Did Mephiles Win? | Mephiles Month
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The Flame of Hope from Sonic the Hedgehog 2006
The Black Shadow from Sonic the Hedgehog 2006
Solaris Destroyed from Sonic the Hedgehog 2006
End of the World from Sonic the Hedgehog 2006
Theme of Alexia II from Resident Evil: Code Veronica
Sorrow from Resident Evil: The Darkside Chronicles
Your Best Friend from Undertale
Hopes and Dreams from Undertale
Jabberwock from Resident Evil: The Darkside Chronicles
Reunited from Undertale - Hry
This entire series of mephiles is a reminder of why he is the greatest sonic villain of all time
Can you imagine the hype if Mephiles’ whisper started playing at the end of a new Sonic game teaser? Jeeeeez...
JAJAJAJA YO PIENSO LO MISMO
So Solaris's plan is to change time by consuming the current timeline. But that failed, so he sends Sonic and Elise back in time to erase himself out of existence thus changing the timeline. So he wins either way.
Considering sonic is a multiverse universe, (mania and modern) he actually winned
@@firstbits650 won*
@@firstbits650 that must be Solaris plan so I guess he actually won
Sort of
My theory is that mephlis wanted to blow out iblis's flames but he couldn't because he had no mouth.
XD
Mephilis really needs to come back, id even take an 06 remake just to get some real good story and characterization
Tbh they could make sonic 06 a really good game, the only elements that are lacking are controls, glitches/bugs, graphics, sound effects, animation, and voice acting. All things that can be reworked without sacrificing the core of the game itself. Hell, tons of fans have already recreated a few levels and made them run like butter. It can be done
Maybe 2026
Sea Breeze yep
@@ghostofsilence2697 Perhaps we should also remove the romantic relationship between Sonic and Elise and the kissing scene as well.
@@marsgo8938 no. keep the scene but replace Elise with Shrek
I like the concept that Mephiles wanted Sonic to defeat Solaris after being bored for too long. It would explain why all the Main Characters were magically together on the last act. He put them there, so they can get the Chaos Emeralds and save Sonic. Then his goal was to rewrite the future by being defeated, which is still in his sadistic character because none of the characters get to feel the emotions they felt, went on any epic adventures, or bonded closer.
you know... now thinking about it, it wouldve made mephiles way more... mysterious and creepy if he actually never talked at all and communicated with only gestures, postures and seemingly uncoherent visions chosen by mephiles to manipulate the sonic cast.
I really think the perfect way for Mephelis to return is through reincarnation and though the possibility that history is never truly gone and repeat itself.
Just a little head cannon is all.
The Question: "Did Mephiles win?"
The answer: Well no, but actually yes.
I REALLY want an 06 remake. Too bad it's never gonna happen because Sega is too ashamed of it
In a way i think he did win but not with an explicitly stated goal such as rewriting time or merging with iblis, those may have been sub goals needed to set the following events in motion. Maybe his ultimate goal was to be erased from existance but couldnt do it himself.
Think about it, being immortal and timeless may sound awesome at first but when you really ponder what that entails, once youve exhausted everything there is to do over the course of god knows how many lifetimes you've existed, you would eventually want it all to come to a close or you'd completely lose your mind.
Maybe he tried alternate methods in different timelines to no avail, maybe being the villain was the only way to motivate the heroes to erase him.
Being unwilling to live and unable to die is probably the worst curse i can think of. Perhaps with this ending mephiles can be set free.
Also in light of recent events, you might want to upload copies of your videos to other platforms just in case shit hits the fan.
In that case, Mephiles could've been the Ardyn Izunia equivalent of the Sonic universe
I've conceptualized the same idea too on my 06's headcannon, borrowing some elements from FFXV, from botched vacation trip with the bros (Knuckles, Tails and Amy's role would be more prominent here in my headcannon, just like Prompto, Gladiolus and Ignis did in FFXV, except this time it's not because of the kingly duty and more of tight-knit band of adventurous anthro buddies), Mephiles working with Eggman to advance his goals like how Ardyn working with Iedolas Aldercapt, three super-powered hedgehogs referred as the warrior of light, and how Sonic was transported into a realm of emeralds (Chaos/Master Emerald?) upon his apparent death by Mephiles, taking some inspiration of Noctis's ten year slumber after he touched the crystal on Zegnautus Keep, Sonic's soul in this realm would gain wisdom and insight about how the chaos engulfs when Solaris awakens from the keeper of that realm, revealed to be Tikal from SA1, and here he discovered that himself, Shadow and Silver were prophesized to save the world from Solaris's wrath, before he was sent back to life with the help of Elise and Knuckles praying upon the chaos emerald and master emerald on the world outside of the realm, now turned into Solaris's space-time rift.
We know Mephiles did achieve his goal by joining with Iblis in Sonic 06 and attempted to erase the timeline in Soleanna from past to future. I'm not sure if it also affected the whole world and or universe during the Final story in Sonic 06. But did Mephiles win in the end? No, he did achieve his goal but he'd likely had to attempt to rewrite history when everyone were in this time space rift in the final story, but when the final battle came down Solaris got struck down by the heroes. Throughout the final stages, there are 2 different wormholes, one with a spit attack and another with a suck in to oblivion. The monuments in the stages that help restore the time space rift world, I have to imagine that is there by the very original spirit of Solaris. My theory on that is with both Iblis and Mephiles being dark entities, the original spirit's power remained dormant within those two until the time was right and necessary, should there be any time and space mess.
As for the variety of different timelines, that would've been very different since he had to play his part in one way or another, but never achieved his goal. I doubt he'd destroyed the Egg Carrier 3, as we saw Sonic involved with wrecking the ship somehow. I doubt Mephiles made some encounter with Elise since she's too important by having Iblis within her body and spirit. We don't even know if he wanted to really rewrite the future. Let me try to put it like this, Doctor Strange in Avengers Infinity War and Endgame has the ability to view all kinds of outcome but plays out one particular timeline, he said what he only did said, he did what he only did, and believes that almost everything will play out right to the end. He knew the outcome of what's to come should anything happen to alter the path of the timeline. Mephiles must've tried to do that to achieve his goal to win, but didn't realize that there would be some alternate thoughts and beliefs taking place.
I think Mephiles just wanted to die i mean he's already failed countless times playing the same game over and over he must have realized he can't rejoin with Iblis, even at the end of Sonic 06 when he finally gets his wish it's short-lived but if that was his intention maybe he was trying to break a loop of some sort, to be free from the suffering of Iblis destruction. If that's not the case it could be he wanted to escape his reset timeline.
Ok I had to do this because it was just to funny.
Shadow: Mephiles!!
Fights for a bit
Shadow: I told you you’d die for that
Chaos spears him to death
Gasp
Mephiles: you should have gone for the head.
Spears sonic in the back.
Shadow: no!
Solaris is born
5 hours later during the final boss
Mephiles: I am inevitable
Snaps his fingers nothing happens
Sonic: and I am sonic the hedgehog
Snaps fingers
Timeline resets
I hope you got that reference. 😁
Infinity war?
@@koimeme the first part is. The I am inevitable is Endgame
Hey, Maybe Solaris doesn't exist in this timeline, but imagine in another were Solaris did defeat Sonic, Shadow and Silver, and accomplish the whole destruction of the reality, and now he go to the other ?
Like Goku Black?
Actually that’s a good idea, maybe something like the Archie universe where sonic and sally got married and it takes place years in the future where we follow his grand child needing to stop mephiles once and for all
If Solaris actually beat the Super Hedgehogs, the whole Sonic the Hedgehog series as a whole would end, due to him essentially consuming the whole Cosmology of the franchise(the games, Archie, IDW, Boom etc.)
@@bionic-tale4313 I don't think he can do it instantly, as powerful as they may be, so many universes exist that some would be aware of his threat
@@bionic-tale4313
Solaris would die anyway if he ruined everything because it won't give him what he wants.
Mephiles was born the moment Elise blowout the candle, old Mephiles died when sonic never met Elise, but i wonder if that created a paradox timeline or a time loop
So, does that make Mephiles the true Hero of 06? Since all he did was make things better in the end.
Mephiles did nothing wrong,he stopped furries from being cannon in sonic games,he is a true hero
Mephiles stopped sonic 06 from happening, therefore he is a hero.
Jokes aside I wish Sonic 06 wasn't buggy, if it wasn't the game would honestly be good.
The bugs are not as bad as people put them out to be I've played the game before and I only got 2 gitches the rest of the game went fine for me.
@@alinastanescu4430 I mean...you’re not wrong XD
Mephiles is one of the many things great about 06
Both Mephiles/Solaris and that Flower boy are somewhat similiar to Void Termina/Galacta knight... At least in the way you explained them
Undertale fans when they see this comment:ITS FLOWEY IDIOT
me a simple undertale fan ok
@@koimeme well, that would be predictable
@@chomik172 its a joke so it does not matter anyways
This version of your avatar is very cute and well-made. Congrats to the person who made it!
I like how you mix up the human souls and the chaos emeralds on purpose lol
Well, rewriting the future in such a way that the only thing you change is to remove yourself from existence... that doesn't really feel like a win.
I've never realized how Flowey was SOOOOO similar to Mephiles and . . . Lord Danny , who is your favourite Undertale character? My personal favourites are Toriel and Undyne.
Those are my favorites
Undyne and sans
Sans is that guy that the more you look the more you find, he start as a comedian, an then a scientist and someone that can read you seve file, and also is trying to rescue someone from nowhere it self, pretty good build up.
Undyne, i think she needed more construction, most of their true powers are not even mentioned if you dont do the genocide run after already understanding the true lab experiment what needs you to actually get out of the intended route and read tons of dialog, which is not cool
As popular of an opinion as it is, I'd go with Sans.
Sans is my favourite
@@firstbits650 this might of been a typo but undyne is a girl
Mephiles was so powerful and integral that the only way the hero’s could stop him was by erasing his existence
A villain who doesn’t need a reason, everything he does he does because he wants to
Silver and Blaze (if 06 is the canon iteration of the two) only makes sense in their one game. Thus Silver, despite being a fun character, has no reason to exist in the series.
But since we’re in the meta era, I don’t even care. Continuity doesn’t exist anymore.
There's two versions of Silver and Blaze;
Rivals had a version of Silver and Rush had a version of Blaze, the Rush version of Blaze is from a different dimension rather than the 06 version being from the future. The dimension version is canon at this point, as for Silver, no idea. I would guess it would be the Rivals version that we have now if Generations didn't elude to it being the 06 version, I'm pretty sure Sega doesn't even know which Silver we have right now
If blowing out the flame of hope makes the timeline of sonic 06 never happen then that means blaze never sacrificed herself so SEGA should bring back blaze!
Blaze has been around for a while, just not that version of her. There's the Sol Dimension Blaze and the 06 Future Blaze, the Sol Dimension version is the canon one
I'd say that he did technically win, he killed Sonic (Something that no one else has managed to do), and released Iblis, fused and became Solaris. He achieved his goals, he told Shadow he would rewrite the timeline, Sonic and Elise did that for him, because the timeline was reset his "death" may have been undone anyway, which is ironic when resetting the timeline is how they tried to defeat him.
Conclusion; Probably
He won at killing Sonic and becoming Saloris but he failed to destroy the world so he sort of won but also lost.
Technically he didn’t fail to destroy the world, as they had to erase all the events of 06’s timeline (even though crisis city comes back in Generations)
the idea of Mephilis being like flowey is probably my favorite theory i've heard about this game
Who exactly is even Flowey? I wanna know who he is & how the idea Mephiles is like this Flowey guy I never heard of about him before.
The title of this video should be: Is Sonic 06 canon?
(Also Danny have you heard about Coppa's rules)
Sakura Art
It technically is/was.
@@rosanirodrigues557 me trying to not referrens a su---
No wonder why Flowey It's my fav villain from Undertale
Why not wait to have Princess Elise to have children? She’s the ruling monarch wouldn’t be inevitable for her to have hairs?
Rosani Rodrigues cease
Art
I don’t know what that means?
Art
Okay I Check and that doesn’t answer my question,
Please elaborated.
Rosani Rodrigues first, why in the hell would anyone wait for that
Second, Elise is cancelled
Third, grammar
Art
First, and this is a bit Sadistic but we’re talking about Mephiles here, he could just Torture/kill them in front of Elise to make her cry,
Second, What does “Cancelled” supposed to mean in this Context?
Third, Welcome to CZcams you must be new here.
I think Mephiles deserves another chance. Also for your next month/ week event can you do it on Chaos?
Black Doom also won.
He devastated the planet, landed the comet, and gave his people an absolute feast.
It literally took one of his own children, a child who in another timeline he allowed to destroy the earth as a form of therapy, to stop him...
And even then it was by the most magnificent of flukes, thanks to Team Chaotix finding the records and Shadow having past experience at breaking out of mind control (thanks to Gerald)...
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And honestly Black Doom deserved the win. A plan fifty years in the making, where he struck the entire planet suddenly... with the good sense to go straight after the Chaos Emeralds and the World Leaders. Only making his grand declaration when he had effectively won and the Black Comet was swiftly xeno-forming the Earth, and that grand speech served the double purpose of pressuring surrender rather than just gloating.
Wonderful video!
Oh man the end of the world was one level I had a very hard time on, hard enough that I started to hate it, especially the silver part, but it was a good final level
consider if mephiles is dead since he was erased fro existence but he exists in other dimensions mephiles can control time and prevent his death ITS A TIME PARADOX OF ENDLESS POSSIBLE TIMELINES
I'm really confused about why Silver's future is so full of lava. If Iblis was released even via Elise's death, we would've seen a sign of it right after Eggman's airship fell down and exploded. Did anything indicate that happen? No, of course not, therefore Iblis' spirit would've been stuck in Elise's remains forever, thus rendering Silver's future nonsensical. We do know that Iblis can be released with Elise crying, but we've only seen her cry when Mephiles killed Sonic. We also know that Mephiles went to the future to convince Silver that he could change the future by killing Sonic, but why is Silver's future even bad in the first place if Sonic was not killed and Elise didn't cry? This is just my way of thinking, maybe I missed some spots when thinking about that, you tell me.
Hei
BENDY SPILL
@@anneliseholmsve2508 ??
Wait if Mephiles did win well we need more sonic games or games in general where the villain wins like 06 and forces where the closest we got to that. Like it feels like the only time mostly when are favorite game villains win is fan made parodies and other fanfiction.
Sonic CD's bad future zones, to some extent
Mephiles is kinda like the sonic version of nyarlathotep or yog sothoth.
but then who would be the sonic version of azathoth, Cthulhu, or hastur, or Shub-Niggurath?
🤔 I never thought about any of this like this.
Fascinating mon!
Hmm yes lore of the best villains of all time
I have a question why mephiles didn't fused with iblis in the future ? Please answer me
Maybe he didn't died in sonic 2006 maybe it's plan wait for perfect moment to show up
REMEMBER THE FINAL BOSS FROM SONIC 1 BUT WHAT IF DR IVO EGGMAN ROBOTNIK WON !!!!!!
My only question is, why did mephilis need to release iblis anyways? Why couldn't he fuse in the future? Why did he need to go through all that plot to do something that didnt need all that to begin with? What are your theories? Or is there already a video on it from you?
My guess that Iblis is too powerful in the future, since it has esstientially evolved over the years example being his forms you fight throughout the story of 06.
Mephiles new the entirety of 06 was a mistake
I enjoy your video
If Mephiles used the chaos emeralds without Iblis, then wouldn't he transform into Super Mephiles? Or does that not apply to hedgewhores?
Mecha Sonic and Knuckles have gone "super" before, so no. It's not considered hedgehog exclusive
@@JargonMadjin So Mephiles DOES have the potential to become "super"?
@@pervertedstoner69reborn70 Probably, but I didn't really see a reason for him to try when he could fuse with Iblis and become more powerful than that. As Solaris he had to be defeated by *three* super-hedgehogs in both the past, present and future simultaneously
Not really. He essentially only "borrowed" their power(like Shadow) to boost his existing powers. He is essentially still weaker, and still needs Iblis in order to become truely powerful.
If mephiles is flowey who’s sans
Silver
No sonic is more suited in the role of sans
@@emperordalek102 but silver and sans both have power to move stuff the bones would be the knives silver used in generations
Yeah good point
Welp, no sleep tonight!
Well have you seen movies where the bad guy does win?
Yes
grimbone flavoor name 20
Infinity War?
well you might of mentiond it but mephilies could of merged with iblis in the future but hw decides to have silver kill sonic
I love undertale and sonis
The experiment never happened.
Mephiles and Iblis never came into existence.
Elise never held Iblis' spirit.
Mephiles was never trapped in the Scepter of Darkness.
Mephiles never met Shadow.
Silver's future was never destroyed.
And Sonic never met Elise because Eggman never tried to capture her at the festival.
So Guys does this Mean He’s Worse than Homelander???!!!!!! Even on a Moral Level! And what would they Think of Eachother Actions!
I'mma just say, this is nice and all but you really didn't do good for yourself with that near end section with all the villians who failed, namely Shadow. Shadow succeeded in what he wanted, to honour Maria's wish, the fact that he didn't know what her wish was, was Gerald's doing, who is a Villian who failed.
I never really considered Shadow as a "villain" so he doesn't really count here, the reason he was trying to destroy Earth was because he thought that's what Maria wanted, he only found out later on that she wanted the complete opposite
Mephiles: I'm a better version of you
flowey the flower: at least I didn't die my first appear
sans and sonic: ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Did Mephiles win?
Well, yes, but actually no
Did Thanos win?
Mephiles caused Sonic Forces?
Is Mephiles still alive?
In another timeline: Maybe.
In the main one: No.
funny, sonic forces was so bad we're comparing it to sonic 06
Hei
This why sonic 06 is good game... 😑
30th COMMENT YESSSSSSS
06 isn't Canon
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