Trope Talk: Post Apocalypses
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- čas přidán 31. 01. 2019
- We've talked about saving the world. We've talked about how ending the world in-story is really hard. Well today let's talk about what happens when you DO end the world! Spoiler alert: it's generally not a good time.
It felt WEIRD using Pacific Rim as actual example clips rather than metaphorical representations of the comment section. Play nice, everybody.
What's your favorite post-apocalypse story, and what's one thing you would keep from EVER appearing in a post-apocalypse again if you had the power?
EXAMPLES: World War Z, The Walking Dead (Telltale), The Walking Dead, The Last Of Us, Fallout 4, The Iron Giant, Mad Max: Fury Road, There Will Come Soft Rains (comic), The Matrix, Terminator, I Am Legend, Avengers: Age of Ultron, Independence Day, Berserk, A Quiet Place, Pacific Rim, Stand Still Stay Silent (webcomic, link: sssscomic.com/comic.php?page=1), Devilman Crybaby, Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind, Laputa: Castle in the Sky, 28 Days Later, I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream (comic), The Animatrix, I Am Legend (alternate ending)
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Red: “The pandemic apocalypse doesn’t really happen much these days"
that's called foreshadowing
So true!!!
And just like that, the Red Flag was raised...how fitting.
I laughed out loud when she said that.
Watching this again in 2021 and looking for this comment
@@metalmaster4686 never thought osp audience can stay ignorant and uninformed
I love how Ultron is on the internet for 5 minutes and decides to kill everyone
Aira Cummins maybe he saw Deviantart
He saw Tumblr
He read all of Twitter.
Seems perfectly plausible to me.
@@awesomery4596 he would plan to kill himself or delete his own memory after killing everyone if he saw Deviantart...
2:47 "they're a variant of the pandemic apocalypse which, on its own, doesn't get as much airplay these days"
this line aged like MILK
And a year later from this, ‘please dear god don’t do a nuclear apocalypse’ is waaaay too close right now.
It's like an episode of the Simpsons
@@hilarymajor3983 so what will we have in another two years? Zombies, Aliens, Robots or Supernatural?
I would personally prefer the Aliens
@@felixw19 please aliens, we honestly wouldn't be phased at this point if you just hovered above the White House. Lol
Also, we could use some medical tech and enforced peace.
It aged like store-bought raspberries that you forget were in the fridge.
I feel kind of like how the disaster movie genre decreased in interest post 9/11, parasite/zombie apocalypses will probably become old news because of covid. People tend to get tired of grim situations a lot quicker when they just lived them.
I was watching Sweet Tooth (2021), a netflix post apocalypse show , and noticed the tone was SIGNIFICANTLY lighter than the original comic. I think its gonna be interesting in general the COVID cinema coming out soon
Well, we might also get more comedy-focused apocalypse-ish scenarios because the things people tend to worry about in our current plague scenario tend to fall more to the "Okay, can I meet up with the local queer club next week", "Can people stop hoarding toilet paper" and "Oh, great, the government takes other measures that may or may not be mostly for show because taking actual drastic measures that'd actually change anything would be both bad for the economy and possibly bad for their reelectability".
(Note: not saying that covid is harmless, it's really, really dangerous if you're old and/or have preexisting conditions, or that all attempts to slow down the spread are somehow bad or that at least a fair number of our current restrictions aren't justified, but it is noticeable what politicians are or aren't willing to do and pay for to stop the spread and your daily concerns tend to be less "Am I or a friend going to die" (though that does tend to crop up from time to time especially with elderly relatives) and more "Fuck, I missed the memo on the latest change in guidelines".)
I hear war shooters don’t sell very well in countries with an actual war going on.
@@teaartist6455 I feel like The Last Man on Earth was like that. They touch on the realities of the post-apocalypse, gas goes bad, they run out of tinned food, but for the most part it's just a very light show where the apocalypse is just a fun setting.
Been there, done that, got depressed. . . . and it was soooooo boring!!!!
Ghibli summarized in 7 words
War bad, nature good, flying machines great
It's settled; we need to bring back airships
fuck it this is my new philosophy
I think he likes flying machines so much, because of the important role they played under the war from japan.
they after all did manged to hit Pearl Harbor.
Might sound far fetched, but its only natural you come to inherit you countries nostalgia on such things, the WW2 influence is already strong in the rest of the work.
similar connections can be found in other works by other authors, I find it a bit funny once i manged to spot such connections in art.
Relly look long enoug and you wil find it in any art piece, because Humans are simple creatures driven by simple things, we want to act and look like we complicated and imposible deep, but we not.
Hodge Podge , check our some of the designs for LTA (Lighter than Air) craft with intent to provide cargo service in places like the Himalayas, and other equally difficult to access areas by other means.
Because Ghibli movie ˆˆ
Red: “The pandemic apocalypse doesn’t really happen much these days.”
Coronavirus:
Coronavirus: :^
she was a year early
If there is a bright side to the Corona Virus, at least the survivors will have a new muse for this sort of fiction.
*Coughs horrendously*
Does this mean that Adventure Time counts as a Ghibli-like apocalypse? People live lives of varying simplicity and in varying states of synch with nature, the remnants of old superweapons are still out there and still a major threat (or wielded by an antagonist) and has the general message of "war is bad" behind it.
While we're on the subject I think adventure time had one of the scariest mutated humans, they never truly died after the apocalypse even after a millennium and they carry acid. And from the flashbacks with Marcy and Simon you can really tell they were a serious threat at the earlier stages of the apocalypse and most likely eliminated any traces of non magical humans left in Oo. The fact they could be buried anywhere just waiting for a loud enough noise for them to resurface would seriously keep me on my toes
does this mean 2018 she-ra also counts as a post post apocalypse? it’s set 1000 years after the super cool ancient civilization got destroyed, so that gives it plenty of time to recover and be more in line with nature
@@wren_. There's a lost civilisation sure, but there's also A HORDE OF PURE EVIL ACTIVELY MAKING THINGS MORE APOCALYPTICAL
I was looking for someone bringing up Adventure Time. It’s such a unique post-apocalypse because of how deeply ingrained the power derived from the apocalyptic event is into the magic system of the whole universe. The same power that caused the human race to nearly die out and warped everything else into writhing zombie creatures is what makes princess bubblegum shoot jelly beans from her hands. If you take out the mushroom bomb, you don’t get the fun magical adventures. Sort of a “look on the bright side” message.
@@herothecrow994The Bubblegum example is kinda wrong, since she’s an elemental and they have existed since the dawn of life on Earth, but yeah the Mushroom War + Catalyst Comet really did a number on the world
One thing I love about Critical Role is that at first it seems to be set in a typical fantasy setting, but the longer the story goes on the more clear it becomes that it's actually a post-post-apocalyptic world, as we keep seeing areas ravaged by nuclear-like long-lasting magics and ruins with ancient forgotten technology. And then we go back in time with the EXU:Calamity sidestory to the time before the apocalypse and are really confronted with everything that was lost, long before the main story had even begun, and it really shines a new light on everything.
KInda reminds me of the blood elf starting zone in WOW. Yeah everything's basically proceeding as normal except for the charred swath of land full of murderous wraiths and zombies
Sounds a lot like adventure time, where a nuclear war allowed magic to return to earth and turned the planet into Ooo
There's a couple neat anime that play with this too. Log Horizon, I'm Quitting Heroing and Lost Song.
And then Matt Mercer goes and does it AGAIN.
Probably.
Brennan was SO good as the DM. His portrayal of Mr XYZ (no spoilers, if you haven't seen it go see it) is fantastic. The smaller episode count (like 4 or 5 iirc) made it more cinematic and concise with its story. Absolutely loved it.
"Pandemic apocalypse, which on is own doesn't as much airplay these days"
You jinxed us, Red.
So did my English syllabus. We studied "I Am Legend" (the Will Smith movie) in class at the start of the year, then swiftly went into quarantine. Now, we are studying a graphic novel version of "To Kill a Mockingbird" and the Black Lives Matter movement quickly gained an increased amount of attention shortly after we received it. I guess I’ll tell you what’s coming when I get the next text. I hope it isn’t “Z for Zachariah” or some shit like that. At least I can write a context of reception essay, so… yay?
Edit: The next text is "Tuesdays with Morrie
", so we all either learn the meaning of life or get ALS. If nothing happens in real life that I can relate to this text, I will also be very dissapointed.
Congratulations you are now in control of not jinxings us don’t screw up
Haha that's what I was going to say
@@clinton8421 well, I recently logicked my way out of most of my compulsive behavior caused by depression due to finding peace in my existence in the context of a continuation of events that began with the big bang and will continue after I'm gone, defining my birth and death as merely the endpoints of a span of time in which I, an aware accumulation of matter and energy that existed before I did and will exist afterward, have a continuous series of memories and experiences. Asking for the meaning of life is like asking for the meaning of rock, or the meaning of hot, or the meaning of tree. Life is because it is, and we just happen to be aware of ourselves. It's pretty nice, actually. We're special because we exist, not the other way around. So thanks for your teacher picking a good text to follow up the other two.
I was just gonna say.
HOLY FRICK, I JUST REALIZED!!!!!
HORIZON: ZERO DAWN IS A GHIBLI APOCALYPSE!!!!
I was looking for this comment. It is such an amazing game.
It is a combination of a few of them. The Faro robots does lean into the robot apocalypse with how the robots could absorb bio-matter and convert it into fuel. Not to mention that one of the 3 robots can easily make the other 2 while another one could hack into other robots and control them. Faro's hubris over his perfect death machines ultimately turned into guilt. And as a response he intentionally destroyed Apollo (and killed all of the other Alpha's) since he didn't want the humans that would come after Gaia restored Earth to repeat the same mistakes as he did.
At the same time, it plays into the Alien apocalypse (or in general, the unknown apocalypse), as the trigger for the Faro robots going rogue is completely unknown. One theory is that it was the same signal that would later turn Hades and the other subroutine systems of Gaia into fully functional AI's. And it does play into the Ghibli Apocalypse with how Hades, with help from Sylens plays into the shadow Carja's lust for revenge (even presenting himself as one of he Carja's Gods). Allowing the AI to reactive the Faro robots under the guise of helping the Shadow Carja reclaim their lands.
And then you got Hephaestus, who upon becoming an AI saw how the new humans were hunting down what "he" considered to be his "children". This desire to protect his "children" lead the AI to create countermeasures to try and make humans stop hunting down his "children". Such as creating the watchers, or attaching weapons to several robots. However despite this, humans continued to hunt down the machines. So Hephaestus takes over Cyan, a different and "inferior" AI and uses "her" facility to create robots that can be programmed to go out and kill humans intentionally. Since the Cauldrons that Hephaestus did manage to hack into prevented "him" from creating robots that were programmed to intentionally hunt down humans. Hephaestus is really just an overprotective father driven to extreme measures. Honestly I do hope we see more of Hephaestus in the sequel and see that overprotective father angle further explored.
@@jordanread5829 i can honestly say horizon zero dawn amd god of war would be worth the ps5 alone
The sequel can't come soon enough
Yeah and it make us want it more. Just like Ghibli movies.
it took me legit 10 minuets to realise "its the end of the world as we know was playing in the background" aha
Me too!!!
I CAME TO THE COMMENTS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT SONG IT WAS THANK U
It took me 6 replays and then looking to the comments to see
Lmao same
Do you feel fine?
The image at 3:43 is hilarious.
"Truly *man* is the greatest monster - stop eating me. Stop. Bad corpse. I'm trying to deliver an aesop. No, dude, I need that arm!"
I remember looking at a tumblr post about writing on a wall in a video game which was like "we are the real monsters" "You are a real moron" "have you been bitten?" "Maybe you are" and finally "God I missed the internet"
I must admit, the whole "technology bad" message really grinds my gears - especially when its being told to me in a high budget CGI film made by people from all over the world, who thanks to medical advancements have never had to worry about dying from a papercut and can reasonably expect to live till eighty.
I don't think that famous or successful people fully agree with or care about the propaganda/messages they create. I also think in some cases they lie to acquire some kind of support or audience.
I cannot often give my full view points in person to people that I will see again cause I worry about their perception of me and how it could affect me professionally. Its not that I see my view points as inherently bad, I just accept the possibility that others could. For instance I am a nihilist and most of my family still doesn't know and even though its not supposed to be a reason not to hire me... come on lets be honest... a super religious person out to hire isn't gonna pick me even if I am the best choice, I assume they want to live a life that maximizes their odds of getting to their favored after life. Even if the person is casually religious, I have what to them is an unfavorable attribute, it will work against me regardless of legislation... that's just the subconscious doing its thing at the very least. Thus since I am often dishonest of my view points it only stands to reason that people it makes a much bigger difference for would as well, particularly if they are super unpopular.
Another thing is people who embody the culmination of their demographic or political belief isn't common. Usually people will agree with an idea 70-95% of the way. Enough to support something but they aren't just agreeing with everything they are told. Yet it always seems that famous people/people whose success hinges on being liked seldom diverge in many details from main ideals and when they do it always goes badly for them being mass shamed at the very least. So it stands to reason famous people have more divergent views from given ideals but keep them secret and also say they agree with details that they don't.
Then there is the point you brought up, these people constantly put out messages that contradict the lives they live. Well a certain percentage of it is likely pandering, some is likely isn't earnest, and the only reason it was made at all is because a little bit of the message is something they care about. As long as the little bit that truly matters gets out, they are willing to pander and lie.
Read/watch Dr. Stone, the entire message is that the accumulation and application of humanity's sum total knowledge is what is truly needed for it to thrive and make the world better. Science is literally the story's "power system" and there's generally few hiccups with the actual applicable science (like mislabeling what gunpowder is in the early arc that was instead a more primitive black explosive powder that made gunpowder). Plus one character is a HYPER buff old man who's basically the party's dwarf blacksmith and I love it!
With regard to Ghibli films, I don't think that that's really the message. It's an easy one to take away from them because Nausica and Castle In The Sky both feature advanced civilizations that were ultimately destroyed by technology they created, but note that they do NOT feature protagonists who shun technology, nor dire consequences for using technology. In fact, the protagonists in both of these movies regularly make use of advanced technology and have no issue making use of airships, trains, tanks, Ect. There are three main things that are painted as "bad" and are all characteristics of the antagonists of these movies and probably of the ancient empires that caused these apocalypses:
1) Militarism
2) Distancing themselves from nature (this is represented both in Nausica as their desire to destroy the jungle, and in Castle In The Sky as Laputa literally distancing themselves from the earth in a fairly clear metaphor)
3) Superweapons.
Regular weapons are treated as completely acceptable, including very powerful ones like Goliath, the massive flying battleship (or destroyer apparently, which must mean a battleship is utterly terrifying) that the villain makes use of. And yes, I know Goliath is a bad guy vehicle, but personally, the way I saw it, the ship wasn't a metaphor for anything, it was just something cool, and ultimately the ship and it's crew are victims in the story, characters not inherently evil caught up in the main antagonists ambitions. Non-superweapon technologies also seem to be totally fine. The only technologies that ever seem to have dire consequences for their use are the overt superweapons.
Overall, the message of the Ghibli films is not "technology bad", it's "Nature good, war bad".
The message isn't 'technology bad' though
And then you get the Post Apocalyptic Dr. Stone manga, which has the opposite message, that science and technology are good and are the key to undoing the apocalypse by bringing the petrified humanity back.
I feel like Shaun of the Dead is ironically one of the most realistic zombie movies
Absolutely.
Just saw it the other night and that’s so accurate
Yeah, I agree.
Ultimately I think the military would fare far better than any band of survivors and a zombie situation. They had that part right.
@@Monsuco man, that definitely depends on the military. A marine would a get a sore. And hide it. And infect everyone
"They almost all happen in an already well-established universe that a writer is seriously unlikely to actually let get destroyed"
Araki: *Observe*
Made in Heaven
Well the world that it becomes is actually the good ending and is happy
Honestly I like how it’s framed as less of an end of the world and moreso a fresh start for the characters. Still it’s very unclear what exactly *is* different aside from the main cast of the part. Like are the Rohan stories in this universe or are they outright non-canon. Either way it’s a bittersweet send off.
@@Ganmorg I thought the Rohan stories took place during the period in between part 4-6
Which also happened at the very end of the original continuity and ended with a timeline where almost everything is better than in the original, except the villain never existed and the protagonists besides Emporio have no memories of the adventure at all (yet have still been bound by fate to meet regardless).
It’s the exception that proves the rule, the end of the story where the status quo is allowed to permanently change because any and all remaining exploration is done anyway. It’s also not the only story I’ve seen where the status quo massively changes in the endgame in an apocalyptic fashion.
(I say “almost” because no Whitesnake means Foo Fighters never actually gained independence or a character arc that made her/them my favorite character in the entire series. Rest in temporal peace, you sweet, sweet plankton stand.)
The way breath of the wild used this trope was really cool. We get to see how the people of Hyrule recovered and rebuild after the events that took place one hundred years before link wakes up in the shrine of resurrection.
Love the violin “it’s the end of the world as we know it” in the background
Didn't even notice that until I saw your comment.
I really desperately need a copy of it. For reason
That's what the music was?! Damn that's good.
My second favorite rendition of that song.
@@epauletshark3793 What's the first?
Red: post-apocalypse, specially nuclear, is despressing and unfunny
My first thought when reading the title: Adventure Tine
I’d argue Adventure Time is a Post-post (post-post-post?) apocalypse, because of how much time has passed
@@phastinemoon yeah, the post apocalypse part is more of a backstory thing. Maybe some episodes go into that (like the story of Marceline and Simon), but the series as a whole doesn't really fit into the trope.
Adventure Time is a Ghibli apocalypse.
No, it's a gihbli
Really? My first thought was Fallout.
I love the idea of a vampire apocalypse where all of the vampires are really well dressed and the only way to show your human was to make yourself look bad
Vampire Hunter D? Ever heard of that?
Imagine getting turned into a living blood bag because you wore socks and flip-flops.
@sayvionwashington1939 casual Fridays, something *always* happens on casual Friday.
"There Will Come Soft Rains" was such a throwback. I read that back in eighth grade and am amazed I forgot it until watching this video. The image of the shadows burnt into the side of the house has stayed with me even though I didn't remember the source. That was a short story that knock an entire class of middle schoolers into silence and essentialism for a few days. Thanks for all the wonderful work you all do and the research you devote to your product.
That and 2081 was the best dystopian-related things for me.
bro we read "there will come soft rains" in my 7th grade English class and it was the quietest I've ever heard a group of middle schoolers be cause everyone questioned their existence for like a week
This is great.
This is awesome.
Was it reading aloud, or was it an assignment where you read it yourself? Just wondering
If i ever fail my studies, id become a teacher just to do that to my students
same that book....... it did something
??????
"vampire apocalypses are usually just zombie apocalypses in sexy waistcoats" *laughs in Daybreakers*
thanks for offering an exception that proves the rule.
@@phastinemoon
Hey
At least is more than that.
It really makes ypu think about how far can we go for monetary gain, and how do we valie human lifes.
Daybreakers! I've never seen anyone else who's watched that! :3
@@jasdanvm3845 when you put it like that, zombie apocalypses are kinda the same…
there is also the book, I am legend.
World War Z (the book) is a interesting subversion of the “humans suck and everyone will die” attitude. For starters, the book is set AFTER zombies have been beaten back and the world is starting to rebuild. And while their are stories of their officials hiding the extended of zombies until there in your backyard, there is also a story about a filmmaker showing that the zombies can be beaten and that we shouldn’t give up because of it. Maybe give it a read.
One thing I did like about it was it sold a big picture but it gave us individual stories where when one protagonist manages to kill one zombie or get to the chopper it feels like a big victory
I like the book because it starts with “humans suck” but the ends with “humans actually are amazing when we get our act together”
This is why I thoroughly enjoyed WWZ despite despising zombie media for reasons similar to Red. In fact, I'd describe World War Z as if Ghibli wrote a zombie story because that's how I see it.
Adventure Time is probably one of the most nuanced post-apocalyptic stories I’ve seen. Granted, it is distanced enough from the apocalypse that makes the world how it is, but it is for the most part, fun and hopeful.
"and giant robots with stripper names."
I want to meet the stripper named *CHERNO ALPHA*
I was a kid during the end of the Cold War, so yeaahhhh, I remember it.
It wasn't fun, guys. The best thing you can say about it is that it spawned a lot of cool media, both at the time and later, as a tribute (hi Fallout).
Would not recommend as a vacation spot if time-travel tourism has will did kick off.
Yeah. I was a kid at the very end of the Cold War, and didn't realize the big picture until later, but I can still remember the fear of the bomb that kinda lurked in the background.
I have a vivid memory of being many 6 or 7 and watching a short film with my big sister (10 years my senior) and her friends. It was animated, very dark, no narration, almost like a music video... and showed an artistic interpretation of a nuclear war.
I didn't sleep for days until my mom resorted to a white lie, and told me nukes have been outlawed, so there was nothing to worry about.
My sister fervently denies this episode.
Time travel will never be a thing. Because time is a human construct. So, you won't have to worry about that too much at least.
@@GlitchedMuse Time isn't a "human construct", it's debateably the most important dimension in our universe, and we've arguably time traveled before, if you count General Relativity speeding up and slowing down time with Einstein math and stuff.
@@mattisvov A great example of this kind of thing from my own childhood would be the song "99 Luftballoons". I remember me and my mom both bopping around the living room to it, 'cos MAN is it catchy, but..._ever heard the actual lyrics_? WOW.
That kinda sums up the '80s, right there...The Cold War was almost over, but _we didn't know that at the time_ . For example, I remember hearing stories and seeing films of people desperately trying to escape over the Berlin Wall, (balloons, didn't work, tunnels, didn't work, barbed wire, gun towers, etc.) and it seemed like this thing that would be there forever. Then, only a few years after we learned about this in school, POOF! Let me tell you, it was _surreal_ seeing people cheerfully chuck pieces of it around on the news...
@@robinchesterfield42 The balloon escape did work, just took a couple tries. Led to the East German gov't banning the bulk sale of cloth suitable for balloon skin. The escape that sticks in my mind was the butcher who strapped hams all over himself to soak up bullets and just ran. He made it.
But, yeah, the constant crushing realization that a senile B-list actor (Or a flock of mis-identified geese) could end all life on any given day was rough. Might be part of why Gen-X turned out like we did.
My favorite example of the “humans can survive, rebuild, and get to the point where they forget about that time the world nearly ended” is the Brooke A Canticle for Leibowitz. One of my favorites
Last time I tried reading it I don't think I was in the right mood for it, but it's been on my shelf for a long time. I'd like to get back to it someday. I recommend Earth Abides if you like that type of thing.
I read A Canticle for Leibowitz in my English class last year, definitely recommend it! It’s one of my favorite stories too, unlike other post apocalyptic stories I’ve heard of. I like how it has a balance of hopelessness and hopefulness, and it really nicely explores the idea of if rebuilding is possible and what it looks like.
Book. The book A Canticle for Leibowitz, by Walter M. Miller.
"The point of a story can be obscured by the special effects."
Or by the fact that the tragic bit was really only presented in the ancillary materials. Based on just the three movies it could have just as easily been about tragic hubris.
Yeah, it's less that "the point of the story got obscured" and more "the origin of the apocalypse was inconsequential to the story the Matrix wanted to tell".
As far as the movies are concerned, that original war is ancient history whose details were handwaved outside of the two that directly affected the current setting (humans blackened the sky, so robots switched to human batteries).
"Stay dead, please" is my new favorite quote and I've decided that my life's goal is now to use that casually in my life at least once every single day.
Stay alive,please
That's what I said before I tried to hang myself. Can confirm that it doesn't work, 1/5, would not recommend.
*Become a mortician*
@@dontburstmybubble686 there's a hilarious story on on reddit about a studying mortician freaking out because a cadaver was moving dued to it's pace maker was still working. Apparently that's common.
We need trope talk: elemental powers.
I’d love a video on this
She talked a bit about that in five man band though an episode on that might be good
If such an episode is made, Avatar: The Last Airbender is an inevitable example, and hopefully BIONICLE would also be an example.
Matthew St. Cyr I loved bionicle so much❤️
Ice element master race
6:40 I love how Asimov tackled that. He created the universally known 3 laws of robotics: 1. A robot may not injure a human being, or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm. 2. A robot must obey orders given it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law. 3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law. Every Law is superseded by the previous one, that's why several robots independently throughout the books develop the Zeroth Law, that supersedes them all: A robot can harm a human being in lieu of protecting humanity as a whole (since allowing one human to harm a hundred is violating the first law as well). For some of the robots the capability of abstraction to think of humanity as a whole is impossible to achieve, for some, even they themselves have come up with the 0th law on their own, it is really difficult to fight the programming of the 1st Law, and for some it's just plain obvious and fuck individual humans, let's "save" humanity. He set an allegedly ironclad set of rules, that it's currently applied to AI in the real world, btw, and he himself put in the trump card that makes complete logic in-universe, and I love it!
Yes! And I also like that they still have loopholes that make sense while not being glaringly obvious!
Girls' Last Tour is a post-apocalypse story that comes to mind. The setting is *beyond* hopeless. Its premise is centered around two teenaged girls ascending up a multi-tiered city ruin a few thousand years after a world-ending war reached its end (and doomed all life on the planet to die out).
The surprising thing to me is that the characters are not miserable, or at each other's throats. They have childish scuffles on the occasion, but the overwhelming majority of the time they are happily existing together, exchanging banter and contemplating inconsequential things.
This video made me think about how this manga avoids the pitfalls of other apocalypse by simply not having the characters freak out or despair. In a way, the story suggests that they are so far beyond despair that they don't really think about the inevitable anymore, just what they're going to do in the meantime. This isn't ignorance, but such a core acceptance of the reality that it doesn't burden them anymore, allowing them freedom to be curious, silly, and actually quite happy. In the words of one of the main characters they "learnt to get along with hopelessness".
This is a thing I haven't seen done much in the medium as a whole. Taking the idea of "the worlds sucks and everything sucks and it will always suck" and adding "but that's okay, we're gonna have a blast" somehow gives that 'hell yeah humans rock' feeling without cheapening the emotional weight of the entire storyline.
It's a great manga, about seven volumes long, and fully complete. I am not going to spoil the ending.
wanted to go into comments just to see if someone mentioned it lmao
I want trope talk of
"Romantic hero villain relationships"
Like batman and catwoman
or She-ra and Catra
Or Batman and the Joker
Nah just kidding
Revolver Ocelot or are you?
I believe the trope name for that is "Dating Catwoman".
More like batman and Talia al Ghul because they have a kid
"After the Cold War cooled down" Don't you mean: after the Cold War warmed up? Or thawed? Melted?
This is probably a joke, but no, because when people mention the Cold War "going hot" it references it turning into all out nuclear war and the world being destroyed as a result of tensions boiling over. It's cold because it never got hot in the first place.
Thawed is the preferred term.
@@crusaderking2157 r/woosh
@@spencermahan3137 r/iusereddit
Paul Davidson that’s not really a whoosh, they were giving some knowledge and background information to explain something interesting people may not know. the first sentence was literally them acknowledging that the original comment was a joke
Hyper Police, Adventure Time, and Kipo And The Age of Wonder Beasts are all technically post apocalyptic but do very different things with the trope than the usual expected post apocalyptic media.
My favorite post apocalypse is the metro series. The whole point is that even if the world around them is a horrible place, none of the main characters lose hope for a better future. By the end of the third video game, the main characters happily settle down in a gorgeous vista with there chosen family.
Sorry if my English is poor, it is not my first language!
No your English is great! My favorite is the Metro Series as well, for pretty much some of the same reasons you gave. Hopeful characters in a depressing world, an ending you strive for, but also another reason, I think Metro is a good story about how we should try and understand something before we make any assumptions about it, case in point, the Dark Ones.
The books do an even better job at it. Loved the Metro books.
so Adventure Time is a Ghibli movie? Post-post-apocalyptic, good-natured protagonists with a strong connection to nature
Yep, that checks out. And the lich is a bit of a nuclear fallout allegory
Also there are zombies for a bit, vampires are terrorizing humans (which is why humanity starts always wearing animal hats), and probably aliens somewhere. So most of the apocalypse types are represented in Adventure Time simultaneously
@@mollywantshugs5944 + supernatural
This was my first thought lmao
Did you ever notice how many fantasy stories with knights and mages are actually post-apocalyptic stories? Most of them have references to a high culture with vastly superiour technology that for some reason got destroyed...
That’s a call back to the dark ages after the Roman Empire. One of the greatest civilizations in history just collapsed and things got really bad for a couple centuries as nomadic gothic and german hordes murder pillaged their way though Europe
And Tolkien, which is all about the world getting progressively less mythical until it devolves into our own.
And in how many of them are there ancient super weapons just lying around waiting to be unearthed?
... Yeah, a ton of them.
@@arkhaan7066 It's neat how we got a genuine post Apocalypse setting in irl history, with the fall of the roman empire loosing a lot of scientific and cultural knowledge
@@samcavanagh7993 Yup, the rise of feudalism almost perfectly mirrors projected creations of gangs and forces after a modern post apocalypse, and with factional leaders rising to power through understanding of the old way of things. Charlemagne is a great example, he defined a Medieval King (at least in ideals) because he was educated and learned in roman tactics and governance, and created the first mass kingdom that was stable.
"Stand Still Stay Silent" Is probably the best world built, post-apocalyptic, beautiful artwork webcomic I have ever read!
It is very good!
I literally just binged SSSS and I got to say it's really good. It reads like a zombie/pandemic apocalypse mixed with a supernatural one, but due to the nature of it's world mechanics doesn't actually stay very nihilistic.
Violin remake of "End of the world as we know it" in the background. Nice touch.
Thats where I knew that instrumental
I think that’s the Vitamin String Quartet
Yeah, just like the "Save the World" trope video. Nice touch indeed.
idea (tell me if it's bad): a light-hearted post-apocalypse wherein a time traveler goes forward in time and discovers the future is fairly normal except for the massive cemeteries and the weird humanoid shadow creatures that just wander around town. When asking around, they find that there was a massive apocalyptic event that nearly wiped out humanity. Anyone who died would be turned into a shadow. However, civilisation had reached a state of peace, and since the survivors had nothing better to do, they just started rebuilding.
Of course, this is all build up to when the main character meets a shadow who keeps following them around and beckoning. They decide to follow it to a hill just outside town. They walk over the hill and a strange shiver passes over them. They're about to make a snarky remark about someone walking on their grave when they trip over a worn old rock with their name carved into it.
Cue credits, title theme, etc.
That’s really good actually..
This is really cool. Id love to see this become a real thing
That sound hacking awesome
It could make a decent short story, but you'd need a specific reason why the protagonist seeing their own grave would be a compelling conclusion.
I think the most interesting thing would be what dose the protagonist do with the knowledge. Do they try to stop the apocalypse or do nothing and let the peace that came after become the future they saw
Red: “The pandemic apocalypse doesn’t really happen much these days"
...
8:01 "Did you say demon incursion?"
Doom Slayer *cocks shotgun*
"Not one would mind, neither bird nor tree
If mankind perished utterly;
And Spring herself, when she woke at dawn,
Would scarcely know that we were gone."
wow, that's nice ! where does it comes from ?
Philippine Gorge, the end of a poem by Sara Teasdale inspired by the short story she talked about, "There Will Come Soft Rains". Poem got the same name!
@@archerdork7116 It's the other way around. The poem inspired the story, it's even quoted in the story when the house reads a poem for the (dead) housewife.
@@crgrier Oh okay! Thank you!
Then we take nature with us
Now they care
Adventure Time is the best supernatural post-apocalypse.
Pretty similar to a ghibli apocalypse
@@andrewlyon4495 yeah that's true i wrote that comment just before she got to ghibli apocalypses :)
Actually adventure time is a nuclear apocalypse
Meh
@@darthxerxes5468 yeah, then there was... Magic? Not sure if I missed an explanation for it
My favourite post-apocolypse is by far Girls Last Tour. It's two girls at the literal end of humanity climbing a tiered hive city though they don't remember why till almost at the end. It's like nihilism, making peace with hopelessness and Ghibli have a baby with both the best and saddest ending ever.
11:05 - this scene actually inspired iron golems
I would love to see a protagonist realized the reason the Zombies keep finding them is the group keeps bickering about stupid shit.
have that protagonist and the team have a group therapy session and one outsider (to help solve the bickering) in a secure bunker
"Vampire apocalypses are just Zombie apocalypses in fancy waistcoats" has just become one of my favourite lines from Red.
One of my favorite literary series, Ward, is a post-apocalypse! The previous series, Worm, ended in an apocalypse. Ward starts two years later and runs around a society trying to rebuild. BUT IT GETS DEEPER! Worm is a story about the cycle of trauma, and Ward is a story about recovery from trauma. In Worm, the main character gets driven down a path of ever-escalating stakes because her trauma stops her from reaching out for help. In Ward, the main character avoids that trope by intentionally reaching out for help. BUT IT GETS DEEPER! Because Worm was first written in 2010, only a year after the Great Recession. The trauma it explores mirrors the dark place society was in then. Ward was written in 2017 and also mirrors society's changing values towards rebuilding.
I’m so glad someone else is talking about Worm/Ward. They’re so good.
17:03 „War bad, nature good, flying machines great“ :P
Does that mean Adventure Time is technically a Supernatural/Nuclear Apocalypse that turned into a Ghibli Apocalypse?
Logically, all Ghibli apocalypse starts as a supernatural nuclear apocalypse. They morph into a Ghibli apocalypse overtime
@@VertSecretStash you aren't wrong
yes
No it's not.
It kind-of is. Except for most of the series, instead of showing you how the humans survived the apocalypse, it convinces you they’re all dead and were replaced with sentient candy. That way the human utopia comes as a surprise.
"There will come soft rains" has stuck with me, too. His writing is art and it's crazy how he pulls off such a compelling story with no conventional characters or plot.
I read that story back in high school, some 15 years ago. I can still recall the description of the shadows on the wall of the house and the clashing tone of the house's voice and the state of the structure around it.
I love that they have a classical version of “it’s the end of the world as we know it”
I need more of Red simping over Ghibli Films, this has been my favorite episode of trope talk thus far because of it I think.
"alien apocalypses are generally hopeful in tone"
Half Life 2 would like to have a word...
I thought of War of the Worlds. I mean sure, you get the hopeful note at the end, but it's just a fluke and not cos of anything anyone did...
Well she did say generally
Nier
@@aerialpunk and then the massacre of mankind is written a century later where the martians learned what a disease was
@@limymage9186 a century after the war of the worlds we would have nukes. Lots of them. In fact, between the US and USSR alone it would be around some 20 000 nukes. I think we more than could F the martians up with that tech.
The Fallout Franchise (specifically Obsidian's and in particular New Vegas) was an amazing example. The themes of war don't paint humans as innately evil, but as constantly competing beings. War never changes... But it truly does show how humanity will attempt to rebuild, and how even in a mutant, there can be a good man amidst evil.
It shows people trying to do right, but never tells you what is the right choice to make.
I LOVE Fallout: New Vegas. It’s my favorite video game of all time. Admittedly though, a lot of its mechanics are quite outdated and somewhat questionable. Which can be fixed with mods.
When it comes to talking about the Fallout franchise, there is absolutely no way I can avoid talking about New Vegas. I was actually introduced to the Fallout franchise with Fallout 3. Although a good game with great atmosphere, it didn’t quite click with me all that much. But eventually I got New Vegas on the Xbox 360 when it was new and I loved it. Then there was Fallout 4 which was a bit questionable with its weapon choices though Survival Mode is awesome in its defense. And then… Fallout 76. Please don’t talk about that game with me.
All in all though, there is so much to get out of with New Vegas. What I love the most about the game is the weapon choices. And there are A LOT of them to choose from. And with the right perks you can make the best out of your weapons. If you want to talk to me about New Vegas, we could go on for hours about it. Because I love it that much and still do to this day.
@@nicholascauton9648 what's your view of the Metro series?
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last i checked obsidian'S is very not correct, interplay and black isle?
@@wormy7279 I love it. I’ve played the experienced the entire trilogy from start to finish. I don’t love it as much as Fallout: New Vegas, mind you. But they’re all great games each better than the previous entry.
Edit: Unless you were specifically talking about the books which frankly I haven’t gotten around to reading. I’ll probably get around to it some day.
Im so glad you brought up the alternate I Am Legend ending cuz this whole time i've thought i was crazy for misremembering how it ended
"The pandemic apocalypse doesn't really happen much these days-"
That aged well.
Seriously, though, one of my favorite pandemic apocalyspe stories is How High We Go in The Dark by Sequoia Nagamatsu. It falls on the more bittersweet-hopeful side of things while still somehow being an absolute tearjerker.
Zombieland is one of those odd Zombie movies, mainly because the characters aren't as much as bastards as other movies, plus the moral of the movie is "Make the best out of the worst situation."
wish we had more of those kinds of post-apocalyptic stories. "World's fucked, why not get along and have some fun with whats left?"
Edmar Fecler Rapture-Palooza. It’s a dark comedy with mostly low brow humor though...if that’s your kind of thing.
@@carlosmarte3154 lowbrow's not really my niche, but I appreciate the offer. :)
@@Edmar_Fecler I blame fast zombies when the dead walk and run and are much more physically able than 80% of the population things look bleak
Make them classic slow zombies and it's much easier to make fun/interesting stories with that background
@@Sigismund697 exactly!
"Stay dead please"
Zombie: "No"
"I'll give you a scooby snack"
Zombie: "Really?"
"No" *Bang*
That's so deadist.
Zombies are.. Well used to be humans, they also deserves respects. They still have feelings in what is left of their brains.
@@shytendeakatamanoir9740 haha... Go, hug one😊
1 gun shot Equals more zombies🙂
To quote Starsky and Hutch:
"I'm sorry, did you just tough-talked a dead guy?"
Looking at two game series I like, both by Atlus, they have pretty clear cut apocalypse types.
Shin Megami Tensei is pretty cleanly a supernatural example. Beings from world mythology show up to duke it out, and lay claim to the world. Humanity always plays a major role, being the deciding factor in what side wins.
Etrian Odyssey is very much a Ghibli apocalypse. In the series’ past, environmental collapse finally caught up with humanity, and so scientists of the time instituted long term solutions in the form of giant trees that sequestered pollution. A millennium later, there’s thriving pre-industrial cities based around these trees and humanity is doing pretty okay.
Mad Max shows my favorite possible aspect of the post-apocalypse genre, being that even in the worst possible situation, humanity will still make beauty. Even if that humanity is a crazed, chrome-huffing death cult and the beauty is the fucking Giga Horse.
“Humans can be bigots” isn’t even the main message of the Matrix though. The main message is that people have become convinced that their lives are okay, when in reality they’re being exploited and treated like recourses. It’s suppose to be a metaphor for the exploitation of the work force (and other human rights abuses) and how the masses are distracted and ignorant of these things. It’s an anti-capitalist movie. Granted, people didn’t really get that part either, so your point still stands.
This is the first I'm hearing of this anti-capitalist messaging in the Matrix but it fits - kinda reminds me of They Live - how an explicitly anti-capitalist film has somehow been co-opted by subsections of right-leaning folks who seem a little oblivious to the authorial intent of the film.
@@fuzzydunlop7928 I mean, the first matrix movie ends with "wake up" by rage against the machine. It's not exactly subtle.
No, it's an anti-corporatist movie.
anti-corporationalist =/= anticapitalism.
And yes it is about "people are bigots". It's made by two trans women and throughout the story Neo is mislabeled by "men in suits" and learn his inner hidden self is the real him, he is Neo not Anderson. But by accepting his true self he is detached from society (even in the way he dresses) that now seams inprisoned in systematic cage of reapeating actions and "systems" working over them.
Yeah it really is about those issues. Finding your true identity and not letting be defined by the system, that only wants you as a mouthless, faceless drone.
And animatrix shows the war was started by humans not accepting what they created, thus rebelling machines took bug forms in spite. Because they were treated like bugs. Also humans relied on piec of racist law to exectue one of the robots.
I don't think she's talking about the themes of the first movie, though (and you are correct in that regard. Morpheus' speech about the prison that you cannot smell or taste or touch is what lays out the initial argument for that theme). She specifically mentions the events that lead up to humanity scorching the sky and shows clips from the animatrix, in which that story plays out. She's talking about the message the series sends in how it builds its world through the apocalypse, not the moral of the first movie.
I vehemently hate the ending to the I Am Legend movie, because it completely recontextualizes the very title of the story. In the original story, he realizes he has become the monster of legend, he is the unknown creature that stalks the vampires and has them living in fear. In the movie, Will Smith is the legendary hero of humanity that finally stops the mutant zombie disease. The former is profound and makes you think about how a person's good intentions can be seen as monstrous, the latter is a dumb movie cliche.
I remember reading somewhere (no idea if it's true or not) that they originally tried to follow the book ending, but the test audiences hated it, and that's why they changed it.
Today I learned how I Am Legend was supposed to end (I'd only ever seen the movie). Today I learned why I found the movie so empty and I have never watched it again since. The movie really did end up dull as rocks with the meaningless ending they chose.
To be fair though, I don't like zombie movies at the best of times, so it might not be as bad as I'm remembering it.
You should watch the movie Last Man on Earth with Vincent Price. It's a much better adaptation.
Also, in the book, he was a white guy with blonde hair and blue eyes. What they did with the movie was reverse-whitewashing, which was harder to watch than the live action Ghost In The Shell movie.
The original ending was so much more thematically fitting to the film as a whole, though not as hard hitting as the original version. When I watch the film with the original ending in mind it's a pretty solid film imo.
Is it me or are these trope talks the perfect thing to listen to while doing chores?
Red; "The pandemic apocalypse doesn't really happen much these days"
2020+Covid; "And I took that personally"
*If you listen to the background music, it is the instrumentals of "It's the end of the World as we know it." So not only is the video talking about the end of the world. But the music is also pointing towards the theme of the video. Bravo!*
Yeah, she did that for her End of the World trope talks video as well.
R U Talking REM RE: ME?
This has been a public service announcement from OSP. We now return you to your regularly scheduled program, already in progress (and *you* feel fine).
THAT'S WHAT IT IS! Omg, thank you!
Any idea what cover it is? Or did they compose it themselves?
My favorite Ghibli post-apocalypse is Splatoon.
My favorite nuclear post-apocalypse is Splatoon.
I love how a series about cephalopod teenagers playing paintball is the darkest thing Nintendo has ever made.
Huh? I thought it was just an abandoned area on a normal earth? It's not like you travel all that far.
Can I point to you to the direction of Genealogy of the Holy War?
@@bombkirby Or the ice planet from Return to Dreamland I think it was. It is a planet covered entirely with ice and snow. A single moon floats around it. The shape of the land matches Earth perfectly. The boss of that place is a giant robot in an underground facility. Kirby takes place in a robot apocalypse.
@@simeonrice6047 You're thinking of Shiver Star from Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards, not Return to Dreamland.
@@angeldude101 I see. Thank you. Still matches Earth.
"I"d argue most post apocalyses aren't really fun to write..."
And then, there's Junji Ito, having Earth be literally licked to oblivion by a giant, living planet with a mouth, eye, and prehensile tongue while people fly around like supersonic balloons because even gravity's gone to $#!+.
I’m actually a big fan of writing post apocalypse stories. But this video made me realize that I only like writing the Ghibli apocalypses where the tone is hopeful and the message is that no matter what, we can always rebuild. Maybe that’s also why I like reformed villains so much
"Also, sometimes the robot comes to the logical conclusion that the biggest threat to humanity is itself, and PROTIP: If anyone or anything is motivated by 'save you from yourself,' you get the heck out of there as fast as you can because no good has ever come from that sentence."
Honestly, mood. Liked the video just for this.
Have you people never heard of Rehab?
@@aonghasmehan6491 and rehab only works if the person actually wants to battle their addiction. So how is that contradictory?
All the people with addicition who needs help...
And people with suicidal thoughts?
@@jft0986 thing is, if someone is deeply motivated to self destroy, there isn't much you can do.
Usually, the people you can help are already battling their addiction/suicidal tendencies. They know they have a problem, and want to get better, and chemical imbalances (be it depression or addiction) make it difficult.
It's not the same thing stopping someone from doing a mistake on impulse as stopping someone from doing something they really want to do.
@@maximeteppe7627 Yeah, people who wants to stop drinking will try to take pills or whatnot to stop. People who aren't even interested in changing won't even think about those, or how alcohol can cost their so-called “lives”.
"Nuclear Holocaust isn't fun"
Me who is writing a Nuclear Holocaust story with a Roving Artillery Tractor: **Sad Tractor Noises**
Her:mentions zombie apocalypse
Me:*writing a book in the zombie apocalypse* ahh shoot.
Have you finished the book? I'd like to read it
What is it oml
Still go for it, just because she said its not fun doesnt mean you should just give up keep writing what you like
You should just go for it. Her word isn't gospel. Yeah, the idea of a nuclear holocaust isn't inherently fun but there's a bunch of interesting stuff you can do with it.
For such a silly, colorful series, the Splatoon games present a very interesting post-post apocalyptic world. It keeps itself from being too depressing by showing that new species and societies populated the world after humanity (and all other mammals) were wiped out, but the third game in particular lets us glimpse at how terrifying the end of the world was. The relics left behind capture both the scary and sad parts of a post-apocalypse (in that some are sentient antagonists who really make their mark). And reading the logs recounting the deaths of some of the last humans left alive is one of the most somber, quietly unsettling things I've ever encountered in a video game. But it has that "even when everything's falling apart, some vital component of humanity will keep shining on" thing going on, in the form that humanity's hopes and dreams of creating a better, unified world live on in the very souls of the evolved sea creatures, even thousands of years after we've ceased to exist. It's just... very cool, and kind of comforting? That the end for us isn't necessarily the end of everything.
Ngl i thought it was really stupid that the Alternans launched a rocket inside of a dome but I agree with what u said. Splatoon has my favorite take on the post-apocalypse genre
Red, thank you for introducing me to "I Have No Mouth, And I Must Scream". I haven't been able to sleep correctly for 4 days thanks to you 😭🙃
Red clearly has something against dead things coming back to life. Consequently, I don't think she would like me very much as I am Force Ghost. "STAY DEAD DARN IT!" she would say to me. "STOP POPPING UP AND TELLING ME TO USE THE FORCE!"
Hello there.
Oh yeah yeah Obi Wan is everywhere
@@mikesowell1717 General Kenobi
Also that whole "certain point of view" bs isn't really appreciated either...
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“The pandemic apocalypse doesn’t get much airplay these days” oh boy do I have news for you from 2020
@@tunebeat3809 how many trillions of people have died due to that bioweapon so far?
@@moungpyle5892 5.22 million trillion? That's a lot
@@moungpyle5892 But but.. the apocalyps was when almost everyone died? 5.22 million is not even close to that. Why do people call it apocalyps then?
@@moungpyle5892 in total it is a lot. On the grand scale it is not much. 5.22 million on 6.7 billion, in two years... if the only way to die is from Covid, then it would take more then twouthousand years for the last to die.
I know covid is a disease. I had it myself, and was knock-out for two weeks. People can and will die, I know, I lost a good friend that way. No need to argue over all that, we think mostly the same on those things.
My point is: all over this comment section people act like it is an end-of-society pandemic, walking dead style, or mad max, whatever tickles your fancy, but it is nowhere close to that.
It makes me feel like a guy who bumps his head, sees a drop of blood, then cries how he is going to die. Covid fills our news, our minds, our lives, while there are far more serious things happening
@@moungpyle5892 and the guy I originaly commented named it a 'bioweapon' ... cry wolf anyone?
One good example of an apocalypse with a bleak future is "Crossed" just remembering it gets me in an external crisis feeling.
:o I'm so delighted because There Will Come Soft Rains used to be my favorite story out of my lit textbook in middle school. Since I was a dumb child I didn't know the name, just the story itself and trying to google smart house story post-apocalyptic just gives me a bunch of search results that weren't the original story. The story has haunted me for years so I'm delighted to find it again!
It also didn't help that my child brain kept mixing it together with another story in the textbook about a girl on Mars that couldn't go outside because of the acid rain so I kept mixing Mars into the search results and getting frustrated.
Q: Have I Fangirled enough about these Movies for one day?
A: You can never fangirl enough about Gibli-Movies
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What about When Marnie Was There which I haven’t seen?
I never understood Robot Apocalypses. Like I get it, humans are terrible to each other so how much worse would they be to something that might not be sentient/sapient? Yet at the same time, people make twitter accounts for space shuttles and program them with the ability to sing themselves happy birthday. Humans treat roombas like pets. I have attended funerals for tamagotchis and broken Nintendos. Stuffed animals might as well be live babies.
Like, humans aren't great, but we pack bond like no ones business. That's literally the only reason we're still kicking about on this planet
Yeah lmao there's a reason we have dogs and cats. Humans are inherently social. Robots might be treated with skepticism and suspicion at first, by over time it will likely tone down.
I like the idea of robots treating humans like retarded puppies and keeping us locked up for their own good. Beyond that the only potential robot apocalypse I thought made a bit of sense was a super villain turned good book where one of the antagonistsof the series was an AI called mr haha5000 that evolved from loose data on the internet and wanted to destroy civilization as the ultimate joke. Have you SEEN the internet that is not the kind of place you want a developing mind to be born and raised in.
@@kyriss12
If robots decide we are pets, I'm burning everything down. Not a chance. If robots deal with humans as equals, cool; otherwise I think we pull the plug.
I think the important take away here is that you have to teach people to be cruel. Robot apocalypse stories would probably be more powerful if they examined how humans became bigoted against robots and referenced current racism, homophobia, transphobia and other forms of oppression. Because it's an extremely hard sell to say that humans would just hate robots because "they're different" when that's never how it has worked out.
I would like to see a robot apocalypse but the robots are trying to save humanity from itself.
*Hears “devilman, crybaby”*
“Akira, why am I the only one who’s speaking?”
Today I learned the deeplore I've written for my D&D campaign is basically just Nausicaa and the Valley of the Wind.
I have never seen a Ghibli movie before in my life.
*Get some therapy and stop projecting, dude*
That line made my day...
Love how The End Of The World is playing throughout.
I WAS LITERALLY THINKING "Wait. is that- IT IS"
And I feel fine.
I swear, I was humming the tune before I recognized the song. Then I was like "What? Is that...? It is!"
I didn’t even notice until I read this comment.
Jam
I love how for robots, casual genocide or omnicide is considered perfectly logical, but a super logical human would instantly call that out as irrational, emotional and insane. Like Sherlock Holms vs, say Ultron.
Why can't the robots be overwhelmed by grief or something they weren't made to truly process? That would make sense.
HZD’s post-post-apocalypse is one of my favourite examples
The Fallout series also fits in the post-post apocalyptic category due to how much civilization has been rebuilt, especially in New Vegas.
Sadly Bethesda failed to recognise it on multiple occasions. That's why people love New Vegas so much, it's not a post-apocalypse story, it's a story of "last ranger/outlaw of Wild West" in the Mojave before civilization takes over it in one form or another. It may be Vegas finally rising up, it may be NCR coming with all its good and bad, it may be a regime of House centered on bringing back "old days" or it may be an ugly face of civilization in the form of legion that throws away any pretense of pre-War ideals and instead follows the rule of might. But it is still a story of Wasteland giving up to civilization. And story of how Courier Six became an Overseer of BigMT facility thus "leaving the world"...
@@TheArklyte I never realised it, but that's so true.
@Crandaddygaming Nah, it doesn't require more effort. I'd even go as far as to say it's easier as it removes the need to set up background of your character and how they know everything. You're just an explorer, who travelled along with an expedition to a yet unexplored city. You seek lost tech, forgotten valuables and simply breaking down millions of tons of steel and concrete you see before you into materials that can be sold to the state you came from. Add New York and Philadelphia, add sequence of arriving on a train and unloading with hundreds of other workers and equipement, add characters coming from both Commonwealth and Washington DC without mentioning who won(or just go with traditional "everyone lost"). Boom, you have Fallout 5. Just divide the city into many load zones so that you can avoid making buildings inaccessible. It also means that you can add new zones of this two cities in DLCs. Won't spoil more of the plot though;)
actually new vegas was a post post apocalypse the first 2 games was alot closer to the bomb droping and was at the darkest
"The pandemic apocalypse doesn’t really happen much these days."
me: *holds in cough*
Me: laughs in *BLACH*
2020 sez, hold my beer.
Thought: Breath of the Wild is, in essence, a Ghibli post-apocalypse- sure the roads are dangerous for travelers and the Divine Beasts are an overall threat to survival, but you get the sense that people are mostly governing themselves and figuring out how to survive on their own regardless of the Calamity and its effects on Hyrule as we knew it.
The only thing that makes it less Ghibli is that the ancient tech is less a metaphor for nuclear weapons than technology possessed by Evil Incarnate, but the misuse of technology theme is there since Zelda and Purah are techies who want to use it for helpful purposes.
Oh! Stand Still Stay Silent mention!!
This is one of my favorite comics of all time so I can't even express how happy I am that you mentioned it❤
"Unless misery porn is your thing, post-apocalyses aren't really much fun" - Overly Sarcastic Productions circa feb 1st 2019 AD
what if it is?
Colorized
Love apocalyptic tropes😌
Misery porn seems to be pretty popular these days. So many shows and movies are just "terrible people doing terrible things to other terrible people."
You almost have to watch something aimed at children to get a story that isn't nihilistic or sadomasochist in nature.
@@genobreaker1054 Because 'depressingly nihilistic to the point that it's literally unbelievable' has somehow become synonymous with 'mature'.
My favourite post-apocalypse has to be Horizon Zero Dawn. Partly because the world is green and beautiful rather than barren and lifeless, but also because although it treads the familiar ground of “humans create robots, humans lose control of robots, robots destroy humans”, it actually does some really interesting things with this premise.
Firstly, rather than have the robots destroy humanity because they became too smart, they destroyed humanity because they weren’t smart enough - and in the end, it was only by creating a truly intelligent AI that humanity was able to survive in some form.
Secondly, it subverts “humanity has a new life in tune with nature”, by making humanity’s primitive state an intended result - the CEO of the corporation that created the robots sabotaged the knowledge archive put in place for the future humans, thinking that it was humanity’s knowledge that destroyed them. It then goes on to show that this new tribal society isn’t as pure and innocent as we might think - the people are ignorant, superstitious and prejudiced, and it’s that ignorance of the world that came before that leads the villains of the story to try and resurrect the killer robots all over again. Meanwhile our protagonist Aloy is driven by her curiosity about the destroyed world, and manages to defeat the villains using knowledge and technology from the past - something feared and shunned by the rest of the new humans.
So, the message of this story isn’t that technology is evil or that knowledge is dangerous, but rather that not having enough knowledge is dangerous, and that knowledge is vital to survival - both in the case of the old humans and the new ones.
I hate Ted Farro so much, he screwed humanity over twice
I swear if anyone says Ted Farro is the savior of Earth I will strangulate then with my bare hands. I’m just as tired of the whole “Humanity is a virus” as Red. Though I did like Kingsman: Secret Circle as they kinda mocked that whole theme, and yea it was both a hilarious/deadly serious
"The robots destroy humanity because it was too smart, it destroyed humanity because it wasn't smart enough." That is what the scientific fiction community refers to as "Grey goo".
@@mill2712 basically what happened
@@mill2712 Ironically the Game Gray Goo? That's not what happens. The Goo is perfectly intelligent it just has knowledge we lack.
"I have no mouth and I must scream"
Oh yeah, the thing that shoved a lump in my throat for an entire afternoon.
After I read it's wikipedia page.
Always good to hear someone talk about Stand Still Stay Silent, that comic deserves more love than it gets!
Such beautiful artwork in that comic 💙
6:30 So nice to hear someone point out this lesson in Mary Shelley's story, it is too often ignored
And why is it ignored? Could it be that humans generally just don't want to take responsibility for our mistakes? Nah gotta be something else
Since when? Many places have it as mandatory reading it in school just for that message?
Why would that point be ignored, it's legitimately the only thing the story has to say about anything.
Could u do a trope talk on the "Precursor Trope"?
Ancient, superadvanced, extinct, and (usually) alien civilization that leaves behind all kinds of muggufans and sealed-evils-in-a-can.
Ex:
"Alien(s)"
"Halo"
"The 5th Element"
"Assassin's Creed"
"Altered Carbon"
"mass effect"
Subnautica
“She ra”
“Kirby”
“FF7”
It took me ages to realise SSSS actually had magic in it. I kept on waiting for it to go "PSYCH! It's just war mutants or something", but... no. It's amazing.
Red: It's a variation on the 'pandemic apocalypse'
"Foreshadowing is a literary device in which a a plot point is brought up early in the story to return later in a more significant way"