When did Ahsoka TRAIN Sabine & Why Was She SO WEAK!
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If you listen carefully to Huyang's lecture, he was actually challenging her. Given Sabine's personality, it would not sit well to tell her she lacked ability. Her insides would be broiling, "Oh yeah? I will show you." Huyang comes across as a very wise robot and knows how to push human's buttons. He also said next, "When are you going to resume your training?"
As far as her force sensitivity or lack , it's because she is so Mandalorian - Paraphasing from Kanan. It blocks her from the force. There is a reason that there has only ever been one Mandalorien Jedi.
Her lingering past trauma her emotions and that she's a stubborn Mando are probably together the reasons holding her back.
She should have fought her using her Mandalorian skills rather than a light saber.
@@deanfirnatine7814Someone should ask Dave why Sabine made that choice.
"A failed apprentice makes for a foolish master" -Dooku. Ahsoka is more like Anakin than she'd like to admit. Great fighter, terrible with discipline or emotional support.
I don't think she would have a problem with being similar to skyguy
Patience is a learned skill, just like Lightsaber combat.
Anakins teachings saved her life and allowed her to live on and create a new start to a jedi order. Shin is stronger than Sabine due to the fact she had a real jedi knight/master in Baylin. To where ashoka is neither a knight or a true jedi master by tradition.
@@lucianmccloud7652 : Agreed, However I was talking about Sabine not Ashoka.
@@petermarchi1935 apologies,with Sabine even kenaan had trouble with her. not saying he was a full blown master, but we can easily speculate he would of became a jedi master traditionally. He was definitely more of a jedi master than ashoka imo, for he may of been young at the time of O66 he was instilled with many teaching from many masters of the time. Member kenaan mentioned she was closed off, she's also mandalorian which I think contradicts most of the Jedi teachings if not all of them. Probably explains why she in lack of better words is not a good padwan.
I keep reading about this, but a point that seems to be overlooked is that Sabine has completely cut herself off from being both a Mandalorian and a Jedi apprentice since Ezra left. Her armor is dust covered in a bag under a table along with her lightsaber. Her hair is long and unkept. This tells me that she has been living in a bubble of depression for years now. Then she is confronted with a battle hardened and Jedi trained apprentice in Shin who basically plays with her until dealing a blow that drops her.
I disagree that get long hair was unkept
One has been training longer and likely worked with her master from an early age. The other had inconsistent training and was out of practice
Also extremely weak in the force
More about talent Ezra didn't have that much time either.
@@dred9174 ezra at least got about 4ish years of consistent training. sabine maybe a year tied to two vary inconsistent masters over years difference in training periods.
shes not a jedi shes a mandalorian train to fight jedi. the fact that she even survived is a miracle
Sabine is a Mandalorian. She needs to fight AS a Mandalorian. She can get good with lightsaber techniques but she needs her equipments and armor. When Din fought Ahsoka he was able to stand up to her. Which goes to show that properly trained and equipped Mandalorians are capable of going toe to toe with Jedis at the level of Ahsoka.
Not to mention aside from Grogu, Ahsoka was the first force user Din ever met in his life, yet was able to hold his own against her in single combat without any trouble and even could’ve win the fight if he intended to kill her. While Sabine isn’t as experienced as Din, she was still a Mandalorian, yet was still bested by Shin Hati a someone with the equivalent of a Padawan (though I could imagine Baylan Skoll is implied to be a great teacher and Hati was no slouch, but I could imagine Din would’ve killed Shin if there was ever an encounter between them).
Kannan Jarrus already taught her how to use a Lightsaber in the Trials of the Dark Sabre episodes.
I don't get why training automatically makes her force sensitive in everyones eyes. Dooku trained Grievous, he wasn't force sensitive. Even Savage Oppress wasn't a force user, he was given force abilities through nightsister force magic. Believe it or not people can train in/study the force without actually being able to weild the force. I see people swinging around lightsabers all over tik tok, I don't assume they can force choke me through the screen like Vader.
Savage was force sensitive
@@aaronmoten953 I may have to rewatch but im pretty sure it was the nightsisters that gave him force sensitivity. I believe he deflated upon death as well. And hey, that may have been up to interpretation but that is what the comment section is for, right?
@@evilz365b5 he was already force sensitive they just buffed him up
@@evilz365b5Savage was force sensitive you can’t just give people force and he did not deflate like a tire. Please rewatch the show
Season 4 Episode 12 of rebels, its implied that Sabine has some force powers/is force sensitive.
"A Failed apprentice, makes for a foolish master!" -Count Dooku
*Mic drop*
Im suspecting and hoping the Sabine's connection to the force remains limited. Having her using full on force powers like force pushes or mind tricks would cheapen her character immensely. That said low level force abilities like improved reflexs, minor precognition, maybe even enhanced speed and strength on the othernl hand fit perfectly as im sure many Mandalorians have such low level force connections.
It makes me wounder about Tar Visla as well and if he was similarly situated in the force. It hinestly makes more sense than him being a full fledhed jedi, it would explain his leaving the jedi and explains whybthe Mandalorians accepted him as thier leader. If he was mind tricking people and throwing them around with his mind the Mandalorians would have see him as another jedi to be defeated. It also fits something yoda once said, a jedi only uses the force for defence, never attack. Being weak in the force fits that concept nicly. It also works with the Mandalorians philosophy on the use of Bescar, only for armor never for weapons, perhaps an idea Tar Visla brought back to mandalor from the jedi
Sabine fought a legit force user... she did relatively well for not having been training... Shin has been in survival mode and battle mode probably her whole damn life. Once Sabine Armors up with lightsaber in hand and adjusts her mindset shes going to shine.
I kinda got the impression that Shin was going easy on her for some reason, so Sabine holding her own for a bit is deceiving. Reminded me a bit with how Vader was toying with Reva.
@@alienrefugee51 No doubt, I saw Shin build an advantage as the fight went on. But for any non force user to remotely last as long as she did with a force user while being completely unprepared is a recipe for disaster. If Sabine wasnt in her rusty state and suited up (like Shin prepared for war) and wielding the Saber as a Mandalorian Jedi Killer then it would have been more of a fair duel.
@@alienrefugee51 Yeah I feel you, like Sabine hasn't earned that warriors death yet, not worth the time. Good observation fr
@@alienrefugee51 If easy on her was getting stabbed. Then imagine what full force would look like.
Because she’s a light saber welder without force sensitivity.
You do not need Jedi training to use a lightsaber. Plenty of Mandalorians prove that. On the contrary, given Sabine's temper, she might easily fall to the dark side. Temper-wise, she appears to be an Anakin 2.0. Guess it would be wise to leave he "force abilities" dorment and untrained.
I wonder whether it is not possible for Jedi to give lightsaber lessons without Jedi training.
I was wondering that.. so she has absolutely zero force sensitivity?
@@mikerzisu9508The force resides in all living beings but she isn't force sensitive. She's not strong enough and she never will be but that doesn't mean she can't wield a lightsaber. She is Mandalorian, weapons are her religion.
She had to loose the fight to ,get humility.. To learn.. Even Luke Skywalker lost a hand and then lost... We must learn from our losses is the point....
Wake up call 😂 forsure she probably never thought shed use a lightsaber in real combat
She has been out if practice for years remmeber what happened to obiwan when he first met vader its like when you dont go to the gym for a long time and suddenly you try lifting your usual set its to much you gotta build up to it
There's only so much one can do with little or no Force sensitivity. The most commonly cited non-Force user, General Grievous, had brain implants to enhance his senses and reaction times, as well as get the most out of his cyborg body. Even so, there was nothing he could do when Obi-Wan hit him with a Force Push (and if Obi-Wan had aimed it a little better he could have sent Grievous flying out of the hangar and into the pit). Shin was accepting a duel, but what if she wasn't in the mood? There are any number of things she could have done to kill Sabine without even touching her.
A Jedi must ALWAYS keep up with their training.
I feel to complete her Training Sabine should return to Mandalor and build Beskar outer pieces of her/Ezra’s lightsaber especially if he lets her keep it and chooses to construct a brand new one
I mean Huyang literally helped Padawans to construct their sabers for thousands of years. I'm sure they'll manage something, but I would love to see them go back to Illum and retrieve a crystal for Sabine.
@@davidnguyen6823Isn’t Ilum being turned into Starkiller Base at this point in the timeline, or has that not started yet?
Well she doesn’t have force powers. It is clearly explained in the show when she is at the hospital
The first lines on the video clearly tell us otherwise.
@@edenlopez1221 she is weak. Everyone has force ability but to minor levels. Hers are not anything special. Weakest ever for a padawan.
@@jbarber1016 She could be just like Chirrut... not able to use to force but have the force enhance his/her skills
@@jbarber1016 so she has force powers.
@@edenlopez1221 yes everyone has force powers in that universe. But they are negligible compared to someone who would be referred to as a force user.
1. Kanan said that everyone has the force in them and that something in her was blocking her abilities to use the force. Most likely all the trauma from what she's been through in her past. Like what the empire had her do and what it did to her people. She's got to find out what that is and once it's opened her force abilities could possibly get stronger.
2. She also may be like jacasta Nu who wasn't strong in the force but could and did battle with her light saber. She stood her own even being weak.
3. We all know that she has been trained to fight with a light saber even though she's out of practice and it's made her weak in it. but we also know that Sabine is a mandalorian and has been trained to use her heritage in it in battle to defeat those stronger in the force.
She's going to battle her again, we know from the trailer, and that she's called out for having no power during it. I think that's when she'll show everyone that she's stronger than what they all think.
She left, didn’t finish the training, and Sabine isn’t force sensitive. Same reason Djin Jarin was horrible fighting with the dark saber
But Sabine had no issue wielding the Dark saber.
@@jimlittle5769 I wouldn't necessarily say "NO" issue. She struggled emotionally pretty bad in the beginning and never wanted it in the first place. Even gave it up first chance she got, noble intent or not. That said I love Sabine and am interested in wether or not she will die in this series.
They should call this show rebels. Season five
Weak? tell that to Qui-Gon.
Thanks for making this. These questions have been bothering me since I first watched the episodes.
How can the current Ashoka episodes be 2 years after she appeared in Mando?
Did Morgan really sit in some temporary jail for 2 years before Ashoka interogated her and then she was put on the transport?
No, this picks up like right after that happened.
@@c.a.honeycutt5046 That was my reasoning too but I see loads of people saying it's after BOBF (which Jon fucked the timeline for saying Luke had Grogu for 2 years)
I blame the ones whom made that headdress. It supposed to look like from the cartoon series, and long from the front. And the character of Ahsoka is taller than Rosario Dawson.
agreed, Ahsoka's shortened le'ku is absolutely why sabine lost that fight...
It seemed to me that for some reason Shin Hati did not want to kill Sabine. She could target a bit higher and hit her in the chest or finish her off with a second hit. On the other hand, her stab could still be lethal, it seems to go through Sabine's liver. It looks a bit weird the way this duel ended, I dont know what to make out of it.
Those kind of wound should be lethal, we got used to see lightsabers and blasters being relatively good at 1 shoting opponents. Sabine had no armor, she shouldn’t be alive. I mean the plot obviously need Sabine to live so at least they could’ve made her lose the dual in a less dramatic way. Because by star wars standards that should’ve been lethal
If that wound happened to her in the rebels show she would have died.
Why is Sabine being trained at all?
honestly, good question. I think in the writing room it was one of a few natural directions after having her gain the darksaber, training with it, that training being cut short, then she gives up the darksaber, then loses her trainer (Kanan) only to be left with Ezra's saber after losing him too. I think they put all their chips on fan intrigue with the character and what comes next. Unfortunately that writing mentality usually leads to confusion and fatigue.
A Jedi in name, fighting skill, and philosophy, yet immune to the dark side
No idea disney woke agenda maybe
I think because she had possession of the Dark Saber at one time
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Why Sabine was so weak is simple, "If you learn any Martial Art, it becomes a reflex, however if you stop practicing you may remember the mechanics of the movement itself however you will lose the reflex reaction time!"
Sabine should be using her mandalorian weapons and tactics along with the lightsaber
I would not say she had a great training.
Firstly, Kanan? Kanan did not even get full training himself. He certainly never reached his full potential and it shows, because even the inquisitors were very challenging opponents to him.
He gradually became better at teaching, but I don't think he had the time to teach Sabine anything beyond the most rudimentary basics.
Ahsoka is a formidable duelist and powerful with the Force, but I don't think she would make a good teacher. She is too headstrong and impatient.
She didn’t have any of her mandalorian gear on her, she hasn’t kept up with her training….and she was fighting a trained force sensitive.
How in any world would you think she is weak here.
I agree with you. But mandos are trained to kill Jedi
@@nickjcirillo What they can only do WITH their armor.^^
@@nickjcirillo with their kit. Not but naked with a lightsaber. A human being isn’t going toe to toe with someone wielding the force like that. Mando or not.
@@butterflymage5623 don’t even think she was using the force, just straight dicked her in the 1v1 sword fight
@@nickjcirillo the force is more then using powers like force push though. It helps guide their strikes and blocks, it helps them read their opponents movements, it helps in so many ways that aren’t clearly apparent.
To force users dueling is 3d chess.
Her dueling Sabine without her armor or other weapons is the child play she made it look to be.
Okay Sabine NEGLECTED her training. Let us keep that in mind chiefly as we analyze her opponent: a Dark Jedi Padawan who probably has lived, breathed and slept training every day just to survive let alone what Baylan sets on her shoulders to continue to be worthy of following him and his teachings.
I also don't think people are watching the sequence, which shame on you when you asked for better lightsaber choreography and got it, and are not seeing she actually was able to blade bind, fend attacks and make some progress towards nearly clipping Shin. Hati was just better prepared and fortunately whatever kind of Dark Jedi sect she and Baylan are part of don't seem to resort to killing as a means of victory...the first time. I get the feeling they would only strike you down if you kept coming at them or interfered with their goals too much. Really quite a breath of fresh air as antagonists.
Also to any who say her skills with the Darksaber should provide some basis for Lightsaber combat and she should remember those: remember how that thing works. It's always pulling on you and remains heavy. Lightsabers don't do this. Ergo some skills with the Darksaber won't transfer over easily. Some drills are not applicable entirely because of how weightless a lightsaber hilt is. It's often stated in both canon and legends how this is why ordinary person struggles with a lightsaber. After years of neglected training you can atrophy skills and on top of learning how to use a lightsaber in comparison with the Darksaber it's more than feasible she needs time to adjust. Especially against people who have been training almost their entire lives and built their sabers to suit them.
Which I would be remiss if I didn't say this: using a lightsaber not built for you has always lead to some difficulty and hardship in mastering it. Luke and Rey being the only two shown in canon to weild somebody else's lightsaber with ease though hers is psychometry based and Luke was just destined to use the blade. Read any book in legends and you see see many NJO members talk about why it's important to make your own blade. Hopefully Sabine will be the second Mando Jedi to make a unique weapon that suits her own style. Maybe somethign that balances the weight of the Darksaber's construction with with artful spirit. I would love to see a two toned blade or something like we had in the MMO as it would just suit her so well.
And with the Darksaber destroyed, the door has been opened for a new Mandalorian lightsaber to emerge.
Thank you sir for confirming what I was thinking. Although done mildy.
A Jedi teaching a non force user to fight is like Superman teaching a human to lift weights.
Trained doesn't mean force user
Stronger than Gui Gon! 😜
Was thinking the same....its bs
...she's no Jedi !
Well, there’s a combination of things at play here:
1. Her training with Kanan was stopped before she could fully complete it, so I think Sabine was never elevated high enough.
2. She isn’t as strong in the Force compared to Ezra to begin with, so perhaps she was in too low of a league.
3. I think there’s also her story coming into play here. A Generation Tech video released earlier today just talked about Sabine, her story, what her character is about, and how it could tie into the Ashoka series. I believe that her duel against Shin is the start of her finishing her character arc that was first introduced in Rebels.
Sabine was never force sensitive. She was just trained in Rebels how to fight with a lightsaber to be able handle the dark lightsaber of the Mandalorians. That´s it.
She wasn't wearing her mandalorian armor and the tools.
Why is Sabine being trained by Ahsoka? She left the Jedi Order a long time ago and claims to no longer be Jedi. Therefore, she CANNOT be a master or have a Padawan. What's the purpose?
So they're trying to imply Sabine is force sensitive?
The story is lame and predictable, and the series was overhyped and has underperformed.
Also, Ashley's portrayal of the character was much more vivacious.
Ahsoka currently is more stoic and somber.
Sabine never had the force. She did have the dark saber and ezras light saber. She was training to be able to use it. She's Mandalorian...
Well the training stuff also happend with kanan..
But when lives are at stake she can be an apprentice ig
This will be interesting indeed, my friend
It is a weak retcon. All a force user needs to do against Sabine is force choke her 😂
Somehow the fact that the Mandalorians used to fight Jedi without using the Force seems to have been forgotten.
This could go in a nice unique direction. Sabine is a mandalorian. Since she has a weak connection to the force, she would likely rely more on her mandalorian skills. But with her force training, she could expand those skills beyond your typical mandalorian.
People forget that everyone in the galaxy is force sensitive, it's just that the majority can't move its flow like a Jedi and defy the normal laws of nature except for some just under the Jedi threshold who appear extremely lucky because of their connection.
Sabine is around the threshold of unprobably lucky and Jedi magic.
One key to Jedi duels is that they must create a force bubble around themselves that protects them from their opponent’s force abilities (such as Force push or mind control). Without a strong connection to The Force Sabine would not have that advantage.
Sabine is like finn. They use the lightsaber without the force.
I think the scene at the end of Rebels finale were Ahsoka appeared before Sabine was the start of her training with Ahsoka. But things didn't go well and the two went their separate ways only to be drawn back together again at the start of Ahsoka series.
Better question who will care once this Disney + series ends?... guessing not many.
to be fair sabine did put up a good fight and lasted longer than i thought she would but the problem is she hasn’t been keeping up with her training and she’s not as strong as shin because sabine only trained with ahsoka for a short time so she’s not experienced
This^ to be fair Sabine was kind of a know it all kid and Ahsoka doesn’t stand for that kind of mentality she’s you need to show up for work and you gonna work. Ahsoka didn’t get to where she is because she snide remarked her way through jedi school oh hell no she put in the W O RK! There was the Jedi ringer that they went through and then there was ani’s school of hard knocks. Being that he had 20 plus clones surrounding her and he made her practice until she wasn’t touched by a blaster shot. When she started she would be knocked out for minutes. Then he would say “again”. It was hard work but she put in the practice. That’s why Ahsoka says “she needs to want it by saying she’s ready. Also I don’t think Sabine is weak she put up the best fight a person with out the force could put up against a real “not jedi padawan”. Shin is no slouch. Honestly I think Shin went into that fight over confident that she was going to steam roll and Sabine put on a decent defense. You have to remember that young Luke skywalkers and mace windu’s aren’t exactly rolling into classes anymore this current timeline you have whatever is at your disposal. Sabine is not an ideal candidate but you can do much worse. Sabine could be like a Batman so to speak. He is a super hero that doesn’t have super powers Per se but he has great natural abilities. Sabine being a mandelorian has a tech background and expert in explosives she is more than adept with blades. She also has beskar armor. Honestly I think if Ahsoka is as smart as I think she is she could mold Sabine into a pretty badass unorthodox jedi.
As someone who hasn’t watched the series yet, I find it surprising that they’d give sabine a wound from a lightsaber that is known to kill others very easily. I understand that it’s meant to show she can’t just wield a lightsaber as a non force sensitive… But if she got that wound in the rebels series that most likely would’ve been her death.
Sabine could be seen as being trained by Skywalker, Kenobi or even Yoda through Tano,as almost all Jedi had training with Yoda at some level. For example Yoda trained Dooku who trained Qui-Gon who trained Kenobi who trained Skywalker who trained Tano. Tano took what she collectively had gathered from Yoda(who trained her in her youth),from Skywalker (who trained her in her teens) and from Kenobi(who she had fought along side in the Clone Wars) to try to pass down to Sabine. The problem is what teacher Tano tried to play off as, which is the rough and tough type displayed in the show.
She should have never been force sensitive I liked it better thinking she was just a mandalorian with lightsaber skills like pre viszla
Since when was sabine force sensative
That’s what I want to know
She’s not
She isn’t. The show clearly explained this.
again... Grievous
@@evilz365b5 greivuous was a trained assassin to kill Jedi
I guess because Maul got cut in half and still survived, we now can no longer assume someone impaled is dead. Unless they lose their head then Star Wars can always bring them back.
I think the answer is simple. Sabine is not training to be a Jedi nor is Ahsoka expecting her to be one. Sabine is not force sensitive so she will never be a Jedi. She is a Mandalorian warrior who is an artist and super tech-savvy. She was part of a rebel team and 3 of her close friends just happened to be strong in the force; because she found the dark saber they took it upon themselves to teach her how to use it. No force pushes or chokes. No meditation, just how to use the dark Sabe and a lightsaber. Ahsoka is not a Jedi and is not operating within Jedi code. So Sabine knows how to handle herself with a lightsaber and that's it! She will never be able to defeat a true Jedi...but as a Mandalorian she can handle herself against most anyone.
Sabine was never force sensitive. She was just trained in Rebels how to fight with a lightsaber to be able to handle the dark lightsaber of the Mandalorians which she handed over to BoKatan later (as a gift). That´s it.
She's called a Padawan, that's the problem. Wish they just kept her as a saber combat learner.
@@KyradrinThat doesn´t mean anything. Padawan can also just mean student. On top of that, Ashoka didn´t want to train Grogu, because he had to much going on emotionally (close connection to Mando etc.). The same we can say about Sabine and Ezra (feeling of the lost of him and the feel of failing etc. -> it´s the way to the dark side).
@@FrancisJoaPadawan is a Jedi student. If they didn't want to give us the notion that this had anything to do with Jedi teachings nor force sensitivity, then they should've used a completely different term that is not associated with it.
@@Kyradrin You don´t get it. Ashoka could call her Padawan just as a joke because Sabine called her Master before. Fact is Ashoka wouldn´t train somebody in the force when this person is already too old and full of emotional chaos like Sabine is, because that leads to the dark side (like Ashoka said in the Mandalorian series). Sabine couldn´t even feel the robots coming at her house before she had the fight with the other force sensitive girl.
Sabine is just trained in laser sword martial arts and that is it.
@@FrancisJoa It seems deeper than that, it's hinted deeper than that. The whole convo with Hera about Master and Apprentice, etc, hints to a Master and Padawan relationship. Seems deeper than just learning saber techniques to me, and a lot of other people. I agree it would be strange that Sabine is undergoing Jedi training, that's where the problem is.
That saber fight was so horrific they need better choreography
Shin Hati's saber stab thru the liver should have been almost instantly fatal, because it would have burned a large hole thru all the lobes of Sabine's liver and obliterated the artery/vascular structure in the center of it. Even if she somehow survived without bleeding out in mere seconds, the sheer agony and extreme shock would kill her outright. Consider - rlite MMA fighters able to withstand mindboggling punishment invariably collapse instantly when they get a solid punch or kick to the liver (Bas Rutten was notorious for specializing in liver strikes) - consider how much worse it'd be having a 2" diameter plasma torch burn a huge hole through the middle of the same region. There is NO WAY she could have survived long enough to make it to a bacta tank, even if it was right next to her with a full medical team poised for action.
Ahsoka just can't train well.
did you notice that her lightsaber stab was just below her right rib but when she is recovering in bed she shows it was much lower than that
Weak? She survived being impaled by a lightsaber
And probably Sabine lives for 5 years or so in the observation-tower without training or fights. Figthing as a Jedi or Mandalorian is like a sport - if you out of training you are just able to do the basics.
She hadn’t held a friggin lightsaber in years. The other girl was killing mf that same week
A fatal blow like a lightsaber to the chest....
Sabine isn’t weak. She’s Mandalorian.
It may also be difficult for Ahsoka to train Sabine in the ways of the force because Ahsoka didn't complete her training and just muddle through all this time until perhaps now if she is able to commune with her master, also Sabine may only be the slightest bit to barely force-sensitive she is a descendant of the only Mandalorian jedi, remember most living beings in the star wars universe have little to almost no force-sensitivity rather fewer have high force-sensitivity and there may be less than a thousand of these remaining scatter throughout the star wars galaxy
I don't even think she is force sensitive. I understood why Kanin trained her to use the darksaber, but not why Ahsoka trained her.
I think Sabine is weak because she is not believing in herself and is still frustrated about not being able to help Esra and losing him.
Also she's not strong with the force, if she can feel the force at all. So it's no wonder she loses against a well trained force sensitive Shin.
Shin could've killed her. But I don't think that was her intention, otherwise she would have done it. She had all time in the world to cut Sabine in half instead of pulling her lightsaber out of her. It seems Baylan and Shin have different goals than bringing Thrawn and the Empire back and are not fully on the dark side, just selfish I guess...
She hasn't picked up a saber in years.
I know she'll probably get stronger in the force (depending on how disney wants to portray it) but I'm kinda excited too see someone who is lacking strong force abilities become a badass jedi
It would be cool if at some point in the show Anakin showed up as a force ghost to help Ahsoka train Sabine while making things right with his former apprentice.
05:10 "How did you lose so-so bad." I have to disagree. Her loss is comparable to Obi-Wan being defeated by Dooku on Genosis. A bit of time in med-bay and right as rain. Most other people who go up against a lightsaber lose limb, head, or life. I can only imagine that despite what we see in the movies that lightsaber combat is over brutally quickly. That the reason why fights in the movies and shows last minutes is the focus on defense by the participants because if one blow gets through you lose. So Sabine holding Shin at bay for almost 2 minutes of screen time (and similar amount off screen) is a testament to how actually competent she is. Being rusty and less strong in the Force than ordinary Jedi explains the rest.
Its called foreshadowing. She's going to have magnificent force powers later. That and fighting skills are perishable
she lost for not wearing her mandalorian armour and weapons. thats all
Because she has a failed master, simple as that
I was hoping she would rely more on her Mandalorian fighting style and weapons.
It may have been how she fought off the droids, but if the lightsaber and armor were both in storage, she would be out of combat practice in general
They talk about Anakin, Ahsoka to Sabine lineage but not Mace, Depboloba, Kanan, Ezra to Sabine.
I don’t understand why after stabbing someone with a lightsaber, they pull it straight out instead of going sideways
The end scene of rebels takes place post Endor right? Sabine stayed to defend Lothal, that’s why she wasn’t in rogue one, as for ahsoka she had to find her way out of the Sith super weapon even after the world between worlds. And presumably didn’t show back up till she that scene at the very end of rebels (where she looked very Gandalf the White).
I was a tad disappointed because the trailers made it seem like it was picking up exactly where rebels ended, but then I found out that the whole “it’s time to bring Ezra home” adventure happened and failed
They were always going to go searching for Ezra.
My favorite part is where she just holds her arms up without striking while her enemy stands right in front of her with the saber stabbing her.
As others have said Sabine isnt a force user. While we dont know the extent of her force abilities everyone has acess too the force for instance look at rogue one. Either way she was trained in the way of the jedi but never got close to completing her training if you look at her she is fearful and angery she uses her emotions in rebels too when training with kanan she isnt ready yet regardless of force ability.
And that means she also come from the line of obi-wan, qui-gon, dooku and yoda 😮
I honestly hope Sabine *isn't* force-sensitive, it would be a wasted opportunity for this show to not explore Sabine becoming like Chirrut Imue, with the force moving around her and guiding her, but the connection not being direct. I like that angle much more than the caveat "oh Shes force sensitive now!"
Everyone in the galaxy is force sensitive, it's just that most people are weak in it and Sabine is one of them.
The bigger question is WHY would Ahsoka train Sabine when it was NEVER seen NOR explained in the series finale of Rebels or any other canon Star Wars material in the history of ever?!?
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Well apparently you only need three days now in cannon. Could have been anytime
Because many fans would complain if she was any stronger, exclaiming "Mary Sue"?
Sabine has only fought another Mandalorian in lightsaber combat. Shin Hati is has true force abilities which gives her a tremendous edge over Sabine in lightsaber combat. Pre Visla, a formidable Mandalorian faction leader, in full combat gear with the darksaber lost to Darth Maul. Revan defeated Mandalore. Obviously, a fully trained force user has the advantage over someone with minor or no force abilities. The only way Sabine wins over Shin is by Shin making a mistake or Sabine increasing dormant force abilities.
Din nearly came close to defeating Ahsoka when they first met and she was the first force sensitive he encountered aside from Grogu.
So now she has the force when she didn't in rebels just was mandalorian
Sabine's training began with the dark saber...if she has force abilities, they manifest through her emotions this becomes problematic... She was able to beat canan durring training through chaneling her anger and self-loathing...its the curse in her hot mando blood it makes mandos better sith than jedi.
Righteous balanced justified anger is her strength. And likely the strength of all mandalorian force users.
More importantly, why is the wound in a different place scene to scene?
I think her being able to use some of the more interesting force abilities would cause her character to lose something. But I’m cool with her having force abilities that enhance physical abilities such as speed, strength, reflexes, ect. Those would be more suited to her culture, and foundation she grew up in.
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Qui-Gon Jinn was not weak by any means, Still got ran through...Shin likely just has had more training and a better duelist.
Sabine pose be a Mando, not that I care because this is just a reason for them to her two women as master and appreciate. Another Rey here we go, oh wait just like Leia Skywalker she was also trained at a later time that we don't know of or heard of.
Kanan Jarrus was not that great of a Jedi. He lost his Master as a Padawan and never finished his training.
Yes, he managed to beat the Grand Inquisitor (though some debate over if he did/would have tapped into the Dark Side to do so), but even the Grand Inquisitor was well past his prime.
As it is stated by Vader and Palps, the Inquisitors are mediocre at best and of no threat or concern to the pair of Sith as they simply are not strong enough.
In short it is like a low C tier and a high C tier force user fighting it out.
Sabine's training from Kanan would not have provided much as he and Ezra focused on 'staying alive' as opposed to effectively beating their opponents in most encounters.
As for Ahsoka, well, as we see she did try to live the peaceful life after the Jedi. Even if she failed at that more than once. It is implied, a decent amount, that Ahsoka has never trained anyone before beyond that of possibly younglings.
Sabine would be Ahsoka's first real 'apprentice' in a sense and Ahsoka lacks the experience in training others.
In the Clone Wars TV show we saw that Anakin has the same issue at first as he simply DOES NOT KNOW HOW to train Ahsoka probably and decides that 'trial by fire' is the best method. As well as allowing the Clones to help as well as tips from his former master, Obi-Wan.
The closest luxury that Ahsoka could have to having an Obi-Wan to train Sabine would be trying to find and convince Luke to help.
Not everyone can teach.
I mean do we need to have a timeline for anything that wasn't on screen. I am old-school Star Wars fan so when Luke comes to see Yoda and Yoda says you already know everything you need ok cool.
And she wasn't force sensitive in rebels, no wait Jocasta nu Jedi librarian was said to be stronger in the force and yet we know her to be very weak with the force
sabine too strong and independent