didn't know how. This gets us a long wayyy
Obrigado pa informacao bom sabi ligacao criolo cabo verde
Tremendo mi ruman! E miho splikashon kumi a tende hamas, di mi idioma.
Mi ta kontentu di tende esey. Thanks for watching!
@@ComingToAfrica I'm Caboverdean and I understood what you both wrote haha. In my criolo I'd write Mim t kontent...
This is amazing
@wanderdias6645 hopi bon , nos ta similar❤
Enjoyed this obrigadu!! My family is from Brava in Cabo Verde… I did a research paper on some of the history back in 2014 and had a hard time finding this level of detail on the relationship w the Dutch and Netherlands. Also we visited Aruba around 2012 and were speaking Cape Verdean kriol to the natives who spoke papiamentu and had fluent conversations! Such a small (f’d up thanks to colonizers) world
Glad you found this informative! The information was pretty much in a small group of scholars back in 2014. I'm very happy that we can delve into the details nowadays.
Please visit Curacao when you have the chance by the way. I believe you will find my people over there very interesting. Especially the Banda bou side of the island.
@@ComingToAfrica U live In Holland?
@@SHANNY13_96 Yesss I do. I live near Rotterdam
@@ComingToAfrica Oh Rotterdam That's Where A Lot Of Cape Verdeans At Ha 🤔 Anyway Sending Luv 💙 And 🙏🏾Ur Way ✌🏾✊🏾
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Obrigadu! :D
And you? Where are you from?
Mooi gedaan! Kippenvel bij het kijken. Combinatie van visuals, muziek en jouw stem narrative. ❤
My heart and soul truly came through on this one. Glad it's noticeable. It really is one of my favorite topics to talk about and investigate. Thank you for watching!
Very informative👌🏾👏🏾 Always knew there was a connection. Thankyou for the explanation❣️
Thanks !and need one more of Guinea Bissau .😃 I always held on the knowledge off Wikipedia ☺️ ....but this is extra info.
Obrigada, Mana! A sequel will be made. I can promise you that. Thanks for watching.
Thank you so much. I really appreciate this video. It highlighted things that I wanted to know for very long time as a Capeverdean. I’m grateful for the work. Thank you.
Yupp, first time here and i fux with the narator voice vano heavy. Big ups bruv.
Fascinating how you produced this with precise finesse, related to the overal topic of language
Much appreciated, Bro! Glad you found the video interesting.
Great video, brother! The papiamento people of Aruba and Cape Verdeans are long lost relatives. As are all other African people.
Absolutely. No disagreement there. Don’t forget to include the peoples of Curacao and Bonaire. I would also say that while all Africans are related. The peoples of Cabo Verde and the ABC islands are more closely related genetically and culturally as viewed through the Upper Guinea Linguistic Branch.
Thank you for watching.
Love this!!! Looking forward to more of your videos :)
Thank you for your encouragement!
Hopi bon video porfin nos por sa di e historia i similaridat di e idioma nan ..danki
Di nada!
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That’s so awesome to hear! The daughter of a good friend of mine has the same ethnic background as you. However her dad is from Curaçao 😄
I’m glad you’ve enjoyed the video. Part II of this series will be up by the end of this month! Stay turned
@@ComingToAfrica Aww 🤗That's Dope I Bet She's A Pretty Lil Princess; Oh Yeh I'm Tuned Fasho Lol!!
Famia! Very well together! Thanks for the lesson.
Thank you for watching!!!
When i came to Holland from curacao and i heard capeverdian folks talk i Said i understand it its my language but How. After many years and research i came to The same conclusion. Thank you, Danki for putting this together and explaining to many what we from curacao know.
Di nada. This topic is of enormous importance to Papaimentu speakers & the people of Caboverde.
I'm happy that I could paint a clearer picture for you on our history.
Thanks for watching!
I know the language is a mixture of many languages, but never knew this.
I’m happy to share this knowledge with you.
Thanks for watching!
The Cape Verdan President came to NYC in Brooklyn and he understood what we spoke in Papimento. Arubans in return didn’t understand him. We know this information already.
Thanks for sharing that.
Yes I am aware of the partial intelligibility.
It’s not surprising really. My response to that is that Papiamentu speakers use open Spanish sounds/vowels. And Kabuverdianu speakers have closed Portuguese sounds/vowels.
For example, the Portuguese can understand Spanish better than vice versa.
We got to remember that Curaçao, Bonaire and Aruba are in sphere of influence of the Spanish language. And they haven’t had major Portuguese influences since the 1670s.
dope fam its shows the connection ♥🙌
Thanks for watching!
Great video
Thank you, fam!
This is a great video
Thanks a lot, fam! Glad you found it to be informative.
Masha danki mi amigu, i'm from Bonaire ❤ Love, love, love your video
Di nada! Mi ta kontentu ku b’a haña e video aki. Mi ta spera ku mi por bishita Boneiru otro aña.
WOULD LOVE TO BE EDUCATED:
I had a conversation with someone the other day about Papiamento. He said it is intelligible with LADINO, which is the ""creole"" Spanish/Portuguese/ HEBREW language of Iberian Sephardic Jews. I said that's very interesting because I've actually learned that it is intelligible with KRIOLU, the creole language of Cabo Verde.
So now I'm very curious, because Jews from the Iberian Expulsion of 1492 did come to Cabo Verde when it was first founded! Perhaps Ladino is part of the making of Kriolu?!?
Thank you so much for this peace of our history I lived in Holland 4 years and heard the Cape verdians talk a language that's almost the same as papiamento now everything is more logical
Di nada! Thanks for watching.
Glad to help popularize this forgotten information.
there is Papiamentu & Papiamento. you can compare it with the spanish language we speak the same language but some different words/slangs/accents. Even some people think we talk Dominican-spanish.
Papiamentu is spoken on 🇨🇼Curaçao🇧🇶Bonaire
Papiamento is spoken on 🇦🇼Aruba
Do not forget Papimento is spoken on the Island of St.Maarten as well.
That is correct within the context that it was imported by Papiamentu migrants of course. Shell the oil company played a major role during the 80s which propelled intra Caribbean migrations.
Not sint marteners only people from santo
Yeah, the dutch part of sint maarten.
But a part also speaks french
@@solomonosemeke2761 yes im from the french side and we speak english or creole haitian or gwada
master mi jave , ga zo door
Thanks, man. Appreciate it. I got some interesting topics coming up soon.
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@@djomi3000 I'm down for it. Let me kow.
@@ComingToAfrica COOL, ILL KEEP YOU POSTED
Great and fascinating video. Shouldn't some more attention be paid to the coincidence of the time that Dutch had been kicked out of Brazil and the increased settlement in the Dutch Antilles? These new settlers, a lot of them Sephardic Portuguese Jews, took with them their "Portuguese" speaking slaves, who, most likely, spoke a Portuguese similar to that of Cape Verdian. One could then argue that a lot of the people of Curaçao are descendants of Brazilians.
Thank you! Appreciate that. The reason for the exclusion of that info. is a two-parter.
1. The video would be pretty long for my pretty new audience I believe.
2. The impact of those specfic Africans from Brazil has been overestimated according to the latest linguistic research.
And even if they had a major impact. They would have been more of an adstrate influence rather than foundational.
I recommend picking up ''The Upper Guinea origins of Papiamentu'' by Bart Jacobs. In that book he delves into the sound arguments for the Capeverdean origin and also lays out the distinct Afro-Portguese language families.
bomnn sua sigii tra mas
Absolutely! Thank you for watching.
Kalke dia lo mi bin ku capitulo 2.
Venham todos pro Brasil precisamos de imigrantes temos milhões de postos de trabalho e temos muita água limpa e muita comida todos são bem-vindos no Brasil ❤
Obrigado! 🇨🇻🇨🇻
Di nada! 😊
Papia means speak in criollo in Cape Verde Brava Island.
What about Guinea Bissau?? They speak the same criole too.
Got it now😂. I will watch all your videos. Thank you
This is an incredibly detailed history of the slave trade my US education only alluded to in very broad strokes through islands I had previously only had vague notions of. And while the history of slavery is utterly shameful, the contuinuity of culture and language from the Wolof, Mandinka, and Fulani roots through Cabo Verde, onto Curacao and eventually to Aruba even under the influence of Portuguese, Sephardic Jewish, and Dutch dominance is absolutely astounding and wonderful. Obviously I would rather it have been by different means, but it's a history worth celebrating and highlighting.
I understand where you’re coming from.
I’m glad you found this informative. Welcome aboard, fam!
Spain also ruled. lot of history on those 3 islands. they also say that we have the same indigenous as Venezuela, also people say we descendants of Brazilians. But I think the hole south, central, Caribbean America is a fascinating topic. Because it is so mixed with indigenous americans, Asians, Europeans, Africans, Oceanië.
The dutch made a ugly place of it they killed all the indigenous in little Curaçao that is a small island of curaçao, was full of plants now it is nothing more than sand😢
Capeverdean creole is not the origin of papiamento, the similarity is because of the original population of abc islands were portuguese speakers from brazil. The Papiamento is just a mix of portuguese and senegambian languages and that is the same why it is similar
That really does not make sense the population of capeverde in 1600 was less than 1000 people and not that much more in 1700 because of regular droughts. There was no capeverdean sent to ABC islands, it is muchore likely that portuguese speakers came from brazil
Bo ta papia criolo.
This is not the origen of Papiamento of Aruba which is Iberian and Native tongs as Caquetian Arawak.
Thanks for watching. Please share your researched video.
That's not true. If that was the case it would be an entire different language.