TF2: Spy Psychology - How to Master Spy
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- čas přidán 13. 06. 2024
- #TF2 #teamfortress2 #spy
Spy is hard, he dies easily and puts of a lot of mental strain on those that try and learn to play him, but how do you actually go about doing that?
0:00 Intro
1:11 Why Spy is so Hard
3:04 The Process of Learning
5:57 Looking Within
8:06 Sanity
11:38 Outro
Music used (in order of appearance):
Bury The Doom (custom remix created by me)
Metal Gear Rising Revengeance - Revenge with a Vengeance
Super Mario Wonder - Castle Bowser
DOOM - At Doom's Gate
Tears of the Kingdom - Hateno Ancient Tech Lab
Animal Crossing New Horizons - Fireworks Event
Devil May Cry 5 - The Duel
Metal Gear Rising Revengeance - Two Sides to the Coin
Mario and Luigi Dream Team - Dreamy Somnom Labyrinth
Mario and Luigi Dream Team - Bowser's Dream
Metal Gear Rising Revengeance - A Soul Can't Be Cut
The Binding of Isaac Repentance - River of Despair
Cuphead - Threatin' Zeppelin
The Binding of Isaac Antibirth - Outside the Fold
Portal 2 - Act 5 Menu
Laws of Nurture (custom remix created by me)
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8:38
*postive feedback loop
It’s not a Jonto video without a grammatical error
EDIT: my fucking god the first word of this comment is a typo, I’m not even going to correct it because of the irony
postive
Silly goose! Now you have to reupload the whole video! Shame! Go to the corner!
Jonto as the typical trickstab spy main that everyone hates when I enter a server, this advice was genuinely good and true and I think people should take it more seriously than they alr are. During my lower hours I found myself using the same flanks and being frustrated, progressively doing worse and worse, and being scared of failing again but what I didn't know was failure was part of the path of being a cracked spy main and keeping your composure. Also that "it's just a game part" I still had this prob recently but once I started to relax and started thinking of it as a casual game like I'd think about playing pacman the game just flowed like water and I was getting chains pretty easily. To other beginner spy mains out there, keep going and don't let anything stop you bro, if you're far from your goa then you're only gonna get closer.
So... When are you going to launch a trickstab montage?
so you _did_ make it up this time
"You have to start somewhere, and that somewhere involves dying"
so mastering spy is just playing dark souls
nice
Lovely comparison, and very fitting.
Lord of Cinder (pyro)
Literally yea, theres multiple aspects to spy u need to get good at to fully master him
The sad thing is that darksouls is sometimes easier.
SPY IS THE DARK SOULS OF TF2 CLASSES
I like how this video just boils down to “you need to be mentally organized to be good at video games” and you just talk about ways of treating yourself properly and fairly for like 70% of the video. Its honestly a kinda refreshing take of gaming tutorial.
top 5 mistakes i made when starting to play Spy:
-attempting to butterknife people chasing me instead of just shooting them
-thinking that the enemy players are deaf and decloacking too close
-not using ammo packs to refill my cloak
-trying to fight the long range class at close range and instantly dying to jarate+bushwacka, a random crit, or a quickscope
-believing that Medics are free kills and getting ubersawed to death as consequence
quick tip: decloaking right behind people can work you just need to observe them first, the easiest way is to look at hats
@1qxd as someone who started playing recently, I recognize my decloaking directly behind the enemy only works bc I'm probably also getting paired with newer players (one of my first times playing 2fort I heard someone who said they had just got a frontier justice for the first time and shenanigans ensued until the pybro showed up)
Istg the medic one is just
I have a bad addiction of playing kunai + dead ringer, I just like to trickstab, and whenever a medic fights me, it's either i get a stab or they get a one hit krit on me despite me having over 100 HP from kunai.
Oh and the decloaking one isn't 100% true. With a cloak, you can easily decloak behind an enemy ONLY if there are a lot of other noises (fighting) I often decloak a literal dead ringer when there are a lot of fighting. (of course not exactly behind them) but you know what I mean.
one more : SPY HAS A GUN
remove sniper
“Everyone I fail a trickstab, I consider ending my own life”
-average martincitopants moment
Frogman funni
@@halalouis3814 very funny
Tf2 video confirmed
Frogman make me laugh daily.
Fun fact, I let him write that joke
You can't master spy, but spy can master you.
Huh
*Scout's Mother got DOMINATED by Spy*
Don't threaten me with a good time
true
🤨
A week ago i was playing on 2fort and i was in a particularly spy playing mood! And while i was playing i was doing well really well! I got a 12 kill streak (my heighest as spy) with only backstabs! My team then proceeded to kick me and telling me "You can't become one of them!" "We need to save him!"
Still my favourite time i have ever been kicked it TF2!
But still. Do not become one of them.
ONE OF US. ONE OF US. ONE OF US.
I love theses two people above with whole different views
One is rejecting the snake
But the other wants you to taste the forbidden fruit
@@GooberInternet SILENCE WHENCH *airblasts you off the cliff*
@@randomlol-ya3063but the fruit is very tasty its an apple; it convinced me.
A thing to note for quick cloaking is that if you swing your knife, you cannot cloak for the entire duration of the swing animation.
If you use your *GUN* , you can instantly cloak the next frame after clicking mouse 1 to fire, regardless of how far into the firing animation your revolver may be (this also applies for the sapper as well)
SPY HAS A GUNNNNNNNN
You can also reload right before cloaking, it's a very useful thing to learn
Spy as a class is souls-likes incarnate as a character.
No matter how good you get at him, you'll always die in an embarrassing way once in a while. There's a sense of beauty in that.
The ragdolls do be funny sometimes
And still have more fun than play medic in a lobby of 5 snipers 3 scout
9:25 THERE IT IS!
SPY HAS A GUN
I followed your advice and looked inside. I found a Frenchman there. I truly am a monster worthy of playing Spy. Thank you, John Two Hills.
Loved the cameo section and did not expect Martincitopants--great inclusion, sir, and your editing, scripting, and humor continue to be top-notch.
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〘SPY〙
『Team Fortress II』
"We thought Roman Numerals were cooler."
@@orlandodanielgonzalezalcar3360
Pyro tf2 is being sent to your location
2:03
Ain’t no way he’s still watching the Pyrocinical Incident
Man’s been around since the Behind the Lines episode
8:38 Erm, 🤓 that's actually a POSITIVE Feedback loop. (Name is deceiving, yeah) but a negative feedback loop is where the loop DECREASES the stimulus that caused the loop, eventually ending it, while a positive loop increases said stimulus, which leads to the loop increasing more and more, and so on
1:14
This screenshot is interesting out of context…
Scout's mom obviously
1. Lose your job 2. Stop dating your gf or divorce your wife 3. Stop showering and stop changing your underwear 4. Lock yourself in your house 5. Play tf2 all day 6. Gain 9000 hours of playtime in a month despite a single month only having 700 hours 7. Enjoy your skill
Jontohil: "Dying as spy can make you angry" Also Jonto: "Even the most experienced spies can get silly deaths"
8:31 this is actually a positive feedback loop as it keeps on increasing
Actually, an anger-based negative performance making you more angry is called a *_Positive_* Feedback Loop; a Negative Feedback Loop is essentially what counter-balancing methods are, like sweating and shivering among others.
So no, you didn't make up that term; you just used it wrong. :^]
You are one of my favourite TF2 youtubers around! Your content has improved along such a spectacular scale it is hard to believe, please keep it up!
I generally don't click tab to check my death and kills, I usually use it to see if I actually kill a dead ringer spy or see if the cheater had left the game yet.
i was having an awful time palying spy earlier today. kept requeing to no avail. then as i ragequit i decided to scroll youtube when i found this video. after watching it i decided to give it another try, already being able to point out some errors i had made before. i managed to play a 2 hour long 2fort game with the cloak and dagger, spycicle, and diamondback and topscored. the "spy loop" thing is what helped. once i realized that not every server would be the same, and that the players would find me predictable after a bit, i started switching up my paths like you said.
and not ONLY did i topscore, but in the next game i also partnered up with the engineer player i had dominated in the previous round and pybro'd him. so not only did i learn to play spy effectively, but i ALSO made a new steam friend. 10/10 guide
Wholesome story.
The Demo rolling up with the impact of a freight train at 11:00 reminds me why TF2 fucking rules.
8:06 ISAAC :D
Jonto, one thing I always bashed my head against is how enemies were more paranoid than the NPCs in Hitman 2 (the old one), and they spychecked every single player of their color.
I then remembered an old advice from you and tried to get them while they were engaging in combat and... let me say it's so satisfying to kill the heavy locking down the corridor and sneak away ❤
one of my favorite ways to deal with paranoid players is to just look for easier targets or go to a different area. or both. sometimes the only winning move is not to play, so playing somewhere else and only coming back every so often leads to longer lives, at least for me
This series has done so much to help me appreciate spy. Its a major excercise in patience but when things go well its just a good feeling, even as someone who doesnt know fancy techniques like trickstabs.
As someone who plays TF2 through the insane method of changing my class every single life, it feels like the way I think changes every single time I play spy and its nice because i never have to get used to enemies being ready for me at every second.
11:38 unrelated but words cannot express how sad i was when the Rules of Nature lyrics didnt come in at the drop and how happy i was when the did a few secons later. Truly the work of a spy main to mind game even the music choice.
woah tj henry yoshi
PLEASE release your remixes, they're so good. Also, great video, very insightful on Spy & the mindset a player needs to have for him.
3:34 how did i die: 1-pyro looked at me funny 2- random crits
I like the fact that you pointed out to not pay attention to the scoreboard. If youre bottom scoring but the entire enemy team is covering last in flame particles and dying to the heavy pushing the cart in a bid to deny you a stab, then you just win.
i was NOT expecting that martincitopants cameo holy shit
I don’t even play spy often, but I still get excited when these come out because there so well made.
Bro used Bury the Light in a TF2 video.
Mad respect.
Edit: And then proceeds to use the MGRR main menu music right after, SSS video already (I'm one minute in)
Edit 2: Another based DMC reference 7:46
5:10
I might not be a spy main, but it teaches how to combat them
2:00
Alright Martincitopants, calm down.
9:51 About that cucumber joke: I don't know where I got this information, but using the same logic as the tomato argument, you do get the answer of both: Tomatoes are biologically fruits but do not fit the culinary definition of fruit, but tomatoes cannot biologically be vegetables due to the lack of a biological definition and thus can fit the only (relevant) definition of vegetables with immense ease. Cucumbers, following the same rules as tomatoes, are technically both fruits and vegetables, being biologically fruits and culinarily vegetables.
8:50 THOSE COWS ARE BEAUTIFUL!!!🐮
sir, those are hiffers, you have been deceived
@@engifromtf2 man…
These videos are the only reason I actually play spy, otherwise he'd be my least played class
Weird, it's actual stealth gameplay in a multiplayer shooter
that opening remix of Bury the Light goes hard
AYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
NIce vid :3 keep up the good work
8:57 that was way funnier then it had any right to be
Same with 10:59
@@thesuperintendent4290fair point
4:18 this reminds me of a very good quote that can be applied to quite alot of things "if you know yourself and you know your enemy you shall not fear the result of a hundred battles" Sun Tzu - The Art of War. if any of you haven't read it i would highly recommend.
I love how this video focuses on not only the meta of the game, but gaming in general. I think that laying that foundation down is super important and is something I find very helpful.
From how to play spy to how to master spy, this has been a fun journey! Good job all throughout the years and good luck with you future work!
As a (semi-aggressive) engineer main, I can confirm that switching class is very important for relaxing a little your brain. Also I'm trying to get better at spy to complete a Foundry achievement. Very nice content, I would recommend it for everyone just to learn a little this bizarre class
What makes me happy as a clam is someone finally talking about the mental health aspects of spy in a somewhat serious note. I love tf2 and Spy as a class but boy oh boy I've certainly have had moments where I have said some pretty homicidal things over a game bc of pyros. And ultimately whilst I improve myself I heavily suggest to others to at least have a 2nd main or 3rd on standby if your not having a good day as spy. Or just don't play tf2 at all. Instead play some ULTRAKILL or some other game you like to goof around in!
I'm not ready for the casual spypocalypse following this video...
It's the funi
*SPY HAS A GUN*
Guy! :)
Love your vids man. I'm too stupid to begin with learning classes myself so I usually switch to youtubers. You're super helpful with your tutorials!
Also seeing Marti and some other tf2bers really made me happy.
Mart is magnificent, and I will attempt to get him to post a tf2 video. Him or waffletime.
This series is so entertaining and helpful keep it up! 😄
about a year ago i randomly downloaded tf2 and had no idea what it was. then out of nowhere, i found your videos (i think my first one was the one with the different watches) no i am a spymain and can never stop playing the game. Thank you for showing me how cool the spy class can be. and thank you for making me addicted :)
I LOVED the style of this video, sooo well done dude
5:58 Holy mary, a fellow Dream Team enjoyer? Mr. Johnny Tohil is so BASED
Dreamy Sumnom Woods goes hard, wasnt expecting to hear it
I'm glad that I wasn't the only one who noticed that.
Love it!!! These videos motivate me to practice more :) Keep it up man!
You know that you are good at spy when you are dominating pyro with backstabs
Your videos are just amazing, informative, fun, with great editing, easy to understand. You have everything that a guide could ever ask for.
YOOOO!!!
Martincitopants
the funni frog man!
10:40 this is good advice for improving in general, focus on what you did well and improve on deficits instead of chasing arbitrary points, especially for support oriented classes like spy medic and engi
4:49 fun fact:- my cousin who i rarely meet once came into my house,and i was playing tf2,he said he wanted a turn,now he had no idea of what tf2 was,but he still chose scout,and i dont know HOW but he killed 2 to 3 people without dying in his first life,he barely had any experience playing shooter games on pc lol
The intro hits HARD
Honest to god, two thousand hour player here.
I have *never* been good at spy, until recently I haven't noticeably imrpoved at all.
He got us the first half , not gonna lie
5:10 I don't play tf2 your videos are just so good
My guy, the music syncing with the visual effects in this video is glorious eye-candy.
I know they’re pretty simple, but simple can be awesome. Very nice job mah man!
Good job with the visuals in this particular video. They've always been good but your editing here is incredibly well done.
This also fits for assassin's creed or spy games in general.
0:07 when you get 8h of sleep and for no reason your feel 9000% better than usual
I swear I had one of those days and I was trickstabing left and right and bearly missed any shots I felt like a god
For 30m then all my skill evaporated away and I could not hit a shot or a backstab to save my life and I have 0idea why
Love the video and editing well done!
For the times that the games just aren’t happening that day
A great therapy game is Mortal Sin, a first person hack and slash roguelike, at some point early on you unlock the berserker class which is just heavenly when you get in the groove of cosplaying as Guts without Grifith hounding you 24/7
2:41 boat
if you get it you get it.
BOAT
BOAT
B O A T
Ship
Boat
11:04
Hehe, Fustrating
Learning from your own mistakes is a great advice that you can apply to pretty much anything. Great job!
You've made a video on dealing with pyros, dealing with engineers, the next step is dealing with other spies
3:59 wait... february 27 is my birthday! i was born in 2004 tho
Anti birthday
are you sayin'... that i'm a spy?
I always love the intros you make, but this one has gotta be my favorite so far
dude your edits are AMAZING, fantastic work!!
great video, i instantly noticed the instrumental part of "its been so long," I have had that song stuck inn my head all day
I really just cannot understand why you don't get more views with this level of quality!
Your videos didn't just help me get better at spy, they actually made me try him more in the first place and that's the real win here
I instantly got better at spy because of this series, literally learned hidden stats and techniques that when i actually listened and implemented improved my gameplay massively. Thanks for the amazing advice!
Bro your Bury the Light and Rules of Nature custom remixes hit so hard! I also think your explanation of gaining experience is very accurate. Everyone dies in TF2, and it should always be taken as a learning experience instead of a frustrating setback. Even the best TF2 players die in the game.
"Spy is hard"
Spy need slef control
Did not expect Martin coming back lol
Amazing video as always!
that is a very good tutorial Jontohil! keep it up
Just discovered this, amazing editing and content! Keep the good work
All these tricks and techniques are geniunely great! Really a lot of people overlook the psychological aspect of playing spy (which is admittedly the most important aspect as the key to your success is literally understanding and reading your opponents) and the importance of mental self-care.
Love your videos!
Their so dang well made and have helped me "master" spy!
You should really have more subscribers noe
A good chunk of what you said here is good advice for every class. I'm mainly a medic/demoknight main who also loves fats scouting, and much of this works for those classes, too.
Your videos are always a great time to watch and listen to, and it looks like this video took a lot of work too! Well done!
Gotta say you're one of my fav tf2 CZcamsrs, the information is helpful and the editing is always top notch. Great video 👍
i've never been much of a spy player throughout my tf2 journey, but these guides have gave me inspiration to try it out
very good videos, keep it up :)
this is some of the best editing and teaching. you could become a teacher for something often used like chemistry
All the videos were about mastering his tools, like a spy university. This is the graduation video.
The music choice for this video was absolutley perfect! DMC, The binding of isaac (wait, what? hell yeah!) and Metal Gear Rising, all have banger soundtracks
8:38 IT'S A POSITIVE FEEDBACK LOOP
Since positive basically means encouraging/facilitating the same thing to keep repeating
If it was a negative feedback loop you'd get happy quite soon after getting angry
A quick reminder for what the 4th thing also does for you in the insanity section is that it makes the enemy team less paranoid as they aren’t finding any spies now meaning when you do switch back to spy they’ll be less likely to suddenly turn around or have a pyro clear out the area of spies
I love the rythm of those videos you deffinitly is my fav tf2 ytber
The editing in these videos are next level.. love it!
WOOO new spy psychology video (says the medic/pyro player)
i LIVE for the sfm and editing in these videos you have no idea . love these so much
Another Excellent Video love all the Editing and small Jokes.
YOU ARE GODDAMN GENIUS! I WAS ALWAYS TILTED AND FORGOT IT'S A VIDEOGAME!
(also loop stuff is definitely my problem) watched all your vids, love you
How dare you make me question the identity of cucumbers.
Usually AS SOON as i die i check the leaderboard and get so frustrated cuz i get more deaths than kills, no spy main has explained this to me so thank you