Did Shadow Make Mephiles Evil? | Mephiles Month
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Showdown With Mephiles from Sonic the Hedgehog 2006
The Black Shadow from Sonic the Hedgehog 2006
The Resurrection of Mephiles from Sonic the Hedgehog 2006
The End of the World from Sonic the Hedgehog 2006
Aquatic Base (Level 1) from Sonic the Hedgehog 2006
Aquatic Base (Level 2) from Sonic the Hedgehog 2006
The Time-Space Rift from Sonic the Hedgehog 2006
Before the Story from Deltarune
Infinite's Beginning from Sonic Forces
Mephiles Phase 2 from Sonic the Hedgehog 2006
Mephiles Phase 1 from Sonic the Hedgehog 2006 - Zábava
I also like to think that Mephiles was technically right with this "Sonic is responsible for the world destruction".
If Sonic had never bonded with Elise, she wouldn't have cried when Mephiles killed him. If he let Elise get kidnapped by Eggman I'm sure nothing would happen. Remember: Eggman is willing to cooperate with good guys if there is a greater danger willing to destroy the whole world, like he did in SA1, 2, Heroes, Sonic X and Shadow the Hedgehog. He also wanted to steal sealed Mephiles from Rouge and Shadow, meaning he knew what Mephiles is and probably wanted to resolve the problem by doing research. He was also terrified when Mephiles broke free. In conclusion: Eggman is a true hero of Sonic 06.
Darkeu『OWL』 you make a good point, Eggman isn’t the same kind of evil as other villains like Erazor Djinn, Black Doom and others. Eggman is always willing to help the good guys if there is a greater danger, he wants to rule the world not destroy it.
I mean, we barely know what eggman wanted to do in 06 anyways, aside from that he wanted to make the timemachine he made more accurate by getting data from solaris and that he wanted the chaos emeralds yet again.
Eggman is a friendly enemy who just wants a good fight instead of killing sonic and his friends like in Sonic X and Sonic Boom series.
In episode 53 of Sonic X, Eggman had a great chance to rule the world but he was sad because he didnt had Sonic to fight with anymore.
In episode 26 of Sonic X, Eggman even asks Sonic to stop fighting because he dont want to kill him
@@shivansh3387 i agree eggman is friendly enemy like what Pokemon did
I swear, I wish sonic games could be this dark/deep..
... This is actually an interesting idea. What if Shadow didn't seal Mephiles, maybe if he talked to the blob then maybe he can let him live his life. Like a parallel of Maria being the one to influence Shadow. If not for her, he would no doubt been full villain or Black Doom's most loyal soldier. Like it makes sense. MAYBE... Mephiles and Shadow... could have been friends. That's an interesting theory.
interessting connection there since shadow would have never done anything wrong regardless of marias influence if someone else did not screw him over.
@@lpfan4491 True but Maria did sort of made Shadow the way he is regardless of amnesia.
I'm so glad that there's someone else in the world that loves Mephiles like i do.
I Love Mephitis too he is My favorite Sonic character
@@DogWarrior1010 yeah I love mephiles too he is my favorite sonic villain and infinite is my second Favorite Sonic villain
I love his character but he deserves better. So does all of the characters in 06. If only they had more time...
@Rodney Langston Stop attempting to spam people. No one is going to fall for it.
@@Rainbow_dash67. #SameHereMan
Make sense to me because that's the only reason I can see him becoming Evil & thats also another reason why he HATES Shadow & wants to kill him
I’m more curious with what would have happened if the Scepter of Darkness hadn’t been dropped? What would Eggman have done with Mephiles? He already has the power to travel through time. Would he need to revive Solaris to rule the world? Would Mephiles even obey? Could he take over Elise’s body as Solaris and rule the entirety of Soleanna and the world? There is so much possibility with this one though alone.
Honestly having Mephilis like that, a lost soul that learns what the world is and just messing around with powers he has could be interesting material for an AU, hell maybe even if Mephilis was in this form he could become a bit of a parallel nemesis to Shadow during STH events like how Vision became parallel nemesis to Ultron in MCU, basically thye had to be the same thing, but thye just looked at things from different perspectives and this let to them clashing not only on level of physical combat but also ideologies, or maybe even have an epic battle between Mephilis intentionally becoming Solaris for this encounter, and Dark Gaia... like hell there is so many posibilities
I feel this what could be a possibility in the Sonic multi universe type thing which now that I say it this actually feels conon
mephiles is the greatest villain of all times
Did Shadow make Mephiles evil? Well, in the game yes. But lets be honest with each other and give some thoughts. Mephiles being trapped in the scepter of darkness for a decade, it's likely how he became mad with thoughts of revenge all because the world already knew what he was before he could do anything (mainly Shadow and Silver). For all we know, Mephiles could've been a innocent curious being who just wanted some answers of life itself and why he was created. Now I'm might be getting a little of topic on the subject on what I'm gonna talk about but hear me out.
If you recall my take of Shadow being like Riku from Kingdom Hearts, Mephiles would've been Roxas mixed with Vanitas, who seek answers of the world it lives in and having powers beyond our wildest dreams. Being the dark half of the fiery spirit, he'd likely get some kind of form once Mephiles touched a random shadow, and if there's no animals in sight then he'd likely would take a form of a monk (just imagine a hooded Organization 13 member from Kingdom Hearts but with some glowing colors). Why? Well, for one Kingdom Valley was once the home for the people of Soleanna and two there would've been monks doing some religious stuff where there were some old churches and ruins still standing.
Anyway, should he not get imprisoned by Shadow in a alternate timeline, Mephiles would've gone into hiding for a while until the storm has settled with the whole lab incident. Mephiles would've spent time in Kingdom Valley's lost villages, looking into Soleanna's history of Solaris, the phoenix eagle, and wonder why the o mighty bird deformed into a simple flame. You could imagine I'm taking a Xehanort approach here, as Mephiles is the mind of Solaris, when he would discover the answer of Solaris's deformation, the answer comes to him but only to probably recall the day Mephiles and Iblis were both created as 2 separate dark entities with differences. Yes Solaris's spirit flame was experimented on with dark energy, but who knows if it caused some damage to split parts of the original spirit into two separate entities. Remembering that day, Mephiles would then go finding Iblis, only to question it's whereabouts. And since there's a volcano in the future, there's likely a dormant volcano around the land where Iblis remains to gather its strength. Mephiles would've seek Iblis out to see if they would come together, join their spirits into one by recreating Solaris and give it knowledge. It would've been likely as Chaos has some conscience of it's own in Sonic Adventure as it was being more then just some monster bent on anger hate and sadness. The only catch was to learn about the Chaos Emeralds and their whereabouts as 7 exist.
@StarDog Smasher Y'know the whole "Mephiles could've been a innocent curious being who just wanted some answers of life" actually reminds me of sage from frontiers
I’ll be calling Mephiles “Null” in this okay?
Not much would have happened during the classic era Null probably just wander around maybe noticed the death egg but That would be it, the first sonic adventure game will probably be the point where Null would take notice of the events of perfect chaos And later the events of the ARK and the destruction of the moon because that was a global event, He may learn to be good and help others or become a bad guy depending on the people Null meets, Maybe he’ll finally take action during the events of Sonic Unleashed with all the dark Gaia monsters attacking humans and Corrupting people, He could meet sonic and learns the importance on being a hero, it’s really hard to say but I am very fascinated on this AU and would love to know more,
(Thank you for reading.)🙏
Good reason use that in my new canon
God damn it, Shadow. First you listen to some alien guy you just met and now this.
Wonderful video!
I KNOW WHAT EXTENT YOU THOUGHT SAID AND DID BEFORE AND SINCE - some man who speaks in hands and came from another world
I think both the Duke and Eggman had good reasons to be terrified of him even before he went nuts, but yeah I agree that he absorbing Shadow's shadow after being sealed by the same guy for how long made him way worse than he was supposed to be
I can't help but wonder what would have happened if the scepter was found by someone like Tails who would be less greedy than Eggman and more focused on turning it into a force for good and if he absorbed the shadow of someone more harmless, MAYBE still getting their bad traits but traits that actualy make more difficult for him to be a villain instead, like for example if the traits made him a depressed/defeatist Mephiles
Hmm yes sonic lore au moment
This comment and the original classic sonic story and lore:m.czcams.com/video/ejhtprDYnL4/video.html
Omg, mephilis absorbing the shadow of a stuffed animal
What fantastic art of yours to explain a theory! LOL
You know, If Mephiles hadn't become evil, he could've become a librarian.
As much as I like this theory of yours, I don't think Shadow made Mephiles evil, because before Shadow and Silver found and sealed Mephiles and Iblis, the two creatures were already spawning monsters, as shown in the levels where Shadow and Silver were searching for Mephiles and Iblis, and the monsters they spawned were even attacking everyone they saw like they do in the future, so I don't think your theory is true, but I like the idea of it, I still think it's an interesting thought, infact, if your theory is true, do you think there could be an explanation for why Mephiles and Iblis were spawning evil monsters? Because if Shadow did turn Mephiles evil, I would be willing to overlook the plot hole I pointed out if there's an explanation for it.
The only thing I could think of would be that they were trying to fend off the people tracking them down.
Iblis has no mind and is literally just raw power, so he would have been spawning monsters just to destroy things.
Mephiles, since he's an intelligent being (unlike Iblis), would have been aware that Shadow was chasing him, and was probably trying to keep him away.
Hm, that's a good point, ok, well I guess your theory might be correct then, thanks Lord Danny.
@@lorddanny2988 true but it's already been stated before hand that solaris was a creature destroying time and space itself before even meeting shadow
I love this, this is great, I see Mephiles in a brand new light, by watching this vid
"Feel the force inside Elise" Why did this sound like an unintentional Star Wars reference.
Someone noted in a review that the people of Soleanna appear to fear Solaris. Personally, that didn't make sense to me given that the Duke experimented on Solaris' physical form or, as you said, another creature that was given that name.
My interpretation is that Solaris was previously either benevolent or indifferent to the people of Soleanna, until the experiment. Even without understanding what was happening, I'm sure the creature would try to resist the experiment, which would explain why it failed.
I believe that the failed experiment was what traumatized and ultimately corrupted Solaris - the Iblis half was driven insane, if it has any mind of it's own, while Mephiles acted more restrained, but performed his evil deeds intentionally whereas Iblis may have acted out of sheer instinct.
This would also explain Mephiles' motivation for wanting to destroy time itself. Aside from Solaris being a four-dimensional being that isn't affected by time the way we are, he is simply messed up in his mind. His very existence is the result of an experiment some would consider cruel or even heretical. And he knows he is not supposed to exist in this form, so naturally he is pissed about being forced into it.
After looking at all the theory videos. Now I feel bad for Solaris, since he was experimented on, split apart into Iblis(the fiery raw power) and Mephiles(the dark mind and conscious), corrupted, and imprisoned. No wonder he let Elise erase his physical avatar form from the main timeline. His life in the material universe sucks and wanted to end it to to free from the fate of misery.
Blob mephilis: hello. I am peaceful bebbie trying to get away.
Shadow: this and that, this and that. Bottle magic's where it's at.
Blob mephilis: NOOOOOO!!!!
And that causes the Mata era to exist
Shadow759 actually explains the timeline thing petty good in his videos you should check them out, it makes the Time travel of Sonic 06 makes sense.
I LOVED THIS! Hardly anyone talks about Mephiles anymore (which is why I love this channel) and none of them have talked about him being good so this was amazing. I also feel like Shadow could relate to him considering that they where both created in a lab and had people trying to kill them as their earliest memories. I feel like Shadow would definitely take Null under his wing as a new member of Team Dark... now I want to read a fanfic about that
Actually, Shadow's earliest memories weren't people trying to kill him; they were good memories with Gerald and Maria Robotnik.
@@TheBohobemeister They were, then he got his memory wiped and for a while could only remember being chased by G.U.N. agents and them killing Maria
@@douglaskodl2980 While that's true, he did eventually get the rest of his memories back.
@@TheBohobemeister True, in fact by the events of 06 here he has indeed recalled everything. But that doesn't mean he still can't empathize with Null as he would know allot of what he's going through. In fact this helps them as this would essentially give them a Bruce Wayce and Dick Grayson type of relationship with Shadow trying to help Null so he doesn't make the same mistakes he did
@@douglaskodl2980 Hm, yes I see what you mean.
Recently came across your channel and I’m living for it!
In all fairness, I really enjoyed the doodles to support the theory.
So basically Mephiles could just have been a poor innocent little baby who became evil because everyone convinced him he was? Dang, now I just feel bad for him. And I was not expecting to ever feel bad for him in my life yet here we are.
Haha hahaha hahaha how the times are changing but also feel the same in deltarune ch1+2 snowgrave route
My theory is that infinite is used as a puppet by someone more powerful than Solaris to create a timeloop that extends from '06-forces but like your theory Mephiles was in fact innocent all along and that sonic and co. actually shot themselves in the foot in the long run
Basically Mephiles is sage from frontiers that could've been
4:13 Because Mephiles needs all 7 Chaos Emeralds to fuse, they didn't have that at the time, Mephiles didn't follow Iblis because he needed to find the emeralds to regroup. Iblis didn't follow Mephiles because Iblis doesn't have a mind of it's own, but it does have a will. That's why Iblis even fuses with Mephiles, his spirit drives him in that direction, so maybe it was moving randomly, or also knew conditions for fusing weren't met. Mephiles didn't necessarily do anything wrong, but Shadow went to the past to seal Mephiles because he already knew Mephiles craved destruction. The problem with this is that we don't know how time loops work, where the beginning and end lays. I do think that Mephiles might not have always been evil, but in every loop we see that Shadow sealed Mephiles due to already existing knowledge that he was evil, so we can't really say that Shadow had sealed Mephiles out of unfair spite instead of fear the first time, because we never really see why that happened.
Yeah, Mephiles might crave destruction because Shadow sealed him, but that's never stated. Mephiles had a ploy to get revenge on Shadow, that is what Shadow inspired in him. But, Mephiles wanted to destroy independently from revenge, Shadow says that. "You have no desire for revenge, you're only goal is to destroy time until there is nothing left." When you insult a bully, they were bad people before you even met them, you only inspired a desire for a revenge, you don't turn a bully evil because you insulted them, they were evil before that to get you to talk back in the first place, right? I think Mephiles was always evil, or something else caused it. Maybe he was good as Solaris before the chamber meltdown, but I believe the moment the humans seperated them, Mephiles became evil.
Fanfic ideas for a chaotic neutral Mephiles
Honestly you make me remind of sage from frontiers
Video is one year old. Wooooh
I'd be interested to know if anyone could write a story as an hommage to Mephiles' and Shadow's stories in 06
for a bad game, it's one of the best written Shadow stories or Sonic lore stories told, characters are great
I am the only one who felt like that mephiles is verry simulair to like a symbiote like venom from spiderman?
Becoming what people around him telling him what he is yet the potential of him becoming something/someone Else if he met with the right people and circumstances.
The Venom symbiote is different; it always negatively influenced Peter. It wasn't until Flash Thompson that it became good.
The Bohobemeister the Symbiote was corrupted, normally they aren’t parasites but instead they have a symbiotic relationship with their host and actually provide more benefits to the host. I believe the Anti-Venom Symbiote is a good example of what they should be like, that Symbiote actually cured Eddie Brock’s cancer and was formed from a combination of the bits left behind by the symbiote and his immune system. I think it may have absorbed the cancer cells and repaired the DNA that was causing the abnormal growth, Anti Venom actually gives more benefits than Venom.
@@alexkuhn5188 Yes, you're right.
Something that I remembered is that Eddie Brock Venom did later on become an Ant-Hero, however Venom didn't become a full fledged hero until Flash Thompson.
isn't antivenom literally just a giant angry white blood cell? like, he goes over after any kind of illness, even if it is actually positive.
My theory is that infinite is used as a puppet by someone more powerful than Solaris to create a timeloop that extends from '06-forces but like your theory Mephiles was in fact innocent all along and that sonic and co. actually shot themselves in the foot in the long run
0:19 I honestly always love that part because if it reminds me of one of those hunted 80's movies LOL
a line through time featured a theory about how the entire timeline thingy in 06 works. basicly, shadow was not required for sealing mephiles and the father by pure chance managed to seal both him and iblis without the help before dying.
mephiles is still the evil guy but not this insane psychopath villain. on his quest to become solaris, he eventually accidentially causes the timeloop of shadow and silver going back in time, creating the updated timeline where he IS the dude who wanted shadow to suffer.
Hmm didn't think of it from that perspective. Awesome vid.
love the new visuals during the video dude!
mephiles:exists* shadow:"im gonna end this man's whole career"
It's interesting. But there's still a question. In the scene when the Duke was trying to control Solaris, there's two things : a yellow energy, and a dark energy. Do you think it's Iblis and Mephiles/Null or just Solaris with something else. If it's just Solaris, then you're theory would be kinda right.
The flame of hope existed before the experiment, so it does look as if Mephiles and Iblis have already been split by the Duke in that scene. Not sure why the Duke would have split Solaris, but that's just how it looks.
@@lorddanny2988 Maybe... but if it's another entity ?
I mean, mephiles and iblis have diffrent elements,yeah? it could be that the darkness and fire were already not compatible before the split because solaris was not fully developed yet.
Shadow really needs to stop beating the crap out of people and turning them evil 😈
I've never considered any of this, lol.
You know this Mephiles in the lab kinda feels like sage in frontiers
The fact that Mephiles (when he was Solaris) was used for time experiments didn't help either. That and in combination with Shadow sealing Mepiles away is the thing that drove him insane.
When sonic rush series and '06 took place at the same time
We gotta have lore talk about the purple moon too.
Dude they should make a what if type series for the sonic franchise and they should use this vid.
Mephiles' name has no origin. Shadow learned it from Mephiles, and Mephiles learned it from Shadow.
Don't you just love ontological paradoxes?
Awesome video
I honestly find it funny when you made that made up voice LOL 😂
I think Mephiles was just born evil regardless of what Shadow did because of what we see of Solaris tells me that it just wants to destroy.
Shadow is the root cause to a lot of unfortunate situations.
Fact - Iblis and Mephiles escaped at the same time from the lab
Allow Me. Memphis Tennessee, To Say. Fuck Shadow
Hmm yes this could be the script for sonic project-06
If this end up true then mephile would end up as a second main bad guy along with who ever was the real bad guy of sonic 06
The drawlings look like that there made in kindergarten from a 5 year old girl but love them BTW
Everyone get your popcorn its
mEpHILeS TimE
Mephlies is the tragedy of Shadow, a shadow born from hatred, a shadow without joy in his life. Shadow himself is a terrifying god who forsook his violent hate in favour of fairness. And only the power of that happiness can put Mephlies's hatred spirit to rest.
Hmm yes Mephiles in the lab feels like sage from frontiers
@@sahilhossain8204 They both had a very had life.
I think it was Silver the Hedgehog's fault too, because he attacked and tortured Iblis in the past.
Bruh
Interesting but I think Mephiles is more interesting as he is in 06 as being like Evil Incarnate in a manner of speaking.
danny you have me thinking being mephiles the dark what if him and shadow are brothers?
So you’re saying that it’s all shadow’s fault?
I wish that could be the case.
When super Mephiles because the sol emeralds exists and sonic '06 takes place in Soleanna or perfect iblis or even super Solaris
Mephlies is nuts!
Ahh i love bad writing. Paradoxical scenarios everywhere
The answers yes and no I think it be better to show you (plays this video)
I came here as soon as I could, Emphasis on "came"... Wait, no dammit.
Yay Second
what if u and just a robot collabed?
#mephilesdidnothingwrong
Null is a Archie Character that wasn’t made in 2006
I know, I was just using him as an idea for what a non-Shadow Mephiles would look like
@@lorddanny2988 alright
LET ME GUESS WERE GONNA PUNISH SHADOW !!!!
The only dislike on this vid IS from Shadow
There's 3 now
03:47-51: What (Predominantly Abrahamic) Theologians Call ‘Idolatry’
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This and the original complete, story and lore of classic sonic era:
m.czcams.com/video/ejhtprDYnL4/video.html is make think about the greater modern era of sonic as a different separate canon like satam :D
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So Mephiles the Dark (a.k.a. Solaris) was innocent from the very beginning?
Yes
Yep and infinite is a puppet of something FAR greater than Solaris
Still a better story than forces
L odd Danny talk about the chance of the is a sonic comics getting there own cartoon
dark doesnt mean evil.
Light doesn't mean good either
Yes
I disagree it's was implied by eggman, and the Solaris symbols all over soleanna that it's the same Solaris.
Solaris 2nd form that we see all thought the game and his second boss phase is a devil symbol.
That in implied Solaris is a false god trying to destroy everything. With Iblis (physically) and mephiles (mentally)
Plus you forgot about in shadow version of aquatic base mephiles try to kill shadow with his minions.
czcams.com/video/qOf9ffWaZ-k/video.html
@@jobsidian4219 mephiles noticed shadow was after him so he tried to kill him, he was defending himself
@Oscar Perez no he killed all scientists in that room didn't even justify why and left. Shadow and silver only chased them after they run from their crime.
czcams.com/video/X8SgC2HToqY/video.html
If shadow and sliver weren't there what do you think would happen?