Trope Talk: Superpowered Evil Sides
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They're dark! They're edgy! They're an easy way to give an otherwise inoffensive heroic type some Depth! Let's talk about those unappreciated B-sides of the world of fiction, the Superpowered Evil Side!
Who's your favorite S.E.S.? Least favorite? Discuss!
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"Who are you!?"
"I'm you, but black and red..."
"Yay he's back to normal!"
"How can you tell?"
"He has a brighter color scheme again!"
Shadow the Hedgehog
Fate/Apochrypa in a nutshell.
@@sociallyacceptablepi7449 how?
Evil Ryu.
"Who are you?"
"I am you, but stronger and edgier"
Oh hi there, suprise you didnt comment 2 days ago
Or "I am you, but the writer left their 14 year old alone with the script."
Basically calliburn to excalibur
Nice pfp
Ah the exact description of shadow the hedgehog
There's another way for the Split Personality variant to be unusable in a fight: it can just say "No" when the character tries to call upon them.
Sakuna be like
Infinity war hulk be like
shoot, I think red saw this before she wrote chapter sixteen for Aurora
Lmaoooo Naruto be like
The Owl Beast in Eclipse Lake
A surprisingly common "super powered evil side" trope I've seen is "the evil side was you the whole time and it was only evil because you treated it like it was evil" which is usually either really good or really bad.
can you share examples? I know Naruto does it but maybe you have other recs? :)
@@nausicaa70 Closest I can think of is Layton Brothers: Mystery Room which I enjoyed personally but might not be for everyone
@@nausicaa70Mob Psycho does this really well. The whole series is spent with Mob pretty terrified of his powers (or rather, or hurting people with his powers), so he keeps them bottled up until he explodes. But in season 3 his powers are revealed to have basically gained their own personality that only shows up when he gets overly emotional, and since no one can stop Mob when he’s like that, everyone gets destroyed pretty easily. The only way to beat him was for Mob to accept his powers as part of himself
I think of Badeline from Celeste in that regard, though she's more of a separate persona.
White from bleach
"Anyone and their six year old can turn Super Saiyan." The amount of truth in that sentence is hilarious.
wElL aCtUaLlY gOtEn AnD tRuNkS wErE pRoBaBlY aRoUnD 7 wHiCh MaKeS iT tOtAlLy DiFfErEnT
@@user-me5fh3yu1j da fuk
Hey, just Saiyan.
Super Saiyan bargain sale
@@thatguy2756 legendary line lol
"...he's got like two brain cells, and one of them spends all its time pinging between the receptors for food, fighting and friendship"
Best.
Line.
Ever.
The other one just lives at fighting permanently.
Hey, those are all f words, I wonder if there's another f word that could occupy his time.
*Chichi yandere senses activate*
@@Midsomnyx Pretty sure there is not.
@@sayerglasgow115 - Remember kids, “marriage” is something you eat!
You should watch dbza goku has even less
Fun fact: in an interview, Akira Toriyama admitted to actually forgetting that Super Saiyan 2 was a thing because of how similar it was - both visually and narratively - to the first Super Saiyan and basically only mattered briefly for Gohan, and never ever again.
Yep. This is why Super Saiyan 3 even exists. On the other hand, that doesn't really say what you seem to think it did about Super Saiyan 2 - that Akira Toriyama forgot something he wrote doesn't actually say much about that thing at all. He's forgotten major plot points, secondary characters, basic worldbuilding he established a few years prior, etc, because he writes by the seat of his pants and pays very little attention along the way. Super Saiyan 2's forgettable, but Toriyama having forgotten it is not evidence of this; there are literally hundreds of millions of people who know more about his series than he does because every major plot thread that moved us emotionally was just something he jotted down in order to pump out another couple of pages on an insane and unsustainable schedule.
Toriyama has created decent art that has inspired countless people. It's just that he's not actually talented and cares way less about that art than everyone else.
Ehhh, I'd argue that. SSJ2 vs. SSJ2 (Majin) Vegeta was an absolutely *badass* fight. And Vegito capped out at SSJ2 (at least in DBZ, anyway) b/c Vegeta couldn't go SSJ3.
@@iusethisnameformygoogleacc1013 I still love the fact he completly forgot about the fact sayians would have tails.
After Gohan and vegeta's defeat I don't believe we EVER saw a tail again. It is kinda hillarious. He even admitted that the reason Gotens and Trunks doesn't have tails is because he completly forgot about that being a thing XD
69. Nice.
@@iusethisnameformygoogleacc1013 you had me until you said he wasn’t talented. He might not really care all too much but that doesn’t discount all the talent the dude has.
Concept: The protag is in the throes of their superpowered evil side. Their love interest goes up to them and tearfully tries to pull them out of it, but to no avail. All seems lost.
Then their mom walks up, berates them, and sends the superpowered evil side to their room to think about what they did.
The Protag's mum, or the Evil Side's mum.
isn't that just O.k.k.o the first time Turbo shows up?
@@lisabilby2006 It's been a long time since I watched that, but I don't remember KO's mom getting involved with TKO the first time.
You say that as if the protag's mom is alive
Bonus points if it's a Hispanic/Asian mom coming into the room with a chancla/shoe
Or the dreaded Southeast Asian rattan stick 😨
"Aaaah! I'm turning evil"
"John this is the 15th time this week, and it's Tuesday."
Tuesday morning.
ah an unordinary reference? (just guessing cuz of the tuesday)
"John please it's Parent-Teacher interview night, and John Jr. has been failing Math."
Evil John: (Takes a mirror and looks at his reflection) "John, what the heck."
"John, eat a Snickers. You're not yourself when you're hungry."
@@korok1649 yeeeessssss so glad to see another Unordinary fan! Hope you're enjoying the current season as much as I am lol
*"Most Shonen anime fight are basically mashing two action figures together until one buckles."*
Yeah that's pretty much it.
Don't forget all the shouting.
Calling out the names of your moves so the other guy has a chance to counter
@@theunknownone5990 And then, when you've got your opponent pinned down, instead of finishing them, explain in detail how the move you just used works.
Even the part where it stops when someone loses a limb :o
And I love it
I've always loved it when some writers give this powerful good point. like "Bitch it's MY body too, do you know what it's like to be locked in this place... sure I can summon things at will, but I need a social life too!"
Most of it is for comedy, but it's funny.
This just makes me think of the scene before Piccolo and Kami fuze (specifically in the Dragon Ball Z *Abridged*)
Anyone else?
@Russell March
“Maybe I’d rather it be destroyed than ever be a part of YOU again!”
“Mom, Dad, please stop fighting.”
That's what they did in O.K. K.O. the MC tried to suppress his evil nature, then tried to constantly divert the evil insurance with a mental play room, and then when he becomes all evil, his evil side misses his good side because it wants to be whole and not ignored
In the Avengers cartoon, Hulk and Bruce Banner make a deal that instead of trying to supress the Hulk, Banner allows him to be out 24/7 and we see Hulk during down time. Part of the deal is however that from time to time, Hulk allows Banner to take over so he can have some peace and quiet.
In The Owl House, Eda's owl beast mode is basically a superpowered evil side, but i really like how they went about it. It is said to be a curse but is presented as as a chronic illness, whether that be physical or mental. It's actually rarely used in fights but it's still scary as heck, because there's no telling when Eda will turn into an owl beast. Eda herself is shown to be scared of it, but her arc is about her accepting the owl beast as part of herself. It's unfortunate and it's inconvenient, hurtful sometimes, but there's no medicine that can cure it entirely. The one she currently takes only keeps it under control, and once she stops being afraid of the curse, it turns into something manageable.
Yeah that was so cool! God i love that show
Very symbolic too Diane intend if I recall for it no cure
04:50 "This is Goku we're talking about. He's got, like, two braincells, and one of them spends all time pinging between the three receptors for Food, Fighting and Friendship".
There you go, Goku's character neatly summarized.
Ah yes the three F's -fur feathers fat- Food, Fighting, Friendship
nah I refuse to believe he's got more than 1
@@violablaire6499 Read the manga, not DBS, not the dumb early american translation.
Goku is a lot master than people seems to remember.
it is pretty sad that because of the terrible american version everyone has so much assumtions about this character
@@naproupi no.
@@naproupi as much as I'm inclined to agree and to avoid getting into a mess, Goku was never that good at anything that wasn't fighting, and he constantly did things that reminded us of this even before dbs. Hell, even _when_ he's fighting he'll every so often do something dumb, such as giving Cell a Senzu bean. Goku was never as smart as people like to think he is
The most suspense Dragon ball has these days is trying to guess the color of the next last minute transformation.
THE TRUTH BURNS MY CHILDHOOD MEMORIES "HHHIIIIIISSSSSSSSS"
Hahahahha
The pain... It hurts....
Or what bullshit power level the characters will achieve after just screaming.
And the name, don’t forget the names
I have this weird idea:
What about a superpowered good side?
Like the main character is a jerk or at least aphathy, they want to stay away from trouble. But their alternate side is the exact opposite with hero complex, getting them both into multiple troubles and injuries sometimes while building up a good reputation (which can also be bad as the villians would want to get rid of them)
So they both struggle to take control whenever problems happen as one want to run away and be safe while the other eager to take down any bad guys responsible. Conflicts can happen because some might recognize them but mistaken their good side with their apathy side
Interesting
or maybe the heroes try to exploit the superpowered good side of the villain and draw it out to reform the villain, but have to deal with the ethical ramifications of trapping them in their own mind and letting a new personality take them over
@@flamingpi2245 Mr. Tinker?
@@wildfire9280
Idk what that is
Oh it’s a sonic thing
Yeah I guess like that, though less amnesia, more insidiously growing viral alter ego
I get this I understand everything now. This power is boiling with in me! ANH! Good God! What have I done? I helped those poor innocent children from the diabolical robber who is just like me. I MUST be good now! Jesus Christ would like to know: your location.
I would consider the Avatar State from Avatar in this. When Ozai activates it, Aang starts absolutely destroying him, but the conflict begins to be that Aang could kill Ozai, something he specifically avoided. The Avatar state begins to be the villain in the scene by contrasting Aang’s hard morals.
It was only "evil" to Aang because of his strict sense or morality. To someone more flexible in the morals department, like Kyoshi or Roku, it was just a power up.
Yeah, the Avatar state is an interesting superpowered evil side because it's only "evil" to certain people. The only reason it was scary and evil to Aang was because of his moral compass and how he hated getting someone hurt because of his emotional turmoil.
@@legomaniac213 well, if he's around only enemies then yeah it's not evil. Uncontrolled Avatar State is basically a natural disaster, so anyone around is kinda fucked
Let’s be real here, it’s mostly probably Kyoshi’s murder happy attitude clashing with Aang’s morals.
Also The Incredible Hulk in the animated movie Ultimate Avengers is essentially Dr. Banner’s superpowered evil side
pls talk about "Evil Harems" where every villain ends up having a redemption arc and joining the good guys through the power of friendship until in the last season the ex-villains outnumber the original good guy gang.
*cough* fairytale *cough*
I think she talked about it in her reformed villains video
Did someone say Steven Universe?
I hear DiU in the distance
@@dysfunctionalcaterpillar790 Does anyone think they are a main character!
* Everyone raises hand *
I didn’t know why I thought that would work.
“Who are you?”
“I’m you but when *my* mum died I went with a black colour scheme
Light mode meets dark mode
Black and white:Who are you?
Gray:I'm you guys but better
I am zangetsu
Just once I'd like to see "I'm not you, we're 2 people and I just want you to stop locking me away to deal with all the trauma."
I was thinking, by comparison, the second season obtaining Excalibur makes the sword into a butter knife as far as effectiveness. But now I want to see King Arthur holding a butter knife as bravely as he held Excalibur
a plottwist where Excalibur's true form is a butter knife but actually slice reality itself like butter as long as Arthur himself view what he cuts as butter
That kind of confidence is the mark of true king
when you're so wildly op reality is scared to see you pick up a butterknife. XD
@@yep1486 tbh i could see this happening in a doom patrol comic and it wouldnt feel out of place
169 nice.
Also, apparently the effectiveness of a sword in the 300s was alike a butter knife (or worse)
This trope is a dirty pleasure of mine. Jacks "ripper mode" in metal gear rising is so hilarious and over the top, it makes me laugh all the time xD
Metal gear rising is, *mwah*, chefs kiss for over the topness.
TURN OFF MY TROPE INHIBITORS
Im sorry they did NOT name it that. They fucking did not I will not believe it
@@plazma0325 they did
@@pantpocket1741 like he's actually jack the ripper? I see, I thought the character was just named Jack and the devs thought it would be funny lol
Raven from Teen Titans, where her superpowered evil side is so evil and so powerful that it needs to be avoided at all costs even at the risk of losing, and is central to her character arc
Sean Harris except the comics is the canon material and not the animated series like teen titans.
@@shikigranbell7608
I’m not really sure what that has to do with what he said? If he’s talking about the animated series, then that’s what he’s talking about, there’s no point to bring up the comics since Red uses all forms of media.
Also even in the comics Raven is still host to her evil Trigon dominated side and still can never afford to give herself over to it
@@shikigranbell7608 You're wrong anyway.
DC has released a statement outright telling us that it is ALL canon.
Multiverse, my dude, every story that happens in all of DC media is canon somewhere in the DC multiverse.
@@shikigranbell7608 OP didn't even specify whether it was the comics or the show that was being discussed and just said "Teen Titans" which can refer to either.
This is a lot like the psychologist Carl Jung’s theory of the shadow. The best I can explain it is that everyone has dark traits that is suppressed due to socialisation. We our dark traits can leak out in hypocritical or antisocial behaviours and we have to try to intergrate our shadow selves to be self repressed and more aware and in control of our selves
I just realized that for the first 2 seasons of the avatar, the avatar state was basically a superpowered evil side.
The Avatar State is not so much 'evil' as 'lizard brain pragmaticism'. The part that goes "hey maybe we should make sure there isn't collateral damage" goes quiet and the part that goes "THING BAD CRUSH IT NOW CRUSH CRUSH CRUSH" gets very loud.
So more 'Captain Planet Hulk' than actually 'Evil'
Superpowered Evil Side doesn't actually need to be "Evil." It could just be the powerup that is relys on the persons instincts.
It does when Kyoshi takes over.
@@johnnychopsocky wonderfully accurate description
More lawful neutral but i get where you're coming from.
I want to see a story where all of the main characters (heroes AND villains) have superpowered evil sides, but each one has a different type.
Alternatively, the main hero has like 8 different superpowered evil sides all vying for control.
some are gonna have to have simular ones
also I can kinda see the 8 evil sides of the Mc as his/her past lives trying to come back to return themself to the world of the living but they all had choosen the same reincarnation so they all try to put in as much of their power as possible to be the dominante one when they got the protagonist out of the picture, meaning everytime the Mc goes evil side he/she has the risk of getting their body and soul broken
@@yep1486 thats actually a great idea
I've got something a little like that with one dude essentially being able to absorb evil spirits, but that's a REALLY terrible idea, as in my setting a spirit with a defined personality and/or a high power level has those traits because their will and sense of self are strong, so they're not going to just sit there without a fight, and trying to grab one with a stronger will is basically just saying "please possess me." Dude's barely holding it together with three, and that only worked cause the first two hate each other and are more interested in fighting each other than the guy who absorbed them. If they teamed up the dude would go down pretty easily
The main character of the webcomic Twokinds has, well, two super powered evil sides. First, an amnesia-style old-me-was-an-asshole type bent on world domination and uncaring of his current friends (mostly a power-up because he actually remembers how to use his magic effectively). Second, a corruptive type caused by using black magic; interestingly, while like this he still retains his feelings for his friends and loved ones... at least for a while, since if the fight drags on too long he starts caring more about the power he now has access to than the reason he originally needed it.
The last one is just Bruce Banner. The man needs help. And a therapist.
My favorite way to fix power creep, specifically item power creep, is item _combos._ Excalibur is a great sword, but this new bad guy is faster than you are and kicks your ass before you can swing it. However, there's this legendary shield out there you can use to block that first attack, which otherwise has a long recharge, so you can get your hits in. A shield on its own doesn't replace a sword. And having it now doesn't make getting the sword first less important. The second item either just boosts the power of the first one, adds a separate aspect that improves the general function of having it, or adds some secondary effect that's really situational. This whetstone sharpens Excalibur to a beyond divine edge. This bone scabbard allows Excalibur to command the undead- which has never been a needed function until this specific arc against the necromancer. And the shield thing. None of these are better than Excalibur, and they all require Excalibur to produce the power up, so you still need to have gotten Excalibur 3 seasons ago. But having them also explicitly makes Excalibur much more powerful.
What about another way ?
You use Excalibur against the bad guy but to be able to kill him, you have to destroy Excalibur (which causes a large release of magic). So the next bad guy shows up, he is less powerful than the precedent but now that you don't have Excalibur, this guy is a serious threat. So you have to find another magical object to help you but this object is weaker than Excalibur.
The first quest for Excalibur seems worth it because your team headed directly for the most powerful items but you need another one because you destroy it.
Another one I heard is along the lines of ‘Excalibur is the only thing that can beat bad guy 1, but it’s useless against bg2 because different rules. You need a different weapon because Excalibur wasn’t built for this guy. Can’t play chess the same way you play charades. And now he’s onto you and upping his game since you killed bg1.’
@@LoneSilverW0lf That still runs into similar issues, especially if Excalibur is talked up as all that in S1 and now the S2 BBEG just no-selled it in the first episode or two. “It only works once” is generally a bad play unless it was revealed ahead of time, since otherwise the audience is still going to feel somewhat cheated on their original investment
@@willieoelkers5568 I was thinking more along the lines of ‘one key per lock’ kind of deal. Baldur could only be felled by mistletoe, Achilles had his heel, one East Asian story had a guy with a leaf on his back as his only weak spot, and so on.
@@LoneSilverW0lf That's a kryptonite factor, which is a completely separate deal.
Plot twist: this vid was made by Red's Evil side without Red knowing
But isn’t she Blue’s Super Powered Evil side?
@@InquisitorThomas be interesting to have an evil side be a different gender than the main person so a love interest cant really snap them out of it.
@@TJTrickster the best friend could suddenly become the love interest of the evil side
that could have an interesting outcome
@@TJTrickster Laughs in bisexual. Also would be better if they did this with any knowledge of real plural systems, most of the time we have different genders, core values, likes, dislikes, sexualities, species etc.
@@stevenmichel7270 Uuhh, that would be amazing. And then starts a love story between the best friend and the evil side, the best friend wants to see the evil side more, rejecting the protagonist. The protagonist then becomes evil because he's not considered anymore and is recluded in his own mind
15:54
Friend: "Please stop it! We're friends!"
Hero: *keeps punching*
Love interest: "Noooooo I love you!"
Hero: *snaps out of it*
Friend: "Oh am I not good enough for you?"
Hero: I could bring him back, you know.
Let's flip this around: The main character has a crush on some girl, but he doesn't know her well enough, so she can't do crap, but his childhood friend gets the job done. Like
Hero: *goes nuts*
Crush: "Step aside, I have to -" *gets hurled into the nearest object by rampaging hero*
Childhood Friend: "Yeah, you're never getting anywhere with her like that."
Hero: *calms down due to hearing the familiar voice*
The power of boners is stronger than the power of love
One bro talking his homie down from a murderous rampage, five feet away because they're not gay.
Actually, hero can return to normal without love interest can happen. One of the way is the villian accidenty say a trigger word or the hero got hit at the head and faint
I actually would like to see a version of the Superpowered evil side where its a separate personality but both sides actually worked together an agreement of sorts where said evil side gets to come out for fights but otherwise is like a fun colorful commentator in our protagonists head
So the Venom movies basically
@@chocochipjewel ya
There’s a lot of Bleach and Naruto fix-it fanfics about Exactly This!
Soul Nomad has this exact premise as it's main gimmick.
You host the god of death, Gig, who is, as he puts it "the baddest of the bad, the maddest of the mad, the killer of kings and destroyer of worlds.'
And bro lives up to the hype. He wants your body, but he needs you to agree. So, he offers you a deal. He'll sit back, and if you need power, he'll give it..but every time you do, he takes a little more control.
To the point that the first bad end of the game is giving in, and unleashing a god tier beat down on one of the final bosses.
The entire game is filled with him talking shit too. And occasionally nabbing your body to do shit like shove his favorite food in your mouth.
undertale
I like asura's berserk mode in asura's wrath. Aside from being a reference to the berserker armor from... berserk, the form is accompanied by quiet, sad music in a peaceful style as asura constantly shouts in despair with an echoing filter on his voice.
Having a transformation that's basically an ultra panic attack powered by sorrow is such a breath of fresh air, and shows off how scary super strength can be when it's used to ambush people instead of facing them head-on.
It is especially poetic when they come face to face with Vlitra and it looks just like Asura's Berserk mode. Yasha even says "It looks like you when you're angry"
"underaged girls with quintuple sized G cups"
Alright everyone, pack it up, this is Red's best quote.
Eh fair point
Ah yes, One Piece
@@Kronecraft I love One Piece but those girls’ chests are ridiculous. There’s no spectrum from flat to “wow, that looks uncomfortable”
@@beeflymay Really doesn't help that they generally look like stick figures with skin.
@@Kronecraft i remember when oda used to draw somewhat realistic chests now theyre just enormous
Goku: "I'm gonna break you... like a Kit Kat bar."
What?
@@srjnorth dragon ball z abridged by team 4 star
@@andrewgrayson2007 trust I know, I was finishing the quote 😂
@Waffie The Dweeb but Freeza didn't say Nani
@@srjnorth _What?!?!_
The Ice King is a good example of someone who fell to their super powered evil side and didn't get saved for a very long time
13:48 The best part about Spiderman's symbiote "evilness" justification is that, when it arrived in Earth, it was actually a fully good being, but it got corrupted after merging with Deadpool, and only after that it found Peter Parker. It is, of course, a retcon, but I love it too much not to mention it
I like the rejection version of it where it did take over his body, but generally did things just as it assumed Peter Parker would like. Then because it was rejected after that it became confused and hurt, its primary motivation is mainly getting back at Spiderman for rejecting it and it personally knowing Spiderman gives it a whole nother dimension that made Venom a menace
@@drewlevy9557 Yeah, I call that the "twitter butthurt" version, I don't like it. Venom became a zoomer, got offended because how dare someone else have a different opinion, and started sending death-threats
@@AnyMEmdq I thought it was more like Syndrome
@@drewlevy9557 And Syndrome does fit what I just described perfectly xD
Before it bonded with Deadpool, Venom initially bonded with an insane genocidal alien, so even before the Merc With a Mouth got involved, it was already on its path to becoming the stuff of nightmares.
Another interesting take on this is Aang's Firebending in Avatar: The Last Airbender.
When Aang learning firebending is first discussed and explored, it ends up hurting his love interest in a very traumatizing way because he's so impatient and arrogant about his seeming prowess with the element. Because of this, Aang vows to never use firebending again.
Think about how often Aang using firebending could've saved a lot of time or effort in a fight or scenario, and how much harder the journey was for it.
But then, almost symbolically, best redemption boy Zuko comes along in the latter half of Season 3 and begins training Aang in firebending. But because of the speed bump that is Zuko's flames puttering out, they go to revitalize it in the Sun Temple, and then by the end learn not only the true origin of Firebending, but the beauty and majesty of the element, and how it's *not* just a force of rage, power and evil.
In essence, the arc of Firebending in Avatar is both a redemption arc in and of itself *FOR* a superpowered evil side/ability.
That's a really good point actually, and it dovetails really nicely with the the narrative exploration of the regular citizens in the Fire Nation and with Iroh's lessions that have been getting dropped on Zuko and the audience the whole series.
In some ways, the Avatar state itself is an evil alter Ego for Aang.
Of course, it's not evil, but right up until the end of ATLA, the Avatar state is at odds with Aangs personal code of non-violence.
And thus the drama of him fighting it to regain control is still there.
@@rockyblacksmith The main reason I felt the Avatar State is less of an "evil" side than the element of fire is because throughout most of the series the Firebenders are the main threat and antagonists.
Even the very nature of *learning* it was treated as some forbidden, dangerous technique, to the point that Aang is so horrified by it that he refuses to use it for two whole seasons.
The Avatar State is also treated with some juxtaposition, but ultimately the Gaang aren't nearly as terrified of it, primarily because their circumstances have conditioned them to be more afraid of shooting flames and lightning at people than hurtling rocks or whipping water at them.
That's such a good example it's curious that Red didn't invoke it, as much as she loves ATLA. Then again, that may be WHY she didn't use it: she recognized it as low-hanging fruit and strove to bring in examples from other franchises.
@@TheBrickMasterB That is why I said "in some ways". The Avatar state is not so much the antagonist from the point of view of other characters, but in terms of Aangs internal conflict.
And I'd say one of the core conflicts in the whole series is how Aang is supposed to be protecting others without giving up his own moral code.
The overall conflict is just as much external as internal.
The Fire Nation presents the external antagonist, but his internal antagonist is most prominently represented by the uncontrolled Avatar state.
I just realized that "the Avatar state" is basically a superpowered evil side
Nothing evil about that
@@oldcowbb thats true but in aangs case technically it is evil bc ozai was about to be killed, something aang doesnt wanna do. Going crazy, stomping the bad guy, going “too far” id say it checks all the things superpowered evil sides are typically known for lol
@@oldcowbb umm nope thats considered evil
I mean, you're not really wrong? The Avatar state lets Aang get in touch with all of his past incarnations, so it really isn't an evil side from a narrative perspective. On the other hand, 99% of the people he is contacting want him to outright kill the guy he is fighting, pacifism be damned, and that is certainly evil from Aang's point of view.
@@justinalicea1590 Yeah, the "evil" in the trope name can also be substituted with "chaotic", or for more of a blank check, call it a "dark side" - it's a version of the character which has the same moral ideals but fewer inhibitions when it comes to method - thus, chaotic.
Imagine someone tries to use their Super Powered Evil Side™ but accidentally use their Under Powered Good Side™
*traffic signaler/evacuater intensifies*
I think that’s called not entering a new side
You know what would be awesome, for a change of pace; whenever the hero uses the Superpowered Evilside they get their personality corrupted darker, but the dark side is also forced to mellow out. Something along the lines of
“Dude, you’re buzzing my harsh!”
so eventually they just switch places?
@@flamingpi2245 no more like they even out.
@@christopherfleetwood5252 or more accurately, merge
Fun fact: the symbiotes take on the personality trait of its hosts. The reason the venom symbiote is so evil is because it’s past hosts before peter were a alien warlord and everyone’s favorite merc with the mouth
Yeah anyone would go crazy after reading Deadpool‘s mind
@@Dark_Mage what if Deadpool isn't just a memetic hazard, but a contagious one? Everyone who has contact with his mind becomes insane in the same way he is, and therefore people can catch insanity from them. So the symbiote catches Deadpool-ness, and then leaves a trail of Deadpooled ex-hosts as it moves through the population.
@@diablominero So Deadpool is an SCP
@@Dark_Mage oh god
@@terrace15 Dr Bright and Deadpool
Something I'd like to see one day:
Have a group of heroes, struggling with a villain. One of them (probably the protag) has a superpowered evil side situation, and that pops up and makes the difference in winning the fight (not necessarily winning it solo). The evil side then turns against the other heroes, and _gets utterly stomped_ because the other heroes know the protag's abilities so well, since they've been fighting together for so long. A different kind of power of friendship to fix the evil side issue.
I would love to see a hero come to after an evil transformation thinking they must have done something terrible and wreaked untold havoc before they could be stopped only to find out they got their ass kicked.
@@sayerglasgow115 Just wakes up in a (hospital?) bed all bandaged up.
"Sorry man we didn't know how else to stop you"
@@IceAokiji303 "But how did you defeat me?"
"Uh... It was actually pretty easy dude. Evil you never guards his left side."
"What? Seriously? That's all it took?"
"Yep."
Alternatively, the hero asks a smart ally to come up with a failsafe to stop their evil side should it go rogue.
@@umapessoa240 Hulkbuster?
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Basically:
Noble antagonist: hey I’m here to fight you- woah, jeez seems you aren’t your self
Super powered evil side: was that a threat
Noble antagonist: aw I can’t kill this, it doesn’t really count as the protagonist so I guess I’ll just beat their evil side out of them.
( one epic fight scene later and the hero passed out but back to normal)
Hero’s buddy: thank for saving our frie- wait where you going
Noble antagonist: just because I did this does not convince me, to join your party!
Side party member: why?
Noble antagonist: cause I don’t know if I’m gonna have to deal with that on a daily basis.
A good example of power creep is the Assassins Creed Franchise. It started out as a guy walking around a city and assassinating people while completing tasks, and the final boss was just a normal dude with a magic stick. And now in the recent games, you fight literal mythical creatures and gods, while having a huge map to explore. It’s insane.
Red: "And they never let Gohan do anything cool again"
Why must you hurt me in this way?
This.... this hurts...
Piccolo: You peaked.
@@jouheikisaragi6075 You're kidding! After all that?!
@@arutka2000 Yup.
@@lewisirwin5363 But...but...but, I get stronger right?
Ah, Trope Talk. The best way to start the morning.
Confused me for a second before I realized my country isn't the world.
@@joevenespineli6389 Same, it's 18 p.m. here 😂
It’s 05:30 pm
@@akashijamoka 17pm here in Germany,
Where are you?
Nothing makes a morning better than hot tropes in your cup.
As much as I love Ninjago, what bothers me is that they often forget about the cool power they spent a long time learning. First power that I can remember is the Tornado of creation. I am pretty sure it was only ever used twice despite being really useful. Then the other power up was the "True potential" and it was only ever used once except for Zane who used it twice. With such a dramatic name you would think they would use it more often. But no they don't and they do this all the time. I still love that show no matter how shitty and inconsistent it is.
I mean, they do use their true potential, and all the time too. It's literally just their innate elemental powers, their use of them just isn't as... _explosive_ as it was when it was first used.
Cole actually used it once or twice as well. I specifically remember that he used it to break down the door when Kai locked himself in a room with Lord Garmadon.
That said tho, I do agree with you.
This was amazing in Kim possible. when Ron a dude who always loses turned evil ,and everyone in the series agrees that evil Ron is the most deadly person in the show.
Seriously, I loved those episodes. Monkey style martial arts and Ron’s intelligence without the doubts and morels that hold him back really made Ron a much bigger threat than any other villains that they tangle with. Maybe even worse than those aliens. And the second time it happened, not only did he walk all over a team of more experienced heroes turned bad, he immediately went to use the helmet on Kim. Now that would’ve been something to see.
Power Creep is basically climbing a staircase in a white void. Sure, it would look pretty high up... if the stairs behind you didn't keep disappearing and you suddenly feel like you're about 3 feet off the ground again.
it's pretty similar to the chase for success as a whole. achieving the goal isn't where the meaning comes from, the meaning of the story comes from the connections the hero establishes. If you have a story 100% focused on the goal, it'll be boring. that's why the opposite can be viable, fully character driven. one punch man actually does a great job of providing insight into the character who gets this success. and how it can make them feel empty if there's nothing else to strive for.
it's also deeply rooted in capitalistic profit in the case of games. how can money be made from new stuff if old stuff works better?
@@Author-In-Denial That's how all capitalism works. Unfortunately.
This visualization is scary as hell to me.
Mario staircase loop
I have played games where there is a lot of powercreep, inevitably it gets boring fairly quickly as enemies become so weak theat they are trivial to kill and stop offering any reward.
Books often do it too where a power increase on one side has to be quickly countered by a similar increase on the other to maintain the balance. Eventually they are both incredibly powerful but the writer has lost the plot. Power alone cannot maintain interest.
"Loud glowy auras and a lot more environmental damage"
Most Naruto and DBZ fights in a nutshell.
I’d say most shonen in general really
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Naruto, loosing a fight: "yo nine-tails"
I miss the days when Naruto fights were small scale and tactical =(
@@ieshi23 If it helps, a lot of Boruto fights have tried to go back to that on at least some level. The effectiveness varies, but some of them are really good (Sakura vs Shin Uchiha comes to mind).
I really like JJK's use of this trope, with Sukuna. He's blatantly evil, obviously has his own goals, and the three times he is shown being used are shown to be
1) him being established as "the strongest curse" and then losing to Gojo to establish Gojo as "the strongest sorcerer"
2) to have him brutally assault the deuteragonist, assess his combat ability, and openly state that he wants to use said deuteragonist for his own means.
3) Brutally murdering the 2nd strongest curse that had been revealed until then, saving the deuteragonist from his self sacrifice by defeating the insanely strong monster he summoned (to establish how insanely strong he is) and then killing 200,000 people (to cement how evil he is)
It is hammered into the heads of the manga readers just how strong he is and also how evil he is.
Now I want to see an inversion of this trope where the villain has a superpowered good side. A part of them that knows the villain is heading down a self destructive path and lacks their more destructive tendencies. Making them much more powerful. The issue for the villain is that this side of themselves also surrenders their core motivation, whether that be money, revenge or power because it is ultimately worthless.
So the superpowered good side is the best the villain could be and add a lot of depth
I really wanna see this done, but don't know how it would work.
Ahem. You are clearly forgetting good cop/bad cop in the Lego Movie.
Power Rangers: Dino Thunder
@@sobree9743that’s missing the superpowered part
Ok, but we all know that the best superpowered evil side is Josuke when someone insults his hair.
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Dude straight up couldn't be affected by Heaven's Door because he didn't care about anything but what Rohan said about his hair.
@@jacktheripper7735 literally blinded by rage.
Sad i didn't see my childhood intro to this trope: Raven's evil side UNLEASHING on Dr Light in an early teen titans episode, and the subsequent journey through her mind by cyborg and beast boy.
That one was more original because it involved BB and Cyborg instead of Raven alone
Raven's more an example of Bad Powers Good Person
Raven is interesting because while it does seem like she has an evil powerup side, she doesn't use it. The only times it comes out are when she loses control, and then she represses it quickly. She even lost her fight with Terra because she was spending so much effort suppressing her evil side that she couldn't fight as effectively. She basically chose to lose and possibly die rather than give in to it.
It's also interesting that she seems to have the somewhat more rare GOOD powerup side.
@@sayerglasgow115 It's part of why she's one of my all time favorite characters. Her power is connected to her emotions, but is so volatile that she represses all emotions and she's genuinely terrifying when she loses that control.
As a Neuro divergent kid that struggled with repressing negative emotion until it exploded, I related. I didn't realize that until today. It was helpful to have a hero who wasn't all happiness and rainbows, that had a dark side but was still GOOD.
Ahem, sorry for the impromptu therapy session. Such a good show. It's fun to have people talk about it!
That freaking terrified me when I saw it
Also, doesn’t she also have a light side?
Jujutsu Kaisen does this trope by giving the "Evil" in "Super Powered Evil Side" thirteen asterisks and an underline for extra emphasis. When Sukuna comes out, there *is* the temporary "wow, the villain is dead, yay!" factor, but Sukuna also makes sure to be as evil as possible before he can be circumvented. The powers granted by Sukuna always come with more downsides than upsides and i LOVE jjk for it
There's actually a fun subversion of the "love interest snaps protagonist out of evilness after the best friend fails" in Attack on Titan where it's Armin (the best friend character) who snaps Eren out of his evilness (Titan form) after Mikasa (the love interest) fails to.
Hell if you want to take it a step further you could argue it may have been Mikasa herself who made him slip into an uncontrollable state, but that's just speculation on my part.
Who wants Red to do a Trope Talk on the “Orphans” Trope, the “Hidden Message” Trope, the “Sympathetic Villain” Trope or the “Next Generation” Trope (just to unbrainwash the people who think the trope is makes NG characters clones of their parent/parents)
She already covered Next Generation in her “Sequels” video.
@@BlackCover95 thanks for reminding me
I would also like to see a "Revenge" Trope.
I really want her to do the "Thou Shalt Not Kill" trope
Death Traps is what I want to see, personally.
What about the Hulk?
He is basically a character who IS the super power evil side.
Yes, I was just reading through the comments to see whether I was alone with that question. :-)
I'm not a guy who reads comics, so please excuse my naivity, but why is The Hulk considered evil? Only because Banner needed to get angry for his transformation, right? Anger is the "fuel" to stay Hulk and to power up even more while at the same time losing control hover himself. Anger usually is a negative trait, especially when heroes give into it, which makes The Hulk a tainted persona, but not an outright villain. Over time the emotional distress necessary for the transformation got lost, I feel. Now The Hulk is there and does whatever is needed. He even cooperates with other heroes, follows plans in strategic battles and clearly is in control of his thoughts, which is a far cry from his origins (to crush anything that pisses him of in some way).
@@ssafjee The Hulk has gone through a whole lot of iterations and one of the early ones, was indeed more or less evil. SF Debris has been doing a pretty good video series, covering the history of the character and his evolution
Originally yes the hulk was a super powered evil side. This stems from the inspiration of the character. The strange case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. You see the hulk is basically all the anger, resentment, and fury that bruce banner developed due to his alchoholic, dickbag father. And as he got older bruce managed to bury these negative feelings. But, when he became the hulk it was basically all of these feelings pouring out at once. But, unlike dr jekyll who basically created mr hyde so he could go out and give in to his urges and do whatever he wanted the hulk was basically a split personality created by Bruces negative emotions
Hulk is his own person seperate from banner, they have DID, and as a plural system we hate how poorly all media does this.
Every example in this video has corresponded to some version of the Hulk at some point. Different writers will do that. We have even had multiple Hulk personalities fighting for control at the same time before. Smart Hulk, Mr Fixit, Savage Hulk, World Breaker, Maestro, ect..are all effectively different characters, and Banner is seldom if ever in any real control. Funny thing is and this was done to erk Banner this had nothing to do with his Hulk transformation directly, other Hulks get adrenaline rushes some loss of inhibition but nothing as extreme as Banner gets, the split personalities were always there the Hulk just gave them an outlet to shut down Banner for a time.
Not often do I praise Naruto for its writing, but they definitely nailed the Super powered evil side. It doesn’t fall off, it has extreme consequences, but also it’s uses in a few scenes, and I love how Naruto grows with it till eventually hones and masters it.
This trope is a little iffy in my mind, but I do love the “fight in the center of the mind.” By far my favourite use of this is when George and Harold start to lose their humour in the Captain Underpants. Oh, I love that scene.
“The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be . . . unnatural.”
It's core resource?
*SAND*
Is it possible to learn this power?
@@whafflete6721 Yeah, but not from a Jedi.
@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi It's not nearly as strong as the high ground though.
Except the Dark Side actually seems to make people weaker‚ hilariously
Easily one of my favorite tropes out there. Although, I think my favorite take on it is “the character’s Super-Powered Evil Side was not only always there, it’s their default state”. Like, the entire concept of *not* forcing their will upon others through raw power was something the character had to work at for a very long time, and the temptation to just give up and switch back to “easy mode” is always there in the back of their mind.
Not exactly a Superpowered Evil Side, but that applies to a certain character in Kengan Asura.
Please read Kengan Asura.
Something like "fear the wrath of a gentle man". Just because someone desperately wants to be peaceful, upstanding, and just does NOT mean they are adept at any of those things naturally.
Spidey when he actually gets pissed off.
that's raiden in metal gear rising
@someone who doesnt make videos Yeah, but it sort of became who he was
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Wait a minute. I just realized in that list that Deathnote actually has an Underpowered good side for it's main character.
That's actually kind of debatable. Good Light doesn't have the Death Note sure. But good light also doesn't have Kira's arrogance, temper, and flair for the dramatic. If we're talking pure analytical/intelligence skills, Good Light might actually be smarter than Kira because he hasn't developed that insane vanity.
Not truly “evil” but definitely “super powered”; the avatar state from ATLA. Most notably in the first season and the last fight with Ozai, it basically makes this pleasant, happy little monk into an angry force of destruction.
"But Inuyasha is a romance first and shonen anime second." I mean you're not wrong. You just made me realize I was roped into a romance when I came for demon killing with a huge ass sword.
Edit: Yeah I'm still enjoying it lol. I'm almost 200 ep in
Might I suggest the manga Berserk? It has some truly horrendous contents, but if you have the stomach for the worst of the worst humanity can think of, Berserk is one of the greatest manga of all time, and it's about a man killing demons with a huge ass sword.
I'm pretty sure Inuyasha feels exactly the same way about the whole thing.
@@jkosch You misunderstand me. I'm saying Inuyasha came for demon killing and was roped into a romance.
@@jkosch Eh, he was never nearly as selfish as he pretended to be. His villain act was a very transparent way to cover up how lonely he was, by convincing himself that he didn't need anyone and didn't care about other people. That's even his motivation for wanting to become a full demon, to get rid of all his emotions and uncertainties. Getting more power is very much secondary, even at the start he's already pretty powerful.
Griffith is probably my favorite villain in any story ever.
"I'm going to break you."
"What!?"
"Like a Kit-Kat Bar."
......What?!
Wait if you let me power up I'll give you a pizza
@@estefanolivares4159
"That trick won't work,you killed my best frie-"
*"TWO PIZZAS"*
Thank god I found this comment here I was getting a little bit worried lol😂😂
@@potatobread5854 stuff crust king kai. U can eat it in reverse
This is probably going to be pretty useful to me, as I’m intending to make a character that ... kind of fits these rules.
Basically, there’s this guy who doesn’t like fighting because it scares his little sister, who he would do anything to protect. The first time it becomes necessary for him to fight, he stops it pretty early because he sees how horrified she is. The second time, however, she isn’t there to bring him back and the only reason why he comes back to his normal semi-pacifism is because he sees all the damage he’s done and realizes how awful it is on his own.
The reason why I said kind of is because he doesn’t technically have superpowers, he’s just freakishly good at fighting and normally doesn’t do it. So thanks Red, you are helping an aspiring writer make more interesting characters/plot points!
That sounds interesting, you might want to check out mob from mob psycho or metal bat from one punch man if you need some inspiration.
My favorite part of Ichigos Vasto Lorde form wasn’t because of a near death experience. He was dead. It was the screams of fear from Orihime(his love interest) that literally brought him back from the dead to protect her. He even folds one of his friends(who’s also his cousin) like a lawn chair because he got in the way of Ichigo protecting her.
Nobody but Isshin, Masaki, The Urahara Gang, and Ryuuken knew they were cousins, so they were just acquaintances-turned-begrudging-friends in the meantime
"the character's not home rn, can their primal instincts take a message?" XD
Super powered evil sides are all about letting your hero win the physical battle while losing the metaphysical battle. That's what makes it engaging (and why I had to fight Anakin's stupid, emotional side so many times).
So, that’s what that test Luke had in the cave in Dagobah was about?
I never fully understood it.
@@BlackCover95 basically the test is to see if Luke has the potential to become a second Vader (the fact he failed proves that he has potential)
Does Anakin have a non stupid side?
@@BlackCover95 Exactly. The Dark Side has always been about getting power rapidly but at the cost of morality. As Yoda said, the Dark Side is not stronger, just quicker so many a Jedi are seduced into turning to the Dark Side to use that power.
That's why Luke failed in Dagobah. He was impulsive and gave into fear and anger to win and this is exactly why Yoda and I didn't want him to face Vader. And when he did face Vader in Return of the Jedi, he beat him but almost fell to the Dark Side in the process. He almost became the very thing he swore to destroy by killing his dad and becoming Sidious's new apprentice.
Luckily, he pulled back at the last second and had that "I am a Jedi like my father before me" epiphany. So by reeling in the Dark Side, he won the metaphysical battle. And his resolve convinced Vader to kill Sidoius, thus winning the physical battle.
@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi I think the dark side is more about destruction and sacrifice, rather than about morality, cause vaapad was also toeing the line with it through using emotions, and Mace Windu specialized in it. I think that those who draw on the dark side of the force give up a bit of either their lifeforce, lifespan, mental health, comprehension, comprehension ability, or something else in exchage. Giving up morality is part of the idea of "sacrifice", but the Jedi Order does have some... flaws, for lack of a better word, about the way abilities are classified as either dark or lightside. And while the Sith naturally have destructive abilities classified as dark side, they also have basic ones and many self-harming ones. The Jedi Order, for example, has combustion as "a severe culmination of the art of telekinesis", while the sith variation is close combat and basically is the effect of 'setting you hands on fire, mind the blisters'. However, the Sith have also Crucitorn, which is, in summation, dissociation to endure physical pain. Sacrifice of being mentally aware to gain endurance basically. Both have force push as an ability. Honestly though, the Sith's description of force push? Sounds like an ability used to route animals... it's a "kinetic wave" that can "knock a single enemy off balance or scatter a group in all directions"... I'm just thinking of that exact description being used to scatter a stampede. XD
This has got me thinking about supersonic from the old fleetway comics. From how I understand it (cause I haven't actually read it) is that the chaos emeralds hold all the bad energy of the world, probably to make it a better place or something. Anyways, when sonic first gathered all the emeralds, he got all that chaos gunk in his system, and got launched into a special stage. He had a quick fight with his friends, before getting launched out of the special stage, and forgetting literally all that happened. And after a while, sonic can't even controll when it comes out, cause he's collected so many rings that he's just chock full of chaos energy, and stress can just force it out at any time. Heck, the only time that supersonic wasn't evil was when he was separated from sonic, and completely lost his memories of being evil. And even that wasn't that stable, cause if he ever used his powers, he'd go back into being evil almost instantly. Basically, supersonic is way more threatening than any villain they could face
Close, but the Emeralds don't hold bad energy. They hold, well, Chaos Energy. And that's what Super Sonic is in the Fleetway comics. He's pure chaos, and wants to spread chaos and anarchy, which typically leaves everyone suffering.
@@firefi1960 Anarchy is classically considered bad.
@@fredwardv6988 Which, honestly goes against chaos in general. It's not good or evil. It's just chaos.
Could there be a trope talk on what I’d call “the divine mortal,” basically where a character is endowed with powers by birth or choice of a deity or great spirit or destiny? And in turn, what that degree of divinity/power says for their role in society? Example being the Avatar, She Ra, Superman, Jesus, etc.
The character in inventing for my story of course
'the Avatar, She Ra, Superman, Jesus, etc'
Ahh, the bible. My favorite shogun anime.
There's also the more similar/bored version with the video game effect done backward.
The protagonist receives divine powers from a God/event/Reincarnation and just start as the most powerful been in the world in like episode one.
This is just kinda the Chosen One which has a Trope Talk
Red mentions symbiote Spider-man
that one braincell of mine:
*"GET BACK HERE SHOCKER!!!"*
Hammy as fuck and I love it.
Where is the rent
YooooU can't EscApe mEEE, I'll chAse you to ThE endz of thE Eeeeeeearth.
@@cybersketcher1130 aww you beat me to it
*Shows up behind him
Damn I'm so early Dionysus is still a existentially terrifying god of madness and the underworld and not just a winedaddy.
I like the first Dionysus better. It explores the duality of man's nature
That’s Dionysus’s super powered evil side
*w i n e d a d d y*
@@macoy3943 He only busts it out for emergencies. Copious amounts of alcohol are the only thing that can snap him out of it.
"You have to get Caliburn"
"You mean the sword that broke"
"Uhhh, You need to get Joyeuse"
"Charlamagne is not yet born"
"Durandal?"
"So is Roland"
"A light saber?"
"That's trademarked"
"A GUN?"
"Is it magic?"
"Yes"
"Neat" *throws sword to lake"
Another problem with the superpowered evil side, mainly the split personality variant, is that it very much plays into and reinforces negative stereotypes about people with DID or OSDD-1, and, though usually unintentional, it can kinda become another version of "mentally ill/neurodivergent = dangerous/scary/evil"
I think a cool Trope Talk to do would be “Show Don’t Tell”, or environmental storytelling. Essentially, a story that doesn’t tell it’s story through dialogue or narration, but just by showing the environment and the people. The story is told indirectly, basically. This type of storytelling is more apparent in video games, like Hyper Light Drifter, or Hollow Knight, or Gris, or Journey, or Shadow of the Colossus, or Dark Souls. It's also very apparent in those animated short films where almost none/none of the characters talk.
I’m surprised she hasn’t done it yet.
Aaaaany day now…
That would actually be really cool. Plus it will give Red another opportunity to talk about Avatar the Last Airbender, again.
Out of all video games, you mentioned gris and not Dark Souls?
The scene from Arrival when they trow the lightstick up is another good one. It's the one that made me realise the power of this trope.
A fantastic show that does this is Samurai Jack.
"Give supervillains alter egos that don't know about their own supervillainy."
Jojo Fans: 👀
"My sweet, sweet Doppio..."
(SPOILERS FOR JOJO PART 5)
Doppio does know about Diavolo's villainy tho', heck, he even willingly helps him with that. He just:
1. Is a lot nicer and more noble, as well as mentally damaged than Diavolo
2. Doesn't know that Diavolo is actually his alter, and thinks he's receiving orders from a mafia boss hiding somewhere
@@auroragamer1 true, doppio is completely aware that diavolo is an evil mafia boss, he just doesn’t know about their condition
*The requiem softly plays*
You people are like that at everything.
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A note on that. It wasn't a Near-Death Experience. He *did* die. He had a massive hole blasted through his chest after having the shit beat out of him by Ulquiorra. White was then able to take over Ichigo's dead body
I would love an expansion on the superpower evil side taking over after a character dies. I think it would be really interesting to have the good side really die and there is only the evil side left. Then after the friends and love interest try to get the good side back the evil side has to tell them that they’re all that’s left.
That would be very tragic too seeing all the characters realize that the person they once loved is gone for good and how that effects them for the rest of the series and how that might even effect the superpowered evil side...
I can't wait until she makes a video about trope subversion and ends it with "So, no."
That would be awesome lol
Red: *Admits to watching anime*
Me: YOU PRACTICALLY MADE YOUR OWN WITH THE JOURNEY TO THE WEST!
AINT THAT THE TRUTH!
Yeah, that was the least shocking reveal of the century
i'm waiting for the next episode...
@@juandiego2347 Same. I've waited years for the Hellsing abridged to finish and come out. I can wait however long for the next Journey To The West.
@@juandiego2347 after the minceraft one!
The Skulduggery Pleasant series also includes a few superpowered evil sides. It is funny because the most prominent one starts out as just being somewhat more brutal and is actually confused as to why there are apocalyptic prophecies about it. Although after some events that might have tainted the other personality (it is left unclear) it quickly grows into its role as the harbringer of the end of times.
I feel that I must point out that during the Gohan and Perfect Cell fight, when our plucky hero finally hit Super Saiyan 2 and started taking the fight seriously, this too was a superpowered evil side. The abridged series used this as a joke but the original series played it completely straight and made the sweet and innocent child into a cold sadist.
"Just once I want the best friend to come around after the hero comes back to themselves and be annoyed that _their_ heartfelt plee wasn't enough to save them" Red your aroace is showing (says your friendly local sympathetic ace)
But can't people want friendships to matter as much as love/sexual attraction without being aromantic/asexual? (Actually now I'm thinking it would be interesting to see a sexual attraction version of the trope that doesn't pretend it's "love".)
@@AntediluvianRomance Lol are you suggesting a "snap out of the evil side because you're horny" scene? Yeah. That could work.
@@Rhaifha We must embrace the power of horniness! :D
@@AntediluvianRomance I'm not saying they can't, it's just a joke because Red is otherwise confirmed to be ace :/
@@AntediluvianRomance There is an example of this. Our old boy Cú Chulainn warp spasm is (and I'm quoting red here) "brought down by the power of boobs".
One word: Berserk
Guts’ Berserker Armor is very much this. Very much “He who fights monsters”.
Forces?
Something this has made me realise is how many tropes berserk has but they're so well done that you don't even realise them
it literally requires an entirely second character to reign him in from his rampages, and its terrifying to think of what would happen if shierke were not there
I've always thought that Guts was just along for the ride when the Berserker Armour hijacks his body. Not necessarily an "evil side" but moreso a hostage. Let's be honest here, Guts has done a lot of terrible things, but he can't have an "evil" side because everything in Berserk is morally grey. I think that's why people don't recognize this trope in the story so easily.
@@VulpesHilarianus The trolls are morally gray?!
I remember one series where a character had an evil side and a former villain who was completely possessed by it at once. He basically gave the solution of embrace it and tame it. Fight evil and it fights back harder. Accept evil and control it.
I think that the best way to handle power creep with a superpowered evil side is to have it grow with the protagonist. It can gain all of their abilities and turn them up to eleven, thus staying relevant from a power perspective and causing the character to have to find a way to temper or control the power.
like Kurama with the tail increase, hollow ichi evolving
The dislike is from Underly Sarcastic Productions, a channel with 4 million subs hosted by Crimson and Navy.
With garterbelt
Hmmm...
Why do I feel like I know those names...
A cool play on this would be a character pretending to have an evil alter ego so they can get away with stuff the rest of their hero group isn't ok with.
And when this becomes the norm, we can put another spin on it: Everyone knows it's an act, but they think that the character thinks they have an evil side.
Alternatively, a chuunibyo makes up an evil alter ego to seem cooler (and then blames their petty misdeeds on said ego. "I didn't eat the Halloween candy, it was my dark spectre!" _munch munch_
So...Jekyll and Hyde?
@@timothymclean And then the evil side actually manifests, like in that South Park episode where Cartman faked tourette to insult Jews without consequences.
Someone already replied with Jekyll and Hyde
In my D&D game one of my player's characters has a SPES whenever she drops to 0, nobody really understands what it is, the player doesn't get to be in the room when it comes out, and every single time it happens, more and more of the characters body gets covered in these black tendrils, and right now she even has a fully blacked out eye. All of the players put a lot of priority into keeping her specifically from getting knocked, because they don't know A) if/when it'll turn on them, and B) what happens if those tendrils completely cover her. All they know is that it's VERY powerful and almost definitely has a connection to the first villain of the campaign.
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There was a Superpowered Evil Side in Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z before the first appearence of the Super Sayan, the giant ape Ozaru.
This form turned Goku and Gohan into giant berserking apes that were immensly more powerful than their base form.
It's so powerful that Goku and Gohan cut off their own tail and Piccolo destroyed the Moon just as a precaution.
Naruto gave their superpowered evil side a tsundere complex and is still my favourite one
Lol
Because he is his own person fundamentally.
When she mentioned marvel, I thought she was about to talk about the Hulk. His whole thing is he has a super-powered evil side.
Ghost Rider, Dark Phoenix, Sentry/Void...
@@CaptainFrost32 Dark Phoenix was shown
@@tedwards1025 That is why she was on the list... it was inclusive but incomplete.
"Sides" there a lot of evil Hulk personalities
@@Nzosaba_Matenge 5 main Hulks, none of which are 100% evil, but variable amounts of arguable evil, and infinite Hulks hiding inside Banner’s brain waiting for their moment.
Okay hear me out.. A villain with a superpowered *good* side. Like they transform and its ` `ILL DEFEAT YOU WITH THE POWER OF BELIEVING IN MYSELF, THEN VOULENTER TO HELP CLEAN UP THE COLATERAL DAMAGE, THEN I'LL PICK UP LITER! ITS A MASTER PLAN!` ` Then they beat whoever they are fighting, And give them a lollipop for being a good opponent.
Yuji and Sukuna's situation in and after Shibuya is probably one of the best handlings of the superpowered evil side I've seen in a while
"I'm pretty sure that turn 1 win never made it into the anime of YuGiOh"
Arc-V literally opens with the MC doing that in the first duel lol
Gx also had a turn 0 win.
And in doing so kinda typecasted the concept of Pendulum Summoning for many players, which led to frequent nerfs and neglect of the card type in recent years.
@@fawfulmark2 The few good Pendulum Decks that work like a Pendulum Deck were ridiculous, even before the MR4 Revision, Pend Magicians were insane, it makes sense they've been nerfed
I believe Seto Kaiba made a turn 1 win just to show off his Obelisk the Tormentor. But that's from what I know
I think Red meant more along the lines of solitaire decks, which burn through 30 cards at once to kill on the first or second turn, while the opponent sits there and everyone's just thinking "Are you done?"
You know, the ones that go: "I will summon this which lets me summon this, and I'll play that which lets me summon this this and this, and then I'll fuse/synch/overlay/whatever into this, which then lets me summon this, this, and that, and then I'll play this which makes that and mills these and then lets me summon this and that and overlay _them_ and then I'll play this and that means you lose."
Mechanically, Nezuko functions similarly to this trope in Demon Slayer. She stays in main character Tanjiro's backpack until there's absolutely no other option. Since she's a demon, she is constantly at risk of tasting human blood and going berserk, so most of the time Tanjiro wants her to stay out of the way for her own good, but it's also because he doesn't want her to get hurt. Nezuko is trying very hard to not murder and eat everyone around her, so she isn't "evil", but she's too close for everyone's comfort so she falls into the same trope.
I was gonna say when you don't have a depowered good side, but nezuko is the good side and I will break the shins of anyone who says otherwise
Personally what comes to my mind for this trope is the Beast of darkness and berserker armor from Berserk.
@@johnwilliamson4748 Probably one of the more direct examples tbh
I kinda like her because she's not that strong either. so it's more of a switch player than a "oh shit".
But... she wasn't? Wasn't she involved in literally every fight? (Anime only here no spoilers)
I just thought about a split personality evil side being used as a power up during the battle in the center of the mind. Like imagine the protagonist and color inverted protagonist ganging up on other problem.
0:55 she HAD to draw Tristan from Yu-Gi-Oh to demonstrate friends that only exist to cheer for the protagonist, didn't she?
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Wow really
Honestly I wish that the symbiote had been a more permanent thing. They could have made a whole storyline of Spider-Man teaching it morals, basically being an Uncle Ben to it, but without the dying part.
Sounds like we need a new addition to the Spider-Verse.
Patrick Mulligan and Venom’s grandson: Toxin
Or maybe WITH the dying part, and Venom becomes spider-man for a while.
That's probably done already, but hey, it's an idea.
Remember it’s also insane because of Deadpool
Then reveal spiderman died in a fight months ago and the symbiote has been impersonating him to do good because of what Peter taught it.... Could be cool
Power creep happens in real life, it's called school.
The first season quest: print your own name
By the 12th season you're crafting multiple hundred word essays
If this were an anime that would eventually lead to altering reality with writing. 😆
I got a sequal after the 10th grade arc that was more a slice of life and really couldn't be bothered with tension so it just kinda nerfed all the struggles
@@ReineGalena You mean like being a writer/producer for Fox News or Sinclair Broadcasting?
Some of the most jaw dropping reality warping you'll ever see. The only thing they haven't been able to warp is a viral pandemic. But not for lack of trying.
Me, realizing my paper is due tomorrow and I haven't written any of it:
"Forgive me master.... I'll have to use 'that' technique..."
*Downs six cans of red bull *
@@sayerglasgow115 stop, that technique is too straining on the body, you'll never survive it
Meliodas from T7DS is a perfect example of the evil powerup: he's overall a nice guy that could kill you but probably doesn't want to, but when he gets beaten up enough, he becomes... *that* . He doesn't even develop a personality, he loses it and becomes this dark force.
Don't forget assault mode, i loved that arc
I'm disappointed more people doesn't talk about it more in the comments. For how popular (I think) the first two seasons where
What’s T7DS?
Jekyll vs Mr Hyde, The Hulk vs Bruce Banner and Eddie Brock versus Venom are all interesting examples of Super Powered Evil sides. The character Painkiller from Black Lightning is pretty cool.
I do like it when the super powered evil side isn't really evil, but a morally grey and dangerous person the hero has to negotiate with. I love the Venom vs Eddie Brock dynamic in the film Venom.