Love your textbook “killing them with kindness” (and facts) approach to what could easily be considered an unwarranted personal attack on your lovely family.
I really admire the way you went about addressing the topic in such a respectful and collected manner, even though it could be seen by many as a direct attack on your family and their way of life. As always, really appreciate your videos!
So true! But in the end I wanted to know what “robust” meant to her in her criticism. I also think she missed the boat on cheese, so many children hate cheese, its an acquired taste for many.
@@sw6118 the same thing that gets released when you take heroine gets released when you eat cheese (in far smaller amounts). Most people are pretty obsessed with cheese to the extent that many will sit and talk about cheese.
Oh, yeah, "robust" children. I'm from an Eastern European country and I have several friends who have emigrated to various Western countries. A lot of them have been confronted by their children's teachers, principles and nurses and accused of abusing and not feeding their kids, because their children look too "skinny" and stand out like a sore thumb from the rest of the class. These people are not even vegan or very healthy eaters. A lot of westerners just have no idea anymore what a normal weight looks like, especially in growing children. Babies and toddlers are supposed to be plump, not children.
@Axileus According to my now-grown children's family doctor, dark circles under the eyes are called "allergy shiners." I am an overweight vegan (yes, it actually happens) with dark circles - which I have had all of my life, even during omnivore years. During spring they are big enough to look atrocious as I deal with budding tree pollen. My kids who decided to not be vegan at adulthood still have their dark circles if they had them as vegan kids.
Eastern Europeans feed less processed food and more appropriate portions. I'm from Central Russia and grew up eating Russian style food combined with a German diet as I grew up in Germany. My Mum's frame was far less stocky than mine as she (unlike me) continued consuming an exclusively Russian style diet. I looked like the average northern Europe kid. Tall and stocky. Obviously that's just anecdotal evidence but Russian women overall have more slender figures than German women yet the Russian girls I know here in Germany have very "German" figures.
I had to laugh because my vegan girlfriend, who still struggles with losing weight, was recently told by one of her diabetic junk-food-eating co-workers that her vegan diet wasn't working. With a banger bloodwork panel, including an A1C at 5.0, I'd say that she's doing pretty good even if she's losing the weight slower than she'd like. As always, this was a fantastic video!
I get the same thing but yes at 60 and vegan since 2015 and having been a alcoholic and obese I feel its much better bloodwork wise😉 i listen to the science not the clueless
As someone who had a heart attack at age 52, I would be very happy to go back in time and switch to a whole-food plant-based diet. Fortunately, four years on a Esselstyn-style diet has reversed my angina and I feel better now than I did in my 20s. p.s. I love the positivity on this channel!
Yes, Donald Watson died of an apparent heart attack. At age 95. I did three episodes on how long health influencers live and try as I might and despite scouring everything I could find and recruiting volunteers to help, I couldn't only find one high meat eater to made it to his mid eighties. The others started dying in their 30s and really picked up velocity in their 50s. czcams.com/video/dMghM6TxiBk/video.html
@ignoreme imdumb your name is pretty accurate I’d say. I’m ex vegan, I used to believe what you believe until I came across much better information… so no. It’s not bias, it’s science & over a decade of research.
If you're older you remember most kids were skinny in the 60s and 70s...it was the default build for highly active kids. People have now become so accustomed to seeing people who are overweight or obese that they think there most be something wrong with you if you're slim. The reality is, a high percentage of people who live to be over 100 years old are slim...especially men. Diets high in animal products have multiple effects. One is stimulating the release of insulin like growth factor. That will make your cells grow faster including muscle cells, but it also makes cancer cells grow faster. Health is very much a marathon...not a sprint...and you have to look at long term effects of diet and exercise to get a clear picture of what is likely to be good for your health.
Diets high in carbohydrates stimulate insulin the most and high carb low fat diets are the cause of the worst health problems In our societies. I personally think there's no one size that fits all but we are omnivores so I wouldn't go purely carnivore or vegan.
Thank you for the very intelligent, and respectful, manner in which you framed your response. I was born in 1960 and my mother’s physician directed her to feed me blended-up meat from the age of 6 weeks, followed by a diet primarily of meat, milk and cheese for the rest of my childhood! Needless to say, I’ve struggled with weight issues my whole life. I would have given anything to be a thin child. Your family appears strong, healthy, and happy…and the compassion expressed by your grandkids is heartening. Turning to a plant-based diet has been a godsend for me. Keep up the great videos!❤️👍❤️
I think we have "boiling frogged" ourselves into seeing overweight and obese people as normal. I encourage everyone to look for news photos and even family photos from back in the sixties. Nearly everyone looked thin and no one thought anything about it.
as a European(mainland, not UK), with a different perspective, I totally agree.Perhaps because most of the people around me have a normal body. For me, it is also mind-blowing to read US articles and see photograph of people with so called"No underlying conditions who died of Covid" , whilst it is so obvious they are seriously overweight. An overweight friend of mine said she felt and was looked upon as slim while she was on a 2 month holiday in the US (in the 90's). In the US, being overweight is perceived as "normal"; Your grandkids are perfectly normal from a European perspective, don't worry. Nobody would even think twice about their weight here in Belgium...
Also In an obese society, even normal weight people look "too thin". Almost my entire family is overweight or obese, and eat garbage. I was into running/biking/hiking, and my BMI was a stable 21 for over a decade, and every visit for over a decade, some relatives would always comment that I was "too thin".
Same, I'm a BMI of 20/21 and always get told I'm too thin. Part of it is genetics as I have the exact physique of my skinny Italian relatives, but my closest relatives eat meat and they're more chubby looking and gain weight easily, whereas as the only one who hasn't eaten meat in decades, I've always been slender.
I love how generously you give credit to every even partially valid point. It would be easy to get defensive when being publicly criticized, and so unfairly. Especially when your kids and grandkids are the target. I like your approach and attitude, and I'm kind of in awe of your equanimity in this particular situation. (Yes please on episode on cancer risks from animal products. Also, I wonder if there's any research on people going vegan after getting cancer, and whether they fair any better.)
Your adult children and their children are beautiful, well-spoken and glowing with good health. As a mature woman who is vegan and an adjunct nutrition instructor, I appreciate your informative, warm and humorous videos.
My vegan child was a pale blonde child as thin and frail looking as a feather. Her arms and legs were thin as a stick. She never was sick...she could outrun all her classmates...she could climb any tree...and..she did...she did get one small cavity during childhood. She grew into a lovely, strong, young woman. Now she hikes mountains. She's still slender with no blood sugar problems and low blood pressure.
@@cypriano8763 And being sick is the norm. I work in healthcare and see all diseases that used to be adult-only are now affecting children before they even become teenagers.
@@ASMRyouVEGANyet that’s it, people here in America are way too big, you realize this when you travel to other countries. Even the non obese people here are big.
I am a teacher, so I enjoy hearing the children’s comments and seeing their unpolished actions in front of the camera. They all seem to have high self-esteem and solid confidence, although it is difficult to anticipate the unpredictable and far-reaching impact of social media.
What I love is: if people lose weight on a keto diet, carnivores say “Great job! You look fantastic! So fit and trim.“ If people are fit and trim on a vegan diet, carnivore say “Wow, you look skinny. You’re wasting away! You need to look more robust.”
With respect to you, it’s not carnivores that say these things, it’s ex vegans. They may be carnivores now, but by far the greatest critics of the vegan diet are ex vegans. There are hundreds if not thousands of ex vegans on CZcams. I’m not one of them. I’m just here for the drama. Good luck to you!
@Engelbert Humperdinck There is no such thing as an ex vegan. People who stop eating animals for the animals never go back. There are many people with eating disorders and many other health disorders that have dabbled in a plant based diet and failed. Just like people who dabble in other diets. Those tend to be the outspoken. Also many people claim to be vegan on youtube for shock or notoriety but actually never were vegan.
I'm so thrilled to find your channel. My vegan daughter and son in law just had their first baby and he's five months old and learning to eat chili already. Breast fed, learning about fruits and veggies and yes, chili and he's a happy, healthy robust little boy (minus the rolls of fat) with incredible energy....and I've just passed this video on to her so that she can have her decision to raise him vegan, reinforced by you and your wonderful guests and your terrific grandkids. Thank you so much.
Wonderful rebuttal to those concerns. Parents are often unable to correctly identify a child's weight category. In a 2014 meta-analysis by Lundahl published in Pediatrics, half of nearly 16,000 parents misclassified their child who had overweight/obesity as having a normal weight. If parents think a child with obesity is normal weight then they may easily conclude that another child with normal weight is underweight.
This is one of the most refreshing response videos I have seen in a long time. You are so polite, well versed and incredibly convincing. It was a delight listening to you. I particularly liked the way you approached "adult bullying". Just the right amount of irony and shade. Just subscribed, thanks so much for your work.
My chronically underweight and skinny-minny partner went vegan when she was 45 years old and is normal BMI for the first time in her life as a 50 year old after eating a wfpb diet and resolving terrible gas, pain, and bloating that lead to food avoidance.
Gas, pain and bloating is literally what comes from a vegan non meat diet. Hence me I'm omnivores I get gas and fart like once every 2 or 3 weeks. Meat is the cue! Trust 😂
Love how mature you are about your responses, some people will be offended and say it's non of her business. Your response is actually turn out to be a teachable moment.
Best channel ever. I’ve been struggling with my decision to eat a plant-based diet. These videos have strengthened my resolve to fight through the urges to eat meat, cheese, and eggs again. Thank you for doing what you do.
A great documentary to check out is What The Health. It's free here on youtube and Netflix too. Talks all about the addiction behind cheese and also how animal agriculture is destroying our environment. It's incredibly powerful.
I really enjoyed the walk and talk format so we could vicariously enjoy the beautiful scenery and the visits with the non human animals! I hope you do more of these.
Been a Vegan for 4 years and Vegetarian for 20 years, trust me that's the best decision of my life and I'm 40 and never been to hospital for illness and on annual blood check up, the doctor's always are surprised to see such a perfect blood reports. I can run non-stop for 4 kms and walk upto 20 kms and play Badminton for 3 hours continuously. None of my non-Vegan friends can complete with me even though my weight is higher than them.
more and more vegans are getting out of it over health issues.. your experience doesn't mean anything,, I have the opposite lifestyle 57 yo look 43 in great physical shape outrun kids at work and never been ill.. so what's your point?
That's great to hear man. Personally low carb medium protein and a high fat eating plan alongside intermittent fasting has been the only protocol that has kept me in optimal health.
I say this every single video, but yet another incredibly interesting piece of content from Plant Chompers! You dealt with the situation with grace and actually answered a lot of questions I’ve had. Your grandkids are lovely! The fact that they care about animal welfare at this young age is commendable. I’ve explained to my kids about poor animal welfare involved in factory farming but they don’t seem to have as much empathy as your grandkids lol. Well done!!
Thank you, Lygia! Your comments always give me a boost. 😁 I think there are a lot of people who believe vegans are malnourished, right? That's the first thing my friends think when I get to marathon race weight. That comment from Daniel about the animals... He has such a good heart.
@@PlantChompers yay I’m glad! You do great work! And yes in my case I worry about feeding my kids mainly vegan stuff even though it’s what I eat lol so this video was a big help.
When I was listening to interviews of Reshma Shah, Gemma Newman and Brenda Davis, I just could not believe what a grasp they had on studies, the authors, how they were done, what they showed, etc. They sent me scurrying to studies I hadn't paid attention to that turned out to be great (like the German study I referenced in this episode). And all that impressive knowledge led to....raising their own families vegan. That was a confidence booster to me too.
It's funny that anti-vegans never mention someone like Niami Delgado as a "malnourished" vegan. I'm a vegan bodybuilder and am part of a large Instagram community of vegan and plant-based bodybuilders.
I'm a researcher and have eaten a vegan diet for almost a decade, and whenever someone says you can't build muscles just eating plants, I just link them to pictures of vegan bodybuilders. At 61, I've seen no difference--when I lift some weights, my muscles plump up like they did before I went vegan, and when I don't I lose that mass the same as before. Good luck.
@@karlwheatley1244 sounds familiar, I'm 63 year old nurse and have been vegetarian for 40 years. Just within the last 2 years my wife and I decided to be complete vegan diet and we feel great. I do yoga, hiking cycling and some weights training at our local gym, and I am not too thin by any means. If anything I tend to eat too many carbs however I also eat lots of leafy green vegetables so I get plenty of fiber too
Omg so what. Did you know chimpanzees are NOT vegan! We share 98% DNA with them. Why not just eat occasional meat? Why change from our natural point. If you have only 1 tiny valid point i will consider but omg you wont youre in a cult 😅😅@louisehibbert9768
Thank you Chris MacAskill for your curiosity, enthusiasm, knowledge, passion, & scientific approach to nutrition. I married a wonderful woman who was basically vegetarian when I met her 25 years go. Which led me towards vegetarianism. Seeing loved ones suffer from poor health and reading books like "The China Study", motivated us to raise our five kids mostly on food from plants. The more we learned from doctors like Caldwell Esselstyn, Dean Ornish, Michael Greger, & T. Colin Campbell the more we knew whole food plant based was the way to go. We've been vegan since we cut out cheese and seafood a few years ago. Our children are all tall, slender, and most importantly healthy and vibrant. In fact, I have to look up to my 20 year old son who is 6'1". It looks like 3 of the 5 will be as tall if not taller than me (5'8") but all are leaner than I had been at any of their ages. I believe they are healthier too thanks to the conscious food choices and trajectory we set as a family. Again thank you and please keep sharing what you learn and discover. Even though I've read and seen a lot, I have learned some great stuff on your channel since I found it a few months ago. I look forward to the complete interview with Dr Klapper in the near future. Keep up the great work!
Thanks MR Matt! You've rattled off the names of some of my heroes. I really think Dr. Campbell is correct that the saturated fat in animal foods is only part of the story and animal protein plays a major role in the unhealthy aspect of meat. And it looks like the heme iron in meat is another large factor. More on that next episode. I'm so glad your family turned out to be so healthy.
This is generous, sincere and inspiring reply to a video that whiffs pretty hard of concern trolling. I wish I had your equanimity in the face of bad faith and unkindness. But thank you for giving me something to emulate. And by the way, to anyone who isn't desperate for self-justification, your family is absolutely beautiful.
Thank you Liz! I wish I could include more of the grands but some of my children don't want their kids exposed to social media and I have to respect that.
Honestly, I came on here thinking that I was going to find an argument against veganism, thinking maybe I was wrong in my nutritional approach. My husband and I have been primarily plant based for the past few months and have tried plant based eating off and on for the past year. I was so delighted to discover such a well-backed informative video assuaging those doubts. Thank you for making this! Also, your grandkids are freaking adorable!
While this channel seems give you proper scientific information, which is true of course, and his evidence is very convincing, but I’ll say something is very off from reality. This something is likely more important than everything he showed you in his whole channel. Remember, he only promotes the vegan researches, not the other side. Everyone wrote about vegan is fantastic, and anyone does not agree with that is problematic.
@@LittleRadicalThinker what are you talking about??? He promotes non industry funded research?? He is exactly the person that you should listen too. Nice approach but I have seen how you actually respond on most vegan pages, go on your meat eating pages with like minded people 👋🏻
@@ronbright2207 Doesn’t matter what I eat, and doesn’t matter what everyone eats, his information is extremely misleading with ultra bias against keto across all of his videos, and by this, he should not be called scientist himself. From all perspectives, except current mainstream vegan view, all evidence pointed out directly humans are keto eaters, from historically perspective, human physiology perspective, evidence perspective. He gives excuses to Ancel Keys’s 7 countries study to ignore data from other 15 countries which in the same study, never in his mind would think actually the 7 countries study is seriously ultra flawed by ignoring 2/3 of the data, scientists call this cherry picking. Never in his mind that excuses can be anything to get rid of the data didn’t match the bias of Ancel Keys’s bias. And sadly, this study became the corner stone of almost all future nutritional studies and caused this obesity/diabetes epidemic because no doctors ever care how things began with their busy schedule, but they only care how things should be done without breaking the rules to get their license revoked.
@@ronbright2207 and by the way, vegan has become a religion, a cult. Chris said in his channel all the time, vegan scientists are doing good hard and credible science, and all those opposing vegans simply are not doing science. There are hundreds of red flags like this all over his videos. At the end of the day, no matter how ridiculous science might look like, it has to make logical sense when doing the right logic thinking. Let’s say in front of your ancestors have two plates, one full of fatty red meats ready to eat, and one is great green salad, what do you think your ancestors would eat? He would eat as much fatty meats as possible before he realized it and had absolutely no appetite for the great green salad at all. This sounds ridiculous nowadays but energy dense foods are the most prioritized things for the entirety of all animals because less than enough calories means death since the beginning of existence of animals. Eating salad all day long is by far the worst strategy to survive in history.
@@LittleRadicalThinker you are writing a lot of words without very little substance. The science is there, you are just choosing to ignore it, why do you claim to be so educated yet you don’t display your actual name????? Hmmmm
The world needs more Chris McCaskills. Your commentary is science based, warm, thoughtful and uplifting. The last seven or so years has shown me how mean-spirited people can be towards others. I am an older millenial but have seen the devolution of decency in our discourse. It used to be that a small segment of the population would say/do egregious things to others (esp. in public) nowadays people commonly fight and harass others at retail centers and airports (among other places). I mention this because I think people are extremely critical of their fellow humans in ways I have not experienced before. The context you provided in this video is very helpful to understanding the other CZcamsr's critique. I ❤ Anne and her kids although I have only come to know her through your videos. This video was hilarious in particular your interview with your grandchildren that included the baby looking on curiously in the background, so hilarious. Keep uploading great content, we appreciate it!
Thank you, Weston, that means a lot to us. I made this episode partly because these kids are eventually going to see the comments on Juliette's channel about them and I hope they are prepared for a world that is very different than the world I grew up in.
I so agree with this. We have lost basic decency & respect for others. People have become vicious towards others, and instead of putting a little thought into responding to people with respect and compassion, we’re becoming like the movie, “Idiocracy.” At least, that’s what I’m seeing online. In person, where I am in Texas, thankfully, most people are still decent to each other. I haven’t watched this whole video and just discovered this channel, but I love how gracious and good-natured he is about this! What a great example for others to see. ❤️ Subscribed!
This is now my favourite channel on youtube. I really like how everything you are saying are based on facts and research rather than feelings and emotions. This is one of the most underrated channels on youtube, and you deserve much more followers! Cheers! :)
LOVE THIS! My family is vegan and I am FAR from thin 😂 but since I converted I was able to fully HEAL myself and avoid surgery! My daughters digestive issues have also sorted itself out and we are better then ever… this girl is lost 🤯
I'm so tired of this. My mother and I have never been deficient with our bloodwork. You cannot tell if someone is deficient in something by looking at them.
I am so glad I found this channel. Taking criticism seriously is probably the single best thing anyone can do but it takes honesty and a capacity for self criticism that is frankly rare. The results however, as here, are always rewarding - not only in the raising of issues and debate but also showing how this discourse can be conducted.
He is also promoting anti-vegan nonsense by insisting that vegans MUST supplement B12. We all know that's a lie, it's just snake oil I shared a reference on my comment at the top
I was very skinny as a child and I ate the standard American diet. I was low on iron until I became vegan. It seems like a lot of ex-vegans were eating extreme and very unbalanced diets. Before giving up on veganism, it might help to track your diet on cronometer. I'm not familiar with Juliette Autumn, so she may have done that. On a lighter note, it sure was nice seeing all that beautiful nature!
Oh good! I was hoping that walking in the forest was a nice change and not distracting. I liked it. The only thing is after I saw the footage, I wished I'd busted out my bigger camera instead of using the GoPro. The GoPros don't focus up close like that very well.
@ Melissa hi! Nice to meet another person who was low in iron when they ate meat yet is no longer deficient after they went vegan. I was an anemic meat eater, became an ethical vegan and no longer have anemia, never took iron.
Hi Melissa! I'm actually an ex vegan and from personal experience I was eating WFPB (with the exception of tofu). I struggled with pretty gnarly bloating, undigested particles, and malaise about a year into it. It was a very balanced diet, the problem was that my body couldn't handle the quantities of fiber without the issues above. I think it had to do with me being raised with very minimal fruits and veggies in my diet. Introducing animals products back into my diet fixed all those problems. And I tried everything I could to avoid eating meat also. I did a food journal, to see if it was a specific food. I was doing elimination diets etc. I tried really hard to stay vegan but I wasn't doing well with it.
@@rethinktone Yes, I know there are "gut experts" that say this can be fixed and they are probably right, but those solutions aren't available to most of us yet, so we do what we can in our circumstances. I have no such problems, but I know that an infection or antibiotics (sometimes they are necessary) could change that and I'm a bit afraid of that because I like my plantbased life.
I wish I had discovered your videos before reading all those books on Keto and low carb diets (fortunately I didn't go down the Carnivore path). Although I haven't jumped over to the full vegan way of life yet, I will certainly be adding more fruits and vegetables and less meat to my eating. Your channel is my favourite youtube spot.
I am a single dad who have raised vegan twins for almost eleven years now. My son is a very picky eater to the point where I want to pull my hair out! He is in the 80th percentile in height and 50th in weight. My daughter is in the 20th percentile in height and weight. She eats like a horse. So I am pretty convinced that the size of our frame is mostly dictated by genetics and not what we eat. We did a bone age test for my daughter and our pediatrician said she is not stunted but a late grower, and from what I hear that may be a blessing for her. Late puberty also means she has more time to grow before the end of puberty stops her growth.
I would’ve done anything to hold off on puberty a few years, I wonder what effect it has on children’s brains too, I’ve noticed my school performance go up since being plant based but that may be coincidental
Thank you so much for sharing this. We've been vegan for 3 years now. After losing three friends to heart attacks in their 40s, we were motivated. Our 3 young kids made the switch with us and I'm always looking for research about vegan kids. This episode gave me so much relief. I'd love to see more info on vegan kids. I'd also love to connect with other vegan families so my kids see they aren't the only ones and vegan/plant-based doctors so we can stay up to date easily. My Dr is supportive (God bless her), but she's not plant-based and has to do her own research to answer my questions.
Juliette is like many other people who come from a purely anecdotal perspective. She doesn't comment on the excessive calories kids take in and mostly from junk. Lab work matters not opinions on looks.
Just letting you know that we are a vegan family. I have a just turned 12 year old son, vegan from birth, 5 foot 6 inches tall, skinny as a rake (like his dad). Towers over his peers. Footy champion, beach sprinter, incredible violinist and goes to an acedemically gifted school. My teenage daughter normal height, also acedemically and musically gifted as well a champion tap dancer etc. She is at the most exclusive high school in Australia for music and academics, entry Only by examination, interview and performance audition. Only supplements we take is B12. Tell your daughter not to doubt a vegan diet for kids! The funny thing is I am of Polish heritage, so my kids 50%. I was in Warsaw 2 years ago and Veganism is huge in Poland. Especially Warsaw. So I can see why the study was done on vegan kids. They should have looked at my kids😁
Good on you for addressing this topic in such a rational way. I do think there is something incredibly sad, where we are so use to seeing unhealthy children, that healthy children are seen as malnourished.
I LOVE it that you actually show us the studies and break them down into relatable language. As a vegan dietitian, which wasn’t easy to do at the time when I did it, I feel like a lot of people who don’t know what they’re looking at, interpret science without understanding. Thank you for what you do.
My Family was worried I looked too thin when I went vegan last year, but then they realized it was just because they were too fat. Now my parents hopped the bandwagon to finally drop their Cholesterol.
Exactly. Sadly we've normalozed being overweight or obese, when people see a slim person they automatically think unhealthy, its backwards. I feel so bad for the overweight and obese children I see 😢
I am a Seventh-day Adventist. My husband and I grew up in Romania where being a vegetarian was weird and frowned upon. Well, we raised two wonderful boys with a vegetarian diet. They were robust babies, healthy, and now as adults, they are thriving; no stunted growth, one is 6'4" and the other 6'7". I was never worried about raising my children a diet based on whole grains, fruits, vegetables, and nuts. These are the foods our bodies were designed to digest.
I've never watched your channel before, but appreciate all the research and your graceful response! I'm about 85% plant based (aged cheese & yogurt), and do so to manage my chronic illness. My diet is my best medicine and defense against inflammation, chronic pain and weakened immune system, which all come with my genetic condition I've suffered from most of my life. I've done every single surgery, painful procedure, and have tried all the awful drugs, and expensive alternative treatments available over the last 20 yrs. I eventually stopped every treatment except the meds that made me more stable/ comfortable, went on hospice and when we changed my diet to liquids, something amazing happened-- I started improving! Then I started eating almost nothing but hummus, avocados, and banana baby food, and it was calming my entire body! Three years later and I've graduated to whole foods, no longer bed bound, and I'm able to live on my own! You know how incredible that feels?! I still have a very long way to go after 20 yrs of degenerative disease- it's not a cure, but it's being managed, and it's much less expensive than the stack of medical bills I used to have lol. Yesterday I tried a little bit of chicken, and am paying for it today. Very bad idea, as is with any meat I attempt to consume. I need to shake free the outdated idea that I'm better off consuming meat, because I think we've proven that's not the case. God bless you and your family! Glad I found you today
Wow, Mary, I'm so sorry to hear about the health problems you've had, but it sounds like you're finding a formula that works for you. 👏💪❤️🥑 It's so good to hear this.
If she would just look back even just a generation ago, like my school pictures, we were all lean beans. She had no basis to comment on your family and you were very gracious to her!
As someone who has always been around 110 pounds I'm well used to the skinny comments and with some families it really is genetics. I'm the 7th sibling and all of us are slender and can eat whatever we want (lucky us). People are so quick to call out "body shaming" when someone is overweight but it seems to be so acceptable to give out to people for being slim. Everyone is different, if kids are healthy just let them grow at their own pace.
So true! I was a skinny kid and slim adult and have had years of people shaming - mean comments about my food. choices. I never understood, and still don't, why it mattered to them so much that I eat the cake/brownies/pudding/steak.
What that woman did was so inappropriate and she didn’t back up any of statements without information that didn’t confirmed her bias. You did such a thorough job here. Your grandkids are the luckiest! I’ve been vegan since 2003 and thank my lucky stars that my grandparents weren’t as receptive to fast food or as focused on meat as many people are these days. Your grandkids are adorable! Can you please make a video discussing antibiotic abuse and efficacy loss due to animal ag? I only wish more people realized what’s happening and what’s going to transpire in the coming years- 2 million people died from them last year. It keeps me awake at night sometimes thinking of what’s happening to this precious finite resource. Thank you again for your hard work, clear and concise information.
When you showed the bar graph that compared dietary groups and BMI in the Adventist 2 Study, you should have mentioned that the vegan group was the only one with an average BMI in the recommended range! Not just "lighter."
@@PlantChompers Right. Here is a quote from the Wikipedia article about it. "Adventist Health Study 2 (AHS-2) The current study which began in 2002 with a goal of 125,000 Adventists continues to explore the links between lifestyle, diet and disease among the broader base of Seventh-day Adventists in America and Canada. As of May 2006 it had an enrollment of 96,741.[8] Dr. Gary Fraser with a team of researchers from the School of Public Health at Loma Linda University is conducting the study which is funded by the National Cancer Institute. In July 2011, National Institutes of Health awarded AHS-2 a $5.5 million 5-year grant to continue the study."
I am a 27 year old vegan (4 years) studying nutrition science to become a dietician. I plan to have my own youtube channel in the future and frankly I want to be just like you Chris. Great science and logic behind it all, keep fighting the good fight.
Being skinny used to run in my family as well but this is no longer true thanks to the good old standard American diet (SAD on multiple levels...). We have the family photos to prove it! Shame on Juliette for trying to skinny shame your family given she doesn't even know you... And I agree with many fellow commenters that you handled her criticisms with so much grace. This video is a master class in silencing haters in the nicest way possible.
I love all of your content, but as a mom of 4 boys ages 7-16, this one has a special place in my heart. I've been plant-based for 4 years and two of my boys eat like me and two eat like their omnivore father (who is supportive about trying my new foods but not quite ready to go plant-based). My boys are very different sizes in height and weight, but I find it interesting that my vegan kids are far more "robust" than my McDonalds obsessed oldest🤷♀️😉 I'm just glad that as adults they'll have the tools they need to feel great and protect their health... One thing is certain: this lifestyle has healed me and I'm never turning back😊 Thanks for giving me a happy place to learn and feel a sense of community from. I appreciate you!
@@PlantChompers Chris, I posted a genuine question over 20 hours ago and you seemed to have ignored it, so I shall repost it here: Thank you Chris for sharing some background on your children's / grandchildren's experience as vegans. May I ask, are there any second generation lifelong vegans or better still third generation? Also, where does Anne obtain her cashews from to make her cashew cream?
I'm really enjoying your content, and appreciate your thoughtful response to having your family critiqued in such a personal way. I think part of the problem stems from the fact that we now live in an era where thin children are the exception - but that wasn't always the case. I tend to marvel at old footage and photographs, and seeing just how slim everybody was. And what actually qualifies Juliette Autumn to make such definitive statements about others? I mean, apart from failing at the relatively simple task of being vegan, what are her credentials or achievements?
Thanks, Mike. I think she means well - at least I hope she does - but somehow we're slipping into an age where doctors and scientists aren't as respected in America as they once were, I don't know why. Just look at how medical workers and infectious disease experts were our heroes when Covid arrived and now they are goats because they won't even prescribe Ivermectin when you get Covid.
What a kind and civil way to respond to someone who committed the unthinkable (to us at least) by going after your family. She does not deserve the grace you gave her, but that's what puts you in a different class from any she can relate to. She'll be expecting you to attack in kind and likely won't know what to do when she gets this response instead.
I was one of those extremely healthy rail thin children on a mostly plant based diet but that changed in adulthood. I gained 60 lbs and developed fibromyalgia, IBS, hypertension, pre diabetes and hypercholesterolemia on a animal diet. I have reversed most of these on a low fat plant based diet. I would love to have continued my diet when I was rail thin and healthy. You are to be admired for your graceful rebuttal.
Thanks, Jacqueline. Yikes, I'm so sorry to hear about the conditions you developed but it's great you were able to see some reversal. What we eat can be such a profound factor in our lives.
A thorough respectful rebuttal. The animal product industry have really done a number on the general populations idea of nutrition. Bacon is a carcinogen yet is advertised all over the place, meanwhile Vegans have better health outcomes but are an inch smaller as kids "Vegan diets stunt children!" Smh. Great video as always 👍
there's nothing better than grass fed animal products pound for pounds when it comes to nutrients, there's so much misinformation out there now because there's a lot of money to be made with vegan/non meat based foods. They can be factory created and patented versus cows that need a lot of time and attention with proper feeding. Don't be so quick to judge meat,but do your due dillegence
I've been thinking a bit about a normal weight in kids and adults. As more and more people become overweight it will be hard to tell who is actually normal. I myself would consider myself a normal weighted 28 year old, but after going mostly vegan last summer I lost a few kilos I didn't know I could - or even thought about losing. Does that mean I'm more "normal" weighted now? Linked to this is that as long as you preface your choices with being "vegan" people will express concerns or try to find flaws with things you're doing. For example would people question my food choices more if I'm explaining that they're vegan. No-one would object to oat meal for breakfast, lentil stew for lunch and bean tacos for dinner, except if they're vegan.
"robust" :))) is this a new word for fat? i used to be a very thin omnivore kid. as in very thin. no one seemed to be concerned although i always had calcium deficiencies. I am now a "robust" vegan and no longer have issues with calcium absorption. 🤷
Bingo! I lost weight on a plant-based diet and started getting close to my high school weight, and people started telling me to lose weight (they were so used to seeing me 40-45 pounds overweight, they couldn't face the fact that this slender me was actually the healthy weight me.
I'm vegan for 10 years (before vegetarian 30 years) and I look more than 10 years younger, I have no wrinkles, my weight is ok, my hair and skin in perfect condition, 3 years in menopause, but have no menopausal issues (like sweats, hair loss, osteoporosis... zero problems) I walk a lot and exercise 3 times a week in moderate way. I undergo preventive health check each year... if there was some problem, I would have already known.
I have always been unusually thin, even before I went plant based at around the age of 60. Whole plant foods are generally less calorically dense, but I did manage to reach the recommended BMI after going pure vegan by drinking one or two smoothies a day, along with everything else. Drinking calories makes a big difference. The smoothies were all whole food based, unless you don't consider sugar free plant milks, and unsweetened apple sauce to be whole foods. I also made sure to include things like pumpkin seeds for protein. I also made sure to do regular resistance training.
I was vegan/plant based for the majority of my life. Always very thin, would get sick more often than friends who didn’t care about their diet at all. Multiple blood tests per year, to make sure everything was on track with my diet. Started taking fitness more serious, and lifting weights to put on a little size. No energy, joint pain, and not seeing many gains. Decided to try and see what adding small amounts of meat into my diet did. Within a month you could physically see muscle size in my body. Keeping healthy weight on is easy, and I no longer look like if I trip I’ll break into 1000 pieces. I go long periods without getting sick now. I used to eat very limited amounts of treats & grain and seed bread. Cut the sweets and “healthy bread” out and no more joint pain. Bring vegan years back was a royal pain for a traveling professional. Now there’s so many wonderful options. Each persons body reacts differently though.
Thanks for sharing Sarah. I’m sorry to hear about your struggles but happy to hear things are working out for you. Did the blood tests reveal something like celiac disease, anemia, or allergies?
@@PlantChompers No allergies aside from lactose intolerance. Just mild deficiencies from time to time solved via supplement. The only downside I’ve noticed from introducing meat into my diet is slight brain fog. But, that could be in part from not eating bread, sweets, and no caffeine. Blood tests have been great. Having some tone to my body has made a world of difference in the self confidence department. There’s plenty of shredded professional athletes that are vegan. Just something with my body doesn’t allow mass to grow while vegan, no matter what I tried. I’ll probably revisit in the future though as I don’t enjoy the texture of meat.
@@PlantChompers maybe Sarah "didn't do it right". Chris, when will you accept that a diet devoid of meat and animal products is NOT conducive to optimal health and this is why you have to dig so deep to find any second generation lifelong vegans. Not to mention you and your niece are the only "vegans" in your entire family and you're not even a lifelong one. Why do you suppose this is Chris?
Well I think prior to the 40s when B12 was discovered, vegans legitimately ran a higher risk than omnivores. But now a tidal wave of studies make it clear how healthy it is, unless you have celiac disease or some intolerance. That's also true of fish. It can be part of a healthy diet unless you have some allergy or intolerance. If someone is having problems with fish or any food, the responsible thing is to find out why.
@@PlantChompers "But now a tidal wave of studies make it clear how healthy it is, unless you have celiac disease or some intolerance." "...a tidal wave of studies make it clear how healthy [the vegan diet] is"? Really? After what I have discovered about your ability, or lack there of, to interpret "studies", I am somewhat skeptical about this claim of yours Chris. What are the top three "studies" you are hanging your hat on that support your claim?
So many ex-vegans and carnivores obsess over how vegans look and yet they never criticize the average meat-eater that can be compared to a bowl of jello.
Excellent discussion countering her concerns. I learned a lot as always!! I was keto (eating animals, eggs and dairy) while eating a ton of veggies and a fruit a day. I've transitioned to WFPB because of migraines. It's easier to digest plants and fruits and my brain likes it foo!!
If I put a lump of cheese in front of my son and a bar of chocolate, I know what he’d choose. So what does that mean? Humans are instinctively wired to prefer chocolate because it’s better for us than cheese?
I have recently found your channel - Wow, what a breath of fresh air. Thank you so much for uploading so many science-backed, downright sensible articles. I’m currently doing a nutrition degree and all your video’s have highlighted so many amazing research articles/studies/papers. Many thanks indeed, x Have a beautiful weekend x
As someone who lost 96 pounds in a year, most of it on a vegan diet, and is far more active than he was maybe ever in his life before and is married to someone who got her immune disorders under control because of a vegan diet. There is no other diet for me anymore. However, I do think raising kids on a vegan diet can be a tricky topic, not from a nutritional point of view, but from a social one. Our friends have a kid in kindergarten and they chose not to force special dietary wishes, since they don‘t want their kid to be excluded because Of it. And they can’t control what she is eating away from home. But if I had kids, I would raise them on a vegan diet and eventually give them their own choice. Anyway, great video, I especially adore Dr. Klaper. I wish you and your family health and joy.
I agree with every word you wrote. One of our adult children really loves meat and is raising his kids on a meat-heavy diet, but we value family harmony over worrying about it.
4:28 looking forward to the episode with a hematologist. The topic of functional iron deficiency is very interesting, especially as it relates to allergy and autoimmunity. The work of Franziska Roth-Walter on lipocalin 2 and birch pollen allergen Bet v 1 is really interesting. Lipocalin 2 is an iron binding protein that has roles in host defense against intracellular pathogens and also neurodegenerative diseases. Regulation of lipocalin 2 expression seems to be inversely related to that of LRRK2 (seems to be, there's only one paper); LRRK2 is in turn inhibited by B12. I have been wanting to read more on this topic, but have not had enough time. But anyway, the problem with functional iron deficiency is that consuming more iron may not fix it, and might even make matters worse if the problem is gut dysbiosis or infection by something that is iron-dependent. My daughter had stool microbiome testing that showed an overgrowth of Klebsiella - if this is accurate then that would explain a lot as Klebsiella is iron hungry & host defense involves increasing hepcidin production. ~ There's probably a fair number of people out there with STEM backgrounds who are interested in reading the original research articles.
The fundamental problem with Juliette Autumn is she gives advise on how you should feed your kids. This woman doesn't have one qualification to do so. Her entire CZcams channel is dedicated to knocking a whole food plant based diet and literally nothing else. She herself produces absolutely nothing of value. It's little wonder she only has a couple of thousand subscribers.
Please do an episode on milk in children's diets and breast and prostate health later in life! You always do a great job on each topic. I look forward to watching it! Thank you.
Thanks! I will. I'm working on the iron episode and I'm pretty shocked to read from hematologist after hematologist that feeding cow's milk to kids younger than two is a leading cause of anemia with them, because the proteins in milk are inflammatory enough to their intestines that they continually lose small amounts of blood in their stools. At first I thought that must be conjecture, but they talk as if it's common knowledge.
Yes Chris, and when you do get around to doing the video about children and milk it would be worth a mention that there is a stronger correlation between type 1 diabetes in children who are genetically predisposed, and cow's milk than lung cancer and smoking.
We agree, very respectful and well backed answers, and we also love seeing all of you lovely family, it is an inspiration!!! Way to go!!!!! a big hug from Argentina!!!
Thank you Chris, your well researched information, vibrant lifestyle, and amazing family provide all the inspiration I need. How wonderful to have such a healthy family! It is clear how much you adore your grandchildren and I am sure the feeling is mutual!
I love 7th Day Adventists! I am hoping to go to Loma Linda to interview Gary Fraser and some of the others about the Adventist 2 study, which I find fascinating.
"Foot fruit" 🤣. More for me I say! The first thing I look for when I travel is papaya. Topped with granola and roasted pepitas and washed down with black coffee it is a breakfast second to none in my book. Perhaps more importantly I want to say thank you and please keep the videos coming Chris. I always learn so much both from the content and the grace and clarity with which you address counter points and criticism.
Malnourished..... This is what most children looked like. I think people are so accustomed to seeing overweight children, that they don't know what children should look like. I had 5 sisters and one brother, we all looked like this growing up!
Your controlled patient civilised retort to her (frankly) nasty poorly-informed dullard claims is more than admirable!!! She should find a mirror, a massive one, and take a long hard look at herself and her actions.
It is so exhausting seeing videos of people criticising plant based lifestyle based on one or two studies. It appears that this woman can read and is concerned about the health of her children and other peoples children. How is it possible to miss the overwhelming evidence proving health benefits of a plant based diet and feeling right about feed her loved once a disease promoting diet? Absolutely mind boggeling. Thanks for the good video.
Wow, Bruce, and you're in the lowest risk category. Iron is the #1 nutrient deficiency in the world and also appears to be the one with the highest number of people getting too much, so the topic is super fascinating to me.
@@PlantChompers I can't wait to hear your research. In the meantime, I eat six dates during my hour-long daily Max Trainer and Dreadmill workout. My go-to favorite snack is avocado toast with cashew savory cream, black beans, greens, and salsa. This all seems to help.
Yes, please do an episode on milk and cancer connection. No wait, do an episode on anything and I'll watch it. Just make sure to include some more cow close- ups!
Hahaha, thanks! Those were two adorable cows. I'm kicking myself because I forgot to include the pigs! We have hairy pigs that are the most adorable things I've ever seen. My wife and I melt when we see them.
The Sphingolipids in dairy destroy cancer cells. That's why Japan the country with the highest life expectancy and one of the lowest cancer and obesity rates in the world serves whole milk in the Japan school lunch system for evidence based reasons. They do not serve any plant type milk because that is not good for their health or the environment.
@@beepbeepnj2658 Where is the evidence? no human needs the milk of another species that weighs over 700 pounds at 1 year old with massive hormones, and bones that weigh over 75 pounds. When animals are weaned they never return to mothers milk, but humans believe we should drink milk after the age of three. The Japanese are being influenced by the dairy industry which brainwashed American families for so many years;. There is a large reason that countries whose citizens consume the most dairy also have the highest rates of osteoporosis and breast cancer. This is why Asian countries traditionally had very LOW breast cancer rates, AND their women had SMALL breasts , they drank soymilk, not dairy products. Luckily, humans are waking up and giving up dairy. The largest dairy producer in the USA went bankrupt within the past two years. Peace.
I subscribed tonight at the beginning when I heard you mention you had other videos about wheat and you had family who are sensitive. The Bonus in subscribing as I continued watching is how polite and warm of a person you are just as many here have said PLUS you have excellent skills in creating videos and making content with all the wonderful creatures and adorable grandchildren ! The interview cracked me up and was really fun to watch. The kiddos look very healthy (emotionally, mentally and spiritually) and extremely intelligent !!
Huh, interesting. Kids should look robust and not robust looking kids are frail, sickly and probably vegan to boot. I was an absolute rake for the first 16 years of my life. In fact, I was so thin that my mother was often concerned I could develop an ED right under her nose (I didn't). All this happened while knowing nothing about veganism, so I ate what most people would consider a fairly healthy Western diet: No takeout, no fastfood, almost no snacks or sweets, but vegetable rich homemade food with eggs and lean meat and one to two glasses of milk per day. I was very active too. (Portion size was not restricted. If I wanted seconds, I'd have seconds or thirds.) Weird, how all this healthy food led me down a road of heavy IBS symptoms (and eventually being overweight) , that would only get a lot better when I found my way to the nutrient deficient "vegan diet". Oh, btw., my congenital "definitely not diet related" heart disease, that's been in the family for as long as anybody can remember, has been getting a whole lot better too! No, it won't just vanish into thin air, but the difference ever since I switched diets has been absolutely staggering. My current cardiologist actually now believes he misdiagnosed me for the first 7 years. He didn't. The diagnosis has been confirmed by multiple specialists. It's mind-boggling what a really healthy diet of plants can do.
I was vegan for 2.5 years. At first I felt great. Yes, I did some extreme experiments with fruitarianism and even ate only potatoes for 2 weeks. But mainly I ate a balanced whole foods plant based diet. Like I said, at first I felt great. But after about 1.5 years, I started to lose steam. I aged prematurely, developed worsened anemia, insomnia, debilitating fatigue, and a heart arrhythmia. I had to switch back to an omnivore diet and I immediately felt better. My heart arrhythmia resolved immediately. I’m glad plant based works for some people but I don’t think it’s for everyone.
@@mikebrigandi_ Yes - diet & supplements - each person has unique needs and not everyone takes the time to find their exact vegan needs. And most doctors don't have enough info to go on in order to support their vegan patients and recommend what they actually need for their unique bodies and systems.
The fact you tried these ridiculous diets is telling. Every vegan I know who eats normally is fine. Meat is not magical, you just had to find the cause of your problems rather than taking the easy way out.
I have been wfpb vegan for over 10 years. I have had three healthy babies and one on the way (all born eating the same diet) We are all slender but have above average lean muscle mass. My husband and I have always been slim and going vegan has really helped us gain energy and be able to build strength and muscle. One major difference I notice in our children is that they are far less sick than the other kids, seem to have more energy and do not have any chronic illnesses or allergies. I have no idea when the whole "kids need to have fat on them to be healthy" started. I notice chronic obesity in children where we live and its sad to see adults not arming their kids with the best chance of being healthy adults. I know not all standard american diet children are ill or fat but the population that we see is definitely getting larger. I love these videos. I would love you to do more. Everyone would benefit from eating more plants!!
I forgot to add that I get my bloods done yearly and since I changed my diet, all my bloods have come back optimal, including b12, iron and protein. We do a b12 supplement but that is a deficiency across all diets.
When this video popped up in my feed a week ago, I also throught that vegans were undernourished. Now, After binge-watching all video’s of this channel I changed my tune…
Love your textbook “killing them with kindness” (and facts) approach to what could easily be considered an unwarranted personal attack on your lovely family.
I really admire the way you went about addressing the topic in such a respectful and collected manner, even though it could be seen by many as a direct attack on your family and their way of life. As always, really appreciate your videos!
Indeed. My thoughts exactly
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Indeed respect for that, I would never could do it in such way...
So true! But in the end I wanted to know what “robust” meant to her in her criticism.
I also think she missed the boat on cheese, so many children hate cheese, its an acquired taste for many.
@@sw6118 the same thing that gets released when you take heroine gets released when you eat cheese (in far smaller amounts). Most people are pretty obsessed with cheese to the extent that many will sit and talk about cheese.
Oh, yeah, "robust" children. I'm from an Eastern European country and I have several friends who have emigrated to various Western countries. A lot of them have been confronted by their children's teachers, principles and nurses and accused of abusing and not feeding their kids, because their children look too "skinny" and stand out like a sore thumb from the rest of the class. These people are not even vegan or very healthy eaters. A lot of westerners just have no idea anymore what a normal weight looks like, especially in growing children. Babies and toddlers are supposed to be plump, not children.
@Axileus it is your second comment where you use a strawman.
Who on Earth was claiming here that frail kids with bags under their eyes are healty?
@Axileus According to my now-grown children's family doctor, dark circles under the eyes are called "allergy shiners." I am an overweight vegan (yes, it actually happens) with dark circles - which I have had all of my life, even during omnivore years. During spring they are big enough to look atrocious as I deal with budding tree pollen. My kids who decided to not be vegan at adulthood still have their dark circles if they had them as vegan kids.
Might also be the slavic features
@@nitesan2814 we're not slavic. Also, you're very wrong implying such major typological differences among European ethnicities.
Eastern Europeans feed less processed food and more appropriate portions. I'm from Central Russia and grew up eating Russian style food combined with a German diet as I grew up in Germany. My Mum's frame was far less stocky than mine as she (unlike me) continued consuming an exclusively Russian style diet. I looked like the average northern Europe kid. Tall and stocky. Obviously that's just anecdotal evidence but Russian women overall have more slender figures than German women yet the Russian girls I know here in Germany have very "German" figures.
I had to laugh because my vegan girlfriend, who still struggles with losing weight, was recently told by one of her diabetic junk-food-eating co-workers that her vegan diet wasn't working. With a banger bloodwork panel, including an A1C at 5.0, I'd say that she's doing pretty good even if she's losing the weight slower than she'd like. As always, this was a fantastic video!
I get the same thing but yes at 60 and vegan since 2015 and having been a alcoholic and obese I feel its much better bloodwork wise😉 i listen to the science not the clueless
If u eat vegan junkfood, sure it can be true
As someone who had a heart attack at age 52, I would be very happy to go back in time and switch to a whole-food plant-based diet. Fortunately, four years on a Esselstyn-style diet has reversed my angina and I feel better now than I did in my 20s. p.s. I love the positivity on this channel!
The founder of the vegan society died of heart disease. Stop taking advice from charlatans.
@@Noreason2bvegan You might want to look at the published work by these so-called charlatans.
Yes, Donald Watson died of an apparent heart attack. At age 95. I did three episodes on how long health influencers live and try as I might and despite scouring everything I could find and recruiting volunteers to help, I couldn't only find one high meat eater to made it to his mid eighties. The others started dying in their 30s and really picked up velocity in their 50s. czcams.com/video/dMghM6TxiBk/video.html
@ignoreme imdumb you think there is scientific evidence supporting the idea that humans are herbivores? Lol
@ignoreme imdumb your name is pretty accurate I’d say. I’m ex vegan, I used to believe what you believe until I came across much better information… so no. It’s not bias, it’s science & over a decade of research.
If you're older you remember most kids were skinny in the 60s and 70s...it was the default build for highly active kids. People have now become so accustomed to seeing people who are overweight or obese that they think there most be something wrong with you if you're slim. The reality is, a high percentage of people who live to be over 100 years old are slim...especially men.
Diets high in animal products have multiple effects. One is stimulating the release of insulin like growth factor. That will make your cells grow faster including muscle cells, but it also makes cancer cells grow faster. Health is very much a marathon...not a sprint...and you have to look at long term effects of diet and exercise to get a clear picture of what is likely to be good for your health.
Such a bright comment!
Diets high in carbohydrates stimulate insulin the most and high carb low fat diets are the cause of the worst health problems In our societies. I personally think there's no one size that fits all but we are omnivores so I wouldn't go purely carnivore or vegan.
@@onepunchflan3071 sources or just your personal opinion based on what you hope is healthy so you can keep eating it?
@@onepunchflan3071 do you mean carbs or high fructose sugary foods?
@Axileus what other animal is consuming milk from another animal after being ledweaned?
Thank you for the very intelligent, and respectful, manner in which you framed your response. I was born in 1960 and my mother’s physician directed her to feed me blended-up meat from the age of 6 weeks, followed by a diet primarily of meat, milk and cheese for the rest of my childhood! Needless to say, I’ve struggled with weight issues my whole life. I would have given anything to be a thin child. Your family appears strong, healthy, and happy…and the compassion expressed by your grandkids is heartening. Turning to a plant-based diet has been a godsend for me. Keep up the great videos!❤️👍❤️
meanwhile I have lost 25% of my body weight eating meat, butter, eggs and cheese.
I think we have "boiling frogged" ourselves into seeing overweight and obese people as normal. I encourage everyone to look for news photos and even family photos from back in the sixties. Nearly everyone looked thin and no one thought anything about it.
Exactly right
Ditto
Because they are “normal” - as most people are overweight. That makes it even more sad.
as a European(mainland, not UK), with a different perspective, I totally agree.Perhaps because most of the people around me have a normal body. For me, it is also mind-blowing to read US articles and see photograph of people with so called"No underlying conditions who died of Covid" , whilst it is so obvious they are seriously overweight. An overweight friend of mine said she felt and was looked upon as slim while she was on a 2 month holiday in the US (in the 90's). In the US, being overweight is perceived as "normal"; Your grandkids are perfectly normal from a European perspective, don't worry. Nobody would even think twice about their weight here in Belgium...
This, even me when I was like 15 pounds overweight would get "girl, you're so skinny"
Also In an obese society, even normal weight people look "too thin". Almost my entire family is overweight or obese, and eat garbage. I was into running/biking/hiking, and my BMI was a stable 21 for over a decade, and every visit for over a decade, some relatives would always comment that I was "too thin".
Exactly!
@Han Boetes my peeve: totally socially acceptable to say: too thin
With a BMI of 21, I get the same shade from people who need to lose 20+ pounds. It's annoying.
Same, I'm a BMI of 20/21 and always get told I'm too thin. Part of it is genetics as I have the exact physique of my skinny Italian relatives, but my closest relatives eat meat and they're more chubby looking and gain weight easily, whereas as the only one who hasn't eaten meat in decades, I've always been slender.
@@TheBwithers Fat people tend to be lazy/unmotivated. It's easier to call a normal healthy person "too thin" than to deal with "I'm fat."
I love how generously you give credit to every even partially valid point. It would be easy to get defensive when being publicly criticized, and so unfairly. Especially when your kids and grandkids are the target. I like your approach and attitude, and I'm kind of in awe of your equanimity in this particular situation.
(Yes please on episode on cancer risks from animal products. Also, I wonder if there's any research on people going vegan after getting cancer, and whether they fair any better.)
I realize this comment is a bit old, but in case you read this - check out Chris Wark of Chris Beat Cancer.
NoCarbLife if you are serious.
Your adult children and their children are beautiful, well-spoken and glowing with good health.
As a mature woman who is vegan and an adjunct nutrition instructor, I appreciate your informative, warm and humorous videos.
My vegan child was a pale blonde child as thin and frail looking as a feather. Her arms and legs were thin as a stick. She never was sick...she could outrun all her classmates...she could climb any tree...and..she did...she did get one small cavity during childhood. She grew into a lovely, strong, young woman. Now she hikes mountains. She's still slender with no blood sugar problems and low blood pressure.
People have gotten used to seeing obese children, so a normal looking child appears to be sick
@@ASMRyouVEGANyet exactly, when your thin you stand out. overweight is the norm.
@@cypriano8763 And being sick is the norm. I work in healthcare and see all diseases that used to be adult-only are now affecting children before they even become teenagers.
@@ASMRyouVEGANyet lol.
@@ASMRyouVEGANyet that’s it, people here in America are way too big, you realize this when you travel to other countries. Even the non obese people here are big.
I am a teacher, so I enjoy hearing the children’s comments and seeing their unpolished actions in front of the camera. They all seem to have high self-esteem and solid confidence, although it is difficult to anticipate the unpredictable and far-reaching impact of social media.
What I love is: if people lose weight on a keto diet, carnivores say “Great job! You look fantastic! So fit and trim.“ If people are fit and trim on a vegan diet, carnivore say “Wow, you look skinny. You’re wasting away! You need to look more robust.”
Yep
Absolutely!
With respect to you, it’s not carnivores that say these things, it’s ex vegans. They may be carnivores now, but by far the greatest critics of the vegan diet are ex vegans. There are hundreds if not thousands of ex vegans on CZcams. I’m not one of them. I’m just here for the drama. Good luck to you!
Can you show me any examples of this? In my experience I've only noticed carnies referencing people who are clearly unwell and malnurished.
@Engelbert Humperdinck There is no such thing as an ex vegan. People who stop eating animals for the animals never go back. There are many people with eating disorders and many other health disorders that have dabbled in a plant based diet and failed. Just like people who dabble in other diets. Those tend to be the outspoken. Also many people claim to be vegan on youtube for shock or notoriety but actually never were vegan.
I'm so thrilled to find your channel. My vegan daughter and son in law just had their first baby and he's five months old and learning to eat chili already. Breast fed, learning about fruits and veggies and yes, chili and he's a happy, healthy robust little boy (minus the rolls of fat) with incredible energy....and I've just passed this video on to her so that she can have her decision to raise him vegan, reinforced by you and your wonderful guests and your terrific grandkids. Thank you so much.
Wonderful rebuttal to those concerns. Parents are often unable to correctly identify a child's weight category. In a 2014 meta-analysis by Lundahl published in Pediatrics, half of nearly 16,000 parents misclassified their child who had overweight/obesity as having a normal weight. If parents think a child with obesity is normal weight then they may easily conclude that another child with normal weight is underweight.
This is one of the most refreshing response videos I have seen in a long time. You are so polite, well versed and incredibly convincing. It was a delight listening to you. I particularly liked the way you approached "adult bullying". Just the right amount of irony and shade. Just subscribed, thanks so much for your work.
Perfect response. Please don't change anything you're doing, it's making a real difference.
My chronically underweight and skinny-minny partner went vegan when she was 45 years old and is normal BMI for the first time in her life as a 50 year old after eating a wfpb diet and resolving terrible gas, pain, and bloating that lead to food avoidance.
Maybe she had allergies or a bad relationship with certain components of an omnivore diet
Gas, pain and bloating is literally what comes from a vegan non meat diet. Hence me I'm omnivores I get gas and fart like once every 2 or 3 weeks. Meat is the cue! Trust 😂
I have 3 healthy vegan children who are excelling.
I loved the exchange with your grandkids at the end, what special little kids 🌱
Love how mature you are about your responses, some people will be offended and say it's non of her business. Your response is actually turn out to be a teachable moment.
Best channel ever. I’ve been struggling with my decision to eat a plant-based diet. These videos have strengthened my resolve to fight through the urges to eat meat, cheese, and eggs again. Thank you for doing what you do.
A great documentary to check out is What The Health. It's free here on youtube and Netflix too. Talks all about the addiction behind cheese and also how animal agriculture is destroying our environment. It's incredibly powerful.
I really enjoyed the walk and talk format so we could vicariously enjoy the beautiful scenery and the visits with the non human animals! I hope you do more of these.
Been a Vegan for 4 years and Vegetarian for 20 years, trust me that's the best decision of my life and I'm 40 and never been to hospital for illness and on annual blood check up, the doctor's always are surprised to see such a perfect blood reports.
I can run non-stop for 4 kms and walk upto 20 kms and play Badminton for 3 hours continuously. None of my non-Vegan friends can complete with me even though my weight is higher than them.
more and more vegans are getting out of it over health issues.. your experience doesn't mean anything,, I have the opposite lifestyle 57 yo look 43 in great physical shape outrun kids at work and never been ill.. so what's your point?
That's great to hear man. Personally low carb medium protein and a high fat eating plan alongside intermittent fasting has been the only protocol that has kept me in optimal health.
What is your diet like ☺️
@@cianciaway883 but what about your cardiovascular system?
@@bazileia9222 it's absolutely fine man.. why wouldn't it be ?
I say this every single video, but yet another incredibly interesting piece of content from Plant Chompers! You dealt with the situation with grace and actually answered a lot of questions I’ve had. Your grandkids are lovely! The fact that they care about animal welfare at this young age is commendable. I’ve explained to my kids about poor animal welfare involved in factory farming but they don’t seem to have as much empathy as your grandkids lol. Well done!!
Thank you, Lygia! Your comments always give me a boost. 😁 I think there are a lot of people who believe vegans are malnourished, right? That's the first thing my friends think when I get to marathon race weight. That comment from Daniel about the animals... He has such a good heart.
@@PlantChompers yay I’m glad! You do great work! And yes in my case I worry about feeding my kids mainly vegan stuff even though it’s what I eat lol so this video was a big help.
When I was listening to interviews of Reshma Shah, Gemma Newman and Brenda Davis, I just could not believe what a grasp they had on studies, the authors, how they were done, what they showed, etc. They sent me scurrying to studies I hadn't paid attention to that turned out to be great (like the German study I referenced in this episode). And all that impressive knowledge led to....raising their own families vegan. That was a confidence booster to me too.
It's funny that anti-vegans never mention someone like Niami Delgado as a "malnourished" vegan. I'm a vegan bodybuilder and am part of a large Instagram community of vegan and plant-based bodybuilders.
I'm a researcher and have eaten a vegan diet for almost a decade, and whenever someone says you can't build muscles just eating plants, I just link them to pictures of vegan bodybuilders. At 61, I've seen no difference--when I lift some weights, my muscles plump up like they did before I went vegan, and when I don't I lose that mass the same as before.
Good luck.
@@karlwheatley1244 sounds familiar, I'm 63 year old nurse and have been vegetarian for 40 years. Just within the last 2 years my wife and I decided to be complete vegan diet and we feel great. I do yoga, hiking cycling and some weights training at our local gym, and I am not too thin by any means. If anything I tend to eat too many carbs however I also eat lots of leafy green vegetables so I get plenty of fiber too
I'd like to see one of these critical non-vegans take on a vegan silverback gorilla 😂
I'm also a bodybuilder.
I want to become vegan, how do you manage to get enough calories?
Omg so what. Did you know chimpanzees are NOT vegan! We share 98% DNA with them. Why not just eat occasional meat? Why change from our natural point. If you have only 1 tiny valid point i will consider but omg you wont youre in a cult 😅😅@louisehibbert9768
Thank you Chris MacAskill for your curiosity, enthusiasm, knowledge, passion, & scientific approach to nutrition. I married a wonderful woman who was basically vegetarian when I met her 25 years go. Which led me towards vegetarianism. Seeing loved ones suffer from poor health and reading books like "The China Study", motivated us to raise our five kids mostly on food from plants. The more we learned from doctors like Caldwell Esselstyn, Dean Ornish, Michael Greger, & T. Colin Campbell the more we knew whole food plant based was the way to go. We've been vegan since we cut out cheese and seafood a few years ago. Our children are all tall, slender, and most importantly healthy and vibrant. In fact, I have to look up to my 20 year old son who is 6'1". It looks like 3 of the 5 will be as tall if not taller than me (5'8") but all are leaner than I had been at any of their ages. I believe they are healthier too thanks to the conscious food choices and trajectory we set as a family. Again thank you and please keep sharing what you learn and discover. Even though I've read and seen a lot, I have learned some great stuff on your channel since I found it a few months ago. I look forward to the complete interview with Dr Klapper in the near future. Keep up the great work!
Thanks MR Matt! You've rattled off the names of some of my heroes. I really think Dr. Campbell is correct that the saturated fat in animal foods is only part of the story and animal protein plays a major role in the unhealthy aspect of meat. And it looks like the heme iron in meat is another large factor. More on that next episode.
I'm so glad your family turned out to be so healthy.
This is generous, sincere and inspiring reply to a video that whiffs pretty hard of concern trolling. I wish I had your equanimity in the face of bad faith and unkindness. But thank you for giving me something to emulate. And by the way, to anyone who isn't desperate for self-justification, your family is absolutely beautiful.
Thank you Liz! I wish I could include more of the grands but some of my children don't want their kids exposed to social media and I have to respect that.
The woman seemed quite nice and made very obvious points
@@berternie6181 I disagree.
@@relaxo2739 you can disagree with the truth all you want, it won't change reality
@@berternie6181 soooo... You didn't watch the video :(
Honestly, I came on here thinking that I was going to find an argument against veganism, thinking maybe I was wrong in my nutritional approach. My husband and I have been primarily plant based for the past few months and have tried plant based eating off and on for the past year. I was so delighted to discover such a well-backed informative video assuaging those doubts. Thank you for making this! Also, your grandkids are freaking adorable!
While this channel seems give you proper scientific information, which is true of course, and his evidence is very convincing, but I’ll say something is very off from reality. This something is likely more important than everything he showed you in his whole channel. Remember, he only promotes the vegan researches, not the other side. Everyone wrote about vegan is fantastic, and anyone does not agree with that is problematic.
@@LittleRadicalThinker what are you talking about??? He promotes non industry funded research?? He is exactly the person that you should listen too. Nice approach but I have seen how you actually respond on most vegan pages, go on your meat eating pages with like minded people 👋🏻
@@ronbright2207 Doesn’t matter what I eat, and doesn’t matter what everyone eats, his information is extremely misleading with ultra bias against keto across all of his videos, and by this, he should not be called scientist himself. From all perspectives, except current mainstream vegan view, all evidence pointed out directly humans are keto eaters, from historically perspective, human physiology perspective, evidence perspective. He gives excuses to Ancel Keys’s 7 countries study to ignore data from other 15 countries which in the same study, never in his mind would think actually the 7 countries study is seriously ultra flawed by ignoring 2/3 of the data, scientists call this cherry picking. Never in his mind that excuses can be anything to get rid of the data didn’t match the bias of Ancel Keys’s bias. And sadly, this study became the corner stone of almost all future nutritional studies and caused this obesity/diabetes epidemic because no doctors ever care how things began with their busy schedule, but they only care how things should be done without breaking the rules to get their license revoked.
@@ronbright2207 and by the way, vegan has become a religion, a cult. Chris said in his channel all the time, vegan scientists are doing good hard and credible science, and all those opposing vegans simply are not doing science. There are hundreds of red flags like this all over his videos.
At the end of the day, no matter how ridiculous science might look like, it has to make logical sense when doing the right logic thinking. Let’s say in front of your ancestors have two plates, one full of fatty red meats ready to eat, and one is great green salad, what do you think your ancestors would eat? He would eat as much fatty meats as possible before he realized it and had absolutely no appetite for the great green salad at all. This sounds ridiculous nowadays but energy dense foods are the most prioritized things for the entirety of all animals because less than enough calories means death since the beginning of existence of animals. Eating salad all day long is by far the worst strategy to survive in history.
@@LittleRadicalThinker you are writing a lot of words without very little substance. The science is there, you are just choosing to ignore it, why do you claim to be so educated yet you don’t display your actual name????? Hmmmm
The world needs more Chris McCaskills. Your commentary is science based, warm, thoughtful and uplifting. The last seven or so years has shown me how mean-spirited people can be towards others. I am an older millenial but have seen the devolution of decency in our discourse. It used to be that a small segment of the population would say/do egregious things to others (esp. in public) nowadays people commonly fight and harass others at retail centers and airports (among other places). I mention this because I think people are extremely critical of their fellow humans in ways I have not experienced before.
The context you provided in this video is very helpful to understanding the other CZcamsr's critique. I ❤ Anne and her kids although I have only come to know her through your videos. This video was hilarious in particular your interview with your grandchildren that included the baby looking on curiously in the background, so hilarious.
Keep uploading great content, we appreciate it!
Thank you, Weston, that means a lot to us. I made this episode partly because these kids are eventually going to see the comments on Juliette's channel about them and I hope they are prepared for a world that is very different than the world I grew up in.
Couldn't agree more, thanks for your special videos Chris.
I so agree with this. We have lost basic decency & respect for others. People have become vicious towards others, and instead of putting a little thought into responding to people with respect and compassion, we’re becoming like the movie, “Idiocracy.” At least, that’s what I’m seeing online. In person, where I am in Texas, thankfully, most people are still decent to each other.
I haven’t watched this whole video and just discovered this channel, but I love how gracious and good-natured he is about this! What a great example for others to see. ❤️ Subscribed!
This is now my favourite channel on youtube. I really like how everything you are saying are based on facts and research rather than feelings and emotions. This is one of the most underrated channels on youtube, and you deserve much more followers! Cheers! :)
LOVE THIS! My family is vegan and I am FAR from thin 😂 but since I converted I was able to fully HEAL myself and avoid surgery! My daughters digestive issues have also sorted itself out and we are better then ever… this girl is lost 🤯
I'm so tired of this. My mother and I have never been deficient with our bloodwork. You cannot tell if someone is deficient in something by looking at them.
I am so glad I found this channel. Taking criticism seriously is probably the single best thing anyone can do but it takes honesty and a capacity for self criticism that is frankly rare.
The results however, as here, are always rewarding - not only in the raising of issues and debate but also showing how this discourse can be conducted.
Calmly destroying anti-vegan nonsense "they aren't fat like my kids so they must be malnourished." Awesome work as usual.
He is also promoting anti-vegan nonsense by insisting that vegans MUST supplement B12.
We all know that's a lie, it's just snake oil
I shared a reference on my comment at the top
@Vegan Vacancy I mean, racists are here to stay as well.... How's the price of meat doing?
@Vegan Vacancy will you deny that the amount of people going plant based is sky rocketing?
@Vegan Vacancy why is Spain in a heated debate right now over animal agriculture as more and more people stop eating animal products there?
I was very skinny as a child and I ate the standard American diet. I was low on iron until I became vegan. It seems like a lot of ex-vegans were eating extreme and very unbalanced diets. Before giving up on veganism, it might help to track your diet on cronometer. I'm not familiar with Juliette Autumn, so she may have done that. On a lighter note, it sure was nice seeing all that beautiful nature!
Oh good! I was hoping that walking in the forest was a nice change and not distracting. I liked it. The only thing is after I saw the footage, I wished I'd busted out my bigger camera instead of using the GoPro. The GoPros don't focus up close like that very well.
@ Melissa hi! Nice to meet another person who was low in iron when they ate meat yet is no longer deficient after they went vegan. I was an anemic meat eater, became an ethical vegan and no longer have anemia, never took iron.
Hi Melissa! I'm actually an ex vegan and from personal experience I was eating WFPB (with the exception of tofu). I struggled with pretty gnarly bloating, undigested particles, and malaise about a year into it. It was a very balanced diet, the problem was that my body couldn't handle the quantities of fiber without the issues above. I think it had to do with me being raised with very minimal fruits and veggies in my diet. Introducing animals products back into my diet fixed all those problems. And I tried everything I could to avoid eating meat also. I did a food journal, to see if it was a specific food. I was doing elimination diets etc. I tried really hard to stay vegan but I wasn't doing well with it.
@@rethinktone That's great that you're feeling better! Your health comes first. Maybe one day you'll be able to give veganism another shot.
@@rethinktone Yes, I know there are "gut experts" that say this can be fixed and they are probably right, but those solutions aren't available to most of us yet, so we do what we can in our circumstances. I have no such problems, but I know that an infection or antibiotics (sometimes they are necessary) could change that and I'm a bit afraid of that because I like my plantbased life.
I wish I had discovered your videos before reading all those books on Keto and low carb diets (fortunately I didn't go down the Carnivore path). Although I haven't jumped over to the full vegan way of life yet, I will certainly be adding more fruits and vegetables and less meat to my eating. Your channel is my favourite youtube spot.
I am a single dad who have raised vegan twins for almost eleven years now. My son is a very picky eater to the point where I want to pull my hair out! He is in the 80th percentile in height and 50th in weight. My daughter is in the 20th percentile in height and weight. She eats like a horse. So I am pretty convinced that the size of our frame is mostly dictated by genetics and not what we eat. We did a bone age test for my daughter and our pediatrician said she is not stunted but a late grower, and from what I hear that may be a blessing for her. Late puberty also means she has more time to grow before the end of puberty stops her growth.
I would’ve done anything to hold off on puberty a few years, I wonder what effect it has on children’s brains too, I’ve noticed my school performance go up since being plant based but that may be coincidental
Thank you so much for sharing this. We've been vegan for 3 years now. After losing three friends to heart attacks in their 40s, we were motivated. Our 3 young kids made the switch with us and I'm always looking for research about vegan kids. This episode gave me so much relief. I'd love to see more info on vegan kids. I'd also love to connect with other vegan families so my kids see they aren't the only ones and vegan/plant-based doctors so we can stay up to date easily. My Dr is supportive (God bless her), but she's not plant-based and has to do her own research to answer my questions.
Juliette is like many other people who come from a purely anecdotal perspective. She doesn't comment on the excessive calories kids take in and mostly from junk. Lab work matters not opinions on looks.
I wish I were that thin, however, I'm working on it. I'm vegan but eat too much due to stress. I used to be thin. I will be again.
Just letting you know that we are a vegan family. I have a just turned 12 year old son, vegan from birth, 5 foot 6 inches tall, skinny as a rake (like his dad). Towers over his peers. Footy champion, beach sprinter, incredible violinist and goes to an acedemically gifted school. My teenage daughter normal height, also acedemically and musically gifted as well a champion tap dancer etc. She is at the most exclusive high school in Australia for music and academics, entry Only by examination, interview and performance audition. Only supplements we take is B12. Tell your daughter not to doubt a vegan diet for kids!
The funny thing is I am of Polish heritage, so my kids 50%. I was in Warsaw 2 years ago and Veganism is huge in Poland. Especially Warsaw. So I can see why the study was done on vegan kids. They should have looked at my kids😁
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None of those kids looked “too thin” they just look healthy to me our society has deemed healthy as “too thin”
I agree.
We have gotten used to seeing very fat people everywhere, particularly in N. America.
Good on you for addressing this topic in such a rational way. I do think there is something incredibly sad, where we are so use to seeing unhealthy children, that healthy children are seen as malnourished.
Great video! beautifully calm, friendly and informed response. My two 'robust' vegan children would echo your childrens comments!
I LOVE it that you actually show us the studies and break them down into relatable language. As a vegan dietitian, which wasn’t easy to do at the time when I did it, I feel like a lot of people who don’t know what they’re looking at, interpret science without understanding. Thank you for what you do.
My Family was worried I looked too thin when I went vegan last year, but then they realized it was just because they were too fat.
Now my parents hopped the bandwagon to finally drop their Cholesterol.
Have them check out an on line calculator for BMI. It will tell them if they are over the recommended range, and how you fall on that spectrum.
Exactly. Sadly we've normalozed being overweight or obese, when people see a slim person they automatically think unhealthy, its backwards. I feel so bad for the overweight and obese children I see 😢
@@someguy2135 bmi won't tell you much
@@Incredible43 weve also changed the bmi requirements of overweight an obese to make those people happy
@@Vscustomprinting It doesn't tell the whole story, but other than for unusually highly muscled people, it tells a lot.
Plant Chompers you’re probably busy as hell but put out more vids!!! I can’t get enough of them 👍👍😅
I am a Seventh-day Adventist. My husband and I grew up in Romania where being a vegetarian was weird and frowned upon. Well, we raised two wonderful boys with a vegetarian diet. They were robust babies, healthy, and now as adults, they are thriving; no stunted growth, one is 6'4" and the other 6'7". I was never worried about raising my children a diet based on whole grains, fruits, vegetables, and nuts. These are the foods our bodies were designed to digest.
I've never watched your channel before, but appreciate all the research and your graceful response! I'm about 85% plant based (aged cheese & yogurt), and do so to manage my chronic illness. My diet is my best medicine and defense against inflammation, chronic pain and weakened immune system, which all come with my genetic condition I've suffered from most of my life.
I've done every single surgery, painful procedure, and have tried all the awful drugs, and expensive alternative treatments available over the last 20 yrs. I eventually stopped every treatment except the meds that made me more stable/ comfortable, went on hospice and when we changed my diet to liquids, something amazing happened-- I started improving!
Then I started eating almost nothing but hummus, avocados, and banana baby food, and it was calming my entire body!
Three years later and I've graduated to whole foods, no longer bed bound, and I'm able to live on my own!
You know how incredible that feels?!
I still have a very long way to go after 20 yrs of degenerative disease- it's not a cure, but it's being managed, and it's much less expensive than the stack of medical bills I used to have lol.
Yesterday I tried a little bit of chicken, and am paying for it today. Very bad idea, as is with any meat I attempt to consume.
I need to shake free the outdated idea that I'm better off consuming meat, because I think we've proven that's not the case.
God bless you and your family! Glad I found you today
Wow, Mary, I'm so sorry to hear about the health problems you've had, but it sounds like you're finding a formula that works for you. 👏💪❤️🥑 It's so good to hear this.
If she would just look back even just a generation ago, like my school pictures, we were all lean beans. She had no basis to comment on your family and you were very gracious to her!
I was a very thin omnivorous child back in the 1970s. Actually most kids were thin back then.
Kid: *has normal BMI
Americans: Wow! That kid is dangerously underweight!!
This is just so sad and just so TRUE!
As someone who has always been around 110 pounds I'm well used to the skinny comments and with some families it really is genetics. I'm the 7th sibling and all of us are slender and can eat whatever we want (lucky us). People are so quick to call out "body shaming" when someone is overweight but it seems to be so acceptable to give out to people for being slim. Everyone is different, if kids are healthy just let them grow at their own pace.
So true! I was a skinny kid and slim adult and have had years of people shaming - mean comments about my food. choices. I never understood, and still don't, why it mattered to them so much that I eat the cake/brownies/pudding/steak.
What that woman did was so inappropriate and she didn’t back up any of statements without information that didn’t confirmed her bias. You did such a thorough job here. Your grandkids are the luckiest! I’ve been vegan since 2003 and thank my lucky stars that my grandparents weren’t as receptive to fast food or as focused on meat as many people are these days. Your grandkids are adorable! Can you please make a video discussing antibiotic abuse and efficacy loss due to animal ag? I only wish more people realized what’s happening and what’s going to transpire in the coming years- 2 million people died from them last year. It keeps me awake at night sometimes thinking of what’s happening to this precious finite resource. Thank you again for your hard work, clear and concise information.
When you showed the bar graph that compared dietary groups and BMI in the Adventist 2 Study, you should have mentioned that the vegan group was the only one with an average BMI in the recommended range! Not just "lighter."
Yes, you are exactly correct.
I think you mean the National Institute of Health and a team of great scientists at universities like Oxford.
@@PlantChompers Right. Here is a quote from the Wikipedia article about it.
"Adventist Health Study 2 (AHS-2)
The current study which began in 2002 with a goal of 125,000 Adventists continues to explore the links between lifestyle, diet and disease among the broader base of Seventh-day Adventists in America and Canada. As of May 2006 it had an enrollment of 96,741.[8]
Dr. Gary Fraser with a team of researchers from the School of Public Health at Loma Linda University is conducting the study which is funded by the National Cancer Institute. In July 2011, National Institutes of Health awarded AHS-2 a $5.5 million 5-year grant to continue the study."
adventists are anti meat and cannot be trusted to produce honest research, avoid it like the plague
@@someguy2135 yes anti meat religious groups funding research and the outcomes they are looking for. This is when science gets corrupted.
There is no end to the number of arguments people invent to justify their addiction to animal food.
I am a 27 year old vegan (4 years) studying nutrition science to become a dietician. I plan to have my own youtube channel in the future and frankly I want to be just like you Chris. Great science and logic behind it all, keep fighting the good fight.
You can be more dynamic than me and appeal to youth! Can't wait to see your channel.
Being skinny used to run in my family as well but this is no longer true thanks to the good old standard American diet (SAD on multiple levels...). We have the family photos to prove it! Shame on Juliette for trying to skinny shame your family given she doesn't even know you... And I agree with many fellow commenters that you handled her criticisms with so much grace. This video is a master class in silencing haters in the nicest way possible.
I love all of your content, but as a mom of 4 boys ages 7-16, this one has a special place in my heart. I've been plant-based for 4 years and two of my boys eat like me and two eat like their omnivore father (who is supportive about trying my new foods but not quite ready to go plant-based). My boys are very different sizes in height and weight, but I find it interesting that my vegan kids are far more "robust" than my McDonalds obsessed oldest🤷♀️😉 I'm just glad that as adults they'll have the tools they need to feel great and protect their health... One thing is certain: this lifestyle has healed me and I'm never turning back😊 Thanks for giving me a happy place to learn and feel a sense of community from. I appreciate you!
4 boys! There is a special place in heaven for moms of four boys. We had three before having Anne, and that seemed like a handful.
@@PlantChompers Chris, I posted a genuine question over 20 hours ago and you seemed to have ignored it, so I shall repost it here:
Thank you Chris for sharing some background on your children's / grandchildren's experience as vegans.
May I ask, are there any second generation lifelong vegans or better still third generation?
Also, where does Anne obtain her cashews from to make her cashew cream?
I'm really enjoying your content, and appreciate your thoughtful response to having your family critiqued in such a personal way.
I think part of the problem stems from the fact that we now live in an era where thin children are the exception - but that wasn't always the case. I tend to marvel at old footage and photographs, and seeing just how slim everybody was.
And what actually qualifies Juliette Autumn to make such definitive statements about others? I mean, apart from failing at the relatively simple task of being vegan, what are her credentials or achievements?
Thanks, Mike. I think she means well - at least I hope she does - but somehow we're slipping into an age where doctors and scientists aren't as respected in America as they once were, I don't know why. Just look at how medical workers and infectious disease experts were our heroes when Covid arrived and now they are goats because they won't even prescribe Ivermectin when you get Covid.
@Mike McNally My thoughts too!
Juliette's credential is being an idiot
What a kind and civil way to respond to someone who committed the unthinkable (to us at least) by going after your family. She does not deserve the grace you gave her, but that's what puts you in a different class from any she can relate to. She'll be expecting you to attack in kind and likely won't know what to do when she gets this response instead.
I was one of those extremely healthy rail thin children on a mostly plant based diet but that changed in adulthood. I gained 60 lbs and developed fibromyalgia, IBS, hypertension, pre diabetes and hypercholesterolemia on a animal diet. I have reversed most of these on a low fat plant based diet. I would love to have continued my diet when I was rail thin and healthy. You are to be admired for your graceful rebuttal.
Thanks, Jacqueline. Yikes, I'm so sorry to hear about the conditions you developed but it's great you were able to see some reversal. What we eat can be such a profound factor in our lives.
A thorough respectful rebuttal. The animal product industry have really done a number on the general populations idea of nutrition. Bacon is a carcinogen yet is advertised all over the place, meanwhile Vegans have better health outcomes but are an inch smaller as kids "Vegan diets stunt children!" Smh. Great video as always 👍
Linoleic acid is the world's most-powerful carcinogen. Bacon is carcinogenic only insomuch as it contains linoleic acid.
@@aliendroneservices6621 Its the nitrates that make it carcinogenic
@@aliendroneservices6621 it's not the linoleic acid.
there's nothing better than grass fed animal products pound for pounds when it comes to nutrients, there's so much misinformation out there now because there's a lot of money to be made with vegan/non meat based foods. They can be factory created and patented versus cows that need a lot of time and attention with proper feeding.
Don't be so quick to judge meat,but do your due dillegence
When it comes to cholesterol maybe.
Another great video!! Really appreciate how you combat misinformation in such a calm and rational way
I personally think people "see" vegan lean-ness as looking "sickly" because we see soooo many overweight, unhealthy humans here in the USA.
Another great gem! You did a perfect balance with having the kids in. As well as brining the pediatrician opinion. Loved it all!
I've been thinking a bit about a normal weight in kids and adults. As more and more people become overweight it will be hard to tell who is actually normal. I myself would consider myself a normal weighted 28 year old, but after going mostly vegan last summer I lost a few kilos I didn't know I could - or even thought about losing. Does that mean I'm more "normal" weighted now?
Linked to this is that as long as you preface your choices with being "vegan" people will express concerns or try to find flaws with things you're doing. For example would people question my food choices more if I'm explaining that they're vegan. No-one would object to oat meal for breakfast, lentil stew for lunch and bean tacos for dinner, except if they're vegan.
Also vanity sizing doesn't help. What was a woman's size 14 in 1980 is now a size 10 today!
"robust" :))) is this a new word for fat? i used to be a very thin omnivore kid. as in very thin. no one seemed to be concerned although i always had calcium deficiencies. I am now a "robust" vegan and no longer have issues with calcium absorption. 🤷
Fat is the new normal. Being thin is therefore abnormal. Logical. 😆
Americans are used to seeing fat kids, so the sight of a healthy weight child is shocking.
Bingo! I lost weight on a plant-based diet and started getting close to my high school weight, and people started telling me to lose weight (they were so used to seeing me 40-45 pounds overweight, they couldn't face the fact that this slender me was actually the healthy weight me.
I'm vegan for 10 years (before vegetarian 30 years) and I look more than 10 years younger, I have no wrinkles, my weight is ok, my hair and skin in perfect condition, 3 years in menopause, but have no menopausal issues (like sweats, hair loss, osteoporosis... zero problems) I walk a lot and exercise 3 times a week in moderate way. I undergo preventive health check each year... if there was some problem, I would have already known.
I dont know what, i call plant based , it sounds healthier, vegan can be lots junk foods
I have always been unusually thin, even before I went plant based at around the age of 60. Whole plant foods are generally less calorically dense, but I did manage to reach the recommended BMI after going pure vegan by drinking one or two smoothies a day, along with everything else. Drinking calories makes a big difference. The smoothies were all whole food based, unless you don't consider sugar free plant milks, and unsweetened apple sauce to be whole foods. I also made sure to include things like pumpkin seeds for protein. I also made sure to do regular resistance training.
I was vegan/plant based for the majority of my life. Always very thin, would get sick more often than friends who didn’t care about their diet at all. Multiple blood tests per year, to make sure everything was on track with my diet.
Started taking fitness more serious, and lifting weights to put on a little size. No energy, joint pain, and not seeing many gains.
Decided to try and see what adding small amounts of meat into my diet did. Within a month you could physically see muscle size in my body. Keeping healthy weight on is easy, and I no longer look like if I trip I’ll break into 1000 pieces.
I go long periods without getting sick now. I used to eat very limited amounts of treats & grain and seed bread. Cut the sweets and “healthy bread” out and no more joint pain.
Bring vegan years back was a royal pain for a traveling professional. Now there’s so many wonderful options. Each persons body reacts differently though.
Thanks for sharing Sarah. I’m sorry to hear about your struggles but happy to hear things are working out for you. Did the blood tests reveal something like celiac disease, anemia, or allergies?
@@PlantChompers No allergies aside from lactose intolerance. Just mild deficiencies from time to time solved via supplement.
The only downside I’ve noticed from introducing meat into my diet is slight brain fog. But, that could be in part from not eating bread, sweets, and no caffeine.
Blood tests have been great. Having some tone to my body has made a world of difference in the self confidence department.
There’s plenty of shredded professional athletes that are vegan. Just something with my body doesn’t allow mass to grow while vegan, no matter what I tried. I’ll probably revisit in the future though as I don’t enjoy the texture of meat.
@@PlantChompers maybe Sarah "didn't do it right".
Chris, when will you accept that a diet devoid of meat and animal products is NOT conducive to optimal health and this is why you have to dig so deep to find any second generation lifelong vegans. Not to mention you and your niece are the only "vegans" in your entire family and you're not even a lifelong one. Why do you suppose this is Chris?
Well I think prior to the 40s when B12 was discovered, vegans legitimately ran a higher risk than omnivores. But now a tidal wave of studies make it clear how healthy it is, unless you have celiac disease or some intolerance. That's also true of fish. It can be part of a healthy diet unless you have some allergy or intolerance. If someone is having problems with fish or any food, the responsible thing is to find out why.
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"But now a tidal wave of studies make it clear how healthy it is, unless you have celiac disease or some intolerance."
"...a tidal wave of studies make it clear how healthy [the vegan diet] is"? Really?
After what I have discovered about your ability, or lack there of, to interpret "studies", I am somewhat skeptical about this claim of yours Chris.
What are the top three "studies" you are hanging your hat on that support your claim?
So many ex-vegans and carnivores obsess over how vegans look and yet they never criticize the average meat-eater that can be compared to a bowl of jello.
Excellent discussion countering her concerns. I learned a lot as always!! I was keto (eating animals, eggs and dairy) while eating a ton of veggies and a fruit a day. I've transitioned to WFPB because of migraines. It's easier to digest plants and fruits and my brain likes it foo!!
I really appreciate the manner in which you deal with these topics 🙏
If I put a lump of cheese in front of my son and a bar of chocolate, I know what he’d choose. So what does that mean? Humans are instinctively wired to prefer chocolate because it’s better for us than cheese?
We have become used to thinking that overweight people look normal.
I have recently found your channel - Wow, what a breath of fresh air. Thank you so much for uploading so many science-backed, downright sensible articles. I’m currently doing a nutrition degree and all your video’s have highlighted so many amazing research articles/studies/papers. Many thanks indeed, x Have a beautiful weekend x
Thank you!
The force is strong with my skinny genes!
As someone who lost 96 pounds in a year, most of it on a vegan diet, and is far more active than he was maybe ever in his life before and is married to someone who got her immune disorders under control because of a vegan diet. There is no other diet for me anymore. However, I do think raising kids on a vegan diet can be a tricky topic, not from a nutritional point of view, but from a social one. Our friends have a kid in kindergarten and they chose not to force special dietary wishes, since they don‘t want their kid to be excluded because Of it. And they can’t control what she is eating away from home. But if I had kids, I would raise them on a vegan diet and eventually give them their own choice.
Anyway, great video, I especially adore Dr. Klaper. I wish you and your family health and joy.
I agree with every word you wrote. One of our adult children really loves meat and is raising his kids on a meat-heavy diet, but we value family harmony over worrying about it.
4:28 looking forward to the episode with a hematologist. The topic of functional iron deficiency is very interesting, especially as it relates to allergy and autoimmunity. The work of Franziska Roth-Walter on lipocalin 2 and birch pollen allergen Bet v 1 is really interesting. Lipocalin 2 is an iron binding protein that has roles in host defense against intracellular pathogens and also neurodegenerative diseases. Regulation of lipocalin 2 expression seems to be inversely related to that of LRRK2 (seems to be, there's only one paper); LRRK2 is in turn inhibited by B12. I have been wanting to read more on this topic, but have not had enough time. But anyway, the problem with functional iron deficiency is that consuming more iron may not fix it, and might even make matters worse if the problem is gut dysbiosis or infection by something that is iron-dependent. My daughter had stool microbiome testing that showed an overgrowth of Klebsiella - if this is accurate then that would explain a lot as Klebsiella is iron hungry & host defense involves increasing hepcidin production.
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There's probably a fair number of people out there with STEM backgrounds who are interested in reading the original research articles.
Fascinating! I didn't know about Franziska Roth-Walter. You've given me some good leads to chase.
The fundamental problem with Juliette Autumn is she gives advise on how you should feed your kids. This woman doesn't have one qualification to do so. Her entire CZcams channel is dedicated to knocking a whole food plant based diet and literally nothing else. She herself produces absolutely nothing of value. It's little wonder she only has a couple of thousand subscribers.
Please do an episode on milk in children's diets and breast and prostate health later in life! You always do a great job on each topic. I look forward to watching it! Thank you.
Thanks! I will. I'm working on the iron episode and I'm pretty shocked to read from hematologist after hematologist that feeding cow's milk to kids younger than two is a leading cause of anemia with them, because the proteins in milk are inflammatory enough to their intestines that they continually lose small amounts of blood in their stools. At first I thought that must be conjecture, but they talk as if it's common knowledge.
@@PlantChompers I didn't know that! Interesting. Milk (other than mother's milk) does a body bad.
@@PlantChompers I wonder how many people are familiar with the difference between heme iron and non heme iron.
Yes Chris, and when you do get around to doing the video about children and milk it would be worth a mention that there is a stronger correlation between type 1 diabetes in children who are genetically predisposed, and cow's milk than lung cancer and smoking.
Dr Gregor there may also be a link with Parkinson’s disease… see recent video
We agree, very respectful and well backed answers, and we also love seeing all of you lovely family, it is an inspiration!!! Way to go!!!!! a big hug from Argentina!!!
My favorite explanation from carnivores: but meat has fibers.
Disregarding that muscle fibers are not that kind of fibers.
Thank you Chris, your well researched information, vibrant lifestyle, and amazing family provide all the inspiration I need. How wonderful to have such a healthy family! It is clear how much you adore your grandchildren and I am sure the feeling is mutual!
It would be heartbreaking to see our children in their 40’s and 50’s with diabetes and heart disease
What articulate kids.
7th day Adventist here and proud lifetime vegan 🙌🏾
I love 7th Day Adventists! I am hoping to go to Loma Linda to interview Gary Fraser and some of the others about the Adventist 2 study, which I find fascinating.
"Foot fruit" 🤣. More for me I say! The first thing I look for when I travel is papaya. Topped with granola and roasted pepitas and washed down with black coffee it is a breakfast second to none in my book.
Perhaps more importantly I want to say thank you and please keep the videos coming Chris. I always learn so much both from the content and the grace and clarity with which you address counter points and criticism.
Malnourished..... This is what most children looked like. I think people are so accustomed to seeing overweight children, that they don't know what children should look like. I had 5 sisters and one brother, we all looked like this growing up!
Your controlled patient civilised retort to her (frankly) nasty poorly-informed dullard claims is more than admirable!!! She should find a mirror, a massive one, and take a long hard look at herself and her actions.
It is so exhausting seeing videos of people criticising plant based lifestyle based on one or two studies. It appears that this woman can read and is concerned about the health of her children and other peoples children. How is it possible to miss the overwhelming evidence proving health benefits of a plant based diet and feeling right about feed her loved once a disease promoting diet? Absolutely mind boggeling. Thanks for the good video.
I am, as a 67-year old male diagnosed with iron deficiency anemia, very interested in your future video on anemia. Love your videos.
Wow, Bruce, and you're in the lowest risk category. Iron is the #1 nutrient deficiency in the world and also appears to be the one with the highest number of people getting too much, so the topic is super fascinating to me.
@@PlantChompers I can't wait to hear your research. In the meantime, I eat six dates during my hour-long daily Max Trainer and Dreadmill workout. My go-to favorite snack is avocado toast with cashew savory cream, black beans, greens, and salsa. This all seems to help.
Yes, please do an episode on milk and cancer connection. No wait, do an episode on anything and I'll watch it. Just make sure to include some more cow close- ups!
Hahaha, thanks! Those were two adorable cows. I'm kicking myself because I forgot to include the pigs! We have hairy pigs that are the most adorable things I've ever seen. My wife and I melt when we see them.
The Sphingolipids in dairy destroy cancer cells. That's why Japan the country with the highest life expectancy and one of the lowest cancer and obesity rates in the world serves whole milk in the Japan school lunch system for evidence based reasons. They do not serve any plant type milk because that is not good for their health or the environment.
@@beepbeepnj2658 Where is the evidence? no human needs the milk of another species that weighs over 700 pounds
at 1 year old with massive hormones, and bones that weigh over 75 pounds. When animals are weaned they never
return to mothers milk, but humans believe we should drink milk after the age of three. The Japanese are being influenced by the dairy industry which brainwashed American families for so many years;. There is a large reason that countries whose citizens consume the most dairy also have the highest rates of osteoporosis and breast cancer. This is why Asian countries traditionally had very LOW breast cancer rates, AND their women had SMALL breasts , they drank soymilk, not dairy products. Luckily, humans are waking up and giving up dairy. The largest dairy producer in the USA went bankrupt within the past two years. Peace.
I subscribed tonight at the beginning when I heard you mention you had other videos about wheat and you had family who are sensitive. The Bonus in subscribing as I continued watching is how polite and warm of a person you are just as many here have said PLUS you have excellent skills in creating videos and making content with all the wonderful creatures and adorable grandchildren ! The interview cracked me up and was really fun to watch. The kiddos look very healthy (emotionally, mentally and spiritually) and extremely intelligent !!
Thank you so much @BringHomeTheBasil ❤️
Huh, interesting. Kids should look robust and not robust looking kids are frail, sickly and probably vegan to boot.
I was an absolute rake for the first 16 years of my life. In fact, I was so thin that my mother was often concerned I could develop an ED right under her nose (I didn't). All this happened while knowing nothing about veganism, so I ate what most people would consider a fairly healthy Western diet: No takeout, no fastfood, almost no snacks or sweets, but vegetable rich homemade food with eggs and lean meat and one to two glasses of milk per day. I was very active too. (Portion size was not restricted. If I wanted seconds, I'd have seconds or thirds.)
Weird, how all this healthy food led me down a road of heavy IBS symptoms (and eventually being overweight) , that would only get a lot better when I found my way to the nutrient deficient "vegan diet".
Oh, btw., my congenital "definitely not diet related" heart disease, that's been in the family for as long as anybody can remember, has been getting a whole lot better too! No, it won't just vanish into thin air, but the difference ever since I switched diets has been absolutely staggering. My current cardiologist actually now believes he misdiagnosed me for the first 7 years. He didn't. The diagnosis has been confirmed by multiple specialists. It's mind-boggling what a really healthy diet of plants can do.
I was vegan for 2.5 years. At first I felt great. Yes, I did some extreme experiments with fruitarianism and even ate only potatoes for 2 weeks. But mainly I ate a balanced whole foods plant based diet. Like I said, at first I felt great. But after about 1.5 years, I started to lose steam. I aged prematurely, developed worsened anemia, insomnia, debilitating fatigue, and a heart arrhythmia. I had to switch back to an omnivore diet and I immediately felt better. My heart arrhythmia resolved immediately.
I’m glad plant based works for some people but I don’t think it’s for everyone.
What was your diet like?
@@mikebrigandi_ Yes - diet & supplements - each person has unique needs and not everyone takes the time to find their exact vegan needs. And most doctors don't have enough info to go on in order to support their vegan patients and recommend what they actually need for their unique bodies and systems.
Same here!
The fact you tried these ridiculous diets is telling. Every vegan I know who eats normally is fine. Meat is not magical, you just had to find the cause of your problems rather than taking the easy way out.
I have been wfpb vegan for over 10 years. I have had three healthy babies and one on the way (all born eating the same diet) We are all slender but have above average lean muscle mass. My husband and I have always been slim and going vegan has really helped us gain energy and be able to build strength and muscle. One major difference I notice in our children is that they are far less sick than the other kids, seem to have more energy and do not have any chronic illnesses or allergies. I have no idea when the whole "kids need to have fat on them to be healthy" started. I notice chronic obesity in children where we live and its sad to see adults not arming their kids with the best chance of being healthy adults. I know not all standard american diet children are ill or fat but the population that we see is definitely getting larger. I love these videos. I would love you to do more. Everyone would benefit from eating more plants!!
I forgot to add that I get my bloods done yearly and since I changed my diet, all my bloods have come back optimal, including b12, iron and protein. We do a b12 supplement but that is a deficiency across all diets.
When this video popped up in my feed a week ago, I also throught that vegans were undernourished. Now, After binge-watching all video’s of this channel I changed my tune…