Vegan Kids are Malnourished and Stunted? (New Studies!)
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- čas přidán 5. 06. 2024
- One type of negative comment I receive relates to my children and their diets. I’m frequently told that feeding my kids vegan is unhealthy, even child abuse. Supposedly kids can’t possibly get the nutrients they need from plants alone, so vegan kids are inherently malnourished.
But what does the science say? Are vegan kids more likely to be malnourished? Lucky for us, TWO separate reviews on vegan kids just came out. Let's have a look!
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0:00 Intro
2:56 Calories
3:09 Protein
3:28 Omega-3's (ALA & DHA)
4:08 Vitamin A
5:11 B12
6:13 Vitamin D
6:31 Iron
7:29 Iodine
7:37 Calcium
8:48 Selenium
8:51 Height
9:34 Limitations
12:06 Choline?
12:35 Supplements, f**k yea
13:41 All diets have issues
16:01 Conclusion
17:43 SO MANY STUDIES!
19:24 Outro
20:30 (vegetarians?)
21:15 (halloween)
THAT'S MY PAPER! :) thanks for sharing my study on thiamine production using yeasts! :D I a glad you are taking the time to look through scientifc papers and shared your ideas about them! thank you!
So exciting that there's an increase in vegan studies.
@@MdoubleHB.xit’s a miracle we are all still alive 😂
@@MdoubleHB.xeating a raw plant based diet is the reason why “ex-vegans” exist and why veganism itself is being blamed. we are scientifically proven to be OMNIVORES however we can veganize an omnivore diet by replacing any animal protein with plant based protein
My 12 year old vegan daughter is thriving. She is 5/3 has reached puberty on schedule. She is not underweight. She is very intelligent. All bloodwork comes back consistently perfect. I do give her a sublingual B12 supplement even though I probably don’t need to. We eat a wide variety of multicoloured fruits and vegetables. We have flax chia and hemp on our oatmeal. We eat beans and tofu. Lots of greens. She has junk food sometimes. There is no problem with a vegan being healthy.
Happy to see a study from Finland 😁 veganism and vegetarianism are rather popular here, although hunting is also common and so there seems to be two loud groups fighting about what to feed our kids at school (as the school lunch is free and for everyone) and food in general. In my former high school the vegetarian option is first and meat second and meat is only served on certain days. It was easy to give up meat in high school because of that, and I've been vegetarian for six years now 😁 I enjoy the availability of vegetarian and vegan options in restaurants and grocery stores: for example, we have had a vegan burger in mcdonalds for years now and it is delicious!
I agree. My dad actually went vegan a couple of years ago, thanks to all of the climate-conscious literature that's been published.
Fishing as a leisure activity us extremely integrated to our culture, especially in rural areas. It's way more acceptable for me to be vegan in a bigger city (Tampere) than in a smaller, more rural city (Lohja) for example, although there are vegan options all across the country - even if it's some sad bags of TVP in the most peripheral areas of the Eastern lands. Many of poor students actually use TVP, even if they aren't vegan. It's cheaper.
Granted, I grew up near a huge lake. I wonder if a part of our fishing culture is connected to survivalist - we do have *certain ecologists* that lived in islands in the middle or nowhere living off of fishing, which is pretty much the only reliable way to find food at that point except for berries.
It's still hard to find vegan options at some events, but it's way easier than it used to be a couple of decades ago.
A sociologist called Semi Purhonen has actually found a connection with heavy diets and rural areas in contrast with light diets, vegetarianism and cities. Quite interestingly, the preferences in diet also coincide with your cultural preferences, I.e. high-brow literature vs. Low-brow rock festivals. I've found this applying to vegan options in certain places as well. Not a lot of vegan meat pies at the marketplace.
@@MdoubleHB.x dr. John McDougall might disagree with you. But cara brotman with thehealthylife youtube channel might agree with you.
@@MdoubleHB.xhere you are again! Please collect som good research and then come back. You have no idea what you are talking about!
hunting is better than consuming from the meat industry
@@vyolettesarepink are you kidding? Do you really promote murder?
We kept a food diary for our then 6 year old who was mostly vegan (sporadically he ate cheese), which a hospital dietician reviewed. We were kind of unsure he got enough of everything. The dietician reported back that our son had one of the healthiest diets she ever saw in her career :).
Wasn't a vegan diet, lol.
Technically true, but why be an arse when you could've easily not?@@GarudaLegends
@@pradlark because it is not a vegan diet. It is an omnivore diet. How does stating a fact make me an arse? It is annoying and dangerous when vegans use omnivore diet to push their unhealthy vegan diet.
That's a vegetarian diet, not vegan.
Yep, a vegetarian diet, but very close to a vegan one.
Within normal range doesn’t mean healthy. It’s normal these days to be unhealthy infact.
@@homie3461 no. Normal means consistent with the average numbers of the general population. If that general population is unhealthy, than what you determine to be normal is unhealthy. In the west our bodies and our food and soil itself is absolutely deficient in micro nutrients. We have an abundance of raw calories while a shortage in micronutrients
So the only way for kids to be okay on a vegan diet is to take a bunch of pills? How healthy can a diet be if you NEED to supplement
Saturated fat isn't the only macro to wonder about with regards to the downstream effects on kids....I wonder about loading them up with sugar, too. Younger bodies can compensate for glucose surges but it seems like repeatedly abusing that process can lead to insulin resistance over time. The typical American breakfast for kids, vegan or not, generally strikes me as insane.
What do US kids eat for breakfast?
@@thatsalt1560 Sugary cereals mostly.
@@MdoubleHB.xsorry, but i ve never heard such nonsense…
There s no evidence at all that anything u say is true…
When u live vegan n don’t cook ya food u might keep higher vitamin c levels, but got nearly no protein at all…
All these beans n legumes r not digestible raw…
Ya body needs protein to keep ya system healthy (for ya muscles, ya organs, ya joints n so on)
I'm not even in favor of vegan children, but raw vegan is even worse. and I'd rather not say anything about frogivore. these children consume almost exclusively fructose. How can any sane person think that this can be enough?
Above all, how can you put Swayze down and not spread anything remotely responsible yourself?
And if you thought about it for just a second, you would know that if they were truly frugivores, humanity would have been extinct forever.
Especially in colder areas, there used to be no access to today's nutritious, huge fruits; people would simply have starved.
They arent comparing carnivore to vegan. They are comparing a typical American diet (which EVERYONE can agree is shit)
Every lid should be taking multis not just vegan kids and actually the reason why these supplementation industry is so HUGE is because their main customers are carnists not vegans
Mine do not and their bloodwork came back perfect 🤷♀️They are very tall, have thick, shiny hair and excel in sports and school. Nothing to worry about there.
@@whatsthestorymorningglory61do they eat lots of fortified foods?
@MdoubleHB.x "Cooked food is the worst form of child abuse."
Ah, you must be Catholic. Or a Boy Scout leader.
this might not be enough content to warrant a video but i'm curious about your thoughts on Hannah McNeely's new instagram reel on how her stance on eating oil has changed
I'm also very pro-supplements. I posted before on FB encouraging vegans/vegetarians to take B12 supplements, and I got a "well, actuallly..." response, no surprise there...
@@MdoubleHB.xYour behavior and comments make raw vegans look crazy and obsessed. Please stop it.
@@takecareofyourself8467 they're just a full on troll who reposts the same 5 comments on every thread of ever video Swayze makes; I wouldn't even be surprised if they're not a vegan at all. Someone needs a different hobby
@@homie3461 Do you really think so? 🤔 I found quite the many very inspirational and smart raw vegans. Like Gilian Berry, Annett Larkins, Fred Bisci, Orvel Douglas, Shane from Raw Vegan Rising, Professor Spira (muculess Diet), Tanny Raw, Fullyrawkristina and Eli Martyr (stuntman). Have a look if you like ☺️
@@katelijnesommen you’re right, probably a bot…
@@homie3461 In her videos she always speaks about the impact of our food choices and ways to not harm animals and she supports shelters and shelters animals herself that show up at her house. She also owns a rescue dog. Those shoes she used to have where gifted to her and she didn’t want to throw them away, which would have been wasteful and not sustainable.
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I think the reason she doesn’t show up to open events is the amount of rumors and backstabbing and shaming she got for whatever she did or said. And her Hawaiian Home is so peaceful and abundant, I wouldn’t leave that either 👌
"I'd rather have potatoes" would be good to have on a t-shirt :)
@@MdoubleHB.x
>>"Humans are frugivores and not omnivores. "
I love hearing about these types of studies. Kids can thrive either way though. One of my kids eats meat. The other eats a vegan diet. Both are thriving. Both are athletes. (Track and soccer) Both take a fermented multivitamin. Eat fermented foods with every meal. Years ago I had an allergist tell me, "I shouldn't be really saying this but get their gut health under control and you will have thriving kids" Brought it up to a gastroenterologist and he said, "She is exactly right!" My kids are both extremely tall, in the 98th percentile for height. Granted their dad is 6'6 but still. I have been so obsessed with what is the correct diet for my kids and I'm now realizing maybe it's all about gut flora health.
We like to leave out the non vegan candy in a bowl with a sign for delivery drivers to take as much as they like. Helps us get the sugar out of the house asap
Is the sugar where you are not vegan?
@MdoubleHB.xI hate all of your spamming comments but the ones saying that feeding kids cooked food is the "worst form of child abuse" make my blood boil. You clearly know nothing about child abuse. Lucky you.
@MdoubleHB.x How long do you think people who eat raw live? Considering that most people in the world cook their food. 100? 150? Just curious.
My vegan teenagers are huge. Vegan since the womb but now they are rebelling and eating teenage junk food, but that doesn’t change the fact that the majority of their development was on a vegan diet. I am 5’4 and my ex is 5’7. My 15 year old son is 5’11 and growing! My 13 year old daughter is already as tall as I am.
@MdoubleHB.x imagine being an insane nitwit who accuses strangers of child abuse.
I am not sure if height even is a sufficient indicator of health. It‘s not good when babies are getting too big in the womb for example, it is increasing risks at birth, risks for the child‘s health later on and it is associated with gestational diabetes. In adults being too tall isn‘t always a good thing either, tall people are more likely to develop cancer and the reason they are so tall sometimes is hormonal health issues. Maybe people on meat and dairy get taller because of the additional hormones they consume?
I doubt that, because Europeans were taller than the native population of south and central America who ate a much more plant based diet. That was back before they were tainting everything.
even though i didn't have kids i've always enjoyed watching your videos on how to keep them healthy on a vegan diet. now im pregnant with my first and feel so prepared and excited to raise a healthy and happy vegan kid. thank you swayze!!!!
Sometimes I opt for the vegetarian option when there is nothing else to eat for me at a restaurant I am invited to and it’s always a whole plate of basically cheese. These days vegan options are becoming way more common in my region but I can‘t help to think of a regular vegetarian only eating dairy and eggs and I guess that‘s basically what they do.
Uh, why would you assume that's basically what vegetarians do?? It's not because the restaurants in your area can't think of anything other vegetarian than cheese that most vegetarians are eating dairy and eggs at every meal, lol
How about getting a DEXA scan if you're concerned about your bone mineral density, assuming you haven't already had one. While DEXA is not the be all, end all, it would give you a baseline against which you can track one measure of your bone health.
Hey Swayze, have you ever thought about your plan if a vegan diet was no longer accessible to you and your family? I know that's pretty dire, but what if?
What would have to happen for that to be the case?
I actually think about this a lot right now, since the war in Ukraine is so close and I do worry about the possibility of it spreading to other countries. War would be very detrimental on every level, obviously, but it would make living vegan harder as well.
My plan would obviously include survival first and foremost, and I'd worry about the most ethical consumption once that was certain.
I think it can be done but most people have no idea what they are doing.
There is this CZcams channel called The Vegan Gym. They post these meal plan ideas and advertise them as having “no supplements” 😬 what do you think?
Great video in general but the assumption you made that the "religious group" wasn't following dietary restrictions was a little unwarranted. Most likely, they were referring to Seventh Day Adventists, who are usually plant based or vegetarian. They are such a healthy population they are frequently used for studies.
I think your biases slipped out there.
Don't disregard that the fiber intake in children and a healthy gut microbiota can have a big influence on child immunity which can very well be a then and there concern. It's not "just" heart disease and cancer in later years that are concerning.
Thank you for making this video! My vegan 3 year old is the same height and a few lbs heavier than my friends omni 7 year old so based off my study of two kids, vegan babies are gigantic 😂 Happy holidays to you and your family 💕
i remember as a child i was eating a standard omnivorous american diet and i was always constipated. i would go days without a bm. even though i loved vegetables! i ate a ton of veggies but also meat and cheese. i went vegetarian at 12 and vegan at 15, i feel much more regular now and healthier in general. i also had terrible acne before i went vegan (when i was vegetarian). the rest of my family is meat eaters and there are a lot of health problems in my family. i do believe that being vegan for over 10 years and for the rest of my life will help keep things such as autoimmune disease and other diseases residual
candy has gotten pricey. my brother usually takes his telescope to the park down the street for kids to look through, and this year I wanted to partake in the festivities by handing out candy. and the selection of halloween candy here sucked. thought i might find some sour patch kids packs, but no. so i put on my stitch kigurumi and handed out ring pops. everyone likes ring pops.
@MdoubleHB.x it’s hilarious how you’ve copied and pasted these same comments for years. also, it’s ok for kids to have candy from time to time. Halloween is a special occasion. anyways, here’s a friendly reminder to take your meds.
Where is Mic the Vegans baby?
YASSS SUPPLEMENT QUEEN 🥰💅
@MdoubleHB.x nice to see you mdoublehb. its always nice to see familiar friends youve seen for years.
@MdoubleHB.x hi again pookie I missed you 🤩 I love how you bring up insanity! I wonder why thats on your mind 🤔
You want to be careful with supplementing minerals like calcium and iron. Supplementing calcium has been linked with increased cardiovascular disease risk. Around 500mg/day of calcium is considered adequate by the World Health Organization, and many people in cultures that eat predominantly plant-based diets consume around that much ever day. That's the standard I usually go by. In Britain, the recommended intake is 700mg/day. I wouldn't supplement to above that. There is little evidence that supplemental calcium helps increase bone density in otherwise healthy people.
Iron can also build up in the body, especially in men. Excessive iron levels are believed to contribute to oxidative stress and cardiovascular disease. Also, the majority of lipofuscin in aging nerve cells is filled with iron. At present, there are no known ways to safely remove these from nerve cells.
It seems most vegans get adequate levels of zinc, and in most studies Vegans have had adequate blood levels, so I remain skeptical that zinc is a serious problem for vegans. Again, this is an element that accumulates in aging nerve cells, impairing their function, so it's not clear if supplementing zinc in high doses is really a good thing. The best thing is probably to make sure you eat a wide variety of foods, and you should have adequate levels of zinc, since it's found in small amounts in many whole foods.
Commenting to boost this video in the algorithm. Vegan kids is such an important topic, and it sucks how much misinformation is out there.
Isn’t it just kind of common sense though that if you literally can’t meet your nutritional needs on any particular diet without supplementation, that it is probably just not the way you’re supposed to be eating ?
@@homie3461 no I mean it’s literally not physically possible to meet your nutritional needs on a vegan diet without supplements. I don’t have the impression humans are born with a guarantee of perfect nutrition - that’s why I think it is kind of outrageous to avoid nutritionally dense foods whose nutrients are much more bio available to our species. It just seems kind of obvious that veganism is a bit of a god complex.
OMG I can‘t wait to have a little baby to cuddle myself, your stories are just always so cute! I swear the older you get the cuter you think children are, just a few years ago I didn‘t really get it and now when I hear a baby cry or a little child laugh my heart just melts 😭
Actually here in Central Europe, we have mostly that grey-blue pumpkin (outside of butternut squash) They are delicious. Sometimes the orange ones around halloween but only for decoration :)
Same in Australia
Nicole has a German last name and just for those who wonder, it's pronounced noy-finn-girl
My almost 5 year old daughter is 3 ft 10 and has been vegan since March of 22. She has never had a glass of milk.
Shes off the charts in height and super strong. People think shes 7 or 8. They ask what she eats and are shocked when I say veggies.
I think there is an important asymmetry here. If you find an unhealthy vegan kid, that doesn´t prove that vegan diets are in and on itself unhealthy. But if you find a healthy vegan kid that means there´s at least one way of doing it right. Right? One could argue that only the ones with awesome genetics thrive and the ones with average or mediocre genetics get ravaged no matter what. But still if vegan eating is just an unsustainable pipe dream a vegan from birth should be falling apart by 20 yo regardless the wonderful genetics. We know that is not the case. It´s harder to research the ways of doing it right, yet very doable.
What if the child asks for cooked foods
how many born vegans in their twenties do you know?
Careful about supplementing iron. The body has no way of getting rid of it. It's best to consult before supplementing iron.
Yeah, I asked my Dr about iron concerns (due to bleeding). Her response, "well if you think you might be deficient, just take a supplement". Erm, no, that's not how it works!
@@hannahmitchell87
What? I'm sorry you had that experience. If you have access, consider consulting a dietitian. Watching iron very is important, especially if you're menstruating. However, like I said earlier, supplementing (without consultation) can also be a devil.
@sphumelelesijadu Thank you. The NHS is terribly underfunded now & I was told they'd only order blood tests if there were health complaints. Not sure where you're based but Americans talk often about getting regular blood work. It seems it's cure over prevention here though, sadly
I remember the amount of hatred this channel got, at the beginning, because of the insistence on supplements. I found this channel because a friend of mine was not taking them and suffering the initial consequences. She did not like it, insisting on the idea that primates are by nature vegan. Today is supplements are common knowledge. I am not concerned, then, about vegan diets for adults. The problem with kids is that it's too early to know. We also have politics, today is almost certain that no alerts will be sound if the vegan diet affects mainly boys. We have the left behaving toward cannabis as the right did with big tobacco. Most people believe is safe when a proper description is: it's mostly safe for women and teenage girls. If science is not 100% in the hands of the PC police we will know the effects in 20 years. I hope that it will be 100% positive. The benefits of a vegan diet are so well known that it will be sad if it's not safe for kids.
the vegan way of eating is actually a fast mimicking diet. the benefits that the veganic eating pattern has are very similar to the benefits of fast mimicking diets, but they are not intended to be a long-term way of eating. those for whom excess weight is an issue will probably benefit from a veganic eating pattern, provided that it lasts only as long as necessary. after that period, problems occur that are otherwise associated with undernourishment and malnourishment. however, losing weight, except in rare cases, during a child's most dynamic developmental stage is still not a good idea.
@@v.a.n.e.WTF you on about bro? Go back to school
I am a carnivore don't know why i am here
Ugh how do you deal with the whackjobs in your comment section? Thank you for focussing on the evidence we have available to us today and for not being dogmatic about any position.
Neufingerl is pronounced NOY-fing-ell
@@MdoubleHB.x giving your child toast is the worst form of child abuse? You sure about that bro? 🤣
@@MdoubleHB.x you seem mentally ill
Moringa had many good nutrients.
I have heard that shorter people actually live longer than tal people.
Well done
My vegan 12 year old is almost 6 feet tall.
Cool video. ❤
"4-year-old dude." LMAOOO
diet experimenting with kids. Cool
it still proves that anyone can be vegan LMAOOO
I suffered from malnutrition as a child on a omnivore diet so by and large have rich parents that actually give a Fuk.
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My understanding is that vegan children can be perfectly healthy but the parents need to pay particular attention till making sure all nutrients are consumed, whereas chicken and vegetables provided almost ( not all) all nutrients.
And where are your kids' blood test results?
Neufingerl: No-we-fin-girl
I like your trees, but….Am I gonna be the one to say it?! 😂
to anyone not getting the above comment: THEY MEAN THAT THE TOY TREES ARE SHAPED LIKE BUTT PLUGS
BOO! QUEEN
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Caring about meat-eating kids is different because people have been eating meat for millennia and it's the natural thing to do for humans (we are after all, primates). Understanding the risks for kids of a traditional diet requires study and abstractions: We are not calling 50-year-old people old any longer, so the average person lives enough for the consequences of such a diet to manifest themselves. We don't work all day doing physical labor We don't walk many km all days of the week. Ethical concerns beyond the natural order and others related to industrialization. We have far more evidence that animals are self-aware. Finally: the number of people in the West who can say: oh my mother raised me a vegan as her mother did is quite small.
So if farm animals are self-aware that means we cant eat them? Who decided this? And when will vegans start re-educating all other mammals who eat meat? I mean this rule cant just apply only to humans right?
@MdoubleHB.x sure… please tell me you don’t have kids without telling me you don’t have kids.
You're so right Swayze, society just doesn't care about men sadly and we really need to change that.
I took my daughter to the doctor when she was 1 and the doctor took her weight & height and said "Everything looks good and don't forget she should be drinking 6 cups of milk daily" and my mom jumped up and yelled "they're vegan!" Then all of a sudden the doctor says "oh well actually her growth is kinda concerning to me, it is on the lower end" like bitch my whole family is 5ft tall
I thought those trees in the back were b**t plugs at first glance. Sorry.
Why would you risk it? Poor kids. I would never ever push my diet onto my children regardless of how “ethical” or “good” it is. Kids need real b vitamins nothing synthetic. I hope your not giving them phytoestrogens too. Ugh
We are humans who eat a vegan diet. We are not vegans. The diet we all choose to eat is just a part of who we are. NO ONE should be insulting and judging anyone on their food of choice.
"We are humans who eat a vegan diet."
If only there was a single word to describe that....
so you wouldn't judge the tribes who cannibalise?
@@amirrhodesve791 now isn’t that against the law ? So it’s a non-issue
@@WhiteWabbitWarrior regardless of law, you're judging them right? If it was legal you would he okay with it?
@@WhiteWabbitWarrior the reason I'm asking is becuase we have q right to judge people who cause suffering becuase they like the taste. It's an ethical issue. You obviously can't understand that.
Saturated fat doesn't cause heart disease. Humans are also perfectly fine with less fiber. These are non-issues for omnivores. On the other hand, vegans just can't get enough bioavailable nutrients without animal based foods. Animal husbandry isn't just a vegan issue and these things can be changed without jeopardizing our health with a vegan diet.
In what universe?
@@thatsalt1560 this universe 🤦
@@thatsalt1560 "The PURE investigators found that saturated fat was not associated with risk of myocardial infarction or cardiovascular disease mortality and was …"
Dec 8, 2022
National Institutes of Health (.gov)
@@thatsalt1560 humans have been eating saturated fat and animal protein since we were humans. Heart disease is a modern disease related to metabolic health.
@@Jtikombc80 well, guess it's a good thing you're not my doctor, or we'd both want to fire each other.
Thank God my parents were not vegan or vegetarians. Meat eaters live the longest in age. Poor vegan children.
Source?
@@wannabedrewafualo google oldest ppl to live. You should find a full list of names, age, sex and country. Non of them are vegans, but a few of them were vegetarians
@@GarudaLegends Correlation is not causation
@@wannabedrewafualo thank you for admiting meat eaters live the longest in age.👍 facts are better than your feelings.
@@GarudaLegendsokay and now go to a diabetes clinic and a cardiology ward and come back and tell me how many patients are vegan. That's not how science works. But you already know that, you're just playing dumb
Vegetarian who ended up low iron and having heart palpitations 🫠 🤚 A mix of having a more thoughtful diet and going on birth control and I don't need to take iron supplements anymore.