Why These Cards Are Banned Part 4 (Its A Trap!)
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Heh, alot of those cards are Kaiba's!
Fast forward three years: Crush Card is no longer banned. However, its effect has been significantly toned down...
Mr. Oshawott i have a card similar to that it's called deck devastation virus
Just for those wondering, in order to reliably use Last Turn + Jowgen combo... you need Wall of Revealing Light. It sets you up for the LP condition of Last Turn.
+DJAizakku
An easier way back then was to just run 3 Solemn Judgements in your deck.
"... I don't see it (CCV) coming back anytime soon....
2 YEARS LATER... THE HORROR, THE HORROR!!!!
The only reason exchange is debanned is because they slighty rewritten so both players have to have 15 or more in grave.
that fucking exchange of the spirit is sooooooo overpowered. if you draw it early and chain with card destruction you can basically win the duel in a few more turns by decking your opponent out
I remember I played against exchange of spirit once and got left with one card to draw but was able to pull off an ftk. crazy duel.
ring of destruction worked well with Barrel behind the door and lava golem
Jay Chavis I remember a great 1st turn combo of "Cyber Stein", "Ring of Destruction" and "Barrel Behind the Door" (and then you just CS a BEUD or something)
You'd pay 5000, but then inflict 9000 damage in the first turn, LOL
#freestratos2014
sirLamperouge 2015,2016....
+John Doe #KeepStratosinJail2015
macro cosmos needs to be changed from limited to unlimited, too many decks rely heavily on the grave in the current meta it would be healthy to have a deck to counter this
Gravekeepers...nuff said
It wouldn't be healthy because of that though, a one card counter to like 80% of decks? That doesn't sound good for the game
Great vids man. Always love seeing these, and a bit sad to see it ended.
It's the line that says "The player whose monster remains alone on the field at the End Phase of this turn wins the Duel." that makes Jowgen and Last Turn a combo.
They nerfed Crush Card. For some reason, they didn't for the dragon version of it, so all you need is a Fang of Critias and Crush Card, and Doom Virus Dragon will take care of the rest.
Anyone notice the name of the deck being Wonton Soup??? haha
>tsukuyomi
>"her"
git gud scrub, tsukuyomi is a guy, he's the moon god in shinto myth
imperial order basically says your hand is now limited, but the probably is that, mainly only specific monsters and very limited traps can kill it, like dust tornado
There is one thing that I would like to say regarding some of these banned cards. Trap Dustshoot indicates that you look at your opponent's hand, select 1 Monster Card in it and return it to the owner's deck. Ok, but what happens if you use the card, and they don't have a monster in their hand? To me, it's not the fact that cards are banned because of their effect, but it's all about how a person builds their deck, along with skill and a lot of luck, that anyone can be able to triumph in the end.
Sure you can play TD, but what is there from stopping the opponent by playing Seven tools of the Bandit, or even Remove Trap (or some other card which negates the activation of a trap card)?
Another card that suffers from this effect is Temple of the Kings. Hell, the card wasn't even made into a physical copy (at one point), yet it automatically gets banned!? Why even bother making the damn card to begin with!? Mystical Space Typhoon, Giant Trunade, or any other card that negates the activation of a Spell card/destroys a spell card can be able to counter it.
I'm sorry, I don't mean to be this way, but I am looking at this through a strategic point of view. I haven't played Yu-Gi-Oh (the console version) in a bout a year, and I haven't played the TCG version in who knows how long, but I still have a few decks lying around in which I question as to why they were created in the beginning. I do not want to get on anybody's nerves, but this whole thing about "banning" cards just annoys me a little bit.
Some cards have adverse effects on the meta. Temple of the Kings for Example was a prize cards and was not originally released in a booster set. The effect was just for fun and it came from the Anime I think. Take a card like Shockmaster for example. If this card successfully resolves its effect, your opponent can pretty much scoop if they are over-reliant on one mechanic
Royal Oppression would work if you needed to have no monsters to activate it.
You should make a video of the most underrated trap cards in the game. Like reverse trap, and respect play.
Exchange of the spirit was so much fun to plat on DN because you'd have to change cards one by one manually
The loop is Fenrir+Black Garden+Spirit Monster (Hino-kagu-tsuchi or Yaksha pref).
SS Fenrir, then activate BG. Fenrir doesn't suffer from an attack drop because it was SS before BG. NS any spirit monster, triggering BG. If it was Yaksha, then you can bounce a problematic spell or trap. If it was HKT, then you can eliminate their hand before their draw*. Fenrir kills the rose token and triggers, denying the draw. The spirit returns to hand and can be summoned next turn, looping the deck lock.
All of it is legal, but it requires a bit of doing. Terraforming to get the BG, Aratama as a spirit or to search them, putting water monsters into the grave shouldn't be an issue. Where it arises is getting Fenrir to the hand. The best case scenario involves Frogs.
*Hino-Kagu-Tsuchi can't trigger along side Fenrir because HKT discards their hand before drawing during the draw step, while Fenrir skips the draw step entirely.
I'm happy i was one of the lucky few to own a Crush Card Virus back when it was reprinted in gold series. Good times owning a 300 dollar card.
I was surprised you didn't mention that trap dustshoot/mind crush combo that just wrecks the opponent's hand if you get them both first turn.
Ring+barrel behind the door for game... My favorite old school combo.
Eventhough is just as dirty as Trap Dustshoot, the thing with Dragged Down is that it gives pluses to both in the end and that's why imo it's even at three though
the normal spell card Fengsheng Mirror allows you to look at your opponent's hand. It also allows to discard 1 spirit monster from their hand(if they have any). Might not be as good as trap dusts-shoot but it allows you to look at their hand. There is a 5 or 6 star monster that makes your opponent show their hand at all times. Though it is pretty weak
"Last Turn" FTW xD
yugioh old school days missing them! haha
Please try to remake this this format. It is a perfect time to do it due to the errata sand we just got the new banlist.
And usually suffer from heavy siding against them due to being grave reliant. Its still an explosive card, but only if they can draw into it when they go first. If they pull it off on you even on your bad draw, have in mind to scoop and side hard for them in game 2 and 3.
In a handheld version, I've played Royal Decree + Horus 8 before. That's a fun lockdown, right there. XD
The chainability's definitely a big bonus, true. But Volcasaurus has a lot of benefits over Ring too. You don't take the damage, you don't have to draw into it and you can use it twice (although most people would prefer to just put Thunder Charger on it after the first use), for example.
Dragged Down isn't under any restriction because it allows your opponent to see YOUR hand as well. So it doesn't put you into a "knowledge advantage", because both players get it. Trap Dustshoot, Confiscation, Forceful Sentry and the like just flat out give said advantage to you without any disadvantage for you, except maybe some Life Points costs.
I wouldn't want Crush Card just because if you combo it with the other Virus cards suddenly all your monsters are discarded and you can't get any more for 3 turns, plus you'd only get either your spells or your traps which would limit your defenses dramatically.
If anything could come back, I'd think we could maybe have Ring of Destruction at 1. Yea, it can hit for game pretty easy if a player's LP are low enough, but it also has high potential for ties and if your low you blow yourself up, too.
You have a fair point there, I could see Ring Of Destruction making a comeback considering there are more powerful alternatives now
You can still run that time seal lock in advanced. Drastic Drop Off and even regular Drop Off make the same lock. Unless your opponent plays Dark World or something.
I agree, and from what I've heard Kazuki believe the same. I'd rather they all be limited like on the traditional format since it allows for more entertaining duels. I could counter my opponent's broken cards with my broken cards...a bit like the meta today, only I don't have to use a deck that I don't like. Plus most of these cards can be countered; Opression and Order are vulnerable to cards like MST and Dust Tornado respectively, etc.
the loop i hate the most is when they activate swords of revealing light, then after my two turns they use something like a zepyros to bounce it back and reactivate it, its way to good in final countdown
azneyes are you doing a a full look through of Lord of the Tachyon Galaxy boost pack with pink reaper?
I'd say now would be a good time to limit crush card. After all, it's a good way to counter strong and broken archetypes, while it won't affect weaker tuners etc. I don't see much trouble with it and wouldn't call it gamebreaking compared to the likes of Eradicator Epidemic (assuming the altter can be activated). It'd be interesting to see the meta change to revolve around weaker cards for fear of Crush Card.
Trap dust shoot got banned right around the time chaos dragons in ninjas came out forgot to check the banned list made it to finals activated it and got disqualified thr day right after it got release on the band list
yo azn, you should go over all of the censored artworks next!
lol I remember back in the old days combing ring of destruction with barrel behind the door
I think the Soul Exchange could come back because it's got a fair effect. Plus it's be useful in an Exodius Deck. And what are the odds you'd get it on your first turn in a 40 card deck? Most likely slim. And how would you be able to play it on the first turn? The only way you could play it and not lose is if you played a disposable card first (like Nuvia the Wicked or a spell card). That'd be the only way that it'd be truly useful in a victory because it's not exactly the best card.
Ring of destruction will never come back as long a barrel behind the door exists.
Personally, Last Turn wouldn't be out of the question if they gave it a simple errata to make it useful as it was originally intended.
Love how you decide to ignore the fact that with Dragged Down you also show YOUR hand.
In the end of crush card virus effect it says your opponent takes 0 damage until his/her next turn.Where is that?
They errata'd it so now its legal
Mind explaining how it works? Which level 10 fusions would you be summoning to get out Gustav?
Do an update
Everything should come back. I know some cards are op but I still think we should just play like in the anime.
My favorite part was the fact that I also have a deck saved on DN with the name 'Wanton Soup'
I remember when Wonton Soup decks were legal...
What?
Oce Galaxy the name of the deck is wonton soup
I think he means Ring of Defense. I think that's is what it is called. I remember Kaiba using it in that episode when he taged with Yugi on top of a building.
Every deck benefits from cards in the grave. Adult E Drags, banishing for Spellbook of Fate, use with Spellbook of the Master, Dandy, Level Eater, Spore, Breakthrough Skill, revival with Wolfberk, use with Kerykeion/Sombres, banish with BLS... I could go on and on.
I have always played chaos decks, and when Royal Oppression was played a lot I played Chimeratech Overdragon OTK/FTK. When people played Royal Oppression though in first game or 3rd game I would side into Chaos deck. I won so many games by dropping Jinzo on Royal Oppression and then dropping Chaos Sorcerer together with it.
you should make a part 5 with this new ban list.
Just an idea, what would a time seal + thunder king rai-oh combo be able to do?
That makes it so the opponent can't get any new cards.
The funny thing is crush card virus probably wouldn't even hurt dragon rulers that much despite how good the card is.
This guy locked me with tsukoyomi and drastic drop off with mask of darkness. It was horrible, he maintained so much hand advantage.
the key phrase here is "If you manage" though, you're right that H-Lvl 8 is way better but it takes luck with your summons not being stopped, some spells going through and keeping the waker lvls on the field the turns enough, while with Imperial Order you just use it and the cost is just not enough... and you can bounce it back with no downside, other easy plays here and there and stuff lol
I always loved combos like ring of destruction + ring of defense and crush card virus + shrink.I dont care about the official cardgame i never played it bt it looked damned awesome in the anime as well as in my kaiba themed deck !!
Crush Card should be Errata'd:
"Tribute 1 DARK NORMAL monster with 1000 or less ATK. Check all monsters your opponent controls, your opponent's hand, and all cards in their Deck, and destroy all monsters with 1500 or more ATK."
That way it'd be more true to the original effect (DESTROYED monsters in the Deck altogether) and the only time it was played was by tributing Saggi the Dark Clown or Vorse Raider under Shrink. People shy away from using weak Normal monsters, so it'd be really balanced.
Konami should make a card very similar to Royal Oppression, but with a slightly higher LP cost, and with the added effect "This card can only be activated during your standby phase." Would be much more balanced.
This may sound silly, after all I'm still relatively new: With Last Turn, can I target Blackwing - Armor Master? I have a feeling it's a "no" but I just want to have it clarified
Yeah, that was also a thing.
No. It says 'deck' not 'extra deck'. Unless you mean as your monster to remain on the field, then yes. But this can also apply to Marshmallon, etc.
Azn, Time Seal is not banned because of that "lock", is because of Don Zaloog lockdown, it worked along with The Forceful Entry, Delinquent Duo and Drop Off. THAT, was nasty back in the day.
In a game a combo I always got hit by was ring of destruction chain barrel behind door. I think the traps aren't gonna come off though
time seal won't come back when we have drastic drop-off
You forget the other two cards that are like crush card virus but do different things, one is Deck devastation virus, good card but it plays differently though and then the second to the last one, is eradicator epidemic virus, yes I own it it's a good card too. These are all like the Crush card virus just played differently though.
>Only your turn.
Destroying has several counters, and it targets. Besides, their are more dangerous cards. Gaia Knight is its own problem and far from always run with No. 61.
>Multiples
You're saying you don't need to get out multiple. Usually, you don't run more than 1, so Limiting wouldn't matter.
> Specifics
Using Monster Reborn or CotH on it only gives you a beatstick. To make reviving it useful, you needs a specific card like Xyz Material (unless Gaia Knight, yes, which I already mentioned)
Because having cards in our graveyard is better than having no card anywhere.
I like these vids. I'd like to see a "cards that should be banned"... Because there's lots of old and new cards that should be gone and I'd like to see your opinion. You're so humble
I just made an E drag lock down deck
It involves stopping the enemy from stopping your E drags from being summoned or getting killed!
its the best when youre already winning, for sure its a bad top deck if you are backed into a corner. but if the game is relatively equal or you are in the lead its an overpowered card. its amazing 80% of the time and like i said it would be thrown in nearly every deck and make dragon rulers and spellbooks even more op. take a single draw away from them? they can deal with it they have judgment/rejuv. use it against other decks? they can fall apart. it makes the top tier decks even better.
Can you make a "Why these cards are banned" for the newly banned cards?
It's equally broken, because you don't have the chainability, but considering Gaia Thunder Dragon of Whatever is a thing and a lot of decks can make quick easy Volca, either Volca should be banned/limited or we should get a pretty new explosive ring.
Ring of destruction was reprinted and nerfed in premium gold so does that mean its unbanned
i would love it if crush card would come back, im hoping every banlist that it does, even though i know it wont
@Codename volcasauras can attack the turn it uses it's effect, just not directly.
last turn or trap dushoot would be cool to come back
I would like to have Trap Dustshoot to come back. Effect Veiler is very annoying. I hate it when summon and monster and activate it's effect, i get hit by veiler, it is too much troll. But can you explain the Mass Driver and Dark Magician of Chaos combo?
With the new Number C101: Silent Honor Dark you could just destroy Silent Honor Dark with Ring of Destruction then deal both players 2800 damage and then if Silent Honor Dark had an Overlay Unit just revive it and regain that 2800 life. Scary
and what lockdown deck worth it's salt does not use either jowgen or fossil dyna once the field is ready for them, afterall that does lock down the oponents ability to special summon (and yours but at that point you don't need to)
time seal could never come back. it literally says that if ur opponent doesnt have an answer, they cant get one for at least a turn.
Also, when Ring of Destruction was legal you could chain it with Barrel Behind the Door and that was awesome.
Life absorbing is good with Ra but if Ra is veilered, He doesn't get his attack back at the end of the turn. Opponent's turn comes and you've got a 0 ATK Ra in attack mode with 100 life points left.
Being able to take away an opponent's ability to add 1 card to their hand is way too good. Time Seal was banned because if you were losing you could potentially stop your opponent from drawing even better advantage, and if you were winning you just secured your victory.
My favorite combo is Last Turn + Wicked Avatar :3
I also like Transmigration Prophecy + Exchange of Spirit
The "1000 ATK or less ..." on Crush Card is what made it so banned to be fair but IMO the other two Deck Devi and Erradicator are still way more worse in the correct deck though. I even play DW and i feel some sort of mix between happiness and "feel sorry for the six sam guy" when i can get a 2600 DARK with ease first turn and a Virus card in the backrow with some luck to unleash it next turn. If only they make a new errataed version of CC with "1000 DARK" it would turn out to be situational...
The difference is you are investing 4 cards into doing that rather than one chainable trap. There are a number of ways to disrupt a Ray V play and unless you're going to Solemn Judgment and pay half of your life points, or are one of the rare players to play Dark Bribe/Seven Tools of the Bandit that Ring of Destruction is going to do a lot towards board advantage. Plus decks that use V are the goal of the deck, Ring is playable in everything.
You could, but it isn't as handy against decks which can activate cards from the graveyard (eg Breakthrough Skill, Necro Gardna, Spore)
I used to have a crush card but my cousin bent it and I gave him all my cards. I got back my cards but he lost half of them
Well, that's why you overlay for Gaia Dragon afterwards lol
dragged down affects both players, both players can see each other's hand so you are forced to set cards just to play it and if you have a tourguide that you just drew and you already wasted your normal summon you can't play it, dragged down will and still only be played in dark worlds unless konami makes another archetype that benefits from discarding effects (nobody plays dragged down in fableds...), dustshoot was basically a staple in ANY deck? except monster marsh
well that's not what i meant though... even if you lose all your hand when you use E.Dragons that way you can still summon at least one of them from the graveyard by removing the other dragons if i remember correctly XD
Ring of Destruction, you could chain Barrel Behind the Door/Spell of Pain. That's an OTK with a monster like Meklord Emperor Granel.
Spiritual Fire ART is juts like Ring of Destruction but just for fire monsters.
Imperial Order + Solenm Wishes combo you only pay 200 life points per turn if you have two solemn wishes you don't pay any life points per turn, annoying as hell and I loved it.
Hey azneyes could you do a Chevalier De Fleur deck profile, please.?
There is anouther card like time seal that sends the drawn card to the grave. Can't remember the name but its artwork was a broken gadget
if I was playing fire KINGS I would love CCV to be legal. "Oh, you destroy my whole hand, which consisted of Garunix Nepthes and Barong :D "
isn't Jowgen's effect to nuke all SS mandatory? meaning it will blow up Horus lvl8 if you bring him? looking at the card wording it seems like it is but some people don't think so though