How Cabo Verde Gave Rise to Guinea Bissau Creole
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- čas přidán 30. 12. 2022
- Does Guinensi or Guinea Bissau Creole have an Capeverdean origin?
What are the historical relations between Cabo Verde and Guinea-Bissau?
Consider this Chapter II of a trilogy. A sequel to The Capeverdean Origin of Papiamentu.
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The sources I used:
The History of Papiamentu & its African Ties by Bart Jacobs - geni.us/pZ1yX
The Portuguese in West Africa by Malyn Newitt - geni.us/IfU2
Upper Guinea Creole Evidence in favor of a Santiago birth by Bart Jacobs
The Common African Lexical Core Of The Upper Guinea Creoles by N. Quint and K. Tavares
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Got a new subscriber here!! I’m Cape Verdean me and my father were arguing this yesterday 😂😂 I was actually arguing the opposite saying it likely could have form amongst the Lançados settled in upper Guinea. I was just raising it as a possibility. The Wolof information does make sense but it is also possible some vocabulary was added as time past. I wonder what the sources say about who were the first group of slaves taken to Santiago
Welcom aboard, Kompaheru!
Haha that's great timing right there.
The Lançado being the primary group of starting Early Kabuverdianu doesn't have a strong argument.
I recommend reading The History of Papiamentu & its African Ties by Bart Jacobs - geni.us/pZ1yX
The argument against the Lancados are superb.
The same goes for the pro argument concerning the Wolof base in UGC.
cvraiz.com/?page_id=150 is also a great help.
The first group of slaves coming to Cape Verde were Wolofs from today Mauritania... There are many Cape Verdean words from wolof origin like "djobi" or "txambu" for example
@@polonrepy2599
Indeed. There’s evidence suggesting The predominance of Wolof influence on Upper Guinea Creole. Wether they came fron Mauritania or Senegal.
czcams.com/video/PV1wkUP9dsc/video.html
how is it that half the people buried there are africans? only 50 years after founding of the colony? how are they slaves if they are buried there? where did they come from? how can you have at least half the population as slaves and how can you have at least half the population being african only 50 years after founding? when were they really buried? WHERE DID THEY COME FROM?!!!!!!!!!!!1
Thank you for the value information!
I was born on Curaçao.
On the ABC islands in the caribbean (Aruba Bonaire and Curaçao ) we speaks papiamento.
Di nada! Mi tambe a nanse na Korsou.
I believe it highly important to make people more aware of our history.
Porta asina nos por siña fo'i otro anto desaroya mas miho.
@@ComingToAfrica Danki pa tur e informashonnan mi ta siñando hopi
I'm a native speaker of papiamentu aswell and i must say you're content is interesting and cool. You got a new subscriber here. Love from Aruba🇦🇼❤️
@HeartRaiders Official pa un hende cu a siña papianto di afo mi mester ta honesto cu bo papiamento ta tremendo. E ta ponemi kontento con hende di afor di mi isla ta siña mi idioma.❤️❤️
This is a great video. Awesome.
Welcome back brother.
Another brilliant video. I always learn a lot from your work.
You are so kind! Thank you.
The research is impressive and very compelling. Great video again.. Keep it up the good work!
Obrigadu! I will. Planning to pick the pace again.
Cape Verdean here from Santo antao and Sao Vicente .My ancestry comes from Senegal, North Africa, Nigeria and Bantu Territory. Thanks for the video !
Greetings! And welcome 🤗
You got an interesting ethnic mix there.
I'm Up Here Babi, Luv'It Happy New Year Lovee S/O To You 💙✌🏾✊🏾
I am half Guinea Bissau, Half Cape Verde just subscribed to your channel. Cape Verde Island was populated by Native Guinea people and Europenas so Cape Verde and Guinea Bissau are Brothers.
Welcome aboard, Fam! Hopefully you will enjoy this community that we are building.
The Africans the Portuguese enslaved were indeed from G. Bissau and also Senegambia and Sierre Leone.
But the language i.e. (early) Kabuverdianu that touches my soul. So here we are. 😀
Cape verde Had native people before guinea people And Portuguese People Aka Mzungu' just know And We Have So Many African Whitin Us All Don't Get It Twisted Folk!!!!
They migrated not populated .
@@SHANNY13_96i’m originally from cape verde, where i can find the source of this?
@@lemonade_ib facts they love to fake claim us I find out even mbundas ndongo aka angolans do that and I got problem with that and I kall countless times they delusional creatures if they believe they got something to do with us...
Nice work and very little known history of africa and the caribbean. Keep up the great work. Interesting fact is that the english based creole language spoken in sierra leone, known as krio, has a few words of clearly Portuguese origin. Although it is considered an english based creole. Aside from krio, the temne and sherbro languages also preserve many Portuguese derived words from their contact with the Portuguese before british predominance in the region.
I'm from Curaçao 🇨🇼 and I want to visit this 2 countries so bad 😢😊
Is it possible to do a research if people from Curacao have some ties to the Igbo and Yoruba tribe in Nigeria? Your contents are awesome. Peace love and light 🙌🏾 I'm from Curacao just subscribed.
Thank you for being here and welcome aboard!
Sure. I will add it to my list. However, I can’t promise exactly when I can release video on that. And it also depends on the amount of sources. I will put my best effort forward though.
@@ComingToAfrica I'll be here😊. I appreciate that you even want to do it. Be looking forward to all your content. Peace.
Once, maybe 10 years ago, i found an article on the internet about facial features of the children of slavery and how they can be connected to regions/countries in Africa. Ofcourse i can't find it anymore after all those years 😞
I read in documents that in 1588, when Cacheu was founded in Guinea Bissau, many Cape Verdeans descended from slaves and the Portuguese were taken there. More interesting is that everything indicates that Guinean Creole emerged in Cacheu, except that Cape Verdean Creole had already been created since its first settlement on the island of Santiago in 1462 and later on Fogo Island. The island of Santiago was the capital of Guinea Bissau and Casamance and Guinea was called Cape Verde Guinea.
@@SHANNY13_96 Guinea Bissau was called Cape Verde Guinea by the Portuguese because they had Cape Verde as their capital. This is in ancient documents about the history of slavery and the slave trade.
@@homemdexercito1155 oh gotcha did u hear about any indigenous people people found in boa vista or did hear about any native Americans beothuk from canada or anything like that🤔
@@SHANNY13_96cabo verde não era habitada por ninguém antes dos portugueses
@@emiljunior 🤨🤔Fck Outta Here What's That A Spanish Language Portugue🤢😂😅🤣 I Don't Know What U On But I Hope Not Tryna Tell Keep Ur Lies To Urself ✋🏿😆😂😅🤣
@@emiljunior em O que você se baseia ??
Há muitas histórias sobre Cabo Verde antes de os portugueses. os holandeses passaram por ele com bastante frequência, mas não acharam interessante suficiente para colonizar.
Cabo Verde também pode ser encontrado em antigos mapas chineses.
Além disso, os pescadores senegaleses também se perderam no mar e acabaram em Cabo Verde, como aconteceu na semana passada.
𝗟𝗜𝗞𝗘 and 𝙎𝙐𝘽𝙎𝘾𝙍𝙄𝘽𝙀 with NOTIFICATIONS ON if you enjoyed the video!
For more research, I recommend getting the books in the discription. There's only so much I can say in a 9 min video.
You can find the links in the description.
Also also let me know if the video was easy to understand.
Would you also like a video on the history of the Kabuverdianu language? Would you be okay if I made the last part of this series before the end of 2023? 👀
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Can speakers of papiamento and speakers of Cabo Verde/Guinea Bissau communicate?
I love this question!
Having a simple conversation will be possible. However, Kabuverdianu and Guinensi speakers will understand Papiamentu/o speakers more easily than vice versa. The simple explanation is because Papiamentu has been heavily influenced Spanish phonetics. Thus, we tend to have open vowels. And Kabuverdianu and Guinensi have more closed vowels like Portuguese.
To give you an idea of what I mean with open vowels. Check out the videos between Portuguese and Spanish speakers!
With that being said.
Of both speakers speak slowly and adjust their vocabulary often times using older words. You can have a very deep convo.
It's on CZcams, papiamento is spoken in Aruba, Curacao etc. If you speak Guinensi , just listen if you can understand.
I'm Caboverdiano and i can barely understand english, bud it is enough to perceive the great quality of your vídeos. You gained another subscriber.
I'm from São Vicente island and here our creol is different from the Santiago one but i can still easily understant it and, whith a little more effort, the papiamento and the Guinnense.
In the final part of the video the sentences should be the same, so it would be better to perceive the differences from each language.
The all the more I appreciate you being here!
Obrigadu.
I agree on the last part. However it was hard to find the same wording in all the languages.
That’s why I chose to use similar phrases.
I will do my best to use the same phrase in the last part of this series 🙏🏿
It's actually the other way around. The people of Guinea-Bissau gave rise to cape Verdean creole. They Africanized Portuguese words and added in African languages. Guinea-Bissau people have rise to the cape Verdean people we see today. This is why they are so close. Please do your research.
Thank you for your input.
I did do the research. Have you watched the video in it’s totality?
I also included the sources in the description box below.
This video is mostly about the history of Upper Guinea Creole / Proto Kabuverdianu.
I will adres the ethnogenesis of Capeverdeans eventually in a sequel in the near future. Stay tuned for more.
@@ComingToAfrica comment still stands. It is wrong to say Cabo Verde gave rise to Guinean Creole.
If that’s your opinion that’s cool.
I prefer to have a source focused approach.
Thank you once again 👌🏿
Just a minor reminder. They were enslaved humans. Not slaves. To refer to them as such robs them of their humanity.
No it’s not, Cape verdean really gave rise to Guine creole
hey bro ...i really like how you approach this theam . but i dont think that you have the right translation on the prononces , at least on the creoul from guinea bissau . You dont say im going to the market like that in creoul from guinea bissau
Thank you!
Please correct my Guinensi if it's wrong. So I can edit it in atleast the upcoming History of Caboverdean Creole.
Speaking on Kabuverdianu I'm almost 100% certain that that one is correct.
Since I got the gist of it from the Santiago variety from a book.
@@ComingToAfrica I think the Guinee Bisau sentence means something like "at that time we will be coming home" Tchiga means to arrive also in Capeverdean. Loved the video❤
Guinea-Bissau creole was the original, it came first.
Please create a video and state your evidence like I shared mine.
This video is based on the strongest evidences which informed this (dominant) view amongst linguists.
@@ComingToAfrica I'm don't produce videos but consume them.
@@ComingToAfrica That is exactly why nobody should start these types of claims with nations that are so close, it's divisive. I don't care who started speaking creole first it's not an important information. We are brothers and sisters, we speak creole, and that's it.
@Goldniz that is your own personal burden. History is not and shouldn’t create divisiveness. IMO it highlights out bonds. But if people cannot see that then how odd is it to watch a video like this.
@@ComingToAfrica It’s not history that is creating divisiveness, it’s pinpointing an element that is irrelevant and useless to the people you are talking about. Why does it matter ?? When you know that it takes so little for communities to start a fight, why would you feel the need to start a conversation about who invented creole first ? Why would even research that is beyond me… anyway
The whole who invented the creole first is divisive and pointless. We are brothers we don't care who invented it first we couldn't care less. Many people tried to divide us let's not add fuel to the fire, I'm from GB and Cape verdians are my brothers I love them like as if we were one country.
Thank you brotha🙏🏿it does not matter who's first. We are one people 🌍💪🏿
Telling history does not cause divisions. As for me personally, I love knowing how things came about. I don't believe in unique in that regard.
One Love!
Wow actually i thought was the other way around .. im cape verdean here
That''s what a lot of Cv people still believe. But as you saw that theory has holes in it and it does not line up with the timeline.
Spera ki bo atxa kel video li informativu. 😄
@@ComingToAfricanão, não é. Crioulo originou na Guiné Bissau. Vocês afro- americanos gostam de inventar factos que a não existem
Jijzelf bent Nederlandstalig? 😁
Klopt helemaal. Geboren op Curacao.
Toffe video, dank voor de moeite helpt om kennis te verspreiden. Abraco um mano die Cabo Verde 🇨🇻 !
Dankjewel, broeder 🙏🏿
Nos e di mesmu sangi!
You mean *how guinea bissau gave rise to the Cape Verdeans. Did u forget how the balantas dealt with the Portuguese 🇬🇼 guinea bissau all the way
It could be that my narration was lacking. However, since most viewers understood the linguistic perspective I was coming from. I believe that you did not comprehend what the video is about. Regardless I’m very appreciative of your time 😊
true we come from balantas
Our language is not guineensi is criol guineensi is our nationality criol is mix of Mandinka language Wolof Pepel Portuguese
You don't have wolof, wolof is Senegambia, kriol is not a mix of mandinka but a offshoot of papiamento spoken in Curacao, Aruba etc . The mother is Papiamento, the children are Kriol(Guinensi) and Kabuverdianu .
@@lemonade_ib Don't be crazy, Creole was spoken in Cape Verde before the ABC islands(in it current form) even existed.
Great video Cape Verde really gave a rise to Guine creole, and what Cape Verdeans went through during the slavery Guine didn’t go through at all
That's What They Don't Know And They Talk A Whole Lotta Of Ish!!!"
@@SHANNY13_96 yes Cape Verdeans were more harmed than Guinienses
@@idk4778 facts big ole facts 🙌🏾✊🏾💙✌🏾
Vocês so falam merda 😂
Só falas merda, tu não sabes para que que serviu as ilhas de cabo verde para a transação de escravos