Umm the term “Goth” is a later style and is a later collective term, not used at the time 🤷♀️ most of the pictures you showed are punks, New Romantics and 80’s pop . Punk wast particularly “poor people” 🤦♀️ You are reinventing history, how Victorian of you, this is just jarring and weird. Ps hairspray your hair and crimp whist damp with spray so it sizzles 😂 There were not the products, run damp soap bar through your hair makes it thick and sticky. Go hard core jam a large safety pin through your cheek 🎉
No Patricia Morrison inspiration in this vid……. 😢😢? I mean I understand you may not have spotted her ^^
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@@GroovlyDo gothic was used in this video from the 80s by one of the girls to describe her style: czcams.com/video/GkiU6NwPm8o/video.html so I think it's safe to assume it already existed. the pictures I showed were mostly from a tumblr blog "Now This Is Goth" where former 80s goths submit pictures of themselves from that time - so again, I believe them. and the other subcultures you mentioned listened to different kinds of music so I don't think that applies here
My dad wasn't goth, but he was a punk in the 80s, He told me he spiked his mowhawk hair up with egg whites and freaking used straight up spray paint on it. Dude was a mad lad.
I love how this looked better and more authentic than practically all of the "80s Goth Makeover" videos from big-name fashion channels. Where a lot of content creators tend to treat goth in general as cheap and costume-like, this was one of only a few videos I've seen that actually nailed it. Iconic. 🖤
@@avsusky Exactly! her method was basically the one we used in the period. Find stuff that you can repurpose or make it! Figure out the hair and make up as you go along! It was perfect. :)
@eileenmcchrystal8471 That's only half-correct. People weren't calling themselves "goth" until much later, its true. The term become associated with the subculture only after being used by Ian Astbury (of The Cult, or as the band was named then, The Southern Death Cult) to describe Andi Sexgang and his fans. But people weren't calling themselves "post-punk" either, as that's a label that didn't exist back then and has only recently been (retroactively) pinned to the late-'70s/early-'80s scene. Back then, depending on the locale in question, they called themselves "Batcavers" (from the club of the same name, which is widely considered to be the birthplace of the goth scene), "Cureheads", "New Romantics" - which was its own glam phenomenon, but had a lot of overlap with the budding goth scene - or New Wavers, "Deathrockers" (here in the western side of the United States, at least), or even simply considered themselves punks in general, with little to no distinction between themselves and the pre-"post-punk" punks. Some media outlets even called them "Positive Punks" to differentiate the goths from the rest, though that term didn't seem to stick nearly as much.
@@mourningwoodward never ever did I hear barbers at that time. Btw I didn’t say people called themselves as post punks. We were just folk who were into an alternative live music scene. Mainly before bands such as Ultravox (originally with Jon Foxx before Midge Ure), Big in Japan (before Ian Brody was in the public Eye with the Lightning Seeds), same with The Stranglers, Ian Dury, The Police, Echo & The Bunnymen, Dr Feelgood etc Ie before they were more mainstream. Many of us designed and made our own clothes. I’d sew an outfit during the week to wear of a weekend. The cool, edgy, arty folk 🤷 we didn’t have a label. We were too busy living it 😂. However, it defo wasn’t Goth!
As an OG 1980s goth, I must say you did an excellent job! I think you look perfect, but here are a few tips for if you want to take it to the next level: * Black eyeliner pencil in the waterline, top and bottom - you can also use it as lip liner; * We used Aqua-Net hairspray by the can, but I don't know if the current formula is any good; just go with the highest hold hairspray you can find and shellac your head; * Can't find the garment you want in black? Get the item you want in another color and dye it. ...damn it, I miss that aesthetic.
I can remember coming home from Uni with a Siouxsie Sioux hairdo and my mum having forty fits. My son became a goth in the early 2000s and other mothers were amazed about how laid back I was about it - basically, been there, done that.
I used shaving foam and hairspray for the hair. And of course the black eye shadow for contouring. And black eye liner for the spider webs between my eyebrow and temples/hair line (shaved semi mohawk). Those were the days!
One year my mom got me a case of aqua net for Christmas. It was one of my best gift memories especially since I had to buy my own hairspray with my hard earned babysitting money. 😂
In the 1980's I (USA, boring 30ish female) got on a bus in Liverpool, England. A Goth girl got on the bus at the next stop. I had never seen a real Goth before. She was the most beautiful human I had ever seen. My career was as a teacher in an American high school. Goth was still a living, practiced life style for a small group of students as late as 2015 (I left the schools then so I don't have any current first-person knowledge.). The Goth kids were the kindest, most tolerant people in the building. They accepted strays and sought knowledge. Many had "issues", but they lived kindly anyway. I truly loved my Goth students.
I think goths are kinda like furries in that they are really used to having their community be a punching bag for jokes and ridicule. This is probably why these communities are so open minded and accepting. Freaks gotta stick together🖤
Thats nice to hear! Currently in 2023 theres still a pretty decently big goth scene online (idk abt irl since the goth scene here is rlly small) but now Goth is considered kind of a subculture of "alt" or "alternative" and we still keep those same values you describe! (though maybe less the tolerance since alot of alt and goth people ik are also activists). Though I dont represent the entire alt community so take my reply with a grain of salt.
There's still a local bar that does goth night regularly, albeit, fewer attendees than there used to be, unless they have a goth band playing that night.
Another motto of true traditional Goth is that "it's never too much there's never too much hairspray there's never too much makeup you can't be too pale and you can't have on too many clothes"
From a 90s goth (about to turn 40 and still in the subculture), you did an amazing job, Karolina! It's always nice to see people experiment with the style and also do research about its origins, and your face is also well suited for the aesthetic.
just wanna say I love that you're still a goth. So many people leave behind those sides of them as they get older and see it as just a phase, it genuinely inspires me (as a 22 year old) when I hear and see people older than me still wearing the style they love/loved when they were younger. Sort of reminds me that you don't have to leave behind those parts of you as you age:)
@@Sophie_Pea That's a great outlook, Sophie. It's a special kind of blessing to grow into things that make you happy instead of growing out of them, and I hope that's something you are gifted with in your life. For me, the phase was dressing 'normal' when I got out of college. I thought I needed to to feel like a proper adult, but it was honestly one of the worst periods of my life. I never stopped being alternative at heart, never stopped loving the music or the subculture or any of the other stuff that makes me 'weird,' and I returned to dressing goth in 2016 after I made it through a months-long depressive episode. I gave myself permission to dress as weird as I want, and I get more compliments on my look than I ever have because I'm dressing to make myself happy.
P.S. in the 80s none of us worried about symmetry - not for eyebrows, nor for cat-eye eyeliner. We freestyled everything. Black lipstick was always more sepia than black. Look at old adverts for Minor make up - I miss the brand so much - best eyeshadow and lip gloss (black violet) ever. For "bracelets" - we used bathplug chain from the local hardware shop: I had 3 metres on one arm, and 2 metres of the blobby sink-plug chain on the other.
Damn, reminds me of the good old goth on a budget days, just before EMP launched their goth section. Though at that time i was already totally into the "Aderlass" collections and working part time to afford their stuff.
Oh, I just remembered the good old bathplug chain, I don't know how I could forget those.😆 I wore a ton of them as necklaces and bracelets. One time I also put a real razor blade on a chain and wore it as a pendant, but my best friend saw it and she told me to take that off immediately before I cut myself. I love how silly we were and how we could make some accessories out of almost anything!
"I feel like the hair is not staying up..." Gurrlll, that was a whole-ass VIBE during the 80s, so you got the full 'historically accurate' life experience. I spent so much time in a seething rage at my hair for not being able to maintain the GlamRock magnitude for more than a few minutes at a time, despite literal HOURS of work, that it was a key factor in why I wear it mostly shaved now. I literally spent an entire lifetime's allotment of hair spoons over the course of like 5 years, and officially have no more left to give. Ah well. Shaved is legit emo/goth/punk, too. 🤣
I think it’s just a combination of hair and spoons. Hair is hair. And spoons are basically a metaphorical unit of measurement for energy/tasks that’s often used by people with chronic illnesses to explain what it’s like to have a lower capacity and also to measure what they’re likely to be able to do in a day so they can prioritise. So put it together and this person is saying they used up all the energy/effort they were willing to use on styling their hair over the course of their lifetime already so now they just shave it instead!
As a little kindergartener in the 80's, I ws obsessed with how cool the big goth girls looked, and apparently it hasn't changed in 33 years. That looks a-freaking-mazing.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but that hairstyle is unironically beautiful on Karolina. It's kind of hard to explain why--maybe it accentuates the cheekbones or something?--but it just *does* something for her face in a way that's hard to articulate.
I entered the goth scene in 1983 in the USA! I am still in it now... We made our outfits almost exclusively from thrift store items, if we had extra money we would get our shoes from a Nana's catalogue or travel to a big city to buy some (like John Fluevogs). We did wear a lot of eyeshadow in wild colors and would draw on designs and symbols with waterproof liquid eyeliner. It was hard to find black lipstick so we often used black stick eyeliner instead-and also just as a lip liner. Our hair we used mousse, then the crimper and then backcombing with a ton of hairspray (usually AquaNet as it had strongest hold) to keep it looking a proper wreck. For jewelry, we would order from catalogue or stock up at Halloween season at the local mall shop that sold costume spooky jewelry such as skeletons, bats, spiders, skulls, etc. We also did thrift vintage jewelry. We would do our hair every day but only wash it every so often so we could maintain the look easier. Pro tip: put your outfit & makeup on before you do your hair, that way your hair stays perfect :) You did a great job!
On the music side of things: as someone who was hooked on Floodland as a higher schooler in the early 2010s, that album has aged wonderfully, hasn't it?
In the 1980s, there was a point where every US daytime talk show would have parents trot out their Goth teen for public shaming and then the show's makeup & wardrobe people would normalize them so the audience could then cheer, like they'd won some sort of macrocultural victory. Watching those kids get unmade to gain their parents' & the viewing public's approval soooo burned & angered me as a Goth teen who felt I'd found an aesthetic & lifestyle that felt right & transcended the myopic mall-centric prep mindset of that era. Karolina, in doing this, you've reversed that talk show process, and instead presented the Gothic as a condition to aspire to, which vindicates those of us who keep the black & cobwebbed flag flying. Thank you so much for celebrating the subculture, and you totally kill as a Goth girl! Let me know if you need prom date, or just want to hang out in the graveyard, yah? Also, bet you might feel even more of a shoo-in as a Romantic Goth or Victorian Goth, so you should try on those looks next! And you should've gone out in public, it's part of the Goth experience, and it makes that look your proud dark armor.
The death of subcultures is a real human tragedy. A tragedy for everyone. Now it’s all about buy, consume, show-off. Pretty sad. So make sure you wear your true colors and dress appropriately. If I see you out in sweatpants/track pants or clothes from Jcrew/Gap we all know you’re a sellout.
I was an OG 80's Goth, it pulled its influences from Punk, New Romantic, Rock Chick and even a little mainstream 'Lady Di' (drop-waisted lace dresses, mermaid lace dresses and high-necked lace victorian blouses, but all in black). The core elements in the early days were leather, lace, studs, diamante, and hair! It was almost about confusing perception, all the feminine features but presented in a dark, edgy 'don't mess with me' way. For some, it was just that, for some, it was protective armour against the world. You did brilliantly with your hair but should have sprayed it with hairspray before heating, there should be a bit of smoke and smell of burning product or you're not doing it right ha ha! You also used a lighter to soften your eyeliner and make it stick (I still do :) ) You brushed your hair out, it would semi-straighten the crimps so your hair was very thick and slightly 'woolly' if you had to go to work you held it back with combs or in a ponytail Crimped hair stayed crimped until you next washed it!
early Goths were kinda like literal crows. intelligent, liked sparkly things, could accessorize the heck outta any outfit, and liked to congregate and party. your hair should be on day four or five after washing, and then you leave it in for about eight days. it might be too clean and that's why it isn't staying up!
As a goth, I feel so happy to see a person who is not a part of the gothic subculture talking about it respectfully, making proper research about it and being interested on the topic... People usually just care about goth outfits and want to copy our way of dress without even trying to understand what our movement is about, and this is kinda upsetting. But your video is amazing, loved it🖤
@Seven 011 pretty sure goths can be fans of the percy jackson series just as much as anyone can. people are usually multifaceted and have a large array of interests, not just one.
"I had to buy a whole pallet because for some reason people don't sell black eyeshadow separately" YES, THANK YOU! Black eyeshadow, coloured pencils and watercolour need the option to be sold separately, I think Crayola made a whole box of black crayons but none of the other products seem to have caught on! Love your final look, and the hair looked unironically great on you even before the rest of the makeover was done!
Amazing indie make up brands like Lethal, Corazona, Kaleidos, Clionadh or MakeupGeek sell individual eyeshadows with a crazy relation quality/prize ✨ *Amy Loves Makeup* is THE living Encyclopedia🙌🏻. Hope it helps 🧛🏻♀️🖤
A LOT of brands sell singles of black, both matte and sparkly. Pretty easy to find in the U.S., but maybe they're not available in Europe. I have Urban Decay, but there are cheaper brands too. Essence's Pitch Black is $1.99 at Ulta.
Essence actually makes singles which are like 2cm diameter round single colour eyeshadows. I have had a dark purple and chocolate brown for years and they still have some in them, although i'm not sure if they still have that line. I literally never had to buy seconds until this very day so i guess that we will see in the future
I was a goth in London. Prior to the goth period I was a huge Theda Bara look fan so when goth became prominent I was very happy. I'm so glad you brought up the comparison. Your jacket was a great find, btw. For the hair we used mousse (you could also get it in different colours) and I used a comb for the back combing. I had a lot of hair and backcombing small areas saved it from going too insane. I'd then hang my head down so that all the hair would flop down and hairspray it to set it, wait for the hairspray to dry before flipping my head upright again. There was a lot of oversized diamonte earrings, etc - chandeliers on our ears! It wasn't until my 40s that I stopped mostly wearing black.
My mom was goth. She was a teenager in the 80s, and she loved trad goth and victorian goth styles. Trad goth and goth culture were a part of her life - and of mine - since I can remember. I lost her last year, and this video truly made me think of her and smile. It's such a comfort to see people appreciate things even if they themselves aren't a part of that community, and it's always a joy to see you and other fashion historians dedicate so much time and effort into the preservation of fashion history and the encouragement of others to look into the past and learn about subcultures that are still alive today. Plus, you look so cool as a goth!! Thank you for another wonderful video 💗
@@KrisJustus Thank you for your kind words; next week would have been her 48th birthday. I’m so happy when I get to see the things she loved in my daily life, and Karolina’s video brought me a big smile. 💗
I am five minutes in and it’s making me laugh to have somebody historically trying to re-create what I did every weekend! You can interview many of us now and we will tell you the tricks. With that being said, you really did a great job. I have those earrings I’ve worn safety pin necklaces. I had a skirt like that, belts like that, a jacket like that. It looks like you shopped in my closet!
I love your commitment to time period authenticity rather than watering down old looks by forcing them through a more modern lens. Always makes for really transformative makeovers!
Yes, this! You not only achieved the authentic look, but you did it the authentic way as well! (If you swap online shopping for catching a bus three towns over because you heard a rumour there was one weird little shop that stocked black lippy! 😂)
THIS. My parents were both goth and punk so as a kid I grew up around the style to see modern looks of the style is fine but I don’t know. Seeing an old school goth done with a genuine appreciation for the past makes me happy. I didn’t think my parents looked stupid then or cringy. I thought they looked super cool 😅 I still think they do.
The polaroids could absolutely be shuffled into a stack of actual 80s polaroids and no one would know it was a recreation! That shirt is perfect and the whole thing comes together wonderfully.
80’s goth here, although we didn’t call it goth here in Amsterdam. We called it new wave. I used soap to set my hair because there just weren’t any good products available back then. Just wet the bar of soap under the tap and work the foam through your hair. Works great! Also, we wore vintage clothes from the fifties and sixties, very feminine in contrast with our black spiked hair!
My dad was a hippie, but he was intrigued by the punk stijl and he once cut a part out of a safety-pin, sanded the sides and put it on his nose. It's a massive safety-pin that's at least 10 cm's long, but he would put it on his nose and walk around like that. I bet he only did it on parties though, but he still has it and whenever punk is mentioned, he gets it out and puts it back on his nose, to remind everyone he has it xD
During my "I'm broke but also goth" phase in my early 20s, I used baby powder for whitening the face, because it was much cheaper than make-up. Stained like hell after layer 2, but on the bright side, you had really soft skin afterwards :D
Late 80's Early 90's goth here to report I wore my moussed and aqua netted hair for 3-4 days at a time. As the style fell apart you could mash it into a spooky updo or shove most of it under an appropriate hat. My friends and I all just used the lightest foundation and loose powder you could find at the drugstore and called it good. You used a lighter to melt the black eyeliner for better application. We didn't have the counter culture shopping options available now so thrifting for black vintage party dresses and sharkskin suit coats to cover in pins and wear over band tshirts was our trend. If you had a little money to spend you could go downtown (Seattle, WA!) to Retro Viva for stylish clothes and Manic Panic hair dye or John Fluevog for exotic pointy toed custom shoes. If you were feeling rich AND bold you could go to the smex shop with the clothing boutique upstairs featuring everything pleather, patent, lace, and leather. Such a fun time for fashion!
Mousse and Aquanet equaled helmet hair. It was going nowhere.😆We melted the pencil eyeliner too. We really didn't do the pale not did black lipstick exist. Never saw it. I just went with my skin tone and darker in the summer. Guess local areas did their own thing. Used more eyeliner but not all black eyeshadow. More brown eyeshadow and lipstick I recall. A blow dryer did make my hair stand up while using hair spray. Crimped first with a spritz of hair spray. My version of a Mohawk took 2 hours to do. Heels of some kind. Adult bóok stores had the spiked jewelry and other unique things to accessorize. The mall did have fishnet stockings.Chains for belts. Hardware store. I had some color. Maybe 50 percent. A few leather skirts on clearance in my size. Score.
@@JNoMooreNumbers Oh yes, the kohl black hard eyeliner pencil. Hence the nickname "sty liner" lol I remember drying my hair while basically standing on my head and spraying it in that position. OMG, the spiked dog collar!!! lol
Oh yeah the lighter on black eyeliner !! I learned to do eyeliner from my niece (we're the same age) who was a goth in the early 2000s and I had forgotten that trick. Black eyeliner is still the only type of makeup I manage and feel comfortable wearing btw ^^
You don't understand how happy I am this is my standard look 🦇🦇🦇 Also for anyone who may be nervous about trying the makeup: it's very forgiving. You could look really 'untidy' and still look cool! Rolling out of bed, onto the ground but in a fashionable way. You nailed the final look I love it x
Ok but as someone who's done their research for almost a decade now and has always been a fan of 80s music and fashion: You actually did your research and your result is very historically accurate. Alot of people wore more makeup than you put on but it looks fantastic. And I love the polaroids so much omg!! Im German so learning about that time in my country & how music influenced it has always faszinated me and I think it's very important to know our history. The 80s community is very much alive (on instagram especially) and I'm so happy more and more people get into it ❤️
IMO German goth/industrial/punk is a different level from just about anywhere else in the world. The style, the DIY, the clubs, the bands-all of it is the same but turned up to 11.
i live in leipzig and seeing people of all ages in their very diverse types of goth every year definitely shaped me as a person. people come from all over germany and even from other countries and their outfits are always so elaborate! every year i dress myself in the morning thinking "is this too much?" then getting there and being like "definitely not"
You absolutely nailed this!! I love how genuine and respectful you are in your interest in goth subculture and looks. I do really appreciate your juxtaposed comparison of 1980s Poland to 1980s England as well; I think it can be so easy to slip into thinking that the timing was eras apart. This video is one of my faves for sure!
Doing this in your vintage styled apartment is perfect, like a genuine 80s punk, living in their parents 50s or 60s era home with old hand-me-down furniture.
I’ve been in the subculture for ~10 years, and if I saw someone wearing your look at the goth club I’d absolutely be in awe. Thank you for doing your research and actually being respectful towards the culture! Given how often we’re stereotyped and just put in boxes, this is extremely rare, and we love you for it. The make-up looks *so* good on you!
As a current insider, maybe you know what brand the white face powder she used is? Or can recommend some others? I was there for the original goth but I'm not up on the new and improved make-up options. Thanks so much and good on you for keeping this culture alive!
@@sarahrosen4985 I'm not sure what she used but I know that most of the Goths in my circle of friends use Manic Panic's "Virgin White" powder. Sometimes it's labeled as "Vampyre's Veil" white pressed powder. I came into the scene over a decade ago now and that's the one most of my friends have always swore by. It's a bit expensive but from what I've seen it holds pretty well. Hope this helps.
That's amazing! We entered into the scene around the same time! What a time that was! I think the Gothic Charm School book was just released at the time and VampireFreaks (when it was still a social media site) was all the rage. Many fond memories of that time. It's great to encounter someone else from the same wave!
Siouxsie Sioux is pronounced “Susie Sue” just so you know:) it’s like the Native American indigenous Sioux nation^^ btw you totally pull off the look! Haha it’s surreal to see you in more modern fashion but it’s also really cool!
Karolina putting safety pins on a necklace reminded me of my friends in high school and middle school in the 90s putting tabs from cans of soda on necklaces by the multitudes.
As a dedicated fan of yours and an “elder goth” (aka once a youthful post punk obsessed human) I will tell you no, we did not do our hair every day to get that look. We were dirty af. We let our hair get dirty dirty dirty! The dirtier the hair, the higher it stood. (Though I was a child in the 80’s…. Loads of us 90’s goths we’re obsessed with The Cure and Siouxie’s look and still are.)
Omg, the crossover I never expected but SO highly appreciated!!! It's amazing to see someone who actually understands fashion analysis (??) do this, rather than someone just putting on all-black everything and calling it goth. This had such great research of the individual elements of the style and you did a WONDERFUL job, the end result looks really authentic and truly reads as trad goth, not just someone who threw on black lipstick and fishnets. A delight from start to finish!
I think you really nailed the look and Noone in a goth club would bat an eye at you. The best goth makeover I've seen probably because you did actual research and were able to identify that there are different styles of goth and just honed in on a specific Era.
So many normies making "goth" transformations without truly understanding what goth is... makes this such a breath of fresh air! You really did fantastic and honestly I love the look on you, Karolina!
I loved this video so much, especially the background about Poland in the 80s...So much of social media is dominated by the US/UK and it's so refreshing to have different perspectives....Also because I'm old AF it's hard to hear about eras I lived through as "historic" periods, but they were. I'm that person that watches stranger things and yellowjackets and gets very salty about the fashions/hairstyles etc. Re: female goths being able to afford authentic victorian jewelry. That kind of jewelry was readily available in thrift stores/flea markets in that era. Places like New York that actually had vintage stores would be expensive, but if you lived in the midwest you could get old clothes and jewelry pretty cheap. I had a friend who was super into it and she still collects Victorian jewelry to this day.
The affordability of Midwest secondhand imo still applies today. I tend to visit my grandparents in Ohio and I’ve grabbed so much for super cheap prices, also antique stores in New England are surprisingly super cheap too. But the authentic Victorian jewelry at antique shows in Ohio are unfortunately very expensive.
@@Raggedyfink I think fine jewelry like jet or diamonds would have been very expensive even in the 80s in the midwest, but certainly nice costume jewelry from the era could be had and there weren't a lot of reproductions at the time.
@@cinemaocd1752 I was last year at an antique fair in Burton, Ohio and one of the things I saw was antique mourning jewelry where the chain was made out of hair, which I already knew was a common thing to do back then but using hair as chain is definitely a pretty inventive work of art that I never saw up close before.
@@Raggedyfink As someone from northern New England I can tell you antique stores up there are cheap because they're everywhere. Can't find what you're looking for in one? It'll be in the one down the street and around the corner.
You observe correctly the similarities between "mainstream" fashion and goth/post-punk fashion in terms of hair and makeup. But as someone who was there and wore it, I think honestly that the subculture hair and makeup were not "extreme" versions of the mainstream - rather it was the other way round. When punk crossed into mainstream looks it changed EVERYTHING. I can now look back and realise that there were precursors to what we thought was new and radical in the 80s, in the early 70s and even 60s, but at the time, there was a very strong element of street style being picked up and packaged for wider wear. Think Zandra Rhodes, designer to the wealthy, adding safety pins to her haute couture. Magazines made their wares look cool and up to date by adding big hair, strong makeup. It was the opposite of the Devil Wears Prada "cerulean" speech, really.
I was in high school from 1978 till 1982. I remember: Wearing two different colored eyeshadow combos on each eye; literally wearing safety pins in my earlobes; spike heels with skinny designer jeans; lots of blush-on; lots of lip gloss; thick eyebrows; pairing my mom's 1940s wraparound black crepe skirt with a dacron fire-red cap-sleeved button-up top and a leather jacket. And feathered hair. I refused to tease my hair because it's so fine, though I did slick it back with K-Y jelly (works great, lol). Also my last name alone puts me in the Goth category.
@@TheCatLady65 actually, we didn't call 'em Goths back then, although that is the first syllable of my surname, so I *did* hear that now and again. On the east side of Detroit,MI, however, it was still Punk or New Wave. But, you know, what*evah*. 🙃
As someone who grew up in the 80’s, the crappy black lipstick is absolutely true to the era. We used to cover our lips with eyeliner first. (Sometimes red for an especially blech look.) Also the “white” foundation was always just the palest one available. Mine was made by Innoxa in the shade “Pink Blossom.” Since I have warm-toned, fair-medium skin, you can imagine how great that looked.
I just watched this video with my 13-year-old. As a GenXer who was a teen in the 80s and know how we did our hair. I am impressed with your effort and the result. On the other hand, I was yelling at the screen, "She's doing it all backwards and wrong!" But I understand because you weren't there to do it in the 80s! First, makeup, because if you mess it up and it gets on your hair, you can brush it out. But if you do hair first then makeup, you'll have a hard time fixing it without messing up the hair. You can always fix the makeup after you do your hair. Also, gel AND hair spray before you start crimping. It helps the hair crimp and stay in place better. Other than that, great effort! It made me want to demo how it was done with my kid.
As someone who lived goth/punk in the 80s onwards. You did a fantastic job. Things were very homemade. We would need to catch the bus into Manchester, took over an hour, to get to specialist shops. These were expensive, so often it was a signature piece which you worked around.
I was in my teens-early 20s during the 1980s in the US, and the goth/punk scene here was very much about taking things that you could find in secondhand stores, with your parents' or grandparents' clothing, remixed in a way that suited the new style. So all the costume jewelry you saw on goth/punk women generally was either from cheap secondhand stores, or more likely, stolen from their moms' or grandmothers' jewelry boxes and just piled on.
Also for the hair...all the girls in my high school used Aqua Net hairspray, which was basically like cement, and the guys and girls with mowhawks often used Elmer's white glue to keep the spikes up.
I did my hair with a crimper every two to three days in the evening, after a shower. In the morning, I loaded it up with mousse, touched up with the crimper, and set it with Extra Super Hold Aqua Net Hairspray (the pink & white can, baby!!). I backcombed with a teasing comb. Getting ready to go anywhere took me at least an hour and a half and was exhausting. Anyone who claimed their makeup only took 5 minutes in the ‘80s was lying, or they weren’t doing it properly.
@@TheMetatronGirl Aquanet=great cement. Used the Pink can mostly, blue in a rush. For the sides you didn't pin it though, what you did was hold the side flat against the head, spray Aquanet and then set it with the hair dryer. Then back comb the top over it. I look back at some of the photos and just go, "WHY did we think that was cool"? Gluing our hair into place. LOL. Great effort for a later goth style, if you want to go earlier you gotta do the blush....think pink contouring and you've got it. LOL.
@@xingcat Yes, Aqua net and Elmer's glue. Also, avoiding sun, around here, was usually enough to make you Goth pale. We never used clown white, cuz except for of baby powder, we literally didn't have it. But if you needed or wanted a pale foundation, the color Porcelain was fabulous. I can't remember if it was Maybelline or Cover Girl. Plus, actual white make-up was too white, and you'd get teased for it.
@@michellecornum5856 I always just used baby powder as my face powder as the porcelain was my actual skin tone. Kept all the oil at bay and gave me a nice matte finish.
I usually shudder when anyone outside the subculture does a goth look but you nailed it and treated us with enough respect to do a serious effort in research! You ended up looking a lot like Anne-Marie Hurst (Skeletal Family and Ghost Dance). Other goth female artists from that time to look at for style inspo besides Siouxsie Sioux and Anne-Marie Hurst are Patricia Morrison and every band member from Xmal Deutschland. And you're 100% correct, back then goths weren't into big combat boots, that integrated into the subculture in the 90s (as did the historically inspired wear for the most part, which in the 90s was more medieval/renaissance than Victorian in inspiration). The trend before combat boots was pointy shoes to give off a spooky vibe. Chelsea boots were common, but the REALLY cool kids wore winklepickers. In the 80s goth wasn't fully formed yet and there were a lot of commonalities between it and the new romantics, punk, and other contemporary subcultures. There weren't any big dedicated brands so the fashion was all DIY + our still treasured favorite "normal clothes, but in black" that people then gothify with accessories and other staples. That means that any fashion trend of the 80s that could be done in black, goths back then were most likely doing too.
I was not goth (more goth-adjacent), but I treasure the black suede winklepicker boots I bought in London in 1986 with big silver western-style buckles.
Wow I love the look on you. The hair was amazing even though at first you looked liked sideshow Bob from the Simpson’s. The makeup and clothing on point. I knew some goth kids living in the 80s in Montreal Canada.
honestly that is still how i dress like 90% of the time when going out, but i do have to do more combat boots now bc of my bad ankles, but thank goodness for solovairs, they're wonderful if you have hyper mobile ankles like mine. I also absolutely don't understand brands with names all over them and having a price tag of $80+ per item of clothing.
If you don't mind me asking, because that was before my time in the goth scene back home, where did the combat boots come from? I know that the goth and industrial communities are really interwined these days, so the industrial scene is my first guess.
Ok but the way that you absolutely crushed this???? You look so amazing, I am in awe. They should be calling you Lucretia because your reflection in those mirrors was INSANE
My goth heart is so happy. Also I didn’t think I could find you cooler but now you do your research and respect the subcultures roots unlike so many people. I hope you fell a little in love with the subculture or at least a part of it, there’s something for everyone here :) you also look really good as a goth too ngl, I incorporate my goth aesthetic into my historical aesthetic all the time in my own way and it meshes better than you’d think!
Honestly with pop, hip hop, trap music and culture being mainstream right now this feels just like a breath of fresh air. I am also noticing that with the resurgence of wednesdays addams now I'm seeing a lot of goth culture finally being recognised. I mean goths... they had it rough especially in the 80's and 90's.
I love how you said "hip hop and trap" while trap itself is a subgenre of the hip hop, meaning how huge the trap genre as a main genre in hip hop music recently
@@thatbitchnoemie I'm sorry to hear that. I get the usual dirty looks here, but thankfully people (mostly) leave me alone now. I've perfected the miserable scowl and have a bit of age on my side, but I might just be lucky in my city. Don't let them get you down, you live how you feel best!
Love this! As a goth coming into the scene fully mid 90s at university you nailed it! Stargazer was THE makeup - no one cared if anything was even, I wore layers and layers of ripped tights and fishnets as tops and my best outfit was a massive wedding dress skirt with train with a black lace overlay, corset and more fishnet! Loved your mention of Whitby Jet - now I’m older I have quite a collection of Silver and Jet pieces :) And I also wore a lot of glitter!
I gasped when you whipped out that white Powder from Star Gazer! My mother was a goth in the 80s and used the same brand, I even "borrowed" her powder so it made me happy to see it! The style looks great on you and I also really appreciate the bit about what living in Poland looked like in the 80s. Parts of it sounded like Eastern Germany. Wild how such different ways of living existed so close to each other, still boggles my mind.
Not an OG goth like many in the comments, but the daughter of a Punk pioneer here in Sydney, Australia - you did fantastic work on this transition! I showed my mum, and she thought you had the looks down pat, but definitely not far removed from your own fabulous vintage style. And as a bit of a punk/goth myself, I think you did beautifully!
As a former 80s goth, you did a fantastic job. The teased up hairstyles lasted longer than you might think thanks to Aquanet hairspray, which was used liberally. In terms of makeup a lot of us couldn't afford to buy a lot of makeup so certain things ended up doing more than one job. Myself I would use the palest, cheapest panstick foundation I could find, and then powder over the top with just straight white talcum powder; eyeshadow wise I tended to prefer either purple, burgundy or red & the eyeshadow would often double as your blusher and lipstick as well (cream style eyeshadows or eyeshadow sticks were a bonus, because they did make good lipsticks & then you could just use a powder eyeshadow as blusher). The only item of makeup I ever remotely splurged on was liquid eyeliner, otherwise pretty much everything else was whatever you could find on the cheap. In terms of what I wore fashion wise it ran the gamut from black stirrup pants, frilly pirate shirts, and winkle picker boots, accessorised with brooches, beads, pearls, silver bangles, etc (all thrift shop or cheap store pickups) to 1970s empire line velvet dressed embroided with red roses, to 1960s purple or black lurex mini dresses, leopard or snakeskin print coats, knitted jumpers teamed with thrifted suede or leather skirts and fishnets or lurex tights, or even just basic tight black jeans with a diy screen printed or fabric painted t-shirt or tank top (etc, etc, etc). The 1920s were also definitely an influence in terms of makeup and the overall aesthetic, with the silent film star 'Theda Bara-esque' look but punked up (same with the old Universal Horror movies, or even some 1940s-ish styles).
@@JNoMooreNumbers Even before I went goth, I wore those just in more mainstream colors--our high school wasn't kind to goths. My current wearing at the moment in my 50's pants? are just strirup pants w/o the stirrups! Black of course. The comfort level of those pants has never been topped in my book--there's something about knit pants that if they're done in a decent manner look really put together today at my age. Every now and again I dye my grey hair outrageous colors too just to relive the old days. I'm old enough that I can do what I want now w/o judgment, grins!
@@Knight-of-Sarcasm No one dressed that way til I hit around 20. So none in school then. My old high school is embarrassing now. Way too many can't decide what bathroom to use. I'd homeschool before using the schools there now.
I’ve noticed a lot of 1930s/40s influence in 80s fashion so it’s interesting to see it here. A lot of punk influence too. The massive hair was all 80s!
100 percent NAILED IT! I’m old enough to remember 80s goth and you got the clothes exactly the way the kids did it: thrift and DIY or die! OMG did the crimping iron ever massacre our hair after continued usage! Also, don’t be surprised if early 80s kids raided grandparents stuff that may have been Edwardian or 20s!
As a child of the 80s who wasn't Goth, I still had flashbacks over some of these elements. The earrings. The safety pins. The trying to make my dead straight hair crimp.
80s goth here. I put mousse in my hair before crimping. The hair was hard as hell. Turn head upside down for teasing. Hairspray every step of the way. 🖤
Funnily enough me (an early 2000s kid) did the tiny overnight braids in kindergarden and elementary school to get "princess hair" so I guess goths and princesses were very related in my mind
THIS is what we need to bring back more of, that style is punk, goth, all counter culture personified in an energetic and powerful look that still has some slickness to it, definitely can work with a more formal environment. LOVE it!
there's a girl at my school that wears a mixture of goth and punk and she's so cool 😭 we also have a punk guy here. I do dress alternatively but I really want to start dressing more recognizably punk or gothic buuuut I am too scared to be judged
it somehow makes me miss the very early 2003 indie underground, which was raw and rough but also polished and flattering. loved the looks and the music and the scene so much, I still do. I peaked in my personal style when all this got mixed with mod and sixties a little later on. I miss getting all dolled up only to sweat it all away dancing in the club.
It's my 2nd favorite babysitter from the 1980's! I remember she wore big old baggy sweaters, black leggings, black leg-warmers, pointed toe flats, and a shit-ton of eye make up and hair spray. She was the sweetest person I ever knew while growing up and she had a great sense of humor. I was so disappointed when I was a teenager in the 90's and all the goth kids were more like Lydia Deetz from "Beetlejuice" rather than like my babysitter.
Hey, former Goth here! This is fantastic! Not only did you nail the look, you also got it right when it comes to not letting the 90s and 2000s Goth look influence your research. Many people (including many proper Goths) tend to forget that, before the 90s when Goth fashion was definitely influenced by Metal, Industrial and BDSM, Goth was actually pretty colourful, imaginative and basically just a lot of fun. Personally I was a Goth in the mid 90s in provincial Argentina and the 80s was my main model, with its thrifty look and yes, a lot of knitwear. Great video, thanks! 🦇
You definitely nailed the look. I would definitely use Sisters of Mercy videos for much of the female goth look. All my student room mates were goths and in bands and the big hair and back combing was huge, literally and metaphorically. Plus there was never just one goth look, it was very much a homemade look and people made do with what was available
Love the reveal in front of the flowered wallpaper, it’s so 80‘s london. I half expected an old lady to come in with tea and biscuits, asking you where you‘re going and then wishing you a good time at the club 😂
As a goth myself it makes me so happy to see someone actually do the research and try. Alot of goth makeover videos I feel like they treat it like a costume or a joke. So thank you for that. I love seeing the old clips from back then and I like researching the history myself. A big thing I personally love about the clothing and makeup is the androgyny and freedom of expression. For example wearing makeup as a guy in a goth club back then wasn't a big deal, it played and still plays with gender expression. As someone who is exploring their gender identity that has been something I'm drawn to about it. There's also the DIY creative element that is so much fun. Ultimately within the subculture we are all individuals who have something in common, finding acceptance and a sense of belonging together and from a distance. 🦇🖤🦇
Tangentially related, but for those interested, there's some really good 80s Polish punk/goth out there! Siekiera and Republika are both considered classic bands in the coldwave scene.
Ahh! This style suits you so well. Also I'm glad so glad you delved into the history of the style rather than just slapping together a stereotypical "idea" of what the goth subculture was. 🖤As always amazing work!
People were absolutely wearing authentic and altered authentic victorian pieces in the 80s, it was just grandma stuff then and it was common to come accross in thrift shops. I'm not quite old enough to remember but I've worked with so many older ladies that have all lamented how many late 18/early 1900s dresses they shredded and repurposes in the 80s.
It definitely hurts my heart when I think about it, especially how many of the Edwardian white dresses got obliterated by the hippies before the goths started thrifting.
@@afreaknamedallie1707 yeah, both of the genx ladies I'm thinking of lamented all the things they destroyed in thier teens and twenties, but it just wasn't a common idea that the stuff was worth saving. But that period between relevance and reverence is the undoing of a lot of history.
It is so interesting to watch a historian try to figure out what I lived. It’s also making me feel old. Though I was in NYC, not London. For slight paleness, I used cover up makeup that was meant for under eye circles as an all over foundation. Crimping irons were uncommon when it first started, so we would put our hair in tiny braids while still damp at night. It took lots of aquanet to keep the hair standing up. My favorite shade of lipstick was deep fuchsia. DIY was a big thing. Most of the clothing and jewelry was altered thrift store finds and grandpa hand-me-downs. Safety pins were used very extensively. We would dye the pastel sweaters. You really nailed the look.
As a British goth I approve of this. You needed like an entire can of hairspray though, and heat. A friend did my hair in twin mohawks when it was around 12 inches long and managed to get it sticking up solid.
This is such a gorgeous look! The fact that you watched a Black Friday tutorial warms my little black heart even more 🖤 Now I'm off to make a safety pin necklace
I was working in one of the big university libraries in the U.K. that had a large population of European masters students that I spent a lot of time chatting with. The experiences they had growing up in the countries gradually escaping the soviet block were utterly beyond my comprehension. I had grown up poor in the U.K. in the eighties. But these girls were super proud of their two tubes of lipstick, one of which was second hand. I had had a lipstick as a teenager and only ever wore it occasionally as I wasn’t much interested and didn’t really have the money to get interested. For them it was about aspirations. Even if they could scrape the money there wasn’t the product to buy, and you certainly wouldn’t get a choice in colour. If I could scrape the money and cared to spend it on makeup I could have bought anything I wanted.. It was a different world. I’m really glad to see you explain so eloquently in this video karolina. And in support of another commenters suggestion, please do the dating old photographs game that geowizard recently tried. Repeating the request in the hopes you see one of them.
I was a punkrock in the eighties, but it was similar. Those big hairs... I think you did really well! A tip for the hair: We used soap (dry soap with a tiny bit of watet) before crimping it. Then backcombing and hairspray!
You really got the look! It's so refreshing to see someone do the research and actually make an effort. I've been a Goth for over a decade now and over the years I've seen countless "throw on some costume vampire clothes and heavy makeup" type of "Goth Makeover" videos. I have friends who were there in the 80's and 90's who've all said that most of their clothes came from the thrift store and were DIY pieces so it was nice to see you go there too. Loved every minute of this video. You'd almost definitely fit in at some of the Goth nights that go on in my area. We have some Trad Goths in our little social group that look very similar to how you did in this video. Again, great job!
I think and remember back then 80s and 90s they called us mostly punks, new wavers, alternatives, some death rockers, etc. Goth term was used too sometimes. There was a lot of crossover too. My gf (now wife) was more of the goth punk. I was more of the new wave punk. But, same type of style and music very similar. All came from punk influences and cultures. Post-punk. But she and I listened to all kinds of other music too growing up. Same for our kids. Just as you do.
This gave me such visceral flashbacks to my youth and I love it. (Of note I was a 90s goth raised by 80s goths, so it's not like I am authentic to the era since I was too young to really partake in the first wave as much as my mom just imparted her knowledge and habits on to me until I developed my own). Some funny things to note, black lipstick was often black eyeliner since that was cheap and available year round. I still love me black lipliner with bright red lipstick because of it, and love it even more because it doesn't taste funny now that they actually make black lipliners year round. Baby powder on top of the lightest foundation you could get at the drugstore was really common, but my mom also bought us both copious amounts of Mehron makeup because it came in our skin tone (we weren't going for colorless white as much as just trying to find a shade match for our already pasty complexions that wasn't super expensive and prone to oxidizing). I can also thank my mom being an 80s goth for my love of vintage fashion and thrifting because her and her friends used to take baby bat me back in the day to go thrifting with them and my little magpie brain loved digging through all the racks to find things. Back then, 40s clothes were really common to find, and I have no doubt that influenced my direction after my 90s-00s "romantic" goth era, because I find myself more and more settling into the 40s style as my current base to my goth wardrobe. Oh and as for hair teasing, basically you teased the hell out of it and then did maintenance on fluffing up the bits that crumpled from sleeping throughout the week from what I remember. I think my mom brushed her hair out on Wednesdays and washed it - though maybe it was every other Wednesday - until she got tired of the full head of hair and gave herself a mohawk that she also teased the hell out of. She still has a mohawk but now she just dyes it whatever color she's in the mood for and leaves it kind of "unstyled" because teasing it "is a complete pain in the ass, and I'm not here to impress anyone".
i am an absolute baby as far as goth goes but ive been dressing goth/adjacent since i was like 14? Black Friday was also a huge mentor for me. This video made me so happy!! This is the first transformation ive seen that actually cares about the culture and style ty for doing the elder goths justice lol, 80s trad is my fav should've known Karolina would never let me down also i wanna cut all my hair off after watching this so i can do poofy styles again :')
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Umm the term “Goth” is a later style and is a later collective term, not used at the time 🤷♀️ most of the pictures you showed are punks, New Romantics and 80’s pop . Punk wast particularly “poor people” 🤦♀️
You are reinventing history, how Victorian of you, this is just jarring and weird.
Ps hairspray your hair and crimp whist damp with spray so it sizzles 😂
There were not the products, run damp soap bar through your hair makes it thick and sticky.
Go hard core jam a large safety pin through your cheek 🎉
No Patricia Morrison inspiration in this vid……. 😢😢? I mean I understand you may not have spotted her ^^
@@GroovlyDo gothic was used in this video from the 80s by one of the girls to describe her style: czcams.com/video/GkiU6NwPm8o/video.html so I think it's safe to assume it already existed. the pictures I showed were mostly from a tumblr blog "Now This Is Goth" where former 80s goths submit pictures of themselves from that time - so again, I believe them. and the other subcultures you mentioned listened to different kinds of music so I don't think that applies here
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My dad wasn't goth, but he was a punk in the 80s, He told me he spiked his mowhawk hair up with egg whites and freaking used straight up spray paint on it. Dude was a mad lad.
Egg Whites!!! We totally used them in HS for mohawks
A friend of mine used shoe polish and we would also put jello powder in a water bottles and spray it on our mohawks !
Superglue!
@@TheCatLady65 nuts,that would only come off with a shaving 😉
My dad would use boot wax
Karolina really said "Thats goth for you, baby. Boy dont cry" and "Excuse my disheveled appearence" in the same breath. Love that for her
Oh thank for watching my video, and great job, you looked rad! I'm doing an updated hair tutorial video soon ^____^
Good heavens! Two of my favourite fashion youtubers in one post! 🖤💜🖤
Omg one of my fav CZcamsrs
I love how this looked better and more authentic than practically all of the "80s Goth Makeover" videos from big-name fashion channels. Where a lot of content creators tend to treat goth in general as cheap and costume-like, this was one of only a few videos I've seen that actually nailed it. Iconic. 🖤
Well of course! She's a fashion historian! 😁
@@avsusky Exactly! her method was basically the one we used in the period. Find stuff that you can repurpose or make it! Figure out the hair and make up as you go along! It was perfect. :)
Sorry but late 70’s and 80’s style wasn’t Goth it was post punk.
@eileenmcchrystal8471 That's only half-correct. People weren't calling themselves "goth" until much later, its true. The term become associated with the subculture only after being used by Ian Astbury (of The Cult, or as the band was named then, The Southern Death Cult) to describe Andi Sexgang and his fans. But people weren't calling themselves "post-punk" either, as that's a label that didn't exist back then and has only recently been (retroactively) pinned to the late-'70s/early-'80s scene.
Back then, depending on the locale in question, they called themselves "Batcavers" (from the club of the same name, which is widely considered to be the birthplace of the goth scene), "Cureheads", "New Romantics" - which was its own glam phenomenon, but had a lot of overlap with the budding goth scene - or New Wavers, "Deathrockers" (here in the western side of the United States, at least), or even simply considered themselves punks in general, with little to no distinction between themselves and the pre-"post-punk" punks. Some media outlets even called them "Positive Punks" to differentiate the goths from the rest, though that term didn't seem to stick nearly as much.
@@mourningwoodward never ever did I hear barbers at that time. Btw I didn’t say people called themselves as post punks. We were just folk who were into an alternative live music scene. Mainly before bands such as Ultravox (originally with Jon Foxx before Midge Ure), Big in Japan (before Ian Brody was in the public Eye with the Lightning Seeds), same with The Stranglers, Ian Dury, The Police, Echo & The Bunnymen, Dr Feelgood etc Ie before they were more mainstream. Many of us designed and made our own clothes. I’d sew an outfit during the week to wear of a weekend. The cool, edgy, arty folk 🤷 we didn’t have a label. We were too busy living it 😂. However, it defo wasn’t Goth!
As an OG 1980s goth, I must say you did an excellent job! I think you look perfect, but here are a few tips for if you want to take it to the next level:
* Black eyeliner pencil in the waterline, top and bottom - you can also use it as lip liner;
* We used Aqua-Net hairspray by the can, but I don't know if the current formula is any good; just go with the highest hold hairspray you can find and shellac your head;
* Can't find the garment you want in black? Get the item you want in another color and dye it.
...damn it, I miss that aesthetic.
I was probably what you would call goth back in the 80s too we used hair lacquer or even soap (a bit like soap brows) in our hair.
I can remember coming home from Uni with a Siouxsie Sioux hairdo and my mum having forty fits.
My son became a goth in the early 2000s and other mothers were amazed about how laid back I was about it - basically, been there, done that.
Soooo much hairspray, my dad would get so cranky 🙂
I used shaving foam and hairspray for the hair. And of course the black eye shadow for contouring. And black eye liner for the spider webs between my eyebrow and temples/hair line (shaved semi mohawk).
Those were the days!
One year my mom got me a case of aqua net for Christmas. It was one of my best gift memories especially since I had to buy my own hairspray with my hard earned babysitting money. 😂
In the 1980's I (USA, boring 30ish female) got on a bus in Liverpool, England. A Goth girl got on the bus at the next stop. I had never seen a real Goth before. She was the most beautiful human I had ever seen. My career was as a teacher in an American high school. Goth was still a living, practiced life style for a small group of students as late as 2015 (I left the schools then so I don't have any current first-person knowledge.). The Goth kids were the kindest, most tolerant people in the building. They accepted strays and sought knowledge. Many had "issues", but they lived kindly anyway. I truly loved my Goth students.
I think goths are kinda like furries in that they are really used to having their community be a punching bag for jokes and ridicule. This is probably why these communities are so open minded and accepting. Freaks gotta stick together🖤
Thats nice to hear! Currently in 2023 theres still a pretty decently big goth scene online (idk abt irl since the goth scene here is rlly small) but now Goth is considered kind of a subculture of "alt" or "alternative" and we still keep those same values you describe! (though maybe less the tolerance since alot of alt and goth people ik are also activists). Though I dont represent the entire alt community so take my reply with a grain of salt.
There's still a local bar that does goth night regularly, albeit, fewer attendees than there used to be, unless they have a goth band playing that night.
Aww as a former goth (but do we ever stop being goth?) circa 1997, I love hearing all of this.
@@ashextraordinaire that was my goth era too!
Another motto of true traditional Goth is that "it's never too much there's never too much hairspray there's never too much makeup you can't be too pale and you can't have on too many clothes"
If you ask yourself ‘is this enough?’ the answer is always NO
Thanks! I'd forgotten how I would layer on clothes.
The opposite of Coco Channel's advice!
I love being reminded of the layers of clothes
@@jwsuicides8095 omg yes, the layers!
From a 90s goth (about to turn 40 and still in the subculture), you did an amazing job, Karolina! It's always nice to see people experiment with the style and also do research about its origins, and your face is also well suited for the aesthetic.
just wanna say I love that you're still a goth. So many people leave behind those sides of them as they get older and see it as just a phase, it genuinely inspires me (as a 22 year old) when I hear and see people older than me still wearing the style they love/loved when they were younger. Sort of reminds me that you don't have to leave behind those parts of you as you age:)
@@Sophie_Pea That's a great outlook, Sophie. It's a special kind of blessing to grow into things that make you happy instead of growing out of them, and I hope that's something you are gifted with in your life.
For me, the phase was dressing 'normal' when I got out of college. I thought I needed to to feel like a proper adult, but it was honestly one of the worst periods of my life. I never stopped being alternative at heart, never stopped loving the music or the subculture or any of the other stuff that makes me 'weird,' and I returned to dressing goth in 2016 after I made it through a months-long depressive episode. I gave myself permission to dress as weird as I want, and I get more compliments on my look than I ever have because I'm dressing to make myself happy.
The too-much-flash photos at the end really sealed the deal. Our time traveling meme mom made it to the 80s!
Well, she lived 'em, so...
@@aestevalis0
Uh, no she didn’t. How old do you think she is???
You must be new here @@timopper5488
She's a time traveler
That last photo was *chef's kiss* perfection.
P.S. in the 80s none of us worried about symmetry - not for eyebrows, nor for cat-eye eyeliner. We freestyled everything. Black lipstick was always more sepia than black. Look at old adverts for Minor make up - I miss the brand so much - best eyeshadow and lip gloss (black violet) ever.
For "bracelets" - we used bathplug chain from the local hardware shop: I had 3 metres on one arm, and 2 metres of the blobby sink-plug chain on the other.
Damn, reminds me of the good old goth on a budget days, just before EMP launched their goth section. Though at that time i was already totally into the "Aderlass" collections and working part time to afford their stuff.
Oh, I just remembered the good old bathplug chain, I don't know how I could forget those.😆 I wore a ton of them as necklaces and bracelets. One time I also put a real razor blade on a chain and wore it as a pendant, but my best friend saw it and she told me to take that off immediately before I cut myself. I love how silly we were and how we could make some accessories out of almost anything!
Old punk here: we used to wear faux-jewelled cat collars as bracelets and studded dog collars around our boots.
Ha! Totally forgot about bathtub chain jewelry. And also belts made out of dog-leash chains and collars!
"I feel like the hair is not staying up..." Gurrlll, that was a whole-ass VIBE during the 80s, so you got the full 'historically accurate' life experience.
I spent so much time in a seething rage at my hair for not being able to maintain the GlamRock magnitude for more than a few minutes at a time, despite literal HOURS of work, that it was a key factor in why I wear it mostly shaved now. I literally spent an entire lifetime's allotment of hair spoons over the course of like 5 years, and officially have no more left to give. Ah well. Shaved is legit emo/goth/punk, too. 🤣
hair spoons!! 😂 the energy for some activities in life really does run out like that lolllll
*googles “what are hair spoons”*
I think it’s just a combination of hair and spoons. Hair is hair. And spoons are basically a metaphorical unit of measurement for energy/tasks that’s often used by people with chronic illnesses to explain what it’s like to have a lower capacity and also to measure what they’re likely to be able to do in a day so they can prioritise. So put it together and this person is saying they used up all the energy/effort they were willing to use on styling their hair over the course of their lifetime already so now they just shave it instead!
As a little kindergartener in the 80's, I ws obsessed with how cool the big goth girls looked, and apparently it hasn't changed in 33 years. That looks a-freaking-mazing.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but that hairstyle is unironically beautiful on Karolina. It's kind of hard to explain why--maybe it accentuates the cheekbones or something?--but it just *does* something for her face in a way that's hard to articulate.
It's giving her width. She's cropping the image so in most shots it doesn't give her height.
Yes I was thinking the same thing -- her face seems very well suited for the goth look, she looks stunning!
Goth always seems to work on unique faces cause it’s just so out there
I was a teen in the 1980s. Big hair is a frame! It totally flatters the face.
Big hair looks good on her. Different hairstyles suit different people differently. Something on those lines really are flattering on her.
I entered the goth scene in 1983 in the USA! I am still in it now... We made our outfits almost exclusively from thrift store items, if we had extra money we would get our shoes from a Nana's catalogue or travel to a big city to buy some (like John Fluevogs). We did wear a lot of eyeshadow in wild colors and would draw on designs and symbols with waterproof liquid eyeliner. It was hard to find black lipstick so we often used black stick eyeliner instead-and also just as a lip liner. Our hair we used mousse, then the crimper and then backcombing with a ton of hairspray (usually AquaNet as it had strongest hold) to keep it looking a proper wreck. For jewelry, we would order from catalogue or stock up at Halloween season at the local mall shop that sold costume spooky jewelry such as skeletons, bats, spiders, skulls, etc. We also did thrift vintage jewelry. We would do our hair every day but only wash it every so often so we could maintain the look easier. Pro tip: put your outfit & makeup on before you do your hair, that way your hair stays perfect :) You did a great job!
I was lucky enough to get 2 of my NaNa's thrifting back then (and one more recently on Poshmark)!
@@antipatsy wow! That IS lucky indeed! :)
On the music side of things: as someone who was hooked on Floodland as a higher schooler in the early 2010s, that album has aged wonderfully, hasn't it?
Garage sale 'ing was also a huge source for my jewelry. So many older ladies just starting to weed out their older items for 10 cents! :D
@@nataliejarosz9360 I do still enjoy all the early SOM albums to be sure! :)
In the 1980s, there was a point where every US daytime talk show would have parents trot out their Goth teen for public shaming and then the show's makeup & wardrobe people would normalize them so the audience could then cheer, like they'd won some sort of macrocultural victory. Watching those kids get unmade to gain their parents' & the viewing public's approval soooo burned & angered me as a Goth teen who felt I'd found an aesthetic & lifestyle that felt right & transcended the myopic mall-centric prep mindset of that era. Karolina, in doing this, you've reversed that talk show process, and instead presented the Gothic as a condition to aspire to, which vindicates those of us who keep the black & cobwebbed flag flying. Thank you so much for celebrating the subculture, and you totally kill as a Goth girl! Let me know if you need prom date, or just want to hang out in the graveyard, yah?
Also, bet you might feel even more of a shoo-in as a Romantic Goth or Victorian Goth, so you should try on those looks next! And you should've gone out in public, it's part of the Goth experience, and it makes that look your proud dark armor.
I hated those shows so much! Moral Panics are moral panics. I hated the make over at the end of Breakfast club too.
The death of subcultures is a real human tragedy. A tragedy for everyone. Now it’s all about buy, consume, show-off. Pretty sad. So make sure you wear your true colors and dress appropriately. If I see you out in sweatpants/track pants or clothes from Jcrew/Gap we all know you’re a sellout.
That’s terrible, sorry for those children …
wasn’t that a meme on Instagram too omg
I was an OG 80's Goth, it pulled its influences from Punk, New Romantic, Rock Chick and even a little mainstream 'Lady Di' (drop-waisted lace dresses, mermaid lace dresses and high-necked lace victorian blouses, but all in black). The core elements in the early days were leather, lace, studs, diamante, and hair! It was almost about confusing perception, all the feminine features but presented in a dark, edgy 'don't mess with me' way. For some, it was just that, for some, it was protective armour against the world. You did brilliantly with your hair but should have sprayed it with hairspray before heating, there should be a bit of smoke and smell of burning product or you're not doing it right ha ha! You also used a lighter to soften your eyeliner and make it stick (I still do :) )
You brushed your hair out, it would semi-straighten the crimps so your hair was very thick and slightly 'woolly' if you had to go to work you held it back with combs or in a ponytail Crimped hair stayed crimped until you next washed it!
Yeah, I think she was a little thrown off by the New Romantic elements.
early Goths were kinda like literal crows. intelligent, liked sparkly things, could accessorize the heck outta any outfit, and liked to congregate and party. your hair should be on day four or five after washing, and then you leave it in for about eight days. it might be too clean and that's why it isn't staying up!
Excellent memories!
Those crows sure love to accessorize!
I thought the same thing with her hair, it needs to be skanked up then it'd be truly authentic lol
As a goth, I feel so happy to see a person who is not a part of the gothic subculture talking about it respectfully, making proper research about it and being interested on the topic...
People usually just care about goth outfits and want to copy our way of dress without even trying to understand what our movement is about, and this is kinda upsetting.
But your video is amazing, loved it🖤
@Seven 011 pretty sure goths can be fans of the percy jackson series just as much as anyone can. people are usually multifaceted and have a large array of interests, not just one.
@@petrichorbones ok she they
If my profile pic was Nico di Angelo or Thalia Grace would you see me as a goth? Haha, maybe I should change it...
I'm not suggesting that you should change your style or anything like that, but damn, this look suits you wonderfully! You look absolutely stunning!
"I had to buy a whole pallet because for some reason people don't sell black eyeshadow separately" YES, THANK YOU! Black eyeshadow, coloured pencils and watercolour need the option to be sold separately, I think Crayola made a whole box of black crayons but none of the other products seem to have caught on! Love your final look, and the hair looked unironically great on you even before the rest of the makeover was done!
Amazing indie make up brands like Lethal, Corazona, Kaleidos, Clionadh or MakeupGeek sell individual eyeshadows with a crazy relation quality/prize ✨ *Amy Loves Makeup* is THE living Encyclopedia🙌🏻. Hope it helps 🧛🏻♀️🖤
A LOT of brands sell singles of black, both matte and sparkly. Pretty easy to find in the U.S., but maybe they're not available in Europe. I have Urban Decay, but there are cheaper brands too. Essence's Pitch Black is $1.99 at Ulta.
Essence actually makes singles which are like 2cm diameter round single colour eyeshadows. I have had a dark purple and chocolate brown for years and they still have some in them, although i'm not sure if they still have that line. I literally never had to buy seconds until this very day so i guess that we will see in the future
I'm so OVER palettes! I don't need ten colours, I just want ONE.
I wore black nail varnish well in to my forties - until it was right in my own life to change. Viva the black!
I was a goth in London. Prior to the goth period I was a huge Theda Bara look fan so when goth became prominent I was very happy. I'm so glad you brought up the comparison. Your jacket was a great find, btw. For the hair we used mousse (you could also get it in different colours) and I used a comb for the back combing. I had a lot of hair and backcombing small areas saved it from going too insane. I'd then hang my head down so that all the hair would flop down and hairspray it to set it, wait for the hairspray to dry before flipping my head upright again. There was a lot of oversized diamonte earrings, etc - chandeliers on our ears! It wasn't until my 40s that I stopped mostly wearing black.
Do you have photos of you in Goth ? if you do ...please upload to your CZcams channel.. I would love to see your photos.🖤💚🙂
I still wear mostly black in my 40’s… meh. Goth is in your heart though I say.
You're so right about the colored mousse for the hair!
Theda gets called "the first Goth", "the OG Goth" etc. in quite a few articles these days.
How often did you have to do your hair? And how long did it take?
My mom was goth. She was a teenager in the 80s, and she loved trad goth and victorian goth styles. Trad goth and goth culture were a part of her life - and of mine - since I can remember. I lost her last year, and this video truly made me think of her and smile. It's such a comfort to see people appreciate things even if they themselves aren't a part of that community, and it's always a joy to see you and other fashion historians dedicate so much time and effort into the preservation of fashion history and the encouragement of others to look into the past and learn about subcultures that are still alive today. Plus, you look so cool as a goth!! Thank you for another wonderful video 💗
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Your moms closet must be a goldmine
My mom was a teenager in the 80s too, and she’s still so young… so sorry for your loss
@@KrisJustus Thank you for your kind words; next week would have been her 48th birthday. I’m so happy when I get to see the things she loved in my daily life, and Karolina’s video brought me a big smile. 💗
I like trad goth for it’s romanticism.
You have the perfect faceshape for this look, the aesthetic suits you so well!
I am five minutes in and it’s making me laugh to have somebody historically trying to re-create what I did every weekend! You can interview many of us now and we will tell you the tricks.
With that being said, you really did a great job. I have those earrings I’ve worn safety pin necklaces. I had a skirt like that, belts like that, a jacket like that. It looks like you shopped in my closet!
And by the way, I will be 60 next week and heading to Cruel World Festival in California in May to see Siouxsie herself. Yes, I will dress the part!
omg a video of Karolina interviewing 80’s goth to ask for a review of her video would be SO entertaining
I love your commitment to time period authenticity rather than watering down old looks by forcing them through a more modern lens. Always makes for really transformative makeovers!
Yes, this! You not only achieved the authentic look, but you did it the authentic way as well! (If you swap online shopping for catching a bus three towns over because you heard a rumour there was one weird little shop that stocked black lippy! 😂)
Agreed! I'd love to see her do more videos for later 20th century styles like this. Super interesting!
THIS. My parents were both goth and punk so as a kid I grew up around the style to see modern looks of the style is fine but I don’t know. Seeing an old school goth done with a genuine appreciation for the past makes me happy. I didn’t think my parents looked stupid then or cringy. I thought they looked super cool 😅 I still think they do.
The polaroids could absolutely be shuffled into a stack of actual 80s polaroids and no one would know it was a recreation! That shirt is perfect and the whole thing comes together wonderfully.
80’s goth here, although we didn’t call it goth here in Amsterdam. We called it new wave. I used soap to set my hair because there just weren’t any good products available back then. Just wet the bar of soap under the tap and work the foam through your hair. Works great! Also, we wore vintage clothes from the fifties and sixties, very feminine in contrast with our black spiked hair!
My dad was a hippie, but he was intrigued by the punk stijl and he once cut a part out of a safety-pin, sanded the sides and put it on his nose. It's a massive safety-pin that's at least 10 cm's long, but he would put it on his nose and walk around like that. I bet he only did it on parties though, but he still has it and whenever punk is mentioned, he gets it out and puts it back on his nose, to remind everyone he has it xD
Oh man, I wish I'd thought of soap! so much easier!
During my "I'm broke but also goth" phase in my early 20s, I used baby powder for whitening the face, because it was much cheaper than make-up. Stained like hell after layer 2, but on the bright side, you had really soft skin afterwards :D
hey thats smart !
Late 80's Early 90's goth here to report I wore my moussed and aqua netted hair for 3-4 days at a time. As the style fell apart you could mash it into a spooky updo or shove most of it under an appropriate hat. My friends and I all just used the lightest foundation and loose powder you could find at the drugstore and called it good. You used a lighter to melt the black eyeliner for better application. We didn't have the counter culture shopping options available now so thrifting for black vintage party dresses and sharkskin suit coats to cover in pins and wear over band tshirts was our trend. If you had a little money to spend you could go downtown (Seattle, WA!) to Retro Viva for stylish clothes and Manic Panic hair dye or John Fluevog for exotic pointy toed custom shoes. If you were feeling rich AND bold you could go to the smex shop with the clothing boutique upstairs featuring everything pleather, patent, lace, and leather. Such a fun time for fashion!
Mousse and Aquanet equaled helmet hair. It was going nowhere.😆We melted the pencil eyeliner too. We really didn't do the pale not did black lipstick exist. Never saw it. I just went with my skin tone and darker in the summer. Guess local areas did their own thing. Used more eyeliner but not all black eyeshadow. More brown eyeshadow and lipstick I recall. A blow dryer did make my hair stand up while using hair spray. Crimped first with a spritz of hair spray. My version of a Mohawk took 2 hours to do. Heels of some kind. Adult bóok stores had the spiked jewelry and other unique things to accessorize. The mall did have fishnet stockings.Chains for belts. Hardware store. I had some color. Maybe 50 percent. A few leather skirts on clearance in my size. Score.
@@JNoMooreNumbers Oh yes, the kohl black hard eyeliner pencil. Hence the nickname "sty liner" lol I remember drying my hair while basically standing on my head and spraying it in that position. OMG, the spiked dog collar!!! lol
@@JNoMooreNumbers We used eyeliner for everything, including the lips
Oh yeah the lighter on black eyeliner !! I learned to do eyeliner from my niece (we're the same age) who was a goth in the early 2000s and I had forgotten that trick. Black eyeliner is still the only type of makeup I manage and feel comfortable wearing btw ^^
OH SHIT I FORGOT ABOUT THE MOUSSE!!! Oh man, I used SOOOO much mousse. I was basically 5/8ths mousse by volume at any given time in the 80s.
You don't understand how happy I am this is my standard look 🦇🦇🦇
Also for anyone who may be nervous about trying the makeup: it's very forgiving. You could look really 'untidy' and still look cool! Rolling out of bed, onto the ground but in a fashionable way.
You nailed the final look I love it x
You might say looking dishevelled is part of the charm.
For real, yesterday's eyeliner is a valid look! I'm glad we have makeup wipes now to tidy it up just a touch.
Ok but as someone who's done their research for almost a decade now and has always been a fan of 80s music and fashion: You actually did your research and your result is very historically accurate. Alot of people wore more makeup than you put on but it looks fantastic. And I love the polaroids so much omg!! Im German so learning about that time in my country & how music influenced it has always faszinated me and I think it's very important to know our history. The 80s community is very much alive (on instagram especially) and I'm so happy more and more people get into it ❤️
IMO German goth/industrial/punk is a different level from just about anywhere else in the world. The style, the DIY, the clubs, the bands-all of it is the same but turned up to 11.
i live in leipzig and seeing people of all ages in their very diverse types of goth every year definitely shaped me as a person. people come from all over germany and even from other countries and their outfits are always so elaborate! every year i dress myself in the morning thinking "is this too much?" then getting there and being like "definitely not"
You absolutely nailed this!! I love how genuine and respectful you are in your interest in goth subculture and looks. I do really appreciate your juxtaposed comparison of 1980s Poland to 1980s England as well; I think it can be so easy to slip into thinking that the timing was eras apart. This video is one of my faves for sure!
Doing this in your vintage styled apartment is perfect, like a genuine 80s punk, living in their parents 50s or 60s era home with old hand-me-down furniture.
I’ve been in the subculture for ~10 years, and if I saw someone wearing your look at the goth club I’d absolutely be in awe. Thank you for doing your research and actually being respectful towards the culture! Given how often we’re stereotyped and just put in boxes, this is extremely rare, and we love you for it. The make-up looks *so* good on you!
As a current insider, maybe you know what brand the white face powder she used is? Or can recommend some others? I was there for the original goth but I'm not up on the new and improved make-up options. Thanks so much and good on you for keeping this culture alive!
@@sarahrosen4985 no idea, I’m sorry, I don’t use make-up myself. :/
@@pavladavlas thanks for answering 🖤❤🖤❤🖤
@@sarahrosen4985 I'm not sure what she used but I know that most of the Goths in my circle of friends use Manic Panic's "Virgin White" powder. Sometimes it's labeled as "Vampyre's Veil" white pressed powder. I came into the scene over a decade ago now and that's the one most of my friends have always swore by. It's a bit expensive but from what I've seen it holds pretty well. Hope this helps.
That's amazing! We entered into the scene around the same time! What a time that was! I think the Gothic Charm School book was just released at the time and VampireFreaks (when it was still a social media site) was all the rage. Many fond memories of that time. It's great to encounter someone else from the same wave!
Siouxsie Sioux is pronounced “Susie Sue” just so you know:) it’s like the Native American indigenous Sioux nation^^ btw you totally pull off the look! Haha it’s surreal to see you in more modern fashion but it’s also really cool!
I was scrolling the comments, wondering why no one was mentioning this. Thank you 😅
Karolina putting safety pins on a necklace reminded me of my friends in high school and middle school in the 90s putting tabs from cans of soda on necklaces by the multitudes.
As a dedicated fan of yours and an “elder goth” (aka once a youthful post punk obsessed human) I will tell you no, we did not do our hair every day to get that look. We were dirty af. We let our hair get dirty dirty dirty! The dirtier the hair, the higher it stood. (Though I was a child in the 80’s…. Loads of us 90’s goths we’re obsessed with The Cure and Siouxie’s look and still are.)
Kind of like for historical costume, dirty hair is just more manageable
I know I remember it got better the dirtier it got 😂 tease it to the SKY
Fellow 90s goth here and YES! Little bit of dirt in the hair kept the style in place.
I rarely teased my hair, but my bob looked better when it was dirty.
I remember tying up my hair into tons of tiny plaits to set the crimp before teasing it, I hated dirty hair and was too poor to own a crimping iron.
Omg, the crossover I never expected but SO highly appreciated!!! It's amazing to see someone who actually understands fashion analysis (??) do this, rather than someone just putting on all-black everything and calling it goth. This had such great research of the individual elements of the style and you did a WONDERFUL job, the end result looks really authentic and truly reads as trad goth, not just someone who threw on black lipstick and fishnets. A delight from start to finish!
100% agree, much better researched than several so-called goth youtubers out there tbh
Yes, also memento mori
Yes agree and I'd love to see any other subculture fashion if it's done this way.
@@waterdragon3367 Memento mori, friend 💀
I think you really nailed the look and Noone in a goth club would bat an eye at you. The best goth makeover I've seen probably because you did actual research and were able to identify that there are different styles of goth and just honed in on a specific Era.
So many normies making "goth" transformations without truly understanding what goth is... makes this such a breath of fresh air! You really did fantastic and honestly I love the look on you, Karolina!
"NORMIES" LMAAAOOO
I loved this video so much, especially the background about Poland in the 80s...So much of social media is dominated by the US/UK and it's so refreshing to have different perspectives....Also because I'm old AF it's hard to hear about eras I lived through as "historic" periods, but they were. I'm that person that watches stranger things and yellowjackets and gets very salty about the fashions/hairstyles etc. Re: female goths being able to afford authentic victorian jewelry. That kind of jewelry was readily available in thrift stores/flea markets in that era. Places like New York that actually had vintage stores would be expensive, but if you lived in the midwest you could get old clothes and jewelry pretty cheap. I had a friend who was super into it and she still collects Victorian jewelry to this day.
The affordability of Midwest secondhand imo still applies today. I tend to visit my grandparents in Ohio and I’ve grabbed so much for super cheap prices, also antique stores in New England are surprisingly super cheap too. But the authentic Victorian jewelry at antique shows in Ohio are unfortunately very expensive.
wow so interesting, thank you for this !
@@Raggedyfink I think fine jewelry like jet or diamonds would have been very expensive even in the 80s in the midwest, but certainly nice costume jewelry from the era could be had and there weren't a lot of reproductions at the time.
@@cinemaocd1752 I was last year at an antique fair in Burton, Ohio and one of the things I saw was antique mourning jewelry where the chain was made out of hair, which I already knew was a common thing to do back then but using hair as chain is definitely a pretty inventive work of art that I never saw up close before.
@@Raggedyfink As someone from northern New England I can tell you antique stores up there are cheap because they're everywhere. Can't find what you're looking for in one? It'll be in the one down the street and around the corner.
As a properly 80's trad goth lover, HUGE The Cure fan and a time traveller... This is the finest gold✨✨
You observe correctly the similarities between "mainstream" fashion and goth/post-punk fashion in terms of hair and makeup. But as someone who was there and wore it, I think honestly that the subculture hair and makeup were not "extreme" versions of the mainstream - rather it was the other way round. When punk crossed into mainstream looks it changed EVERYTHING. I can now look back and realise that there were precursors to what we thought was new and radical in the 80s, in the early 70s and even 60s, but at the time, there was a very strong element of street style being picked up and packaged for wider wear. Think Zandra Rhodes, designer to the wealthy, adding safety pins to her haute couture. Magazines made their wares look cool and up to date by adding big hair, strong makeup. It was the opposite of the Devil Wears Prada "cerulean" speech, really.
Karolina looks so good in 80s goth makeup omg…. I swear she can do any decade
I was in high school from 1978 till 1982. I remember: Wearing two different colored eyeshadow combos on each eye; literally wearing safety pins in my earlobes; spike heels with skinny designer jeans; lots of blush-on; lots of lip gloss; thick eyebrows; pairing my mom's 1940s wraparound black crepe skirt with a dacron fire-red cap-sleeved button-up top and a leather jacket. And feathered hair. I refused to tease my hair because it's so fine, though I did slick it back with K-Y jelly (works great, lol). Also my last name alone puts me in the Goth category.
That sounds like an amazing style!!
You weren't a Goth, that's not Goth
I was in High School from 1979 to 1983
@@TheCatLady65 uh oh, the goth police is here
@@TheCatLady65 actually, we didn't call 'em Goths back then, although that is the first syllable of my surname, so I *did* hear that now and again. On the east side of Detroit,MI, however, it was still Punk or New Wave. But, you know, what*evah*. 🙃
@@bowenarrows7819 oooh, goth Police...that might be an interesting sound, lol!
Watching a fashion historian study the style of clothes I wore in high school makes me feel old in a way I never experienced before
As a Trad Goth DJ: This is so well researched 😍 You mentioned the Bands as well, I am blessed
As someone who grew up in the 80’s, the crappy black lipstick is absolutely true to the era. We used to cover our lips with eyeliner first. (Sometimes red for an especially blech look.) Also the “white” foundation was always just the palest one available. Mine was made by Innoxa in the shade “Pink Blossom.” Since I have warm-toned, fair-medium skin, you can imagine how great that looked.
I actually think you rock this hairstyle, honestly I think the 80s hairstyles are pretty cool. The look altogether is just incredibly stunning.
Right! Like even before she teased it, the crimped style with the short hair actually really suited her
@@CheerUp2 agreed :D
@@CheerUp2 she should try finger waves for an 1920s look
I just watched this video with my 13-year-old. As a GenXer who was a teen in the 80s and know how we did our hair. I am impressed with your effort and the result.
On the other hand, I was yelling at the screen, "She's doing it all backwards and wrong!" But I understand because you weren't there to do it in the 80s!
First, makeup, because if you mess it up and it gets on your hair, you can brush it out. But if you do hair first then makeup, you'll have a hard time fixing it without messing up the hair. You can always fix the makeup after you do your hair.
Also, gel AND hair spray before you start crimping. It helps the hair crimp and stay in place better.
Other than that, great effort! It made me want to demo how it was done with my kid.
As someone who lived goth/punk in the 80s onwards. You did a fantastic job. Things were very homemade. We would need to catch the bus into Manchester, took over an hour, to get to specialist shops. These were expensive, so often it was a signature piece which you worked around.
I was in my teens-early 20s during the 1980s in the US, and the goth/punk scene here was very much about taking things that you could find in secondhand stores, with your parents' or grandparents' clothing, remixed in a way that suited the new style. So all the costume jewelry you saw on goth/punk women generally was either from cheap secondhand stores, or more likely, stolen from their moms' or grandmothers' jewelry boxes and just piled on.
Also for the hair...all the girls in my high school used Aqua Net hairspray, which was basically like cement, and the guys and girls with mowhawks often used Elmer's white glue to keep the spikes up.
I did my hair with a crimper every two to three days in the evening, after a shower. In the morning, I loaded it up with mousse, touched up with the crimper, and set it with Extra Super Hold Aqua Net Hairspray (the pink & white can, baby!!). I backcombed with a teasing comb. Getting ready to go anywhere took me at least an hour and a half and was exhausting. Anyone who claimed their makeup only took 5 minutes in the ‘80s was lying, or they weren’t doing it properly.
@@TheMetatronGirl Aquanet=great cement. Used the Pink can mostly, blue in a rush. For the sides you didn't pin it though, what you did was hold the side flat against the head, spray Aquanet and then set it with the hair dryer. Then back comb the top over it. I look back at some of the photos and just go, "WHY did we think that was cool"? Gluing our hair into place. LOL.
Great effort for a later goth style, if you want to go earlier you gotta do the blush....think pink contouring and you've got it. LOL.
@@xingcat Yes, Aqua net and Elmer's glue. Also, avoiding sun, around here, was usually enough to make you Goth pale. We never used clown white, cuz except for of baby powder, we literally didn't have it. But if you needed or wanted a pale foundation, the color Porcelain was fabulous. I can't remember if it was Maybelline or Cover Girl. Plus, actual white make-up was too white, and you'd get teased for it.
@@michellecornum5856 I always just used baby powder as my face powder as the porcelain was my actual skin tone. Kept all the oil at bay and gave me a nice matte finish.
I usually shudder when anyone outside the subculture does a goth look but you nailed it and treated us with enough respect to do a serious effort in research! You ended up looking a lot like Anne-Marie Hurst (Skeletal Family and Ghost Dance). Other goth female artists from that time to look at for style inspo besides Siouxsie Sioux and Anne-Marie Hurst are Patricia Morrison and every band member from Xmal Deutschland.
And you're 100% correct, back then goths weren't into big combat boots, that integrated into the subculture in the 90s (as did the historically inspired wear for the most part, which in the 90s was more medieval/renaissance than Victorian in inspiration). The trend before combat boots was pointy shoes to give off a spooky vibe. Chelsea boots were common, but the REALLY cool kids wore winklepickers.
In the 80s goth wasn't fully formed yet and there were a lot of commonalities between it and the new romantics, punk, and other contemporary subcultures. There weren't any big dedicated brands so the fashion was all DIY + our still treasured favorite "normal clothes, but in black" that people then gothify with accessories and other staples. That means that any fashion trend of the 80s that could be done in black, goths back then were most likely doing too.
I was not goth (more goth-adjacent), but I treasure the black suede winklepicker boots I bought in London in 1986 with big silver western-style buckles.
Wow I love the look on you. The hair was amazing even though at first you looked liked sideshow Bob from the Simpson’s. The makeup and clothing on point. I knew some goth kids living in the 80s in Montreal Canada.
honestly that is still how i dress like 90% of the time when going out, but i do have to do more combat boots now bc of my bad ankles, but thank goodness for solovairs, they're wonderful if you have hyper mobile ankles like mine. I also absolutely don't understand brands with names all over them and having a price tag of $80+ per item of clothing.
@@langly27 You're hypermobile too? 🥺
If you don't mind me asking, because that was before my time in the goth scene back home, where did the combat boots come from? I know that the goth and industrial communities are really interwined these days, so the industrial scene is my first guess.
Ok but the way that you absolutely crushed this???? You look so amazing, I am in awe. They should be calling you Lucretia because your reflection in those mirrors was INSANE
My goth heart is so happy. Also I didn’t think I could find you cooler but now you do your research and respect the subcultures roots unlike so many people. I hope you fell a little in love with the subculture or at least a part of it, there’s something for everyone here :) you also look really good as a goth too ngl, I incorporate my goth aesthetic into my historical aesthetic all the time in my own way and it meshes better than you’d think!
THE WAY I JUMPED WHEN I SAW THE NOTIFICATION
Same
Uff yes and the thumbnail 😩♥️
Me too. I was like “WHAT”
as a catholic goth who likes vintage fashion, this is the greatest crossover of all time
I want to be friends
-an Orthodox goth
@@OrthodoxMidwife goth gang fr
Honestly with pop, hip hop, trap music and culture being mainstream right now this feels just like a breath of fresh air. I am also noticing that with the resurgence of wednesdays addams now I'm seeing a lot of goth culture finally being recognised. I mean goths... they had it rough especially in the 80's and 90's.
I love how you said "hip hop and trap" while trap itself is a subgenre of the hip hop, meaning how huge the trap genre as a main genre in hip hop music recently
@@mbmd_nation Yes! I know..at least it is very popular in my country (argentina)
Canadian goth here, I can 100% say yeah, it was not fun being a goth back in the 90's. Even the 2000's I got harrassed about my look. ._.
@@Tardisntimbits French goth here, it's the 2020s and I still get harassed.
@@thatbitchnoemie I'm sorry to hear that. I get the usual dirty looks here, but thankfully people (mostly) leave me alone now. I've perfected the miserable scowl and have a bit of age on my side, but I might just be lucky in my city. Don't let them get you down, you live how you feel best!
Love this! As a goth coming into the scene fully mid 90s at university you nailed it! Stargazer was THE makeup - no one cared if anything was even, I wore layers and layers of ripped tights and fishnets as tops and my best outfit was a massive wedding dress skirt with train with a black lace overlay, corset and more fishnet! Loved your mention of Whitby Jet - now I’m older I have quite a collection of Silver and Jet pieces :) And I also wore a lot of glitter!
I gasped when you whipped out that white Powder from Star Gazer! My mother was a goth in the 80s and used the same brand, I even "borrowed" her powder so it made me happy to see it! The style looks great on you and I also really appreciate the bit about what living in Poland looked like in the 80s. Parts of it sounded like Eastern Germany. Wild how such different ways of living existed so close to each other, still boggles my mind.
As a goth, my whole time subbed to you had been leading to this moment and YOU DID SUCH A GOOD JOB!!!
Thanks for doing your research!!!
Right? I can't believe how lucky we are for Karolina uploading such a gem!
Looks like Karolina accidentally found her niche audience. 🙈
SAME!!
Goths United!
I love it when people properly research out subculture, it’s so wonderful :))
Not an OG goth like many in the comments, but the daughter of a Punk pioneer here in Sydney, Australia - you did fantastic work on this transition! I showed my mum, and she thought you had the looks down pat, but definitely not far removed from your own fabulous vintage style. And as a bit of a punk/goth myself, I think you did beautifully!
Fell absolutely in love w this look as soon as the eyeshadow started going on 😍
As a former 80s goth, you did a fantastic job. The teased up hairstyles lasted longer than you might think thanks to Aquanet hairspray, which was used liberally. In terms of makeup a lot of us couldn't afford to buy a lot of makeup so certain things ended up doing more than one job. Myself I would use the palest, cheapest panstick foundation I could find, and then powder over the top with just straight white talcum powder; eyeshadow wise I tended to prefer either purple, burgundy or red & the eyeshadow would often double as your blusher and lipstick as well (cream style eyeshadows or eyeshadow sticks were a bonus, because they did make good lipsticks & then you could just use a powder eyeshadow as blusher). The only item of makeup I ever remotely splurged on was liquid eyeliner, otherwise pretty much everything else was whatever you could find on the cheap. In terms of what I wore fashion wise it ran the gamut from black stirrup pants, frilly pirate shirts, and winkle picker boots, accessorised with brooches, beads, pearls, silver bangles, etc (all thrift shop or cheap store pickups) to 1970s empire line velvet dressed embroided with red roses, to 1960s purple or black lurex mini dresses, leopard or snakeskin print coats, knitted jumpers teamed with thrifted suede or leather skirts and fishnets or lurex tights, or even just basic tight black jeans with a diy screen printed or fabric painted t-shirt or tank top (etc, etc, etc). The 1920s were also definitely an influence in terms of makeup and the overall aesthetic, with the silent film star 'Theda Bara-esque' look but punked up (same with the old Universal Horror movies, or even some 1940s-ish styles).
Forgot the stirrup pants, long shirts and a belt with pumps. Then accessorize and the hair.
@@JNoMooreNumbers You could make almost anything Goth with the right accessories. :D
@@JNoMooreNumbers Even before I went goth, I wore those just in more mainstream colors--our high school wasn't kind to goths. My current wearing at the moment in my 50's pants? are just strirup pants w/o the stirrups! Black of course. The comfort level of those pants has never been topped in my book--there's something about knit pants that if they're done in a decent manner look really put together today at my age. Every now and again I dye my grey hair outrageous colors too just to relive the old days. I'm old enough that I can do what I want now w/o judgment, grins!
@@Knight-of-Sarcasm No one dressed that way til I hit around 20. So none in school then. My old high school is embarrassing now. Way too many can't decide what bathroom to use. I'd homeschool before using the schools there now.
I’ve noticed a lot of 1930s/40s influence in 80s fashion so it’s interesting to see it here. A lot of punk influence too. The massive hair was all 80s!
100 percent NAILED IT! I’m old enough to remember 80s goth and you got the clothes exactly the way the kids did it: thrift and DIY or die! OMG did the crimping iron ever massacre our hair after continued usage! Also, don’t be surprised if early 80s kids raided grandparents stuff that may have been Edwardian or 20s!
As a child of the 80s who wasn't Goth, I still had flashbacks over some of these elements. The earrings. The safety pins. The trying to make my dead straight hair crimp.
80s goth here. I put mousse in my hair before crimping. The hair was hard as hell. Turn head upside down for teasing. Hairspray every step of the way. 🖤
My daughter thin braided her hair at night and then slept on it instead of crimping. The effect was wonderful.
I did that once. Its the only time I looked like I had normal person hair volume!
It used to be a common thing. Crimping irons were invented to imitate it so you don't have to wait ☺️
I used to do the braids in my youngest sister’s hair for her in the 80s. She has lovely straight hair, while the other two of us have frizzy.
Gosh did we go to high school together?
Funnily enough me (an early 2000s kid) did the tiny overnight braids in kindergarden and elementary school to get "princess hair" so I guess goths and princesses were very related in my mind
THIS is what we need to bring back more of, that style is punk, goth, all counter culture personified in an energetic and powerful look that still has some slickness to it, definitely can work with a more formal environment. LOVE it!
there's a girl at my school that wears a mixture of goth and punk and she's so cool 😭 we also have a punk guy here. I do dress alternatively but I really want to start dressing more recognizably punk or gothic buuuut I am too scared to be judged
What are you talking about? There hasn't been a time when young people have been more free to express themselves through fashion than now.
Punk and goth have been back, you just havent noticed
Idk where you’re from, but in the US alternative people have ALWAYS existed.. we haven’t gone anywhere lol
it somehow makes me miss the very early 2003 indie underground, which was raw and rough but also polished and flattering. loved the looks and the music and the scene so much, I still do. I peaked in my personal style when all this got mixed with mod and sixties a little later on. I miss getting all dolled up only to sweat it all away dancing in the club.
Simply, *OH MY GOTH* 🧛🏻♀️🖤🖤🖤
The way she says Siouxsie Sioux - souksie souks! Lol
Also it came out SO fucking good! 👏🏼👏🏼😍
It's my 2nd favorite babysitter from the 1980's! I remember she wore big old baggy sweaters, black leggings, black leg-warmers, pointed toe flats, and a shit-ton of eye make up and hair spray. She was the sweetest person I ever knew while growing up and she had a great sense of humor. I was so disappointed when I was a teenager in the 90's and all the goth kids were more like Lydia Deetz from "Beetlejuice" rather than like my babysitter.
Now I have a lovely mental image for Dar Williams' song The Babysitter's Here!
Hey, former Goth here! This is fantastic! Not only did you nail the look, you also got it right when it comes to not letting the 90s and 2000s Goth look influence your research. Many people (including many proper Goths) tend to forget that, before the 90s when Goth fashion was definitely influenced by Metal, Industrial and BDSM, Goth was actually pretty colourful, imaginative and basically just a lot of fun. Personally I was a Goth in the mid 90s in provincial Argentina and the 80s was my main model, with its thrifty look and yes, a lot of knitwear. Great video, thanks! 🦇
Amazing. I was a 90s goth, but this was very close to the look that led me into goth in the first place. Aspirational.
You definitely nailed the look. I would definitely use Sisters of Mercy videos for much of the female goth look. All my student room mates were goths and in bands and the big hair and back combing was huge, literally and metaphorically. Plus there was never just one goth look, it was very much a homemade look and people made do with what was available
Love the reveal in front of the flowered wallpaper, it’s so 80‘s london. I half expected an old lady to come in with tea and biscuits, asking you where you‘re going and then wishing you a good time at the club 😂
As a goth myself it makes me so happy to see someone actually do the research and try. Alot of goth makeover videos I feel like they treat it like a costume or a joke. So thank you for that. I love seeing the old clips from back then and I like researching the history myself. A big thing I personally love about the clothing and makeup is the androgyny and freedom of expression. For example wearing makeup as a guy in a goth club back then wasn't a big deal, it played and still plays with gender expression. As someone who is exploring their gender identity that has been something I'm drawn to about it. There's also the DIY creative element that is so much fun.
Ultimately within the subculture we are all individuals who have something in common, finding acceptance and a sense of belonging together and from a distance. 🦇🖤🦇
well said ^^
the history of goth and punk fashion is of people who made their own stuff and used cheap makeup so good on you for honoring the tradition!
I think it’s amazing that you can pull off every era. Talent and beauty combined. I kinda live vicariously through you and other yters lol ❤
Tangentially related, but for those interested, there's some really good 80s Polish punk/goth out there! Siekiera and Republika are both considered classic bands in the coldwave scene.
You made my day, thank you! Goth music from Eastern Europe is amazing.
Republika is love, Republika is life. And Obywatel G.C. too, of course. 🖤 🤍🖤
Ahh! This style suits you so well. Also I'm glad so glad you delved into the history of the style rather than just slapping together a stereotypical "idea" of what the goth subculture was. 🖤As always amazing work!
I think this video has brought all the goths together and I love it! You look amazing!
Your reflection when you're putting on the eyeshadow is perfection, very much a 'musician getting ready backstage' photograph vibe
People were absolutely wearing authentic and altered authentic victorian pieces in the 80s, it was just grandma stuff then and it was common to come accross in thrift shops. I'm not quite old enough to remember but I've worked with so many older ladies that have all lamented how many late 18/early 1900s dresses they shredded and repurposes in the 80s.
It definitely hurts my heart when I think about it, especially how many of the Edwardian white dresses got obliterated by the hippies before the goths started thrifting.
@@afreaknamedallie1707 yeah, both of the genx ladies I'm thinking of lamented all the things they destroyed in thier teens and twenties, but it just wasn't a common idea that the stuff was worth saving. But that period between relevance and reverence is the undoing of a lot of history.
It is so interesting to watch a historian try to figure out what I lived. It’s also making me feel old. Though I was in NYC, not London.
For slight paleness, I used cover up makeup that was meant for under eye circles as an all over foundation. Crimping irons were uncommon when it first started, so we would put our hair in tiny braids while still damp at night. It took lots of aquanet to keep the hair standing up. My favorite shade of lipstick was deep fuchsia.
DIY was a big thing. Most of the clothing and jewelry was altered thrift store finds and grandpa hand-me-downs. Safety pins were used very extensively. We would dye the pastel sweaters.
You really nailed the look.
As a goth who loves the 80s asthetic and also goes vintage sometimes, THIS IS AWESOME! also appreciate the history lessons!
Good job Karolina. I always remember during 80s goth woman Patricia Morrison, bass guitarist of Sisters of Mercy.
As a British goth I approve of this. You needed like an entire can of hairspray though, and heat. A friend did my hair in twin mohawks when it was around 12 inches long and managed to get it sticking up solid.
As soon as the you said "should I spray it upside down?" I literally screamed YES!!!
God I miss the 80's
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same here. can still smell the aquanet.
Beautiful 🦇! Make a romantic goth look!!!
This is such a gorgeous look! The fact that you watched a Black Friday tutorial warms my little black heart even more 🖤 Now I'm off to make a safety pin necklace
I was working in one of the big university libraries in the U.K. that had a large population of European masters students that I spent a lot of time chatting with. The experiences they had growing up in the countries gradually escaping the soviet block were utterly beyond my comprehension. I had grown up poor in the U.K. in the eighties. But these girls were super proud of their two tubes of lipstick, one of which was second hand. I had had a lipstick as a teenager and only ever wore it occasionally as I wasn’t much interested and didn’t really have the money to get interested. For them it was about aspirations. Even if they could scrape the money there wasn’t the product to buy, and you certainly wouldn’t get a choice in colour. If I could scrape the money and cared to spend it on makeup I could have bought anything I wanted.. It was a different world. I’m really glad to see you explain so eloquently in this video karolina.
And in support of another commenters suggestion, please do the dating old photographs game that geowizard recently tried. Repeating the request in the hopes you see one of them.
I know, poor as we could get in the UK, we were never as bad as Eastern Europe. I was poor, but at least we could get things if we saved long enough
I was a punkrock in the eighties, but it was similar. Those big hairs... I think you did really well! A tip for the hair: We used soap (dry soap with a tiny bit of watet) before crimping it. Then backcombing and hairspray!
You really got the look! It's so refreshing to see someone do the research and actually make an effort. I've been a Goth for over a decade now and over the years I've seen countless "throw on some costume vampire clothes and heavy makeup" type of "Goth Makeover" videos. I have friends who were there in the 80's and 90's who've all said that most of their clothes came from the thrift store and were DIY pieces so it was nice to see you go there too. Loved every minute of this video. You'd almost definitely fit in at some of the Goth nights that go on in my area. We have some Trad Goths in our little social group that look very similar to how you did in this video. Again, great job!
I think and remember back then 80s and 90s they called us mostly punks, new wavers, alternatives, some death rockers, etc. Goth term was used too sometimes. There was a lot of crossover too. My gf (now wife) was more of the goth punk. I was more of the new wave punk. But, same type of style and music very similar. All came from punk influences and cultures. Post-punk. But she and I listened to all kinds of other music too growing up. Same for our kids. Just as you do.
This is exactly what we needed. A lesson in the 80s goth subculture and a transformation? My goth heart sings 🖤🥀
This gave me such visceral flashbacks to my youth and I love it. (Of note I was a 90s goth raised by 80s goths, so it's not like I am authentic to the era since I was too young to really partake in the first wave as much as my mom just imparted her knowledge and habits on to me until I developed my own).
Some funny things to note, black lipstick was often black eyeliner since that was cheap and available year round. I still love me black lipliner with bright red lipstick because of it, and love it even more because it doesn't taste funny now that they actually make black lipliners year round. Baby powder on top of the lightest foundation you could get at the drugstore was really common, but my mom also bought us both copious amounts of Mehron makeup because it came in our skin tone (we weren't going for colorless white as much as just trying to find a shade match for our already pasty complexions that wasn't super expensive and prone to oxidizing).
I can also thank my mom being an 80s goth for my love of vintage fashion and thrifting because her and her friends used to take baby bat me back in the day to go thrifting with them and my little magpie brain loved digging through all the racks to find things. Back then, 40s clothes were really common to find, and I have no doubt that influenced my direction after my 90s-00s "romantic" goth era, because I find myself more and more settling into the 40s style as my current base to my goth wardrobe.
Oh and as for hair teasing, basically you teased the hell out of it and then did maintenance on fluffing up the bits that crumpled from sleeping throughout the week from what I remember. I think my mom brushed her hair out on Wednesdays and washed it - though maybe it was every other Wednesday - until she got tired of the full head of hair and gave herself a mohawk that she also teased the hell out of. She still has a mohawk but now she just dyes it whatever color she's in the mood for and leaves it kind of "unstyled" because teasing it "is a complete pain in the ass, and I'm not here to impress anyone".
omg that sounds fantastic, i love the way your mom influenced your style!!
There's nothing quite as delightful as the contrast between a 1940s librarian opening packages full of trad goth stuff.
i am an absolute baby as far as goth goes but ive been dressing goth/adjacent since i was like 14? Black Friday was also a huge mentor for me. This video made me so happy!! This is the first transformation ive seen that actually cares about the culture and style ty for doing the elder goths justice lol, 80s trad is my fav should've known Karolina would never let me down
also i wanna cut all my hair off after watching this so i can do poofy styles again :')