Punks, Goths & Mods on Irish TV, 1983
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- Expressing individuality through identifying with a group. Discussing the youth subcultures of Dublin.
Gay Byrne introduces representatives from various Dublin “gangs” to find out why they identify with specific groups and dress the way they do.
Punks, Mods, Rockers, Teds, Greasers, Futuristics, New Romantics, Blitz Kids, Skinheads, Rudie Skinheads, Boot Boys, Hells Angels, Bikers and Ska Boys.
The guest are 20 year old Crumlin punk Donnacha McDonagh, 19 year old Drimnagh punk Siobhán Corrigan, 20 year old fashion student John Fiddler from Killiney, and 20 year old mod Gerard Quinn from Fatima Mansions.
For Donnacha, Punk is;
"A rebellion against the old system, the system that we were born into and are supposed to live by but we don’t agree with today’s system so we rebel against it in our appearance, the way we dress and the way we think."
Donnacha describes on the misperceptions of punks by people who don’t understand them.
For Siobhán Corrigan, she dresses the way she does because she enjoys it and she likes to be different.
John Fiddler does not identify with any specific group.
"I wouldn’t put myself in any category at all. I’m just quite a normal person really."
Gerard Quinn describes his clean-cut image and the lifestyle of a mod.
Also on the panel is Dr Edward de Bono who does not see how these young people are that different to others as for the most part they still identify with a specific group. He says there is a dichotomy that exists between rebellion as a form of individuality or as a form of belonging to a group.
This episode of ‘The Late Late Show’ was broadcast on 29 January 1983. The presenter is Gay Byrne. - Zábava
The most shocking thing here is that the Mod’s mum gave birth to 16 babies and that was considered normal.
And every one of them a Mod.
It was perfectly normal in that era. Especially in Ireland, and for Catholics.. My father, born in the USA in 1920 was one of 13 children. His brother died from the Spanish flu the year before he was born so there were only 12 growing up.
Irish Catholic families .... It is the same here in USA
She must've been sore, bless her.
@@elisabethseaton6521 1920s is different to 1960s so 16 kids was probably considered strange at the time, but I hear you
He forgot to mention the other gangs. The police, civil servants, priests, politicians, freemasons etc.
yes the freemason rapscallions running around designing buildings in secret and not telling us how to do it.... blast those intelligent ghastly swots
@@kieran8881 who do they think they are, contributing to the economy in a positive manner!!!
No Islamic gangs back then?
The ignorance of the malignant nature of the masonic 'church' never fails to shock me.
Fuckn A, mad comment!
I was a teen during the punk era and every punk I ever met was sound as a pound. They were all articulate and very quiet people.
People in the punk/hardcore scene are just nerds who figured out how to be cool.
"Sound as a pound"... love that phrase.
@@keirfarnum6811 Bullshit! None of them thought of themselves as nerds. They were just normal people that liked punk rock music. Maybe they were just expressing their individuality. Nothing to do with being cool. What teenager has ever been cool anyway? They were just nice people in general.
Now they're loud and annoying.
@@PANZERFAUST90 not as annoying as the mainstream media and authorities
John Fiddler was so ahead of his time. Even his eye makeup has a modern style that is pretty quintessential today. Also, the bravery of going out like that in the 80s is absolutely astounding.
@kyfaydfsoab ohh sorry professor
@@zackv3957 W answer
After 1960's one could be looked down for that, but before, literally, one could be send to a sanatory if was that different from the norm.
@kyfaydfsoab Yeah, the vultures were all over it...40 years later.
@@jeremyc9593 All designers borrow from the past. It's all cyclic.
John Fiddler, the one who "dresses strange", caught my attention. Decided to see if he ended up in fashion; ends up, he lived undocumented in New York in the 80s - probably shortly after this interview! - and ended up making a career of palliative care nursing after seeing his friends pass during the AIDS crisis. He now works with Doctors Without Borders / MSF. He's been interviewed in Irish Times. What a remarkable life.
You can see that John was a very special young man. His hair aside, he has a certain presence.
He was brought up well. You could tell by the way he spoke - he was very smart, and wanted to use his smarts to help people
A bit like Stephen Fry, but a bit less colourful
So it was the middle class guy who got to have a remarkable life, whoda thunk it?
Thanks for looking that up. Interesting. I am glad things turned out well for him.
Thanks so much for that.
first guy: guitarist
goth girl: bassist
second guy: vocals
last guy: drums
No shit lmao, perfect, although i would put the girl on the drums and the guy on the bass, just because I never saw girls on the bass compared to drums. But the last guy looks like he'd play drums.
holy shit
N ahhhhh bruv 1st guy is front man 2nd girl drums 3rdstylist 4th keyboard or guitar
Nah, the second guy would be bass, bc he's kinda quiet + cool. I feel like the girl would be a badass drummer, the kind where it feels like they vent their anger. Last guy would be the second guitar, and they'd all share vocals depending on the song
Yes I would go to see that band
It's kind of amazing how the audience laughed at that John guy after every response he gave at the beginning when they only judged him by his look, but by the end of his interview they actually kind of came around and clapped supportively and laughed at his jokes after hearing him talk for just a couple of minutes. Goes to show what a difference it makes to actually get to know someone even a little bit, compared to only judging them by superficial factors
Very well said. I totally agree. ♡
It's a bit like seeing clones of a young Johnny Rotten, a Siouxsie Sioux, and arch enemies Robert Smith and Morrissey sitting together. Trippy.
Yes!
precicely!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I don't see Morrissey !
@@antoinebeauman6645 The short haircut bloke that calls himself a mod reminds us of a Morrissey.
the clean cut mod looks like he has the darkest secret and the most dangerous.
Mod esotericism will tell you that classic gangsters had nice style and could get away with a lot of partying and excitement which mere mortals will not be able to have access or know about. The mod era after all had its share of gangster revivalist movies like A bout de souffle or The Samourai which both look very Mod today with their stylish and cool urban protagonists within a near existentialist script. And the 60s was the golden era in the East end of London of the also stylish real life gangsters the Kray Twins. As far as specifically mods there were mod gangs in the east end which got into violent fights with each other and sometimes banded together to fight rockers. Some of that went into skinhead subculture later on but nevertheless skinheads took it to less stylish, more political and in the 80s near marginal punk influenced territory also looking and acting generally more dumb in the process. Is there anything less mod and more stupid as tatooing your face? Well, the 80s skinheads actually went there and so there were also fights in the 80s between mods and skinheads
He definitely has that way about him. You definitely don't want to get on his bad side.
There is definitely another story there that Gay Byrne never got out of him. He's lived life more than the boy next to him, but he doesn't have as much patter
@Pine Trees 16 children in his family basement
I wonder where each of them is now.
John is the hero. The audience was laughing at him. By the end of his section they were all laughing with him. Top guy.
and now he works for Doctors Without Borders 👏
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Killarney Boy (who is probably bald now) had some good one liners but the Mod looks as if he's the most life experience of the lot of them.
The first punk sits at home, the.second works in a shop, the third boy is really a nice middle class kid and the Mod is a guy who rides around the country and could dump your body in a ditch somewhere.
John is a legend, and quite right too! Probably the most excitement the show has seen.
@@anonb4632 Killiney, posh boy not Killarney, country boy.
This is the sweetest, most honest genuine representation of punks I've ever seen. I can hardly believe the end sentiment which is just so devoid of 'hate' and instead met with curiosity, praise.
Punks these days, even recently after this, perhaps even before have never been this kind. I belief that it is 'punk' to be kind. Not "Nice", but "Kind". Exceptionally punk. This news program was the first of many and it's so humbling and affirming that this is where it comes from in a sense. These kids are so pure.
Anyways, enough from me. Ta ta,
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In the human world, it is DEFINETELY punk to be kind!
Disagree that other punks have never been this kind. I went to a metalcore/hardcore festival and found it to be the absolute nicest crowd, who literally wouldn't hurt a fly - everyone was kind, vegan, peaceful, all aggression against society was channeled into the music.
@kyfaydfsoab Even many of the people who were there aren’t punk anymore lol. Just look at Johnny Rotten.
I do know some very sweet guys who were a big part of the punk scene back in the day, though.
Kindness, compassion, empathy, & caring are *_PUNK AS F***!!!_*_ 🖤_
This is awesome. I was 17 in 1983 and I would have been madly in love with punk#1. He's perfection 😍
I'm 25 now but I 100% agree 😂 I wish I had a time machine
great pants. and i liked his almost new romantic top and scarf. he did t dress the classic punk here, a bit more dressed up. very cool.
He has a Twilight vampire vibe. Gorgeous.
Agreed. Punk #1is a snack! Just my type!
GARBAGE. THEY WERE GARBAGE, BUT WE WERE YOUNG AND CONFUSE COMPLETELY BECAUSE OF THEM. NOW THEY WORLD IS A MESS BECAUSE OF THESE SHIT PEOPLE.
All I see in this interview is a group of polite, respectful and articulate kids who just wanted to express their personalities and tastes through their look.
I don't care how many times it has been said in the history of mankind.
I'll repeat it for the umpteenth time: never judge a book by its cover.
not like today :)
I agree- I am touched by their tender modesty, shy heroes in a way, daring to be wild but very civilized, very well-mannered, really diving into the cold waters of life, they are beautiful.
Yup, exactly. Never judge the book by it's cover. Those respectful and articulated kids just a Cover.
A Cover that doesn't represent the real book.
…per that era…a great one for me indeed.
Now in 2022 these kids would be accepted by the broader population at least here in Los Angeles. We have a lot of unique people here from all over the world, across economic status, different races, orientation, modes of thinking, level of education, various religion, and it’s just the norm in this cosmopolitan city.
John has the most chaotic neutral attitude I've ever seen
D 'n' D for the win!
😂
He just came back to leave a comment (: bankamin something, pineed comment
He just came back to leave a comment (: benjamin something, pineed comment
John is just a lovely, natural eccentric who marches to his own drum with the kind of charm that comes from wit and intelligence. He owned his moment with the interviewer.
He SO reminds me of Boy George -- sadonic, witty, a good heart and HIGHLY intelligent.
It would be so incredibly cool if they could find these ppl and do a follow up interview to find out who they became and how much they changed/ stayed the same 40 yrs. Later.
One of them - John (No. 3) has commented at the top of this thread. 🖤
The punk dude was not a poser. All his answers seemed sincere and honest.
I thought the same. He seemed incredibly genuine.
Love the guy
@Juan Perez Why are you bringing politics into this video?
@@Munchael05 Didn't you know, making fun of Trump even in 2021 is ESPECIALLY hilarious! Still! Hahahah! See?! I'm laughing.
@@squeebbb Oh, I know. I don’t agree with Trump or his supporters. I just don’t see the point in making every political.
They look like a cool band that never existed...would love to see what they all look like now in 2021
They’re all dead I think because of heroin.
And you know this how?
I wonder where they are now. I'd love to see them and hear about what they say when watching themselves in this video.
I might be wrong but I’m guessing they are either still into the gothic culture or have moved on from that perhaps
@@spontina Good thing theyre not from the U.K
John Fiddler was my favorite. His side eye to the audience when they first laughed at him lol I think out of all three could tell the host genuinely found him funny. The mod, not sure if he was nervous or what but seemed like the lights were on an nobody was home! Lol
Feel bad for the first guy. Like he was getting intrigued. The rest had pretty harmless questions as were his were about drugs, getting arrested, and getting into fights.
Yeah I felt that the first guy was being pressed with loaded questions that really insinuate all those negative stereotypes onto him. Kudos to him for answering well 🥹
I’m Irish, and I really enjoyed watching this. These people all seem so sound, i hope they are all still doing well today!
I was thinking exactly same, this is from 1983 and they are about 20, so now in year 2022 they are all something 60 years of age
Me too. Least of all because they are over 60
THEY WERE A MESS, AND THEY CREATED THE MESS OF TODAY CRAZY PEOPLE.
@@irisbaez1972 You will never understand people or creativity as a whole -- Unarticulated negative comments are your go to, not understanding.
They're probably all dead lol
The Punk dude is one of the coolest looking dudes I've ever seen
Very mature and controlled attitude for a 20 year old
Great guy.
He would be a paid model today.
i was tinking the same thing . love to have seen his swagger yes he didnt walk he swagered
@@BellaBella-jw9ef lol wow i don´t think punks would give a shit
The cool thing about these 4 is that they’re all self aware and witty about who they are and how they’re perceived. They are simultaneously making an important statement by being different and then proving how judgemental people are when they get laughed at
Exactly!
I'm sure they passed some kind of BBC screening before they were given reign to speak freely
@@elisabethseaton6521 they're Irish on The Late Late show which is on RTE television.
Some of the smartest most creative people I knew in high school were just like these kids.
They just seem so chilled, relaxed and relatable.
"they thought it was a phase where I was going through...
so did I"
🤣 wonderful 😂
i salute to these young people who stood up for their thing even though they were basically ridiculed and treated as a freak show. you were pioneers.
Very gentle and soft spoken group. Proof that punk and other related subcultures aren't violent.
They can be, don't be fooled.
@@DwightLivesMatter Yeah, be careful. They'll steal your laundr5y lint and be very well mannered, but it's a trap, They want your laundry lint!
@@DwightLivesMatter Damn right. I like punk music and even some punk style, but some of them could be nutters as well.
@@DwightLivesMatter the link between punk and violence was cultivated deliberately by Malcolm McLaren, in order to court controversy; it ended up backfiring badly on both him and some of the bands.
@@DwightLivesMatter Nah,we pogoed the shit out of ourselves most of the time,but in the same time you are right,we did things that is not so acceptable,i would say most of the time we were a calm and empatic group,sometimes we were loud but these chaps were living the "everyone is equal" mentality,there were no poor,rich,bad or good,there were us.A neighbour of ours on the other side of the road who was a teacher once came to us because of the loud music,he is a good man who divorced at that time,guess where the party continued,yes,at his place.We never left anybody on the side of the road,did not matter how fucked up were the person. I think the silly pogo dance was all about this,we mauled eachother,if someone fell we pulled him up smiling at eachother,it was like a symbol that means does not matter how many times you got on the wrong side of the life's dick,there will be someone who will pull you up.Sure every group has bad apples,but its not right to judge a group by a couple of bad members.I was from the 2006-2010 punk era in Hungary.
I love the third guy. He’s so into making the interviewer seem as incompetent as possible... he sees right through his condescending BS. A true inspiration
He's a bellend
he's so sassy i can't hahah
I really love him ahahaha
@@UTRipleyxoxo and Joyce was a bellend aswell what’s your point
If you hear the beginning of the interview, he says he dresses "strangely". You can tell by the 3rd guy's reaction that he didn't like it or hear the interviewer say it the way he wrote about himself.
One of the most underrated bands of the 80's!
what
@@sophiadowd7453 Look at the four of them together lol
🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Even to this day, there is a lot of misconception about punk culture and those who truly stick by it (older generation especially who grew up with these roots). These people I feel encompass the positivity of doing what you love,dressing as u like and listening to your philosophical idea of the world. Mad respect, never comform.
Nice decent people with good morals
Its not how how you look
Its whats on the inside
huzzah to that
Yes!!!
How in the world can you judge people's morals by what they say about themselves? Lol
@User Name They're poking people now to invoke violence and a civil war. They create the left-right paradigm and the divide and conquer strategy to enslave mankind more, not bring about more freedom. And the masses take the bait every single time fighting against each other instead of their oppressors just like those with Stockholm Syndrome. That is what we really need to be thinking about.
I don’t know if living off the dole and laughing about it is particularly moral 🤔 but whatevs
Would love to see a reunion on todays late late, experiences and insights since then
This needs to happen! Be class!
That would be good cant lie...or how about the equivalent show with today's gangs...I think today's version would be a bit more tasty..few more weapons concealed on stage haha
I think this is John Fiddler: www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/abroad/working-abroad/seeing-young-friends-die-from-aids-i-wished-i-could-help-1.2897012
@@tattarrrrattat Some man for one man that John.
Just thought, i would like to see the punk from former toady, to see if he changed, like i did. Not from the thought, once a punk, ever punk, but from ideology (Yes, thats two different things) and from "punkish" appearance.
As a lifelong punk, this is so wholesome and I love it
The first three of these people are the epitome of what I saw as an impressionable child and just knew I wanted to be like them. The look, the humour, the intelligence etc. I was 7 in 1983. I remember presenting myself to my conservative mother when I was 5 or 6 with my very long curly hair back combed into a huge heap on my head. As far as I was concerned I was just being like Kate Bush, Toyah or whoever, but my mum was NOT going to allow me on the shopping trip ‘looking like that’ 😂😂 So they just loved it when I realised Goth was my calling in my mid teens…but I was then, and am still now, the only Goth in the village and damn, I love it. It’s who I am. I also really enjoy confusing people who assume I’m going to be one very specific way just because of my outer appearance, who then discover that I am intelligent, gentle, community minded and extremely caring. As a fellow student said to me many years ago…you’re the loveliest person I know, but I’d be bloody terrified of spilling my pint on you if I didn’t know you 🤣
I was the same way. I enjoyed blowing people’s minds by being the complete opposite of their stereotypes.
Lol the whole “people assuming you’re going to be one specific way based on your outer appearance” is my favourite kind of way to joke with people
There's nothing wrong with any of these kids. I think if anything, they shoud be admired for their strong character, convictions and individuality. It's a shame society to THIS DAY will still shun anyone who looks/speaks/thinks a bit differently to the 'norm'. Good on em.
My thoughts aswell
@@dimadmitrov2615 i bet you're super fun at parties
Here's the condundrum though. The very act of being different to ones own peers is typically what fuels a person to become so strong in character, conviction and individuality. By becoming accepted by wider society as a whole, the individual no longer needs to present a tough exterior, and is much more likely to mellow into the rest of the group anyway, unless they are just contrarian for the sake of being contrarian. In which case, they will always find a reason to pick at or make up differences with anyone they associate or don't associate with.
There is also the fact that once a counter-culture becomes acknowledged and integrated into the mainstream, it is more likely to be adopted by newer generations on a much wider scale, which then merges it into the general social culture, which no longer represents the rebellious response it once stood for.
Newer, more particular types of counter-culture then form in reaction to that, which leads to the ultra-sensitive internet groups we have today, that comprise of individuals who are so focused on trying to be unique within their already unique social circles, that they end up tearing each other down and feign to realise that they are all there for the same reasons as anyone who identifies with a group - for a place to belong, with familiar people that share a mutual respect for each other and look out for each other, in a world that has become quite confusing, disconnected and isolating.
Ramble over. Cheers for reading.
Thanks.
@@dimadmitrov2615 Agreed
dude with the huge hair was CARRYING the show. I love his deadpan humour. what a legend.
He’s sweet.
"John Fiddler" -- this might be him now, if it's the same person. An article in the Irish Times interviews him where he says he was an art college student (he's enrolled in NCAD in this). Headed to New York in the 80s, and ended up a palliative care practitioner. Other articles describe him as being rebellious for a good cause, and lamenting the fact he had to witness many friends lost to the AIDS epidemic. He's about 60, now, which checks out with this John Fiddler being in his early 20s here.
@@gregtaillon4019 Thanks mate, he sounds like a really swell bloke, I love the internet sometimes.
@@gregtaillon4019 he for sure fought for the cause.
Every New Wave band consisted of guys like him who went to art school.
8:16 "A bit of foundation does you a world of good". Soooooo true.
8:44 it was very nice of them to let a goose be part of the audience
LOLOLOLOLOLOL YOU ARE SO RIGHT 😂 that laugh did sound like a goose 😂😂😂😂😂
Excellent listening skills..i couldnt tell if it was a goose or a gander sitting in the front row..
This is a prime example not to judge someone solely by their appearance: they’re well spoken, intelligent and carry themselves well. People can learn a thing or two from these four.
Or their job or lack of.
@@badassdanthepowerman6438 Sorry that I ask, but did you have a job at their age? For example I'm their age now, and I'm studying (as well as the girl). My friend who didn't want to go to college is working part-time jobs and looking for a full job a year later... It isn't as easy to find a job when you're 20ish as it would seem. And back then, I think it would probably be even harder, not even considering the fact that most of the employers would refuse to employ them (maybe except the mod guy), even if they would want to work...
@@inventiveowl395 I think you misunderstood what I was saying with that, the interviewer is constantly highlighting “unemployed” in a demeaning way like it has any weight on the conversation. I did have a job when I was their age though, but again that doesn’t matter or contribute to what I meant by my comment.
@@badassdanthepowerman6438 I see, you meant it as a continuation of ".. by their appearance or their job..." Not sleeping for long periods of time is taking it's toll on me... Good day sir. :)
None of them have jobs though LOL. Leeches
was this a interview or a interrogation
What's the difference? 😂
Both
@Miss Sarah StormInATeacup Phil Donahue in particular was a rude condescending self inflated prick!
@Miss Sarah StormInATeacup this is why zappa never got interveiwed that much as his dry whit would pull em apart!!
@Miss Sarah N. of NZ. stfu
How iconic, they created a trend and influence fashion nowdays 🤗
"They thought it was a phase I was going through, and well, so did I, but"
I'm in love 😂
I have bad news…
It must be Friday then
Why is no one talking about the girl? Her voice is so calming and she is so polite.
She seems lovely. Teens back then weren’t angels but jeez they’re better than the snowflakes now who get offended and rude about anything!!
Probably because no one can understand what the fuck she's saying
@@ilovesammy3657 imagine using the word snowflake unironically lmao you sound like a ben shapiro stan
Watching her eyes she looks high. Maybe that’s why she’s calm and polite.
@@Blessed-2-b-a-Hembree hahaha maybe but I mean shes still polite
Great interview. Anyone who's not Irish probably doesn't realise that the Late Late Show was the must see TV show for most of Ireland during the 70s and 80s, basically our Tonight Show. The presenter, Gay Byrne, had his critics at times but I think everyone comes out with credit from this. Thanks for the upload 👍
John is killing his look damn I love his eye makeup
The third one is absolutely fantastic and has a great sense of humour for being put on the spot like that. He'd make an interesting friend :)
I just read in a previous comments that’s he’s a nurse in America..and there’s a link to a video of him..
@@iloveanimals6361 where is that link I’m really curious to see that
@@TheVioletBunny I think this is it 😊 czcams.com/video/f4w1R5R1Llc/video.html
@@iloveanimals6361 thanks !
i can't stand him tbh
The level of cool on that stage is incredible
Also unemployment benefits lol
I dont know though , a bunch of edgy youngsters, seems kind of annoying...
@@dudefrombelgium they don’t seem annoying. They seem pretty chill
@@Mishkafofer how is this getting likes? They are teenagers
Cool! Haha! Yeah I suppose you might think that. They look like idiot children who refuse to grow up but I guess that might look cool to some.
The way this interview aged is something absolutely beautiful, as these young men are.
They all seem so easy-going and accepting. I love how John didn't really want to Identify as anything, he was 'just a normal person'. We need more of those nowadays.
Irish education must be pretty good as it produced these thoughtful, articulate young people.
nah at this time Irish education was a Catholic hellscape
It was a very good education system then. One of the best.
@@Owen-hd3oq Which produced thoughtful, articulate young people.
It actually was pretty good on the fundamentals. The RCC ran most of it and they saw it as a source of new recruits so they were motivated to keep the parents happy. You almost couldn't get away from religious indoctrination while availing yourself of this cheap, good quality basic education.
someone is very quick and perhaps desperate to defend the system.
Perhaps these youngsters here were intelligent and critical thinking because of their own merits and not because of where they went to school.
I do not know, I never met them and did not look up their backgrounds.
I started as a gothic in 1984 at the age of 12 in former west germany. Than I changed to be a punk at about 18 (we had friends from all kind of subculture in our small 65.000 pl. city anyway, and also were listening to punk). I`m still a punk at the age of 49 now, and I organized open air punk festivals in Berlin and a lot of concerts all over germany over the years (always D.I.Y.). It was the best thing of my life.
oh our newstarted band would love to play in germany someday !
I wish to be in a punk,concert,in germanyyyy
Did you have a chance to meet Nick Cave? West Berlin at 1984 is my fist time travel destination! You are so lucky to live in gold years of gothic/punk music!
@@alinea8815 No, I did not meet him in Berlin. I was living in West Germany at the time.
My friends were Goth before Goth was a thing in the US that is.
I was a punk/goth in the mid 80s . The clubs I went to in southern England hardly ever had any problems. It was the “squares” as I called them, that had fighting in their clubs. The only fighting I ever saw punks involved with was when “squares” picked on them for the way they looked.
What a wonderful bunch of young adults.
The Clash, Siouxie and the Banshees, Split Enz vs Flock of Seagulls, The Jam. There you have it.
The cure and cocteau twins culmination with the second one
The Cure and Sex Pistols are in there somewhere🤪
whoa, seizure's no joke.
The Jam was so great. That is all.
@@ShadowWizard123 I dare you to listen to Town Called Malice and not dance😂
Patronising host , great answers from the four sitting there . Different times , no internet just your mates and the streets ..
Good point :)
Gay Byrne wasn't patronizing.
@@Horizon344 Yea he was man was a prick
@@Horizon344 Gay Byrne was very patronising and smug towards many guests. The standout guest to me was Tom Waits.
I know yeah imagine being the first guy and sitting at home all day watching 3 channels of TV with no internet lol
The fact that Edward de Bono just sort of pops up toward the end really adds an extra surreal dimension
Love to see an interview with them all now at nearing 60. Would be Interesting to see how they have changed. I was 20 back in 83 too but by then I had changed from a punk to a metal head.
The PUNK dude looks like tv star, AMAZING
Robert Pattinson or something?
@@frankb3467 you know what?better than Robert P
@@frankb3467 I was thinking the same.
@Brit Sehnsucht he looks like hes a music star and why would that be rude?!and i didnt compare him with Robert sorry.......
Ikr🔥
This is a very old argument I imagine it dates back to pre history. I still think of ''the nasty grown ups'' and then realize I'm 78.
@CMD I'm in 4 rock bands so I think I'm safe. :)
I'm 36 and am 100% behind these guys!
Honestly, they have no animosity against anyone, and are just doing what they want.
As long as they aren't hurting anyone else, and are making their own living (which is a problem I have with one of them), whatever!
Being a young person in the US 83, I remember these fashions as I grew into the metal world. What I love about this segment is that the interviewer doesn't come across as judgmental or condescending.
These kids are charming young people. You can’t judge a person by how they look.
“There are various types of gangs operating in Ireland “ 😂 😂
No mention of drug-dealing paramilitaries, of course...
@@mbrady2329 Turncoat brady
@@proinseasokiellig4388, how the hell am I a turncoat?! Don't try to drag me into any sectarian bollocks!
@@mbrady2329 Jesus christ live in your heads rent free
There were various types of gangs in Ireland...
Would be proud to call any of them my kids
Your actual kids I presume have been giving you a lot of trouble then
@@sidmallya7421 what draws you to that conclusion? Lmao
@@TehDawg common psychology. I didn't mean to insult the man
@@sidmallya7421 In what way is that common psychology? Just curious
@@TehDawg are you his child?
The Mod kid was unbelievably intense!
Great kids.
@kyfaydfsoab I agree. Art, like music (no matter if lyrics or music videos), movies, novels,..., as well as the underground scenes, are (still) provocative and "shocking" to the older and "decent" people, but it has always been like that.
But everyday fashion is uniform, boring and reserved, and kids are cruel to the ones standing out.
You can tell the third guy praises Robert Smith
Wrong way round..
@@proinseasokiellig4388 lol. Jokes aside he's def a Robert Smith fan. Remember may in the early '80s.
As all people should
Robert Smith had short hair until about 2 years after this, all the early Cure stuff and his other early 80's band, The Glove, his hair was short cropped, he only adopted his 'look' in about 85/86.
@@spudlington his personality and the way he carries himself is what I was referring to
“How long do you think you can keep up being a punk?” TIL DEATH he says. 😍
If you used to be a punk, well, you never were! Punk for life :)
Best answer ever 💀 🖤🖤🖤
@@psypunk 100%.
"Tell Dett". He says
Yeah which means he’s already dead
I love this interview. Everybody is calm, respectfull for another person, good behaviouring. It is lovely.
The third guy's sense of humor and wit is awesome. So intelligent. My kinda humor.
The picture of all 4 of them sitting like total kings & queen is one of the most legendary and iconic things I've ever seen
um not really
@@PANZERFAUST90 Correct. They were on the Dole or barely employed. Think of all the effort spent on looks. They're guilty of LOOKISM!
@@busterbiloxi3833 lol
It is so weird to hear the interviewer call all these subcultures "gangs" and keep pestering them about questions of drugs, law enforcement, and dress. For me, Punk feels like such a normal facet of our culture nowadays, and it's hard to remember that they had to claw their way through a society that practically criminalized them for being different.
I remember one time I was stopped by police saying me my friends was in gangs it was so much bullshit
I thought the interviewer did a better job at questioning these individuals. I've seen interviews in the 80s where icons such as Marilyn Manson were being questioned way more rudely. This interviewer in my opinion was very civil. He just wanted to seek the truth about the punk and goth stereotypes and he listened to everything they had to say
@@Kj-mo5kd Marilyn Manson was 90s
Ahh, yes, now look how being a normal person who advocates for liberty rather than authoritarian dictates are now being treated. We actually get treated worse than punks ever were. I know, I was a punk rocker back then, and fight for liberty today. Now that I think about it not much has changed.
@UC8rCrkSKwjVuIqELou9K2Nw Nazi punks fuck off: punk is about freedom of expression, and fascism is the exact opposite of that. The only reason people like Siouxsie wore swastikas was because they were free to offend. Then Nazi pieces of shit actually started to be a threat, and anyone with a brain said fuck that.
Super patronizing questions
The need to always mention how many siblings people have cracks me up. Reminds me of many conversations I had in Ireland.
These people are the real ones, the originators of it all (well punk dates back to the 70's) no posing, no social media, no pleasing anyone for likes. Completely authentic.
that’s what I envy about living back in the old days before the 2000s specifically social media 😂
Compare these individuals with the woke generation who do as they are told. Today it's the opposite of rebellion. Wokers all look the same. These guys are eloquent and don't repeat the narrative
@@talesfromthecrypto1 the rebellion became mainstream thinking. Now there's a "rebellion" going the other way. If it wasn't for rebels like this, there wouldn't be a "woke" generation, everyone would still be dreary, hateful, conservative religious nutjobs. They were rebelling against conservatism.
I'm not saying that people haven't gone too far left or aren't way too sensitive these days, but these kids were that generation's "woke".
they're on TV lol
You're an imbecile!
The punk guy is so well spoken and I love how he carries himself wow
They all look exceptional and held themselves so well. The first pair especially encompassed iconic the punk look
I loved this video. I was part of the scene in my town in Canada. I was the only guy wearing Ralph Lauren when my friends were mods, punks, and new romantics. We all hung out at the same bar because that was the only place that wouldn't judge us. Ya, I was the preppy guy, and no one judged me. We were all into the same music, and we just had fun together.
I have stayed in touch with some of the old gang. A few are well-known actors and musicians in Canada. Everyone went their own way, but we all look back at those years as the ones that made us who we are today.
Bachman-Turner-Overdrive?
John Fiddler went on to be a nurse in New York who worked with victims of 9/11.
Bless all young folk who rebel against the system, express themselves yet still grow into functioning members of society.
I imagine Gay Byrne would look back at this and be embarrassed to be honest.
I bet he's bald now.
@@anonb4632 HE IS IWHEIEHSIFHEI
He nursed people through the Aids crisis and now he works for Doctors Without Borders, nothing but respect. Shows what that Ireland lost by pushing alternative and lgbt+ people out of the country
@@arianrhodhyde7482 He wasn't a nurse when he left. He was an art student at the time. He went to New York which was one of the places earliest affected by AIDS in a big way, and became a nurse because of that.
If he had stayed in Ireland he would have probably either lived off his parents or the dole while complaining no one was buying his paintings. (To be fair, I've no idea what his art is like.)
So in that sense, the US made him.
@@anonb4632 i don't think someone spontaneously becomes a better person by living through the Aids crisis, which affected people in Ireland too god knows and would have affected more if so many of our youth hadn't left the country. plenty of people spent the 80s making bad art or partying even when people around them were dropping like flies.
They are all very mature and wise for their age. Irish people are often great speakers and conversationalists .
🇨🇮💖👍, lovely golden people 🏅
🇮🇪☘💕
Yes the Irish tongue is very famous and only plays second fiddle to the Irish liver.
💗John Fiddler looks amazing! It's 2023 & he'd fit in almost anywhere
John is wonderful and so funny. From what I've read it sounds like he's had a pretty great and meaningful life, too.
The third guy saw through the interviewers bullshit & had a great sense of Humor what an icon
I saw a punk once in a bus recently. A young man probably 20-22 years old. He was so handsome. He looked so cool. Like he was genuinely so nice to look at. And i couldn't be farther from their subculture but among all the cultures punks just hit different. They're also seem very nice for some reason despite looking intimidating
There's an Irish times article online about John Fiddler. He's now living in america as a palliative carer. Looks a lot different too. Seems a good dude!
Unfortunate sirname, though!
@@themaggattack Lol, at least it's not "Diddler".
@@themaggattack excuse you, my best friend is a fiddler, and a damn good one too!
The third guy is an unassuming comical genius...🙌🙌
Beautiful, intelligent, well spoken and articulate young people.
John is iconic, he's just living his best life
"They know what kind of person I am, that's what matters". Amen John. Amen.
Calm, rational answers. No screeching or blaming everyone else. No crying or having emotional breakdowns and basically holding themselves with dignity.
More than can be said for the alphabet movement nowadays 🙄
@kyfaydfsoab Pardon? I've looked like this my entire life. Sorry if that triggers you. Daily life must be incredibly difficult for you to get through. Truly sad.
@kyfaydfsoab troll
God I miss the 80s. This was me and I loved it, the music, fashion. We were not weird, everyone else was!
I love the third guy so much. He’s adorable and delightful. I wonder who he turned out to be.
Turned out to be a Nurse in the USA actually, apparently helped people after 9/11
Works for Medicine Sans Frontiers!! ❤ czcams.com/video/f4w1R5R1Llc/video.html
Same!
he’s a nurse in NYC and has a husband :)
I love seeing people who are their own characters and not following a trend that ends up costing parents a massive amount of money every year , absolutely lovely kids I'm sure they changed the public's mind not to judge kids
@Tom Walsh true this is just our authoritarian gorvemeant.But I would still not do this edgy shit.
Characters.. Like actors 🤔.. This was just another of the many paths created by the controllers of this world..
Thanks! :)
I must say that you have a nice and interesting profile. Hope we can be friends
Haha, I remember this back in the day. My brother was into the punk scene, but he wasn't extreme looking, like these kids. He'd just put on some eyeliner only when he went to punk clubs abt 2 or 3 times a month.
I remember that mods vs rockers thing too. The Who, Pete Townshend, wrote a lot abt it in their songs, specifically the Quadrophenia album.
This brought back a whole bunch of fun memories. Lmao. Thank you so much for uploading this. It was really fun to watch.
What a lovely bunch of kids ❤
@@kyfaydfsoab wowww what a punk you are correcting everybody's freedom of speech to fit in with your specific opinion 👏
How many comments have you commented under to throw thar 2 penneth in haha, rebel without a cause, truly unique and open minded. Corrects a compliment about some lovely kids (a term of endearment for those younger than oneself) to make their self feel tall. What a lover @kyfaydsoad
I love the way these kids answer back. I don’t know if I would be so calm.
The third guy is really funny and smart😜 at first they laughed at him and he looked a bit upset, but then everyone laughed WITH him! 😜🔥I loved that he wouldn't call himself anything!
Third guy is just 'gay'.
@@bonniemagpie5166How
@@bonniemagpie5166 owt wrong with that, bonnie?
@@bonniemagpie5166 and you are a magpie. A nasty bird. I’m sure his makeup tops yours.
He looks like a clown.
Brilliant. Love these old archives. Thanks
This is what nowadays is missing, society's struggles at the moment and time, getting airtime to talk about it and the reasons behind it, and what's next, I miss shows like this
If David Bowie was there would he be subjected to this?
Well said.
If you look at early bowie interviews he was treated quite poorly by interviewers.
Yes
Yes. Initially he was indeed treated poorly. But....as they say "Success has many fathers, Failure is a bastard".
As a 14 year old mod in Bradford in 1983, the thing I remember was that there was a wide variety of youth cultures . Mods skins punks metalheads scooter boys casuals etc. In my experience, the non mainstream kids stuck together, so there were some pubs and clubs where it didn't matter what you were, just as long as you didn't have a pink pringle and farahs and went around kicking in weirdos and rival football fans. I did deserve a kicking though, for my fashion crimes mainly.
“Do all Mods ride Vespas?”
Not if they can get a Lambretta.
I hung out with a great gal who rode a Vespa who made the mistake of telling me she had a boyfriend but not not telling me she didn't until it was too late.
The world has come so far. Love to the progression of our past! Let’s keep it going.