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- Jordan Peterson explains the difference between men and women.
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the cameraman gets a hella workout during this dude's lectures
Back and forth, back and forth, X ♾
so much the worse if he/she is disagreeable.
He's just moving his hand around
its probably one of those gopro tracking cameras
"hella workout" dude shut up.
In recent days it’s hard to find a CZcams video on the topic of the difference between men and women that allows comments. It’s so refreshing to hear someone have the knowledge and strength to talk about this. There is a difference and it should be acknowledged. We are doing ourselves a great disservice by pretending there is not. Thank you Dr. Peterson
Came into the video thinking that this was going to be a counselling session on relationships between men and women, and finished the video with an extraordinary insight to how the differences in personalities can really impact a career growth! Simply mindblowing and very relevant to where I am now, thank you (:
I'm high in agreeability and Conscientiousness. I've had to learn from my husband how to actually say what i think and be honest about it. It is very difficult but in my marriage, it is very important because he feels disrespected when i am not truly honest about how i feel, so instead of avoiding conflict, it actually creates more conflict. I've gotten much better at not being walked over by people, but it is still a struggle
this talk is so good that i listen to it repeatedly.
and sometimes rewatched it for his body language.
Very interesting and as a woman interesting that I see things differently. It’s because of men’ strength that I fear standing up against them and as a single woman I find myself more vulnerable than married women for a host of reasons. Primarily, I have no male partner to defend me (no ring to indicate this either) so I’m fair game and go out into the world alone. One of the sad reasons child marriages occur is ironically to protect women from random men.
Yeah
I enjoy you video, always will to learn more❤
One of the best psychologist.
6:24, 12:40 last comment, socialized (kind/compassionate/caring) disagreeableness (blunt/truthful/honest/competitive/driven) is the goal.
To be virtuous you must be both
UN MOVIMIENTO SENSUAL SENSUAAAL
Akira the Don picked some ideas of the original clip to make a song called: "agreeable and conscientious". Great artist👍
This is an absurdly important topic of discussion for our current culture
But unfortunately an ignored and unaccepted one for most people these days
like he said there s no wrong between agreeable and disagreeable. What he s criticizing is being too much on either side. Be smart, stay in the middle, know when to be agreeable or disagreeable depend on situation
I love how he’s constantly circling around the room and basically having a conversation with the entire class
@who da bruh wait what
@who da bruh _Oh god_
@who da bruh lol
@who da bruh what meme is this please explain
I love how your submit to men
I like how they cut out the part where he said “if a man hits a women it might kill her”
I was wondering what got cut out there. Thank you.
I know for a fact , if my ex-special forces brother ever hit me, I would need immediate hospitalization, if I survived it.
Why they cut it tho ?
EndlessImaginations the whole video does go against your idea of the left, so I don’t think that’s why.
Although he does get his point across so the cut doesn’t really matter.
So what I learnt form this is
I am agreeable
Jordan is also agreeable
Agreeable people find it difficult to decide what they want and how they're going to get it.
Jordan Peterson has learned to negotiate on his own behalf and speak the plain truth.
I need to learn to negotiate on my own behalf too.
I agree
Well said, thanks for the summary.
I too think I am an agreeable Person. I love that in Psychology those traits are seen as equal. I mean, he explains in the video that none of the traits is right, none is wrong. Both have their advantages and their disadvantages. Now I just need to learn to stand up for myself and thus minimize my disadvantages. :)
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Right on
As an agreeable person is can say I am in agreeance to this statement.
As a deeply agreeable person, I feel like I'm watching roast of myself.
agreed
Cause you see defensively by default
Hahaha same
Well at least your not in denail like a disagreeable person could be
“a roast”
I find myself to be a VERY agreeable person to a fault. I completely relate when he says agreeable people sometimes don't even know what they want at all. I've realized I'm so self conscious about how I treat other people that I forget what I enjoy and desire because that's no longer my focus-- even in acting class when the director says to act truthfully to myself, I honestly don't know how to do that. Because I'm hyper aware of myself I find flaws that probably don't even exist in me, and I'm terrified of having to live by myself, solve my own issues, and face conflict. I've been living for other people and I thank Mr. Peterson for making me reevaluate myself. I have to learn how to say no and put myself first for a change.
I truly understand. Hope you are doing well since you’ve discovered this about yourself. It is such a challenge. This awareness has set me upon a totally different trajectory in profession and personally. Good luck and awesomely brave if you!
Well...there's a social psych theory that humans selected agreeableness the same way we domesticated dogs
By killing off those who didn't show the desired trait
Back in the day (theory) the community had little problem bashing in the heads of nasty people as they slept
Ergo...psychopaths with really good social skills
Wowww....
It happens that parents raise their kids to be obediants and not have too much needs, so those children learn that expressing their needs will bother their parents, therefore they lose touch with their needs.
Me too, i feel like i want to be liked and accepted more than i want to make myself happy
I'm surprised anyone this intelligent is allowed on a college campus these days.
Its incredible that hes still a public figure with all of his controversies. Just listen and learn for as long as hes around for
Can't agree more! ;-)))
Shots fired
All men are aware they stronger upper strength at puberty (but this guy has the guts to admit it)
@@carlurbananimals it's common knowledge and it's still OK to say it, it's just that some news networks fear monger political correctness culture and make it seem more widespread than it is, but basically every male in a college campus that isn't gay knows that men are stronger than women lol
"You'll line up to be exploited"
This is one of the greatest lessons I ever learned in life, and I thank Mr. Peterson for teaching it to me. Has helped me so much to see this trait in myself and learn to stop letting others run me over.
This helped me be more empathetic to my nursing wife.
Wonderful. Great. I hope you're actually doing what you said
Good for you! She could use that❤️
kangaroos are people
Haramble did nafin wrong.
except die when we needed him the most :'(
he is helping Kek now,so he never forgot about us.
And that's that. So...
dat rayciss yo
holy shit the overly agreeable thing fits me perfectly. dammit.
it sucks
Lill Painter sorry bud. That sucks
You can try to change your behavior despite your temperament but it might not sit well with you deep down thats what I would think
I married a disagreeable man, and I find that I have slowly changed from more agreeable, to middle ground or close to disagreeable.
Hey! If u truly r an agreeable person, you'd be enclined to agree. Dont u agree? i say that u agree a final time to agree to be freed. Then set urself Free and be Free to just be...
Dr. Peterson, you have helped our marriage so much....we were always OK and had a good foundation, but after listening to your lectures on the differences between men and women has helped us so much in understanding all our arguments and struggles, there is so much more understanding of each other and our days are so much more lovely and enjoyable now for us.
The disagreeable man you described sounds exactly like my father lol
Maybe you both have the same father but different mother.
Exactly like my mother.
Hypothesis: Fathers have to be disagreeable to get shit done and to teach children the way of the conflict.
This is amazing! He’s voicing a notion I’ve had for a while! I’m not a mother (nor should I be, I just graduated high school) but I do have four younger siblings. I’m pretty used to pandering to infants. And I’ve realized that most of the major conflicts in my life have been caused by me treating mature people like infants by being way too accepting of their BS.
Watching Jordan's videos has the added bonus of reminding me I need to clean my room.
why is domestic violence between human x kangaroo relationships so rare though?
it does happen people frequently get attacked by kangaroos here in Australia, and of course humans shoot millions of kangaroos because apparently there are too many of them.
Because Humans brought Guns to a Boxing Match. Kangarous had too much punch. We had to find explosive solutions to solve the relationship ;). Joke appart. In Australia, they having serious issues of Kangorou overpopulation to the point Kangorou are not afraid of humans and taking their land back :P
:D
you obviously don't live in Australia, we have punch ups with kangaroos regularly :)
Asking the real questions
This guy is so articulate... He could be a psychology professor
Djmater ..
0 he is a professor 🤓
hahahahahaha
When he started talking about agreeable people my mind just exploded.
He just made me figure out myself.
I always knew “something” was wrong with how i treat people, but i never knew what that “thing” was until this video!!
Wow, so grateful to watch this when my baby is 18 month old now and I am trying to get my work performance credited in the meantime. Now it is the time to play the disagreeable card! Thank you for your career advice for women.
Wow. Currently binging clips of Jordan and I dont understand why people dont like this man. All he does is speak the truth.
I think it's because the people who don't like him aren't actually listening, they're just projecting.
People don’t like truth because it threatens the way they want shit to be
Many people don't like him because of his actions during debates and discussing religion. He's okay at talking about things he's spent his life studying, but he also gets into the apologetics game and debates atheists. He fails miserably in those because he can't be honest and hides behind long ramblings when people ask him simple yes or no questions.
He also seems to refuse to define what he believes, which many seem to equate to him wanting to keep as many religious followers as he can without alienating any.
~Its cuz he refuses to use the new made up pronouns~
In other words, women's nervous systems seem to be wired for empathy. They can feel the emotions of others and definitely the emotions of their offsprings.
So something went wrong with me as I'm really cold and babies disgust me 🤔 Not that I really mind it. At least my career won't be ruined by time spent at home raising kids.
Yeah, generally, that's probably the case. But as with anything, there are outliers. So you have to figure yourself out. I'm not sure, but even though I'm a guy, I think I'm more empathetic and agreeable. And I need to learn to be more assertive to avoid being exploited.
@@revitellect3129 I'm the same way. I really hate conflict and am terriable in arguments even when I'm right. Lol this is bad but when I'm out in public I just drag my more aggressive friend around. It works out lol
@@kyle18934 Haha. Nice idea. Y'all even each other out.
@@revitellect3129 true lol
Endless knowledge,Appreciate 🙏🏼
This is an illuminating talk. I do see social science typology as putting people in boxes, however. The poet Robert Bly called himself an introvert with extroverted qualities. I've found from my own experience that I am both an appeaser and competitive. Women I've noticed will often drop their appeasing side when their children are raised and head out into the competitive workplace. We can change through time, and can change due to circumstances.
Outstanding analysis. Being correct and honest is a real delima. People are shocked by true honesty.
Being correct,honest and constructive shud be fine if always accompanied with,starting off by a tailored measured approach and sincerity
OMG I am too agreeable 😭! Great lesson, I will take the advice 😉
most disagreeable in 10,000... that's funny as hell
I disagree with your disagreement and do not agree with the initial conjecture either.
I wonder if the guy disagreed with the results.
I disagree with all comments which follow this comment
I agree with you!
bogesk - YOU FOOL, YOU'VE DAMNED US ALL!!
man, listening to this guy is so nice
I had that same overhead projector. Well done Jordan!
There are many women who are interested in things, and there are many men who are interested in people. (Jordan Peterson is obviously very interested in people since he is a psychologist.) While women in general TEND to be interested in people and men TEND to be interested in things it doesn't say too much about individuals. It's no use to say that men and women are fundamentally different; it's just that there are general tendencies of each gender. The problem with emphasizing these gender generalities is that it can influence people to believe that all men should be this way or all women should be that way. Then women or men who deviate from what is considered normal for their gender would feel like they don't belong or that they should change.
Thats called adversity and society isnt built to accommodate breaks with social norms. But good thing is, in a capatalist society anyone can succeed on their own merit. Problems arise however when you try to socially engineer equal opportunity of outcome.
"Emphasising" for you means just talking out lead,right? How about we suppress all our instinctual traits(not talking gender specific traits), see how that goes. Suppression is not the anti-dote to inequality or anything that creates a problem psychologically or even socially.
We SHOULD discuss them and we SHOULD let people be people and not ostracise behaviour or ban certain speech. OP's comment is especially funny to me, because this sounds exactly like how my head sounded when I had OCD.
Allison Lee I generally agree with you and Peterson himself has acknowledged that individual differences trump group tendencies, but it isn’t your notion of individuality that is being challenged it’s the notion that there are no differences between the sexes.
While these sort of statistical generalities paint in broad strokes they still need to be mentioned because they at least give us a framework through which to understand how we got to where we are as men and women. Between the politically correct narrative that there are no inherent differences and one that paints broadly I’ll take the latter because it at least is true and gives us something to work with.
Men and women are completely different. It isnt meant to be a negative thing that men are better at some things and women are better at others. You can argue that each gender can do whatever the other can and yes but not to the same level of ability based on genetics. Men are stronger, someone had to protect the woman and child and someone had to take care of the next generation. We all have a role
@@ryang142 BINGO!!!! "Problems arise however when you try to socially engineer equal opportunity of outcome."
I love the perfect cut when he says if I hit you and I really hit you. It's almost as though his hidden rage came out and you had to cut it out the video. Hilarious
That you professor for the wonderful lecture , you have taught me to discover myself today
What I love about the story of the disagreeable man is that he turned out to be the highest in compassion. He had compassion for the people who worked hard and were dragging around dead weight. He liberated them.
Just after the 2:40 mark a cut is made. I gave myself lulz by imagining him saying "Your chest would explode"
I just imagine him walking up to a student and knocking them out then continuing the discussion, lmao.
Hahahah
XD
@@maximusmeridius5705 that's fitting for the masochist he is
As agréable and conscientious people, I think we are aware of people’s intention and we know when we get exploited. But we like to please others because it makes us happy and it also brings peace to our life. Thus it also makes it harder on us. However, lately I decided to let people know that I am aware of their intention and manipulation. IAnd I make sure to let them know that if I do what they ask is because I want to (since I like to please people) and it is not because I am stupid or because of their manipulations.
Well put. There is pressure on women to behave certain ways to please others and not themselves.
This made me realize why I love the peace symbol and the idea of world peace so much and also why I love kids! It's to avoid conflict and make a better, safer environment for children to grow up in. This was enlightening. Peace (Y)
Mr. Peterson is brilliant, as always! What I wouldn't give to attend his lectures...
My understanding of this video is:
-Agreeable people are essentially yes men. Which makes it hard for them to decide what they want for themselves, and how to get it.
-Disagreeable people a hard to get along with, because they dont beat around the bush, and get straight to the point.
-Conscientious people don't really care about the personal aspects. But are more concerned with doing what needs done.
Am I right or wrong?
Very true
Yes
Wrong. Because people can also be both or neither.
No you can't be both
@@joemwangi9433 He said you could.
As a mother of 6, a keen observer of human nature, and a woman who is very, very low in trait neuroticism, I think you're spot-on that the typical woman's nervous system is adapted to the mother-infant dyad, whether she wants it to be or not. (I'm likely overall quite masculine in traits, as I'm also an electrical engineer by degree, a brass player, a weightlifter, and a INTJ.)
One of the most embarrassing memories I have (and it happened more than once) was having annual reviews while working as an engineer. I didn't expect or receive negative feedback, but still found myself on the verge of tears every time, cursing my hormones!
Like it. I delight in “engineers”, brilliant. Told former wive that Sully Sullenberger, Miracle on the Hudson... wife said he has no sense of humor. My wife said, yes, those people are hard to get along with. I was slack jawed at her, take away. Sully was conscientious and competent.
INTJs are the coolest !!
There is a reason INTJ women's most common complaint is difficulty relating with other females. You are a rare but special breed.
No such thing as INTJ, Myers Briggs year is meaningless.
I love it at 9:30 where he explains how we, as agreeable people, get exploited and his encouraging words for us. Need to repeat this daily to myself!
Spot on as usual 👌🏼😎
See his point @9:03 is so so important
When you are in the company of people who don't work as hard as you but STILL efin get what they want, wounds your psyche and work ethic leading to the high performance employees also becoming insolent.
Things like this is the most insulting stuff especially if you are pretty much disagreeable person. You could literally "feel" the injustice. It's funny that I knew it, but never could formulate it in proper words. (Hello to my lab)
Finally, an answer for the "How can she slap?" guy :D
Hahaha. Exactly.
I am amazed every time i listen to this man.
He makes me appreciate what i have been doing, just out of habit.
Without even thinking about it.
Just *doing* the stuff he's talking about.
He makes me appreciate that IQ tests are definitely wrong...
Because he's a smart man and he takes 14 minutes to explain what i do out of habit or based on a hunch.
Thank you so much Jordan. I am getting so close to the jumping off place to change my career without feeling like a failure.
"Human beings punch. There's other animals that do that, kangaroos do that too, eh? So we're not the only people that punch."
1:47
This to me is the single most significant Peterson quote.
He wanted to say we r not the only animal that punch.
He makes me want to go back to school to be a psychologist.
Takes like 6-10 years, but giver
We're wired to be vulnerable to protect and care for our young, I found that kind of interesting in this
I'm agreeable on most days.
And disagreeable once my temper goes off.
I love these lectures, I'm glad to find this scholar.
Scholar?? Are you serious? Oh well:-)
Yeah he aint a scholar haha. He has removed himself from evidence-based thinking and has indulged in an ideological fantasy
I wish Bad Lip Reading would make a video on this video. The hand gestures would make it hilarious. So eccentric.
This video really resonated with me! It's the first time I've heard this kind of explaination.
Brilliant and profoundly illuminating.
I can relate to this discussion in every sense, whenever I've been somewhat agreeable I tend to see people trying to exploit that, and when I've been really conscientious and performance driven and let it known to the rest of the group in whatever we're working on, I just end up getting verbally attacked and lynched by all the agreeable people, no one can handle criticism these days and make you out to be the villain if they act like a victim
Well, I think the point of the lecture is to try both the performance driven and the emotionally driven methods simultaneously and in balance. Have you tried that yet? I bet if you give criticism in the same way (balanced), it will be better received.
The most disagreeable man in 10.000 sounds a lot like my father.
What impresses me about Peterson is you can tell he's done the legwork in coming up with his theories, they've been properly roadtested. He's spot on, agreeable people are their own worst enemies and readily taken advantage of by more 'dominant' less agreeable people. Another way I'd put it would be selfless people vs selfish people. What's frustrating is how to break free of that as it's intrinsically linked to one's identity and personality: how do you overcome a lifetime of programmed responses which can be self-defeating? Even more so in a competitive environment where people may/do not have your best interests at heart.
Pray and mindfully work on building confidence in yourself.
Thank you so much!
Mr Peterson you absolutely rock. I just wish that 5% of our politicians and teachers had your attitude and the strength of your deliverance then this world would be a better place. Your eloquent technique together with the sense and reason behind your statements is a breath of fresh air in some what a polluted city. Keep up the good fight and may God give you strength, patience and endurance.
Peterson 2020
If middle aged women are so agreeable then why are mother-in-laws so difficult???
Because now TWO women are fighting for the same resources (attention, money, protection etc.).
The oedipal mother will be a more difficult mother in law.
@@em0_tion would it not be the same in work? I've worked with lots of bitches in my time. I think Jordan Petersons view of women is how women are to men, not how they are to other women.
@@SophiesWorld2024 Jordan Petersons has no idea what current women are, besides listening for advice about women from a long-time married man is as useless as an old twat that never smoked cigs or e-cigs explaining me how she heard that e-cigs are way more harmful than the good ol death sticks. Use your critical thinking and always seek for the objective truth, not the idolized God figure.
@@em0_tion that's exactly why I'm making these comments. So many guys seem to idolise him.
To get the right serve of tea. This guy is the way to go.
This hit me, as I am a very agreeable person, and i am male. Thanks for the upload.
10:50 blew my mind
Why did you cut out a section in 2:41
Yeah, I totally noticed that too. Weird.
Because he says if I do the reverse I will kill you.
right! Thanks commietube xD
...c-cut the tape....
@@MahmoudLaban no it's for CZcams ad revenue, things have changed since the adpocalypse
Say it like it is ! Spot on !
Jordan does such a great job of defining disciplines. I hope in the future that idealism is more explained like a discipline. Ideology tends to portray advanced disciplines for me, not limited to secularism or atheism. Science and education both being mostly the same for me, teach disciplines in one form or another. You need discipline just to learn in a classroom and so I learn. Great lecture Sir.
From an evolutionary perspective, I believe men also develope upper body strength for throwing.
i like this professor. he doesn't seem to have a hidden agenda so far.
Political Fashionista exactly. So even you disagree you rather find out why or how you can exploit the data
He does. It's called imparting what he's learned to a new generation of students so they can see what happens when they apply that knowledge and build on it. It's a good thing.
Youre so behind jordan peterson has the greatest mind in history
@Ligeia D.Aurevilly Beautifully said. I think there's something extremely... human... about science - It's almost a passing of the torch between generations of minds all working to understand everything about/around us and most importantly make life better for fellow humans through that understanding. It is an incredibly noble pursuit, like you said :)
@@joethestrat you're depiction of science is quote fitting, but I'd like to point out that JBP does not follow the scientific method and has disgraced himself because of it. Science, when done right (ie. nobley, not for one's own agenda) is as beautiful as you describe.
pleasure to listen to this fella
what an enlightening lecture
THANK YOU JORDAN FOR ALL YOU DO! Ive learned a great deal from your videos!
You need to search out other sources and then draw educated comparisons. Really, do it.
Last time I was this early this was a good meme
S O R T
I should be studying.
But I have watched this video several times too.
JP videos are the best form of studying there is.
I was a very agreeable person from birth. Super nice kid from age 1-6. When I got into school, they absolutely tore me apart. Every time I'd trust someone enough to tell them something important to me, they'd proclaim it to the entire class and had me humiliated a million times. They bullied me constantly for my weight, while I tried to be friends with everyone, even after all of that. In the long run it made me a harder person. A worse person. I've been diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder, or sociopathy (as a result of childhood trauma). I actively try every day not to harm people in any way, but it's super hard. I love being apathetic, cause it gives me freedom to do anything I want to reach my goals, but I also hate it, since I can't want to connect with anyone (even if I want to want). Don't make the mistake I made and be too agreeable, but don't go into apathy, cause you'll just end up miserable in the end.
I will go to extremes to prove my point if I am absolutely sure it is correct. I hate when people make excuses and I loooove to argue.
You should try to turn them to tor view point, not argue. The overall situation and long-term plane will be productive at best, and neutral at worst.
@@Bremith103 Well, that is the idea. If I know my facts I will argue to make other people see that I might be right. But at the same time if someone has a strong argument I will accept the possibility that he knows something I don't and he might be right. All I am saying is that I am not a person who avoids arguments - if I prove my point or I don't it is still a win win situation because I can learn something out of it (except when you argue with stupid people, its not worth it)
@@gabriella.v It seems you got the idea right, I was just taken back by your use of the word "argue", saying discuss might be better suited to our definition 😆
6:20, 6:55 7:20, 9:10 11:00 11:50 12:40
agreeable: compassionate,polite.
disagreeable: tough minded, blunt, competitive, wont do what they dont want to. compete & win.
conscientious: trustworthy.
You rock. I like your lectures.
Incredible insights.
what if your "true nature" is conscious but your behavior is highly agreeable due to constant overexposure to conflict during young age and now you're in extreme conflict with yourself and can't seem to find a way out..
Wow I learned so much in 13 minutes. I AM an agreeable person and I'm going to be more assertive with observations awareneses know to be True.. Good stuff!
I hate being a woman and thus being more inclined toward agreeableness. I am disagreeable compared to many women but not disagreeable enough compared to many men. As time goes on I become increasingly better at being assertive but I still have a ways to go before I can rival the average man.
Well, there's the LGBT to handle that first hate for ya.
@@musical_lolu4811 how are the LGBT gonna help with that?
I am very agreeable and have suffered a lot for it.
Fascinating
Fascinating!
Can't believe it's come to this that we need to explain the difference between men and women
Shawn D'souza you wouldn't think it would need an explanation 🤦🏻♂️
@Ligeia D.Aurevilly yeah, who woulda thought? When you are raised and taught to be a certain way, you become that certain way
“What’s the difference between men and women?”
Well for one thing one’s an innie and one’s an outtie
Fearghus Keitz yep that's how I always describe it
In Spiral Dynamics you are Stage Purple.
Wow...so on point!
i'm a little of both i adapt and conquer but also i seek peace
J.P. - What's the difference between men and women?
Leftist - Absolutely nothing
Every lecture video of Dr. Peterson's ends with him saying, "so..."