Matriarch vs. Grandmother // New Features in Moog Matriarch
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TIMELINE:
0:50 What’s new?
3:20 CV to CC
5:00 Param ctrl
6:15 Bird’s eye vs.
7:00 Grandma pros
8:45 Detailed vs.
9:45 Mod & utils
11:30 Osc & VCFs
14:30 Env & delay
17:10 Misc
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You asked for it, you got it! Here's my video with plenty of eurorack pairing ideas for Matriarch: czcams.com/video/IXt2Trk89W4/video.html
so I gotta ask about Grandmother's accent... because neither this nor the other video actually explains WHAT it does, and the Grandmother review only shows it play... one note or something. So what's up with that? What does it do? How does it compare to the Matriarch? Can you tell us please? I searched far and wide, and not ONE video shows what it actually does.
Loopop, I ABSOLUTELY want to see that whole video on pairings!
me 2!
Same
Absoyesplease. Maybe with a focus on other semi-modular synths like the mother-32, dfam, erebus, neutron, 0-coast, etc as the pairing partners?
Possibly also worth a mention: Art Kerns' "midiLFOs" and Bram Bos' "Rozeta" iOS apps as MIDI based companions?
syrupcore also a great idea. i have these ones but the nannys
I would absolutely love to see a video on modular systems around the matriarch
I love watching your videos because you show so much passion while doing your reviews!
Two excellent synths. I’ve got a Matriarch on pre-order and am eagerly awaiting it. It’s a winner for sure. The basic sound is so lovely and it’s super flexible.
As someone who has been using both side by side I’ve gotta say they are different enough that one isn’t necessarily better than the other. And if I could have only one it would probably be the grandmother. The gma is just so immediate and easy to use-it’s the ultimate go-to analog machine for leads and bass and plucky sounds. The Matriarch feels like more of a machine for wild sonic experimentation.
Minus the spring reverb, the Matriarch is capable of doing everything the Grandmother is capable of.
It’s not a nice sounding spring reverb, anyway …
@@kierenmoore3236 Good to know. One thing I found out. You can get a real spring reverb pedal for around $150.
Awesome! Thank you for the side by side comparison.
Once again, an excellent review. I own a Grandmother and absolutely love it. You are right to point out that it is a good Eurorack front end, because that is how I use it. Now, thanks to your videos on the Matriarch, I think this would be a great add to my studio, even my live rig.
Your videos have been a great source of information and inspiration as I've been wiggling through my modular journeys, thanks for putting so much time and effort into helping so many folks out! By far turn to your info vids the most when I'm looking for a solid look into something. Just picked up a grandmother and discovered (quite joyously!) that you now (at least since firmware version 1.1.0) CAN disable the arp's top/bottom note repeats! You have to do it via a sysex message which can be a little confusing if you haven't dabbled with them before and isn't something you can just change back and forth on the fly. Wanted to point it in case anyone else had submitted themselves to not having that capability! The particulars are in the firmware update notes since 1.1.0! Enjoy the arpy goodness! 😊
Thank you! Very informative and thorough demonstration! I own a Moog Grandmother, and quite happy with it. I’ve been looking forward to see how the Matriarch compares.
Yes please! I own both of these synths and would love to see what modules you think go well with it mr Loopop!
I'd love to see that video on pairing Matriarch with modular units!!!
I, for one, would be interested in interesting pairings of the Matriarch and Euro modules.
Hell yes!Better if Moog did the unthinkable and made a Eurorack friendly Moog! Oh my!
It would be amazing to get some advice on this as I am just about to jump into Eurorack for my Grandma and DFAM
Yes-I would ALSO love to hear more about good pairings. I have a Matriarch and a Grandmother and am excited to get going with Eurorack pairings with them.
Fantastic video, thanks so much! I was going to get Matriarch but ended up getting Grandmother instead (with Chase Bliss Mood and Strymon Volante pedals). I'm very happy with that decision - it sounds awesome paired up to a Mother 32. I am still tempted by Matriarch though, so I'm very grateful you have made this video on their differences.
Great comparison of two excellent synths!
Excellent as usual! Thank you for teaching us about important things. Your educational skills are extraordinary! :-)
The keyboard tracking allows for some interesting and sometimes surprising results in paraphonic modes. It caught me out to begin with, but now I’ve got the idea, I’m very glad they put the knob on the Matriarch. :-)
Would love to see that video on parings - perhaps on finding a nice 60HP setup to stick in a Moog case? Or in one of those Intellijel 4U palette cases?
Yeeessssss more Loopop!
Your reviews are very special and educational!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👋🏼
you are doing very good work !! also you have very good voice that makes people to listen. also you are explaining everything exactly what people looking for. will order your book and thank you you help lots of people
Thanks!
Very useful comparison, thank you!
Perfect video. Thanks!!!
a pairing video would be amazing!
Great comparison thank you! I like your videos your videos very much, so clear and intelligent
This is Awesome! 😍
Thank you!
Great video, thank you!!
Cold Mac, eh? Would LOVE to see a video from you on this elusive multitool! Something like you did with Maths.
You never let me down!
This is awesome! The Befaco VCMC CV to MIDI Converter is worth getting to use with my GM and Matriarch. Thank you!
Nice job u did here! Tnx❤️
I also want to see a whole video on pairings with other devices/modules. I'm wondering if my Sherman Filterbank will be a useful tool with the Matriarch? Or my Keystep? I also have cv and gate outs from my Avalon Bassline. Hmmm?
I have just received Matriarch and already have Grandmother. Right out the gate I know they are going to be used differently. For instance, I enjoy keyboard tracking the modulation on grandmother to get a biting clavichord lead tone that doesn’t sound the same on Matriarch because for some reason, the pitch modulation tracks the root tonic better on the Grandmother. But Matriarch will reveal its secrets to in time. Both excellent instruments.
Still have both?
You must update us Mr. Gulag.
An iOS editor for live performance and in the studio seems like a no brainer so the cc midi access is controlled by a dedicated app to accomplish the same things like what IK did with the uno synth! iOS also has the Moog system 15 for sequence and arp stuff an app which I have used with grandmother. And apps are even cheaper than modular as well as regular plug-ins. And desktop or laptop computers are still way too clunky for me.my computer is my iPads /pro / air. And I refuse to go backwards after all the work I have gotten done with synths and iPads. You are a god of quality information my brother thank ya! My matriarch is arriving any day now...Peace Christo 👽🐕🎶🛸☮️💀🙏
OMG...The Thumbnail is GOING TO BREAK THE INTERNET!!!!
I gotta find more money....anyone hiring???
I know, right? 😂😂😂
The mighty JohnG! I got my headphones on for your jams.
I sold a BUNCH of stuff. I got the Grandmother last year and absolutely loved it. i sold almost all of my Arturia Synths, all the volca stuff I had and some guitar pedals. I basically will just have my DAW and Moog synths and pedals.
I've got an arm i don't need anymore
@@theshyguy1580 But how will you control the modulation and pitch bend? Just get rid of a leg.
Thanks for all the regular content. Matriarch is starting to feel like the Roland System 100 for the 21st Century.
That's a good analogy. I own and use a full system (including the speakers and the mixer), and have to say that the matriarch has more features. Soundwise, they're different for obvious reasons (the filter) and less obviously, the system 100 has no custom or regular I.C.'s in it..it's literally all true analog.
More like a new mono/poly. Matriarch will however replace both my syst100 and monopoly.
Is it possible to sequence another synth via cv gate or use the arpeggiator while playing Matriarch separately/independently?
Would love it if you could do a second 'patch ideas' or just 'cool sounds' video for Matriarch and Grandmother!
you should make another video about the grandmother!
I love both of them. :)
Please tell me I need both. Please. Just say “they are completely different and you need both”.
Me from the future: I have both now and I regret nothing. The Matriarch gives me everything I wished the Grandmother had. With the exception of the spring reverb tank, you won’t be losing out on anything by just getting the matriarch. However, if you have the Grandmother and want to add the super-dupermother to your collection, they have an incredible synergy that adds a lot. If you can, pick up the Matriarch. It’s magic.
I’m fortunate to have a Matriarch, but my hand does sometimes stray over to the empty space to the right of it...
I’d be keen to hear how you are using them together. :-)
Don't forget the Subsequent 37... you need this too. And the Moog One.
Brain4Zombie shhhhhh don’t say that. Please. Please don’t say that. My wallet has been through so much.
@@andrewnibbi i will take em both also. Does the gmother sounds phatter and darker? While the matriarch more aggressive?im asking for my techno minimal projects where angry phatt and dark is always welcome. Anw we dont use so much 'polyphony' in underground minimal tek
How about a video demonstrating integration with the patch bays of the Dreadbox gear?
awesome again. These are apples and oranges. Loopop, give us a video on fruity pairings please.
Dang you're good! I'm definitely a beginner. I heard Cory Henry playing the sub 37, and it blew my mind, seriously. I ordered it immediately. . Prior to that, I had zero interest in synths. Now I'm hooked, and was curious about these two as well. I like them both, but the Matriarch reached me the most of the two. Good lookin out on the word to beginner's.
No spring reverb on the Matriarch? I think that's a deal breaker. That reverb is so cool.
@loopop Is it possible to utilize the Grandmothers spring reverb but playing only through the Matriarch ? I was considering purchasing a GM and to use its modules as an extension of Matriarch, if possible to do so.
yes it's possible, but a bit of a same because the reverb is mono and Matriarch loves to be in stereo
Hi, great reviews from you thank you.
What software use to show waveforms and spectrum??
Thank you a lot
Thanks! I use MOscilloscope and MAnalyzer by a company called Melda - they’re free with some limitations in the MFreeFXBundle
It would be cool to see the Zoia Euroburo programed to control perimeters on the Matriarch. Maybe when the Zoia Euroburo released?
I'd love to see a video pairing Matriarch or Grandmother with Mother 32
Those 2 or the subsequent37? I feel subsequent sounds better and looks more high quality build also
pairings please loopop, :)
OMG I love all your videos. Owned and loved Moog synths for a while but always lamented at the limited but beautiful waveforms and glad to finally see FM. I believe the answer is no, but cant confrim that the filter POLE characteristics (1-4) cannot be changed as in the 25 and 37s. THATwould make these PERFECT. Can you confirm?
Thanks! Indeed unfortunately the pole characteristics can NOT be changed in these like they can on 25/37
Sorry for the unrelated comment, but I love your videos and am curious if there is some free/cheap software for my Mac OSX that I can run my Moog Grandmother through in order to visualize the waveforms, shapes, harmonics, etc? I've noticed some visualizations in your videos and curious what you would recommend. Thanks!
Mark Clements Hi, I use MOscilloscope and MAnalyzer by a company called Melda - they’re free with some limitations in the MFreeFXBundle. Occasionaly I’ll use scopes by VCV
@@loopop Cool thank you. What software do you run the plug-ins into? I am using garageband, however, it will only display one plugin at a time and I would ideally like to see the MOscilloscope and MAnalyzer at the same time.
Salute! Which Eurorack cases are those with the Decksavers on? 42hp I imagine.
They’re Moog 60hp synths / cases
Matriarch is a Fatar TP9 keybed, which the should have used on the Moog ONE, instead of the TP8s.
"No robot will ever patch cables for you" Please don't give Silicon Valley any ideas.
It's an extra long Grand Mother with more features!
a huge different is that Matriarch can retrigger the envelope? GM cant do this and its quite annoying when it goes silent when you are playing
Any recommendations for a midi controller that can store groups of cc values as presets? I have a Keith Mcmillen softstep that I bought to control my Clusterflux, but I'm looking for something that's easier to use, or doesn't need software. The ultimate goal would be to save/send groups of cc's to save the essence or variations of patches on my GM synth, or my Clusterflux.
And by GM, I mean Grandmother, not General Midi
I have a Grandmother, I would love to have a Matriarch in the future. I don't know if I should sell my GM or keep it and use it as a Matriarch expansion (since I don't have any eurorack modules). I haven't found too much info on the Internet about pairing both synths together, maybe I have to do my homework on semi-modular synthesis.
I’m wondering the same. If you’ve discovered anything in the time since your comment please enlighten us!
@@Victor-ul4qq I ended up sending back the GM to Thomann and exchanged it for a Matriarch paying the difference in price. I don't regret it, loved the GM but the Matriarch is the GM on steroids.
@@TinoFiumaraBeats thank you so much for the reply. That is extremely helpful and I’m so glad you got yourself your proper set up!
Do you miss the Grandmother's spring reverb when playing on the Matriarch, or does the Stereo Delay make up for it?
Personally, while I love the spring, i didn’t miss it - I don’t think it would add much to the longer stereo delays which I tend to gravitate to with Matriarch. It would probably be nice with short punchy delay times though
I just got the Matriarch and have found that it's actually pretty easy to get a reverb sound out of the stereo delay.
09:30 "Stranger Things" mode, lol :D
Does the oscillators are the same in the Grandmother and the Matriarch (Minimoog oscillators style or another Moog oscillator)??
I was only able to afford a used Grandmother, which I love! But that Matriarch sure does have me drooling! One day... she will be mine, oh yes, she will be mine.
Hi. I want to see a whole video for pairings.
I just bought a Grandmother- it's in the mail. This will be my first trip into semi-modular synths. The one thing I REALLY wish it had was the delay module the Matriarch has.
Is there a way to bring in a delay mod to work in the ecosystem of the Grandmother?
Thanks
Yeah I wish they’d sell that standalone, it’s fantastic
@@loopop any thoughts on a stand-alone delay option to introduce into the signal flow?
Probably a guitar pedal. There are analog ones out there, and stereo ones. Daniel Fisher’s Grandmother demo for Sweetwater has him using one - see what you think.
Moog made a limited run of Moogerfooger delay pedals, but they are super expensive second hand now.
Is there any way to damage the synths by randomly playing with patching ? The manual shows different voltages for different input/outputs.
I've wondered the same thing.
really want to know this also. just ordered a Matriarch and I want to know how to behave
Great video, Mr. Pop. I'm loving my GM and have been considering grabbing a Matriarch. The pending release of the Poly D has me hesitating for now. I'm confident that either would be competent enough to serve our purposes, though there are factors the give me pause with each. The obvious "value factor" comes into play while considering the Poly D. But I do really like the idea of partnering the Matriarch with the GM and the Mother 32. Thanks again for this resource. I'm sure I'll come to a decision that I'll be happy with... eventually.
I own a moog matriarch, grandmother, and Sound Studio 3, for over a year, but I'm still struggling to understand what the patch points actually do and HOW to use them. And I don't find the user manual to be much help. Any recommendations for learning resources?
dude just stick cables from the outs to the ins and experiment, its awesome!
I notice you've got the grandmother's volume pretty much dimed to match the volume of the grandmother which is half way up at most...I noticed something similar comparing my matriarch to a friend's grandmother. Is there a reason for this? The three major differences I noticed (besides the obvious stuff regarding reverb vs delay, four oscillators vs two etc) was the grandmother had more gain, a more pleasant sounding white noise to it, and the oscillators sounded just a hair bit better, warmer, more of that classic Moog gooey tone. Im still super stoked I've got the matriarch, but it makes me feel like I need both. Anyone else notice this?
I was using a pre-production model here, so I never measured the difference (I gain match when I edit the video anyway). Regardless, it would be interesting if anyone else with experience with both comments
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When is, the Mother in law out 😂
I already kicked her out, that meddlesome shrew. In fact, I'll pay anyone to keep her far from me. :D
It's gonna be a collaboration with Sequential, half Oberheim, half Matriarch.
Loopop sorry for the unrelated q, but what is that moog synth with the sliders on the rack?!?!?! next to the dfam and the mother 32
It's the engineer workshop Spectravox - made a video about it on the channel
i'd love a robot that connects my patch cables
I have a knock off Behringer Meemaw for sale. Asking 120 obo.
My $600.00 used Mother is great . My first patch " Forbidden Planet "
The way you said "Hi", made me think you would end the sentence with "i'm Hainbach".
Hopefully that’s a collab that’s in the stars, but until then, it’s good to have you back!
Is there anything (other than the spring reverb) that the Grandmother can do that the Matriarch can't? As in, can you get every sound on the Matriarch you can on the Grandmother plus more?
Be cheaper and smaller? No extra sounds on Grandmother to my knowledge
Are these able to self-tune?
Thanks¡¡
My grand dad have one, im using Opsix, Moodwave, Wavestate
Is there a way to use multiple sequencers on the Matriarch (say with a Keystep Pro)?
with CV yes
@@loopop With the KeyStep Pros Gate connected to the (Amplitude) Envelope Trigger seems to work, but that CV controls the entire synth.
Is there a way to individually use the oscillators? Something to that effect would be cool to see.
Anyways your videos are the most informative synth videos out there. I appreciate you. Best wishes.
You can control the CV of each oscillator separately with CV. So a Keystrp pro could run 2 different sequences. :-)
@@dude65535 I went ahead and connected my KeyStep Pro via MIDI and Decoupled the oscillators via the manual's MIDI section. Each oscillator is triggering paraphonically (from OSC 1-4). If I wanted to patch the CV Gate Out from the Keystep Pro to the Matriarch I can control Pitch, Pulse Width Modulation, and Lin FM. The CV Gate In can go through the Amplitude ASDR which triggers the entire Matriarch (in tandem) paraphonically. So those are the ways I figured out. I'm thinking, depending on when the sequences trigger the oscillators might swap around a bit, making complete control of one oscillator not an option.
You lucky b*****d lol. Do you actually buy all of your synths or are they loaners? I just ordered my Grandmother today, and can't wait to order my Matriarch as soon as it's available locally. Btw I really enjoy your videos, been lurking for a while. I can't get enough of the Grandmother / Matriarch vids tbh. They're both in a class of their own.
Thanks for the kind words except the **** ;) There was a cost to these but not retail, and yeah, regardless I have to admit I'm quite fond of my "job" and these synths - honestly also because of lurkers like you who do drop by every now and then and say something nice
The best reviews and tutorials are yours. But this bunch dedicated to Matriarch and Grandmother, all 3 of them, just rule
On this video it literally looks to be almost twice the size of the Grandmother. But the specs says it's on 11" larger. at 32" wide. Is it only 32" wide?
I didn’t measure it but the overhead shots should be pretty accurate
I own a Krog Wavestation EX and would love to have a Moog synthenzier. They sound so futursitic and programming is not required!
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DJ DIGITAL ??????
The grandmother let me down in so many ways, grounding issues, firmware updates, I still preordered the matriarch tho, moog you abusive lover!
Paul Mina Storm ??????
Does the eg have legato settings? I have to know!!!!!!
Matriarch does. Multi-trig button
1:30 giant Moog
Sounds fucking amazing. Would love to own either. Incredible sound. That's it! I'm selling a kidney whilst it's still worth something ;-)
I now have both, and it’s like they were meant to be together. 😳🙏🏾
Andddddddd now, back to the mono synths!
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pairings video for matriarch please!
Can we still get a pairings video ?
+1
Where do I go for more loopop audioscapes? The intro music was delicious!
Thanks so much! I've started putting these together for an album and will release when I have enough - please give me around 8 weeks ;)
@@loopop Fantastic news and looking forward to it. Your synth showcases, like in the DFAM/Mother32 vid, always sound so nice. I'm a huge sucker for mile-wide soundspheres with a bit of arp for structure. :)
yeah me too :)
I am so not technical but I watch anyhow. I would set the Matriarch to a bass patch and leave it, a $2000.00 bass patch.
What happens if I run the Grandmother through the Matriarch?
Moog has always made quality synthesizers albeit with weird names 🤔
Such a rogue comment
@@dr.feelicks2051 I see where you source that from.
@@dr.feelicks2051 you sound like you're a Taurus ♉🤔 and probably drive a Mini the model D.. D being the diesel version 🤔 but I'm not in the Moog to listen to anymore of this Poly follie stuff if my Memory serves me well, I hear you've been eating too much, put on weight and some say you're a Little Phatty now? 🤔 You can always join a group and call yourselves the Liberation party! Hold on a Minitaur, I hear your Mother's 32? Subsequent 37ley you could always become Sub Phatty if you diet. I hear you got a job and your Werkstatt-01 One week ago? 🤔
Zac Dior -AFTER all that, Touché...however...I must point out your mistake, I drive an MG
Just kidding, too young to drive....I'm a child Prodigy
P.S.-Bob's your Uncle
@@dr.feelicks2051 I wish he was my uncle, he would of passed all his knowledge and secrets over to me. I would then make a synth called the Moogie Woogie 😉