AHSOKA - Hidden Clues that SABINE was FORCE SENSITIVE, All Along
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Ahsoka revealed in its first two episodes that Sabine was Ahsoka's padawan learner. So is she Force Sensitive? We combed through very episode of Star Wars Rebels and found hidden clues to coinfirm this!
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So what’s the deal with Sabine Wren? Is she a Jedi or not?
In the first two episodes of Ahsoka, we see Sabin Wren using a lightsaber, and there are some hints of her being force-sensitive.
Sabine was Ahsoka’s apprentice, though it’s unclear what Ahsoka was teaching her exactly.
Hera and Huyang keep naggin Ahsoka to continue training Sabine. And she held her own against Shin Hati, a highly skilled force user.
But Sabine apparently has a very weak connection to the force, and she didn’t display any force abilities…. or did she?
Ahsoka is clearly hinting at Sabine possibly being force-sensitive. So we have to explain what’s going on with Sabine, is she force sensitive or are we being deceived?
So is Sabine a Mandalorian Jedi? Let’s find out.
Now let’s start with the second episode because we sort of get an answer right away.
When Sabine talks with Huyang, he basically tells her that she ain’t got the Midi-chlorians to be a Jedi. [clip]
Doug: So she isn’t a Jedi then?
Well, she ain’t a Jedi for sure. But there is a galaxy-sized difference between being a Jedi and force-sensitive. All Jedi use the force, but not all force users are Jedi.
Huyang is a droid who trained countless Jedi younglings in the past thousand generations. He knows best. So I guess that settles it then…. or maybe not.
Huyang is like this old wise master. He doesn’t simply teach, he also mentors the Jedi.
Most of the younglings he trained were very young, meaning they were most open to learning.
He knows that Sabine is very stubborn and rebellious. And as an adult, it’s much harder for her to reach into the force.
So Huyang might be doing some reverse psychology here, telling her something she can’t do, knowing that she will do the opposite just to prove him wrong.
[This is a joke] I mean, she gets stabbed in the belly by a lightsaber, and she’s fine.
Only force-sensitive people can survive that.
Well unless you’re Qui-gon...
But in all seriousness, Huyang is constantly trying to convince Ahsoka to train Sabine. Why nag a Jedi master to train someone who cannot use the force?
The show reveals that after the ending of Rebels, Ahsoka took Sabine as her apprentice.
But we don’t know why would Ahsoka take Sabine as an apprentice if she cannot use the force?
It’s one thing for Din Djarin to teach Grogu the Mandalorian ways. But to be a Jedi, you need…. you know, you need to use the force.
As far as her low aptitude for the force, that’s because Sabine is a Mandalorian, but more on that in a bit. - Krátké a kreslené filmy
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Im like you im good either way
Man, the dog's right though. the palpatine returns joke has run it's course. You really don't have to shoe horn it in to every video. It just feels like you're being a crybaby at this point.
I am a cattorney at law and while I don't normally represent K9s, I may be willing to make an exception for Doug. Please have him reach out.
the timeline of the first two episodes are so confusing too because parts of it are clearly after the Mando Season 2 episode The Jedi and parts are clearly before the epilogue of star wars rebels so when does everything really take place?
Was that a Nine Inch Nails song in the beginning of the video? If so, nice!
another scene that shows Sabine as force sensitive. When the Loth Wolves transported them to the temple Ezra hears voices in the force. Sabine also mentions hearing the voices and no one else can.
nice catch!
I forgot about that! Thank you...
Omg yes!
Duuuude. Very nice catch!
Feloni is probably sitting at home saying I gave you everything, all the clues, and still you fail me star wars fans 🙂
No.
The two episodes show that Sabine's connection to the Force is strongest when she is asleep/unconscious. Ahsoka's ability to sense others' thoughts through the Force (Grogu, Anakin, animals ever since she was a baby) is what made her choose Sabine as an apprentice. My theory, anyways.
Cause she’s relaxed she’s always so tense and preoccupied when awake, “so Mandalorian” .
I am just happy for a character that’s not “chosen” or “gifted”. Yes let’s see her struggle, maybe get to the point of proficient, but please keep her abilities grounded. It would be a nice change and leave room for her own Mandalorian flavor on it.
her limit should be chirrut level force sensitivity she can use the force to see stuff but not to fight
Disney won’t make a girl struggle. She’ll have a natural talent break through and beat all of the men who have been training their whole lives.
@@Rockoblockothank you. These Rebels fanatics are big time delusional.
Excellent point!
Agreed. I was worried they were going to give her force powers overnight but it was very tasteful the way they pulled that off. If she was gifted we would have already seen it and I'm okay with her being for sensitive but I like how her aptitude for the force falls short of them all. That was tasteful. I was also worried about her character transferring to the screen but I have to say after the first two episodes it did a great job. I'm in
Can we talk about the tragic loss of that ombre? Cause that orange spice and violet was amazing.
Something that struck me is Kanan saying she was blocked from the force in "Trials of the dark saber" he used the same adjective to explain to Ezra why he couldnt connect with creatures in season 1, i think it was episode 9.
He could feel it in her. It’s also why he knew her finding the Darksaber wasn’t a coincidence, it was calling out & she heard it
that low key line , "the line must be drawn here, no further" TNG at its best
Something I hope they do is let us learn Sabine's thoughts on The Night of a Thousand Tears considering her role in the events that lead up to it.
Honestly I’m surprised Bo-Katan in Mando never mentioned the fact that the Darksaber exchange that supposedly caused it was her receiving it from Sabine at the end of that Rebels arc
@@samboi123well they fucking retconned that whole issue by just having djinn hand it over in a fragile loophole
@@andrewheath6451 that’s not a retcon though? It doesn’t contradict what happened in Rebels. After Rebels, Bo-Katan gives it up to Gideon who loses it to Din
@andrewheath6451 you realize Mando season 3 is after all of Rebels right?
I like the idea that she is Force sensitive but maybe only a "little bit" and I love the concept that she could sort of "unlock" her limited abilities with training and dedication. It gives hope to those of us, who as kids, wondered if we could somehow be force sensitive if we only had a master to train us, like Obi-Wan did with Luke in Ep 4. When I saw it in 1977 as a wide-eyed 7 year old, I know I wished that I'd find my Obi-Wan Kenobi to train me and "unlock" my abilities. Also it would be cool to have a character that isn't a god-level Force user, like Luke, Obi-Wan, Anakin-Vader, Palpatine, Windu and Rey.
My theory third sight
She had a Force vision dream, a lot like Ezra and other Jedi have. I feel like her time spent around Ahsoka, Ezra, Kanan and being on Lothal for so long have awaken some dormant Force sensitivity, but she doesnt have the ability to bend the Force to her will with any kind of Force abilities.
I love Sabine! So glad Dave is seeing her and Ahsoka’s story continue himself, seeing his vision come to fruition
She was created to be everything for women. She's A Mando, A rebel , An artist , a fashionista, A Jedi in training , puzzle solver, a speedster, she wielded the dark saber, She even defied gender norms by having a short haired bob look, colored armor and wacky hair like Holdo.
Nothing against the actress who was greatly casted, but unfortunately the character of Sabine is Disney's way to "Mary Sue" the Animated series to entice girly type females to be into Star Wars, as a way to overcompensate for the Gender gap that exists between Males and Females in Hero stories, especially SW. Did it work?
Instead of just limiting these attributes, they are piling a check list of qualities to put her character above all the others. No surprise that this is the one they will invest in and carry out her story . This is the SW Agenda intended by the scrappy female creators and producers at Lucasfilm.
In my opinion, This is the only character in Rebels that seemed out of place and has no vulnerability. She's off to a good start: like Reva she survives a mortal wound and heals rather quickly from it like it was just a scrape. Thats not vulnerability, its preposterous! We can see through this,
I like the show thus far 8/10 for many reasons reasons but the Sabine character from Rebels did not make sense in SW wars. The actress is very attractive but the Mary Sueness is very strong with this one.
A quick note on Sabine dreaming of Ezra:
Elsbeth says that she's been having dreams related to Thrawn, too. Which may be from Ezra.
Yeah, I doubt it would be Thrawn since he's got basically no connection to the force at all. How would he send messages in her dreams through TIME and space. I think there is a Sith or Dark Jedi baddy on that side of the Galaxy maybe.
Perhaps they are coming from Ezra because he might be in very close proximity. Maybe we just can't see his face...
„I was all the voices you heard in your head” 🫣
Sebine’s power slide on her speeder under the space ship was kind of a echo of when Ezra made that jump on his speeder and Kanan sensed his force ability from that. Maybe it’s a reach but there are parallels
Anyone else think the Witches of Dathomir are worshipping Abeloth as the Maiden, Mother, and Crone?
I'd assume they worship the first witch and if they don't then they did.
I remember something somewere about them worshipping 2 sibling gods. It's unclear if they are the nightsisters' take on the Son and the Daughter or if they are something else entirely, but I belive there was some pararellism that alluded to the 2 from Mortis.
Duuuuuuuuuuuude... Bwoom! 🤯
@manuelcorvi9240 I think this person looked for power on dathomire and became a witch. I'm not entire sure of elsbith origin. But she is obviously ties into dathomire for sure. Dathomire has the night sisters and the brother hood in it.
@manuelcorvi9240 the night sisters were against Jedi and sith Ali because of what one of the sith did to them while pretending to be a jedi. I know this has no correlation but.
Rebels episode -Wolves and a door- opening the temple- Is Sabine force sensitive clue: When Ezra and Sabine decode the mural, Ezra said that a master and an apprentice is needed to open the Jedi Temple door. Is Sabine force sensitive? Ezra (Master) and Sabine (Apprentice)?? I think yes!
Filioni likes the legends for inspiration… Tyria Sarkin of Wraith Squadron was a very little force sensitive and got turned down by Luke for training but unlocked it a bit over time and was eventually granted knight status by Luke.
why does nobody talk about the fact that in one of the trailers for this show we clearly see sabine doing lightsaber training with ahsoka using blinders like every other Jedi has before, as soon as i saw that i assumed that she had to be force sensitive
Could just be honing instincts, sure they'd be force aided, but not full on force abilities
It could very easily be Chirrut-level sensitivity. Not quite Jedi level, but still able to use the Force to enhance reflexes etc.
Another parallel you didn't bring up is the one between Sabine and Grogu. Grogu being a prodigious force user youngling that lost his home in the war now being raised as mandalorian by his somewhat of an outcast father figure; and Sabine, being a prodigious mandalorian that lost her home in the war now being trained as a Jedi by her somewhat of an outcast , maybe not mother figure, but certainly a big sister or mentor. Plus, both Dinn and Ashoka were reluctant to teach them in the first place. It's like poetry, because... You know the rest ;)
Sabine is stubborn to the point a lightsaber to the gut only knocks her out (Girl is too suborn to die).
I like the idea that she would be force sensitive if only a little. Her being force sensitive enough could be an interesting plot point.
I am one of the few that liked the Mediclorians explanation for the force. In my opinion it was like early science, many things were thought to be understood but were miss-understood or incompletely understood.
The me now says Mediclorians are a benchmark for how easy it is for someone to use the force.
In Rebels Season 4, Ep. 12 "Wolves and a Door"... As the group is passing through the hyper tunnel created by the Loth-wolves, there are images and voices being shown to Ezra through the Force.
Sabine is able to hear the voices. That indicates that she has a connection to the Force.
I like the idea of connection to the force but not force sensitive
@@fulcrum005yes anyone can tap into the force
She was created to be everything for women. She's A Mando, A rebel , An artist , a fashionista, A Jedi in training , puzzle solver, a speedster, she wielded the dark saber, She even defied gender norms by having a short haired bob look, colored armor and wacky hair like Holdo.
Nothing against the actress who was greatly casted, but unfortunately the character of Sabine is Disney's way to "Mary Sue" the Animated series to entice girly type females to be into Star Wars, as a way to overcompensate for the Gender gap that exists between Males and Females in Hero stories, especially SW. Did it work?
Instead of just limiting these attributes, they are piling a check list of qualities to put her character above all the others. No surprise that this is the one they will invest in and carry out her story . This is the SW Agenda intended by the scrappy female creators and producers at Lucasfilm.
In my opinion, This is the only character in Rebels that seemed out of place and has no vulnerability. She's off to a good start: like Reva she survives a mortal wound and heals rather quickly from it like it was just a scrape. Thats not vulnerability, its preposterous! We can see through this,
I like the show thus far 8/10 for many reasons reasons but the Sabine character from Rebels did not make sense in SW wars. The actress is very attractive but the Mary Sueness is very strong with this one.
@@donramon9723can I say something neither stab would have killed someone as the blades cauterize wounds. One a blade to the spine would kill someone
@@ked49 the were better off chopping off a hand or something similar to that. Instead they went with the trope that can inexplicably heal itself. And no real scar or stakes from that point. I understand it's Disney but that very idea has been heavily criticized and lucasfilm just went straight with it. poor writing. The show is ok but that was stupid. you will not hear the end of it from fan boys.
"The force resides in all living things"
Weird, I got the impression that Sabine was force sensitive. The Dark Saber connection and hyper alertness was what made me think that. A bunch of people just attributed that to her being Mandalorian
Also the spirits of the night sisters chose her to possess which could have imparted additional force energy upon her the same way Maul and Savage were enhanced by the force magic of the witches. And also confused her connection to the living force and the ability to harness it.
She was created to be everything for women. She's A Mando, A rebel , An artist , a fashionista, A Jedi in training , puzzle solver, a speedster, she wielded the dark saber, She even defied gender norms by having a short haired bob look, colored armor and wacky hair like Holdo.
Nothing against the actress who was greatly casted, but unfortunately the character of Sabine is Disney's way to "Mary Sue" the Animated series to entice girly type females to be into Star Wars, as a way to overcompensate for the Gender gap that exists between Males and Females in Hero stories, especially SW. Did it work?
Instead of just limiting these attributes, they are piling a check list of qualities to put her character above all the others. No surprise that this is the one they will invest in and carry out her story . This is the SW Agenda intended by the scrappy female creators and producers at Lucasfilm.
In my opinion, This is the only character in Rebels that seemed out of place and has no vulnerability. She's off to a good start: like Reva she survives a mortal wound and heals rather quickly from it like it was just a scrape. Thats not vulnerability, its preposterous! We can see through this,
I like the show thus far 8/10 for many reasons reasons but the Sabine character from Rebels did not make sense in SW wars. The actress is very attractive but the Mary Sueness is very strong with this one.
@@donramon9723ew. Don't like the way you phrased any of that.
@@donramon9723 My guy what? She only became a rebel after running away but she still hold on to her Mando roots, she a puzzle solver because she’s a good engineer as a Mando & it grew when in the academy, she speedster/pilot b/c she’s again a Mando. There’s no Mando that can’t that fly. You split these things into points but they really fall under one category, Mando, as subs. She’s artistic yes but that’s a character quirk. An example would be how Anakin & Plo love tinkering & like personalize the things they make. She wielded the Dark Saber but she never wanted to in the first place & hands over to someone else. She defied gender norms with bob cut hair, colored armor, & wacky hair color? What? Just what? She didn’t defy gender norms by having short hair, which 1st time we meet her was 50% a pixie cut, her like that b/c she’s a tomboy of which there are in SW. Her colored armor has nothing to do with gender norms either, she cuz she expresses herself through art & she personalized her armor to make it her own since it was old. Colored hair to defy gender norms? Bro she is an artistic teenage tomboy, changing of hair color pretty normal. And Mary Sue?!?!?!?? Captain Marvel from the MCU is a Mary Sue. Rey from the sequels is a Mary Sue. Sabine is not a Mary Sue. We seen her struggling, running, & losing in Rebels. If she was a Mary Sue none of that would be there & she wouldn’t have lost the times that she did. If she was a Mary Sue, she’d be a full blown Force user right now. If she was a Mary Sue she wouldn’t have gotten stabbed. You are applying the term Mary Sue incorrectly here. “No surprise that this is the one they will invest in and carry out her story” ? They are literally continuing where we left off at with her story in Rebels. “Scrappy female creators and producers at Lucafilm”? Rebels got created by 2 men & 1 woman & as for writers they only had 1 woman outta 13 & all the executive producers of the show were men. Sabine had no vulnerability….did we watch the same show? She had several moments of of vulnerability. A prime example is her being ostracized by her mother. I don’t like Reva, I will proudly admit that b/c her whole character was awful. A lot of characters do not work in Kenobi. However, Sabine is no where close to Sabine. As for Sabine’s wound, they make it very clear by pointing it out for all to see with their eyes where she was stabbed. The wound was straight through the under of her right ribs. No spine damage & severe organ damage unlike say Qui Gon. Reva should’ve 100% died cuz she got it in the gut & at a deadly angle & she isn’t trained to degree of Darth Maul to survive. Hell even the Grand Inquistor should’ve gone out in Kenobi, but this just goes to show the writing problems with that show. That part of about the actress, what did it do for the poor argument? Why? It creepy as hell
@@donramon9723what is this nonsense lol Sabine always had short hair and dyed her hair and armor different colors way before Holdo existed as a character
there is also dave filoni's love of referenceing the old republic stuff, in particular this could call back to KOTOR II, where in that you can make every non-droid companion a force user by bondeing with them, this is explaind as your infulence opening them up to being awair enough of the force to make use of it given the whole "everyone is connected to the force" thing, so this could be whats happening with sabine, the infulence that kanan, ezra and ashoka have had on her is 'awakeing' her ability to use the force
That’s what happened to Han Solo after time he gained very slight force sensitivity
I've been wanting more Star Wars content that explores the territory of lightly force sensitive. I've seen arguments that characters like Han Solo probably have a small amount of force sensitivity which explains his consistent dumb luck. I hope Sabine unlocks more force aptitude, but I also hope she's never brought up to the point where she can be a full jedi. I want to see them explore the middle ground.
Kanan said of Sabine, “The Force resides in all living things, but you have to be open to it.”
I really like the Sabine character, and if her being force sensitive means she'll feature more down the line in films or whatever then I'm cool with that.
@@CeraVe89 what on earth are u talking about? her family does care about her. if that was the case my dear. gar saxon would had given her death. her mom wouldnt care. do u all complain when a woman does it?
I'd like to see Sabine respond to Shin saying "You have no power" by simply stating "I don't need any, I'm wearing custom beskar", before turning the tables with pure Mandalorian badassery.
There's also the shot of the cup she was trying to move. The camera still stayed on it after she'd given up. I think she'll access the force out of a sheer need to defend herself. She may be blocked because she's so emotionally distracted by past events and her damaged relationship with Ahsoka. In spite of her impulsive nature, she doesn't really know how to be in the moment because she's so conflicted. That'll likely change when she's had the rematch that's coming up.
The " jedi" in A new jedi will rise" could be a collective noun ,as in " a new jedi order will rise", which then make it more plausible to refer to any ,and all of those possibilities.
As a huge fan of Rebels I always thought that Ezra's saying to Sabine "I'm counting on you to see this through" (which is also in the trailer of Ahsoka and heard in the first two episodes and repeated a few times in Rebels) has more information than the picture shows the eye. Maybe Ezra sensed some force sensitivity, some conflict in Sabine, but wanted her to be able to see it through on her own accords, to find her true self. Maybe her force-sensitivity will be the explanation for the given sentence.
I don't want Sabine using powerful force abilities like pushes and pulls or mind tricks but it honestly makes a lot of sense Mandalorians would over the generations cultivate a low level force sensitivity, things like improved reflex time, enhanced strength and minor precognition. It makes me wonder about Tar Visla again, I wonder if he also had a similarly limited connection to the force and was why he ultimately left Jedi. If he was mind controlling and throwing people around with his mind I feel like the Mandalorians would have just seen him as a Jedi to be defeated rather than a Mandalorian like them and fit to rule. I wonder if like Yoda said use the force only for defence, never attack that Tar brought that teaching to the Mandalorians and Bescar, only for armor never weapons.
@@mackenziebauroth4989 yeah but if high level force sensitivity happened on mandalor with any frequency they would have figured out how to exploit it in some way, like there would be a Mandalorian force tradition even if it had few practitioners. However the force does work through natural selection as well particularly in legends materials, like the ysalimiri that developed those anti force bubbles to deal with vornskers which them selves evolved a sort of force smell or species immune to force mind manipulation. Generations of Mandalorians fighting Jedi only the most successful will propagate likely leading to force augmented reflexes etc.
This actually makes a lot of sense, since having low level force abilities like precognition or enhanced reflexes would provide a pretty serious advantage in combat but might not come across as obviously force sensitive. Considering how much fighting the Mandolorians do and for how long they've been doing it, a natural selection that favors those with even weak force sensitivity could occur.
She was created to be everything for women. She's A Mando, A rebel , An artist , a fashionista, A Jedi in training , puzzle solver, a speedster, she wielded the dark saber, She even defied gender norms by having a short haired bob look, colored armor and wacky hair like Holdo.
Nothing against the actress who was greatly casted, but unfortunately the character of Sabine is Disney's way to "Mary Sue" the Animated series to entice girly type females to be into Star Wars, as a way to overcompensate for the Gender gap that exists between Males and Females in Hero stories, especially SW. Did it work?
Instead of just limiting these attributes, they are piling a check list of qualities to put her character above all the others. No surprise that this is the one they will invest in and carry out her story . This is the SW Agenda intended by the scrappy female creators and producers at Lucasfilm.
In my opinion, This is the only character in Rebels that seemed out of place and has no vulnerability. She's off to a good start: like Reva she survives a mortal wound and heals rather quickly from it like it was just a scrape. Thats not vulnerability, its preposterous! We can see through this,
I like the show thus far 8/10 for many reasons reasons but the Sabine character from Rebels did not make sense in SW wars. The actress is very attractive but the Mary Sueness is very strong with this one.
@@mackenziebauroth4989 we could defend the new SW sins all we want but that is a used up trope before we began this series. Going to it time and time again is not a good look for story writing.
they were better breaking a limb or a saber scar anywhere. they are trying to give her an arc and a low point to get her to be they main hero. wasn't that good.
Hey, I -love- the idea of the "Somehow Palpatine returned" shirt.... but it would be an insta-buy if it looked like the actual scene instead of Palpy being shocking.
"Somehow palpatine returned" and got Luke into the Dark Side, in the 1991-1992 comics "Dark Empire" that was seen as canon by many of us pre-sequel fans until Disney made them "Legends".
This is one of the funniest videos. Plus all theories are great! I love when you mentioned Morai, specially she painted it on her armor. One thing I don’t get, how if Ahsoka (I agree) is conflicted by the Jedi and attachments why would you take a padawan and teach her not only about the force but HOW TO BE A JEDI which she decides now she will be … weird
Ashoka denied taking grogu as an apprentice saying she wasn’t a Jedi. But took in Sabine
Now that I've been forced (hehe) to think about it, being force sensitive would explain something that's been bothering me since Rebels: A young Sabine building a armor-melting weapon all on her own, something that seemed highly unlikely. However we've seen this sort of (force-assisted?) mechanical aptitude in a young Anakin channeling the force to build droids and pilot star fighters. Whatcha think?
I actually forgot about this plot point since it’s so groundbreaking for Mandos - like the invention of the Death Star for all living people. Since it was done once, even when you destroy plans, it can be done again, you just need time and resources 🙈
I’m shocked nobody else has mentioned this, considering she did all that at the age of 13-14 ish
I am continuously astounded by the level of analysis you bring to EVERY one of these videos. I love watching Star Wars shows (even the not so great ones) and watching your analysis videos immediately afterwards has become part of the entire experience for me.
Thank you for adding to the Star Wars fun, team!
You hit every salient point and provide the best supporting examples to connect your thought process. Absolutely Brilliant job!! Thank you for sharing.
What are you talking about? Huyang literally says Sabine is one of if not the least force sensitive being he’s come across within his 1000+ years of being at the Jedi Temple
No he say’s her aptitude for the force. Not that she not force sensitive. Pretty obvious she isn’t ready until she’s ready….
Gotta get those clicks.
High five. *Pshhh*
Remember, the Jedi had a fairly high stanard in terms of force sensitivity on who would be trained in the Jedi Arts. There were many who were force sensitive, but not enough to be accepted into the Jedi Order. This would cause Huyang to have a Bias in his data set. People like Chirrut Imuwe from Rogue One would have never progressed far enough to meet him to begin with in the Republic Era Jedi.
Still doesn’t mean she can’t be a Jedi.
He may have been trying to motivate her.
I could go either way as well. I do think a lot of Ashoka's personality (or lack there of) now is because of her guilt around Anakin. We never really got to see her reaction or how she dealt with the fact of him now being Vadar after she learned it in Rebels. It's been many years, but she obviously is still carrying that guilt. Which is why I would SO love it to find out if Luke told her that he was redeemed in the end. Seems like he would have? Doesn't Ahsoka take place after Book of Boba Fett when Ahsoka and Luke are together?
This is what I'm been saying for a while now. If they do this right, and actually show us her journey, I wouldn't mind if she ended up very powerful in the force. Seeing how there is hardly any Jedi and Sith left. The force is wide open.
I really had a stance after TLJ that was, “as long as Palpatine isn’t the bad guy, I’m happy”. Like my bar was soooooo low…
this aged pretty well
I hope they bring the Bendu back for an episode in live action
It would be interesting for Ahsoka to meet the Bendu!
Here's George Lucas discussing the force in a meeting for what was known at the time as 'Revenge of the Jedi, with other members of the production team.
Kasdan: The Force was available to anyone who could hook into it?
Lucas: Yes, everybody can do it.
Kasdan: Not just the Jedi?
Lucas: It’s just the Jedi who take the time to do it.
Marquand: They use it as a technique.
Lucas: Like yoga. If you want to take the time to do it, you can do it; but the ones that really want to do it are the ones who are into that kind of thing.
Ive always preferred the idea that there's no "zero" on the force sensitivity scale. It connects everyone. I like the idea that there are "ones" and "twos" who just seem "lucky" or who "trust their gut".
It helps that Mandalorians are basically super-human in a more mundane sense. Having their "super soldier" reflexes, strength and afility goes a long way toward closing the gap with the literal psykers.
They are 3s
It is genuinely insane the amount of coping and hamster wheeling the people who are not fans of Sabine becoming a Jedi are doing after hearing him say Sabine's aptitude for the force falls short of all of the padawan he has ever known. They are STILL taking that to mean she isn't force sensitive. That's like an NBA coach saying to a rookie sitting on the bench of an NBA team "Of all of the NBA players I have ever known, your skills fall short of them all". They're still in the NBA. She's still training to become a JEDI. They are more willing to believe that one of the most talented force users in the Star Wars mythos decided to take on a padawan who can barely access the force. Meaning, in their logic, she's essentially just training someone to use a lightsaber, someone who has ALREADY received some basic training in this area. SHE IS LITERALLY HAVING FORCE DREAMS. Come on y'all
As soon as I heard Hyuang saying that her proficiency would fall flat of the others I took it as him recognizing her potential that she was wasting. "You COULD be stronger if you just fucking practiced" is how I took it
Mental gymnastics 😣
I understood it as „yeah, you have them midichlorians, but almost none” :D
@@pgkrzywy yeah, it's, "You are not nearly as proficient in the force as anyone else, but you can still make a great warrior with a saber" I mean, look at Djinn. He 1v1'ed Ahsoka (and would have lost) but still briefly fought her.
Proficiency vs potential- his words were carefully picked
great points! Feloni's use of a silent Bendu was eye-opening
This served as a fun and insightful review of so many possibilities. Great job all around! It got me ready better for more content than I otherwise might have.
She is already a character with amazing attributes. Giving her the force now after Rebels is not going to sit well with most people. That’s my guess.
That would mean most rebels fans didn't pay attention to kanaan said to hera
Active abilities yes, passive no
I'm fine with it, but I enjoy most of what Disney has added to the canon, Episode 9 not withstanding. If Lucas wanted to make these films for kids, I've got no idea why he turned it into a family soap opera with the Prequels. Broom boy from Last Jedi was the first step in fixing the force so that every kid with a stick can play Jedi. A mysterious, all encompassing force is a lot cooler than midichlorians. Sabine working hard to do some minor force moves should ultimately be good writing and lead to a good show, provided Filoni doesn't screw up on the Thrawn stuff.
I think I like these breakdowns more than the actual show!? ❤
I liked when Anakin’s force ghost said, “It’s Forcin’ Time!”
Ahsoka can read minds. She didnt torture anybody.
When sabine is deeaming, Ahsoka knows that she is about to wake because she is reading her mind
Sabine is Force Sensitive. The most definitive proof is in Rebels Ep (Wolves and a Door). When they travel on the wolves, hyper tunneling through Lothal, Sabine hears the voices. Only a force sensitive person could hear those voices.
Every ghost member is force sensitive except chopper. Hera described the force when talking about being drawn to flying.
@@CeraVe89everyone is force sensitive. Take the chiss they can only skywalk, the very ability Hera has that is how they will find Ezra.
It isn’t retconning it is interpreting. Y’all can be dumb sometimes
@@CeraVe89in legends a similar amount of people survived order 66.
Remember, the Jedi always says everything is “From a certain point of view.”
Maybe she just hasn’t unlocked her full potential in the Force, yet. Remember, the Jedi council only took initiate with a certain level of “M” counts. We really don’t know if she was tested for the “M” counts. Just like when Obi-Wan Kenobi turned himself off from the force and had to turn it back on maybe it’s similar for Sabine to do. Not exactly like Obi-Wan, but in similar ways. In the Obi-Wan series, 10 year old Princess Leah was not trained, but we do know she has a high level of “M” count because we all know who her biological father is. She was untrained, but she could read the mind of her cousins, I believe is the second chapter. Or maybe Asoka is not a good teacher like Caleb Dun was to Ezra. Honestly, it could be several different things, and I don’t think we will find out in this series, but probably would find out in a book or comic written between ROTJ and the Asoka series.
Anybody has any thought about theories that I propose? Did I miss something? Am I wrong about something?
I think being possessed by the spirits of the night sisters has clouded her connection to the living force...and possibly imparted some of the dark force magic used by the witches. Once she regains her connection she could have a decent power level the same way Savage was kinda weak and Maul was insane before the witches enhanced his their with their magic.
@@johnathanwalker8395 thank you. I never thought of that and I actually forgot about Savage oppress and the night sisters when speaking about Sabine. That makes total sense.
Excellent video. Thank you for your hard work
Sabine being weak in the Force is exactly why Ahsoka would train her. Someone weak in the force cannot become a Sith. But Sabine can pass on the martial arts teachings of Anakin.
Creating weapons at an early age, she may have force sensitive abilities in her
What if they’re, Sabine and Ezra, a Force Dyad and that’s why they have such a connection?
Plz pack ur things and go home.
Possibly. There are a lot of “power couplings” in the saga.
Yes, a sky walker would be the opposite of a bridger
Sabine will have third sight. The ability to navigate hyperspace. Thus she knows how to travel between two points in space.
A bridger would be someone who can travel between two points in time.
This video is FRICKIN' GOLD!!! Great work, ScreenCrush!!!
I think the placement was different for Qui-Gon, it went more in the middle where it bisected the lower vena cava and lower aorta and likely spinal column , Sabine's looks more off to the side damaging intestines, and other organs.
I always thought they should say that midichlorians are attracted to the force, more force power, more midichlorians. And you could say that's why the Jedi confused midichlorians with the actual force power.
Considering how much the sith could increase their power with rituals I would say that the number of midichlorians is more like the floor of force sensitivity, with the cealing being nonexistant.
The original intent from Lucas was apparently that Midichlorians are essentially Mitochondria, which exist in real life: they're symbiotic organelles that live inside of our cells, but have their own DNA.
For Lucas, the Midichlorians played a vital role in a person's connection to the force.
I like your interpretation however - that it's not because of them - they are attracted to strong force sensitivity. It avoids the highly problematic eugenic undertones of Force sensitive bloodlines.
Wild guess: Sabine will an unseen Force abilitie, something very rare that will justify her training. Think of this: Ahsoka refused to train Grogu, clearly a powerfull Force user. Why would she chose to make padawan something that wasn't Force sensitive at all ?
ahsoka won't train grogu because he's powerful and she thinks her training might be tainted by anakin's dark sidedness and won't risk it on someone as naturally powerful as grogu. She's got guilt on guilt on guilt.
Weapons mastery, luck, connection to Ezra,
and my guess sky-walking something she shares with Hera, cal, and a few others.
Because those are powers that people can use without the push and pull type force. And they are all passive abilities. That wouldn’t change much.
But sky-walking stands out. They are heading into uncharted space without a map. They need a skywalker, someone who can navigate hyperspace, or theoretically a Bridger someone who can connect two points through the world between worlds. Two opposites that attract.
Given I made up the meaning behind bridger. But it works
Honestly, I feel like Sabine has the potential to carry on old lightsaber forms to the next generation of Jedi, like Jason Sindula eventually. The lore is coming together before us.
And I wonder where exactly Jacen Syndulla will make his next appearance. Hopefully not at Luke’s temple 😅
@@pgkrzywy That would button up an otherwise promising Post-Imperial storyline, wouldn't it? 😅
Best over-all explanation I've seen so far; Thanks!
In Rebels, Sabine does some very impressive jumps that seem beyond "human".
And is a mechanical tinkerer which also seems to be aided by the force like pilots (intuition).
In Rebels (and your video) Hera and Kanan are talking and he says all living things have the force but she is not force sensitive and that she is cut off like most the Mandos
This would be correct
He does not explicitly state she is not force sensitive, he states that her mind is closed due to her stubbornness.
0:50 I could definitely be wrong, but I thought he was being facetious with her there--just playing into her self-pity-party to point out that she's the one telling herself she can't do it.
Edit: ah, you got to that point
Maybe this is Dave Filoni's way of introducing the idea that you don't need midichlorians to use the Force?
After all, there was a (very hard to find) interview with George Lucas and Irvin Kershner where they expand upon the Force (I think you might be able to find it in the book "The Star Wars Archives 1977-1983"), and in this interview they explain that ANYONE can use the Force, kind of like how technically ANYONE could learn martial arts. The Jedi are the ones that focus on it and hone the skill to the point where it is useful. They also explain that Yoda is not really a Jedi, he is more like a guru, someone who studies the Force but does not use it to fight.
Thrawn stuck in the unknown regions? Ezra is Marrok? Now this? SC/Ryan about to go 0/3 on Ahsoka predictions
I don't know what SC said about Thrawn, but he is in the Unknown Regions with the Chiss and probably Ezra. He's going to be a good guy.
Sabine is force sensitive. Huyang outright said it and she was using the same force echo power that's in the Respawn games in one or both of the episodes.
The Inquisitor being Ezra is dumb, though.
My guess is Barriss Offee is Marrok and not Ezra.
@@pepper5105no, that would be a dumb idea. There has been no hints that she is alive nor does she fit with the wolf theme. The most likely people are Caleb dune or quinlin Voss because they have connections to either wolves or the night sisters
Season 3 episode 10, Kanan and Sabine were both possesed by the spirits of dead Night Sisters which may have had some effect on her midiclorians.
That's also when Sabine found the dark sabre IIRC
I think a connection of Sabine commenting on the weight of the darksaber when training with Canaan, mirrors din repeating the same thing. There have been many wielders of the darksaber that have never mentioned that weight
People being surprised by her being force sensitive when it pretty obvious. Think by aptitude it was more she can’t really use the tricks we usually aspect but she can use passive ones. She a reverse Jocasta Nu, where Jocasta could had use Force abilities like the other Knights & Masters but not as great & she was decent with the saber. Sabine can’t move things but she can hear echoes, figure out complex puzzles like the star map, & help her predict her opponents moves in combat which she’s good at as a Mandalorian
Maul say Ezra on Malachor :
"Ezra, you where given your gift (force) for one reason, to use it.
Can i count on you ?"
Then Ezra say to Sabine: I'm counting on you - three times.
Once in a recorded message.
He is simply repeating what he learned from Maul.
Pre Vizsla was able to wield the Dark Saber and held his own against Obi-Wan, Sabine can do the same. I don't believe she's force sensitive, point blank, end of story. Anyone could be haunted by dreams of something they believe to be a failure on their part, such as her feeling she didn't save Ezra. If they make her force sensitive all the sudden I think it will take away from her awesomeness as a bad-ass Mandalorian. I really hope they don't give her force powers. Qui-Gon said, and Kanan reinforced, that the force resides in every living being, that doesn't mean she can wield it. At best she'd be able to feel things and have a strong sense of what's happening like someone who has a premonition that comes true. If they make her force sensitive it will deconstruct her already established character arc, and will be another retcon that will upset a lot of fans.
Visla aka related to the Jedi. As they both are. Meaning sensitivity is genetic like the force is in Star Wars legends
Sabine HAS to be more powerful than most Jedi. She took a lightsaber through her organ packed midsection and walked it off with barely a scab to show for it. Sabine must be MONSTROUSLY powerful.
She is a descendent of the first Mandalorian Jedi so she does have the family connection
Do you think Sabine is Force sensitive?
maybe a little bit but i don't think we will see her using the force
Maybe in the way Leia is
There's no way she'll survive the next duel with Shin without force . Or they will take it with them a mobile hospital with spare body parts. 🤓
No because of what Huyang said?
No if you watched the show Huyang described it perfectly.
If Sabine wasn't force-sensitive, Ahsoka would never have begun training her as an apprentice. As I see it, the only question is HOW sensitive is she? I have a feeling Sabine will end up fighting Marrok, discover that he is Ezra, and then have some kind of Force-breakthrough that lets her get through to Ezra to break his conditioning. Or not. We shall see.
Well, even though Ahsoka is a force user she's no longer a Jedi so probably the training for Sabine will be different. And just in case Sabine is not force sensitive, her training will be more about combat and to let her senses flow not necessarily being about using the force.
I really, really don't think Marrok is Ezra. But there surely is a reason his face is covered and that will be exciting when it's revealed!
I agree that she is force sensitive - Huyang comment and her being Padawan all but confirms it but with
> the only question is HOW sensitive is she?
Huyang says that almost non at all for me.
> Sabine will end up fighting Marrok, discover that he is Ezra
that’s what I am thinking, too
@@najtrowsfrom first two episodes alone perspective Ezra is only one character that could be hiding behind the mask - but since it’s essentially Rebels S05 it could be anyone from Maul (somehow he also returned!:P) to Disney’s Galen Marek (as a half-brother of Ahsoka.. from a certain point of view).
Or maybe Marrok is not a male and that’s how we meet Mara Jade since she was a key player in Thrawn novels 🤭
@@pgkrzywyYes please, for Mara! Or Bariss Offee.
I honestly think everyone is missing the verbiage used. Aptitude is your ability to use it, not how force sensitive you are. Same in real life, or dnd. Intellect vs wisdom. Knowledge you can learn, and ability to use the knowledge at your disposal. I think she's actually very strong in it, but lacks the capability to unlock her own capabilities. But will . Anyways... yea Aptitude is different from how sensitive to force she is. Just her ability to use it.
Also to addon i think even if shes lightly force sensitive it sets up her and grogu perfectly. For us old folks, freak and the mighty. Someone strong physically vs mental and someone mentally unique but physically frail. Both mandalorians. Both force sensitive. One my physical mandalorian, one more force jedi. It really is a perfect balance. And just enough force ro make them a team who can communicate through creeds.
Well, when you put it that way....I'm totally on board with Sabine being FS!
I'd really prefer if Sabine weren't Force sensitive.
I kind of love the idea of Ahsoka taking on a non-Force sensitive Padawan. It's new, something unexpected. I just don't know why she would?
I think it's just a done-deal that Sabine has the Force, but "very weakly connected" - at this point the reveal would be if she wasn't, since they've all but come out and said directly "She has the Force." None of what happened in Episodes 1 & 2 of Ahsoka really makes sense if she's not sensitive.
I will say, I think most of the "hints" from Rebels are extremely far reaches. The Bindu's glance and the Space Owls landing are probably the strongest - everything else requires a lot of supposition and unconfirmed theorizing about how the force operates.
But I honestly think if the Rebels "hints" are in any way real, it was more of a "leaving the door open to explore later, potentially" than a master plan culminating in the Ahsoka series with Sabine being Force Sensitive.
The way it was handled in Ahsoka was just so out of left field that it strikes me as a later decision that people are working to retroactively fit into the pre-existing shows.
I 100 percent agree with you on many of what you have said. I could not have put it so eloquently. She could have a minor aptitude for it, which could be Ahsoka intent on taking her on. Someone who with little to no real power and doesn't crave or seek it will truly value it through earning it with blood and sweat (not entirely literal).
Great video Ryan
Obviously y’all didn’t watch Rebels
Excellent analysis. My thoughts exactly.
it would be cool if Ashoka took the time to explain that not all 'jedi' were knights, some didn't have the force abilities to be good duelists, that's why they became temple guards, diplomats, educators, or advisors. They might have other strengths in the force. It reminds me of a conversation in the Harry Dresden novels, where some wizards just don't have the power to be warriors, but they can still be useful in areas the warriors may not.
Good video, I agree with you Ryan. Not to mention that with her artistic and mechanical aptitudes, Sabine would be considered "gifted and talented." And often times in Star Wars, GT = force sensitive
Honestly, I've been screaming at all these people that say she isn't and shouldn't be force sensitive. Pretty sure if you watched Rebels, you seen all of this stuff.
I like how they are handling Sabine and the force. It's made very clear that she is NOT force sensitive. But Ahsoka firmly believes that even the non force sensitive can learn to wield the force. At least to some extent.
So I have an observation here regarding Qui Gon Jinn dying from Maul's Stab, yet perceivably weaker force users are being stabbed and they seem to just shake it off... For awhile, especially in Kenobi, I was very annoyed with this. But now, I'm actually shifting my perspective. If we can temporarily put down our pitchforks and torches, there is a bit of "accuracy" happening here with Sabine's wound, and possibly others as well. Qui Gon gets hit in the heart. The Front camera shot of him, you can't really tell, but when the camera flips to his back side, there are definitely major organs (lungs and heart) being significantly damaged, if not completely destroyed. Sabine's stab is off to the side of her gut, and I think that was a very intentional play of Filoni and whoever choreographed the fights for Ahsoka. There is data out there that tells us gunshot victims who are shot in the abdomen area are 88.3%-97.3% likely to survive, the difference being pre existing health conditions, or major organs being damaged. That's in the real world. We are in SW. So I think we can make a case for most of these first hand head scratchers, like The Grand Inquisitor (He used the dark side to stay alive, just like Maul did as well, and he was stabbed in the gut where Maul was severed in half lol) Kylo (was healed by a randomly OP power by Rey, but he was healed nonetheless using the Force ) and now Sabine (her wound and its placement doesn't seem majorly consequential) . Reva is just ridiculous, we don't see where she is stabbed as a youngling, but she got stabbed by the goat himself twice. The first time His Lightsaber was probably bigger than her body. That's dumb af. But, just because that one is stupid, that doesn't mean that anytime someone survives a stab wound should be written off and treated as the same thing as Reva. If it can actually be explained using the mechanics of the "power system" regarding the SW galaxy or now (ies?) and/or just real world accuracies and possibilities, then I think it's justifiable... However, I do think Sabine healed really fast, to fast in fact, but I'm hoping that it can be explained later in the story, like maybe Sabine''s one strength in the Force is healing, or more likely than not, that droid who has trained Jedi for a couple centuries at the very least, knows how to treat Lightsaber wounds efficiently and quickly. If you have read this far, thank you. And I will take anyone else's opinion, wanna see who else feels the same at all, or not at all, or who are even in the middle.
Filoni is the Easter egg king. He even said that episodes dismissed by viewers might be the most interesting/important. He encouraged that we keep watching bcoz there's always a payoff down tne line as the story progresses (may not be verbatim, but that's pretty much the gist of it). Anyway, Sabine is a descendant of Tarre Vizsla. And if I learned anything watching star wars, force sensitivity doesn't always get passed down from one generation to the next. Unless you're the direct offspring of the chosen one, Anakin Skywalker, or from the Yoda species. Otherwise the force sensitivity gene seem to skip generations. That's why it's rare from almost all other races/alien species, like Mandalorians & Wookies. It seems those inducted into the Jedi Order are dominated by the human species from various races/planets. So if Tarre Vizsla's "force gene" skipped hundreds of his lineage and decided to reappear during Sabine's conception, then it makes sense. Now I'm wondering, is Kanan & Hera's son, Jacen force sensitive? I'm looking forward to finding out.
Yes the kid is force sensitive, he has two force sensitive parents.
Hera is definitely force sensitive and that is why she had such a bond with Caleb. She also described the force when talking about how she was born to fly
Many thanks for this insightful video!! About time we had a force user who isn't OP - just an anime character who's super power is never giving up kinda thing.
This theory makes the most sense. During the Dark Saber saga I felt Kanan was not only training her to use the saber, but open her up to the force. This Ahsoka series is amazing!!
Every one is Force Sensitive, it's just a matter of How force sensitive you are Most people are not sensitive enough to matter, some have a bit of the Mojo where others have a lot, those are the ones that end up being Jedi (and other Force Users).
"The line must be drawn here!" I love the Trek reference in a Wars video! Also, Ryan NEVER let that Palpatine line go! It was trash and they should pay eternally.
I liked the video when Ryan showed the SOMEHOW PALPATINE RETURNED TSHIRT hahahhahah
I think being stabbed with a light saber is comparable to being stabbed with a sword. You can survive it but depends on where and how soon you can get medical help.
I think in part 1 around 32:30 to 32:50 when she is handed the star map you hear a sound a sound that they used in rebels to kind of symbolize force powers/abilities. But for Sabine the sound is not as loud as it was for Ezra
The Mandalorian are leaderless with none of them having claimed the dark saber or tamed the Mythosaur. Grogu is too little and will take yrs before he is ready to rule. I think this might be their way of getting a new Tarre Visla by making her force sensitive. She's gone through the struggles, has the intellect, and now to add force sensitivity would make her a prime candidate to rule Mandalore.