"We could've been managed better" - Frank Lampard on playing with Steven Gerrard for England
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Speaking on Monday Night Football back in 2015, Frank Lampard discussed playing with Steven Gerrard for England and the tactical problems that arose.
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Imagine having multiple world class midfielders and playing a flat 4-4-2...
Ikr
@Putz McGee stick Gareth Barry in
@@CalizpzZ0 Hargreaves, Carrick, Ledley King, Tom Huddlestone all would of done better then Barry
@@dcfc2379 hargreaves flop
@@richard35791 How was Hargreaves a flop?
Prime Scholes Prime Gerrard and prime Lampard in the same team would destroy any team in the premier league right now
I genuinely think the reason 2004-2010 generation failed was bc of managers
Imagine sir alex managing that team
Plus the players who put their clubs rivalry over national glory. And the media's pressure didn't help either.
@@jagmaharesi2486 yh
@@jagmaharesi2486 Imagine a team of John Terry, Wayne Bridge and Rio Ferdinand together. Things defo won't go well at all
Sir Alex would’ve put the club ego’s right in order
Sir Alex would've played 4-4-2 as well tbh
He's now trying to fit Mount and Havertz in his team and it's beautiful
He did it, didn’t he
@@shashvatsingh5102 no lol. His squad is awful, they are the new man city, only one good cdm, barely any good cb, unnecessary brexit trash everywhere, too many left footed and winger players who have no other choice but to bench each other, like sane and d. silva, b. silva, and now ferran. too many strikers too few midfielders. A prepubescent playing fifa career mode could do better. it's horrible football that can't win in europe, but can destroy burnley, west brom, west ham etc. pub clubs only, nevermind winning a big one.
@@RenegadeShepard69 don't think anyone would mind being city lmao
@@RenegadeShepard69 bruv STFU wasted my life reading such garbage
It’s a different game now you muppet
Forget Lampard or Gerrard
The fact Scholes was played LM was absolutely criminal.
Eriksson did that to accommodate the media's golden boy in his favoured position. Never has a player had such an easy ride from the tabloid press as Lampard.
Scholes was easily the worst of the trio
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Also my dad : watching sky sports retro for hours and does not complain
Ur profile pic tho
@@arsenalfan9213 I prefer not to speak
As a neutral, I do sometimes wish that Gerrard had moved to Chelsea back in 2005. He was so close to going and even personally handed in a transfer request, despite having won the UCL only a couple of months earlier. If he had moved, when Mourinho and that Chelsea team were at the height of their power, Lampard and Gerrard could have formed an amazing partnership, with the help of time and a manager like Mourinho. Then I’m sure the England team (despite having rubbish coaches like Erikson, McLaren and Capello) would have been incredibly powerful during that ‘02 to ‘10 golden generation period with the Lampard-Gerrard backbone in central midfield, and could even have won something.
It would have been similar to Xavi and Iniesta who both played for Barca and helped lead the dominant Spain side from ‘08 to ‘12 to three successive trophies. It’s a big shame. But that’s not to take away from what Stevie did at Liverpool, and Frank at Chelsea. Both are legends at their respective clubs, and honestly it is weird to think of Gerrard in a blue shirt. But it’s nice to think of what could have been.
Brighton fan btw.
And he'd never have been safe on Merseyside again.
It's an interesting "What if" situation.
No idea what Jamie says near the end that got them laughing 😕
"I thought you helped Sven pick the team"
I replayed it 5 times with my phone in my ear yet I still can’t make out what that geezers sayin
Really? it seemed pretty clear to me, I guess accents can be hard for some people though
@@moshanwar It was very clear for me.
@@ryansmith-jr4gn congrats
Scholes at the base of midfield with Gerrard and Lampard in front of him. Rooney dropping into midfield to link up with them.
That would win the world cup every day of the week
A midfield diamond sounds like a great option, considering that England hadn't any good winger at the time
Lol Scholes as a defensive midfielder is as good as putting Phil Jones on left back.
@@daddymonyet i don't see why Scholes couldn't do the job like Busquets and Xabi Alonso did so very well.
@@daddymonyet Even if Scholes wasn't fluent there, there was always Gareth Barry. The point is, the old system was a failure, and FC never bothered to try new possibility.
Never understood why England didn't play a 433
Instead of sticking Scholes or Gerrard on the wing
I agree. The only issue with that was a lack of wingers, although i think rooney could have played left forward/wing, Wright-Phillips right forward/wing maybe.
4312 would’ve also been good
@@shashvatsingh5102 True... with Carrick as CDM, Scholes and Gerrard as CM's and Lampard CAM
A 433 would have meant dropping Owen or Rooney, and a 41212 dropping Beckham. Either would have been far better than the 442 but it's understandable why Sven and Capello wanted to get the best players into the team.
@@zachgravatt5571 Well dropping Owen or Rooney wouldn't have mattered if we had a good manager. A good manager could have persuaded a peak Alan Shearer not to retire at 29. Rooney or Owen would get nowhere near that team with Shearer playing at his peak. Maybe Rooney could move over to the left and Beckham to the right in a 4-3-3 with Shearer in the middle.
People who insisted that they could play in the same line-up were football's equivalent of flat-earthers
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One day were going to see vids of grealish/kane/sancho saying the same about southgate
We had to play a diamond with Gerrard and Lampard as the central midfielders which is why we didn’t have any success winning competitions as a country
This is just getting better and better 😎
Lampard Scholes and Gerrard would've made a great midfield three, but then would Beckham, Owen and Rooney have worked as a front three?
They shouldn’t played a diamond with Owen and Rooney upfront
@@dogsbollocksgenius9480 that's genius
Scholes and Gerrard as holding midfielders, lampard as a 10, beckham as AMR, Rooney as AML and Crouch as a big target man or Owen as a central poacher
@@csokopsglazersout7447 No it's not. That's no different to the teams that the managers picked which failed.
Scholes retired, and no Beckham in a front three would not have worked, that decision would have faced heavy criticism.
Imagine this Midfield diamond carrick,Gerrard, lampard ,scholes 😍
Hargreaves over Carrick
@@VINNIEJONES10 you smokin something or what
Scholes retired and playing the other 3 were no different to the team that played.
Scholes and carrick is not required as Scholes is a better version in that template... i think Scholes paired with Hargreaves would make much more sense
I don't think the two above me realize that Carrick just wasn't the same player as Scholes. Carrick was the far better defender, tackling, reading the game defensively, knowing who to mark, he was far better than Scholes. Obviously Scholes on the other side of the ball was much better but Carrick didn't have a pass on him to say the least. Carrick could've mopped up in behind those three, far better than the level Scholes could of. And as a United fan, if I can only pick one player out of Scholes and Carrick to play behind Lampard and Gerrard then Carrick was just the better fit.
Problem is we had too many players in one position. Manager needed to drop and rotate players in the world cup. Scholes on the left wing who was the best player out of those three was simply mind blowing looking back at it.
Scholes was not the best
Frank Lampard and Steven Gerrard, for me the best midfielders in the history of the game and I’m not forgetting about Pirlo, Zidane and others.
Iniesta & Zidane are the best no debate about that
Lampard and gerrard were the best in the pl
that's why no one takes English football fans seriously
Iniesta and Xavi?
@@Marcelo-ol7lf exactly lol delusions all around
@@Fed2000 both are a bit obscured because they left Barca far too soon
Both great players, but Lampard was mostly in the attacking midfield role that Gerrard excelled in.
They should have been capable of playing together in a 4-4-2. At times they proved they were but largely they didn't play well together.
@@r4h4al too similar I think. Carrick and scholes would've been ideal in a mid 3 with either stevie or lamps
A 451 would have suited England so much better, we had so much technical quality, and pace, packing the midfield would have won us some serious respect in our so called ‘golden generation’
It’s so obvious the best formation to play was 433 with Lampard the attacking midfielder and Gerrard the box to box one due jose wanting him and if he got him he would of played in the essien role
Why would u not play a 433? Ik it wasn’t the ideal formation at the time but that 3 in midfield alone would win trophies
Just know that at one point in time, this could have been England's starting 11 in a 4-3-3
Seaman
Neville - Terry - Rio - Cole
Lampard - Scholes - Gerrard
Beckham - Shearer - Owen
No it really couldn’t have.
@@mazzarider6057 Maybe swap Shearer for Rooney and the Op would be right.
imagine a 4-3-3 with scholes dm, lampard lcm and gerrard rcm. Would've been perfect
Would've been awful, would have meant dropping the team's captain which would've sparked outrage.
@@topbinsmate6667 Yeah but Zidane was probably the best player in the world in the 06 WC for context. I'm sure Scholes would have improved the England team in that WC.
Scholes as a Dm would’ve been bad
@@raj8294 Yeah, acc I think scholes as a regista, lampard as the attacking 8 and gerrard sitting as a dm may have worked. Gerrard was a jack of all trades.
Carragher talking Swedish at 2:08
cracked me up !!
Maybe if Lampard and Gerrad could also scored that penalty against Portugal, they could be WC semifinalist in 2006
One of Chelsea's Best Player And Winning UCL 👏🏆 2012
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@@flc689 Drogba number 1 got last minute goal and winning goal ucl 2012 best year for Chelsea
@@MDRANM38 doesn’t mean he’s better
It's such a shame as they were the of the same importance for us as Xavi and Iniesta were for Spain, they clicked and won trophies, if they'd clicked for us I think we could've won trophies.
(Gary Neville's argument seems quite poor as Scholes only played with them for about a year and in one tournament Euro 2004, where what he said couldn't happen as Beckham was captain and would have been ahead of the other three anyway. So I don't see what else Sven could have done to accomodate those four midfielders).
People have to understand the England managers Sven, McClaren, Capello, and Roy for a couple of years, had no choice but to play them both, their form for their clubs made them completely undroppable.
Nice
I personally always thought the Gerrard & Lampard in the same England team argument was a pointless one anyway as in my opinion Gerrard was comfortably the better player of the two to the extent that he should've been picked to play in the central attacking midfield role and Lampard his replacement on the bench, in any kind of formation, when 100% fit.
Lampard more assists more goals
Funny how neville played with scholes for 20 years and get never knew what position he played. Never played as the deepest midfielder in a midfield 3.
England should have played with a 4-4-2 diamond formation in those days. They didn't have good wingers but they had world class midfield so that's the only rational formation.
@BI Xbn yes
Mason Mount would have changed that teams dynamic if he came in at midfield
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😂😂
Another Mason hater 😑
Generational talent
Even if you had prime Maradona or Cruyff, Southgate would still find a way to put Mount in
Super Super Mount
Super super mount
Why didn’t they do 4:3:3 ??? even us fifa guys back in the day knew that
Beckham had to play so 442 was the only option.
@@r4h4al do a Diamond then
If SAF Wenger or Jose would've managed.... Damn
Double-mezzala, definitely.
Lol FM lad.
haha
Scholes couldn't defend that's why he could never play that Pirlo role
Agree. A nonsense statement.
What would have happened if they were playing in 4 4 2 diamond with Beckham as deep lying playmaker ,scholes and Gerrard on left and right and Lampard as attacking mid.
Lampard said it. Argentina goes home and it's a big family. England lacked team spirit. You need that in SPADES just to compete at the world cup
Hargreaves should have been the holding man, Gerrard and Lampard in front of him and Joe Cole in the free role. Rooney and Owen
Carrick should have been the holding man... Hargreaves is more a "box to box "midfield.
But Beckham had to play especially in 2006 where he was the captain, and Hargreaves did play in the QF against Portugal and we still went out.
Diamond. Carrick
Gerrard. Scholes
Lampard
England have never looked like a team that's their problem.
Agree. Reason be because of the Lampard Gerrard situation. Say with Euro 2008 if that situation could have been resolved that could have been the difference between failing to qualify and winning the tournament IMO.
Scholes
Gerrard Lampard
Becks Rooney
Owen
But then Rooney gets moved onto the wing and we lose his assets up front. So I think Sven playing Scholes on the left was a better option.
@@r4h4al absolutely not. Scholes should of been in middle of the park (CDM) dictating play and letting Lampard and Gerrard bomb forward to help attack. Lamps stats speak for them selves. Sven was to stubborn to chance from 4 4 2.
These English players came into their own when they were at clubs and multiple world class foreign players around them. But when put together as a group, they didn't have the balls to raise their game. They didn't have that world class edge to raise their game. At club level, other players would raise their level.
Thats not true, english players at the was truly worldclass even others league and coaches admit that, their problem is england had no a team but a several' group of greats players not the team. And their rivalry in club was terrific and terrible , i was afraid each time when serious derby begin. To be honest , same spain had no a terrific and beautiful rivalry , not the same comparison between xavi iniesta bosquet alonso or silva.
You just argued vs your own flawed argument when pointing out the rivalry between Real Madrid and Barcelona. And yet, Spain won 3 tournaments in a row with a team made up predominantly from those two clubs. English players just weren't good enough. If they were, they'd have at least made a final. Look at Italy. Should've won euro 2000 and won the World Cup in the period. In the same period, Lazio, Roma, milan and Juventus won league titles. All clubs with long held rivalries and yet class came thru. Look at France. A country known for infighting at tournaments (1996, quali for 1994 and the farce of 2010. Yet they won a World Cup and euro's. Why? because they had genuine world class players. @@edmondsimon9220
One day, Mason Mount would make this statement 👀
With Curtis Jones
@@shashvatsingh5102 😹
All the England players hate Capello
It should have been
Beckham
Gerrard Lampard
Scholes
But it wad
Scholes Gerrard Lampard Beckham
Gerrard >> Lampard both as a player and a manager
Not as a manager
But are you sure bias isnt kicking in
And both of them are better than all ur midfielders put together
You're a Spurs fan, go cry in a corner u have no icons 😭😭
Gerrard is managing in a tinpot shitty league whereas lampard is managing in the hardest league and managed a top 4 finish with academy players. Lampard > gerrard
Lampard > Gerrard as a manager. A bit tough to choose as a player, but Gerrard > Lampard imo
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Its a bit of a myth that 4-3-3 would have fixed things, we played a sitting midfielder with Gerrard and Lampard as the two CM’s for the Euro 2008 qualifiers and were historically awful
Exactly. McClaren changed the formation in the Croatia Zagreb game with Parker playing and I think we were even worse.
In the home game with Croatia played 451 1st half 2-0 down. Second half reverted to type and played 442, much better but the damage unforutunately had already been done in the 1st half.
So this whole changing the formation thing I agree is a myth.
Calm but scholes > lampard > gerrard
Think you are little bit confused with the sign
No Lampard =Gerrard >Scholes
@@milton2345 it's his opinion
@@Jonathan-tq9cm okk
Lampard has the most gaols for a cm in modern history and also had a abundance of a assists
1st
We were not good enough. Lampard did next to zero for England. No troll hating, just the way it is
So England players couldn't put their egos aside in order to forget personal rivalries on behalf of their country & it was the manager's fault?
Exactly. The players were at fault. Lampard even admits fault in the interview, as Gerrard probably would if asked.
@@r4h4al How would Lampard react as a manager if his players couldn't put their egos aside on behalf of the team and instead put the blame on him?
stevie over frank
No
Agreed 👍
Maybe it didn’t work because they weren’t as good as we thought? 🤷
They do have two ucl between them
@@shashvatsingh5102 nope
@@cummerchant542 yes they do
This english players were overrated. If they were golden generation, the other countries were also have golden generation that time.
Like what, Netherland? no. they are UFC players, not footballers. Boulahrouz and Nigel De Jong for example.
Portugal? definitely golden generation. too bad about Greece.
Spain? not yet a golden generation until few years later.
France? old farts who got lucky by diving and opponents bottling things.
@@PissG Portugal definitely had a golden generation in the 00's. When they won Euro 2016 they actually had a weaker team.
@@r4h4al that's why I typed "too bad about Greece". Portugal 2004 was like nothing else, probably on the same level with Brazil 2002.
Nah just average players lol
Capello is one of the worst managers ever ever ever
Idiot
Capello was actually a very good manager. Was just unlucky in 2010 because of Rob Green's howler and the circumstances of the Germany game.
@@r4h4al he was and still is stupid, that is why he could never take advantage of a generation of generational players. Team bonding was required at the time, he did nothing. Every team selection and formation and positioning was questionable
@@williamregal873 We don't know whether team bonding would have made any difference we had team bonding under previous managers as well and failed.
So personally I don't think that was the problem.
Capello was a successful manager he proved that with his club management. So again further proves that it wasn't Capello that was the problem.
I think the problem was just bad luck like I say Rob Green howler against USA, disallowed goal against Germany, losing Rio Ferdinand etc.