Trope Talk: Tournament Arcs
Vložit
- čas přidán 17. 06. 2024
- Sign up at crunchyroll.com/overlysarcastic to get CrunchyRoll ad free for 14-days!
It's an anime staple! It's… kind of controversial! Let's unpack what's up with the tournament arc and then listen to me ramble about tournaments I liked for over half the video! Yaaaaay~
What's your favorite tournament arc, and your least favorite PART of any given tournament arc?
PATREON: www.Patreon.com/OSP
MERCH LINKS:
Shirts - OverlySarcasticProducts.Threa...
All the other stuff - www.Cafepress.com/OverlySarcas...
OUR WEBSITE: www.OverlySarcasticProduction...
Find us on Twitter @OSPCZcams!
![Eminem - Houdini [Official Music Video]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/22tVWwmTie8/mqdefault.jpg)
Shounen Villain: “You Literally Died!”
Shounen Hero: “That was a week ago dude, things change.”
"BUT I'M THE ONE WHO KILLED YOU"
"Sure, but now we have to team up to defeat your old boss, so its time to move on from that minor inconvenience".
@@TheSpencermacdougall well when dying is like missing the bus, the fact he killed you isn't really important
@@hadeskingoftheunderworld7010 'Tis but a scratch!
@@FortunateSon-mo9zi *me having died 15 times* shit!!!! I forgot my stamp card! I'm not going to get my free sub now!!
@@hadeskingoftheunderworld7010 Well by that point, I would've detonated a nuke in New York and causing a nuclear armagedon because hell, if dying doesn't matter nothing will stop me from trying to end the world because I can just resurrect myself
Ash Ketchum: "Wait protagonists are supposed to win their tournament arcs?!"
This comment has aged badly
Goku: "Weird, right? Guess you learn something new every day."
@@Gogetossj50 Well, he did win most of them in the original Dragon Ball. He just lost that track record in Z.
@@demi-femme4821 of the three tournaments Goku was in in Dragonball, he only won the third. The first two he basically fought to a stalemate before his opponents were awarded first place. (What else would you call losing because he was a foot shorter or hitting the ground a half second faster?)
O O F
17:56
"how dare you hit a girl?"
"that girl is currently kicking my ass, I don't have much of a choice"
It says a lot that Bakugo, who later on explicitly mentions that overtaxing his powers hurts his arms because of the shockwaves of the explosions, willingly did a giant explosion that could have broken his arms rather than let Ururaka’s meteor attacks hit him. That is how seriously he was fighting her. Sure we can argue he was just being overly cautious because she’s friends with Midoriya but that just means he genuinely thought she could have pulled off some grade A scheme like how Izuku beat him in the mock battle.
@@scribesorcerer4967 I've only seen clips from Crunchyroll and videos like this, but Bakugo to me definitely looks like the kind of guy who doesn't like to hold back.
For those who are less familiar with Dragon Ball, that 55-eposode-long tournament arc takes only 40 minutes of the show's timeline. True story
Ahh the 5 namekian minutes
Personally, the first tournament was one of my favorites. There wasn't really a bad guy, except the bullies from Krillin's old temple but they get their asses kicked out of the story real quick, and ends with the twist of Goku *actually losing.* It's also where Roshi taught him the lesson of "don't become too complacent, because someday a new rival will show up to challenge you."
@@priyankadeshpande1514 on steroids.
In one piece dressrossa took place in 1 day but it was over 100 episodes
@@dirt007
Will do, though something tells me it won't be as darkly hilarious as the Advanced Adventure playthrough...
"It's rough being the rival when you think you're the protagonist."
Oh wow that's a zinger.
He gets better. Slightly.
Story of my life in the prequels.
I thought I was the protagonist, but then I found out I was the comic relief
Crap, noticed this just after I typed out my own reply saying the same thing. ^^; Still, always nice to see folks on the same page!
Ultimate Hope
So you’re Kuwabara.
"It's rough being the rival when you think you're the protagonist" may just be the best discription of Bakugo I've ever heard.
Right?!
I’ve heard of one that can compete: Micheal Bay’s Wet Dream
He is quick to see red, but he didn't see the red flags when he already got treated like a shounen protagonist in his early childhood.
Had he been more genre-savvy, he would have known that you don't get to be the center of attention until your teenage years, after you've been through a tough backstory like Midoriya.
@Anna Lialine If Bakugou wasn't constantly brushed off in-universe, he wouldn't be an enjoyable character
Nothing ruins a rival character quite like letting them get what they want. See Sasuke
Somehow that's what makes the Last order series in Gunnm so good. All the characters get a moment to be the main character( even the giant monster with a laser cannon dick).
Fun fact in regards to Bakugou’s voice: the Japanese VA had to take a break recently to get surgery to repair the damage constantly screaming like that to play Bakugou was causing him.
Does Bakugo think everyone else is hard of hearing or something?
@@JaelinBezel Maybe he blew out his eardrums with explosions a long time ago, and thinks he's speaking at a normal volume
@@JaelinBezel There are also hypothesis that since he produces nitroglicerine, which slowers hearth rate, he has to be constantly angry so his hearth rate won't go too low.
And its not just bakugo. I mean hes also playing nishinoya (haikyuu) and garfiel (re:zero) who both also have a tendency to shout a bit much
@@lorenzendl4712 and also Ghiaccio from JJBA. İ like to think that the anime industry hate the VA. So they tried ganging on him by giving him the roles of all those shouting characters.
"This sounds like you need therapy- Ooh, I have an idea!"
That's it, that's the fight.
"Especially since *HE KILLS HER* . Sh- she does get better."
Never change, Shounen anime, never change.
Lord Scolipede she turned me into a NEWT!
Shonen anime isn't that different from western comics huh?
@@iunnostupid5720 no he did not died. it will be credence
I mean, it did it before it was cool, or more while it was getting cool
Sounds like Mortal Kombat
I think Trope Talk is just an excuse for Red to talk about stuff she notices in her favorite anime
That is what Tropes are.
And the problem with that is?
(Sorry, not actually having a go at you, just wanted to join in).
It's also a way to tell everyone about her favourite anime
Can't think of a better reason to start an awesome series like this
You're new here aren't ya? 😏😉
"Shoto starts to go all out, but then he remembers that therapy doesn't work like that" lol that quote sent me
My favorite part of my hero Academia's is when some of bakugo's classmates give him shit directly for wailing on sweet innocent Ochaco, and Bakugo manages the closest thing he gets to respectful by saying if you think she's a harmless little girl, you weren't watching the same fight I was in.
Honestly, I think that if Uraraka had won that fight, Bakugo would've been chill with it. He seems to be the "I don't really care about the outcome as long as you fight your hardest" types of guys
@@torazely he would have been mad at himself for losing, not at Uraraka for winning
@@cdnlightning1080Yeah. Part of the reason Bakugo was so angry for winning at all was he didn’t win fairly. Shoto was holding back, Bakugo wasn’t. Bakugo is a jerk but he wants to be pushed and challenged. If he isn’t good enough to win, he doesn’t believe he should win. It’s an honorable characteristic that really foreshadows his redemption imo.
“Midoriya’s kind words and flagrant disregard for his own wellbeing” That’s it. That’s the character.
Also, Fanboyism for All Might.
Also, kacchan.
That’s just Naruto.
"It's hilarious how angry that makes [Bakugo]" that too.
well not the whole character
Shounen side-character: Hey didn't you die?
Shounen protagonist: I got better
The Bronze Age X-Men (from the 1980s): an entire team of Sounen protagonists.
*a newt?*
Shounen protagonist: death is a social construct
'Tis but a flesh wound!
As Steve Rodgers put it: "You get hurt, hurt them back. You get killed, walk it off"
I love how mad Bakugo gets when he can tell Shoto is holding back.
Yeah. That said, it was probably for the best that Shoto didn't use his fire on Bakugo: Bakugo's quirk is that he sweats a nitroglycerin-like substance and ignites it to create his explosions; a fire attack could've caused all his sweat to explode (that's a sentence I didn't think I'd say one day).
It was funny alright, but also relatable at the same time.
I think it did wonders for his characterization. For all of his many flaws Bakugo is actually really very close to your average Shonen Hero. He’s Loud abrasive ,Talented and inventive. He doesn’t want to merely win he wants to win against their best. He shows a great deal of respect to those that earn it (Red Riot is probably his best bud and Uraka got his full respect and he got pissy at people for calling her weak girl)
Hell surrounded by villains and given an opportunity to go full sauske Bakugo instead flipped them off and started kicking ass because he wants to be a Hero not some cut price villain.
Really the only thing holding him back is his hang up with Deku and having some issues with communicating with the civilian population. He doesn’t have quite enough charisma to make it work as well as some do.
So here's my doubt, if red doesn't loke tournament arcs, does that mean she doesn't like sport anime? Because Haikyuu!! is a golden fountain of charismatic characters and story arcs, and it would be a shame that she miss all that.
Bakugo fuckin sucks
"A lingerie model from hell"
Loved how sasly acurate this is for all animes, specially shounen 🤣
17:40 also, another thing I think is important is that when Bakugo 's friends confront him for "going all out on a trail little girl" Bakugo said something along the lines of " what about her was frail? " which I believe is a great character subversion
Yeah, it is quite interessting how he, who has little regard for anyone else is in that scene almost the only one respecting her and in general a lot more considering towards her than most. Of cause he developes his awesome friendship with Kirishima, but that only worked because he could neither hurt him physicly not psychologicly otherwise he would have fucked that one up to. Uraraka is a very special snowflake in that regard and I like it. Solelyher association with Midorya should have been a reason to antagonise her, but Katsuki treats her with his special brand of respect nevertheless.
Also an additional nice touch is shown earlier on that he genuinely doesn’t remember any of his classmates names nor powers in the Calvary battle. When the brackets were put up he doesn’t even remember Uraraka is even in his class. The only thing noteworthy in his head is “Deku’s friend.” After the battle she has made such an impression on him that he makes note to remember her name from then on.
@@myStitch11 I doubt that the respect was born at that battle, as he shouts out her name after Uraraka's meteor shower
I think he already had prior respect to her, which only shined through during the battle
@@Khookies-lp2lu Nah.
@@balabanasireti we have to remember that for Bakugo to even know their name, there is something extra already
There is prior respect, or at least he respects her more than others, even if by a teeny tiny bit
"...designed to appeal to young men and also me." (20 something woman) I feel you girl
I feel you too, but in the opposite way.
I'm a 20 year old man, but I love some cheesy romance anime, or an adorable shoujo show.
Hey it’s okay! Don’t feel alone! Things can appeal to anybody!
They can but shonen means young boys so she’s not wrong...
@@redgeoblaze3752 "I feel you. but in the opposite way. I'm a 20 year old ma-" *police sirens*
Me too. Women like them too!
I remember when my DM tried to run a tournament arc, and we played along. At first. Then I tried to steal the Maguffin that was being offered as a prize between matches.
Which led to finding out it was a decoy and the real Maguffin was on the (evil) tournament organizer. Who we then attacked and bypassed a whole plot point by skipping right to the boss fight.
Glad he didn’t just force you guys to go along with the tournament, sounds like a good dm
What's a dm
@@fish-kun dungeon master from dnd
@@fish-kun Dungeon Master for BDSM
@@fish-kun Dungeon Master. In DND, there's players who run and act out characters within the constrains of the game's world and rules, and there's a person who runs the game's world and makes up scenarios so the players have things to act out. The one in the charge of the world is referred to as the "Dungeon Master" of the campaign or DM for short.
i just loved that she used a team four star video: either loosen your moral code or stop hinging the fate of the world on death matches
You can hear gigguk shouting in the distance
TOOOOOOOOOURNAMENT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARC
ngl I clicked this just to see if he was a guest star
(did somebody say TOURNAMENT ARC?)
@@MidoriMushrooms You mean a SERIES OF STRUCTURED FIGHTS ARC!
Relevant username
That was The first thing i tought about when i saw the video
"I mean, the tournament can't just be our heroes and one main bad guy."
*glances nervously at Cell*
tbh cell games wasn't really a typical tournament.
It was more like "I'm proving I'm too strong for anyone to beat and I want to beat people up."
They called them the Cell Games for a reason, it wasn't a traditional tournament by any means, it was more like the guy who sets up a stage in the middle of town and says: "Who thinks they can bet me?"
Anime really needs more King of the Hill or Highlander tournament arcs
@@wickederebus Agreed, more propane and scotsmen
I always love it when the antagonist in a story is personally offended that the protagonist doesn't really take him seriously or is like "Sorry, but I have better things to do right now" and the antagonist is mad that he isn't fought like a proper villain.
Madara: You’re finally here, Hashirama!!!🤩
Hashirama: Shut up, Madara, I’m busy! I’ll deal with you later!
Madara:🥺
Rabid Bakugo tied to the 1st place podium is beyond priceless every time it’s brought up
Red: this is mostly an anime trope
Me: Harry Potter and the Golbet of Fire is my favorite anime
I get that this is a joke, but the tri-wizard tournament doesn't really follow the tournament arc formula in any conceivable way
Ancient gladiatorial combat is my favorite anime
Oh my god
Welp, the movie could be seen as Harry character development arc, Ron and Hermione subplot development arc, and Cedric Diggory's character arc at the same time (although he was killed at the end)
You know what? Actually, if compared with anime tropes, The Goblet of Fire is the filler arc where the main and side characters finally get their character development that ended with a reveal that the antagonist side is also getting their development that snaps back the protagonists from their less stressful filler arc (the tournament arc in this case) back to the reality that the true antagonist is back to ruin their day.
@@Ruminations09 but it is tho
17:38
"What part about that girl was weak?" -Bakugo
I think this scene is the closest Bakugo got to genuinely complimenting and respecting someone other than himself which kinda says a HELL of a lot about Uraraka.
In all seriousness, when even Bakugo acknowledges you're good, you know you're impressive.
This is the same guy who just calls his friends idiots and flagrantly insults them when they're trying to be friendly with him, he doesn't do nice so having this kinda-compliment is a pretty big deal as far as what he says is concerned.
Yeah
@Alvi Syahri Honestly, probably not.
@Alvi Syahri glad I wasn't the only who noticed that he went from a rude nickname/ not knowing her name to calling her out by name. And all it took was dropping a meteor shower on him
Yeah, je later gets better with Kirishima, but only because he neither could hurt him physicly not mentaly and with time he melowed out, nur otherwise that one too would have been pretty ugly abusiv, Uraraka is realy the only one he acts his way of decent around
And the same guy who screams at plaque when he brushes his teeth.
I'd like to say that Ninjago does an incredible tournament arc. There are many protagonists that lose and get their powers stolen and many plot twists. For example, the main protagonist loses. This allows the antagonist to start a spell that transforms his cult into snakes. It also has a good explanation as to why the protagonists don't cheat. I highly reccoment it for anyone who's bored over a weekend!
Ninjago's tournament arc was awesome, it was when I was most invested in the show.
Don't forget the whole Zane thing. Not gonna spoil anything though.
GOD I LOVED THAT SHOW
I'm so glad people remember ninjago. Tournament of elements was so cool. I think Skybound is probably my favourite season of that show tho.
Tbh Ninjago is the only “shounen” i care about
The best tournament arc i’ve seen is Lego Ninjago Season 4 “The tournament of the elements”. It introduces a bunch of new cool characters, the eliminated characters are not sitting ducks, and it has many interesting plotlines, including a conspiration that culminates in the best season finale of the series.
I know many people have blind nostalgia for Ninjago, but it holds up, and it is really underrated ( Especially season 4)
man I really need to watch that again. I remember loving it as a kid.
@@Oblivi0usM I remember seing it on netflix awhile back.
Dude I've been waiting for someone to mention this show! It probably has something from every trope mentioned so far
@@Oblivi0usM I think it depends on where you live but it's on Netflix, I live in the UK so like I said it depends but you can watch it there
I made a video breaking down my thoughts on the Tournament of Elements, along with a bunch of other tournament arcs I really like. Short version:
Love the story and the structure, Chen is the best villain in the series to date, the action kinda suffers which keeps it pretty low on the list, Skylor best girl.
"So if I beat you then i'm fulling my dad's dream....but wrong"
"This sounds like you need therapy"
It's shonen anime, *everyone* needs therapy.
Skyblade 743 damn everything the protagonist go through to make the viewers entertained.....
"Ooo I have an idea!"
I can't help but hear that in Steven Universe's voice.
@@EpsilonRosePersonal Well, it's a very Steven thing to say.
3:48 "If the manga [...] is running out of content." So what you're saying is...Game of Thrones could've had a tournament arc.
Isn't that what Cleganebowl was?
It didn't?
huh.
*should’ve
@@zusfrankenstein8561 It's not a tournament arc if it's a single personal battle between two sworn enemies. Then you call it a final showdown.
That would have one hundred percent dragged me into that show.
The best turnament is in the Blind Bandit episode of The Last Airbender. Its verry short but also very effective. We see The Boulder take out every competitor within seconds but the moment Toph shows up, he gets obliberated. This is by far the most effective introduction of a character's power I have ever seen. The fact that this little girl took out the best fighter in the entire arena with ease, makes her super badass right from the start.
Okay yes. But I don't really feel that counts as a tournament arc. It is more like a montage.
“THE BOULDER IS CONFLICTED”
“Man I hope it stays good” - Famous last words 😭
Honestly, it’s not even bad, it’s just… really ok now. It’s got a lot going for it but also some disappointing problems that it avoided earlier in its run.
@@FedoraKirb yeah, i mean season 6 was awesome
And out of nowhere, there you got a badly handled war arc were the premise is in conflict with the series' tone. Can't even sell the tragedy of the previous "massacre" when that was just a bunch of fill... side characters dying off-camera.
At least blond Sasuke's death was funny while it lasted.
Can't bellieve she managed to fit a trope talk on foreshadowing in this video.
16:25
To answer your question Red, cause I met Bakugo's VA at a con recently, he does a lot of shouting on Friday and has to take the weekend to recover his voice.
When he gets old I doubt he will be able to talk
Wow. I knew he did a bunch of screaming but damn.
Yeah, the Japanese voice actor has it a lot worse, since a lot of his other roles also involve shouting inordinate amounts. He actually announced he's going to take a month off from voice acting to recover from throat surgery just yesterday.
@@zusfrankenstein8561 Damn that's dedication I hope he recovers well
Zus Frankenstein
Those voice actors really need to learn the art of heavy metal vocals. For one, they'll be able to yell and scream without trashing their vocal cords
12:55 fakes his own death to powerup his friend. True loyalty
**guts bursting out of chest**
**dies**
[later]
Just kiddin' - I'm actually fine.
To be fair, at least in the dub Togoro, (spelling check sorry) says he also missed lethal damage when he realized what the goal was. He knew the friendship trope and aided it.
I like that Kurama and Kuwabara do this to yusuke twice but the second time is just to fuck with him.
to be fair, Kuwabara is well within his rights to since Yusuke ACTUALLY died and then reappeared to smooch him in his dreams
Boozer did that in days gone
I think MHA did their tournament arc well (the sports festival). You'd expect Deku to win because hes the protagonist and find a way to channel his power, which he kinda does. However, he deliberately looses to Todoroki because he wants his friend to get over his daddy issues and use his fire powers. I wrote this mid-episodes and I'm just realizing she just started talking about it
Deku doesn't deliberately lose; he just forced Todoroki to actually use all of his power in the fight. Deku still wanted to win.
The Bad part of that is bakugo
@@mateoremedi4703 for you apparently.
@@djantouahmed7319 bro,while deku and todorki have development, while ochaco tries to win with her own strategy,while iida discover the trágic Destiny of his brother,bakugo is just "wuah i want to win,wuah i have an inferiority complex"
@@mateoremedi4703 I don’t like Bakugo either (easily one of my least favorite characters in anything), but I’m not going to deny that there is… well I wouldn’t call it “growth,” but it is an exploration into his character. I think. I guess.
"equal rights equal fights!"
-bakugo, equality connoisseur
You know that if Uraraka had pulled out a win, Bakugo would have accepted it with better grace than he did his win over Todoroki.
Like "Yeah, she got me, that meteor shower move was pretty sick huh?"
@@loadeddice4696 yeah, one of my favorite parts was when he said "I definitely wouldn't call that girl frail"
Yeah, I really liked him in the fight. He showed true respect for Uraraka. Much more than anybody else ever did.
Katsuki Bakugo, feminist ally.
Bakugo: Everyone, regardless of gender, age, race or creed, is equally inferior to me.
Gigguk enters the room: DID SOMEONE MENTION A TOUUUURNIMENT AAAAAAARC??!!
Just scrolled down to find this comment, strangely is not the top one.
To be fair, Okashido's comment is REALLY good.
Surprise; most of them suck!
*Gigguk enters any room at all
SPOILER: Dragon ball super top has no real consequence. They all live in the end. Total fail right there.
I never even thought about how My Hero's mentor dynamic had that hint of meta to it, neat
also I'm definitely gonna start saying "he kills her, but she does get better"
JoCat
Uhh...Toby Kodachi
Oh hey Storig
Love your videos! It makes me happy (and it makes a certain amount of sense) that you watch OSP too!
Hey Jocat, can you say hi to jocrap for me? I’m a big fan of you both (yes I know you’re the same person), thank you for the great content!
@@supreme_king_obama1158 what no they're not..
Wanna know a great tournament arc? Ninjago: Tournament of Elements!
It introduces a bunch of fun side characters like Skylor and Karlof, provides character growth for pretty much everyone (Jay and Cole's rivalry, Kai's resentment that he wasn't the Green Ninja, Garmadon acting as team Sensei for a season, ect), and the reasoning for the ninja playing along despite knowing that the villain Chen wants to steal everyone's powers makes total sense. Chen has Zane and they wanna rescue him. But they don't just play Chen's game. They try to form an alliance between the contestants but due to a traitor in their midst, Skylor, who turns hero and love interest for Kai, the contestants are bested and they all have their powers stolen. Only through Kai's strategic thinking are they able to get their powers back and stop Chen. But it doesn't end there. The rest of the season focuses on trying to find him and when he uses Skylor, who's his daughter by the way, to finish his plans, they have to stop him, which Garmadon sacrifices himself to do. Great tournament arc, great season
I made a video breaking down my thoughts on the Tournament of Elements, along with a bunch of other tournament arcs I really like. Short version:
Love the story and the structure, Chen is the best villain in the series to date, the action kinda suffers which keeps it pretty low on the list, Skylor best girl.
Absolutely agree! Ninjago is so good! It’s tournament is really well-written. My only complaint is they abandon the tournament near the end in that forest episode. I would’ve liked to see them take it further to make their eventual loss more devastating.
heck yeah
@@samkathryn4825 Honestly, I feel like abandoning the tournament structure towards the end only benefited the season. Logically the tournament was only a farce by Chen to get all the Elemental Masters in the same area and divide them so they were weak enough to steal piers from individually. He had no need for it when he was now strong enough to just take all the elemental powers.
By eliminating the tournament, the stakes become that much higher. Additionally, tournament arc can become too predictable but by eliminating it, the viewer had no idea what was going to happen next and that increases the tension, surprise, and audience engagement.
Red talks about the advantages and disadvantages of a tournament arc in this I think Ninjago struck the perfect balance. It took all the advantages of a tournament arc but abandoned that structure before the disadvantages of the trope reared their ugly heads.
I like how ninjago handled this trope. The MCs participated in the tournament mostly because that was the best way to get to the bottom of the mystery, and the tournament derails to make way for plot progression at the logical time. Instead of the plot being subsumed by the tournament, the tournament only exists as long as it’s relevant to the plot. The tournament also acts as a countdown, because they drop evidence that the tournament and the way it progresses is an integral part of the villain’s plan, so if the heroes can’t figure it out and stop the tournament in time things could go very wrong.
(no I am not a bot)
I made a video breaking down my thoughts on the Tournament of Elements, along with a bunch of other tournament arcs I really like. Short version:
Love the story and the structure, Chen is the best villain in the series to date, the action kinda suffers which keeps it pretty low on the list, Skylor best girl.
10:02 "Did you die?"
"Sadly, yes. But I lived!"
"And that was just one of the many ways I tragically died."
Baron Muchausen
FIDEL CASTRO INTENSIFIES
*SAYS EVERY MARVEL&D.C HERO AND/OR VILLAIN EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!*
Buck(Diesel Weasel) the greatest anime mc!
"Didn't you die tho"
"Yesn't"
The moment ''especially since he kills her. She...she does get better'' just instantly made me think of Monty Python's The Holy Grail. I'm having nostalgia flashbacks
I'm pretty sure that was the point. It's not exactly an obscure reference.
*'TIS JUST A SCRATCH!'*
“She turned me into a newt”
“You don’t look like a newt”
“Well, I got better”
Forgive me if I misquoted
I'm not quite dead, sir.
Gotta say that Yusuke’s character arc is slightly more complex in the dark tournament. He still has to learn how to deal with the responsibility of being a protector figure, and how to open up to people. He takes in that lesson from Genkai that he’s not a one man show, that no power, nothing even, is worth losing those you love or yourself. Basically, that it’s okay to care, and show it. I’d say it’s almost like prep for the self reflection Yusuke has at the beginning of the three kings arc.
To me ,the Best thing about tournamemts is when the protagonists can lose withouth dying because that more tense, because we know they won't die,but they losing the tournamemts is something that could happen
And that's basically the entire appeal of sports anime. Tournament arcs, but the protagonists have a real chance of losing because it does equal death and the opponents can still stick around after a game and not neceserally become allies/friends and getting a downgrade in power
"... by this tiny old lady voiced by Frieza."
My childhood came rushing back.
It's times like this, when I realize that two caracters are voiced by the same actor, that an odd question pops up;
In shows that feature "True Names," could that Name be the name of the actor? Then, if so, would that be the case for any of the other caracters that actor voiced?
Though that imples that half the worlds True Name would be Steve Bloom. 😜
Christian Gillespie I thought frieza was a woman until his final form
@@fnumbuh just listen to the Brasilian version czcams.com/video/s6242lPkcew/video.html, his voice is the only one we agree is better in japanese
You thought he was a woman in his second form?
@@just_xanny2777 I always thought Frieza sounded like an old lady when I was a kid so I always assumed he was a lady.
You should ABSOLUTELY do a Trope Talk on Combat Therapy
Carolyn Tellier that’s something me and my brothers used to do
When i see combat therapy, i quickly remembered a lot of naruto fight scenes where one of the character or maybe both characters starts monologuing about their problems that triggers flashback episode(s) and finally closed with the characters releasing their pent up emotions by screaming their rival's name while unleashing their strongest punch/jutsu/tricks to each other.
If you think about it: monologue about the problem, flashbacks, and finally release the emotional burden, is more or less what you do in therapy session.
Oh Shaman King is good for that!
i am 200% on bord with this
Definitely I’d love to see this
“He kills her. Don’t worry she gets better.” Has the Sam same energy as “she turned me into a newt! ..... I got better.”
Also known as
"Did you die?"
"Sadly, yes... but I LIVED!"
I think this is a case that DragonBall (the original, without any letter after the title) does really well.
The original DragonBall has three World Tournament Arcs, and they each serve an important purpose.
The first one marks the point of transition for the series away from a purely comedy series about a boy with a monkey tail and into a more action oriented show. Also, this is the first time Goku has ever had to actually try in a fight before, with his loss to Roshi in the finals ingraining his want to always get stronger within him.
The second tournament has three major purposes, it shows us that while Goku has gotten a lot stronger, he's not quite "the strongest" yet. It introduces Tien and provides an excellent character arc for him. And it leads directly into the series darkest arc to that point, The King Piccolo Arc.
Finally, the last tournament allows some of the side characters to wrap up their plotlines (and relevance to the franchise), introduces one of the franchise's most important characters in Piccolo Jr and lets Goku finally achieve his goal of being "The Strongest Under the Heavens." marking the end of the original DragonBall and providing a nice transition into his further adventures in Z.
Each arc basically serves as a benchmark for us to see what new tricks our characters have learned and as a launching pad into the series' next stage
I bloody lost it at:
"Sounds like you need therapy. OH I have an idea" XD
So Naruto in a nutshell.
@@nousername191
Naruto: "Sasuke, I'll help you by chasing after you like a madman and breaking all your bones!"
Sasuke: "fuck off".
Midoriya: "Todoroki, I'll help you be giving you some therapy, a pep talk, and by breaking all of my bones!"
Todoroki: "
yes please!"
@@alucard347 Naruto: "Sasuke, I'll help you by chasing after you like a madman and breaking all your bones!"
I mean he SAID that but I'm pretty sure Sasuke broke a LOT more of his bones (and pierced his lungs) during their first Valley of the End fight and whiffed the final hit that could have knocked Sasuke out and prevent him from leaving.
Honestly, I'm still too burnt out by Naruto to engage in serious debates about it.
If Red wasn't going so fast on this topic, I would be right there with you.
@@nousername191 yeah, you are right, but the joke still remain accurate enough.
Midoriya: I think you need therapy...
Midoriya: 🤔
Midoriya: 😃
...
🏥 🚑🚑🚑
... You're not wrong.
You got me, haha
Regular battle therapy anime scene: “I’L BREAK ALL OF YOUR BONES SO YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL”
Midoriya: “I’L BREAK ALL OF _MY_ BONES SO YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL”
lol
Villain: "I WILL DESTROY YOU!!!"
Deku: *[INITIATING SELF-DESTRUCT SEQUENCE]*
Rewatching a lot of the older trope talks. Can I just say, Red, your background music choice is *perfect*?
It sets an emotional tone for the episode while still being very much in the background; not too loud to give away the emotional theme you're going for, but just loud enough and pervasive to keep it going. Nice!
I think my favorite part about the MHA Deku vs Todoroki is that there's the whole metaphor going on with Deku literally breaking his fucking bones just to keep up with everyone and meanwhile Todoroki is trying to win by coasting because of personal issues. Since Deku was someone who obtained his power by general happenstance, seeing someone sully themselves in that matter would probably be infuriating. Of course it's not really depicted as anger, but you can see him be frustrated. If he was going to lose, it wasn't going to be in a half assed manner, and if he can help out someone in addition, bonus points
Man, that Uraraka v Bakugo fight was awesome, I mean, she still didn't have a chance to the powerhouse that is Bakugo, but still, damn...
And unlike in many other shounen series, the rival doesn't go "You're weakling, lol". Bakugou very much recognizes how strong Uraka is and how much effort she put into the fight. He might have more respect for her than Shouto at the end of the tournament, since Shouto held back and let him win, while Uraka came at him with everything she got.
@@Mandemon1990 The best thing is that Bakugou almost NEVER addresses people by their name. His classmates get insulting nicknames and the only people he calls by name are the people he truly acknowledges. And that's only his pal Kirishima and his idol All-Might.
But at the end of the fight against Uraraka, he calls her by her actual name. Which is basically Bakugou saying "I accept you as an equal on the battlefield".
He knew that he would lose if she only touches him. She came close twice and almost wiped him out without relying on the ring-out. If he didn't have great reactions AND massive firepower, the fight would not have ended in his favour. He respected her abilities before and during the fight. But he showed his respect for HER at the end of the fight by calling her "Uraraka".
By far my favourite fight because Uraraka won Bakugou's respect which is a more difficult thing to obtain than a victory against him.
MelvaCross bakugo is my favorite character and this is definitely one of his best character moments. Uraraka gets slept on in universe because she is a cute girl but she’s actually one of the most dangerous in class 1-A and is focused mostly on improving and we see her doing it
The Bakugou vs Todoroki fight is noce because while Bakugou saw it as “if Todoroki used his flames he would’ve won”, Todoroki realized “I can’t beat Bakugou (or Midoriya) without my flames”. It goes to what Midoriya said about how foolish Todoroki was to believe that he could be #1 hero with just half his power.
Rowdy Rob Gaming yeah in the provisional exam to get into the school she got the third best score behind Bakugo and Iida
Well, I was going to put the obligatory... (Ahem)
TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURNAMEEEEEEEEEENT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARC!!!
But then the opening of the video was... Yikes! lol
I see a gigguk reference and i like hehe
STRUCTURED SERIES OF INDIVIDUAL FIGHTS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARC!
Anime is trash and so am I ! But you know what isn’t trash TOOOOOOOOOOOUIUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRNAMENTTTTTTTTTTTT
AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRCCCCCCCC
Ah, (wo)men of culture I see.
This was my first thought to and I'm glad someone thought of it to
Black Clover’s tournament arc is great, especially since it focuses and giving us great team matches we wouldn’t see otherwise. Plus there was Finral vs Langris and the Black Bulls to the rescue scene which is iconic af.
The Tournament Arc: babby's first threat progression: a simplified and explicitly structured series of encounters with opponents of increasing levels of skill and determination to win. An easy to execute and endlessly adaptable storytelling format for budding manga artists and writers to train their skills on.
Red’s impression of Bakugo has me LIVING I thought that was actually him for a hot sec
I am totally imagining how Red would react if she attended a My Hero Academia convention and VA panel. Particularly if she gets to meet Bakugo's American VA.
@@nataleynakata3687 *syncronized screaming at Deku’s voice actor*
I remember sitting mouth agape when Deku was knocked out of the tournament. I was shocked. Got my kids watching the show just to get thier reactions. Priceless seeing a 10 old shout, "The main guy can't lose!"
But he won, by learning to lilit his power to a lesser self destructive degree. And was the moral victor by saving todoriko. He was the winner, in life. Both were.
I watch pokemon when young, and i remember when Ash lost his Jotho league. That lost is crushing me, since im very hyped for Ash to finally win a league (that take him so many episode to reach)
@@arshana4081 but Ash has never won a country league just two tournament
infernovoid Bakugo NEEDED Best Jeanist as a mentor. One of his biggest problems (as a hero, anyway) is that he doesn’t know how to interact properly with civilians or the public. IDK how far along you are in the anime, but the two biggest problems/setbacks he experiences in season 3 happen as a direct consequence of his terrible personality. He really should have taken that internship more seriously.
@infernovoid
Yeah the protagonist losing is very common troupe
I mean almost every anime does it. It is a very good way to give a power up and that motive to your characters.
"A tournament can't just be a bunch of heroes and one main bad guy."
Cell: EXCUSE YOU?
I loved the tournament in Ninjago Season 4. It took enough episodes to flesh out, but didn't eat up the entire season, and it showed relatively early that despite high stakes, failure narratively can still happen, as we see with Cole being taken out of the tournament after having to fight Jay (which is also a conclusion to both their arcs at the time, which I think is beautiful)
Also it doesn't get boring, because 1. Every fight is different, 2. Both the Ninja and Chen cheat, and 3. There's a bunch of Subplots (The senseis and mishako, Nya and Dareth, Cole, Karlof and Zane and trying to find Chen's spy)
I made a video breaking down my thoughts on the Tournament of Elements, along with a bunch of other tournament arcs I really like. Short version:
Love the story and the structure, Chen is the best villain in the series to date, the action kinda suffers which keeps it pretty low on the list, Skylor best girl.
“...because he kills her!
She gets better though...”
*Red uses DBZ Abridged clip*
I see you're a woman of culture too
yes i had the same thought XD This is so amazing
I squealed a little bit XD
You are not dealing with the average woman of cultre anymore!
Also the pacific rim clips were fun :)
I watched all the way to gokus death and I was unhappy at losing my precious little retardo, Goku will forever be in my heart TwT and from what I could hear(been a long time since I've seen DBZ abridged) I think trunks said "Either save the world or stop hinting it on death matches!!" I may be wrong -w-
@@Phantasmagora More accurately, it's "Either loosen your moral code, or stop hinging the fate of the world on *DEATH MATCHES!"*
I just want to point out that this is the video that got me to watch both My Hero Academia and Yu Yu Hakusho (both are amazing btw)
Ninjago explored this option, and it was actually a surprise when it looked like the villain had won. sure it was temporary, but it was a surprise nonetheless.
I made a video breaking down my thoughts on the Tournament of Elements, along with a bunch of other tournament arcs I really like. Short version:
Love the story and the structure, Chen is the best villain in the series to date, the action kinda suffers which keeps it pretty low on the list, Skylor best girl.
I love how there is a pause in the beginning, and I literally predicted the use of the giant robots. You just know Red is gonna say something "controversial".
“It’s tough being the rival when you think you’re the protagonist.”
Swap “rival” out for “a normal person” and you’ve got a *lot* of people’s lives.
i don't think that most people think that they are the protagonist by mabey a protagonist
Everyone is the protagonist of their own story. But also the price of entry to be a protagonist in the real world is to be very, very rich.
@@thrownstair or ungodly lucky
"Man I hope it stays good"
me too kid, me too
My favourite Ninjago arc was the tournament arc, absolutely stellar
Anime: Season-long tournament arc
WWE: THE TOURNAMENT NEVER ENDS!
Reminds me of TNA back in the day. They would fight... for no reason but it was still important guys. When they finally did have a tournament I could actually grasp the impact of a win / loss.
Nah, there were just a shitload of new tournaments that would climax at the PPV events. Wanna see how this male soap opera gets resolved? Well, all you have to do is pay 20-40 dollars to temporarily unlock that channel with the scrambled footage. Or you "could" wait until the episode after the event where the wrestlers monologue and expo dump/gloat like crazy. Or you could spend even more money to watch it in person. The circus is in town!
@@darwinxavier3516 nahh i like to watch REAL fighting like Avengers and John Wick, better than fake WWE...
STEEL CAGE DEATH MATCH
WWE is the most over the top shounen anime ever.
the way you pacific rim clips to convey the emotions of the comment sections are amazing
After Red coughed and said "oh god" at 16:24 I immediately got an ad for soda. Sometimes CZcams just gets it right.
I think Uraraka and Bakugo’s fight in the tournament was kinda cool because we thought that she would win not because of how powerful she was at that point compared to bakugo, but rather because we are just used to the less powerful person to win just because we like that stuff and see it a lot in media. But bakugo wins, and even still it’s not entirely a win for him as the crowd really liked Uraraka and they got to see how capable she was and most of all how smart she was. Idk it was just really cool to me.
Hey, I wonder what would happen if you had a show that was 90% tournament arc?
*beyblade theme intensifies*
basically every game driven anime ever, including but not limited to:
+yu-gi-oh!
+beyblade
+bakugan (that was a thing, right?)
Pretty much every cards game in anime and other too like Medabot, B-daman, other fighting involed with beast, etc...
Girls und Panzer is that with tanks
A manga that is ONLY a tournament arc is Record of Ragnarok and it is awesome
@@syabilaazri7834 omg you just reminded me of b daman i used to watch that alot as a kid
The little robot fight sequences whenever Red says something controversial gives me life.
In case anyone forgot, those are from Pacific Rim
Where was it in this episode? I must have skipped over it.
@@knightshade2654 Twice, at the very beginning... when she first kinda disses, then kinda defends tournament arcs as a whole.
@@ashleyholston1058 I love the first few seconds when Red's just looking up and looking like she's thinking "hmm how to phrase this?"
@@knightshade2654 At the very beginning when she says "Tournament arcs are kinda boring." or something to that effect.
The funniest thing about Kuwabara and Younger Toguro is that they both go along with the plan of "fake death" to trick Yusuke for a power up without ever saying anything to eachother. How I imagine it is just that Kuwabara could probably understand what Toguro wants through fighting him, being that he wants to die, and he's not strong enough nor willing to kill him. So Kuwabara just starts overselling and Toguro sees what he's doing and just goes along with it to push Yusuke even more.
Thank you for this video, because I would have not watched Yu Yu Hakusho, and now it is one of my favorite shows
its incredible, i just finished it recently
Just fyi Red: I ALWAYS read the little comments and such you have written with the doodles. Always. I appreciate them.
ME TOO!!!❤❤❤❤
saaaaame! It throws a wrench in my watching though, because I pause so often to read and then often have to go back and rewatch bits because I couldn't piece together what she was saying xD
"Wait! Stop right there! Go back. Zoom and enhance. Okay, pithy comment acknowledged, resume. Wait! Stop right there! Go back..."
Gives the videos layers and more rewatch value. And the characters are cute.
@@SandsBuisle lol yup
*TOURNAMENT ARCCCCCC!!!!*
Red: Tournament Arcs are kinda boring
Me: Ohh (Sad whisper) but but tournament arc * sniffles wipes tear. *
I usually like them too
But then I heard her say that My Hero Academia did it well and then all was good
@@acheerfullittlenerd9000 Same, though would really like to hear her opinions on Hunter x Hunter kind of tournament arc(s?)
She said she like them as well, in fact her opinion (as it often is) is rather nuanced
NoraNeko I know just made a joke
I feel like the my hero tournament really shows the merit of a relatively low-stakes tournament, if midoriya had to win the tournament to survive or save someone, the twists of that tournament wouldn't have worked out.
it kinda says something that of my six favourite tournament arcs, only one has life or death stakes.
with that said Squid Game is actually my second favourite tournament of all time.
17:37 Watched this video before and slightly remembered what you said about Bakugo vs Uraraka, some time passed and I watched their fight in the show just now and I seen that scene of the homeroom teacher defending them both and was trying hard to remember which video of yours I heard you mention this in and I’m glad I found it. MHA writing is pretty damn good so far
Anime catches up to Manga...
Manga in hiatus...
Anime writer sweats...
Thinks...
"TOURNAMENT ARC!!!! TOURNAMENT ARC!!!!!!"
*Gigguk*
*Gigguk for days*
And thanks to that mentality we have One Piece's Davy Back filler arc, which caused so much physical pain (mostly from face-palming) the first time I watched it I have made a point of skipping whenever I rewatch.
@@willieoelkers5568 that arc is in the manga bro. Maybe you are thinking of something else, because I switched to the manga after Alabasta.
@@thomasffrench3639 Eh, it was drawn out and pointless so I assumed it was filler.
@@willieoelkers5568 I liked it in the manga well enough, but it’s a different experience, so I get that it might not have worked in the anime. The Davy Back is referenced later in the series so it establishes something in canon
My favorite trope in fiction is the whole "You're not going to pull the trigg-" **BOOM!**
Although now that I think about, it's more of a subversion of the reluctant hero holding someone at gunpoint.
Is that really a trope? I can only think of like...3 ...examples, not all of which are actual triggers, just the moment of doubting the seriousness/conviction of a rival character.
kungfuskull I think it was meant to be a joke but yeah I get what you mean.
@@alexross1816 Or in Red vs Blue, when South says, "Oh come on, Wash. What are you gonna do, shoot m-" BANG. And Wash replies, "Yes. Good idea."
There’s a subversion I enjoyed in the first Ciaphas Cain book.
“You’re not going to shoot”
“I’ll totally shoot”
“No you won’t, it will alert the HORDE OF MURDEROUS ALIENS right over there, and you’ll die along with us.”
“... ok, good point, I’m leaving now.”
@@timsmith618 Or in Hellsing Ultimate, where the "CM;HB" villain Schrodinger taunts the "Too Old For This" boss Integra. Integra, completely stoic and sudden, just caps Schrodinger with a .357 round!
Tournament of elements from ninjago is great in this regard to how much it expanded the greater world of ninjago
When I watching the tournament I was like "meh, I know Midoriya will win, so I can skip around a bit" got to the point where they announced the winner of the round and I was like "Hold up I need to go back!!!" Cuz damn did they make it interesting
I was super glad Midoriya lost, because at the time of the arc, he wasn't the strongest character in the tournament, and I think Midoriya winning this would have felt super cheap. The results of the tourney, aside from all the character development everyone got, really hammered down a status quo that set up the next season that was pretty internally consistent.
Bakugo and Shoto are the powerhouses of the class, with Shoto being the strongest student, but only if he doesn't hold back. Bakugo, meanwhile, was much closer to Shoto in power level than the two were at the start of the show, which means if the status quo continues, Bakugo could easily surpass Shoto someday.
Midoriya's quirk is obviously the one with the most potential power, but until he learns to control it, every fight he's in will hurt him significantly, and he can't keep up the status quo forever or he'll become useless. A tournament arc with relatively low stakes is a good way to show that he's not entirely there yet, because he can lose without dramatic world consequences.
Ochako is really smart and really strong, but not quite at the level of the two powerhouses of class 1A. Still, she's not going to be a pushover in future episodes, and sets herself up as a supporting character who hopefully will not just be a damsel in distress when things get tough.
All in all, the results of the tournament felt right and very consistent with everything we were told before, and the journey was pretty great.
Maybe you could talk about the “lost in another world” trope. Like whenever a character is transported to another dimension or sucked into a video game
So, every Isekai?
Hunter X Hunter did a great arc about that.
Every Isekai ever wants to: *_KNOW YOUR LOCATION_*
“Kagome!”
“Inuyasha!”
*repeat*
@@dragonwithamonocle well actually, not really. only sort of. greed island was not really a video game but actually a real place in HxH universe. Genei ryodan members actually realized that they were in the real world and actually reached the island using a boat. But they got ejected from the island by a friend of Jin.
So if tournament arcs are best used for character arcs and development, that means you could technically have a tournament arc without fighting! A speed-dating tournament arc, a cooking competition, or even like a bowling tournament arc!
Of course you can,have ever watched Prince of tennis or Kuroko no Basket ?.
Ironically, a cooking competition tournament arc is essentially what the Food Wars anime is.
@@zusfrankenstein8561 and it is glorious
@@samuelmoon9776 I recommended Foods Wars to my boyfriends son a year ago. My boyfriend still hasn't forgiven me. lol
@@cmaej28 How old is he?
Can I just talk about how amazing Kuabara's fake-out death was at the end of the tournament?! The main bad-guy, who is super brutal and ruthlessly kills every opponent somehow decides to wordlessly pretend to kill Kuabara, and Kuabara decides to play along, despite not even fainting from the attack. He just plays dead during the entirety of the rest of the boss fight.
Having recently rewatched RWBY, I like its Tournament arc. It's used mostly for new characters, foreshadowing the enemies, and a lot is going on in the background that has nothing to do with the Tourney itself. Keeps things interesting.
I have gained a new favourite term.
"Lingerie Model from Hell"
Ah, lingerie model from hell, aka my ex...
Isn't that just your typical succubus?
@@Andri474 if demon, yes, if not, WHFB Witch elf?
*_Top 10 Anime Tournament Arcs_*
*Number 1:* CAN WE JUST SETTLE THIS OVER A PINT?
Accidentally starts a drinking contest tournament.
Mr. Friendship the one with the best soundtrack *blasts Joan Jett*
@@Bluecho4 beerfest
*queue bad reputation*
@@Bluecho4 I can think of plenty of shows where that battle would be ridiculous, including Naruto and Fairy Tail
Could you imagine how cool it would be if montages worked in real life.
When i read the title I imediatly thought of ninjago and its like the first example of what it can do good because it introduces a lot more of elemental masters
These need more Red songs. Who wouldn't want to hear Red singing anime themes?
Even if I don't particularly like the video (and with this channel it's a rare occurence), a song at the end is an auto-like out of principle. She has an awesome singing voice, yo.
I want to hear Red sing stand proud
Red has a beautiful voice. I'm calling for a full album with nothing but red's beautiful voice.
@@Duane_Grabert That would get in the way of normal OSP stuff. I guess one could collect all the songs that she does throughout everyday video production and compile them into a playlist though.
@@Duane_Grabert You ain't the first, a compilation of her stuff from the end of the videos would be nice.
Gigguk be like: TOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUURNEMEEEEEEEEEEENT ARC!!!!
Intro...
Gigguk:
Anime is trash,and so am i.
Seriously I would pay for a collab between those two. Red and Gigguk I dont think it would be funny just really interesting
Cue easy lover by phil collins
An ark is like Noah's Ark, it's a vehicle (often a ship) that carries passengers. An arc is a curved shape or line, or a trajectory for a character or plot in a piece of media.
@@redhood5264 Yeah, upping this idea, because OMG!! They have such disparate styles, but they could make beautiful analytical music together!!
Arc* bruh it was in the title
"Either drop your moral code or stop staging the fate of the world on death matches!" DBZA is so funny
@Overly Sarcastic Productions I haven't been watching My Hero Academia, but I watched this video last week and decided to give it a chance. By the end of episode 13 I was hooked. Now even knowing how the tournament arc plays out because of this video, it is absolutely electrifying. I think it shows just how well executed this tournament arc is that despite knowing the outcome is going to subvert the trope, it still feels epic. Truly masterful. Thank you for the recommendation!
The plot of Pokémon and Bay-blade is basically one big tournament arc.
Damn, I KNEW that deku was trying to become the next hokage, thanks for confirming
I love yu yu hakisho so much. I grew up on it and it doesn't get talked about enough. Thank you so much for talking about it
Excellent video!
Have you ever considered doing a video on separation arcs? I haven't seen it get talked about too often, but it's surprisingly fun seeing the cast separated while exploring new parts of their world. If randomly divided into groups, it's interesting seeing the new team dynamic or buddy system that comes out of it. Conversely, if a character is on their own, it's nice to see how they handle things without their "team" around.