As a black woman, I want equality of opportunity. Equality of outcome makes me feel like I didn't earn anything. Getting a scholarship for being black doesn't hit like getting a scholarship for being intelligent.
All reasonable people want equality of opportunity for everyone. The problem is that the radical left has taken this fact and decided to tell everybody about white privilege in an attempt to make you feel like no matter what, you never have equality of opportunity anyway.
@@jn6305 Truth. Which, if it was true, we wouldn't have had people like Obama, Kanye West, Beyonce, or Carson. There are so many amazing, successful, honored, and decorated black people out there. They didn't need a single hand out. If you really believe in black people, let them earn what they have.
UAU! That is the best answer ever!! No Sarcasm involved. The absurd is that what you said is pretty simple to understand and so obvious that I don't know how people cannot agreed with that.
It is irrelevant how it “hits” with you, what matters is that you develop value you want in a given market. JP just said to avoid raceing/sexing everything. Please never feel the need to say “speaking as a” I will listen to you regardless of your skin pigmentation.
It doesn't matter if a field is 80% male or 80% female as long as the most qualified person gets the job. When we start trying to make everything 50/50 qualified people get turned away for the sake of equality.
@@christ2664 what's wrong with starting everyone from an equal playing field? It's not saying "all women need to be engineers." it's saying "Hey, maybe let's not steer women into certain careers by reinforcing gender stereotypes, and let them do whatever they want, free of criticism." there's a big difference between equality of opportunity and equality of outcome.
I feel bad for Jordan, it’s like he’s standing in front of a forest and saying “look at the trees” and everyone else is like “ there are no trees, everything is a bush “
I'm a finnish woman and get the subjects of this video. I got into a engineering program in university, almost got my bachelor's degree, but dropped out. I got into a university program in health care. I made the decision to earn significantly less money in a woman-dominated field instead of working as an engineer. There was not enough money in the world to make me do something i don't enjoy for my job. I think it's okay that some fields have more women and others men.
I imagine that if one truly enjoys the job, that person does it well, and might even innovate ways to do it better. My mom was a chemical engineer in the 70s and became a programmer in the early 80s.
Your entire point goes back to the gender and how the differences between men and women are raised. I think women are taught in Western society to be amenable, which is antithetical to climbing the corporate ladder. One has to be borderline ruthless become a CEO, many people in society categorize CEOs of being psychopaths or sociopaths. I'm not saying that women is a whole don't have these characteristics, but there's a lot fewer of them then men, Data is very clear that women are most interested in people careers, and Men have a much higher propensity to choose careers dealing with machines and objects. Dr Peterson is correct that women hold the vast majority of the upper echelon jobs in healthcare.
Okay but WHY are nurses paid less than engineers? Because male dominated jobs are intrinsically regarded as more important. That’s all that needs to be said really.
@@Enthusiasmisgood They are paid less, because they are needed less. That’s not saying that we don’t need nurses: the work force of nurses is simply more saturated than engineering’s. It really has little or nothing to do with gender.
I can't believe there are actually people exist who thinks forced equality of outcome is a good idea. Some of those people are actually quite intelligent. It's like what is going on in their head?
It is a bit mind boggling for sure, I mean I know even the most intelligent people have their stupid moments. But it's a bit hard to believe educated people wouldn't think about the implications of that kind of equality. I really don't know what to make of it.
politicians HAVE to support this idea to have people vote for them, or in order to keep their job. they don't have to agree, but it's the "right" thing to do.
@@Ecthelion3918 Its simple...Intellectuals betrayed the common man as it has been asserted by many intellectuals over the last 70 years. This is not rocket science lol, its the basic human condition concept which asserts that all human action is fundamentally driven by Faith or fear irrespective of facts. This is why my best meme is the one I sorta created for these sorts of moments czcams.com/video/_90C2jZ-6TQ/video.html
The intelligent ones don’t actually believe in that type of philosophy - they are preying on the stupid people’s gullibility to advance themselves and their careers and wealth
Men are bigger faster and stronger than us 👀 During my time in the military I also noticed men tend to have a stronger grip on their emotion, especially in stressful situations 🤷🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️Nothing offensive about that
@@GlitterMarcy and that's why men and women are different and it's ok. My soon to be ex wife 💔😭 can keep things organized for the 4 kids in a way I never could. But I can play with them and discipline them in a way she never could. And I've been trying to convince her our family is worth counseling which weve never done. And effort. 💔😭
There is absolutely crucial moment in this interview when they talk about congnitivily more able people grouping. Joe quickly realized the point and corrected himself. I cant stress enough how rare this is when people are talking about any subject. Most of them are caught in trap of trying to be right and dont really absorbing the information given to them.
Sure. Let's just say, hypothetically, I was a genius IQ level, graduated from a top University, grown up with a wealthy, relatively decent parent; yet I happen to be a heroin addict. You cant just put off my (again hypothetical) problems on society. I was/am responsible for my own choices.
@@benhaney5843 If you were captured (innocent) and forced heroin with surgery done to your brain to remove capacity to resist addiction -A. It would be diferent to you choosing to take heroin because you thought it would be fun -B. Usually if people are moral and smart the bad things that happen to them are because of society imo. Or more simply put, imo smart ppl can't be "stupider" than everything else. Also usually when people go wrong its because societal systems or their parents fail them, its less about their intelligence.
Ben Haney , they're talking about how environment influences everything , down to genetics , the atoms too , so that being said , your mind is influenced very much by environment
Facts are not debatable when we're all looking at them the same way. Neither of us has seen the studies he is referring to. Neither of us know who the researchers were paid by. If you listen to Jordan Peterson without questioning him, just taking as a fact anything he says, then you "live in a world" where you make big mistakes. I'm here as a leftie who was too curious to find out Peterson's opinions/agenda. Now I understand a little more. I just wish I was dedicated enough to look up the facts the right way.
@@dariankaltenbach8062 I think you got the wrong impression and you come off a bit antagonized. I believe Jordan Peterson. The only thing that worries me is the zealous mindset that some people have been said to have. Never had a personal experience with any of it, so eh. It's all good. I just meant the thing about fact checking in general and how people prefer to listen to someone charismatic, rather than knowing. I'm really happy to hear that you were less lazy than me and actually looked up the research! I really admire that. But, ehhhh, any chance you could point me in the direction you found those papers? I'd love to check it out. All I know about Alex Jones are memes.
I'm a psychologist and this 24 minute talk is one of the best psychology classes I've ever "attended". There are so many complex and intricate concepts just laid out in a very simple way. JBP is a beast...
thank u random person for telling us you are a psychologist maybe you will believe it someday , maybe you wanted to sound smarter than you are and im a city mayor
@@dethimamekaipolla4487 he was simply saying he has had experience with lessons in psychology and this talk better than most of the classes he has attended. What's so hard to believe about that? If he had said he was a professional tennis player then said what he said, I could understand your comment but he didn't so why be so flippant?. He might be a psychologist 🤷🏼♂️
@@JustOneOfThemThings the thing with anonimity on the internet? you see everyone can say whatever they likes before he says sth so he is more convincing.this is not funny at all ^
I think the reason he's become well known is that he's a spokesperson for people who still have their common sense intact and is actually backed by Science, against people who are just out there crying because their feelings got hurt (and they are loud).
Peterson, no matter how often he claims that he is good at not letting his emotions cloud his intellect, is the one whose feelings get hurt whenever feminism and patriarchy are mentioned, especially if the person interviewing him is a woman. He may be bright, but in some respects he is a dinosaur.
Being from Sweden, a lot of things Jordan says is true, for some reason we have an obsession with equality, there has to be 50/50 men and women in every job, and I never understood why. Surely it's a better idea to just let men and women become whatever they desire, and if it turns out that on average, women aren't as interested to become electrical engineers as men then that's the way it is, there's no reason to force that specific field to hire more women to level it out. And we are different, both physically and mentally. So different choices in professions is to be expected. Women tend to seek nursing-related jobs more than men, and men tend to be more interested in objects (technology, vehicles etc).
I agree that there should not have to be a 50/50 on each job, we should hire the most qualified regardless of anything but capabilities. I do however think that as a society we should not assign jobs with genders even if that job does have more of one gender working in it. This amplifies the fact that more of one sex works in one a certain field. For example a female may be put off working as an electrician because it’s a “mans field” and not because her brain is wired that way.
Living and commenting right now from Sweden, I would say it is not true. We promote Gender equality in terms of equal opportunity and equal pay. But absolutely not 50/50. most of the private companies are aware of the consequence of pushing hard to 50/50 will be that you might lose talented individuals from both gender depending on the branch.
I feel that swedes are starting to get sick & tired of this gender equality -bullshit the more it's forced upon swedes everyday living. Even more worrying now are the universities application of gender studies in their implementation of gender mainstreaming. That means no real freedom of speech and free thinking among students since you're basically not alowed to criticize or debunk this pseudoscience agenda without consequences.. just like in North Korea :)
@@mat4283 Well eventually that will be made, but now, blind people can't drive. Right now, some people can't do things that others can. Of course, technology will bridge the gap eventually, but we can't pretend everyone is equal, cause we can all think and feel but a blind man can't box but a man that can see can.
I’ve heard him give the exact same speech on gender like 100 times and it never gets old, he absolutely destroys everything 3rd wave feminists complain about
Can you explain to me, why are genders important? Because I really do not see the exact way of how it is beneficial to call someone by specific pronoun. I tried to gain knowledge in Google but everything is vague.
@@johncoffy7824 it’s not “beneficial” it’s just how people speak, and when you try to change how people talk you try to change how they think. Speaking is how we express ourselves and if we are compelled to speak a certain way then we aren’t truly free.
@@johncoffy7824 I never said it was ok I’m saying we shouldn’t compel speech by law, people should be able to call each other whatever they like in their own social groups, but don’t go around demanding that strangers call you something that you don’t outwardly appear to be, because that’s not hate speech that’s just how we communicate.
@@vengeancebyvenom9033 To create a mental image of the kind person she is? As much as I'd like to say people can recognize individuality that isn't the way we work. You are apart of a group and identifying yourself as a member of that group isn't wrong. Jordan goes against the general LGBT outlook and a lesbian stating that he is reasonable solidifies his points. So my question to you is why do you care that someone is announcing their group?
@@vengeancebyvenom9033 The fact is...a 'middle-aged lesbian' will get a hard time from the modern 'activists'...possibly more than JP. Lesbians today can be (and are) trolled and picked on if they say, when asked, they would not have a relationship with a trans woman (born a man). Common sense would predict that's the likely answer and no one should even care or have a problem with that...but these are crazy times. I'd like to hear more people of minority sexualities (LGBT+) speak up when they agree with people like JP so we can restore the balanced view of society. I hate it when the loonies always shout louder and are the only ones being heard!
It is because Joe is truly interested. Many people who do these sort of interviews are doing it just to interview, they could give two shits what the person says, Imagine Larry king interviewing Peterson it would be wasted. Then we have these nightly TV leftist host who would only interview him in an attempt to edit and try to make a fool out of Peterson if they can. Joe on the other hand is really interested in most of the stuff his guest say. He really is a great interviewer and despite his size I do not believe he gets the credit he deserves from the general population for it.
The amount of negging and cuckolding on any post made by a woman seriously needs to stop lol after you visit pornhub; just go outside and get rejected after this quarantine dies out and be toxic to your significant other they love that shit smh
Without knowing the accuser personally, it is prejudices and agendas. Not just SJW, but many only accept logic that supports their agenda progressing. Contradiction feels like a crime against the state.
"There's nothing dumber than an intelligent person who has gone wrong", "the opposite of the truth is the worst kind of wrong". Peterson is an unintentional comedic genius!
@Grow32 The big bang theory is one of many theories, but the most accepted. This is because there has been done a lot of scientific research into the subject. We've made countless predictions and computer simulations that can back up the claim of the big bang theory. The theory of evolution is about as close to fact as you are ever going to get. This is not just a ''theory'' like you normies use, this is a scientific theory, which has a completely different meaning. You are so called open to your religion, not to the 1000's of other religions. You don't take Zeus seriously, or Athena or Thor. So why the hell would you take "God" or Jesus seriously?
@Grow32 Also we do know better. The earth is not 6000 years old. People don't get 200 years old. You can't fit all living animals on a single boat. Burning bushes cannot talk. You cannot walk on water (without tricks). You cannot heal the blind by praying. etc etc etc human virgin births are not real, being gay is not immoral, neither is eating shellfish or wearing clothes made of 2 or more fabrics. The bible is the biggest piece of hot garbage I have ever read and can be proven wrong a million fold.
@@vinnieg6161 Vinnie, I could talk with you for hours about the origin of the universe. I've long been irritated at the nonsensical statement "It's just a theory". I understand that evolution is scientific fact along with the big bang (a bit shakier though, without a Theory of Everything). I'd love to talk to you about religion. I've been turning towards religion lately despite the fact that science will always be the only framework my mind accepts to explain reality. Do you have a Discord? I have come to an understanding about religion that has change my world view and I would like to run it by a fellow zealot of objectivity. (It does not violate the laws of physics since anything that does so is unconscionable to me)
It's NOT just the chess community. People think I must be an idiot because I've survived two severe TBI's. I'm so absolutely insulted at some of the rude things people say to me, and that the vast majority of people I know don't so much as blink when I make a joke. A man in an adult Sunday school class I was in dropped his jaw and let it hang agape when I asked what, to me, was just another Gospel-related question one Sunday. I was so irritated that he wasn't expecting a high-intellect question that I yelled at him. I felt bad about yelling at him, so that week, I put together a dove-carrying-an-olive-branch gift, set it in front of his door, rang the bell and ran. He did NOT understand the reference, but he did thank me for it. I admit the Italian cookbook and small, felled branch was a little obscure because I cannot afford olive wood, but I thought that since I included Dove chocolate, it would be a dead giveaway. I would have included a note, tying the theme together, but I was afraid it would blow away, and I'm pretty sure I didn't own a stapler at the time. I wasn't sure I had a sense of humor anymore, considering how long it had been since anyone had laughed at one of my quips, but I was having a phone conversation with a new friend, and he seemed VERY jovial. I said I'd never had such a good reception to my material. He said, You tell jokes all the time, and then he said he figured people who know me don't laugh at my jokes because they think anyone with as much brain damage as I have couldn't POSSIBLY be clever enough to say something witty. That was an epiphany for me. I was suddenly EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED with everyone who THOUGHT they knew me; I couldn't believe everyone I knew could be so close-minded. VASTLY disappointing.
What people seem to not understand is that he's *defending* equality of opportunity, he's only saying that *on average* , keyword: *average* , men and women are different, and that nb should expect equality of *outcome* nor should they evaluate the effort that is done for equality on its basis.
@서영준 lol you think theres equality of outcome in china. have you ever been there? there is a massive difference between the rich and the poor, they are only a communist country in loose terms and because of their image. in factuality they are an authoritharian semi capitalist dictatorship with massive inequality in the country
I actually was expecting the word "communism" to be thrown in at any moment when discussing equality of outcome! There are *plenty* of studies that debunk this and call it for what it is A UTOPIA!
@@guillermosuarez6535 it doesnt take a genius that we are never going to be able equally wealthy or whatever, but to just throw our arms in the air and be fine with any inequalities is just crazy. because some inequalities by the fact that they are sosevere SHOW that there isnt equality of opportunity in a given issue, its just not that visible. for example even if women choose lower paying jobs we should look into why that is. and if its somethihng that is socially taught to them it hsould be changed because they are creating a gap that shouldnt be so severe.
@@joaodelgado6696 No dude, It's not my point nor Jordan's to say: "This is all fine!" the point is that there is no way in hell everybody can have the same outcome without some communism or something as wicked as that. Why? Because even with equalitarian opportunities people are just different, some have superior talent, or will, or ambition, or determination, or even luck! So again, the point is not that having gaps between rich and poor is okay because it's not. The point is that aspiring equity in outcomes is futile because there will be someone who will work harder, better, more efficient and that should be rewarded!
@@guillermosuarez6535 again. this isnt some elightened thinking, this is fuckin common sense. that doesnt mean its a valid point or something we should contend with. People in the middle ages could have said exactly the same thing "well no one is ever going to be equal so we might as well enjoy the best of our situation". No, not everything can be solved but some things CAN be solved and SHOULD be soulved. Just throwing our arms in the air and saying, oh well we ve made enough progress is crazy. PLenty of inequalities can still be meaningfully addressed without turning the coutnry into a crazy communist utopia, this is a strawman. Look objectively at the problems, and figure out solutions. and yes, if we all believe we as humans are truly equal, meaning that our differences are between individuals and not between groups, meaning whites are no different from blacks, or men from women, than the inequalities that we see in the present OUTCOME should raise some red flags. because right now society shows inequalities based on gender race, etc. Erasing inequalities between individuals is not a deried or realistic project, but erasing inequalities betewen races for example is very well achievable and there are a number of solutions that could be practiced. the problem is it goes against the bigoted status quo so nothing changes and people just say "oh welp. things are always going to be inequal so why bother doing anything"
He is so brilliant- his intellect actually pisses people off to the point of utter insanity. All of what he is saying is backed by scientific proof/data. We need more like him.
@@thorstenmarquardt7274 It depends what aspect of religion your speaking about, since if you're only talking about the subjective religious experience then yes, but not in terms of the psychological distillations found within the narratives that can be paralleled to human behavior
@@calundoconteal6851 he believes his wife was cured from cancer by an invisible wizard in the sky It’s understandable that this tragedy makes him and everyone else emotional, but it’s highly irrational and nonsensical
@@thorstenmarquardt7274 I don't see how that relates to his psychological interpreatations of religion. If he believes in God, so what? Many brilliant people believe in God, and there is nothing wrong with it. There is a rational side of people, but then there is a mythical side of people, and even you have that, although it may not be in the form of a traditional God. We all have a unique inner world and not everything is an objective experience. The difference is, he doesn't oush his subjective God experience into his psychological work, and like Carl Jung, when he evokes religion, he does so in a systematic matter where it's contents are defined as poroducts of human universals
@@calundoconteal6851 “so what” it is highly irrational to believe in supernatural voodoo and it is highly dishonest to claim that supernatural stuff is real
As a masculine female who has always preferred “things”, this actually makes me feel far better than the leftist crowd ever did. They say I should actually be a man; Jordan says I’m fine and normal the way I am. I appreciate that.
I have ADHD, as a kid my mom would allow me to work outside with my dad and brothers with the fun work. I wasn’t allowed in the kitchen because I burn things. I’m not gay I don’t think I’m a man, I’m just not a good fit for jobs that are done by women in my culture and society. I’m married to a man, have six kids, still can’t cook but I’m definitely a woman. I also don’t appreciate these kids telling me I’m a man in a woman’s body and doing injustice to my self. They should go fly a kite.I also don’t appreciate them calling me a breeder or a feeder, I’m a mother and a woman.
Honest answer? Sociology suggests that conditioning and nature impact each other. The logical extrapolation of that is that we can't necessarily observe the "objective" differences between men and women because we're all shaped by our circumstances and by what our parents and teachers and media have taught us. Basically, possibly men and women/males and females are different, but what we identify as a man versus what we identify as a woman is shaped by society. Which differences are noted and highlighted as important is decided by society. But that's it. That's not saying men and women aren't different, or that males and females aren't different. It's saying that what those differences are and how big those differences are, can't be precisely pinpointed by us, because we exist within a society that shapes both our own perspective and shapes what we're looking at. None of that means that there IS no difference, or that you can possibly organize a society where there are no differences. It certainly doesn't suggest that you SHOULD go about organizing a society where there are no differences! I trained as a sociologist. Sociology as a discipline is not in alignment with what Peterson refers to as the radical left.
man listening to jordan peterson talk with someone that actually lets him express his ideas is something wonderful. so much insight flowing through conversation. pretty crazy people will close out of the podcast the second they hear something that they don’t agree with, as if they have more insight on the matter than either one of these guys
I think people get emotional because what they see in this is child abuse. It’s ridiculous that it’s happening. I bet the boys of this generation become very dangerous! Forcing them against their nature is a way of rejecting their natural existence, no empathy just lost confusion anger and a generation of psychopaths.
@@TrimTrimmer It definitely is child abuse, and it needs to be stopped. Sweden, Finland, and England already have. It's going to take longer here, where this "hyper-woke" insanity got started, because people are afraid to speak up.
I think a big part of opportunity vs outcome is asking who is responsible for certain obstacles. Those who seek equality of opportunity seek to remove institutional/systemic obstacles that openly and actively inhibit categories of people. Those who seek equality of outcome, however, want society to accommodate for every infinitesimal difference that might put them at even the slightest disadvantage (quality of upbringing, psychological and physiological differences, etc.).
AverageCZcamsCommenter I’ve noticed I do that too lol. It really depends on the person you are listening to, some personalities may like that and see it as engaged. Yet other will see it as intimidating, always a good idea to read the other persons expressions
This man is a bloody genius.. and he is just stating the facts. But those facts are stated in such a complex and intriguing way that you are mesmerized to hear them..
yeah you know that's not a good thing, one complain I would have to give to him is that, for a professor, he's really bad at explaining. He makes grand arguments with fancy words that in the end, doesn't really accumulate to anything comprehensible and that is his fault. Sure he's a bit eccentric and even poetic at times but when you're trying to articulate a thought that is suppose to be the ground of your argument, you're supposed to be as concise and clear as you can. Which he doesn't do. When you start noticing this, you will also notice that he rarely finishes a thought completely and leaves many holes open but since he's so quick minded and charming, it gives the impression to the person he's speaking with that his argument is fullproof. It is not.
@@cyral_u So pretty much your saying..he should Barney it down a level, so everyone else can understand...lol..I agree at some point, but if he did..he wouldn't be the Jordan Peterson we know now.
At this time I am driving for a living. More than 50% of people on the road are slowpokes and cause gridlock, about 30 to 50% of these people are men. I am a man and used to think that the reason I'm an efficient driver was because I'm a man and women are uncomfortable behind the wheel - not true. There are lot of men who are uncomfortable driving and are slowpokes.
@@peppercap I am assuming you're suggesting that people who are driving for the sake of arriving at a destination can be compared to people who are driving for the sake of earning a wage. I think these two things can't be compared. When I drive to work, I give myself extra time and I drive leisurely; however, if time was money, I would constantly drive with purpose. I might even make opportunities for myself to get to where I'm going faster like speeding, making rolling stops, or making frequent lane changes. This is the high-risk-high-reward decision making mindset referred to by Peterson. Supposedly, per Peterson, men are more likely to drive like that than women, and so they earn more money.
Taking longer would make you more since your earnings is based on a a by mile and by minute basis. For example it could be 75¢/mile and 10¢/minute. If you’re speeding and trying to make it to the destination super fast, not only is that going to cost more gas, it’s going to make you less. Not to mention a lot of passengers don’t like when you drive too fast because they get scared. Unless a passenger specifically says they’re late and need you to go fast, your best bet is to go around the speed limit or the speed of traffic.
Joe Rogan was smart to keep his mouth shut here because he doesn’t stand a chance. He doesn’t have a clue how to match wits with an intellect like Jordan Peterson. Nor does he understand a word of what Jordan is saying
Equality of opportunity is the point! I just want the ability to choose my path and not be judged or paid based on my gender but on the quality of my work. I want caregiver jobs to be paid better too, because there is as much value and importance in that work as there is in producing software.
importance yes, value not. I generally believe that we should decrease amount paid to actors, singers and other parasites like sports people, but it is all market driven so unluckily caring for elderly people is not as specialized as coding unless u are a doctor and then at this point u usually get paid more than typical software enginner, at least in most of the countries.
It is incorrect to say "caring for old people is not as specialized as coding". It is, it's just that we don't value the outcome of a well cared for old person to specialize in it properly and therefore pay for it properly.
Id like to have Jordan Peterson as a life coach. He seems like the type of person who could provide someone with the knowledge to better themselves both financially & psychologically
Oh, man, you need to explore Dr. Peterson's channel more. The vast majority of his videos I watch involve only him speaking for most, if not all of the video. Then again, I don't lean toward the politically themed videos. I prefer the psychologically themed videos.
GREAT point. It’s amazing to hear somebody with his intelligence speak uninterrupted by some fragile person who ultimately is not interested and never will be interested in his core points.
Go watch some of his lectures on YT he is a smart dude. His Naysayers really make me question their intelligence the minute I see them. Likely the same people trying to convince me that gender is a spectrum if I had to guess.
No one seems to realise they're essentially the same thing. Dumb leftists are incapable of making this point but it's just a fact. The (non-retarded) left actually has a point. There's actually no equality of opportunity without equality of outcome in the first place, and that's a big problem....
@@woofelator The word retarded is actually a slur. Also, the whole equality of outcome thing is something Peterson. I've literally never heard anyone else say it. Its a strawman.
What a joy to actually hear intelligent discussion in a world full of the opposite. JP's take on male/female differences, (based on deep thought and thorough academic research), reflects my own personal experiences in the workplace, home and beyond.
Initially I had no idea why there was any controversy surrounding Jordan Peterson. Now I see why some find him so "unsettling". It's because he's brutally honest. I only wish he was as prominent 20-25 years ago as he is today
No we need him now more than 25 years ago. Especially as someone who preaches logic and truth in this current impulse, emotion driven cultural zeitgeist that’s going on.
+Tow Hee Ahhh don't even waste your time on NotArt. Zie's still stuck on "it's got nothing to do with gender pronouns or law". Completely unaware of the destructive philosophy which propagates identity politics and where it ultimately leads.
I love how Joe sums up what has been said with lower vocab words which makes it easier to understand the concepts and includes into that thoughts that are noteworthy
Being from Sweden, a lot of things Jordan says is true, for some reason we have an obsession with equality, there has to be 50/50 men and women in every job, and I never understood why. Surely it's a better idea to just let men and women become whatever they desire, and if it turns out that on average, women aren't as interested to become electrical engineers as men then that's the way it is, there's no reason to force that specific field to hire more women to level it out. And we are different, both physically and mentally. So different choices in professions is to be expected. Women tend to seek nursing-related jobs more than men, and men tend to be more interested in objects (technology, vehicles etc).
Man if people stop being so obsessed with these things and focus on just living a good life and being there for each we would be living in a neo futuristic advance society by now
We need more Type O blood represented on TV. And equal representation of Mesomorphs, ectomorphs, and endomorphs. There are too many Libras in high paying jobs, we need more Gemini and Virgos.
Jordan is so good at communicating our current predicament in Western society. I agree with his take 100%. Joe you should kick the can down the road and return to this same type discussion at regular intervals. Thanks for sharing
The good Doctor looks so fantastic with a well trimmed beard. Really outlines his features and the subconscious observation from many of us leads him to embody the Archetype of the "Sage" or the "Old Father". Man, the world makes so much sense when you understand some of Jungs' ideas, it continually blows my mind every single day. What an absolutely magnificent blessing it is to be alive.
Or instead of a flood or fire it'll all end with the "God of Chaos" meteor thats supposed to hit earth in 10 years. I think it's a sign that we all need to get our shit together quick!
I've witnessed first hand how this equality never works. Hiring unqualified people and promoting unqualified people over the best qualified people will always lead to disasters.
TallulahSoie I remember dealing with that in high school, working at a major grocery chain, they hired a kid who had some sort of mental disorder, to the point he would climb up on top of the freezer and cry and you couldn’t get him down, he had to have his dad come get his schedule every week, that’s not equality, that’s just ridiculous.
It's basically Communism. Those guys were never good at facts and planning. In a *rational* society, if we notice that 80% of doctors are male, we don't begin indiscriminately hiring under-qualified females! We go back to the beginning and research why fewer female students are getting into med school. Then we follow it back to the step before that and ask why fewer female students excel in STEM studies. You determine the factors behind that (poverty, social bias, etc) and then you fix THAT. People are just allergic to work and love slapping Band-Aids on things.
Jordan, thank you for being in the forefront of sharing information about this political issue . I agree with what's been said 100%. But I do have to mention that there is a community called Damanhur, in Italy, that claims to have equality for all, including outcome; though, they categorize people. I heard of this from Psychologist here in California with Master Degrees, are guest teachers at Stanford and have good standing; they swear by it. They have implied that the community and its leaders have found a model for society. Please, if anyone has more insight, share.
The more I watch/read this guy, the more I realize he’s actually a really good person who cares deeply about helping people by giving them a huge dose of reality, science, psychology, and attempting to lift them up. More so than the blue haired psychos who scream fascist at him for denying their delusions
you can see how Jordan Peterson is having some mini strokes trying to comprehend the fact that he is in a platform that actually fives him space and time to speak and don't try to make him look bad, or say what they want him to say...
Adnan A I would agree 100% the main issue is that we all have to agree that we do not have equal opportunity at least not in every situation. Schools in our country are determined by your ZIP Code and that is a fact. I say that as someone lives in the suburbs and lives in a nice middle-class home.
@@arunsalwan8558 yes ghetto schools dont have the same opportunity, but this is not what feminists are fighting for they fight for equality of outcome which is insane
I really like Joe because he is smart enough to know that he does not know everything. So he asks questions and awaits the answer. He actually wants to learn. It seems that every woman, however, who interviews Dr. Peterson, tries to attack him and prove their intellectual superiority. Of course they fail miserably and the doctor makes them look as foolish as they are. Go Joe!
This only applies to people he likes. He has his moments of being a good host sure but he certainly can be aggressive about things if he doesn't agree.
@@matthewscott9739 I rather would say it comes down to your political stance. If your a hardlining lefty you don't want to deal with natural facts. Peterson said it one time in perfect fashion: "their ideas come from a noble place". Due to the fact they want everything to be equal so badly, they can't wrap their head around the cruel reality of this world never was ment to be an equal playing field for everybody. You simply can't balance out everything.
@@ariesaggressiv7569 political stance...we are talking about the agenda of the sisterhood here. That agenda almost always has to do with my undermining the intellect & authority of men. The angle always to make the man appear dumb, weak, antiquated & irrelevant or if all fails abusive/misogynistic
The point at the end actually makes a lot of sense. I also think it could add to more viewership to both the current men's and women's leagues because they'd essentially be integrated.
we miss you doctor pederson. Do not let any of the hate get to you and bring you down or affect your health. You know deep down inside that far more people love you, support you, and fully believe your rational and theories. We need you back to fight the most important fight in our world today. You have to keep fighting for us all. We all have same opinions as you, just that you are much better at presenting and explaining those points of views. Hope you heal your mind, body and soul and come back to us all. As a fellow Canadian I pray the world will be rid of people like Justin Trudeu, and instead people like you become prevalent and strong.
Close your eyes. Now picture Joe Rogan having a conversation with Kermit the Frog. I was napping when this came on, and woke up thinking Kermit was really clever.
Carl Sagan had an amazing nasally deeper pitched and soothing voice you can zzzzzz to effortlessly while JP has great info but his voice hurts my ears after a time. Still, no students fall asleep during his lectures.
equality of outcome is when womens restroom and mens restrooms have the same amount of toilets. Equality of opportunity is knowing that women have to use the bathroom more frequently than men(due to biological difference), and therefore should have more toilets to accompany the need of women to empty their bladder as fast as men can(without having to wait in a long queue)
I remember reading our ministers comments about Petersson and hearing about it again makes me feel ashamed of being Swedish. Jordan Petersson is such a classy guy and so proffesional in the way he behaves in, at least for me, stressful debates with agitated dissidents. Problem is/was that many people, including our foreign minister for sure, didn't understand that he was delivering facts and whats studies tend to show, not his own opinions. I saw Peterson hosting a Swedish talkshow around the same time and another polititian, leader of a well astablished party in Sweden, tried to argue with him not understanding that he presented well documemted facts and not personal views. Peterson kept his calm, as always, and tried to explain but to no good. She ended it with saying: "Well, i dont agree with that"! Don't ask me how u dont agree with facts, but that's what she said! Again, feeling a bit ashamed for being Swedish, but it was very clear that she didn't understand 1) the terminology he was using and how "equality of choice" effects "equality of outcome" 2) that he presented facts and what studies tend to show. Could've been a language barrier.. But no. It was ignorance and unwillingnes to understand. It's hard to comprehend how top polititians in a country, can misinterpret a situation that bad. Not just one polititian but several of them.. The outcome when having total equality of choice apperently isn't what could be expected and doesn't suit the feminist agenda. So instead of trying to understand the paradox and face the truth.. The outcome became Petersons personal views and he got stamped as an antifeminist. Even the talkshow host started asking questions about Petersons upbringing and what kind of father figueres he had! As if to find out where the professor in psykology got his vierd views from! It was very embarrising to watch, not to say cringy! But Petersons, kept his composure as always and politly answered the questions, no doubt understanding what was going on. I'm certain, that quoting and forced equality of outcome is to be far more expected in my country in the future.. As to correct what free choice couldnt achieve!
After reading your comment, I just watched the Jordan B. Peterson | Full interview | SVT/TV 2/Skavlan interview again. Yes, 99.9% of the IQ at that table was dominated by one person. And that woman coming out with the most banal wishful thinking statements nobody disagrees with - not even Jordan Peterson - and looking around so pleased with herself as if she destroyed his arguments and has said something brilliantly original. She's just robotically repeating the - no evidence - party line. And somehow she thinks that being obedient is being virtuous.
You shouldn’t feel ashamed for being Swedish at all.. this was just a person that either refused to acknowledge the facts or for some reason hated who Jordan Peterson was and was very narrow minded etc
David, yes I saw that interview and totally agree with your synopsis of the issues emanating from that program. Don’t be ashamed to be Swedish, it’s an interesting experiment being carried out in your country. But women will eventually wake up when they realise men are no longer interested them because of their anti-male views.
Let's not stop there.. Assertive versus shy people.. Good social skills against anti social types. The list is infinite.. Whatever the mind can come up with..
It's those that decide to include or exclude criteria of Inclusiveness that would hold all the power, which they of course never will because all of this is fucked ...
you certainly could. and you could even objectively realize that its unfair. but you could also realize that theres not much to be done i think. you certainly could try to make society more open towards shorter men (that would be great) just like you could make society more open towards women in certain fields
Actually this is a thing in other countries that attribute skill with physical appearance. In South Korea, resumes have profile pictures and they determine who gets, say, a job as a grocery worker based on appearance. It has forced a huge problem and normalization with cosmetic surgery. People spend every last dime on skincare products and surgery instead of food and tell themselves they dont need the food anyway because for them over 115 pounds is fat and if they do eat then they wont get hired. It's an awful world out there. No one is special, not even Jorden bingers who now think they have a philosophy degree are immune tbh
@@hapyy1993 Nuclear weapons would take the cake if there was a large scale Nuclear attack somewhere or globally but only a few have been deployed against populations of people so it doesn't compare, though it certainly always retains that potential.
Joe brought up a fine point in the context of this discussion ie cognitive ability. JP mention of this is beside the point. Cognitive ability is related to qualifications and educational background ie degrees, certification and so on. It's a tangible indicator of where a persons cognitive abilities lie. Yes, some employers give a test to prospective employees but that shouldn't be a "deal breaker". Should it?
Bloody hell, he's very technical and precise with his words I love it😂😂I'm an economics student and when we do our OLS interpretations and all let's say for men and women, listening to him feels like I'm listening to my professor, one standard deviation more n all😂😂
you should see him try to have an argument with cathy newman. He was so careful not to say anything that cathy could use against him, and he ended up embarrassing her really well
@@nomanm.5884 bro I've watched literally most of the interviews and podcast, how could I watch the classic, the cathy Newman one😂. When i was watching liberally i was like let him finish woman and what's with so you're saying and comment section was flooded with it😂
As Peterson himself has said "it depends on what you want". And so whilst I can't deny the truth of his observations, it's not unreasonable to me that some people may want, for example, more women in STEM fields, because it may produce other socially desirable outcomes. So I'm not opposed to the idea that some kind of hybrid of "equality of outcome" and "equality of opportunity", might get more of what we as a society "want". I'll use an example, lets say that it's true that men are more interested in cars, lets say that for whatever reason men are also more competent at producing cars, but lets say hypothetically that women on average design safer cars. "Society" could "decide" that they "want" to enact policies that encourage more women to build cars because it will create the desirable outcome of there being safer cars. So as Jordan says, "it's f#$#$! complicated eh?".
Jordan Peterson bothers radical feminists because he's done the research, he has the numbers to back up what he says. He's also level-headed enough to not get dragged down into the crap like name-calling and other things that distract from the topic. Sadly, he's usually the smartest guy in the room and he has to talk at what is for him a third-grade level so 'normal' people can understand him.
Feminists also have numbers to back them up. The wage gap is very real. Graphs and everything exist. I’m talking about the gap when a woman has the same job, same hours, same qualifications, and still gets paid less. Also why would Obama talk about it if it was a myth? You have these high political figures who actually know their stuff, but all people want to do is think that their America is so perfect, because these problems don’t affect them. People group all feminists as being crazy, when really it is just a fight for gender equality. This man has never been marginalized because of his race or gender, so it is easy to minimize a group of people’s problems. People would be livid if he said something about black people or another race. So why do you all just doubt women’s problems?
I consider myself a feminist and I also listen to a lot of Jordan Peterson, I don't always agree with what he is saying, but I find him calm and reasonable as he explains himself in most conversations. My only issue is that I feel like there are people who are fans of his that seem to be more on the radical side and resort to name-calling. Both sides have reasonable people who had differing lived experiences and so have different beliefs and on both sides there are highly extreme people who twist words and call names.
@@Mikkixox9 yea like I wanna hear his view points. But I feel like older people like him think it’s impossible to take down gender roles and stereotypes. While it might take a while, if we encourage girls to do jobs that aren’t “traditional” like women in STEM, that changes tradition for the better. But then when women do those jobs, they get ridiculed and made fun of. Boys in the hair and make up industries are supported by women they work with, and I think that should apply the other way around too. But it unfortunately doesnt
@@gabidimarco8328 I agree with you about supporting and encourage girls and women. I also think that men/boys face a great deal of redicule and discrimination going into more 'female' lines of work or even if they grow up a little more on the feminine side. I work in education and there's some distrust and fear over male educators working with young children, which is a shame because some of the best educators I've worked with have been men. As well, from my experience if a little girl plays with blocks, cars, trucks and likes sports she's seen as a 'tom boy', where as if a boy likes to play with the dolls, dress up, care for babies and paint their nails, people are generally more concerned that their may be something 'wrong' with the child. I think their is a societal issue/perception of girls/women=weak and boy/men being=strong and neither of those are good, because then boys learn to bottle their feelings and emotions to be 'stong' and girls learn to be agreeable and people pleasers. It's not healthy on either end, but I have a lot of hope for the generations coming up as I do my small part to help move the needle.
"Fact's don't care about your feelings." "Facts care very much about your feelings. Let me show you this data we have on serotonin levels and..." I love Peterson. He's just the next level, the scientific level.
And Noam Chomsky hates Peterson because he stands up to the poison of Marxist doctrines. Noam is a bright man yet a useless pussy the minute anyone questions his Stalinist-Socialist fantasies. It's really too bad.
Can't remember when Jp said it but its so true. I've heard him praise Joe for asking questions when he's unsure of a topic or words or context or whatever. Jp was certainly not stating Joe to be stupid just not an intellectual in the typical sense. And its so true Joe has a genuine interest and tries extremely hard to understand and converse at this level. Its actually very hard to praise a man for asking questions and not being afraid to do so without demeaning him. Curiosity may have killed the cat but you should never be afraid to ask when you don't understand something.
This is so true. I study engineering at university and all the girls I've seen are very socially gifted. I'm yet to see any awkward female nerds. But the men who are getting really good marks are very socially awkward.
That was a veritable firework of interesting information and contexts. It is very demanding for a non-native English speaker to follow Peterson. Fortunately, I studied statistics for two semesters. So I can understand what he said. It's well worth the effort. The man is simply brilliant.
To touch on the part of where Jordan talks about the dreams. I went through a shit part of my life where I was married to a horrible woman and our marriage was toxic, we separated verbally and I became an alcoholic as a result. After working through my issues. I had hope for reconciliation between her and me due to the kids we share together. However she was a changed person and had shady excuses for everything. I had reoccurring dreams at the time and they consisted of her sleeping around. It got so stressful and real I eventually asked her, her answer was no period. 6 months later I caught her in my bed with another man with my son in the house. My dream was real. And her affair started exactly as my dreams started.
I'd be really interested in a discussion about how the high-risk/high-reward nature more common to men relates to the work of people like Jonathan Haidt and Greg Lukianoff about the removal of all risk from children's lives as they grow up. I wonder how this might affect the strategy since, on the one hand, there may be less risk required for the same rewards, but, on the other, there may be less opportunity to take the risks that reap higher rewards in the first place.
The only problem with this is that when you take hormones, as many transgender people do, it actually changes your muscle mass, so you ARE on a more even playing field than if you weren’t. So instead of XX or XY, it might be XX+hormones can compete against XY.
Psychology is not a field with demand and he goes to it🤓 I go to engineering and milenial, but he trying to insult all milenials like me cause we dont go to filed with a demand🤪😈
@@789uio6y In his defence he went into that field decades ago, it wasn't as saturated then as it is now. Also, and I may be wrong, but i have never seen him insult all millennials regarding their career choice- that would be quite the generalization. I have however seen him criticise a small sub set of students who get degrees in exceedingly low demand fields.
Yeah thats too bad for them. Because Peterson intentionally doesnt mention that hes a psychologist to his patients which pretend to be interviewers for the sake of social experiments for the improvement of the patients mental state. "Oh I see, you believe there are more than 2 genders eh? Well thats interesting. Please go ahead... While he makes notes about his patients & benefits from studying the depths of human psyche XD And soon enough all of his interviewers & people he lead a discussion with are currently sitting all in mental asylums in a "hug me tight west" to prevent them to be a danger to society. We give our patients electroshocktherapy 3 times a day. With enough volts to make the internal temp of them 114°F so they are nicely medium rare lol. Peterson is basically like Chris Hansen. He preys on potential mental asylum candidates & carries out his profession with elegance & expertise. And thats why avoid talking to my psychologist cause I wouldnt want to traumatize him with my life stories. So he needs a therapist as well lol. Jordan Peterson might be 1 of the smartest man in human history. And he is most certainly a very essential figure in the 21th century. His wisdom will shape the way for a brighter future. Out of this stupid & lazy capitalistic maze & onto the path of wisdom & knowledge. He inspired me to persue to study philosophy in the near future. And he also inspired me to get into reading more books. Especially Dostojewski, George Orwell, Nietzsche & so forth. This man has inspired me to become a better person that solves problems with words rather than pointless violence. Its fascinating how much of an impact 1 single person can make on you. Mr Peterson also inspired me to spend more time on things I truly love in life & make me passionate & help me be 1 with myself. I spend much more time on creating music, writting poetry or doing art in general. All it takes is reading 1 inspiring quote by a wise person & it gets me through the day with a smile. I appreciate the little things in life. I focus on the important things not if I have the newest I phone or other trivial stuff. Also being surrounded by nature is also quite therapeutic. Someday I want to leave our fast paced society behind & move perhaps to scandinavia with my family. Just somewhere surrounded by nature in a small cabin. Planting crops, raising animals, & trying to sustain ourselves with our own produce & what not as possible. I feel like the less time I spend online the happier I am. Because there is so many to do that can improve your entire outlook on life. Working out, having a balanced diet, meditating etc All it takes is a step into another direction & you can be so much more happy in life. Just love yourself thats all you can do. And eventually that reflection of love will hit someone else. And make your love shine onto another & you will be happy. I want to share a song with anyone that might be interested to clear up his mind from all the impurities. Check out Padmasana by Buckethead. A really life altering track. Peace
@@Smorss2011 yeah I realize now how much bullshit he spews from his mouth, I still think that he's a great psychologist, but I disagree with his philosophy on just about everything now. he does genuinely seem smart but I can't see past all the manipulative crap he says, regardless this video and the other ones I watched helped form my own opinion on things which turned my view against him haha
This talk was awesome! Both Dr. Peterson and Joe Rogan opinions and thoughts were very interesting to hear. An intelligent, calm and captivating conversation.
As a black woman, I want equality of opportunity. Equality of outcome makes me feel like I didn't earn anything. Getting a scholarship for being black doesn't hit like getting a scholarship for being intelligent.
All reasonable people want equality of opportunity for everyone. The problem is that the radical left has taken this fact and decided to tell everybody about white privilege in an attempt to make you feel like no matter what, you never have equality of opportunity anyway.
@@jn6305 Truth. Which, if it was true, we wouldn't have had people like Obama, Kanye West, Beyonce, or Carson. There are so many amazing, successful, honored, and decorated black people out there. They didn't need a single hand out. If you really believe in black people, let them earn what they have.
UAU! That is the best answer ever!! No Sarcasm involved. The absurd is that what you said is pretty simple to understand and so obvious that I don't know how people cannot agreed with that.
It is irrelevant how it “hits” with you, what matters is that you develop value you want in a given market.
JP just said to avoid raceing/sexing everything.
Please never feel the need to say “speaking as a” I will listen to you regardless of your skin pigmentation.
Preach it preacher
It doesn't matter if a field is 80% male or 80% female as long as the most qualified person gets the job. When we start trying to make everything 50/50 qualified people get turned away for the sake of equality.
Daniel B equality of opportunity
Yeah this idea that women have it worse when there are less women in certain fields is just dumb.
'"equality of opportunity" lmao
Sad part is, qualification is ability to memorize stupid facts in specific order with 0 understanding, aka education process.
@@christ2664 what's wrong with starting everyone from an equal playing field? It's not saying "all women need to be engineers." it's saying "Hey, maybe let's not steer women into certain careers by reinforcing gender stereotypes, and let them do whatever they want, free of criticism." there's a big difference between equality of opportunity and equality of outcome.
I feel bad for Jordan, it’s like he’s standing in front of a forest and saying “look at the trees” and everyone else is like “ there are no trees, everything is a bush “
I was confused for a sec reading your comment lol
I'm so used to him as "Jordan Peterson" rather than just "Jordan" 😆
Or better yet he is like Damn you leftist idiots you made a machine to plant rain clouds in the sky, and now are screaming oh no shit, it raining
@@thetruth1862 wtf
Lol
A lot of poeple woken up and still Do. God is great, Turn to Yeshua, He loves you
I'm a finnish woman and get the subjects of this video. I got into a engineering program in university, almost got my bachelor's degree, but dropped out. I got into a university program in health care. I made the decision to earn significantly less money in a woman-dominated field instead of working as an engineer. There was not enough money in the world to make me do something i don't enjoy for my job. I think it's okay that some fields have more women and others men.
I imagine that if one truly enjoys the job, that person does it well, and might even innovate ways to do it better. My mom was a chemical engineer in the 70s and became a programmer in the early 80s.
Your entire point goes back to the gender and how the differences between men and women are raised.
I think women are taught in Western society to be amenable, which is antithetical to climbing the corporate ladder.
One has to be borderline ruthless become a CEO, many people in society categorize CEOs of being psychopaths or sociopaths.
I'm not saying that women is a whole don't have these characteristics, but there's a lot fewer of them then men,
Data is very clear that women are most interested in people careers, and Men have a much higher propensity to choose careers dealing with machines and objects.
Dr Peterson is correct that women hold the vast majority of the upper echelon jobs in healthcare.
@@sirjorahmormont3448 I was thinking about that, and there is something there. Like "man cry too", i think i agree with that, but...
Okay but WHY are nurses paid less than engineers? Because male dominated jobs are intrinsically regarded as more important. That’s all that needs to be said really.
@@Enthusiasmisgood They are paid less, because they are needed less. That’s not saying that we don’t need nurses: the work force of nurses is simply more saturated than engineering’s. It really has little or nothing to do with gender.
I think throughout all of this, we as a human race, have neglected to mention how strong Jordan Peterson's hair and beard game is
He definitely has a good hairline for a 50 something year old. Better than mine and I’m not even 30 lol.
Dis true
@@danielburriss7827 He had a worse hairline when he was 30 too ;-) Look it up...
@John F the f in your name stands for full homo ;) J.P. approves
He is a king among men
I can't believe there are actually people exist who thinks forced equality of outcome is a good idea. Some of those people are actually quite intelligent. It's like what is going on in their head?
they are all for equality of outcome....until its their outcome that gets taken.
It is a bit mind boggling for sure, I mean I know even the most intelligent people have their stupid moments. But it's a bit hard to believe educated people wouldn't think about the implications of that kind of equality. I really don't know what to make of it.
politicians HAVE to support this idea to have people vote for them, or in order to keep their job. they don't have to agree, but it's the "right" thing to do.
@@Ecthelion3918 Its simple...Intellectuals betrayed the common man as it has been asserted by many intellectuals over the last 70 years. This is not rocket science lol, its the basic human condition concept which asserts that all human action is fundamentally driven by Faith or fear irrespective of facts.
This is why my best meme is the one I sorta created for these sorts of moments
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The intelligent ones don’t actually believe in that type of philosophy - they are preying on the stupid people’s gullibility to advance themselves and their careers and wealth
Jordan Peterson talking about the reasons men and women are different has to be one of the most interesting clips on here.
Men are bigger faster and stronger than us 👀 During my time in the military I also noticed men tend to have a stronger grip on their emotion, especially in stressful situations 🤷🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️Nothing offensive about that
@@angelgray8899 and that's just facts right there good shitt
@@GlitterMarcy and that's why men and women are different and it's ok. My soon to be ex wife 💔😭 can keep things organized for the 4 kids in a way I never could. But I can play with them and discipline them in a way she never could. And I've been trying to convince her our family is worth counseling which weve never done. And effort. 💔😭
@@GlitterMarcy but you are absolutely right.
Ohh jes
Joe is simply the best interviewer out there. He listens, absorbs, and asks intelligent questions without any agenda whatsoever.
Except that he keeps interrupting the person being interviewed mid sentence.
There is absolutely crucial moment in this interview when they talk about congnitivily more able people grouping. Joe quickly realized the point and corrected himself.
I cant stress enough how rare this is when people are talking about any subject. Most of them are caught in trap of trying to be right and dont really absorbing the information given to them.
"There's nothing stupider than a smart person who went wrong"
Yes.
It might say more about the society they are in and the opportunities actually available to them. Since by definition they are smart.
Sure. Let's just say, hypothetically, I was a genius IQ level, graduated from a top University, grown up with a wealthy, relatively decent parent; yet I happen to be a heroin addict. You cant just put off my (again hypothetical) problems on society. I was/am responsible for my own choices.
@@benhaney5843 If you were captured (innocent) and forced heroin with surgery done to your brain to remove capacity to resist addiction -A.
It would be diferent to you choosing to take heroin because you thought it would be fun -B.
Usually if people are moral and smart the bad things that happen to them are because of society imo.
Or more simply put, imo smart ppl can't be "stupider" than everything else. Also usually when people go wrong its because societal systems or their parents fail them, its less about their intelligence.
Ben Haney , they're talking about how environment influences everything , down to genetics , the atoms too , so that being said , your mind is influenced very much by environment
@@benhaney5843 if you were a genius in a first world country is not the same as a genius in Senegal or ksa or whatever shit hole
I can't believe I live in a world where these facts are even debatable.
Nick you're in a world where the very fabric of reality is debatable and has been for millennia, this shouldn't be too surprising
Bro you're living in a world where people debate the fact that the earth is spherical or that its older than 6,000 years...
Facts are not debatable when we're all looking at them the same way. Neither of us has seen the studies he is referring to. Neither of us know who the researchers were paid by. If you listen to Jordan Peterson without questioning him, just taking as a fact anything he says, then you "live in a world" where you make big mistakes. I'm here as a leftie who was too curious to find out Peterson's opinions/agenda. Now I understand a little more. I just wish I was dedicated enough to look up the facts the right way.
@@dariankaltenbach8062 I think you got the wrong impression and you come off a bit antagonized.
I believe Jordan Peterson. The only thing that worries me is the zealous mindset that some people have been said to have. Never had a personal experience with any of it, so eh. It's all good.
I just meant the thing about fact checking in general and how people prefer to listen to someone charismatic, rather than knowing. I'm really happy to hear that you were less lazy than me and actually looked up the research! I really admire that.
But, ehhhh, any chance you could point me in the direction you found those papers? I'd love to check it out.
All I know about Alex Jones are memes.
@@Sulicius "Facts are not debatable when we're all looking at them the same way." I think you are confusing the word fact with the word perspective.
I'm a psychologist and this 24 minute talk is one of the best psychology classes I've ever "attended". There are so many complex and intricate concepts just laid out in a very simple way. JBP is a beast...
@@grayfullbuster4382 I have, I took his personality course from UofT
thank u random person for telling us you are a psychologist maybe you will believe it someday , maybe you wanted to sound smarter than you are and im a city mayor
@@dethimamekaipolla4487 ... What??
@@dethimamekaipolla4487 he was simply saying he has had experience with lessons in psychology and this talk better than most of the classes he has attended. What's so hard to believe about that?
If he had said he was a professional tennis player then said what he said, I could understand your comment but he didn't so why be so flippant?.
He might be a psychologist 🤷🏼♂️
@@JustOneOfThemThings the thing with anonimity on the internet? you see everyone can say whatever they likes before he says sth so he is more convincing.this is not funny at all ^
I think the reason he's become well known is that he's a spokesperson for people who still have their common sense intact and is actually backed by Science, against people who are just out there crying because their feelings got hurt (and they are loud).
Peterson, no matter how often he claims that he is good at not letting his emotions cloud his intellect, is the one whose feelings get hurt whenever feminism and patriarchy are mentioned, especially if the person interviewing him is a woman. He may be bright, but in some respects he is a dinosaur.
I agree
the 99% of us that agree with him should just ignore the 1% of noisy whiners that disagree
Being from Sweden, a lot of things Jordan says is true, for some reason we have an obsession with equality, there has to be 50/50 men and women in every job, and I never understood why. Surely it's a better idea to just let men and women become whatever they desire, and if it turns out that on average, women aren't as interested to become electrical engineers as men then that's the way it is, there's no reason to force that specific field to hire more women to level it out. And we are different, both physically and mentally. So different choices in professions is to be expected. Women tend to seek nursing-related jobs more than men, and men tend to be more interested in objects (technology, vehicles etc).
wait, are you saying that at every job there has to be
about the same gender ratio?
I agree that there should not have to be a 50/50 on each job, we should hire the most qualified regardless of anything but capabilities. I do however think that as a society we should not assign jobs with genders even if that job does have more of one gender working in it. This amplifies the fact that more of one sex works in one a certain field. For example a female may be put off working as an electrician because it’s a “mans field” and not because her brain is wired that way.
@Rowan Melton of course not, but for some reason feminists don't seem too concerned about that.
Living and commenting right now from Sweden, I would say it is not true. We promote Gender equality in terms of equal opportunity and equal pay. But absolutely not 50/50. most of the private companies are aware of the consequence of pushing hard to 50/50 will be that you might lose talented individuals from both gender depending on the branch.
I feel that swedes are starting to get sick & tired of this gender equality -bullshit the more it's forced upon swedes everyday living. Even more worrying now are the universities application of gender studies in their implementation of gender mainstreaming. That means no real freedom of speech and free thinking among students since you're basically not alowed to criticize or debunk this pseudoscience agenda without consequences.. just like in North Korea :)
Equality of outcome: When your Uber driver is a registered blind person...
Underappreciated comment right there xD
“Holy shit is that you Toph- OH SHIT TURN LEF-“
a register blind person can by a self driving car and use it for uber services, all he has to do is not tell you he is register blind, now what?
@@mat4283 Well eventually that will be made, but now, blind people can't drive. Right now, some people can't do things that others can. Of course, technology will bridge the gap eventually, but we can't pretend everyone is equal, cause we can all think and feel but a blind man can't box but a man that can see can.
@@mat4283 sheesh... okay, he's not an uber driver, he's a brain surgeon.
I’ve heard him give the exact same speech on gender like 100 times and it never gets old, he absolutely destroys everything 3rd wave feminists complain about
Yeah...too bad the feminists are not rational...so they just don't get it.
Can you explain to me, why are genders important? Because I really do not see the exact way of how it is beneficial to call someone by specific pronoun. I tried to gain knowledge in Google but everything is vague.
@@johncoffy7824 it’s not “beneficial” it’s just how people speak, and when you try to change how people talk you try to change how they think. Speaking is how we express ourselves and if we are compelled to speak a certain way then we aren’t truly free.
@@fehmuh, then it is okay if I continue to call biological female using "she" even though she call herself a man? Thank you btw
@@johncoffy7824 I never said it was ok I’m saying we shouldn’t compel speech by law, people should be able to call each other whatever they like in their own social groups, but don’t go around demanding that strangers call you something that you don’t outwardly appear to be, because that’s not hate speech that’s just how we communicate.
He's such an interesting man. Middle-aged lesbian here, I really respect this guy - he's helped me immensely.
It really is genuinely good that you can be open minded about something like this.
Really confused as to why you had to put your sexuality in there. Who cares even if you eat pussy?
@@vengeancebyvenom9033 To create a mental image of the kind person she is? As much as I'd like to say people can recognize individuality that isn't the way we work. You are apart of a group and identifying yourself as a member of that group isn't wrong. Jordan goes against the general LGBT outlook and a lesbian stating that he is reasonable solidifies his points. So my question to you is why do you care that someone is announcing their group?
@@vengeancebyvenom9033 Because JP is vilified by many in the LGBT+ community.
@@vengeancebyvenom9033 The fact is...a 'middle-aged lesbian' will get a hard time from the modern 'activists'...possibly more than JP. Lesbians today can be (and are) trolled and picked on if they say, when asked, they would not have a relationship with a trans woman (born a man). Common sense would predict that's the likely answer and no one should even care or have a problem with that...but these are crazy times. I'd like to hear more people of minority sexualities (LGBT+) speak up when they agree with people like JP so we can restore the balanced view of society. I hate it when the loonies always shout louder and are the only ones being heard!
Joe needs to teach seminars on active listening. Because he is a PRO. How he sits there, silently engaged for so long is baffling to me.
What is being said makes sense, truth is always aww to hear!
It is because Joe is truly interested. Many people who do these sort of interviews are doing it just to interview, they could give two shits what the person says, Imagine Larry king interviewing Peterson it would be wasted. Then we have these nightly TV leftist host who would only interview him in an attempt to edit and try to make a fool out of Peterson if they can. Joe on the other hand is really interested in most of the stuff his guest say. He really is a great interviewer and despite his size I do not believe he gets the credit he deserves from the general population for it.
It’s called having a conversation
So shutting up and listening is baffling to you?... yeah typical female LOL 😂
The amount of negging and cuckolding on any post made by a woman seriously needs to stop lol after you visit pornhub; just go outside and get rejected after this quarantine dies out and be toxic to your significant other they love that shit smh
How anyone can accuse JBP of misogyny is beyond belief. He is reasonable & fair, delivering reality to a deluded media.
Without knowing the accuser personally, it is prejudices and agendas.
Not just SJW, but many only accept logic that supports their agenda progressing. Contradiction feels like a crime against the state.
If you don't accept their most extremist beliefs you are a misogynist in their eyes.
Funny to say that is also one reason why he is doing this...
Thats why hes accused of being a misogynistic. Common sense and rational evidence based research is sexist
It's because he upsets women by what he says. They know that they can discredit him by calling him a sexist.
People often attack what they fear.
"There's nothing dumber than an intelligent person who has gone wrong", "the opposite of the truth is the worst kind of wrong". Peterson is an unintentional comedic genius!
He should do battle rap. He would slaughter everyone.
@@mason430 😂
I love Jordan Peterson. He’s The voice of reason that we need in this complicated time in cultural and social history
Well we still aren't letting women on the frontlines
yea though ignore his thoughts on religion he suddenly throws reason out the window
@Grow32 The big bang theory is one of many theories, but the most accepted. This is because there has been done a lot of scientific research into the subject. We've made countless predictions and computer simulations that can back up the claim of the big bang theory.
The theory of evolution is about as close to fact as you are ever going to get. This is not just a ''theory'' like you normies use, this is a scientific theory, which has a completely different meaning.
You are so called open to your religion, not to the 1000's of other religions. You don't take Zeus seriously, or Athena or Thor. So why the hell would you take "God" or Jesus seriously?
@Grow32 Also we do know better. The earth is not 6000 years old. People don't get 200 years old. You can't fit all living animals on a single boat. Burning bushes cannot talk. You cannot walk on water (without tricks). You cannot heal the blind by praying. etc etc etc
human virgin births are not real, being gay is not immoral, neither is eating shellfish or wearing clothes made of 2 or more fabrics. The bible is the biggest piece of hot garbage I have ever read and can be proven wrong a million fold.
@@vinnieg6161 Vinnie, I could talk with you for hours about the origin of the universe. I've long been irritated at the nonsensical statement "It's just a theory". I understand that evolution is scientific fact along with the big bang (a bit shakier though, without a Theory of Everything). I'd love to talk to you about religion. I've been turning towards religion lately despite the fact that science will always be the only framework my mind accepts to explain reality. Do you have a Discord?
I have come to an understanding about religion that has change my world view and I would like to run it by a fellow zealot of objectivity. (It does not violate the laws of physics since anything that does so is unconscionable to me)
"It's very rare that someone is elitist in terms of their cognitive ability"
Oh Joe, let me tell you about the Chess community...
Which is tiny in compare to most other communities.
It's NOT just the chess community. People think I must be an idiot because I've survived two severe TBI's. I'm so absolutely insulted at some of the rude things people say to me, and that the vast majority of people I know don't so much as blink when I make a joke. A man in an adult Sunday school class I was in dropped his jaw and let it hang agape when I asked what, to me, was just another Gospel-related question one Sunday. I was so irritated that he wasn't expecting a high-intellect question that I yelled at him. I felt bad about yelling at him, so that week, I put together a dove-carrying-an-olive-branch gift, set it in front of his door, rang the bell and ran. He did NOT understand the reference, but he did thank me for it. I admit the Italian cookbook and small, felled branch was a little obscure because I cannot afford olive wood, but I thought that since I included Dove chocolate, it would be a dead giveaway. I would have included a note, tying the theme together, but I was afraid it would blow away, and I'm pretty sure I didn't own a stapler at the time. I wasn't sure I had a sense of humor anymore, considering how long it had been since anyone had laughed at one of my quips, but I was having a phone conversation with a new friend, and he seemed VERY jovial. I said I'd never had such a good reception to my material. He said, You tell jokes all the time, and then he said he figured people who know me don't laugh at my jokes because they think anyone with as much brain damage as I have couldn't POSSIBLY be clever enough to say something witty. That was an epiphany for me. I was suddenly EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED with everyone who THOUGHT they knew me; I couldn't believe everyone I knew could be so close-minded. VASTLY disappointing.
@@kayceequesadilla Open-mindedness takes time and is an active exercise for every breathing moment of man
Joel The Owl and academia.
Brier-Rose HopeDiamond you're projecting your insecurities onto others, you seem super paranoid. people don't notice the stuff you're talking about...
What people seem to not understand is that he's *defending* equality of opportunity, he's only saying that *on average* , keyword: *average* , men and women are different, and that nb should expect equality of *outcome* nor should they evaluate the effort that is done for equality on its basis.
@서영준 lol you think theres equality of outcome in china. have you ever been there? there is a massive difference between the rich and the poor, they are only a communist country in loose terms and because of their image. in factuality they are an authoritharian semi capitalist dictatorship with massive inequality in the country
I actually was expecting the word "communism" to be thrown in at any moment when discussing equality of outcome! There are *plenty* of studies that debunk this and call it for what it is A UTOPIA!
@@guillermosuarez6535 it doesnt take a genius that we are never going to be able equally wealthy or whatever, but to just throw our arms in the air and be fine with any inequalities is just crazy. because some inequalities by the fact that they are sosevere SHOW that there isnt equality of opportunity in a given issue, its just not that visible. for example even if women choose lower paying jobs we should look into why that is. and if its somethihng that is socially taught to them it hsould be changed because they are creating a gap that shouldnt be so severe.
@@joaodelgado6696 No dude, It's not my point nor Jordan's to say: "This is all fine!" the point is that there is no way in hell everybody can have the same outcome without some communism or something as wicked as that. Why? Because even with equalitarian opportunities people are just different, some have superior talent, or will, or ambition, or determination, or even luck! So again, the point is not that having gaps between rich and poor is okay because it's not. The point is that aspiring equity in outcomes is futile because there will be someone who will work harder, better, more efficient and that should be rewarded!
@@guillermosuarez6535 again. this isnt some elightened thinking, this is fuckin common sense. that doesnt mean its a valid point or something we should contend with. People in the middle ages could have said exactly the same thing "well no one is ever going to be equal so we might as well enjoy the best of our situation". No, not everything can be solved but some things CAN be solved and SHOULD be soulved. Just throwing our arms in the air and saying, oh well we ve made enough progress is crazy. PLenty of inequalities can still be meaningfully addressed without turning the coutnry into a crazy communist utopia, this is a strawman. Look objectively at the problems, and figure out solutions. and yes, if we all believe we as humans are truly equal, meaning that our differences are between individuals and not between groups, meaning whites are no different from blacks, or men from women, than the inequalities that we see in the present OUTCOME should raise some red flags. because right now society shows inequalities based on gender race, etc. Erasing inequalities between individuals is not a deried or realistic project, but erasing inequalities betewen races for example is very well achievable and there are a number of solutions that could be practiced. the problem is it goes against the bigoted status quo so nothing changes and people just say "oh welp. things are always going to be inequal so why bother doing anything"
He is so brilliant- his intellect actually pisses people off to the point of utter insanity. All of what he is saying is backed by scientific proof/data. We need more like him.
not when he talks about religion though
@@thorstenmarquardt7274 It depends what aspect of religion your speaking about, since if you're only talking about the subjective religious experience then yes, but not in terms of the psychological distillations found within the narratives that can be paralleled to human behavior
@@calundoconteal6851 he believes his wife was cured from cancer by an invisible wizard in the sky
It’s understandable that this tragedy makes him and everyone else emotional, but it’s highly irrational and nonsensical
@@thorstenmarquardt7274 I don't see how that relates to his psychological interpreatations of religion.
If he believes in God, so what? Many brilliant people believe in God, and there is nothing wrong with it. There is a rational side of people, but then there is a mythical side of people, and even you have that, although it may not be in the form of a traditional God. We all have a unique inner world and not everything is an objective experience.
The difference is, he doesn't oush his subjective God experience into his psychological work, and like Carl Jung, when he evokes religion, he does so in a systematic matter where it's contents are defined as poroducts of human universals
@@calundoconteal6851 “so what” it is highly irrational to believe in supernatural voodoo and it is highly dishonest to claim that supernatural stuff is real
As a masculine female who has always preferred “things”, this actually makes me feel far better than the leftist crowd ever did. They say I should actually be a man; Jordan says I’m fine and normal the way I am. I appreciate that.
True, you may merely suffer from being cool. Keep rocking.
@@AlexDiesTrying Huh?
That was a compliment, I think.
I have ADHD, as a kid my mom would allow me to work outside with my dad and brothers with the fun work. I wasn’t allowed in the kitchen because I burn things. I’m not gay I don’t think I’m a man, I’m just not a good fit for jobs that are done by women in my culture and society. I’m married to a man, have six kids, still can’t cook but I’m definitely a woman.
I also don’t appreciate these kids telling me I’m a man in a woman’s body and doing injustice to my self. They should go fly a kite.I also don’t appreciate them calling me a breeder or a feeder, I’m a mother and a woman.
@@sk-may “They should go fly a kite” is a great insult, do you mind if I steal it? 😂
To say that men and women are different is considered controversial. WTF happened to us?
Honest answer? Sociology suggests that conditioning and nature impact each other. The logical extrapolation of that is that we can't necessarily observe the "objective" differences between men and women because we're all shaped by our circumstances and by what our parents and teachers and media have taught us.
Basically, possibly men and women/males and females are different, but what we identify as a man versus what we identify as a woman is shaped by society. Which differences are noted and highlighted as important is decided by society.
But that's it. That's not saying men and women aren't different, or that males and females aren't different. It's saying that what those differences are and how big those differences are, can't be precisely pinpointed by us, because we exist within a society that shapes both our own perspective and shapes what we're looking at.
None of that means that there IS no difference, or that you can possibly organize a society where there are no differences. It certainly doesn't suggest that you SHOULD go about organizing a society where there are no differences!
I trained as a sociologist. Sociology as a discipline is not in alignment with what Peterson refers to as the radical left.
A-O what makes you say that
A-O no I’m cheese from foster home
A-O that’s very true, it’s like humans are the hyenas. Women get all the benefits and privileges
A-O, I disagree. It’s an oligarchy.
man listening to jordan peterson talk with someone that actually lets him express his ideas is something wonderful. so much insight flowing through conversation. pretty crazy people will close out of the podcast the second they hear something that they don’t agree with, as if they have more insight on the matter than either one of these guys
yeah, he doesn't cut Jordan off like some slogan shouting radical left on mainstream media.....
It nice to hear the subject of gender approached rationally, instead of emotionally. He's also right on in his analysis of "intellectual elitism."
Conversion
I think people get emotional because what they see in this is child abuse. It’s ridiculous that it’s happening.
I bet the boys of this generation become very dangerous!
Forcing them against their nature is a way of rejecting their natural existence, no empathy just lost confusion anger and a generation of psychopaths.
@@TrimTrimmer It definitely is child abuse, and it needs to be stopped. Sweden, Finland, and England already have. It's going to take longer here, where this "hyper-woke" insanity got started, because people are afraid to speak up.
I think a big part of opportunity vs outcome is asking who is responsible for certain obstacles.
Those who seek equality of opportunity seek to remove institutional/systemic obstacles that openly and actively inhibit categories of people.
Those who seek equality of outcome, however, want society to accommodate for every infinitesimal difference that might put them at even the slightest disadvantage (quality of upbringing, psychological and physiological differences, etc.).
Bruh, Joe’s eye contact and ability to listen to someone speak is insane
Mike Hunt Ritalin. Lol. Kidding.
AverageCZcamsCommenter I’ve noticed I do that too lol. It really depends on the person you are listening to, some personalities may like that and see it as engaged. Yet other will see it as intimidating, always a good idea to read the other persons expressions
You should check out his interview with dr soh :D
Well at this point it's kinda his job
Because he isn’t smart enough to add to the conversation.
This made me depressed because it's so logical and makes so much sense, and the world is headed in the opposite direction of this.
Me too. People like Jordan are so far ahead of the average.
"Depressed"
I had a dream last night about beds. Dreams are true though?
Is it possible this is by design?
The silent majority is not insane. I think we're better off than "they" tell us.
Jordan Peterson gets excited every time he realizes Joe understands what he's saying..😆😆
i laughed
I celebrate our differences. I love how men & women are different. When accepted & honored, we compliment each other beautifully. 💞
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"Opposite of the truth, which is the worst kind of wrong."
lmao, that's brilliant.
Type I errors are considered the most serious in statistics. To claim something as false when it is true.
This man is a bloody genius.. and he is just stating the facts. But those facts are stated in such a complex and intriguing way that you are mesmerized to hear them..
And yet he gets told to go crawl back under whatever rock he came out from by agenda-driven people.
yeah you know that's not a good thing, one complain I would have to give to him is that, for a professor, he's really bad at explaining. He makes grand arguments with fancy words that in the end, doesn't really accumulate to anything comprehensible and that is his fault. Sure he's a bit eccentric and even poetic at times but when you're trying to articulate a thought that is suppose to be the ground of your argument, you're supposed to be as concise and clear as you can. Which he doesn't do. When you start noticing this, you will also notice that he rarely finishes a thought completely and leaves many holes open but since he's so quick minded and charming, it gives the impression to the person he's speaking with that his argument is fullproof. It is not.
@@cyral_u So pretty much your saying..he should Barney it down a level, so everyone else can understand...lol..I agree at some point, but if he did..he wouldn't be the Jordan Peterson we know now.
@@gonzcway6428 did you just drop a "so what you're saying is" on a JP video, that sentence is banned here.
@@cyral_u Exactly, next time I'll add pronouns..lol
i never saw a talkative guy like Joe that calmy listening. I am proud of you Joe
Joe is pretty good at sitting down and letting people talk. He has a thirst for knowledge and you don’t learn by talking, learn by listening
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"Male uber drivers earn 7% more because they drive faster." Perfect way to sum it all up.
YOU ARMSTRONG, ARE THE WIN.
At this time I am driving for a living. More than 50% of people on the road are slowpokes and cause gridlock, about 30 to 50% of these people are men. I am a man and used to think that the reason I'm an efficient driver was because I'm a man and women are uncomfortable behind the wheel - not true. There are lot of men who are uncomfortable driving and are slowpokes.
@@peppercap driving at a safe, law abiding pace does not equate to uncomfortable.
@@peppercap I am assuming you're suggesting that people who are driving for the sake of arriving at a destination can be compared to people who are driving for the sake of earning a wage. I think these two things can't be compared. When I drive to work, I give myself extra time and I drive leisurely; however, if time was money, I would constantly drive with purpose. I might even make opportunities for myself to get to where I'm going faster like speeding, making rolling stops, or making frequent lane changes. This is the high-risk-high-reward decision making mindset referred to by Peterson. Supposedly, per Peterson, men are more likely to drive like that than women, and so they earn more money.
Taking longer would make you more since your earnings is based on a a by mile and by minute basis. For example it could be 75¢/mile and 10¢/minute. If you’re speeding and trying to make it to the destination super fast, not only is that going to cost more gas, it’s going to make you less. Not to mention a lot of passengers don’t like when you drive too fast because they get scared. Unless a passenger specifically says they’re late and need you to go fast, your best bet is to go around the speed limit or the speed of traffic.
This is a perfect example of what a good interviewer joe is......my man is talking, let’s listen.
Joe Rogan was smart to keep his mouth shut here because he doesn’t stand a chance. He doesn’t have a clue how to match wits with an intellect like Jordan Peterson. Nor does he understand a word of what Jordan is saying
Equality of opportunity is the point! I just want the ability to choose my path and not be judged or paid based on my gender but on the quality of my work. I want caregiver jobs to be paid better too, because there is as much value and importance in that work as there is in producing software.
importance yes, value not. I generally believe that we should decrease amount paid to actors, singers and other parasites like sports people, but it is all market driven so unluckily caring for elderly people is not as specialized as coding unless u are a doctor and then at this point u usually get paid more than typical software enginner, at least in most of the countries.
It is incorrect to say "caring for old people is not as specialized as coding". It is, it's just that we don't value the outcome of a well cared for old person to specialize in it properly and therefore pay for it properly.
Id like to have Jordan Peterson as a life coach. He seems like the type of person who could provide someone with the knowledge to better themselves both financially & psychologically
The longest I’ve heard Jordan speak in one sitting. Wow. This is what he sounds like without interruption...
Oh, man, you need to explore Dr. Peterson's channel more. The vast majority of his videos I watch involve only him speaking for most, if not all of the video. Then again, I don't lean toward the politically themed videos. I prefer the psychologically themed videos.
@@klariskb4497 "messed up"
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He puts all his lectures on CZcams. I don't think he monetises them either.
GREAT point. It’s amazing to hear somebody with his intelligence speak uninterrupted by some fragile person who ultimately is not interested and never will be interested in his core points.
Go watch some of his lectures on YT he is a smart dude. His Naysayers really make me question their intelligence the minute I see them. Likely the same people trying to convince me that gender is a spectrum if I had to guess.
I'm all for equal opportunity, I am not for equal outcome
Dude that is like...a revelation I wish I'd had earlier in my life
No one seems to realise they're essentially the same thing. Dumb leftists are incapable of making this point but it's just a fact. The (non-retarded) left actually has a point. There's actually no equality of opportunity without equality of outcome in the first place, and that's a big problem....
@@c.l.368 No one says retarded anymore, it's offensive
@@ariadnewolf8667 "That's retarded"
~Rick Sanchez
@@woofelator The word retarded is actually a slur. Also, the whole equality of outcome thing is something Peterson. I've literally never heard anyone else say it. Its a strawman.
People like Jordan Peterson are our main assests against Idiocracy.
This is true. We are fortunate to have him.
Yea but sadly the Crocs became popular and set us firmly down a path 😂
What a joy to actually hear intelligent discussion in a world full of the opposite. JP's take on male/female differences, (based on deep thought and thorough academic research), reflects my own personal experiences in the workplace, home and beyond.
"They are also, what would you call... patronizing"
Never change Jordan.
Initially I had no idea why there was any controversy surrounding Jordan Peterson. Now I see why some find him so "unsettling". It's because he's brutally honest. I only wish he was as prominent 20-25 years ago as he is today
Brutally honest yet rose to fame because he either lied about bill c-16 or didn't understand it.
No we need him now more than 25 years ago. Especially as someone who preaches logic and truth in this current impulse, emotion driven cultural zeitgeist that’s going on.
@@MrEiwa123 Pff bullshit. Go home, crazy!
+Tow Hee Ahhh don't even waste your time on NotArt. Zie's still stuck on "it's got nothing to do with gender pronouns or law". Completely unaware of the destructive philosophy which propagates identity politics and where it ultimately leads.
His brutal honesty combined with his intellectual deficit make him obnoxious af.
I love how Joe sums up what has been said with lower vocab words which makes it easier to understand the concepts and includes into that thoughts that are noteworthy
For me, I could listen to Peterson talk for hours. There's always something to be learned from this brain!
Beautiful science and rationale for modern times 👌🏼
Being from Sweden, a lot of things Jordan says is true, for some reason we have an obsession with equality, there has to be 50/50 men and women in every job, and I never understood why. Surely it's a better idea to just let men and women become whatever they desire, and if it turns out that on average, women aren't as interested to become electrical engineers as men then that's the way it is, there's no reason to force that specific field to hire more women to level it out. And we are different, both physically and mentally. So different choices in professions is to be expected. Women tend to seek nursing-related jobs more than men, and men tend to be more interested in objects (technology, vehicles etc).
Stand by science!!!
Man if people stop being so obsessed with these things and focus on just living a good life and being there for each we would be living in a neo futuristic advance society by now
We need more Type O blood represented on TV. And equal representation of Mesomorphs, ectomorphs, and endomorphs. There are too many Libras in high paying jobs, we need more Gemini and Virgos.
Oh please yes, I don't think Gemini's are represented enough as country presidents.
We need to integrate the polar bears and black bears. They are just too segregated.
Hah! Yeah.
What’s a mesomorph?
Naaaah we need more pisces, we are the minority here NOT YOU....lol
Rhabdo B it’s a body type, mesomorph is like the big muscle body.
Jordan is so good at communicating our current predicament in Western society. I agree with his take 100%.
Joe you should kick the can down the road and return to this same type discussion at regular intervals. Thanks for sharing
The good Doctor looks so fantastic with a well trimmed beard. Really outlines his features and the subconscious observation from many of us leads him to embody the Archetype of the "Sage" or the "Old Father".
Man, the world makes so much sense when you understand some of Jungs' ideas, it continually blows my mind every single day. What an absolutely magnificent blessing it is to be alive.
"Old Father", kinda' like god, lol?
"It makes that theory not only wrong, but the opposite of the truth, which is the worst kind of wrong."
The flood's coming.
The rainbow is a promise that the God will not use flood waters too destroy the world... Again. This time he is going to use FIRE!!!
I'm with Set, Aquarions unite!
Or instead of a flood or fire it'll all end with the "God of Chaos" meteor thats supposed to hit earth in 10 years. I think it's a sign that we all need to get our shit together quick!
Mom’s gonna fix it all soon. Mom’s coming round to put it back the way it outta be.
The Buddha gave a prophecy of exactly what's going to happen. Spoiler: It's not the end of the world, but it's gonna be a deep cut.
I've witnessed first hand how this equality never works. Hiring unqualified people and promoting unqualified people over the best qualified people will always lead to disasters.
Sadly, too many businesses act this way.
TallulahSoie I remember dealing with that in high school, working at a major grocery chain, they hired a kid who had some sort of mental disorder, to the point he would climb up on top of the freezer and cry and you couldn’t get him down, he had to have his dad come get his schedule every week, that’s not equality, that’s just ridiculous.
It's basically Communism. Those guys were never good at facts and planning.
In a *rational* society, if we notice that 80% of doctors are male, we don't begin indiscriminately hiring under-qualified females! We go back to the beginning and research why fewer female students are getting into med school. Then we follow it back to the step before that and ask why fewer female students excel in STEM studies. You determine the factors behind that (poverty, social bias, etc) and then you fix THAT.
People are just allergic to work and love slapping Band-Aids on things.
It leads to a toxic workplace where the most competent people will leave or become unhappy and unmotivated.
Jordan, thank you for being in the forefront of sharing information about this political issue . I agree with what's been said 100%. But I do have to mention that there is a community called Damanhur, in Italy, that claims to have equality for all, including outcome; though, they categorize people. I heard of this from Psychologist here in California with Master Degrees, are guest teachers at Stanford and have good standing; they swear by it. They have implied that the community and its leaders have found a model for society. Please, if anyone has more insight, share.
The more I watch/read this guy, the more I realize he’s actually a really good person who cares deeply about helping people by giving them a huge dose of reality, science, psychology, and attempting to lift them up. More so than the blue haired psychos who scream fascist at him for denying their delusions
you can see how Jordan Peterson is having some mini strokes trying to comprehend the fact that he is in a platform that actually fives him space and time to speak and don't try to make him look bad, or say what they want him to say...
I know, right! Even I am periodically surprised that the host is not attacking him every time he opens his mouth. 😂
Gender Paradox was my favorite 80's new wave band.
parrafin paradox is better...search the video and watch it
The drummer went to my high school in 11th grade.
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Cloverfield paradox is my preferred gender identity
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"there is nothing stupider than a smart person that went wrong" god i love this man PREACH Jordan!!!
5:50 thanks for that key of understanding!!! great to know!
Equality of opportunity but not outcome just makes so much more sense.
I'm thinking that"s what is referred to in the constitution - "land of opportunity".
Adnan A I would agree 100% the main issue is that we all have to agree that we do not have equal opportunity at least not in every situation. Schools in our country are determined by your ZIP Code and that is a fact. I say that as someone lives in the suburbs and lives in a nice middle-class home.
@@arunsalwan8558 yes ghetto schools dont have the same opportunity, but this is not what feminists are fighting for they fight for equality of outcome which is insane
bustinasscoach that’s a dangerous slippery slope and ultimately bad for society
@@arunsalwan8558 what is a dangerous slope? all jordan is saying is equality of chance is good, equality of outcome is disaster
I really like Joe because he is smart enough to know that he does not know everything. So he asks questions and awaits the answer. He actually wants to learn. It seems that every woman, however, who interviews Dr. Peterson, tries to attack him and prove their intellectual superiority. Of course they fail miserably and the doctor makes them look as foolish as they are. Go Joe!
The Women are doing their "duty" to attack "the patriarchy" & attempt to discredit him bc he doesn't Ally with their movement
This only applies to people he likes. He has his moments of being a good host sure but he certainly can be aggressive about things if he doesn't agree.
@@sirprize5191 100%
@@matthewscott9739 I rather would say it comes down to your political stance. If your a hardlining lefty you don't want to deal with natural facts. Peterson said it one time in perfect fashion: "their ideas come from a noble place".
Due to the fact they want everything to be equal so badly, they can't wrap their head around the cruel reality of this world never was ment to be an equal playing field for everybody. You simply can't balance out everything.
@@ariesaggressiv7569 political stance...we are talking about the agenda of the sisterhood here. That agenda almost always has to do with my undermining the intellect & authority of men.
The angle always to make the man appear dumb, weak, antiquated & irrelevant or if all fails abusive/misogynistic
The point at the end actually makes a lot of sense. I also think it could add to more viewership to both the current men's and women's leagues because they'd essentially be integrated.
we miss you doctor pederson. Do not let any of the hate get to you and bring you down or affect your health. You know deep down inside that far more people love you, support you, and fully believe your rational and theories. We need you back to fight the most important fight in our world today. You have to keep fighting for us all. We all have same opinions as you, just that you are much better at presenting and explaining those points of views. Hope you heal your mind, body and soul and come back to us all. As a fellow Canadian I pray the world will be rid of people like Justin Trudeu, and instead people like you become prevalent and strong.
Wow, you certainly assume a lot if you believe that "we all have the same opinions as you" which isn't accurate at all.
You cannot even spell his name correctly.
Close your eyes. Now picture Joe Rogan having a conversation with Kermit the Frog. I was napping when this came on, and woke up thinking Kermit was really clever.
LMAO
I agree! The Kermit voice is also seen in Carl Sagan, it's the perfect background noise on which to sleep.
Carl Sagan had an amazing nasally deeper pitched and soothing voice you can zzzzzz to effortlessly while JP has great info but his voice hurts my ears after a time. Still, no students fall asleep during his lectures.
I love "The Muppet Show," but don't be dissin' Dr. Jordan Peterson. The man is AWESOME.
Oh man, I absolutely love Dr. Peterson but every time I hear his voice it makes me feel like I need to clear my throat
I love how Joe knows when to listen and shut up. It's a rare talent these days
equality of outcome is when womens restroom and mens restrooms have the same amount of toilets. Equality of opportunity is knowing that women have to use the bathroom more frequently than men(due to biological difference), and therefore should have more toilets to accompany the need of women to empty their bladder as fast as men can(without having to wait in a long queue)
Actually it's the vice versa
9:04 "One of the things that's cool about dreams is that even though they're hard to interpret, they never lie."
The person I deem fit for the job gets it with when I hire for my company.
The End.
I remember reading our ministers comments about Petersson and hearing about it again makes me feel ashamed of being Swedish. Jordan Petersson is such a classy guy and so proffesional in the way he behaves in, at least for me, stressful debates with agitated dissidents. Problem is/was that many people, including our foreign minister for sure, didn't understand that he was delivering facts and whats studies tend to show, not his own opinions.
I saw Peterson hosting a Swedish talkshow around the same time and another polititian, leader of a well astablished party in Sweden, tried to argue with him not understanding that he presented well documemted facts and not personal views. Peterson kept his calm, as always, and tried to explain but to no good. She ended it with saying: "Well, i dont agree with that"! Don't ask me how u dont agree with facts, but that's what she said! Again, feeling a bit ashamed for being Swedish, but it was very clear that she didn't understand 1) the terminology he was using and how "equality of choice" effects "equality of outcome" 2) that he presented facts and what studies tend to show. Could've been a language barrier.. But no. It was ignorance and unwillingnes to understand. It's hard to comprehend how top polititians in a country, can misinterpret a situation that bad. Not just one polititian but several of them..
The outcome when having total equality of choice apperently isn't what could be expected and doesn't suit the feminist agenda. So instead of trying to understand the paradox and face the truth.. The outcome became Petersons personal views and he got stamped as an antifeminist. Even the talkshow host started asking questions about Petersons upbringing and what kind of father figueres he had! As if to find out where the professor in psykology got his vierd views from! It was very embarrising to watch, not to say cringy! But Petersons, kept his composure as always and politly answered the questions, no doubt understanding what was going on.
I'm certain, that quoting and forced equality of outcome is to be far more expected in my country in the future.. As to correct what free choice couldnt achieve!
After reading your comment, I just watched the Jordan B. Peterson | Full interview | SVT/TV 2/Skavlan interview again. Yes, 99.9% of the IQ at that table was dominated by one person. And that woman coming out with the most banal wishful thinking statements nobody disagrees with - not even Jordan Peterson - and looking around so pleased with herself as if she destroyed his arguments and has said something brilliantly original. She's just robotically repeating the - no evidence - party line. And somehow she thinks that being obedient is being virtuous.
You shouldn’t feel ashamed for being Swedish at all..
this was just a person that either refused to acknowledge the facts or for some reason hated who Jordan Peterson was and was very narrow minded etc
David, yes I saw that interview and totally agree with your synopsis of the issues emanating from that program. Don’t be ashamed to be Swedish, it’s an interesting experiment being carried out in your country. But women will eventually wake up when they realise men are no longer interested them because of their anti-male views.
This is the best video I've watch so far about equality and this is a knowledge that I needed to understand this issue
I hear so much things from this man that are making so much sense, which I haven´t heard anywhere else before.
Lets also begin the discussion on pay inequality between tall and short people. And attractive and unattractive people. And smart and dumb people.
Let's not stop there.. Assertive versus shy people.. Good social skills against anti social types. The list is infinite.. Whatever the mind can come up with..
It's those that decide to include or exclude criteria of Inclusiveness that would hold all the power, which they of course never will because all of this is fucked ...
you certainly could. and you could even objectively realize that its unfair. but you could also realize that theres not much to be done i think. you certainly could try to make society more open towards shorter men (that would be great) just like you could make society more open towards women in certain fields
I worked in food industry and milfs always got 4x tips vs me
Actually this is a thing in other countries that attribute skill with physical appearance. In South Korea, resumes have profile pictures and they determine who gets, say, a job as a grocery worker based on appearance. It has forced a huge problem and normalization with cosmetic surgery. People spend every last dime on skincare products and surgery instead of food and tell themselves they dont need the food anyway because for them over 115 pounds is fat and if they do eat then they wont get hired. It's an awful world out there. No one is special, not even Jorden bingers who now think they have a philosophy degree are immune tbh
Forced outcome is the most destructive idea humanity has ever had.
well... nuclear weapons id say slightly edges it out, but i agree it certainly takes a close second.
@@hapyy1993 Nuclear weapons would take the cake if there was a large scale Nuclear attack somewhere or globally but only a few have been deployed against populations of people so it doesn't compare, though it certainly always retains that potential.
Actually it's a close second to communism.
Listening To This Man Talk is so captivating
I wish there was a Joe Rogan & Jordan Peterson daily show. I could listen to them go on about any topic, honestly.
Lessons Learned:
1- high-risk high return strategy
2- extra 10% of work has a nonlinear return
3- there is such a thing as a part-time business
Joe brought up a fine point in the context of this discussion ie cognitive ability. JP mention of this is beside the point. Cognitive ability is related to qualifications and educational background ie degrees, certification and so on. It's a tangible indicator of where a persons cognitive abilities lie.
Yes, some employers give a test to prospective employees but that shouldn't be a "deal breaker". Should it?
Where are the studies?
Really need them
Bloody hell, he's very technical and precise with his words I love it😂😂I'm an economics student and when we do our OLS interpretations and all let's say for men and women, listening to him feels like I'm listening to my professor, one standard deviation more n all😂😂
you should see him try to have an argument with cathy newman. He was so careful not to say anything that cathy could use against him, and he ended up embarrassing her really well
@@nomanm.5884 bro I've watched literally most of the interviews and podcast, how could I watch the classic, the cathy Newman one😂. When i was watching liberally i was like let him finish woman and what's with so you're saying and comment section was flooded with it😂
@@vaibhavphuloria4059 yeah it was infuriating to watch her ignore all his points and try to attack invisible points
It just hit me. Jordan Peterson sounds like a sane Rick.
True that
A wise one
God we've hit bedrock on edgy comments
@@michadewandeler4028 😭
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As Peterson himself has said "it depends on what you want". And so whilst I can't deny the truth of his observations, it's not unreasonable to me that some people may want, for example, more women in STEM fields, because it may produce other socially desirable outcomes. So I'm not opposed to the idea that some kind of hybrid of "equality of outcome" and "equality of opportunity", might get more of what we as a society "want".
I'll use an example, lets say that it's true that men are more interested in cars, lets say that for whatever reason men are also more competent at producing cars, but lets say hypothetically that women on average design safer cars. "Society" could "decide" that they "want" to enact policies that encourage more women to build cars because it will create the desirable outcome of there being safer cars. So as Jordan says, "it's f#$#$! complicated eh?".
Thanks gentlemen. Super valuable conversation
Jordan Peterson bothers radical feminists because he's done the research, he has the numbers to back up what he says. He's also level-headed enough to not get dragged down into the crap like name-calling and other things that distract from the topic. Sadly, he's usually the smartest guy in the room and he has to talk at what is for him a third-grade level so 'normal' people can understand him.
Feminists also have numbers to back them up. The wage gap is very real. Graphs and everything exist. I’m talking about the gap when a woman has the same job, same hours, same qualifications, and still gets paid less. Also why would Obama talk about it if it was a myth? You have these high political figures who actually know their stuff, but all people want to do is think that their America is so perfect, because these problems don’t affect them. People group all feminists as being crazy, when really it is just a fight for gender equality. This man has never been marginalized because of his race or gender, so it is easy to minimize a group of people’s problems. People would be livid if he said something about black people or another race. So why do you all just doubt women’s problems?
@@gabidimarco8328 Sticks and stones may break my bones but there's always something to offend a feminist
I consider myself a feminist and I also listen to a lot of Jordan Peterson, I don't always agree with what he is saying, but I find him calm and reasonable as he explains himself in most conversations. My only issue is that I feel like there are people who are fans of his that seem to be more on the radical side and resort to name-calling. Both sides have reasonable people who had differing lived experiences and so have different beliefs and on both sides there are highly extreme people who twist words and call names.
@@Mikkixox9 yea like I wanna hear his view points. But I feel like older people like him think it’s impossible to take down gender roles and stereotypes. While it might take a while, if we encourage girls to do jobs that aren’t “traditional” like women in STEM, that changes tradition for the better. But then when women do those jobs, they get ridiculed and made fun of. Boys in the hair and make up industries are supported by women they work with, and I think that should apply the other way around too. But it unfortunately doesnt
@@gabidimarco8328 I agree with you about supporting and encourage girls and women. I also think that men/boys face a great deal of redicule and discrimination going into more 'female' lines of work or even if they grow up a little more on the feminine side. I work in education and there's some distrust and fear over male educators working with young children, which is a shame because some of the best educators I've worked with have been men. As well, from my experience if a little girl plays with blocks, cars, trucks and likes sports she's seen as a 'tom boy', where as if a boy likes to play with the dolls, dress up, care for babies and paint their nails, people are generally more concerned that their may be something 'wrong' with the child. I think their is a societal issue/perception of girls/women=weak and boy/men being=strong and neither of those are good, because then boys learn to bottle their feelings and emotions to be 'stong' and girls learn to be agreeable and people pleasers. It's not healthy on either end, but I have a lot of hope for the generations coming up as I do my small part to help move the needle.
"Fact's don't care about your feelings."
"Facts care very much about your feelings. Let me show you this data we have on serotonin levels and..."
I love Peterson. He's just the next level, the scientific level.
And Noam Chomsky hates Peterson because he stands up to the poison of Marxist doctrines.
Noam is a bright man yet a useless pussy the minute anyone questions his Stalinist-Socialist fantasies. It's really too bad.
@@j_freed He's an anarchist actually and verociously opposes Stalins doctrine. (which is implied in anarchist)
Can't remember when Jp said it but its so true. I've heard him praise Joe for asking questions when he's unsure of a topic or words or context or whatever. Jp was certainly not stating Joe to be stupid just not an intellectual in the typical sense. And its so true Joe has a genuine interest and tries extremely hard to understand and converse at this level. Its actually very hard to praise a man for asking questions and not being afraid to do so without demeaning him. Curiosity may have killed the cat but you should never be afraid to ask when you don't understand something.
This is so true. I study engineering at university and all the girls I've seen are very socially gifted. I'm yet to see any awkward female nerds. But the men who are getting really good marks are very socially awkward.
That was a veritable firework of interesting information and contexts. It is very demanding for a non-native English speaker to follow Peterson. Fortunately, I studied statistics for two semesters. So I can understand what he said. It's well worth the effort. The man is simply brilliant.
SJWs be like "It's Mussolini & Hitler having a conversation. Punch Nazis."
If Hitler wore a dress, feminists and SJWs would post it all over their instagram stories
Musclelini
@@alexthao11, your lumping feminists and SJWs together shows that you lack knowledge of both of them.
To touch on the part of where Jordan talks about the dreams. I went through a shit part of my life where I was married to a horrible woman and our marriage was toxic, we separated verbally and I became an alcoholic as a result. After working through my issues. I had hope for reconciliation between her and me due to the kids we share together. However she was a changed person and had shady excuses for everything. I had reoccurring dreams at the time and they consisted of her sleeping around. It got so stressful and real I eventually asked her, her answer was no period. 6 months later I caught her in my bed with another man with my son in the house. My dream was real. And her affair started exactly as my dreams started.
I'd be really interested in a discussion about how the high-risk/high-reward nature more common to men relates to the work of people like Jonathan Haidt and Greg Lukianoff about the removal of all risk from children's lives as they grow up. I wonder how this might affect the strategy since, on the one hand, there may be less risk required for the same rewards, but, on the other, there may be less opportunity to take the risks that reap higher rewards in the first place.
I love the XX / XY distinction for athletic competition idea! Problem solved!
The only problem with this is that when you take hormones, as many transgender people do, it actually changes your muscle mass, so you ARE on a more even playing field than if you weren’t. So instead of XX or XY, it might be XX+hormones can compete against XY.
@@vbvermont it might happen on the extreme of the distribution but not on average so it wouldn't work as general rule but is totally possible
@@vbvermont Yeah taking steroids shouldn't be allowed you know.
Yh, until some people start to "feel like" they were born with the wrong chromosomes and we're back to square minus one
Can't change that 🤷
Dr. Peterson is a 'Clinical Psychologist' which is missed by all who hate him.
Psychology is not a field with demand and he goes to it🤓 I go to engineering and milenial, but he trying to insult all milenials like me cause we dont go to filed with a demand🤪😈
I thought getting degrees was liberal indoctrination?
@@789uio6y In his defence he went into that field decades ago, it wasn't as saturated then as it is now. Also, and I may be wrong, but i have never seen him insult all millennials regarding their career choice- that would be quite the generalization. I have however seen him criticise a small sub set of students who get degrees in exceedingly low demand fields.
@@contrasource910 I suppose he thinks it would depend on the degree, though i can't be sure.
Yeah thats too bad for them. Because Peterson intentionally doesnt mention that hes a psychologist to his patients which pretend to be interviewers for the sake of social experiments for the improvement of the patients mental state.
"Oh I see, you believe there are more than 2 genders eh? Well thats interesting. Please go ahead...
While he makes notes about his patients & benefits from studying the depths of human psyche XD
And soon enough all of his interviewers & people he lead a discussion with are currently sitting all in mental asylums in a "hug me tight west" to prevent them to be a danger to society.
We give our patients electroshocktherapy 3 times a day. With enough volts to make the internal temp of them 114°F so they are nicely medium rare lol.
Peterson is basically like Chris Hansen. He preys on potential mental asylum candidates & carries out his profession with elegance & expertise.
And thats why avoid talking to my psychologist cause I wouldnt want to traumatize him with my life stories. So he needs a therapist as well lol.
Jordan Peterson might be 1 of the smartest man in human history. And he is most certainly a very essential figure in the 21th century. His wisdom will shape the way for a brighter future.
Out of this stupid & lazy capitalistic maze & onto the path of wisdom & knowledge.
He inspired me to persue to study philosophy in the near future.
And he also inspired me to get into reading more books. Especially Dostojewski, George Orwell, Nietzsche & so forth. This man has inspired me to become a better person that solves problems with words rather than pointless violence. Its fascinating how much of an impact 1 single person can make on you. Mr Peterson also inspired me to spend more time on things I truly love in life & make me passionate & help me be 1 with myself.
I spend much more time on creating music, writting poetry or doing art in general.
All it takes is reading 1 inspiring quote by a wise person & it gets me through the day with a smile.
I appreciate the little things in life. I focus on the important things not if I have the newest I phone or other trivial stuff.
Also being surrounded by nature is also quite therapeutic. Someday I want to leave our fast paced society behind & move perhaps to scandinavia with my family. Just somewhere surrounded by nature in a small cabin. Planting crops, raising animals, & trying to sustain ourselves with our own produce & what not as possible.
I feel like the less time I spend online the happier I am. Because there is so many to do that can improve your entire outlook on life. Working out, having a balanced diet, meditating etc
All it takes is a step into another direction & you can be so much more happy in life.
Just love yourself thats all you can do. And eventually that reflection of love will hit someone else.
And make your love shine onto another & you will be happy.
I want to share a song with anyone that might be interested to clear up his mind from all the impurities. Check out Padmasana by Buckethead. A really life altering track.
Peace
Great conversation
He’s so much smarter than I am, I’m addicted to watching him
You wouldn't be addicted to watching him if you were indeed, smart.
@@Smorss2011 yeah I realize now how much bullshit he spews from his mouth, I still think that he's a great psychologist, but I disagree with his philosophy on just about everything now. he does genuinely seem smart but I can't see past all the manipulative crap he says, regardless this video and the other ones I watched helped form my own opinion on things which turned my view against him haha
This talk was awesome! Both Dr. Peterson and Joe Rogan opinions and thoughts were very interesting to hear. An intelligent, calm and captivating conversation.
5:40 Joe uses "elitest" in an academicly astute way.
5:46 Jordon reasures Joe he, for sure ,nailed his statement, and conveyed it's context well.
I wish I could of listened to Jordan and Joe talk my whole life.
Regulating based on personality and mentality sounds pretty interesting. Design a cohesive and efficient grouping.
People like him must be protected at all costs. We need some rationality from time to time in this delusional time