To me thats indicative of him alwaying having to stay in character probably ruling over the Easterlings and quashing goblin rebellions all the time. Most of Saurons influence is mostly offscreen anyway
Surely Aragorn commits a war crime in the film by beheading a messenger during what is akin to a parley (part of the pirate’s code of conduct, involving negotiation with enemies under a truce).
No such thing as War Crimes in Middle-Earth, and to kill a Fell Messenger would not normally be a Fell deed. Regardless, Aragorn did not behead him in the books, and I believe his fate is unknown beyond conjecture.
In Middle-earth even Orcs know and to some extent accept the rules of parlay :). In Two Towers during battle of Hornburg Aragorn actually talks to the orcs: ""At last Aragorn stood above the great gates, heedless of the darts of the enemy. As he looked forth he saw the eastern sky grow pale. Then he raised his empty hand, palm outward in token of parley. The Orcs yelled and jeered. "Come down! Come down!" they cried. "If you wish to speak to us, come down! Bring out your king! We are the fighting Uruk-hai. We will fetch him from his hole, if he does not come. Bring out your skulking king!" "The king stays or comes at his own will," said Aragorn. "Then what are you doing here?" they answered. "Why do you look out? Do you wish to see the greatness of our army? We are the fighting Uruk-hai." "I looked out to see the dawn," said Aragorn. "What of the dawn?" they jeered. "We are the Uruk-hai: we do not stop the fight for night or day, for fair weather or for storm. We come to kill, by sun or moon. What of the dawn?" "None knows what the new day shall bring him," said Aragorn. "Get you gone, ere it turn to your evil." "Get down or we will shoot you from the wall," they cried. "This is no parley. You have nothing to say." "I have still this to say," answered Aragorn. "No enemy has yet taken the Hornburg. Depart, or not one of you will be spared. Not one will be left alive to take back tidings to the North. You do not know your peril." So great a power and royalty was revealed in Aragorn, as he stood there alone above the ruined gates before the host of his enemies, that many of the wild men paused, and looked back over their shoulders to the valley, and some looked up doubtfully at the sky. But the Orcs laughed with loud voices; and a hail of darts and arrows whistled over the wall, as Aragorn leaped down. There was a roar and a blast of fire. The archway of the gate above which he had stood a moment before crumbled and crashed in smoke and dust. The barricade was scattered as if by a thunderbolt. Aragorn ran to the king's tower." Obviously the evil guys can sometimes break the rules when it suits their purpose :)...even Morgoth once sent emissaries for parley :), “But even in the hour of the death of Feanor an embassy came to his sons from Morgoth, acknowledging defeat, and offering terms, even to the surrender of a Silmaril. Then Maedhros the tall, the eldest son, persuaded his brothers to feign to treat with Morgoth, and to meet his emissaries at the place appointed; but the Noldor had as little thought of faith as had he. Wherefore each embassy came with greater force than was agreed; but Morgoth sent the more, and there were Balrogs.”
@@user-gc9ef2np1e The name Sauron comes from Quenya and means something like Detestable or Abhorrent One. Gorthaur is related to that but comes from Sindarin. Gor- meaning Dread, thaur- meaning Abhorrent or Detestable. So the Dreaded Abhorrent One? ... something like that.
The movie version is lame compared to this, plus Aragorn acted at the end of talking like a punk, that move wasn't in his spirit, but probably they couldn't extend this because the movie was too long for some people that don't care much about this universum... I guess nothing is perfect anyway.
The scene in the movie is indeed kind of....tame :)...shame that the steed of the Mouth of Sauron was not utilized...from the description in the book, a real...devilish horse hehe could be nice for movie visuals: "At its head there rode a tall and evil shape, mounted upon a black horse, if horse it was; for it was huge and hideous, and its face was a frightful mask, more like a skull than a living head, and in the sockets of its eyes and in its nostrils there burned a flame. " One would thikn that with PJ's penchant for horror he could have milked that hellish horse scene :) (just like he could have used the great vampiric bats in The Hobbit "fastening vampire-like on the stricken" :)).
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Didn't figure out how I wanted the Messenger to sound until I got to the Terms... but couldn't be bothered to re-record it all 😅
His name is remembered in no tale. For he himself had forgotten it.
Damn. That sucks.
To me thats indicative of him alwaying having to stay in character probably ruling over the Easterlings and quashing goblin rebellions all the time. Most of Saurons influence is mostly offscreen anyway
quite a shame truly
Aragorn leaving The Mouth of Sauron shooken just staring him down without a word
Surely Aragorn commits a war crime in the film by beheading a messenger during what is akin to a parley (part of the pirate’s code of conduct, involving negotiation with enemies under a truce).
That certainly would have been a war crime, if he had done it.
Since when it is a war crime to behead demons?
@@cartesian_doubt6230 Aragon agreed. That’s why he let him go, in the book.
No such thing as War Crimes in Middle-Earth, and to kill a Fell Messenger would not normally be a Fell deed. Regardless, Aragorn did not behead him in the books, and I believe his fate is unknown beyond conjecture.
In Middle-earth even Orcs know and to some extent accept the rules of parlay :). In Two Towers during battle of Hornburg Aragorn actually talks to the orcs:
""At last Aragorn stood above the great gates, heedless of the darts of the enemy. As he looked forth he saw the eastern sky grow pale. Then he raised his empty hand, palm outward in token of parley.
The Orcs yelled and jeered. "Come down! Come down!" they cried. "If you wish to speak to us, come down! Bring out your king! We are the fighting Uruk-hai. We will fetch him from his hole, if he does not come. Bring out your skulking king!"
"The king stays or comes at his own will," said Aragorn.
"Then what are you doing here?" they answered. "Why do you look out? Do you wish to see the greatness of our army? We are the fighting Uruk-hai."
"I looked out to see the dawn," said Aragorn.
"What of the dawn?" they jeered. "We are the Uruk-hai: we do not stop the fight for night or day, for fair weather or for storm. We come to kill, by sun or moon. What of the dawn?"
"None knows what the new day shall bring him," said Aragorn. "Get you gone, ere it turn to your evil."
"Get down or we will shoot you from the wall," they cried. "This is no parley. You have nothing to say."
"I have still this to say," answered Aragorn. "No enemy has yet taken the Hornburg. Depart, or not one of you will be spared. Not one will be left alive to take back tidings to the North. You do not know your peril."
So great a power and royalty was revealed in Aragorn, as he stood there alone above the ruined gates before the host of his enemies, that many of the wild men paused, and looked back over their shoulders to the valley, and some looked up doubtfully at the sky. But the Orcs laughed with loud voices; and a hail of darts and arrows whistled over the wall, as Aragorn leaped down.
There was a roar and a blast of fire. The archway of the gate above which he had stood a moment before crumbled and crashed in smoke and dust. The barricade was scattered as if by a thunderbolt. Aragorn ran to the king's tower."
Obviously the evil guys can sometimes break the rules when it suits their purpose :)...even Morgoth once sent emissaries for parley :),
“But even in the hour of the death of Feanor an embassy came to his sons from Morgoth, acknowledging defeat, and offering terms, even to the surrender of a Silmaril. Then Maedhros the tall, the eldest son, persuaded his brothers to feign to treat with Morgoth, and to meet his emissaries at the place appointed; but the Noldor had as little thought of faith as had he. Wherefore each embassy came with greater force than was agreed; but Morgoth sent the more, and there were Balrogs.”
Damn. The movie is no comparison to this.
This is the best chapter
Loved it ❤
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Good reading.
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Dude this is so good, how do you have so few subs?
Haha, that's a good question 🤔 Not really sure honestly. I had 20 last year... so, making progress at least. Thanks for listening!!
Why sauron did accepted the name of Sauron, Since that name was a mockery to him?
Not sure The Host of the West cares what Sauron thinks about it 😅
Wasn't he the lord of gifts Anatar originally, that's a huge downgrade for an insult name 😂
Wasn't he also Gorthaur? (Sorry if I wrote incorrectly)
@@user-gc9ef2np1e The name Sauron comes from Quenya and means something like Detestable or Abhorrent One. Gorthaur is related to that but comes from Sindarin. Gor- meaning Dread, thaur- meaning Abhorrent or Detestable. So the Dreaded Abhorrent One? ... something like that.
@@PortCityBalrog Originally, Mairon was his name in the West before being corrupted by Morgoth.
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The movie version is lame compared to this, plus Aragorn acted at the end of talking like a punk, that move wasn't in his spirit, but probably they couldn't extend this because the movie was too long for some people that don't care much about this universum... I guess nothing is perfect anyway.
You're exactly right! I didn't like that they changed Aragon's interaction with The Mouth of Sauron either. Very antithetical to Aragon's nature.
I guess that’s why the scene didn’t make the theatrical cut
The scene in the movie is indeed kind of....tame :)...shame that the steed of the Mouth of Sauron was not utilized...from the description in the book, a real...devilish horse hehe could be nice for movie visuals:
"At its head there rode a tall and evil shape, mounted upon a black horse, if horse it was; for it was huge and hideous, and its face was a frightful mask, more like a skull than a living head, and in the sockets of its eyes and in its nostrils there burned a flame. "
One would thikn that with PJ's penchant for horror he could have milked that hellish horse scene :) (just like he could have used the great vampiric bats in The Hobbit "fastening vampire-like on the stricken" :)).
the movies was rubbish, this was the real account of the MOS fate.