Why Sonic Fans STILL Want Mephiles Back - Sonic the Hedgehog Villain Discussion
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13 years later and Sonic fans still want to see this embodiment of darkness return for at least one more game. What makes him such a fan favourite, and what lesson isn't being learned by Sega?
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Mephiles' Temptation from Sonic 06
The Resurrection of Mephiles from Sonic 06
Showdown with Mephiles from Sonic 06
Mephiles' Whisper from Sonic 06
Mephiles Boss 1 from Sonic 06
Death Egg Robot Phase 2 from Sonic Forces
Flame Core (The Cavern) from Sonic 06
Mephiles Boss 2 from Sonic 06
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In the beginning of this video, I say "Mephiles the Dark", not "Mephiles the Dog". If I did say "dog", my British accent would make it sound very different to the word "dark".
oof
Now that I heard it again, I do hear dark instead of dog, but lemme get back to this video
Dogness
I can understand
Guess the dark has more bite than bark.
I think his name is...Memphis Tennessee
I Like Pizza I love you
nice reference
@@neomoons296
I want Mephiles to come back too he's a better villain than Eggman Dark Gaia and King Arthur the Black Knight should also return too.
Seriously Sega stop doing this to better villains.
Welcome to Tilted Towers...
And he is part lizard.
Mephiles: Creepy being of pure evil.
Infinite: Teenage edgelord.
👏👏👏👏👏
Mephiles:teenage edgelord
Infinite:teenage edgelord
Yoshi Thinks Your Wrong Big the Cat: The one true god.
@Burning Blaze thats exactly what i was thinking
@@jackiexkh indeed
“Well you see, it’s a gamer-pad.
Not many girls come in here because I get friendzoned so frequently...
_But that’s okay.”_
Oh fuck
The bowz
The priceless referrence. XD
I’d like to be in the friend zone
I’d like friends...
The Pun-Isher. It’s not as pleasant as you’d think...
Just watching 5901
They don’t treat you like a friend, they treat you like an I T E M
Mephiles: *straight up kills Sonic without any hesitation on first encounter*
Eggman & other villains: no. That's not how you're supposed to play the game
The Chad Mephiles: Haha energy blade go brrrrr!
The Virgin Eggman: It's fine to scare and threaten people, but when you actually hurt someone you've gone too far!
@@megaman37456
The Virgin Memphis: Not many girls come in here because I get friend zoned so frequently.
The Chad Eggman: I miss my wife, Tails.
@@fungusjoe5005 Gigachad Shadow: I fucked your wife. Now excuse me, i have more women i need to go bed with
@@spinomania1921 Shadow: I peed on your wife robotnik. She's mine now.
@@fungusjoe5005 who the hell is memphis?
The Virgin Infinite vs the Chad Mephiles.
Good Boy
Vs. The Wizard Zavok Vs. The Lad Robotnik.
Girls never treated him as a person
Infinite Walk vs. Mephiles Stride
Thats the difference between them. Mephiles is an alpha gamer
Alright
Infinite could LITERALLY OVER DO REALITY, bUt bEcAuSe Mephiles iS a aLpHa gAmEr he could win.
You all are just relying on what you saw. Not what could be behind all of that
There's a simple reason people want Mephiles the Dog...
It's because he's an *Alpha Gamer*.
Ain't that the reason why he keeps getting friendzoned so frequently?
I’d like to be in the friend zone, I’d like friends
@@alpha_gem It's not as pleasant as you'd think. They don't treat you like a friend, they treat you like an *i t e m*
“Sometimes I wish I could be more than just an accessory to these women, but unfortunately as a gamer, I don’t get respect.”
Well... I’m not a gamer so maybe they’ll respect me
It’s because he’s an ALPHA gamer.
Too bad he gets friendzoned so frequently.
@@lorddanny2988 but that's ok
Where are the boys droppin?
@@lorddanny2988 Silver isn't a gamer, maybe he won't get friendzoned
THAT JUST MAKE YOU A BETA COKE
"Cuz I keep getting tilted at the towers"
Memphis, Tennessee
2019
This isn't really tilted... OR a tower...
@@lorddanny2988 well, it's my gamer pad.
Not many women come up here cuz I get friend zoned so often.
Nestor Illyanovich, Nestor Illyanovivh, why didn't it work?
Aidan Collins
The referrence
everyone is quoting this video.
I love it.
Go on Shadow
Don't you support gay rights?
SNAPCUBE REFERENCE!
Look at this weird flame in front of me, it's REALLY BIG!!!
"Oh , I'm sorry, I confused you for Sonic, I thought we were getting married"
@@sweggyq_ COME KISS ME BOI!
Also you forgot the Me-files at the end of that quote. XD
@@giygas_9577 welp I was close enough 😂
“Don’t trust him, Silver! He looks like a sleep-deprived, homeless person!”
“Of course I look like a sleep-deprived, homeless person! We’re in a freaking war zone!”
69 likes, make a wish!
I wish to not be friendzoned
Roger Van Der Weide reference?
i gotta say, the fortnite community just hasnt been the same since mephiles went on hiatus. i hope his ex-boyfriend shadow can get him to come back.
Carnalval
Yeah, xD
Lol snapcube refrains
Wtfh are you talking about Mephiles isn't im fortnite
@@arkroyalthelolicon808 hes talking about a video that snapcube made when they did a live fandub of sonic 06
pasword woosh
To be fair, if Mephiles were to come back, it would definitely have a Harley Quinn effect. People would love him more and more with every appearance. Especially with the vibe he gives out.
Cyber Stuff I feel like he’s the type of character you only bring out every now and again. Too much of him would make it so he isn’t as great anymore. All of the villains people seem to like are the ones that haven’t had many appearances. Chaos has appeared a few times now though 😅
-Limit breaker tenkaichi SS4 fan- Which is why he’s such a great villain!
Oh, hey comrade.
the vibe of an alpha gamer
@Fang Lazken AKA Ranshi Mephiles did in ONE game what Robotnik couldn't achieve in a FRANCHISE. Let that sink in. Mephiles IS a threat, and I think the reason we haven't seen Mephiles resurface is simply because he's too good at being a villain, he has no qualms killing without gloating, he likes to manipulate but he is willing to go for the quick kill. Eggman wants Sonic dead, but can never achieve it because in reality his robots are inferior to Sonics abilities, and Eggman NEVER learns from past defeats.
Every villain has beaten Sonic to a pulp.
But Mephiles...
Killed him.
All the villains try something convoluted, but Mephiles is like "you guys are doing it wrong".
He killed Sonic with a single strike and a smooth kill
He didn't though. Also it was a stab in the back, not a fight
@@silkworm2595 He did kill Sonic. No one said that they had a fight.
@@koolmckool7039 still being alive doesn't cut it. Mephles was boring.
Memphis Tennessee truly understood gamers, as he wanted to create Tilted Towers in the Sonic universe
cressedangel123
Oh wow! Yes, :D
To bad he got friend zone so frequently
@@justarandombluebird8222 and it isn't as pleasant as you'd think, they don't treat him like a friend, but as an *item* .
@@felobatirmoheb4884 well I'm not a gamer so maybe they'll respect me
@@Chief_-yb3fx That's the difference between you and me, Silver the Hedgehog... I'm an alpha gamer
Another reason he is the best villain
He's the only one that actually killed sonic
edit: sonic had no idea who this guy was anyway, he just came up and said ight bro, you lost living privileges, just to continue his plan, while others are there because rawr, i dislike blue rat
You got TOTALLY right
True
Infinite lade the beat down but he killed him
Mephiles the only psychopath hedgehog, I love him
Right!?
In SA2 Eggman got close to killing Sonic, and Shadow was close to destroying everyone, but both times they failed, either by unforeseen events or by their own change of heart.
Mephiles had no change of heart, and he didn't give up. When Silver failed he did it himself. He's far more memorable than any other villain for that alone.
"I'm gonna do a little dance."
-Memphis Tenessee
xd
Mephiles did what the other villains couldn’t. He actually succeeded in killing Sonic. His darkness, depth, and outright evil nature makes him a compelling villain. Regardless of how bad Sonic 06 was, it had a damn good villain.
And the funny thing is he didn't intended to kill sonic, but since that was the only way to be solaris he did.
No in generations eggman killed both sonics
@@austinserby219
Unconscious =/= Dead.
Sonic 06 had a great villain a BEAUTIFUL soundtrack and a story I could enjoy the only things in my opinion that ruin sonic 06 for me is the bugs, the animation, the tedious jobs you have to do in the towns, the fact that silver is slow as hell, that damn ball part in one of silvers missions, the clunky and stiff gameplay, and the fact that all together it was a rushed game. If they truly took their time to flesh everything out make some changes tweak some things and find a way to make the game more enjoyable as the story progressed than I feel like sonic 06 once had the potential to be one of the best modern sonic games to date. If I could have one wish for sonic team its to remake this game from the ground up with the same overall story and much more improved and much more fun kinda like a soft reboot. Cause I would love to see a way better version of sonic 06.
Ali_ Gaming. He did try to kill Sonic, albeit indirectly, through Silver. But since Silver failed too many times, Mephiles decided to take matters into his own hands.
It could still happen. Shadow wasn't supposed to come back either.
my pp wasnt supposed to come but it did
The thing is shadow came back only like 3 years after sa2
@@impulse5674 2*
Possibly
But we don’t have nearly as many people wanting Mephiles back as we did people sobbing over Shadow
The difference is that Shadow wasn’t erased from existence like Mephiles was.
Despite Sonic 06 not being the best Sonic Game, we can all agree that Mephiles was a really good villain for the Sonic Franchise.
Yeah Mephiles is cool.
Yes
@@milesstorzillo1039 ouchy you no like mania
I mean that yo opinion but ouchy
@@milesstorzillo1039 oke doki
HECK YAS
"They don't treat you like a friend.
They treat you...like an _item_ "
11:25
_"...Still a good soundtrack though."_
Sonic summarized in 5 words.
I thought describing Sonic in 5 words would be
"don't Google his fan art"
@@emperior5710 HA! nice.
@@kaptainkibiroproductions45 IKR.😂😂😂
“Beware the suck cost fallacy”
Infinite is just a much crappier Mephiles. He’s a try hard. Mephiles didn’t have to try to be intimidating. He just was.
Thank you for so many likes btw. I appreciate it.
Wheeze, Infinite is just a Mephiles want-to-be deep down.
he's a fan boy of him
Infinite is not that bad but I get what you mean :)
AngelDog626 Kylo Ren and Darth Vader intensifies
Infinite isn't THAT bad, but I can see why people like Mephiles.
wow you coward infinite is not a mephiles he's a powerful villain
Why Sonic Fans like Mephiles:
1. He legit is the only one to kill Sonic.
2. He is made of Shadow's Shadow and has a connection with him.
3. He looks and acts cool
4. Just coz
5.he's an alpha gamer that gets so TILTED at the TOWERS
6. He's part lizard
@@risottonero7118 7. he cosplayed as shadow AND a steven universe crystal gem at the same time
Damn, Mephiles is not Shadow's shadow. He is the evil conscience of a god. His true form is an amorphous mass of darkness. Mephiles is Solaris with half of all his power.
5. Mephiles is the most well-written character in my book.
biggest mistake that forces made was not letting infinite take center stage... he should have double crossed Eggman, stole the chaos emeralds and mutated into some monster or became super powerful requiring sonic and the heroes to deal with a MUCH larger threat. Infinite had potential but it was squandered.
It's like the writers were trying their absolute hardest to not make infinite the main villain while making eggbotnik the main villain. Maybe they had already planned on doing what you said, but someone at the very last minute said NO, I WANT EGGMAN TO BE THE FINAL BOSS and just rushed it with infinite being sidelined
PS, imagine what infinite could do with the phantom ruby and all the chaos emeralds.
That would be better and it would also be better if Shadow and Infinite fight in the main story.
It feels like there was so much they could've done with Infinite using stuff that was already there but they just didn't for some reason...
Controversial, maybe, but this is actually the *one* , *singular* aspect I will defend about forces: for the first time in *years* since Sonic 3, it is *Eggman* who double crosses the other villain and takes over as the main antagonist. For year up until this point, ever since Sonic 3, if the game featured a secondary antagonist/villain, that antagonist would either betray, overshadow, double cross Eggman and take over as the main antagonist/final boss. Chaos, Shadow, Metal Sonic, Black Doom, Mephiles, Eggman Nega *several times* , Emerl/Gizoid, Dark Gaia, the Babylon genie, that one robot in Gravity, the deadly six. The list goes on. And most these games would more of less follow the same story beats: secondary antagonist gets introduced, they beat Sonic up, they're revealed to be forced or willingly in cahoots with Eggman, rematch with Sonic eventually, they break free from Eggman (Eggman does something optional), turn the tables on him and take over, final boss time. It's been so overdone and been happening for so long that the moment Infinite was introduced I was waiting for these exact story beats, and for the most part they did, that when it was *Eggman* who double crossed and turned on Infinite, I breathed a sigh of relief. Because for the longest Eggman has felt like a secondary antagonist in his own series. He's felt more like a king Dedede than a Bowser, if you like that comparison
Eggman outdated
Infinite overrated
Long have we waited
*Mephiles activated*
Never saw infinite overrated. I always saw metal sonic overrated, but still a badass villain.
I wouldn't call infinite overrated
@@nota444tm2 depends on the metal sonic, some are shit some are good
SleepyWolf Obama was displeased in eggman’s rather vile actions
(Mephiles has activated) (Infinite and eggman give mephiles a death eye stare) (Mephiles *disactivated*)
Mephiles is such a great character. he had so much depth and gloom and mystery that can add so much to the sonic universe.
Finally I get likes for saying good stuff about Sonic 06, and not threats to my life.
Nov 5062 Despite the infamy of his debut game, Mephiles proved to be an extremely popular Sonic villain.
@Kokkino I Think That's What Make Him Such An Amazing Character, Unlike Other Antagonists In The Series Where Even In The Worst Situations, We Usually Didn't Took Them Seriously, We *COULD NOT* See Melhiles The Same Way, Cause He Was Intiminating & Treathning By *JUST* Being There & Every Time He Shows Up, It's Made Up Like A Big Deal... Because... *IT IS* A Big Deal, His Personality Also Was Pretty Unique For A Sonic Antagonist & Character, He Was Powerful, Destructive & Cruel, But Smart, Manipulative & Freaking Terrifying, Something Other Sonic Villians R Not, We Never Got Scared By A Sonic Villian The Same Way Mephiles Did... & Maybe That's Y Alot Of People (Myself Included) Either Love To Hate This Guy, Or Just Straight Adore Him
Kokkino he is also complete monster
I agreed
@@buffkangaroodog not necessarily.
“Well, it’s a gamer pad. Not many girls come in here because I get friend zoned so frequently.”
"I'd like to be in the friendzone! I'd like friends!"
@No U They don't treat you like a friend, they treat you like an item
Sometimes I wish I could be more than just an accessory to these women, but unfortunately as a gamer, I don’t get respect.
@@disgustingweeb1059 I'm not a gamer so maybe they'll respect me
@@jesalt8230 "That just makes you a beta cuck. [pause] That's the... that's the difference between you and I, Silver the Hedgehog. I'm a... I'm an AlpHa gaMER..."
They won't bring him back because they don't treat him like a friend, but they treat him like an iTeM..
Well you see, it's a gamer pad
That just makes you a beta cuck
well I'm not a character owned by Sega, so maybe they'll respect me!
@@kai_fatallysapphic That just makes you a beta cuck..
Even Sonic 06 was a rushed game, Mephiles was a well-written character!
probably the reason why it was rushed. then again, maybe Mephiles was rushed too and the developers just got him perfect by fluke
Nitroboost245 - NitroNation Leader
Maybe....xD
@@Nitroboost245 It makes me sad how likely this is...
@@Nitroboost245 It was time constraints(1 year development only).
Something cool about Sonic ‘06 that I ended up particularly enjoying was the villain(s). The designs were actually pretty good, with Memphis Tennessee and Iblis all showing how those characters were. The final boss being Solaris (?) was actually kinda neat, and I kinda liked the design they went with. The story to the game was good too, and honestly it’d probably be amazing if it actually wasn’t a sonic game.
Welcome to my gamer pad... Not many girls come here because i get friendszoned so frequently
Alexis the Hyena
Priceless referrence. XD
Alexis the Hyena I like the friendzone, I like friends
It's not as pleasant as you think... They don't treat you like a friend... they treat you like an item...
Somehow I wish I can be more than...just an ACCESSORY to these women, but as a gamer I don't get respect.
@@BlueRyuu246 I'm not a gamer. So maybe...they'll respect me!
Memphis Tennessee WAS a great villain.
And an alpha gamer.
Why I like Mephiles:
He is an actual threat
He has good depth.
He looks cool.
He’s a hedgehog and not some huge monster type thing so he seems very powerful for who he is.
And not built built by eggman
And he doesnt have a mouth,weird...
not really a hedgehog, he just took the shape of shadow so he could have a physical form
And he's voices by Dan Green
So metal sonic.You're thinking of metal sonic
Sega should just remake 06. They wouldn't necessarily have change many things about the game's story, just fix the glitches, improve the graphics, etc.
Remixtrick Fans creators are remaking sonic 06 you should check it out if you want
And get rid of the human and hedgehog romance
I do think they would need to patch up the story.
Fm 64 WAIT REALLY
Twistan Connor yes plz i disliked that
I’ve always believed that Sonic the Hedgehog should have what I can a “Maypole Character Story”, wherein you introduce your main character in your first installment, establish them, and when introducing other characters and villains they have more interesting stories, development, and interactions. This kinda thing is what I feel the Adventure Era of Sonic got down and what’s made it (in my opinion) the best era of Sonic in terms of characters and writing. Sonic was the protagonist, but his friends all developed in their own ways because of their interactions and relationship with Sonic and the villains all had a specific narrative theme to them.
Chaos and Gerald were fueled by their hatred and sorrow, resulting in them wanting to destroy the world.
Black Doom intended to destroy Earth while taking advantage of a powerful weapon he could control. That being Shadow who was resurrected with barely any of his memories.
Mephilis was a being of pure darkness intent on becoming a god, ruling over all of Time itself.
As for Sonics friends, Tails learned to become his own kind of hero based on his time with Sonic.
Amy became less dependent upon Sonic and start protecting herself.
Shadow found his peace with the trauma of his past, his creation, and would try to help protect the world in his own way (even if he is too edgy to admit that).
This is why I feel the later Sonic games have been disappointing narrative wise. They throw out the “Maypole Character Story” idea and instead just have Sonic save the day every time while all his friends just sit on the sidelines not doing much.
Red Blade Renegade
Wow! I totally agree with you! I miss that narrative as well!
Red Blade Renegade It’s the same with sonic Unleashed too. Most of the character development was for Chip and who helped him with that? Sonic 🤔
Black Knight did a great job of adding more to his character without necessarily having to develop him much more. You get to actually see his philosophical side and his beliefs like life having an end is what makes it great and something going on forever isn’t necessarily a good thing. But it mostly has the effect that you described with the other characters developing because of him like stopping Gawain from killing himself and helping Merlina overcome her grief and fear. One of the reasons it's up in my top 10
Sonic games
Aside from Dark Gaia, Mephiles was the only villain in the Sonic series to truly make you feel that everything was on the line when dealing with him. He set a standard for the series that no other villain has been able to match TO DATE and it’s sad that they won’t expand on the foundation he made for the Sonic series.
With The End making their appearance to the series, the comment is now currently outdated
@@__0bliv1on__ the end? you mean that joke of final boss in sonic frontiers?
I've avoided '06 everything because of the rep it gets, even though I've always wanted to play it because the story always sounded interesting... I feel like I should at least watch a playthrough just to get a feel for this character... Yes, bring him back, SEGA.
I'd suggest playing it. It only gets a bad rep because at the time it was a disappointment and fans didn't like the change from the Adventure style, or the new voice actors. It's actually not that bad unless you deliberately hunt for the glitches.
@@lorddanny2988 That's the first time anyone has ever encouraged me to play '06. I'd love to, but I'm waiting for backwards compatibility on Xbox One... If they ever do it...
Definitely give it a go! It's maybe not for everyone but it's about as shounen as SA1 and S2, and in a lot of ways it's easily the most narratively ambitious game in the series. A three-way time travelling epic with an emphasis on more dramatic elements, it doesn't fulfil all it's potential that's for sure, but it's about as high brow as the series has gotten. I'd kill for a better shot at what this game was going for.
Same!!! But I have the game! And only played a little bit of it, I’ve been a play through, Sonic 06 is’nt even bad expect for Elise kisses Sonic.
@@HiddenWhiteFang same!
Mephiles was the only one to LITERALLY KILL SONIC... Not even Eggman did that...
No, he is best villain by a landslide...
Eggman never killed Sonic but the moment in SA2 where he almost did is still pretty iconic
While I do think Mephilis is a great villain, my favorite sonic character is metal sonic.
I mean to be fair, Mephilles just sneak attacked Sonic while he was minding his own business. Eggman wouldn't do that, he wants to prove he's superior, and completely outmatch Sonic in every way possible (and make him suffer). So a normal surprise kill isn't really how Eggman does things. After all there were a lot of chances Eggman's had if he wanted to just kill him
He's just metal sonic,but he can talk.
Gaming Sensei also, Sonic never once meets Mephiles in the entire game, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t even know he exists lol
Good villain, bad game.
Imagine what Sonic 06 would've been like with a better staff and 1 more year in development.
Like Unleashed had.
Imagine an alternate universe where people love Sonic '07 and praise it like the best Sonic game...
@@marcodestefano7119 And as a bonus if it was Sonic 07 then there would be no Sonic and the secret rings! Epic Win.
No forces had more time and look at it
@@topcoppelion6626 we wouldnt get darkspine dat bad
The entire comment section is just SnapCube references.
I know right? The SnapCube fan dubs is basically the new Dragon Ball Z Abridged where people won’t stop quoting them.
WELCOME TO TILTED TOWERS
Ok?
So basically 'dark' version of Shadow... which Shadow was essentially dark Sonic...
So, dark-dark Sonic?
@chiliad You just said it without that pass. 😱
@chiliad Lol.
Nah... 🤔 more like darker or way darker Sonic 😂
Shadow - Daniel
Mephiles - cooler Daniel
Your profile mactches exactly what u said here.literally.
I think SEGA should give Mephiles a chance, either allowing their employees or even their fans to remake Sonic 06 to the way it should be, or let Ian Flynn use his early concept for the Shadow Fall arc from the Archie Comics and use it for a new game or in the IDW comics.
FYI: there are some fans that are working on a mod called “Legacy of Solaris” that is to fix the rushed and unfairly hated game.
Well, it is fairly hated for some reasons. A lot of reasons actually. The hate is over amplified, but "rushed development" is not a get out of jail card. They decided to split the development on it, they decided to rush it to launch, it's their fault.
I'd like to see that fan mod though...
Might I ask what the original concept for Shadow Fall was?
@@ofbeastsandblades4570 I think it was the Black Arms Invasion that has been building up from #171 of Archie's Sonic, and it was stated that Mephiles was going to make an appearance as well.
Hmm, interesting.
@@strubberyg7451 How is it their fault for rushing something just because people broke apart from the team, and it was THEIR decision. It just sounds like you're hating on someone's good effort, but I'd kinda appreciate if you'd elaborate on what you we're saying.
Honestly at this point, there is no harm in bringing him back. You can even right around the whole erasing the events thing and say that he managed to slip through the cracks of time and travel to another dimension. Now that doesn't mean everyone will remember him from that time, but he remembers them and plot for revenge! I would like him to be a boogey man for Silver, he haunts him in his dreams, and appears like a hallucination kind of Slade was to Robin in Teen Titan's. At this point, there are ways for SEGA and Sonic Team to bring back this character without contradicting 06's ending!
I’d be up for a full-on remake of 06, honestly. With enough time and effort, it could be the great game it was meant to be
there’s a fan remake in progress of 06 and gameplay wise it’s really good so far
@@grim6865 hey, is it up?
@@grim6865 serious??
@@fatfrancis1106 Sonic P-06 is still in the works, but the gameplay got reworked and it's amazing!
I do agree with you that his appearance in 06 was iconic and that he shouldnt return. I personally feel that him returning would definitely affect his value as a character and could possibly be damaged if hes not presented right.
Eddie B. Despite the infamy of his debut game, Mephiles proved to be an extremely popular Sonic villain.
Just like Shadow. Shadow would be held much more dearly if he just stayed dead, but now he's just "one more friend".
Eichro should noted shadow is second most popular character after sonic
@@Eichroeh I like shadow being alive...still think he's overrated AF though
I mostly agree with you; Mephiles coming back in newer games would affect the quality of his character, but I personally think that he should be reintroduced so a wider population of Sonic fans can see what an ACTUALLY decent Sonic villain is.
How could this be accomplished? I think Sonic 06 should be remade (hopefully by a more competent team and without rushed deadlines), thus keeping Mephiles in his "original game" while making the game more relevant to younger people (because I doubt that anyone who didn't already have a copy of 06 would just stumble upon a video like this and go "hey I should go buy a game that's more than a decade old").
I think that Mephiles could still "reappear" in future games, in a sense...Basically, the writers (probably in that 06 remake that I still want) just need to insert some lore about how (after beating 06 or an 06 remake) Mephiles may not have been born, but due to his time-manipulation powers some part of him still exists in the time-space continuum; That, coupled with Time Eater's appearance and theme, would be enough to imply that Time Eater is canonically that leftover part of Mephiles.
Hell, if they wanted to take the idea even farther, the writers could maybe even say that Dark Gaia is also a part of Mephiles (though I'm really only saying that based on its coloration and the minions you fight as Were Sonic); If they changed the Phantom Ruby's colors from red to purple, the writers could even possibly get away with saying that Infinite is being influenced to behave like Mephiles (by implying that the Phantom Ruby is also a part of Mephiles), which could then explain why he's a...rather shitty imitation of Mephiles (since he's not Mephiles, but with his thoughts and actions being indirectly influenced by him).
I mean...this idea would overwrite a lot of pre-established Sonic lore, but honestly, a lot of the existing Sonic lore is shit anyways and it would create some cohesion between the games...somewhat.
Mephiles is practically Segas Darth Maul. A cool looking, interesting character that fans had wanted to see more of and yet the company behind them refuse to do so.
Darth maul had other appearances though, unlike Mephiles...
@@marcodestefano7119 I don't think appearances in media like the Clone Wars (cannon) are able to be compared to Mobile game cash-ins..
Plus both were introduced in a game/movie that concept wise, had a really good story, but was poorly executed.
Opposite, actually. Darth Maul appears way too much, despite already serving his purpose; Mephiles has a lot of remaining potential but it still hasn't been taken advantage of.
Its Memphis,
Memphis Tennessee
I prefer mee-philes
And he will make you respect his name
Honestly, one of the things to me that makes him the best Villain of any Sonic game to me, is the fact that HE'S THE ONLY ONE TO EVER ACTUALLY KILL SONIC, AND HE DID IT IN TEN SECONDS OR LESS.
Eggman: I have over 30 years of experience with dealing with that gosh darn hedgehog!
Mephiles: ... *kills Sonic in just one, precise, and deadly strike*
Eggman: HOW?!
@@Therevengeforget "He stepped on my front lawn."
"The main antagonist of the game was a monster which seemed to consist of nothing but DARKNESS"
Okay, I believe you
Darkness after darkness after darkness after darkness
So Infinite adopted the dark, while Mephiles was born in it. Let the Bane jokes commence.
Another thing seems to be after changing, Mephiles doesn't seem to move his eyes to look at characters, he turns his head to stare dead at them.
That's true. I only remember his eye moving once and that was during his first cutscene with Shadow.
"I too have insomnia. But unlike you, it is not because I have depression. You see, I stay up late to play Fortnite and go to Tilted Towers" - Memphis Tennessee
Queen Thalia the Graceful
XDDDDDDD
It's an absolute shame that the game was never delayed. The result is an absolute clusterfuck, but it had so much potential.
The only way Mephiles could possibly return is if SEGA remakes Sonic 06 in a way that it's supposed to be...
I personally hope that SEGA would remake Sonic 06 & make it into the 15th Anniversary Sonic game we've all wanted generations ago, who agrees?
That would be the best! That game needs a proper remastering, _especially_ those awful in-game cutscenes that are just a pain to watch. With the modern technology and lots of experience, Sonic '06 can be turned into the absolute best Sonic game that has ever existed!
@@humanarian ive always liked the sonic 06 idea and story just not the gameplay. i think that a lot of things can be done really really right with sonic 06 since it really is a continuation of the sonic adventure games. but, hey, who knows. id like moreand better but this is sega we are talking about
Soldier 76 | It wouldn't work. The game has so much bad blood around it and you'd only be reminding people of your greatest failure. Trying to convince already scarred consumers that this time it'll be different? They may as well try and re-make the Star Wars Prequels while they're at it. Sure, you'd buy the game, but not very many people share your faith. You'd have to throw everything you had at the project to show people it wouldn't be the same, and at that point the risk of losing everything would be to high.
I think that there is a project dedicated to remaster Sonic 06 by ChaosX, and so far it's pretty good concerning the gameplay.
@@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth Did you know people can now easily search for gameplays in CZcams? If people see the game, they will most likely see gameplays of it before buying. So, if the game is good, people are gonna buy it and it could change how 06 is always considered the horrible Sonic game.
I hope he returns some day, such a villain deserves to appear in more than one game, I love how chilling he was.
Mephiles is probably the best sonic villain in the franchise tbh. Cant think of anyone else with the same amount of character and conceptualization as him
But Eggman is funny
OH MY GOD
I LEGIT THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT WANTS TO SEE HIM AGAIN
I mean, the game is shit, but he’s my favourite Sonic villain hands down.
Love how one of the worst games has one of the best villains.
Infinite's just a bootleg Mephiles, if anything. More bark than bite, far less developed and not even half as intimidating.
@@mrreyes5004 and best soundtracks
He's my favorite *character*
Mephiles:*kills sonic*
Eggman:TEACH ME YOUR WAYS!!!
Ha Ha nice joke 😂
Eggman could’ve easily killed Sonic in Unleashed with the device he used to turn him into a Werehog
wolftrooper 359 he didn’t mean to pull it out
The Prince Vegeta At this point I don’t think Eggman really truly wants to kill Sonic. I mean what would he do after? He’d probably create Eggman Land and after a while get bored 😂
Mephiles was a sonic character that sometimes reminded me of a final fantasy villain. I don’t like him as much as die hard fans but he was interesting and probably one of the best sonic villains so far.
He was like Sega's own Organization XIII.
Every time it shows footage of Mephiles, i can hear the Sonic 06 Fandub
There's a quote I said to me friend a while back
It's "A good villain can make even a bad story great"
and that's true for Mephiles, wouldn't you agree?
Well, Sonic 06 still wasn't a good story, but it would've been far worse without someone like Mephiles
Yes luv i agree with u whole heartedly
No because that makes no sense
@@Cromwell2903 agreed
The only redeeming quality was him
Today's Sega can't be trusted in bringing back the Mephiles we saw in 06, they want money not deep storylines :(
Still, some slight references in the main games would be a nice touch, but again, today's Sega isn't good at handling character depth (take a look at forces tails)
Every company wants money.
More like the actual Sonic team doesn't understand their previous creations.
I actually think they put more focus in the story than gameplay now or days. Not every Sonic game has to be more dark and "OMG fate rests on Sonic" than the last. But, that's story based gaming for ya.
Here's an idea---focus on Sonic and Metal (Sonic) for a game. Doesn't need to be Heroes or anything, but Unleashed did well with so few characters.
What's stupid because deep storylines + hard work make lots of more money
@@marx4538 Duh. But most company pleases fans, Sega at this point instead of giving us a cake they just toss mud pies at our feet
I like how you say Mephiles couldn’t come back cause of his fate in 06, but we all know Sega doesn’t care about continuity anymore!
Classic Sonic and Blaze’s backstories for example. They got changed with just a rewrite and nothing else.
So yeah they could just bring him back with a new backstory cause Sega just doesn’t care really that much about plot holes or continuity anymore! :D
Blaze's backstory changed?Isn't she still from another dimension?
And Classic Sonic,that's more of a mess than anything.
Felipe_ DrawMania No in 06 they changed her backstory to just being the future with Silver. She isn’t even a Queen anymore and just Silvers mentor lol-
@@melsthetrashlord4108 I pretty sure they don't acknowledge that anymore.
@@melsthetrashlord4108 The one who truly got confusing was Eggman Nega.
Felipe_ DrawMania Hm yeah, but I’m not sure if they honestly changed Blaze’s backstory back to normal or not. Tho if you take Sonic Forces as is she isn’t there at all, so I guess you can use the as confirming she is back in her own dimension? I don’t know Sega is weird with Sonic lore-
Sonic 06 was obviously a bad game but if it gave us anything good besides the soundtrack it’s Silver and Mephiles. The biggest thing with Mephilies is that as much as I love Eggman. He’s hard to take serious because he’s a goof ball villain. Mephilies is a serious villain that is ruthless and evil in a way Eggman just isn’t. I had a ton of hope for Infinite even if he wasn’t Mephilies but his writing honestly ruined him
Mephiles is the most focused sonic bad guy. The closest we have gotten was metal sonic in sonic heroes.
I'll be honest, I like this character despite the many flaws he had, and his voice is so unsettling, it's perfect.
06 is underrated for so many reasons it's sad
"They don't treat you like a friend, they treat you like an item. I want to be more than just an accessory."
BTW the first scene of mephelis you saw was also my first scene of him.
I remember 1st grade and when I saw the scene where he killed sonic I got scared af
Mephiles actually appeared in the scrouge comic where he’s in jail
hah yeah, I liked that little reference, it seemed to imply he knew Scourge in a way lol
Perhaps he was the Anti-Shadow, then.
Soma Cruz the Demigod of Balance nah shadow is more of a anti mephiles
@@discountaccountstudios8789 Are you sure? Mephiles copied Shadow's appearance, therefore he's an Anti-Shadow.
HarmonyBunny yes
I’m glad people still talk about this Villian, I want him back
Infinite: Dragon Ball Z villain.
Mephiles: Lovable Dragon Ball Z villain.
So infinite is Fat Buu as a villain and mephiles is cell or frieza or something
@@kaptainkibiroproductions45 Yeah. Something like that. Except Mephiles actually has a temper that lasts more than 1.5 seconds worth of dynamite. Also, he looks cooler.
Nah, i'd say Mephiles is what the majority of Z villains are (quality), and Infinite what Super's villains are (trash)
@@disappointed8759 tbf Super literally only had ONE villain lol
I just thought about this: what if they brought back mephiles to manipulate infinite? And not only that, but to think like him too? That would be badass
My idea as to how Mephilies could come back, is if he was in Shadow's mind.
He couldn't mind control him, he couldn't hurt him, he's just an entity inside of Shadow's mind.
He could manipulate Shadow in a certain way, saying stuff like "This is the only way, this is how it was meant to be."
It could be interesting nonetheless, cuz that would imply that Shadow is the only one who remembers the events of Sonic 06.
Agree although it will probably make sense if Mephiles communicated by Shadow’s shadow.
Yeah, something like that.
Or in Shadow’s reflection in water.
That seems creepy and definitely something Mephiles would do.
Why would Shadow be the only one to remember the events of Sonic 06?
I don't see why Shadow would be the only one to remember, its implied that Sonic and Elise remember partially
Well for two reasons.
1:Cuz he’s the ultimate life form.
2:In my head, I would imagine that the only kind of people that could remember a time wipe, are androids.
(That’s what I would say, anyway)
I think that sounds interesting, and it could add more to Shadow’s character, with us asking how does he handle those memories?
If they bring Mephiles back, they need Iblis for it....but other than that there is nothing really to stop him from reappearing. In my opinion they just erased this specific timeline in the game from happening - but Solaris is time itself so....who know maybe thy are split in some other timeline and this Mephiles makes it back to our current timeline. And if Blaze really has Iblis flames which is heavily implied (being from another dimension - the dimension she sealed herself to in 06, the sol dimension) maaaybe they could do something with Blaze in the future - and Silver because he is a great character too. Maybe those ideas could be some plotlines for an upcoming Silver the Hedgehog game....one can dream, right?
Anyways I am glad I am not the only one that really loves Mephiles...great video as always, thank you!
It's just that the lack of his appearances in games kinda bothers me. It seems that Sega doesn't like him that much.
He doesn't need iblis
his powers were back in generations i guess
Well lord Danny made a video on how he could return without iblis. Basically he would be made from the goo from the black comet and fused with Shadow’s DNA. I’d advise watching that because Lord Danny explained it much better
The 06 version of Mephiles was prevented from being born, before the timelines split, so all versions of him and Iblis were erased simultaneously. However, the Ian Flynn idea has some merit, and perhaps he might even retain his memories of 06... 🤔🤔🤔
I am so happy that Mephiles is getting attention now, and even better, it's been revealed that he's getting into the mobile app "Sonic Forces: Speed Battle" later in October 2022.
Also, another thing about Infinite and Mephiles is that Infinite wanted to end literally everything JUST because he was called weak, nothing else. Mephiles was part of Solaris and didn't care if he was insulted or not. No insults changed his character whatsoever, while Infinite changed into a whiny child with anger issues.
Mephiles eye's are more Pink/Green than Red/Yellow.
I don't get why some fans thought he was Infinite Just for the Eyes
Yay finally someone else gets it
@@tantris2876 no?
"Look at my eyes I'm so fucking high right now!"
If Mephiles's game is Sonic 06 that's a sad legacy for such a good villain. 😂
Do you like sonic adventure?
@@CompletelyChaotic Yeah. 1 and 2 were both really good.
Obi-Wan Kenobi See, this is why you were the only good character in the prequels.
A lot of people talk crap about overly dark or edgy characters in games, but I like them both ironically and unironically if they are done right. Infinite had so much potential, but in the end he just gets overshadowed, which is exactly the opposite of what you want from a "big bad." Mephiles on the other hand is exactly what I want from a dark/evil character. Good villains have the ability to turn a good game into a great game if given the chance. To that end I'd love to see a return of Mephiles in some form or another after all their more recent failed villains.
Pale Dragon
Yes, but with the current plots, even if Mephiles returned, ge might not be the way we expected him to be. We need good writing in Sonic games before that.
Mephiles true form legit scared me when I first played the game, defeating him at end of Shadow's story also felt like a good fight and the ending was epic. I felt terrified when he killed Sonic, I think what makes him special is that he's just pure evil, strong af and manipulative
He’s probably my second favorite Sonic villain, after Neo Metal Sonic.
I feel like they should've remade sonic 06 and just made everything better.
Yeah and finish it
It would be awesome if they just fixed the glitches and gameplay mechanics. Added better attacks and fixed the camera. Also remove that Elise scene... that was disturbing
@@dhamin8168 Better tracks? Shiiit those song tracks in 06 were fucking good homie.
Shadowless Day I think you misread. I said better attacks. The soundtrack was phenomenal.
@@dhamin8168 lmao wth and yeah man those attacks do need fixing I agree lol my bad. The Music was so good that everytime I hear an accordion I think back to 06's accordion man playing away and me stopping just to listen
Like say what you will about 06, Mephiles is a high of that game. He kept the story entertaining, was the only one to kill Sonic and pose an actual threat to reality itself, was actually outclassing Shadow and tried to manipulate Silver into killing him as a means to change the future (which was a lie obviously). So powerful even Eggman had to do truce with the gang to take him down. The fact that he popped up as a playable character in Runners showed they do in fact still acknowledge that he exists. Ian Flynn even believed that the Time Eater (Gens main threat) was what remained of Mephiles in the new timeline. He was more cunning, evil and ruthless than Zavok and Infinite could have been. He HAS to return at some point.
@SMD sth91 somebody never played SA2, Sonic Heroes or Shadow The Hedgehog then. This wasnt his first forced truce with the gang.
@SMD sth91 who said anything about the pure evil AU Robotnik from that cartoon? I was talking about the Dr. Ivo 'Eggman' Robotnik from the actual games like the canon version of the guy. Anything your aforementioned Robotnik is doing is a different scenario than the Dr. Eggman of the games. Theres a thing called Alternative Universes. Which should be there to differenciate in this case the Eggy from the games from the Eggy from the cartoon and comics. They. Are Not. The Same. Person. They may share certain aspects, but they arent alike. At least not 1:1.
@SMD sth91 another bunch of AUs not canon to the main games. Pretty sure the promo comic for Sonic 1 is irrelevant nowadays.
@SMD sth91 bruh your looking too deep into the stuff. He is a human. The only important one at that.
In the games, Eggman has admitted to only caring about the people's existence, because he can't rule an empty planet. In 06, his own life was on the line, so he helped the heroes in order to survive. If there's one thing he can be relied on to keep in mind, it's self-preservation!
Mephiles is the best villain in Sonic's franchise
One of Sonic Team's biggest problems is confusing "dark and intimidating" with "edgy." Its a very, _very_ important line you mustn't cross, but they've shown time and time again that they really aren't know where that line _is._
From a villain design perspective, consider someone like Darth Vader as you epitome of "dark and intimidating." There's a reason that character works so well, and there's a reason you'd never consider the guy "edgy."
Of course we want him back! It's DAN GREEN!
I think SEGA is just embarassed over Sonic 06 and want to forget it ever happened.
Ima Space Person I agree
Remake the Darned game Sega! Fix all the goddarned Glitches and the loading screens!
No one would want to play the fixed version though still.
Considering they chucked the best level from that game into Sonic Generations i believe they still hold some value to it.
The Edge Gods of SEGA
Shadow
Infinite
Mephiles
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@Medal Cat oh wow i didnt knew ;-;
Infinite: Kylo Ren
Mephiles: Darth Vader
Didn’t Vader turn good tho? I didn’t watch the main trilogy, I don’t know...
I think he’s closer to Palpatine than Vader.
Infinite: Kylo Ren
Mephiles: Darth Sidious
Shadow: Darth Vader
@@topcoppelion6626 True , then Eggman is Darth Tyranus,
Grand Moff Wilhuff Tarkin,
And Supreme Leader and Allegiant General Enric Pryde
You merely adopted the darkness. I was born into it, molded by it.
as garbage as sonic 06 is gameplay/bug wise i still think the story is really good. sure the whole elise story is kinda cringey but the rest was fantastic. and well much better than any story the sonic series has seen since then
Vareos Potshoterzz yh
Yeah I agree. If they were to remake it I’d say
•Inprove gameplay and graphics(Obviously)
•Remove the whole human hedgehog thing, that was wack.
Games with better stories since:
Colours. Secret rings. Lost world. Boom. Generations.
You might not like them as much but they are at least way more coherent
@@Unethical.Dodgson unleashed, secret rings, and maybe black knight have good stories, everything else are just lame comedy plots with some serious moments here and there, specially lost world which is the laziest, ever since 06 they are just afraid to do an ambitious plot or giving the spotlight to any other character but sonic and eggman
All they have to do to the story is either add a bf for elise, to make saving elise more important or just get rid of the romance
I love mephiles,
When I first got back into the sonic fandom his design was so captivating and I loved it.
He's the best because he's an alpha gamer
Too bad he gets friendzoned so frequently.
Infinite is a tryhard edgelord, whereas Mephiles came across as someone you couldn't trust at first, and someone you should genuinely fear by the end. He wasn't some emo wannabe villain monologuing about hopelessness and fear, he was a manipulator who's calm and measured mannerisms made him unnerving and even somewhat frightening. And the level of power he obtained by the end of the game made him the single strongest entity that Sonic and his friends ever had to face. Not to mention that in a way, he had succeeded in a way that no other villain has. Sure, Infinite beat Sonic, but he didn't kill him and was so obsessed with making other people feel hopeless that he himself allowed the person who would end up being instrumental in beating him to live and provide the motivation to do so, not to mention sparing Sonic's life like a damn fool. Too bad Sonic 06 was one of the worst Sonic games, because it had the best Sonic Villain.
It's amazing how time changes because back then Mephiles was the edgelord villain. Honestly just make another Sonic game with some time and care put into it first. Sonic Mania was a good start but let's see something like that for 3D.
Moostached Saiyan Prince IMO Merlina was the best villain.
@@NotaPizzaGRL Honestly, 06 is extremely underrated imo, I didn't see any bugs while playing, and the shit people say they find is normally in places you'd never go into the game, and you need to fucking keep hitting a wall until you can clip it (gamegrumps wall clipping being used as a reason to say the game is bad boils my blood to unreasonable amounts, what the actual fuck, do people really need to make that many stretches to call the game bad, sonic kisses a human that's already enough), very few of the complaints are things you'd normally find throughout the whole game, Mephiles being edgelord probably being one of the stretches people made.
Also silver's battle takes the same amount of time to beat as the first boss, why everyone keeps calling it unbalanced
@@-hello6177 Depends on what happened in Silver battles. Really only hated 4 things from 06 personally.
1. Sonic x Elise ship in game... Just... no... gross and weird. Also they over sexualized the heck out of Elise. That outfit is just so very inappropriate and the storyline focused too much on shipping towards the end.
2. Elise levels... the controls became very demanding and hard to handle in Elise levels turning was very wide so you were likely to hit a wall or obstacle often, and the "shield" was difficult to use as it required perfect timing, and was almost impossible to deal with annoying enemies.
3. Boss battles in the Sonic Storylines. Sonic bosses mainly cause the mechanics and controls could be inconsistent at times or the arenas are just badly designed... like the first Silver Boss fight for example. So many objects that just get in the way making it hard to get around or away and the arena is so small on top of being cluttered that getting caught by Silver means you will likely get trapped on the walls of the arena and spam killed, mainly thanks to Sega slapping a weird knockdown animation for being hit rather than I-Frames like in every other Sonic game.
4. Silver level puzzles and general navigation in the game. Personally I hated Silver's levels because the game never helped you figure out puzzles or anything outside of the basics of using Silver. Then the general navigation system of the game was annoying when you had to go somewhere in the overworld but given zero context or clues about where or how to go there. (Which is what the Grumps ran into first. But in some fairness to the game this is Arin "doesn't pay attention" Hanson who doesn't ever do tutorials or just clicks through everything. Resorting to using a guide in games you shouldn't need them like Wind Waker and more recently Phoenix Wright. Grumps are not really the best to go too for honest gameplay just more laughs and satire.) But the whole game was just too open with the overworld and never helped the player out when they needed it.
Its just all those things happening in a short time that ruin it and Sonic 06 is just not fun to play until you get to shadow levels or late game Sonic ones. Silver is only fun for the first mission then they throw him into environments and puzzles thag are just not suited or hard to use him in.
@@francisharkins I can confidently say that I'm shit at puzzles, and even more so about me from three years ago, so me from when I played sonic 06, yeah if he can do it and yall having problems then you just dumb
(agree 100% on elise levels, very slow, demanding I don't remember really)
"Slightly flawed story"
Bruh
He totally could have just stabbed Elise, making her involuntarily cry.
There was no reason at all to set up Silver to kill Sonic, Mephiles proved he could do that no problem.
I'm pretty sure only emotional tears work, but even then he could've just went forward in time and killed sonic after she got attached to him or just reunite with Iblis in the future, or he could've just killed Elise
@@DaReelSlimN80 oh fuck yeah I didn't even think about that last one, reuniting in the future. Since Solaris IS time and space, it wouldn't really matter where or when they fused into one again. By not restricting Mephiles' powers, the writers made him TOO competent a villain. He even could have gone back right after the failed experiment that separated them and joined back right there.
I believe it was explained that Iblis had evolved to not be able to refuse with Mephiles.
Now why couldn't he do it the moment Iblis escapes in the future? Why couldn't he refuse with Iblis by going back before Iblis was sealed? Well i think that has to do with Time Shenanigans. He was already there. So what would've happened to himself if he fused with Iblis and became Solaris infront of his past self? What about the moment Iblis escapes in the future? Perhaps Mephiles and Iblis have to be from the same time in order to fuse with eachother. We don't really know. And trust me. They're never gonna explain it
There’s a reason the story was erased from existence
N8THEGR8 Whenever time travel is involved there will ALWAYS be plot holes. You just have to use suspension of disbelief and not think about it too much.
Trying to watch this vid while not refering back to the name Mephiles recieved in the Sonic Fandub was a challenge 😂
They don't treat you like a friend, they treat you like an *item*
Mephiles was ironically the light in sonic 06
If that damm princes didn’t exist, sonic 06’s plot would be perfect
His name is Memphis Tennessee and you better respect his name.
But gamers don't get respect.
@@CoffeeholicAlien He is an alpha gamer
I think instead of zavok, mephiles should have been one of infinite's illusions
Yeah no one likes Zavok