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Baylan Skoll is a sensitive soul. He writes poetry when he's not slicing somebody's head off. As a young Jedi, not only did he construct his light saber, he also designed and sewed his own Jedi robes. He also sang in the Jedi Boys Choir as a tenor.
Cmon, there's a jedi boys choir? That's too much. Lol
Gotta say his style of fighting makes way more sense than almost any other that we have seen. No wasted movement when deflecting blasters and just pure power in combat. I love his character best antagonist disney star wars has had. He seems not evil, just views things differently than others which makes him hard to read in a wonderful way.
Dooku was the same; not evil, just saw things different.
@@willdavis6350nah dooku in animated clone wars series was definitely evil. This guys mass murderd & tried mass genocide without hesitation.
@@willdavis6350dooku was the same in tales of the jedi but in clone wars he was definitely evil
He's one of the most extremely efficient saber fighters we've seen at least in live action. Dooku is very similar with his movements.
@@willdavis6350Thats not Disney
I love balyan he is now my new favorite character in star wars it's such a shame ray Stevenson can't do more of this his acting is so good
Rest in Peace Ray Stevenson😞
disney agents took him out to prevent a season 2….
As soon as I heard Ray was involved in Ahsoka, I knew he’d knock it out of the park and bring his own unique/midevil brute style to his performance RIP Ray, you will live on through the force now❤
You and me both. I don't like many characters in the Disney continuity
But Baylan has become one of them.
@@Hohrdwait what happened did something happen to him?
I'm glad they're delving into a more esoteric aspect of the Force and how powerful a master of that aspect can be. Maybe one day we will see Battle Meditation!
Windus' shatterpoint gave him the ability to see weaknesses and exploit them. That's why he's so lethal in form 7 though it's aggressive and may leave a welder open to attack with shatterpoint Mace can sense the weaknesses and opening as they happen and exploit them.
I got a feeling his apprentice might pull a rule of two type of betrayal in the upcoming episodes...
My thoughts too. She’s hot headed & not as patient as he is. She’ll mistake his decent nature for weakness & it’ll cost her imo.
it would tie in with the unfortunate fact that ray stevenson won't be around for a 2nd season.
Rule of one is better
@@virtualrealityfitness283only if you have the power of essence transfer or immortality
Especially since Shin questioned her Master Baylin's decision to leave Sabine alive staying true to his word, clinging to the Jedi way of honoring his word....will most likely lead to his demise at the hands of his ambitious apprentice. I have foreseen it
"So, I was on the crapper and the Force showed me an empty toilet paper roll. We must alert the Council."
Baylan is the perfect embodiment of strong yet reserved. He applies no more force than necessary to defeat his opponents. I would argue his style is a perfect blend of shi cho and djem so
His main Force ability is being an adult in the woke kindergarten.
Not only that, but he's a man of his word. He gave his word to Sabine, and he proved that he had the strength of character to keep it when he told Shin, who was force choking Sabine, to release her, "he gave her his word". Let's be honest with ourselves, 99% of villains would immediately go back on their word once they've had what they wanted in their hand.
Their red-orange lightsabers (instead of the 'true red' of Sith lightsabers) kind of hints at something new which we haven't seen before.
@@shadowcatcherfox5186 Doesn't colour depend on the crystal used and not the mood of the user?
@@vespenegas261 AFAIK, colors don't mean anything, except red. Because red is the color of a kyber crystal that has gone through the ritual of being bled (there's plenty of online materials if you're interested in delving deeper in the subject.)
I'm thinking that they might have tried to bleed their crystals, but couldn't or wouldn't go the distance.
@@shadowcatcherfox5186 But that's EU, wich doesn't exist anymore. Oh wait....
Such a shame that the actor who plays him died before the series released….
😢It still upset me that he is no longer here with us to do more Acting.
Are you certain? CGI and image ownership being what it is these days!
Sad that the actor passed away. I doubt his character will get his full story now.
R.I.P
Yep, they're presumably going to have to use Shin to take over whatever roles Baylan was meant to have.
Baylan is such a great character. So sad that Ray isn’t here anymore.
He is actually cheap version of Vader, with some Dooku characteristics, i.e. doing evil for "greater good" . He could be partially interesting but unfortunately, this came in dying moments of SW franchise , in another crappy low ratings TV show. Plus actor portraying him is dead.
@@aleksazunjic9672you’re very negative, the series is possible to save because of Dave falloni, and baylan is getting noting but praise and you’re over here acting like your “opinion” is a fact, go watch shameless or 13 reasons why because you a bit emotional. Lol
@@aleksazunjic9672and yes he has passed away, but he was filmed through the series so they can still do a baylan prequel scenes in the future using a younger actor with resemblance. This isn’t new concept.
@@ZaidrianSpiderslmaooo you can tell this alek guy thinks hes always the smartest person in the room when really to everyone else around him hes the dumbest
@@ZaidrianSpiders Not going to happen, because people basically lost interest in Disney SW, especially that period of Clone Wars, Order 66 and early Rebellion. Beaten to death, with each new Disney crap breaking already established story. First we had only two Jedi surviving Order 66, then several, then they added Inquisitors, witches, and now even Dark Jedi. Kids do not watch SW, and older audience gave up on it.
Take into consideration that Sifo Dyas had the best foresight by far as he saw the Clone Wars happening, the events during ROTS, and the possible Jedi downfall to the Sith. He may have never known who was going to be involved, but he saw distinctly certain events. Anakin had this similar foresight, but it looked less refined than what Dyas had, at least at his current level of Jedi Mastery.
Yeah Space Wizards have the best WiFi signal in the far far future….ridiculous
Darth Plagueis guided Sifo Dyas
@@wperfect Ahh then perhaps it was altered visions like how Sidious was affecting Anakin’s foresight. Still though, Sifo’s claim to fame was his ability to see the future better than any other, even if it was an alteration.
Honestly thought Darth Palgeius and Sifo Dyas were one and the same.
@@InfiniteNaos Sifo Dyas knew that Count Dooku disagreed with the jedi orders relationship with the republic & that he wanted to start the separatist alliance. Darth Plagueis realised this, so he convinced Sifo Dyas that the republic would need a clone army to defend itself against Dooku & the separatist army. Darth Plagueis spoke with him twice, the meeting 10 years apart. I like to think thats where he planted the seed for the altered visions
5:32 This is a rather important point of contention. No one mentions the bigger picture. Thrawn is in the right. The chis and grisk war is a starting point of a much larger threat. If thrawn takes over the new repblic and the chis can stand against the grisk but the "good guys" are getting in the way. The force is working through him because he is helping the side that should be winning
Honestly, Order 66 really did weed out many inept force users. A few lucky, but other mostly skilled few survived.
Spoken like a true youngling
You omitted Ezra in your list of force users with the foresight talent. It's what he used to plan the Battle of Lothal, and why he had the foresight to have the Purgill as a backup plan. He literally said he saw several paths ahead, and that this wasn't the path he wanted to take, it was the one he had to walk. I feel that this squarely places him into the circle of force users who are talented with this gift.
It’s actually becoming farcical how many Jedi survived order 66. It just doesn’t mean anything now.
I dont think having more than 50 jedi surviving order 66 is bullsh.t since there were hundreds of thousand jedi in the galaxy there might be some lucky ones who survived falls like kenobi or skilled and clever enough to react in time and destroy their own clone troopers
I think of it in terms of say....librarians. If there was an "Order 67" that wiped out all the librarians on Earth in their library, there would still be LOTS of retired librarians or people who quit the job and later became teachers, florists, stay at home parents, etc....
I think the purpose of Order 66 was to eliminate the Emperor's chief rival: the INSTITUTION of Jedi, as an organization. The Order could decide, organize, and challenge Palpatine, but single Jedi living as farmers or tribesman or nomads or sheriffs would probably mind their own business until Palpatine could safely track them down and rub them out from the comfort and safety of his throne room.
Still...i agree with you, there are just TOO many Jedi in these stories. They could just repurpose one of thousands of good stories,. villains, and non-jedi from old episodes of Kung Fu, Gunsmoke, I dream of Jeanie, the Smurfs, Spiderman and his Amazing Friends, Columbo, or ANY TV show from the past 60 years. The universe is not just limited to Mandalorians and Bounty Hunters. There are photojournalists, vigilantes, Book of Eli travellers, revengers, avengers, and medics they could build entire episode arcs around. The Clone Wars has shown us how vast the cast of characters and plots can be (Even zombies!)
@@ClipsAndTracks wasn’t that the whole point of Star Wars? That only obi-wan was left to look out for luke until he was old enough to wield a saber himself. It just undermines Georges story and like I said it just has no weight to it now when in every new TV show a handful of Jedi no one has ever heard about show up and tell they’re tail of how they survived order 66 😂 I thought it was meant to be a complete purge of the Jedi. Why did no non these surviving Jedi help Luke in the original trilogy?
@@Smj1303think that the goal of Kennedy is to undermine everything that Lucas wrote. Or at the story Leads.
@@Smj1303 Exactly. The twins were supposed to be all that was left, which is why the stakes were so high.
Man Shatterpoint was one of the best novels of that era. I read a ton and it's one of the only clone wars stories I remember.
I was a huge fan of Ray Stevenson as Titus Pullo in Rome, and am still bummed out about his passing. He was a great addition to this show with his imposing presence and physicality, but he also has a sort of jaded wisdom about his character that is absolutely perfect for this story.
The way he drops the line, "How inevitable," when Anakin's one-time apprentice ignites her saber after speaking with him only briefly is absolutely perfect, and the setup to Ahsoka's reunion with Anakin is masterfully set. Just excellent story-telling.
Saw a neat theory about Baylan, he is our canon version of Starkiller which is why he is so powerful and knows so much of Anakin/Vader.
I don't peg Baylon as a forsight type Jedi, he seems like Ezra with the gift to connect and that's how he so easily could read Ahsoka and sabine. Ahsoka's guilt over Anakin and Sabine's over the death of her family on Mandalor which BTW is extremely dark, I'm guessing her family was on Mandalor for the night of 1000 tears and they got wiped out. He also probably survived the purge by feeling the change in his clones as it was happening giving him time to react
Your theory sounds plausible and I can’t wait to see how the series plays out. Thank you for your passion and hard work.
I predict ultimately Baylan will get his hands on the "World between Worlds" and try to use it to change the past.
Baylan is one of the most interesting characters
It's still hard to believe that Ray is no longer with us 😥
Clairvoyance is generally extrasensory perception of things happening in the present. So, if the clone troopers were programmed to be ticking time bombs it is possible a Jedi would pick up on that.
Well The Clone Wars is a set up in order to prevent that. Fog of War would limited that ability a great deal. Even a Well trained Jedi can get tired in battle. So The End of the Clone Wars, Palpatine knew that the Jedi would be spread out and tired from the prolong warfare when he gave the order.
After Ahsoka fell off the cliff, Thanos got the soul stone.
😂😂
I like how Baylan said "do it" like palpatine to convince sabine to hand over the thingamagige
This is deeply insightful. I'm impressed with how it resonates.
Its possible that Baylan just had a background knowledge of Sabine's situation before they met..... Sabine is not that secretive. She already disobeyed Ashoka once and took the map from the ship, that's how Shin got the map in the first place.
But he closed his eyes and seemed to be sensing something in the force before he started talking about Ezra to Sabine.
Ray's death is such a loss. I hope they don't kill off Baylan. I would love for him to make it to the upcoming Thrawn movies.
Love your content bro!!
If Baylan has the power of foresight, then he will have an Anikin moment, a Kilo Ren moment, where they see the path to salvation and do the right thing. Hopefully before it's not too late though..
I like the Baylan Skoll character but how would you classify him? He seems kind of ruthless but at the same time, he doesn't come across as overtly evil either so I doubt you could call him a Dark Jedi.
Ray, too young to be taken. RIP.
An honorable mention: Darth Cognus (formerly The Huntress) had foresight. She used it to track down and capture Darth Bane. Cognus became apprentice to Darth Zannah after Zannah defeated Bane in a duel. Prior to the duel, Cognus could not foresee the victor as she had many opposing visions of the outcome.
Man I like how you put it down it makes me love star wars more keep up the good work 🫡
Did I ever tell about the tragedy of Darth Baylan the Amazing? 😢
“Difficult to see. Always in motion is the future.”
i noticed if you watch episode 4 when thy pan back to the star map you can hear wolf’s howling did anyone else catch that?
Fun fact: Lord baylan, Shin ,Morgan hayden, and hera are only in 4 episodes ✌️
I think we should also consider that at this timeline in Ahsoka, the emperor and Vader, two most strong darkside force users are dead so it might also be possible that foresight powers might have strengthened. Cuz Yoda was always mentioning darkside was clouding everything. With the huge power gap in the darkside it might be possible to see the future clearly for a master level jedi.
Before this video I didn’t catch that Baylan was utilizing foresight beyond the average trained force wielder. Another reason Star Wars discussion and theory channels are cool.
He will always be remembered as legionary Titus Pullo
I’m fairly certain that what Baylan was doing with Sabine wasn’t foresight or mind reading. It’s been said that force users can’t actually mind read, but they can sense intent and emotion which is something Vader and Maul have been shown to do often. It’s much more likely that Baylan was able to sense Sabine’s emotions such as her desire to save Ezra and her sorrow at the loss of her family on mandalore
Yeah. They can sense emotions not read minds.
I think there are certainly invasive ways to read people's minds, at least in the newer stuff. Maul with Jesse: "it is not up to you; your mind will speak, or it will break". I agree that emotions are probably an easy way to see into someone's thoughts. But in any case, Baylan has a particularly strong ability to do something of this ilk.
@@Felixxfb If the Fantasy Flight Star Wars RPG is any authoritative material to go by, they can read surface thoughts, and let's face it, our minds are noisy chatterboxes especially when we're under stress and have something which we feel strongly about that is always nagging on our minds.
There's several examples of this. The first being when Vader learned about Luke having a twin sister -- that's a specific detail which you can't divine from emotion alone. Then there's the scene in Mandalorian S2 where Grogu and Ahsoka had their silent conversation -- and that's where we learned the Child's name was Grogu -- something you can't just divine from emotions, but through the exchange of surface thoughts.
For Jedi, that's the limit, surface thoughts. However, Dark Side Users have employed (painful) mental probes to learn things from their victim's minds. The first time we see this is Kylo Ren using it on Poe, and later (humiliatingly unsuccessfully) with Rey. We also see Darth Maul use it to pry information about Ahsoka from a captured clone trooper (Jesse).
So yes, there's a vast abundance of evidence of people using the Force to read the minds of others.
Baylan is really cool character. I like him. I think this is how he survived and hid. With Shin. He saw through Force Sight what will happen. And sense clones turning on them. And went into hiding. May the Force be with you too😊
It’s obvious that Baylan trained with Katakuri to learn future sight
RIP Ray. We will miss you.
Baylan is a man of focus, commitment, sheer will
I believe that Baylan is very talented with this gift as you stated and I really enjoyed your video it was illuminating. I would also add Jedi Master Syfo Dias to the list because he was having visions of the Clone Wars years ahead of time, the Council feared his visions and were likely to lock him up in a Jedi Prison if not for a woman who became Syfo Dias master and took him under her wing.
This actor that played Baylan could have been the Emperor in Star Wars the Old Republic.
It's a shame Stevenson died...so far his portrayal of Baylan is the only reason I'm remotely interested in this series. Imagine if he were the "villain" of the Disney trilogy. Oh well.
I feel the same way. Oh, how things could have been.
He could have played Darth Krayt
They could recast him?
But but but it's a woman driven show. I'm right there with ya
@@virtualrealityfitness283Maybe but I think I prefer him not being a Sith. Whatever he is, it’s intriguing.
@The Stupendous Wave - Great video! 😎 Can you do an episode about which lightsaber style you think Ahsoka might teach Sabine in the future? 😈 I would love to see her try Shien (Form 7) but feel Soresu (Form 3 I believe) is more practical
What a fantastic take on Baylin Skolla and his character, I love this video. He is one of the most interesting and mysterious character in Star Wars since Kylo Ren/Ben Solo and Rey and their dyad connection in the Sequels. I Hati is very interesting and mystirous too. I can't wait to see what we'll learn about them in the remaining episodes.
I know some people hate everything about the Sequels and that is fine, everyone has the right to their own opinion.
Great work, i am curious however on how he was able to bleed his force crystal to orange that we saw in the series so far
'Spidersense is tingling'
He had sight beyond sight!😂😂
Amazing
Wondering if he was a temple guardian... yellow and red = orange saber.
he has advantage on perception rolls 😂
"An exceptional level of mastery of this specific power". What? No he hasn't. He pondered/meditated for a bit in one (not getting the answer he looked for) and the other he read Sabine's mind?
I think the former was purely for pacing...
There doesn't seem to be any evidence he is talented in foresight...
I think the reason he probably has that ability and foresight still is that he's not fully dark side. My guess is he still leans maybe dark of center but hasn't cut his ties to the light side completely.
Dark Side Users are often likened to drug addicts. Maybe Baylen's just taking the marijuana flavor of Dark Side. I get the feeling that Shin's going to dig into the harder stuff.
Not how that works, the abilities can be wielded by any force user if learned. Anakin knows about force lightning, his suit stops it. Force lightning is used by Jedi of old order. They never were sith. Luke learned many skills associated in light and dark. Discovered the difference was flow of force verses forcing the force by emotion.
"So, how did you survive order 66?"
"Simple. I didn't exist to be killed."
I believe that the jedi becoming generals and fighting is what blinded them. They were keepers of the peace and should be using the force for knowledge and defense, never attack.
He was able to sense/survive it because the plot required it.
It is difficult to represent any power other than telekinesis on screen
Red Lightings
Ah, but Jedi were right that foresight is dangerous, especially to writers, it is hard to balance it out, it must be bloor, or limited to some single moments, and not to what lead to them, in that way, it could add additional layer of weight to the scenes, an feeling that everything is clicking together.
Ill say it Ray would have made a god Darth vitiate. If they do make an old republic movie or show I can see him playing the part of vitiate.
I view it as a an order of magnitude. Moments before it happens the person is sensitive. Minutes before the person has had some training. Hours before the person has practiced for a significant period of time. Anything beyond the person is considered a master. This does however allow for when the force chooses to show something even to those just sensitive. A person could be gifted, such as Ezra, but without the training they will not be able to make sense of the force precognition.
I was bummed to find out he passed away. The character needs to continue and I suggest they look at bring in Vincent Regan
Baylon gives off Dooku vibes.
No one is going to convince me that baylen's apprentice doesn't look like she is high off of 13 drugs
So bummed Ray passed! The most interesting Star Wars character we’ve seen in a very long time! This is the Star Wars we want, not the sequel garbage!
Just realized since he won and leaving the planet, he didn't need to destroy the orb as he can carry it with him.
Bit of a tangent and not particularly to Star Wars but I find foresight to be silly in fiction. Narratively it doesn’t make sense to have a character that can tell you the end of the story at the beginning so it’s always this well many possibilities but usually wrong in some way. Essentially it’s just foreshadowing by a different name.
Foreseeing the trip and it’s destination is impossible, since the force needs life and matter associated to life to exist, in the void between galaxies there is nothing. I wonder, if within the force itself there is a duality between light and dark and vying for balance, can there be something that is the counter part of the force? A counterforce of sorts?
Mace Windu felt it to “ I believe there is a plot to over throw the Jedi” episode III
I've heard about his death and it's very sad and I kind of hate myself for not watching Ahsoka before his passing I've seen clips of him and Ahsoka and I thought to myself oh this looks cool and I watch it but now I can't knowing that just actors passed away God bless his family rest in peace
You couldn't have watched it before his passing, he died before the series release
That's so Raven.
Jedi Councils foresight was blocked by what Plagueis & Sidious did with the Darkside in the Plagueis novel? Yoda mentions this at the end of Episode II AOTC
RIP, Ray Stevenson.
I think it is interesting he reads that the path is clouded. seems to be the whole anakin thing is coming through
Do you suppose that it is through Foresight that Baylan knew what happened to Anakin? I would think it was either that or he simply connected the dots of Anakin's supposed death and Darth Vader's sudden appearance.
Though it's always possible Disney will retcon some sort of encounter between the two of them at some point or another.
Darth Vader has met a lot of jedi. In a new hope, Obi-Wan's description of Vader is that he helped the empire hunt down and destroy the jedi. Some survived the encounter; we know Ezra, Kanan, and Ahsoka all did so. I think it's entirely possible that Baylan saw Anakin's future, but it's also possible that he encountered Vader and lived. "Few would live to see what he became" sort of could imply that he's one who lived, literally seeing what he became.
@@stanleydodds9 Yes, in Disney wars some survived LOL. Like Mahsoka, even when Vader could sodomize her easily both in a metaforic and in a real sense LOL. But a she is Filoni´s wet dream she, somehow, survived, even being a lesser fighter, with less control of the force and physicaly weaker.
I think the idea he had foresight and didn’t get killed by order 66 doesn’t necessarily mean he embraced the dark side I think he made his orange light saber from the beginning and it doesn’t mean he is dark I think he is a survivor who has used his skills the same way John Wick would to make money
If he turns into an actual wolf I will totally love it.
The power of foresight can be a double edged sword. It can show a snapshot of the future but not how fate will take it there. Who knows? Maybe the actions the foreaight user takes to change the future can be what sets off the chain of events leading to what was seen in the vision. Maybe in an effort to guarantee the vision, the action ends up changing it.
nerdy as fuck ...i love it
I want to see where he was during the clone wars and order 66.
Ima tell you exactly what’s goin to happen Ahsoka will be able to go to other galaxy because of the wbw and help sabine why else would she be in there watch it happen cause she has to save her some way and that’s the only way for her to get to the other galaxy
Those two just keep reminding me of bane and zana
I disagree about Palpatine. His visions seemed shortsighted. Certain things may have happened in his vision, but he couldn't see far enough ahead to see how things got undone. How did he not expect Vader to turn on him? How did he not prevent a rebellion when he knew it would happen? Even Yoda could tell Palpatine was only seeing what he wanted to see and not necessarily the truth.
Question about bailyn (sp?) Why does he and his apprentice have the orange lightsabers? Has this been hashed out and answered already and I missed it? If so I apologize.
Probably a bled crystal, it’s orange red
You didn't miss anything, and I highly doubt it'll be explained, because it means whatever you think it means, or want it to mean. You can explain it with bleeding kyber crystals if you want, or you can just think of it as a visual representation of an aspect of them, or something else. I don't think everything in star wars needs a scientific explanation - it's fantasy.
@@stanleydodds9 I suppose it's going to be like the "who's marrok under the mask?" Then he turns out to be nobody just a puff of smoke"...ugh
would be interesting to find out the motive of the force
why would it choose to "speak" to anyone if it doesn't have a motive or is truly neutral?
I would say he's more of a dark Jedi than a Sith... That said, I can't fault your logic on the matter. Well done.
You know who actually has the same type of power of seeing the future General Ron Cuda from the forced Unleashed games because as he was fighting Starkiller Galen Marek he saw himself being with Galen and then when he went blind he can still see I know it's not the Star Wars lore of that game isn't real it's not canon but I believe that I believe General Rahm Kota was an actual Jedi that did help I'm not sure I would say during Order 66 and he was pretty powerful if you play the game you could see what he could do and he was an old man just like batman . To be honest maybe in the next video you could talk about General Rahm Kota as a Jedi.? Just thought I would point that out to be honest they need to make Galen Marek Starkiller they should do a show. Maybe a what-if I think that would be really cool I love the forced Unleashed games I wish they would come out with a third one using Unreal Engine 7 my God I could imagine what a Jedi like that could do.
He was a great cast... So sad he passed away. He is one with The Force now.
Can force users (light, dark or whoever) manipulate or create false visions of the future?
I don't know where the Ashoka show will lead us. Though, I can tell you we all will really miss the actor Ray Stevenson. RIP.
MTFBWYA
i think he might have been a jedi sentinel
Is this a new show out?
It happened to me on earth 🌎 when I felt my mother's passing when waking up overnight when paying my respects it was told to me when the exact time it happened was what I felt from a distance days later what was foreseen
I want to know more about his apprentice and why she has a Padawan braid