Jordan Peterson ~ Hyper Achiever Men
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- Jordan Peterson ~ Hyper Achiever Men
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Just think of a teddybear
haha why does it start like that
Yeah @@Revion91,will u just think of teddy bear 🐻
So anyways!
HAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Absolutely.
Jordan’s guidance has been invaluable to me in my early 20’s. From ages 15-20 life had absolutey no meaning in my eyes. I didn’t want success, I didn’t even know what made me happy because I hadn’t felt happiness in a LONG time by age 20. I then stumbled upopn Petersons lectures, picked up his book, and now I’m 26 and my life is turning around!
thats great man!! How's thing going at 28
I did the same around 27. Im 32 now. Made a MASSIVE difference when I had no one to talk to while my life was spiraling out of control. Took about 1-2 years to turn it around.
Coming from a family riddled with depression, addiction and suicides, my heart goes out to you and your family. May your symptoms be easing and your recovery long lasting. Beth (Scottsdale, AZ)
I can tell you why that has happened
@@shaneamenta309 why
@@shaneamenta309 why?
Hope things have gone better and the future will be brighter for you and your family.
Have a great day! Merry Christmas, Happy New Year and Happy Holidays! Cheers, buddy! 🥂
God Bless! Stay strong, stay safe and take care of yourselves! Wishing everyone the best! Jesus loves you! May the Holy Spirit guide you! 😇 💗🕊
And I agree with you every time that I’m doing bad no one wants to help me but when I’m doing good it’s like everyone standing on my shoulders
Time to get new friends. I did when I married my wife. My hometown was just too bitter depressing and violent as a result. When I moved I got rid of all the weeds in my life but moving isn't always an option
i work a lot because i love creating things for society. my sex life has suffered as i literally will often not be home because i love working. its lile doing a grandiose business painting. i think business and work is sometimes expression of man needing competition or development
A man with a IQ of 145 and who works 100+ hours a week isn't going to have alot of time for all the women that's throwing themselves at them.
That's not the point at all. High status doesn't imply pleasure seeking, it just says hard working men are better off during times of scarcity of resources, and therefore this behaviour is encouraged by society, mainly by women - it makes the odds of propagating genes higher. It's the woman who is attracted to the man, the man doesn't necessarily care all that much - because why would a man even strive for more of something he basically has unrestricted access to at any time? On the contrary, I'd suspect there are stronger motivators than sex or romantic relationships for such people.
@@mareksajner8567 I like this you spoke well good sir
@@mareksajner8567 yeah their are higher purposes than sex or even romantic love.
Let’s say a guy who’s IQ 145 and works 100+ hours a week, he’s likely to be rich af, and therefore at least have the *option* of many women being interested in him.
I believe he meant Wilt Chamberlain
Mos Def, Kareem Abdul Jabar isn't that type of guy, but Wilt sure the hell is.
Wilt claimed 20K
Thanks Jordan, have a good week. Cheers.
Hello
You have something on your mind haven't you! You are planning something, to come up with something.
at least for the time you wrote it!!
You need to be honest been trying to kill myself since I was seven I’m now 25 sometimes I go through a lot of depression but thanks to you you gave me these tools that I can fight back with now thank you Dad
Just remember this,
The world is ran by ego maniacs, and they fucked it all up, even to the creator.
You know this at a sub concience level.
Even myself gets overloaded from time to time, and i get so near to how you are thinking.
All i remember is
I am sane,
They are not.
It is like I remember the galaxy.
It has been around, in balance for the infinate.
So why worry about a govenment/society that has not evolved,
But devolved.
Hope this makes sense.
Be of the world, but not of it 😊
Keep climbing that dominance hierarchy brother
Stay tough and find something to be hungry about and chase. We men are hunters and need that chase. Take care, bro.
It's true. I only did it for 25 years. I knew the costs in health and personal relationships. I did it anyway because someone in my Appalachian family had to pay the cost for future generations. Soldiers pay an even higher price.
Watch out for what you wish for. Coming from a very successful family, I ran behind succeess and did succeed. The price though wasn't something low. I am almost 29 now, yet have worked more than what a lot of people would in their entire lifetime. 3 successful holding companies. I was burnt like crazy. 3 packs of cigarettes a day, prescription anti-fatigue meds cups and cups of coffee, hookers and booze is what it took to work 16 straight hours a day, 7 days a week.
Be careful what you wish for. Living the fast life for too long, you might end up like me, unable to rest. Having an unlimited ambition can turn you into a person like me, never contended with anything.
Can I work for you? I'll work for free in exchange for your experience and knowledge of business.
Content.
Oh dear 👀
It's not simply the income inequality, it's also the lack of economic mobility. If there is income inequality but the feeling that everybody can get ahead, then the Strife and class warfare and violence will not be as bad.
But if people feel like there is no way to get ahead then that is when society collapses.
He literally said this
High inequality is the result of a lack of mobility.
@@julianedesfayes6154 lack of mobility and high inequality is a result of bad governance, typically the form of heavy regulation, high taxes, or both.
Income inequality means nothing if everybody has class mobility and can become rich for poor depending on their choices.
@@hariman7727 if there is high inequality, it obviously means that mobility is limited, or the inequality would solve itself.
@@julianedesfayes6154 actually the exact opposite happens. When there is both freedom and class mobility the income inequality Gap widens but everybody becomes richer because everybody is free to make no money including the rich.
Income equality is not a good goal because it's stifles people who would Excel and rewards people who do nothing.
But income inequality is also a good way to make people hate each other because some people have more.
It's a distraction from the actual economic problems.
10,000 would be a different person every day for almost 30 years
Basketball players are not known for their mathematical skills...
Multiple women everyday over a few years.
@Derian Setoguchi Best.Reply.Ever.
@Derian Setoguchi even zeus couldn't handle that wtf my dude
He meant Wilt Chamberlain not KAJ 🤦🏽♂️ JP come on dude …
Excellent analysis. An intellectual tour de force
Thank you Jordan Peterson you make a lot of sense so true
i love his way of explaning, and motvating att the same time
You know I was doing so well then I fell in love with this girl called me back it was like a snake eating all my apples and I almost turned sour from where’s all these good people in life like you Jordan Peterson
Correlation does not equal causation
Not sure how high my IQ is but how can I find out been listening to you for the last nine months you have change my life massively Jordan Peterson you are my father you know I got left in the park when I was young by my mother you have made me a man I need you in life father
Its worse than before, iq cannot increase over your lifetime but decrease because you get older and stupid
@@steveberman654wild
clearly not very high, please learn how to write.
I need to be more industrious and focused
You are my CZcams kindred spirit.
Artúr Tóth 🙌🙌
Mmm. The heck with this unproductive days...
Proverbs 21: 20
He might've meant Wilt Chamberlain, but Wilt claimed 20K
3:12 I think JP meant to say Wilt Chamberlain 😂
Yes. Wilt was a c-hound. Kareem is a dick.
Kareem scored the most
Damn 15.000 woman and i can't get text back
Amar Mrkulić rt
I feel you bro
If 1000 days is almost equivalent to 3 years, 15000 means spending 45 years each night with a different woman. It is impossible to achieve. The number is definitely inflated unless having multiple partners per night. 24 years each night with 2 or 15 years with 3 and keeping your life expectancy unharmed by STDs. It is definitely inflated. It just illustrates the phenomenon.
@@joeah3479 Yeah, no, most definitely incorrect. I was curious and so searched it up, and he quite obviously refuted the claim, although he was apparently quite licentious in his earlier days, so very well could have been over a thousand.
😂😂😂
Why are there more male CEOs? Why are there more male peacocks with elaborate feathers?
Wow the last minute is now
Look at the sample sizes, n=14 and n=38. How can that be used to reach any conclusions at all?
Joel Hedtjärn could of been a classroom thing
Most of the studies he references usually aren’t reliable
@@mgm8075 don't question this god
Man*
Because statistics teaches the way it does to avoid skewed data from bias picking including regions locally. There are ways to have a subset that low and still have it represent a majority of the population. Not only that, but it’s almost entirely probably a smaller study of a larger statistic he’s citing which happens quite regularly. He actually states this in the lecture that the data is generally common. PEW research cites it as well. Generalizations are made due to truths that usually exist statistically or truthfully, for example homicide rates based on ethnicity and crime rates in bad cities. Now this doesn’t mean generalization is necessarily good as it leads to orwellian thought crime. To think anything he is citing in this video is false is indicative of your own bias.
@@TheNerdKeep I agree with everything you just said, except the last sentence. It was an honest question from someone who doesn't understand statistics. I am not entirely confident he's being bias.
That actually gives a very good insight to think about inequality dont you think, the problem is that it takes too much time to people actually realize that it isn't smart keep killing each other until a real change has the chance to come up to light.
However there are also high performers who do not have a disproportional amount of sexual activity. Correlation might not be causation.
Levelworm Right... So their motivation is just to work themselves miserable for no reason at all - absolutely divorced from their biological drives and mechanisms? Wow, what a thinker you are.
@@j2582 There could be other reasons, why do you eliminate other reasons?
@@Levelworm the main is to get 😽
The thing is, if the guy is a sucker, the woman may just use him for his resources and nothing else
I want to be in that 1/1000 category in publications!! Or maybe not. The quality of publications matters much more than quantity. Jung had a good life and exceptional work.
@Reality Depends on what your "work" is and what your goals in life are. Being an accountant for a top 4 or wall street trader working 90 hours a week for years just to make money so you can buy a mansion and fancy car to "flex" seems like a wasted life to me.
However, say you're an investment banker who makes bank, is very industrious, and works himself to a point where he has a high position of power and plenty of financial independence backing to actually do something of impact with that money, id say thats a life well lived. There are a few millionares and even billionares who actaully do tremendous good with the capitial they have acquired, we just don't hear about them as much.
I want to be in the 1/1000 category, not because I want fancy cars or a big house, but becuase I want to help my community and ive come to realize that the biggest way to have an impact on this world is to have capital that you can use to actually help people without worrying about paying your own bills.
And not to get political with it, but that is the beauty of capitalism that most people dont get. If you just learn how to play the game, YOU can be the driving force behind change, not through government interference (government already takes 30% of my income yearly through taxes and does next to nothing with it, why would that change if they had access to more money?) , but with your own hardwork and willpower. Sure, I dont think ill ever change the world in my lifetime. But I know I can change the world for SOME people, and to me thats a life well lived.
That question, by the way, was so damn brilliant! You could tell she was following along(^_-)
I’ve been working over 100 hours a week for 6 years now. It ain’t worth it.
RobDC88 and what did you do for those 6 years other than do the same thing over and over again? Get up and continue to be in the rat race. Yeah not worth it. Always be on the move, have the courage to learn new things, don’t be afraid to suck at something new. Did you invest any money. I’m sure not. You look like you work for money, have your money work for you.
R u a petroleum engineer??
Snubbing units and work over rigs
Jorge Villarejo Good advice.
correct its a combination of hard work and working smart ...also IQ and career choice is important and money is pretty easy to make.
5:18 .. i had to pause the video to absorb what he just said before
Same! It actually explains why crime, especially against women, in South Africa is getting worse..
Wow!
Previous sequence ?
Know few like this
Just lie back and think of a teddybear.
I know a guy tall not booksmart or school no diploma he do security for the club . He have a lot of women because he know how to talk and he is big . Every cohorts of women do not seek the same thing . So not all men work hard for success because they do not need it . Also there is men willing to achieve their dreams not just the will to have status or women .
Very interesting.... I would imagine that the data is focused mostly on humans who are in socially influenced fraternities - like artistry in Music and other entertainment fields....because in other fraternities, by simply being up in the success ladder, that may even mean that your sexual exposure would drop drastically simply because you would have little time for such. I type this as I think of STEM fields... In fact you find some people in those fields rather settling in marriages than starting to play the around a lot.
NB: This is only an opinion that comes from a South African view of a STEM field mind. So I am very limited to argue against what is being shared in this video.
My own opinion is that those in the STEM fields typically are a lot more stable, they feel "less" and typically have more patience for difficulty and lack of understanding. Which I think means they can hang on a bit to see if someone is worth spending time with and seeing if the road is worth traversing. Artists on the other hand, usually totally unstable, we all know that person who NEEDS to hit it off (and knock it out of the park) with someone else on the first date or its an out and out no. And everything can be perfectly amazing, and then a little difficulty appears and BAM, split up, moving on, worst relationship ever. Now nobody is strictly either of these but some combination, but i bet that you could make some strong correlations
That's a good one. But I do think what Jordan is trying to say is that the status in relation to sexual opportunity is a motivation, whether conscious or not. Note that it's sexual opportunity... not sexual actualization. So, I think there's a difference there. It poses more opportunity for everyone at the top of the scale whether they're in STEM or not. Now when you bring up whether that kind of opportunity is actually utilized or CAN actually be utilized, that's when we can observe a disparity between STEM and more artistic top-tier men.
Addiction....to work
‘The issue is not that there are not many women in that category. The issue is why are there any men in that category?’ I am one of those men and not a single week goes by when I ask myself that same question. What am I doing this for?
So how do you create more opportunities?
cause life is stupid and work is awesome. forget girls.
That's right life spin 😏🙂⚖🌬🌪
Kareem Abdul Jabbar did what I think you meant Wilt Chamberlain
I think he meant wilt chamberlain
Definitely meant Wilt Chamberlain. Kareem Abdul jabbar would never.
Can you be a hyper-achiever without any skills?🤔 When it comes to job applications, isn’t it the thought that counts? I’m just waiting on my first call back, but I’m definitely a predisposed workaholic...
You cant hyper achieve with out any skills. Workaholic but you need skills to hyper acheive.
I guess I am a Jordan fan or at least of some of the things he says. But that rumour claim was by Wilt Chamberlain not Kareem. I understand basketball doesn’t have to be his thing, but this error makes me feel uneasy.
If it makes you feel better he’s recognized that it’s wilt chamberlain before
I was thinking of a teddybear the whole time, it got me nowhere :(
It's a bit funny and ironic how Peterson is basically describing himself when he delineates the peculiarity of hyper-achieving men.
Yup! The guy works 14 hours a day, 7 days a week. That’s 98 hours a week.
It made him very unwell
Wilt Chamberlain had the 10,000 number not Kareem.
He meant Wilt Chamberlain… huge win knowing something he doesn’t 😂
Men who require that much special attention will not be remembered.
Wilt Chamberlain, not Kareem...
5:02 -is that not tha scariest shit youve heard all week
Wilt Chamberlain not Kareem Abdul Jabar.
He was talking about wilt the stilt chamberlain, kareem was not like that at all lol
How long have you been working out Ian?
@@lastravaganza2385 about 9 years
@@IanMusa you look fantastic
@@lastravaganza2385 Appreciate the kind words Alec, thank you !
Wilt Chamberlain not Kareem
It wasn’t Kareem..but Wilt..I guess
This idea of working 70 / 80 hours a week, reaching rockstar status, becoming mega rich and ballin super models appeals far more to me than having a smelly old wife and kids.
Same. But tbh I am not fond of 70/80 hours work week. However beats the alternatives. lol
Andrew Glass and you’ll have someone that only loves you for your money most likely too! But keep working towards your goals 👌🏼 better than sitting around all day! :)
I don't think it has to be either of those things. Life is whatever you make of it.
I think a part of being human is accepting your limitations and also your own inclinations and finding a niche which works for you.
I'm just waiting to finish University to start that kind of life
man, yes, but the thing is that there are millions of guys who don't work 80 hours a week and have hundreds and hundreds of women, if not thousands. and they are not very rich either. so...how do you explain that? curious for your answer
teddy baer
As Hyper Achiever men are the ones who are worth a damn, why are there so many of us who are worthless? I've never achieved or succeeded at anything I've ever tried. I don't have the ability to be a decent human being.
I think the board is resetting now as we speak mates just hold on
Status, 1 in 10,000
Well with todays economy, it’s almost a necessity to be hyper competitive
100+hours a week that me. Aussie interstate
@Limit Masaki still a slave regardless of the amount u make. Australia is a scaming steeling government
@Limit Masaki $2500 after tax is in reach
john john why work 100 hours a week twords your business
@@coreythomas3633 I'm just a worker
@Limit Masaki small place australia
Makes sense in the priesthood and sexual partners.
"Just think of a teddy bear"
woah what?
Are these the bradys, Kobe's , lebrons and Ronaldo's??
Have it
m
I would like for him to be my teacher, just so I could speak freely about this stuff, though I have a lot of this awareness already, and it wouldn’t change my position. I had a rough childhood, and I’m 28 and haven’t had good, close friends since I was a little kid. Haven’t held a job for a long period of time. Never had a relationship last more than 4 months (though I don’t really consider this as much as a failure). I don’t really want to be in a relationship, I want to see how much social and sexual prowess I can have, and I want to have sex with many beautiful girls. I didn’t get to fool around with girls in high school. I went to a small high school, had emotional issues from life incidence and an awful family dynamic. I was not confident in certain ways. I had performance anxiety and have it even today. I’m a pretty good-looking guy though out of shape currently, but it wouldn’t take long for me to get in good shape. Sometimes I get angry and jealous of pretty females because I feel like they can float through life, getting whatever it is they want handed to them. They never really have to work for anything, and they can focus on other things because they don’t have to struggle to obtain the things that I struggle to get. And then there’s many guys that had easy childhoods and were directed from a young age down a path of success, with some biological and circumstantial advantages, that enable them to get the things they want with ease. Also, when I was younger, I tried to be too nice. That didn’t help. I think if I had success with girls when I was younger, if I had friends, life would be exponentially easier. I wouldn’t feel the need to go down this route, and I’d be happy focusing on work and having a girlfriend. Now, I just want to make a lot of money, live a selfish life with many young girls to choose from, and THEN have a girlfriend if she’s ok with me living the life I want. I’m probably going to do an intensive business course in NYC, and I will try hard to make my own business (s). I don’t have an IQ of 145,
but I feel like that’s less important. As long as you’re decently smart and driven, that’s what matters.
You're not alone bro
Go for it Yolo
1:45
Arent all these facts,already well known?That,crudely speaking,women open legs more,for successful men.
5:00
its over, underachievers bros...
I try to sleep 100hours a week
My Mensa IQ was 117 ( SD 16 ).
Sherlock Holmes lives. Not sure you can get into MENSA with 117
@@andrionary
I failed to get into Mensa! But that was my Mensa IQ test result.
What’s the minimum for MENSA? Will I make it at 134?
@@cheifboyardee48 Depends which test, I think they usually demand at least 130-140
Not to argue with the great Dr Peterson I believe it was Wilt Chamberlin who claimed ten-thousand women.
글쎄 별로 동의가 안 되는데?
I’m the smartest person in the world so I get it
Yeet
@@seeker11 LOL, i knew a white person was going to say something
@@coreythomas3633 Get out of that rabbit hole you are in brother , it leads nowhere.
@@seeker11 rabbit hole. White COLONIALISM, jim crow, slavery. Lie about my history in the public schools. Took my people wealth and invention. Don't try to understand me cuz I have every right to feel the way I feel
These are the studies that Gender Studies departments should be doing.
i saw him in my dream
Still thinking of a teddybear.....instructions unclear!
If the correlation is .8 it doesn't necessarily mean it's the whole reason.
Wilt Chamberlain not Kareem, and I think 10k women was made up by a journalist, but I think the point still hold, it was more than I.
I personally doubt that working a hundred hours a week is ever much good. Better IMO to work 35 to 40 but to be very focused, goal oriented and productive.
After that 35 to 40 you still thinking about it, till the last second before sleep😂😂
As I checked the truth about sexual partner numbers, it isn't true that they have slept with that number of women. They denied the number and claimed that it isn't a realistic number. It's harmful and dangerous to bring this claim about sexual partner in a university lecture. Even Warren Beatty made a statement about it 3 years later this video has taken, JBP should research more carefully. He could explain that socioeconomic level of a person determines the number of sexual partner he will have. If he lies about this point, people will judge themselves unnecessarily.
I don't buy the income inequality correlation. Homicide rates go up and down over time - without regard to income inequality. And what inequality matters? You'd need to see it for it to have effect.
I wish my psych lecturers were like this 🥲
Is the behavior of a psychopath and a hyper achiver man related?
I find it very unlikely that the two men mentioned slept with that many women. 15,000 women by the one guy? If you divide 15,000 by 365 days a year, you get more than 41 years. That means that that man had sex every day with a different woman for 41 years. The other guy had to have had sex with a different woman every day for 27 years. If the first guy started this at puberty, let's say 12 years old, (very unlikely). He would be having sex every day until he was 53 years old. If he started this marathon at age 20, it would have continued until he reached the age of 61. I think both of these men are just being boastful and exaggerating.
If you write back to me it’ll be like God spoke to me and I know that you’re not God because God is a very powerful person but so are you
5:24 “And a lot of them, they Bla… within race” Lord help us, please!
Did he just explain in front of student that revolutions are related to male reproductive lack of opportunity? How is possible to disseminate personal impressions and pseudoscience to this extent?
We need to separate the women whom the hyper achievers slept with into 2 categories.
1. Women whom these guys paid and
2. The women who genuinely wanted it.
With tons of money, any man could sleep with a million women.
But how many of the women genuinely find the men in that category attractive?
A food for thought.
Jordan is lucky Kareem Abdul-Jabbar didn't sue him for confusing him with Wilt Chamberlain. The two basketball stars could not have been more different. Wilt bragged about 10,000 conquests, mos def NOT Kareem, a gentleman and scholar. I'll give my boy Jordan a pass since he's a Canadian, lol. No American sportsman would ever get those two mixed up.
5:58 In the past, JP ripped on men that have opted out of the dating pool, yet here he basically defends their actions as scientific and historical fact. Hypocracy?
When you find the video that will be your suicide note
That’s wilt chamberlain 😂 Kareem is literally the opposite of that
Correlation doesn't mean causation jordy
it can imply it though
Rule number 1
how is it not obvious to you that Success and getting Laid Are linked at causation, eventhough he only claimed they are correlated
Physical attractiveness is still the biggest predictive factor for the number of sexual partners across a person's life time male or female.
uh... clearly you don't understand psychological statistical measurement.
There's a reason he says numbers when he mentions the correlations.
When certain correlations have sufficiently high accuracy, they are implied causations until an even CLOSER correlation is discovered.
The caveat is that most of the time, correlations never reach an accuracy sufficient enough to be brought up in conversations by conscientious psychologists like peterson.
However the studies he IS talking about have such insane correlative data and measurement that it would be stupider to NOT think of them as potentially causal.
You can't just parrot thing's you've heard without understanding the context in which he is discussing this topic. When you get to the expert level like peterson you leave the realm of talking about already proven absolutes. These people are on the frontline of new discoveries and studies that require them to be much more liberal in their definitions to be able to experiment and reach new heights of academia.
Jesus loves you.
Kinda like if aliens were to come and take over humans wouldn’t feel that aggression towards each other?