Sabine Wren: Surrounded By Death
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- čas přidán 22. 08. 2023
- Sabine Wren might seem like your typical purple haired punk, but beneath her rebellious exterior, is an extremely complicated person. Who perhaps has some of the worst luck in Star Wars history. No matter how hard she tries to do the right thing, Sabine Wren constantly finds herself surrounded by death and destruction.
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Sabine Wren: *getting bad luck of watching her friends suffer whenever she's around*
Qrow Branwen: "Mood Kindred. Here, have a drink. You'll need it."
At least Sabine has hope
Was not expecting a RWBY reference but excellent parallel there.
I loved this comment. If I had the art skills I would make a RWBYxStar Wars fan comic
AHHHHHHHJ RWBYYYYYYYY
@@MichaelV118 Definitely would be awesome to see and way better than the Justice League thing they did.
I thought what Ahsoka meant by "What if the right actions have the wrong consequences" was in reference to Anakin and her not finishing her training and her walking away from the Jedi order, and how the consequence of her walking away was Anakin turning to the Dark Side and shit hit the fan.
I think it is but also applies to sabine in this case :)
I think Sabine is going to suffer with more guilt later in Ahsoka. I imagine that Ahsoka is going to try and destroy Elsbeths ship and the map ensuring Thrawn stays stranded but Sabine is going to want to save Ezra. Sabine might be responsible for Thrawn's return and the war that will entails.
You called it (besides, if she tried to destroy the map it would’ve failed and just die right there so good instincts)
This comment aged really well...
@@ella_dj04 it made sense they would do something like this. In the trailer when Sabine strokes the mural they play Ahsoka saying "we have to do what is right, regardless of our personal feelings". The second they revealed the map plot i was pretty certain Sabine would give it to the bad guys. Its a shame my Marrok theory went up in smoke though 🤣.
I really was loving the villains. Felt like I was rooting for them the moment they showed up
Honestly for not directly being Sith. They really had all of the presence on screen that the Sith carry. Was great to see.
the Dark Jedi apprentice is hot.
Baylan Skoll is pretty interesting, he feels like a dark Jedi. Seems like he believes he’s following a noble purpose but is willing to do bad things to achieve his goals
@@andrewmaderer1989 I really thought they'd be the lost sith tribe with aboloth (or however it's spelled) from the old books.
But I excited to see what they really are now.
I love the idea of a surviving Jedi who didn't keep trying to "fight the good fight" but also didn't get snatched up by the Empire / Inquisitorius
This video helped make sense of Sabine's characterization in Ahsoka. At first it seemed out of character for her to blow off the ceremony, but she really has a lot of PTSD from the rebellion and loss of Ezra and Kanan. Also she has felt unworthy since making the weapon for the Imperial Academy. I am actually enjoying the show and excited to see where it goes.
Sabine is basically non force Darth Nilhus.
Thats a insult to how cool Nilhus is Sabine is nothing but a insult to mandolorans
But she does have the force
@@dwnkaomwn3953 edgy rebel who betrayed her own people LOST the darksaber and doomed her people
@@Tendon-Cobar-2347 That sounds more like pre-Mando-S3 Bo-Katan TBH
@@andyb1653 they're both the same Sabine lost the saber too and put her own benefits and personal options over the Clan she is part to blame for the destruction of mandolor as Klan Krize is.
Plato wrote ....
"Only the dead have seen the end of war"
In essence meaning, For those who survive war.
There is no end, it haunts you, as long as you live.
I love that Filoni isn’t just making Sabine have random force sensitivity in the new show. It’s way more interesting to see someone who has practically no force abilities train as a Jedi. I’ve always thought Sabine had mild sensitivity kinda like Han Solo and Finn, and I hope Filoni keeps it that way.
It makes sense. It never figured to me that The Force was an either/or thing if it's based on your midiclorian count. Some have no connection with The Force at all, some become great Force wielders, but there has to be the middle who have SOME sensitivity, like a 6th sense, but would never become anything great and otherwise their connection goes completely unnoticed.
I want to believe it pulling from an older lore, anyone can be a Jedi, can learn to channel the force if they learn to listen.
@@Jtilden23Exactly, it reminds of how KOTOR 2 handled it and it's great. The idea that anyone can become a Jedi and use the Force through training and discipline is infinitely more preferable than the weird eugenics bullshit introduced by the midichlorions and prequels
Yeah, she has her anti-jedi Mandalorian techniques, hopefully this is the direction they lean.
It wouldn't have to be a reason to have her be partially force sensitive, beneath all that Mandalorian emotion. It has been mentioned before that she needs to let shit go to be better with her darksaber/lightsaber skills.
It's so stupid because there are no hints of it at all in 4 seasons of rebels
2:31 Nice Job Breaking It, Hero trope in a nutshell.
Saben is like the reverse of Chopper as where Chopper loves and craves destruction Saben fears it.
Sabine remaining as a tragic figure is the right choice. It's not "good" for her, but it gives her suffering (and the suffering she imparts on everyone around herself) meaning. There is always hope, and the people around her can always find hope despite her presence. She can always hope for better despite things rarely turning out well for her. It's harsh, and wildly unfair, but so is life.
Sabine loves Erza but is afraid to tell him how she feels because everyone she loves has a tendency to die before she can tell them.
Ship SHIIIIIIIIIP!
But he said on hologram that she is like a sister for him 🤔
@@simmysims9209 And. . .so what? You think Mandalorian’s and Jedi can’t be incestuous too? To imply Ezra couldn’t desire his big sister sexually is just racist! It’s life forms like you that give the New Republic a bad name.
@@simmysims9209it's Star Wars, didn't stop luke & leia
@@shady83 I found this funnier than I should have LOL
Man I was expecting some kind of half-assed negative review but this was absolutely fantastic and well thought out, gave me a new perspective on Sabine, you’ve got a new sub
Alan always delivers entertaining videos with W takes
7:44 Damn, Kanan Jarrus is savage there.
intentionally so. he wanted her to get the truth of her chest. he wanted her to allow herself to say it. to get it of her, so they can help her carry it. it was actually a really powerful scene
I loved Kanan 😢
It was so hard for me to focus on Sabine's initial scene as all I could think was "E-Wings are canon!"😁
LOL I laughed at this way to much! But truth!
I really love how the rebel's mandos really love the whole boxy glock aesthetic. At least we can dream on how a glock PCC would have looked like IRL.
The duchess aka the arc pulse generator.
If you think about it for a moment, it's ironic that sabine named the most dangerous weapon to the mandalorians, after the most peaceful woman on mandalore.
I reckon that Sabine intended for “The Dutchess” to simply pacify terrorists, but then the Imperials increased the power level to be more lethal than originally intended.
@@manofmercy1500 perhaps.
@@manofmercy1500 *Damn.* So basically, Sabine is Space Oppenheimer. *Sucks to be her...* 😢
Y'know, watching this show as it came out when I was in middle school, it really didn't click in my head a lot of what was being brought up in the video. I just saw the normal action you expect in Star Wars and even media in general (scaled to the technology of the universe). It is really interesting looking back and actually having everything in connect that "Oh, this character was really feeling everything she was doing, it actually had a lasting affect on her."
Anyone else get the sense that the Eye of Sion ring ship is an adaption of Outbound Flight? Especially since Batman seems like a potential stand in for Joruus C’Baoth.
Batman?
headcanon accepted for the memes. he is now batman
Poor Sabine. She's a favorite character of mine & one of the most tragic in Star Wars. Hopefully she finds some peace in this series.
ngl to me it feels like when they were writing her for this show the only thing they remembered was her sassiness and stubborness and nothing else, which is disappointing considering in rebels she often was the reasonable and realistic one in situations and didnt react this way even when she had her own struggles towards the end of the show, now it just feels like she has daddy issues or something and just happens to have the abilities needed to solve a problem but doesnt have the qualities to match it. though theres still much more to the show so i shouldnt speak yet but its definitely very disappointing so far, really hope it resolves itself in a good way later on
@@upisntdownsilly How many episodes of Rebels did you watch after she lost Ezra? Let me help you out, the answer is zero.
How many episodes did we see with her trying to find a way to recover Ezra with Ahsoka and training as her apprentice? I'll help you out again. Zero.
How many episodes did we see with Ahsoka leaving her because Sabine lost faith and her trauma and self-doubt took over? Gonna make this real easy for you, it's zero again.
Character development and change is important. I'm pretty sure Dave knows that. Doesn't appear you do, but at least Dave does.
@@upisntdownsilly I'm pretty sure canonically she has mommy issues, but go off. Also we haven't seen Sabine for the last 5-6 years so a lot could have changed.
And this is why i'm so glad they're taking the time to explore her character more and take us on this journey with her. She's complicated for good reason and I adore her.
Couldn’t agree more on “rebels 2.0”. It just feels like the next season of rebels, but live action
I hate how they did Sabine in this.
Admittedly, I think all of the rebels characters including Asoka have been dumbed down to the point where they’re too stupid to even realize what they’re holding is a round Rubiks cube and could easily be solved after putting it under a scanner for five seconds to see that it turns, but Sabine is this immature child YEARS after the rebellion.
Andor was the proof that Star Wars can have adults that make adult decisions. This show portrays adults as people who still need babysitters
I kinda hate how getting stabbed with a lightsaber is now something survivable when it used to be an insta-kill
I can definitely explain this
@@zcorpalpha2462many people can; doesn't mean it isn't an unfortunate loss of drama with actual death
@@ClericOfPholtus True
I feel they got quick medical care
Admittedly she was stabbed off to the side while most lightsaber stabs we see are both centered and much higher up. A wound like that is survivable in the place she was stabbed, but not if you are hit where most Star Wars deaths are at even with irl weapons.
Well a lightsaber is just a futuristic, long blade sword, people nitpick about stab wounds, not killing a person with a lightsaber when realistically, it’s all about where you stab them, slicing is the same way, depending on how deep you cut, you could cut vital organs you won’t have to worry from bleeding out since they cauterize the the wounds but a stabbing in vital areas will kill you
Sabine's story and journey is what makes her my favorite Mandalorian and one of my favorite Star Wars characters. You can tell Filoni has handled her very carefully from the start, from showing her mysterious trust issues at the start of Rebels to us finally finding out her backstory during her outburst while training with Kanan. Sabine has done terrible things, and those terrible things weigh heavily on her. You're right that she very easily could have turned into a monster after everything she's been through. And yet she didn't. And I think we have the Ghost Crew, and now Ahsoka, to thank for that. Her adoptive family who supports her and gives her guidance along the way so that she can stay in the light instead of falling into the chaos that her mind pulls her towards. I am incredibly happy that Sabine is a central character in Ahsoka and that we're gonna continue to see growth in her in this series.
I enjoyed these episodes a lot and i was shocked at the last scene of ep1. Shocked. I hope her curse isnt lethal.... and im glad its star wars time as well
Great to have the ghost crew back
but man it sucks not having kanan,
ezra and zebb
We did get to see Zeb in the Mandalorian.
kanan is dead.
Oh honestly, i think we will get a cameo. Maybe he'll be at the major space meeting with the New Republic?
@@danamoral3666 no shit, dude
relax fam this is disney. "somehow kanan has returned" will be easy
Sabine can now add war criminal to her resume, right below Jedi, scientist, engineer, weapons expert, pilot, artist, parkour athlete, hair stylist and all round hottie
Has anyone else noticed that Balon’s shuttle is the same as the one Palpitine uses in season 5 episode “the lawless” in Clone Wars?
It's an old Jedi shuttle, we see them plenty of times throughout the Clone Wars show. The most amount of screen time it got iirc was the Mortis arc since that was the shuttle Anakin, Obi-Wan and Ahsoka were using to get off world
2:20 well, she is a mandalorian, during the age where her planet was under siege, lets not forget that
she had a legitimate bone to pick with the empire. her only luck was running into spectre. if not she probably would have turned out more like a saw guerera
GOD I'm so glad she met Phoenix Squadron instead of that guy! 💀
one thing I've noticed in the soundtrack of Ahsoka. they use the Motif from Sabines Catharsis for moments involving her
I've noticed it too, and it makes me emotional every time. Those four notes are haunting
Hera was like the mother figure of Spectre, and she still seems like that. She says Sabine would benefit from structure.
@zordusthedeathsong I understand, I think. The characters of Rebels initially were archetypes of TV writing, with Hera being the mother-figure. At first Sabine was the woman that Ezra crushed on, and then she developed from there. She had to change because a show is not allowed to have that as an archetype any more (ya know). GT says, "while Ezra, Ahsoka and even Hera Syndulla had their own character arcs, ... Sabine Wren never grew." It helps to review what was Hera's character arc, her back story, et cetera. That is in part related to her archetype role as the "mother" of the "gang" in Rebels. That archetype is still tolerated (wink) so Hera's arc was allowed to be simpler.
And also Ahsoka.
Both character have a similar background, Ahsoka was a Child Soldier, she left the jedi order, not only for their betrayal towards her, also for what the jedi Order had become in the clone wars, some kind of inergalactic NATO. She feels deeply guilty for the fall of Anakin in the Dark side. That at the same time the Anakin's fate have huge implications in the fall of the own jedi order, as the rise of Palpatine and the empire.
And both are in similar personal situation now. One is stuck in Lothal, alone, one time the Ghost Crew has disappeared wittout a clearly purpose, the other also alone but like a wanderer or a ronin.
The biggets differences between the two, are in the approach or perspective, one is jedi, the other mandalorian. Practically oppositte, similar to jedi with the sith. But also the two grew up with connections or atachments to this kind of opposite side. Sabine with Ezra and Kanan, Ahsoka with Bo Katan and Satine Kryze.
Wonder if her subordinates in the New Republic / Rebellion ever accidentally call her "mom"
Structure??? Is Sabine like 30 ? You mean a 30 year old doesn’t have any maturity and structure and she’s a commander 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@Funboi68 She would be in her 20's. And I know 26 and 27 year olds that have no idea what they are doing with their life.
As for the military aspect. I served for 22 years, I can tell you that being a Commander or even a Captain does not translate into maturity and structure. At this point. Sabine is like an inactive reservist that has experienced trauma from war. She has isolated herself on Lothal to protect Lothal because she promised Ezra. She watched Ezra leave thinking he is dead, and you think she is supposed to be all hunky dory? You are delusional. As for the structure, Hera is thinking that Sabine needs to find a purpose and a reason to focus. At this point she has lost hope that Ezra is coming home and after she lost her family on Mandalore and lost her people shortly after that, do you think she's very trusting? Do you think that she is at a point in her life where she just sees every opportunity as a glass half full? Again, you must be delusional.
Gotta say I'm loving this, especially cause Rebels turned out to have my favorite set of characters and stuff going on especially when I did finally see it, (I mean, Andor is greatness and so was Rogue One in its way, but as an ensemble....) So far casting seems on point, though it's a little harder to recognize Hera so far, maybe she mellowed, but I always expected a bit more of her sharpness of wit and even tone of voice there. Maybe the banter will be back as we go. :)
After episode 4, this video essay is interesting.
They've done a good job of her in the show.
I'm pleased.
What are you smoking it's like making Han solo be a jedi all of a sudden
@@dandino8100 Not really. She's a "Padawan" in name only, but Sabine doesn't have a strong Force sensitivity.
So she might benefit from increasing her reflexes or combat techniques, but it's not like she's gonna start Force pushing or predicting incoming danger or anything.
But hey! Any help is welcome! Better than just staying as she is now, cause a badass Mandalorian warrior she may be, we all saw how Shin basically folded her! Girl needs to improve A LOT!
@MrDibara exactly my point now han solo can be a jedi to improve his reflexes it's stupid
A smart move to fight that Shin with a saber.
She's not a Jedi but she is skilled and able to defend herself. All she needed to do was give her pause. She had already called for back-up. It all made sense to me.
Not sure that's relevant.
I just saw the first two episodes and....well, they were very good, except perhaps the "red shirt army" mentality of New Republic forces. I was glad they resurrected the Witches of Dathomir. Now I'm waiting for Zebb, just bcz he could help Sabine with "survivor's guilt", given that probabilly she blame herself for having started the chain of events that ended with The Great Purge and Mandalore's holocaust.
Sabine is I think more human than many in the Star Wars universe. She seems to suffer more guilt over her actions, yet she also seems to yearn forgiveness and connection.
Confession.
I Ship Sabine and Ezra. I have done the first episode of Rebels. It seems like Falloni does to. Sabine and Ezra were the closest in ages and it was clear that Ezra had a Crush on the Colorful Mando girl from the moment he laid eyes on her.
She of course eye rolled, yet the pair grew closer than all but Hera and Kanin. She watched over him, teased him and encouraged him in a way even the other close knit Ghost crew never did. She was also careful with him in that she clearly knew the words that could destroy him yet never used them. Sabine was someone whom had fallen into a found family. Ezra was a fellow Orphan. The two related in a manner few others could have. Time and time again they had close moments of platonic intimacy. Every new bucket stolen for Ezra a new Loath Cat design. Something again not shared with the rest. Even when he tried to come on too her her rejection was still used for something with a wholesome affection.
In the Dark saber Arc Ezra wasn’t just a friend accepted by the House Wren but was gifted with a jet pack and treated almost as family. Ezra’s message was clearly important to Sabine. And well the rest of the Ghost crew moved on joined the rebellion and then new republic. Sabine chose to stay on Loathal. In the very tower Ezra made his home.
I think she again seeks a connection to one of the few people in the Universe willing to accept her and share her sins. I think that’s part of how she keeps her faith. Her connections.
It gives her a sense of morality in asking how she can be a better person for those she loves and wants. She acted as a protector for Loathal because she claims she misunderstood Ezra’s last message to her. I suspect she chose this life because she wanted to be closer to Ezra. When she was morning him. Yet she can’t move on. That’s what’s holding her back.
She has trapped her self in trying to Morn Ezra, yet seeking him and trying to find his spirit.
Have thoroughly enjoyed your two latest uploads. Seeing both chopper and sabine in a new light.
1:05 Yep, it's the same craft Ezra rode back on. In Ep 1 premiere, this shot brought harbingers of death. Ep 8 finale features similar shot, but a familiar face embracing life of loved ones. Poetic full circle.
Everything she touches dies….except for herself.
How can people be getting stabbed in the gut with a light sabre and survive ??
To be honest what happened to Mandalore was essentially Bo-Katan’s fault. Considering all events leading up involved Bo-Katan, and she took the dark saber wrongly.
@GenerationTech Being a solider for 22 yrs i can relate with Sabines Story , and i like Daves development of the character
I served for 22 years as well and I connect with her story very well. Not just for that reason but the idea of loss and not feeling like you are ever good enough no matter how much you try to do. No matter how much she tries to help, she just keeps getting bit in the ass.
I was screaming when BoKatan was shown on the Mandalorian. I was wondering what happen to Clan Wren, when the empire destroyed Mandalore. Clan Wren did lose alot of troops against the super weapon, but they would atleast some troops being trained coming up from the youth. I am disappointed on the show, because I believe it should explore the clan system of Mandalore and be a trial to reunite all Mandalore. Remember, Clan Wren is based on Krownest. They didn't lose their population, like on Mandalore, and there are other planets in the group. Mandalore planets are known to lack huge population, because war has stripped the planet. I think Concord Dawn is the most populated planet, but that was because it was once he grainary of Mandalore, before war wiped out it's food production capability. My belief that the show would show BoKatan's behavior also contributed to the destruction of her planet. That she was vindictive and try to get revenge on clans allied to Clan Saxon, and that was why they weren't able to defend properly. I think the show has to be about her trying to get people to hate her to join to reunite Mandalore. Also it should be an exploration of other Mandalorian planets. Like her home planet. Heck, her home seems more hospitable than any other Mandalorian planet .
Darth Maul survived his light saber fight with a young Ben Kenobi. Because the burn from the light saber cauterizes the wound. Sabine’s wound wasn’t that fatal, and was quickly cauterized. Medical care was available.
Her life in the Rebels series shows that she struggled.
New "what-if" scenario popped up in my head after watching this video! And it's called what if the Mandalorians rebelled against the Empire at the right moment and that resulted in the galaxy to have to major superpowers that are the Third Galactic Republic and the space nomadic empire of the Mandalorians?
She developed a weapon to be used against Mandalorians, targetting baskar armor and vaporizing them during their use, baskar the iconic thing of mandalorians. The super-weapon (the arc pulse generator) that was named after Bo-Katan sister 'The Dutchess' which fought for a peaceful Mandalore til the last time we see her.
Not that she isn't worthy of second chances or redemption but it's really weird she lives in the same universe where she makes a superweapon and wants to continue slaying people left and right, and there's Luke who gave up and went to exile because Kylo seemed evil.
That's only because executives like Kennedy and directors like Abrams suck the life out of everything and make men always be cowards. It doesn't matter if their somebody who would make every effort to stop a negative outcome through every method that isn't violent first. It also doesn't matter if they would try to correct their mistakes instead of giving up. Those types of executives and directors always ruin everything in pursuit of a quick buck. They also don't understand that doing so ensures they eventually lose money and the opposite would only make the profits go up.
It doesn’t seem strange to me at all. When you are brainwashed, you do… things. Bad things. Things that a normal person with all the information would never do. But when you only have parts of the story, when you are socially pressured to be a certain way, to think certain things, you can become a monster. There’s that old adage that everyone can be a villain given the right circumstances. The Empire’s propaganda machine is tailor made to create those circumstances.
Once she broke free from the grip of that, she regretted everything. She then did everything in her power to make it right, to fight against evil in the galaxy, to bring about the change that was needed to thar no one else would have to fall to the same forces as she.
Contrast this with Kylo, who with all the possible positive factors in his life to mold him into a hero, yet had all the traits of a villain. They exist in the same gray area between hero and villain a lot of the time, but they’re there for different reasons.
@@tyler1107 She did everything because of her hatred towards her own people, you can't just engineer a superweapon like that and not think of the consequences. You need to have a clear mind and purpose to engineer a weapon capable of doing the most damage you can imagine of doing and then use it. The empire surely used Sabine, but everything she did was out of her own free will, capabilities and with a clear mind.
I would compare her more to Galen Erso, the cannon creator of the Death Star, he as well joined the Empire but unlike her, he stopped when he suspected that his Kyber Crystal investigation was going to be used as a superweapon, he went to live a peaceful life as a refugee without killing anyone, until the empire discovered him, taking him away and destroying his family in the process. Forcing him to work on the power capabilities of the Death Star, no free choice involved. (check Rogue One).
She is no hero. That doesn't mean Sabine doesn't deserve redemption chances, but when she continue swapping who she kills, it's pretty hard to argue her goodness with a kill score of 50,578 (from 'Sabine Wren - list of deaths star wars fandom').
@@BattlewarPenguin You're completely right, you should have a clear mind and purpose to engineer a weapon. I'm a physicist. Something multiple professors have iterated time and time again is how we, as physicists, have the knowledge to create and destroy worlds. We need to think clearly when working because everything will become a weapon. We usually talk about it in reference to nuclear fission and fusion, but it applies more deeply than that.
When you live under propaganda, physicists are not given this encouragement. They are instead encouraged to use every word of their knowledge to create the deadliest weapons to defeat the enemy for the homeland. You are supposed to not think with clarity, but anger and hate. That's just the sad truth. She lived under this type of system. I hate to admit it, but if I did, I am certain my work would be more weapons-focused. I have a natural proficiency toward electricity and magnetism as well as kinetics and optimization. So truthfully, I see a lot of myself in her. She was a misguided child, indoctrinated into a brutal system which encouraged anger and hate. This is the natural result. Realistically? She had as little choice, just like Galen Erso. Being a kid shoved into that kind of environment with her natural proficiencies had the exact result you would expect.
Though, I will say, killing over 50,000 people can make you a hero. I doubt many would argue that the Polish Underground during WW2 was anything but heroic, despite their over 6,000 assassinations of Nazi leaders and up to 150,000 individual Nazis killed. Who you kill and why makes up the majority of morality. Unless you wanna say Luke was a villain for killing 1.5 million people when he blew up the death star.
@@tyler1107 I don't want to bring real life examples to this conversation as it would become grim really fast, which isn't the intention of Star Wars which wants to be entertaining, hopeful and inspiring. We live in a more complex world. Nuclear bombs are considered bad yet they helped end the war sooner with a lower death count. Nuclear medicine has saved a lot of lifes too. Things are just a tool for humanity to use and we decide how we use it, living with the consequence of that.
We aren't our past actions but what we choose to do, we may never have all the correct information to make the best decision always, specially there will be bad actors that will try to ofuscate the truth, manipulating with even bad faith (that I do agree), and systems aren't perfect which can produce a lot of systematic suffering.
Some people do argue that the Rebels aren't good as they have taken a lot of lifes and the fight escalation allowed the Empire to take more aggresive policies.
That's why I truly believe in people like Ahsoka, Obiwan, or the Dutchess Satine. They were the true essence of pacifism navigating very well the imperfect systems they were in. But I have a tendency of believing more in particular people rather of groups of people. I truly believe individuals can choose the best option for themselves rather than the party they belong.
When Ahsoka said, "Even the right reasons can have the wrong consequences," it struck me as pseudo-philosophical trying to masquerade as profound. As I realized, it's a sloppy repackaging of the old adage, "To do the wrong thing for the right reasons." At first glance, it might appear to be sage insight, yet upon closer inspection, it's like Sabine's connection to the Force: pretty weak. Consequences are neither right nor wrong. They just are. Our actions and the reasons that motivate them are what we can control. We have no say in what comes afterward.
0:42 that’s exactly what thought of when saw that and the probe droid from episode four
I really like this backstory and maybe it will help make this show good. You do have a rally good grasp of things and how to deliver the information,
A bit of an odd start.
Visuals are great. Glad to see Ahsoka, Hera, and Sabine, but there is one big gripe i can't ignore.
Ahsoka making Sabine a padawan despite Sabine not being a force user and Ahsoka not being a Jedi anymore. Just feels odd.
I get rebels played with the new age Jedi with Kanan trying to mentor Ezra. This was despite Kanan doubting himself and Ezra learning on the fly. And i remember Sabine being trained in lightsaber use by Kanan and Ezra to train for the darksaber, but Ahsoka taking on Sabine as a padawan feels wrong.
We will have to see what Dave Filoni does with it.
He's implying there's been a lot of history in between Ezra/Thrawn's disappearance and Empire's defeat on lothal, Sabine, and Ahsoka have been doing all kind of things in between the 9-10 year gap. It makes sense, we don't exactly know what year this "massacre" happened. I personally believe it happened during Rebels when our characters were too busy being here, but it could be a year after because I think thrawn was gone 1bby. Maybe that's why instead of returning to her family, who are honestly probably all dead, she stayed in at Lothal for Ezra. After all, he gave her his lightsaber. I'm sure Hera talked to Ahsoka about Kanan training Sabine with the Darksaber, and thats how their adventures started. But again, ALOT happens in 9-10 years
@xrstevenson But why would an unaligned force user, who in the first episode scoffed at "jedi protocols" raise a non-force user that only trained on lightsaber use? It doesn't pass the smell test.
In the second episode, they even point out that Sabine is not a force user.
After Rebels in which Kanan, a doubt filled Jedi that never completed his training, taught Ezra, a cocky force strong young man, how to be a new kind of Jedi this Ahsoka/Sabine traditional Jedi/Padawan relationship does not make sense.
I hope Dave Filoni has a plan because trying to fundamentally change the essence of a character just to make a story happen does not work!
@@brianschlicher59No they point out that Sabine does not have a high "aptitude" for the force. Does not mean she is incapable of using the force. In one of the trailers for Ahsoka, as well as when Kanan is training Sabine, it is mentioned that all living things have access to the force. Force sensitive just means you have a better natural understanding of how to access and use the force. It does not mean that people that have never shown the ability can never utilize it. I keep hearing people push the idea that aptitude is the same thing as capability and that just shows ignorance. Many people in history never had high "aptitude" scores on things and still became successful in the field they had a low aptitude for. It means that someone has to work harder and have the motivation. And if you think that Sabine is not all the sudden incredibly motivated, you are insane.
@jasonchambers1679 Not buying your word salad. In Star Wars we've had force users and force sensitive individuals. Sabine has not been identified as either.
Unless Dave Filoni decides to rewrite this you are speculating wildly.
@@brianschlicher59 and they need to identify as either immediately or they never can. Love it. No one can ever become adept at something new. Just what they started with. Your closed fixed mindset is amazing!
I like Sabine, but always found her sheer amount of backstory ridiculous. She’s cool, but ridiculous. And I have a hard time believing she hasn’t gone insane yet. Poor thing…
Filoni was overcompensating for Rey's lack of backstory and messed up in the opposite way.
Pfffftt… that sounds about right! XD
Seriously you can't understand an engineering prodigy in a military society getting recruited by the most elite MIT style galactic military training school and then becoming a rebel?
Only reason people can't relate to everything she does in Rebels is because they keep thinking she's a 14 or 15-year-old girl when she's introduced. She's not. She's more like 18. So she goes off to the galactic MIT at 14. Is so enamored with the things that she can do she doesn't consider to think of a consequences of creating a weapon that can target mandalorian armor until it's too late. Figures that out at 16 and escapes. Spends a few months working as a bounty hunter to survive before she's taking in by Hera and recruited as a rebel and into Hera's family.
@@JenniferKokoski One of the most insightful points of view I've seen. I do want to consider that she was a teenager when she experiences a lot of the grief that she suffers. This kind of trauma is hard to overcome. She has a lot of issues, trust issues especially. I like the development, even if some people say she is overdeveloped. I'd prefer a character I can understand and feel over a character that makes zero sense.
@@jasonchambers1679 I think the training she does with the dark saber really helps flush out sabine's character. You get a little bit in the first season when she's suspicious of fulcrum and insists on going along. All because she wants blindly trusted the Empire and created a super weapon for them. She's been burned. But when she trains with the dark saber she reveals that trauma. She was doing what her family expected. She was serving the Empire. And she was used by it. When she tried to do the right thing, they burned her. And her family, so she thought, had turned on her too. So she feels lost. If asajj ventress is such a beloved character in clone Wars because she is betrayed by count dooku and then goes on to become a bounty hunter and survivor of the night sisters with all this trauma, then you can clearly understand Sabine. She lost everything as well. Except she found Hera's family. It was the love between those ragtag members that really helped make the show and salvage each of the characters from their darkness. Kanan was a drunkard burned by order 66. Hera wanted to fly so much she was shunned by her family for not staying to fight for her home. Ezra was an orphan boy stealing to survive. Zeb is the last of his species or so he thinks. And Sabine is a betrayed mandalorian girl. Hell even Chopper has issues surviving his X-Wing crash on Hera's planet. If there's one thing I hope we see from ahsoka it's this realism of these characters. The fact that they all went through darkness but found light in the love and support they had for each other. It really is the antithesis of the old Jedi Order and the old sith order.
What a recap of Sabine's story, very well done Sir.
Rather impressed with the first two episodes. 8/10, definitely want to see where this goes. Not perfect, but quite good.
Nothing is perfect...
Perfect is impossible...
@@deewatsoon6036 Very true. Some shows are still much better than others, though.
@@andyb1653 >COUGH, COUGH< *_Isn't that right, Kenobi? Boba Fett?_* 😡 Not you Andor, you're cool. 👍
@@MrDibara HOT TAKE TIME!
Mando S1: 8/10
Mando S2: 9/10
BoBF: 4/10
Kenobi: 3/10
Mando S3: 7/10
Andor: 9.5/10
@@andyb1653 Solid rating. I approve. 😕👍
one of sabines greatest regrets is the creation of the duchess, before anyone asks what the duchess is it is the weapon that this youtuber mentions
Sabine has the same arc as Black Widow.
The path is laid out fr us beautifully she is just Ashoka during her time an her journey is pretty how Ezra started out as well ❤❤❤ ur content btw is awesome loved this video
I see no point in stabbing a light saber in the gut anymore. You gotta double tap and chop the head off.
People shipping Ezra and Sabine and Ezra like: "you're like a sister to me... hehe"
Actually, that recording is from 10 years ago before Ezra taking out Thrawn to unknown regions
But Ezra was a teenager..
I think Ezra just messed things up because she was a frayed and lied to himself with his true feelings about Sabine
But Sabin do have some feelings because she kept hiding from it since Ezra left. Quite frankly, she still has Ezra’s lightsaber his helmets, his clothes, even live in EzraTower for 10 years..
But That all changed.. because they are adults now.
Whole thing about “siblings”? Time time is passed.
There a lot of hints and teases all over it in this series.
I don’t think the Sabezra shippers are not going away … not a long shot.
I do wonder if the Great Purge will be brought up again in Ahsoka. And how it affected Sabine.
I hope not, I'm so done with the cringey Mando bullshit. That scene with her getting her armor made me roll my eyes because of that fucking show. Besides, the less they focus on the awful new lore (like the fact that Mandalore, a storyline set up over the course of three different shows and 20 in-universe years, amounts to fucking nothing because they all just get slaughtered by the Empire in the end) the better
Man, it's so easy to survive a light saber strike to the gut.... laughing at qui gon.
Thanks for explaining her story thoroughly. I didn't want to go and watch all the "star wars rebels" stuff with her in it just to understand her character in "Ahsoka".
I still can’t get over how Lucasfilm did Gina Carina (and by extension John Favaro) dirty by letting her go…the (actual) strong, independent woman who John had positioned as the load bearing pillar of the Mando verse. And then to add insult to injury, they went and did Mando dirty in season 3 and made him a side character in his own show.
Gina Cara o shouldn’t have been let go but come on she was terrible actress. Good for physical roles but I don’t think much else.
Can't spell names, huh? Carano and Favreau.
sabine being an angsty teen at 30 years of age really put a dampner on her for me, the actress obviously didnt watch any of the rebels series,
It's off to a good start, Sabine's actress is gorgeous. I might not remember much from Rebels, but was she that angsty leading up to the end? Or was that a part of the development she going to get. I guess the reconnection was rough.
To be fair, not too long after Ezra saved them all...
TFS Vegeta: *"Killed himself."*
SAVED THEM ALL... the Empire must've bombarded Mandalore to dust. Imagine how Sabine felt, specially if that happened not long after she lost Ezra.
Now I definitely have to watch Rebels. Thanks Jeremy.
Droids with PTSD? As if the "free all droids" nonsense from "SOLO" wan't absurd enough.
hold up... Sabine is force sensitive? the artsy Mandalorian is force SENSITIVE???
I guess so
Just losely. On the same veins that Han Solo and Finn are, it mostly just gives enhances their reflexes and gives them a good ammount of luck.
But as far as Force powers are concerned, *she has none.* She needs to rely on her training as a Mandalorian warrior, *which as we saw in her beatdown against Shin, is far from enough.*
Sabinie is just absurd as a character. Building superweapons when under 15 is kinda of a stretch. Also being an expert ranged, mele, lightseber combatant, master engineer and artist under 18(Rebels) series shows that she simply got the new abilities handed to her as the story progressed. Props for not making her force sensitive tho
To be honest, I think it's actually kind of reasonable. She's probably got a similar force sensitivity to Han Solo, and look at all he accomplished with just that extra bit of "luck". Add that she was raised Mandalorian and suddenly her weapons proficiency and technological skills make a lot more sense.
Sounds like Anakin without midichlorians
@@angry_popeye They didn't make him a brilliant scientist under the age of 18. I can get the rest but that's too much for me
@@thisworldisinsane5679 Anakin at the age of 9, had already built C3P0 and a podracing ship by himself without having received any kind of education and in a practically dessertic zone.
Even He was already the best pilot in the Republic without had ever leaving Tatooine.
Sabine at least went to school.
@@angry_popeye There is a difference between building a droid and being a space underage openhimer
Sabine Wren is the Shinji Ikari of Star Wars. Especially when it comes to her backstory, her family, and what got revealed about the latter in EP4 of Ahsoka's show.
Sabine wren is a little bit older than Luke Skywalker by a few years she's in her very late 20s early 30s... She hasn't been training that's the problem plus she hasn't been on missions in a while... She'll get back into it pretty quickly it's like muscle memory you just have to remember after practicing for a few weeks
Sabine's arc generator did not destroy beskar, it was attracted to it and fried the wearer leaving beskar intact, kinda like a meat can
Did anyone see the fighters lofal was the old V-Wings from the original Rouge Squadron games
Has a goodie ever stepped out of a landa shuttle
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I like that they made Sabine Ahsoka's apprentice, but they didn't make her Force Sensitive.
(Well, it always seemed she was a bit, enough for crazy leaps and acrobatics and such. but I guess so far not a lot, ...also clearly Dark Jedi Padawan was a lot better, but Sabine held her own in that fight a lot longer than you'd expect and all. )
They don't have to make Sabine force sensitive to become an apprentice to Ahsoka, the same way they don't have to take away Grogu's power to become a Mandalorian foundling (now apprentice) to learn the way of the Mandalore.
She apparently has some low-level force sensitivity.
@@OllamhDrab Especially as Dark Jedi Padawan (is her name Haati?), does have precognition.
i like the theory that everyone has the potential to use the force but that the jedi only took in those who are naturally gifted and at an age where they can be properly indoctrinated
I really liked the first two episodes of Ahsoka
I had a mild panic attack at the end of that saber battle, and seeing those E wings on the big screen for the first time *chefs kiss*
"Oooh Dinkleberg! Aren't you going to come over and give my wife a congratulatory handshake?"
Incredible context that I wish more folks knew before watching Ahsoka
I definitely hope and pray that the ahsoka show doesn't turn into rebels and they have full-on conversation while dueling that would suck so bad
Honestly I was a bit disappointed when I learned who the actress playing Sabine would be. I didn't think she looked like her enough, but it seems her appreciation and care for watching Rebels paid off. Despite not looking exactly like her, she has the same mannerisms, diction, and body language. It is almost eerie how I can close my eyes and perfectly imagine animated Sabine in her place.
The same goes for Hera. And Chopper of course. They chose an excellent cast for this show and all the actors have done a phenomenal job, at least in the first two episodes.
I think Sabine in Ahsoka looks a lot like her mother in Rebels.
@@bigzed7908 that's true, she looks more like Ursa than Sabine. Either way, fantastic acting
Whether she's cursed or not - according to the Asoka pilot she sure is a free spirit who doesn't like play by boring rules. So much so it's almost funny, especially with her "whatevah"-smirk. God, that whole introduction of her was quite painful to watch... "Don't do it! Is she gonna do it? Oh no, she's gonna do it!" and then the acknowledgement of the other pilot "Yah, you are an asshole..."
Nice show
Remembering that she got the Dark Saber back without a fight... just as she will give it to Bo-Katan Kryze who won't be able to stop Mandalore's fall. Can we see behind the curse of the Dark Saber, which causes misfortune if not acquired in combat?
2:32 The Road to hell is paved with good intentions
Please tell me that I'm not the only person who sees this version of Sabine as utterly beautiful.
For about 5 seconds I thought you might talk about KK.
Has anyone noticed the bird that was near Sabine Wren on episode 6? Just like Morai follows Ahsoka. Could Sabine Wren is the avatar of the Mortis Son just like Ahsoka is the avatar of the Mortis Daughter?
I think one of the driving forces of Sabine living alone on Lothal was the death of her family, because when we see what happened to Mandolore in the Book of Boba Fett, we see how the Night of a Thousand Tears destroyed Mandolore. I think once news got out to rest of the galaxy, Sabine probably tried to look for her family, but couldn't because Mandolore (At least to the galaxy) was too dangerous to explore. I believe this was the catalyst as to why she stopped wearing her armor and the wedge that was driven between her and Ahsoka. At least, that's how I see it.
Could you do a video about sabine being a padawan? I'm wracking my brain but I can't remember anywhere in rebels where they introduced that, and if it's in comics I won't be reading it.
Unless you count her dark saber training with Kanan and Ezra then that’s as close as it gets. Sabine becoming a padawan to Ahsoka happens off screen.
@@Kyle-fp5lm Yeah, but Din is having dark saber training as well...
@@jamesweible5357The dark saber is gone. Shattered and blew up, so there's no point to that anymore
@@cephydash1533 I dunno, I could see a rebuilt dark saber by mandalorians at the Great Forge being a symbol for New Mandalore. Especially if it coincides with the return of the Mythosaur.
@@jamesweible5357it won't be the one that's a thousand years old
I agree and man I'm liking it so far
I love your takes on Star Wars man. Always a joy watching them.
Honestly i'm surprised she isn't more disturbed by that point in the Ahsoka series.
I mean especially the Nights of a thousand tears got to weigh heavily.
It's not everyday that you get your entire people purged.
Are saber wound only deadly to Jedi, quigon got hit in the same place dies immediately so she’s overpowered more a trained master Jedi like quigon with special set of skills
I wouldn’t speculate on whether waiting longer would have prevented the purge, the Empire was both centralized & decentralized. We don’t know if Moff Gideon is responsible for the purge by order of the emperor or his perception of the danger that Mandalorians presented to the Empire. The bombers were part of the imperial navy, but the ISB was involved as well.
How the f is she force sensitive when she was in rebels she wasn’t sensed by Ezra or Kanan. Ezra almost accepted her fully those two worked well greatly plus I ship SABEZRA they need each other too.
She is apparently force sensitive, but not strong in the force. Remember what the droid said about her being weaker than even the weakest padawan he had encountered in his millenia of service.
She isn't "force sensitive" but all living beings in starwars have a connection to the force. Maybe she has a slightly stronger connection which allows her to have visions and such, but nowhere near strong enough to wield the force like actual force sensitives.
people can evolve in this universe
A power called plot armour
@@theawesomeman9821Kannan said the force exist in everything (this is why Jedi and Sith can sense people). The droid did say she was the most talentless Padawan he has ever encountered if the Jedi Order still existed they would have never wasted their time trying to teach her since she doesn't have the strength to be classified as force sensitive.
Kenobis's VFX issue wasn't the models or the textures / materials, it was honestly the lighting. I don't know whose decision it was to make such uninspired and terrible lighting, but oh well. I actually still enjoyed the show.
I also felt the scaling and depth perception in that one shot with Vader was just so weird
@@GenerationTech The other weird thing was the scenes on Alderaan were great. Great lighting specifically, allowed the light to bounce around and really... well, shine.
Hey question. Is it possible that the Grysk came from another galaxy? I mean there's never been any mention of their homeworld. It just seems as if they appeared out of nowhere.
Micah 4:5
5 All the nations may walk in the name of their gods, but we will walk in the name of the Lord our God for ever and ever.
The hate in some of these comments. WOW just wow. You do know if you dobt like the show or thr character there is other material to watch right?
That said Sabine has a low aptutude for the force but she is a trained lightsaber wielder. Shes a brilliant artist who can understand things about her enemies thought patterns by their art. Shes a gifted engineer. She is a perfect foil for Thrawn mabey not at his tactical level but still close enough to give the Heroes a chance against him.
Does she have flaws. Hell yes. But if she didnt you all would just call her Rey 2.0. Flaws make characters interesting.
Ah yes the artist vs the art collector I like that
@@GenerationTech yes that specifically but also like she tells Ezra in one episode. It's art it always has meaning. Showing that like Thrawn she can deduce patterns etc from such things.
Moodiness is the crutch Star Wars writers have used since Luke through Rey, etc. it’s their way or f making heroes seem Human. It’s just another sign of crappy writing for “character development.”