Buying a used sailboat, older sailboats suck
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- Older sailboats suck, buying a used sailboat
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Older boats are fine if they are from the north. Less UV, much shorter sailing season, well maintained by industrious retiring boomers, may have actually been wintered in a warehouse, were in fresh water, not built during oil embargos where companies scrimped on epoxies, have records of maintenance/refits, etc.
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Chris, I have been around this planet. A lot. You’re the most enjoyable program I watch and your knowledge is priceless, but your delivery unmatched!
haha thanks
I love my 1974 Rival 32. Built when grp wasn’t spared. Next to no core in the deck, encapsulated keel and whilst she may not have the room of a more modern boat of similar length, she is simple to maintain, is worth more now than I paid and I have done little apart from general maintenance. She had been re-gelcoated, epoxy treatment below the waterline with extra layer of glass and then copper coated. All before I bought her. There are many boats in the late 80’s to 90’s that won’t last as long and have all sorts of issues with osmosis, keel bolts to name two. Yes, you can buy newer or even new but if you don’t maintain even a newer boat you will get into trouble sooner or later. It’s each to their own but don’t buy an older boat if you can’t do many of the jobs yourself. Andy UK
One of my favorite Channels is the now sailing still working on the left over projects Saillife. It took Mads five (5) years to get there. 5 years of glorious sanding. I don't even want to know what the total investment into that Warrior 38 sums up to. So if you go that "refit" route, be sure to work on something that will have a demand in the future, like a Nautor Swan or Cal40. It's like in the world of automotive. It costs not more to paint a Porsche 911 than a VW Rabbit. A fully restored 911 will have the chance to make you some money, while good luck with the VW Rabbit.
Mads is my hero.
Some of us happen to like and enjoy doing refit and repairs , your boat will teach you many skill sets testing your abilitys and giving you a sence of achievement, any boat is never 100% ready to sail you just have to get in and Go
Absolutely
I mentioned to Chris that the media market has many various niches
Fiction, romance, non fiction, hobby, how to, repair, you name it, there's a book, movie or YT channel covering it
The problem is when people confuse one for another.
For example, I like magic carpet, but you have to realize it's more "this old house" rather than Sam sailing.
Chris is targeting the "I want to go sailing right now market". That means minimal overhead, time and money not sailing
You enjoy the process. My wife's grandfather was a noted craftsman. Even featured once in the NY times. He also loved the process.
Just be honest about what you actually want to do and Flippin do it.
@@PennWolfsSailingAdventures
Exactly
My wife's gfather was a NY harbor captain. To him, boating was a functional, commercial job.
His love was making furniture with many pieces still fairly noteworthy.
His son got into racing, and had some beautiful custom Finnish sailboats made over the years.
Everyone is free to do whatever they want. However, problems can arise if one is confused for another.
Having a channel dedicated to helping people actually get sailing is a net positive. There's a market for blunt, realistic advice to that end
It has nothing to do with someone else wishing to spend countless hours over months/years meticulously restoring an old classic.
Good video. From what I've seen over the years, (and this goes for houses too), is that people buy without purpose. Then the boat sits and sits deteriorating all the while. We looked at an 84 Island Trader yesterday. The couple couldn't keep the boat up anymore. But I can tell the deteriorations been going on for at least 12 years. Discovered the reason water was in the bilge was because the intake for the raw water pump was about to totally fail. Mold on the sails, exposed wiring, rotting hoses, who knows what else. Asking 55k, dropped to 45k. Worth 10k at most with all the work to bring her back to safe condition. And then she'll be 20k over market value minimum. Real shame...
People just like older boats, some suck and some don't. I'm looking at a mid 1980s yacht built at a port in my home town, by a boat building company that started here back in the 1800's. Even though she's a keel boat she's spent most of her life out of the water on a trailer and looks in really good condition. Was well loved and maintained by the owners. It all depends on the boat in question
Nailed it. Boating are a lifestyle, hobby, obsession, and curse all at once. Anyone buying aa older boat should think about how it will be used, where it will be used and the history of the boat other you will really be “sucky”!
When I started sailing my budget was 5k for a boat (and that's including any fix). Unfortunately (or fortunately) people like me have to go through the dark side of getting an old boat and take the gamble. I learned so much with my shitty boat that even if I had the money I'd do it again. The experience one gets when dealing with repairs and fitting the boat cannot be acquired in any sailing school. Your videos tell some truth if you are looking at it from an economic perspective. Now, with all the saling and repairing experience I would get a newer vessel rather than an old one but definitely recommend newbies to get an oldie first to become a proper self suficient sailor.
@Chasing Latitudes, I like how you're straight to the point. Right from the bat, you identify 'older' boats as pre-2000. 💡👏🏻
Love your videos Chris! I’m obsessed with sailboats with pilot houses/deck saloons, like the Sirius 35DS. Any chance of you doing a video on boats of this style - pros/cons, affordability, top choices, etc?
Keep it up Chris, these are great videos that we all should pay close attention to, thanks Chris God bless you!!
Have you done any videos yet on basic maintenance we need to plan for when we get our boats?
Again, thank you for all your knowledge
Thank you for watching
Everything you mentioned is true about all boats, the trick is to find a boat that was taken care of very well good video! I watch a few of these CZcams videos amazing what they are putting in there boats.
Hey Chris, I've been a subscriber for quite a while, thought it was time I checked in, thanked you for the great (and entertaining) content and help the algos. Good of you to mention and support the esteemed Captain Q since his point of view is counter to most of what you teach.
Yes, he is the 100% opposite of basically everything is say however there are the classic boat fans and he's great at showing the vessels. I'm just trying to point out some realities on cost of repair , he's a good guy
OMG....that Wildings Catamaran was beyond broken...They were much better off with their prior Monohull that was bilge Keeled. And sorry but that model cat is just Fugly😳
I just don’t love the layout of older boat interior.
I don't either
Enjoyed this one too. Thanks for sharing.
@chris Great video, as you say research, research, research.
When you start looking into getting any sail yatch do your research into what you want, what your going to use your yatch for.
Have a look at what it comes with.
How old are the sails.
How old is the standing rigging.
When was the antifouling and other protection carried out.
Get a survey carried out.
Look into everything before you purchase, you do not want to purchase a lemon.
Great vid! As a sailboat tech, it blows me away how so many people are shocked at the price of proper maintenance.
Mind blowing right ?
If someone gives you a free boat ! You have been FOOLED
100% free boats are the most expensive
I am looking (and will continue looking) for a vessel for quite a while now, and THANKFULLY, I have found your channel. I have since totally DROPPED pre-year 2000 vessels off my search... and as you say and predicted, prices are crazy, and the are certainly going down! GREAT job!!
Thank you thank you
Q is cool.
The first boat I looked at had a rusty keel step, ran away. Looking at another that may or may not float.
@@PennWolfsSailingAdventures For sure, just that my old crazy boat hobo uncle made me promise to never buy a boat with a rotted mast/step
Ok Chris I'm in. Google now owns my phone and everything on it, but I'm a member.
On CZcams or patreon?
Hell if I know! The message said I paid Google! First level, able seamen. Had to give back for all the help.
@@ericmeeneghan754 ahh okay cool thats the youtube channel membership, ill post a link for you there to come to the members area, see ya soon
@@ericmeeneghan754 k just put up the link for ya in the community tab here on CZcams
@@ChasingLatitudes I'll try it out. I just had to pay back for all you taught me. Can't wait to get our boat in the water. It's got everything!
Good video and extremely accurate 👍 and again I can attest with my 77 Valiant. We have her cause we love the pedigree etc... but if we could afford newer it would have been.. easier.
Awesome 👌
Enjoyed your video. Requirments are different for everyone. Not sure I would feel any better sailing a new 450k boat over my 1990 $35k boat with no loan. I like working on my sailboat. Already had a new motor with only 200 hrs. I updated rigging, sails, and some elect so all is new. All major work completed over 3 years. There is nothing keeping us from a new sailboat other than wanting to spend the balance of 400k on other things in our life that are more meaningful. Also insurance on a new sailboat it crazy. I think you should have shortend it to 15 years old. After 15 years it is time for its first refit regardless. Sails, rigging, motor. We spend a lot of time on our sailboat and not having to invest a 1/2 milion $ into the experance was the smart move for us.
There is one rule and one rule only. All sailboats new and used cost money to maintain. I love our sailboat because of the simplicity of it. Not much going on in a sailboat from circa 1990. All I need is solar, refrig, radar, nav, auto pilot and that is it.
If anyone thinks a 5 or 10 year old sailboat is not going to need work already has their expections not based in reaility.
Sailboat 35k, rigging 3.5k, running rigging, 1.5k, autopilot 2k, used sails with 1 season on them 4k (have no clue how I found this deal!), new thru-halls 2k, miscellaneous 3k. motor already replaiced 0k. All in for about 51k. The great part of all of this is it is all new! Over the next few years i'll continue to replace things that are just old like hoses, hotwater heater, pumps, etc. so about $1,200yr.
Good maintenance is refurb or reaplace things before they malufunction. 30yr old fresh water pump. Replace it. Use the old one for a backup.
If new is for you I think that is a great option. Just don't buy new because you think you are going to have fewer problems. I'll take a 20 year old well maintained sailboat over a 4 year old unmaintained sailboat. Years ago I owned a 1987 Pearson 31. Awesome sailboat Never had any issues with it. I sold it to someone in the marina and after two years it turned to garbage because a few leaks around the mast and port lights and not maintaining the motor.
Ok, time to go to work. Just wanted to give a different perspective. If interested I have one small video of both sailboats. My latest sailboat is in the video before the refit. Sailing Northern LIghts. Description: "Our first sailing video. We hope you enjoy!"
Very good video, perhaps a few more shots of old sailboats to clarify your point. WHAT IF?! You find that perfect sailboat...keep up with maintenance, clean/wax, new sails, rigging, upgraded when needed ect. Looks great, watertight, and sails so well that you keep it....for 20 years....then what?!
Interesting fact - 100% relative humidity at 90 degrees has twice as much water in the air as 100% humidity at 70 degrees. That's a big part of why the tropics kill boats.
People need to understand that a boat is a hole in the water into which you’re continuously pouring money and time! Fibre glass boats that have been hand laid up properly with sufficient quantities of resin so as to get a proper wet out, will outlast a boat that’s been laid up with a chopper gun. The number of USA built boats that end up here in New Zealand needing serious hull repairs because of osmosis or stress delamination is mind boggling! Entire hulls requiring the entire gel coat to be removed, so as to allow the fibreglass to dry out, is not uncommon. A friend built an air powered hand planer to do boats in his yard. It was a bit agricultural looking but man could that thing remove gel coat extremely efficiently. The water that came out of some of those hulls looked, in some cases, like turning on a garden hose! That was the cheap bit. Soft bits had to ground out. The entire hull then had to be covered and fans used to pump in hot air and then extract it. Then the ground out soft bits filled with fibre glass and thoroughly wetted out and ground back. Then a zillion square feet of fibreglass cloth, then, then, then, then etc. Almost, without exception, the owners said they’d had surveys done but ????? By the looks of things Mickey Mouse Surveyors had been very busy and profitable! Use reputable licensed surveyors! Check with your local yacht club! Get the vessel hauled and do a proper ultrasound before purchasing! It’ll save lots of heartbreak later!
As always… right on point.. said with Tact and the comments had me heeled over!
Well done pointing out examples to look out for in a constructive way. 😁
I'm a work in progress 😌
I heard someone say, "Buy the most expensive boat you can afford because you can't afford a cheap boat".
Sound like they were a very very smart person
I watch this every 6 months to remind myself
You bring up excellent points, sailing Atticus spent over $219, 000 and you're telling me that it wasn't even fit for basic coastal cruising?????? Then you said they needed to spend another $100,000 just to bring it up to BASIC capabilities. Then they spent another $50,000 for upgrades, I think lithium batteries was included in that. So now they are at $370,000 not counting financing and taxes. I think these people don't know what they want. Certainly if you have that kind of money you should be considering a new boat. I watched them choosing their boat and they had no affinity to one brand or another. If you can't find a capable Blue water sailboat for under $370,000 you're full of wind, and it ain't in your sails!
They are clueless
The keel nuts on my 1980 Mariner had no threads left,
0 threads and probably 5200 was the only thing holding 6000 lbs
Some older boats the main cabin/ or only "cabin" is V berth--- don't like that, some don't even have quarter berth--- they do suck/ and list goes on
New (or at least just a few years old) looks like the way to go if your older. Just can’t see the endless time loss in repair cycle ending up being a net win.
I love Capt. Q, I wish there was some like him on the west coast.
west coast a tricky market, man do they want to much for their vessels over there
I ve never seen a boat that Captain Q doesn't like ... lol
@@nomad33138 well to be fair, he only shows the jewels or the ones that have potential
@@ChasingLatitudes preaching brother, I stopped looking in this area. It is actually cheaper to fly and buy than drive and buy
Yup
You forgot what ice does to fiberglass too. For those of us in the north. I seen some moldy boats in the north too. Boats need to breath or they mold.
Many boats have not sailed/been on the hard for 2 years and more during covid. Is it a given that there will be major issues especially with engine & mechanical parts and these boats should be avoided?
@ABC gang So how much would I budget for seal renewals? I'm in a position that I'm hoping to buy a boat in FLorida in May right before hurricane season so unlikely to have time to go anywhere but in a dangerous area but presumably with time to fix and upgrade stuff.
That’s why you get a good survey done prior to buying any boat, and not the cheapest one either.
Buying any bout without a survey and a good cash reserve is like playing Russian roulette with 5 of the 6
chambers loaded…but, hey,…you might get lucky?🤔😬
Isn't there an issue with older boats before 2000 because they used wood hull reinforcements that were encased in fiberglass but water has gotten in via holes being drilled etc. I don't think this is an issue on newer boats, correct?
Yes and no, in simple terms yes thats the cause of a lot of it
Balsa is still used in quite a few boats as a sandwich .. the problem comes with minor cracks and holes that havent been dealt with correctly. Moral is do you're research and learn how to look after your boat whatever its made of.
The old glass boats often have very thick solid glass hulls in the case of wildings old cat its got an inch thick solid fiberglass hulls and was built to be both blue water and coastal beached and dried out its also ketch rigged.
Its an early glass hulled cat so like early glass monohulls was over built as they didnt assume it was only going to be worth keeping for 20 or so years and it sails well even in a vomit inducing Boreal or Mistral. Its secure and mostly dry boat to sail in. A Dutch guy Hub certainly has had more troubles than these two but he was stuck in S America.
Even foams can get waterlogged if they havent been
Selected correctly or treated right.
New materials and composite constructions solve some problems and create new ones..
Carbon fiber is just such a material .
Whats the alternatives...lots...moving up quickly are Basalt fiber and Hemp derived fibers with new resins..
Fashion is very often an excuse for marketing ... so form and function should dovetale with materials and use.
Wooden ships can last ages in cold water s especially if you know your timber technology but in tropical waters you get the sort of problems they had on Yabba with Torredo worms..
It all depends on the boat you cannot say all pre 2000 boats have that issue. My Rival 32 from 1974 doesn’t and the grp is way thicker than many modern boats. You have to do your research. If an old boat has not been maintained throughout its life then problems will be lurking.
Yes, you are so right. I have been repairing small and big vessels in my life. Now nearing my 69 birthday i decided to do one more before the body fails. This time a 26 ft daysailer. Bought it for 150 € . Engine stuck and the rudder seized hard to port. So nobody wanted it. Got a deal with the yard to to do the repairs myself and stay there for free with using elektricity and free use of the crane in putting it into the water. I am retired so have some time left. I am nearing the final finish 1,8 months after purchase and appr. 18000 € less in my wallet. New elektronics, plotter,auto pilot, complete new rigging exept the mast. Interior cushions, overhauled the engine partially , new rudder,bearings etc etc. So one warning, if you do not have the skills or experience , stay away of it. For me it is so much fun to make from nothing - something. Some little films on you tube . Booy1910. Project 822. Have fun and enjoy sailing !
Can you make a video about the best sailboats for taller people?
Best look to larger boats and Dutch and Scandinavian designs .. Smaller boats with big headroom? Capt Q pulls up some vintage boats and theres lady K sailing and the rigging doctor.
But racers and sports.. boats tend to be heavily. compromised.
Boat = bust out another thousand. At least. Thanks for the information Chris. Learning a lot.
Thabk you for watching
Remember folks,
All those people that bought "project" yachts, probably didn't have the knowledge/education/skills/training/certification(s) to be doing anything on a yacht.
After the money runs out and/or they realize this project was too much for them, on the market it goes.
Buyer beware!
@@PennWolfsSailingAdventures Amen
Very true 👍
Video was enjoyed as always.
Why do you think they gel coat boat's it's a uv blocker!!! Uv rays don't penetrate the gel coat!!
It all comes down to $$$. The Wildlings are a great example of having little to no money and doing the same thing Atticus did. It's kind of amazing when you think of it. What's great about both of these channels are you can watch them and hopefully learn what not to do. I think the wildlings on their catamaran have the most opportunity to learn for the least cost. On the other hand it seems to me Atticus is just throwing their money away they don't seem to know what they want they certainly could have bought a new boat for what they've spent already.
Atticus is clueless
The Wildlings got divorced and sold the Cat.
Pure speculation here but maybe maybe years of shoestring repairs took its toll?
Please i want to buy two used vessels
Thanks very much for this very honest assessment of boat ownership and personal effort. Time to think about chartering again.
I know you like the Hunter 340. What do you think of a 1995 Hunter Legend 35.5?
Depends on price, condition and so on, whats the planned use ? Overall Hunters can generally be bargains but some of those 90s hunters were the problematic ones
@@ChasingLatitudes Coastal cruising, island hopping, and MAYBE crossing the south pacific. Im leaning more towards a Beneteau 331 or a Catalina 320.
So much more room in newer layouts
The issue is, lately a lot of people have been buying boats and they have no technical skills. Obviously, that is a nightmare in the making. A basic math understanding and materials involved can solve a lot of the problems encountered .
Do not be discouraged, just do your homework.
yup thats all just do your homework, most are doing it for content and showing people improper repairs only to have to repair the same item 4 times
Watching your Used sailboat video about the Sun Odyssey lol You should sell boats!
Haha, nah, I just enjoy sharing what's on the market
Thall shalt not take the name of Capt. Q in vain. ;)
Ouch dude.. this hurt in my feels... Very discouraged now.
lol, you will survive
Other possibilities is to be very successful You Tuber that lot of people watch your crap on You Tube and you getting money for it. But there is one condition you must have a girl on the board with you!!!! Yes must be pretty,nice body and dress code just bikini!! How simple in today society that we live??
Some people just want to sail and don't have $500000
let's face it: mandatory viewing for any armchair sailor with delusions of saileur (like myself, natch)
People suck.but when anyone considers the scope of such a event it scares them all into fooling themselves and pretending they don't.🧐⚔️🏴☠️
What if one buys an older boat that has been already refitted and or kept very well by the owner ? I understand that boats from the 1980’s were built stronger (thicker fibreglass etc…) than todays boats. No ?
I just say get what works for you just be aware of what your getting into.
@@ChasingLatitudes Absolutely. I enjoy your videos.
@@corradodeluca1320 thanks I appreciate it 🙏 sometimes you can score a great older boat with a complete recent refit, usually a divorce or death in the family but they are out there
Thank you again, I 🙏 my brother in 🥰 😇, Amen
The new 380 JEANNEAU, WOW what a beautiful 😍 🤩 ⛵️.
BOAT= Break Out Another Thousand. Here is the thing about a boat. Boats have systems, water system, electrical system, engine, rigging.
Insurance...🙄 I guess I understand the whole liability factor. The cost of life keeps going up. Next thing you know we will need liability insurance on our kids to protect our towns for what they might do.... that actually makes sence😳
Only way an old cheap boat is possible is being able to do all work yourself, which means you have to have applicable experience.
Right boat in right boatyard is crucial. Quoting all prices of paid for work is misleading if you are capable.
Don’t wreck my dream!!
We have all seen a 40 year old boat in better shape than a 20 year old boat. Certainly boats degrade over time but a well built older boat that has had the maintenance it needs may be a better investment than a newer boat of lesser quality. What you are saying here is that the longer the boat is in the water, exposed to uv etc, etc the more chance for problems. Of course that is so. Hire a good surveyor and learn as much about the boats past as possible . Teak decks, cored hulls particularly below the waterline etc. can be problems just waiting to happen. Hire a good surveyor and learn as much about the boats past as possible. As for the life expectancy of fiberglass the stuff has the potential to last a lifetime and longer. Fiberglass problems usually are the fault of the builder . Not enough glass, the wrong resin, improper fastenings, coring , hull layup , improper tabing of bulkheads to the hull etc. etc. etc. can all add up to big problems
I used to watch Captain Q channel but 99% of the boats are 🐕's .Yet he still talks them up.🤣
They are junk boats
I don't think you can generalise about the age of vessels. Here in Australia you can't get insurance once the rigging is over 10 years old. Insurance companies are now even trying to shorten that period. Instruments seem to start failing after 10 years en masse and many.people.are reengineering after 15 years or even sooner. So buying a 2012 boat for example means you'll probably have shot or uninsurable rigging. Instruments on their last legs and possibly a motor which will require replacement very soon. Can't see how that is any better then buying a 1990 boat or for that matter 1980 boat provided of course keel bolts check out hobo with modern flat bottomed vehicles that is even more of a worry even if they are newish as Expedition Evans has shown us.
In the end I guess you just have to look at the boat very carefully if you are experienced or get a darn good surveyor. I also wouldn't be paying a premium for any equipment or electronics including watermakers and air conditioners that are out of warranty
Sorry about some ridiculous errors that autocorrect introduced but I think you'll get the gist
Maybe there are some bargains out there for the discerning buyer. Amen.
ive been looking at the same sailing channells and i also came to the same conclusions, 200k for a sailboat plus 150k for refit is crazy!!! you can get an amazing vessel for a lot less and in perfect conditions...cmon
I agree, less than 100k on the vessel, upgrades not refit and done
A neglected boat can have negative value. Some boats that cost $20,000 will require over $100,000 worth of boatyard work to be brought to good working order. But after doing that work, the boat is only worth $100,000. Now, if you put a whole bunch of work into the boat yourself, you can save a lot of money compared to paying the boatyard. But how much is your time worth? Only you can decide that. For some of these youtubers the economics are different because they get paid to make videos and so they can do a bunch of work on a boat and film it and still maintain positive cash flow. The economics are not the same for those of us who don't get paid to make videos.
2 min of black screen at the end of the video...
Is there ?
Gah, music ran , my apologies is being edited out now
Screw cat's their more stable upside down than right side up!!!
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The vast majority of production boat are made with polyester resin. Most of these boat will last like something like 4 decades. epoxy boat will last longer, epoxy won't absorb water like polyester. good luck finding a boat that was build using epoxy, they are either one off project or very high end stuff.
Vinyl ester resin is also used on quite a few better boats.
1st.
Cmon man ease up
Many just wanna sail the islands for a while.
These boats are surely fine for those.
There are vessels out there that are nearly sinking death traps and still working .
There are boats out there that are so over maintained it’s almost damaging .
There’s a medium for everything that’s acceptable.
You’ll never stop fixing maintaining so get used to it or use it till it breaks an toss it.
It’s like everything we humans do …
Well for all the owners of old boats , according to this dude you are the wealthy ones because you need sooo much money to upkeep the older boats.
For all the owner of new boats , poor bastards with no money in the account to afford a nice older boat
:-)
bottom line. if you dont have (1) the DIY skillset to refit a boat yourself or (2) deep enough pockets to pay some one to do the work for you then you should not be in the market to buy a boat.
if you have the former and you find the right deal on an older boat then it makes perfect sense. the GBU crew makes a great joke out of everything you said.
Gbu is two blocks from me and their vessel is an absolute dumpster
@@ChasingLatitudes and how much have they put into it cash wise. what 12k? counting the engine?
@@TheCort1971 I'm not sure, don't get me wrong I think they are a very nice couple and for them what they are doing works. For the average person , maybe not so much. The air bnb they have is spendy, when you account for housing, travel and related misc items they have 12k in that alone. I wish them the best but man oh man is that vessel in rough shape . I hope they get it done soon, its about to get hot here and real hot. Will be rough working in that cabin in about 2 weeks, that will postpone it unfortunately 😔
@@ChasingLatitudes 😅😆 we ain't worried about the heat my man! Remember when we did a full re-rig on our boat at anchor in salinas in 2020? If u are that nearby it would be great to meet you
@@SailingGoodBadandUgly You're good my man, did the power outage get ya ? I wish you guys the best, boats rough but coming along , that heat though , its coming . You two got voted for best refit on one of my vids and smoked the competition, so hats off to ya , the people love the content.
Capt Q is a great channel but not the style of boat I want nor need. (A real comment)
Agree and same here
Sorry, couldn't listen to that voice for more than 1 min.
and yet here you are lol, you're a fan my dude, HAHAH watching commenting, want an autograph or what ?
super annoying commentary lolz
Did you just say lolz ? Are you twelve? Is simping a hobby of yours, or is it just a CZcams thing you do as if anyone else outside your home cares at all what you do, say or think
@@ChasingLatitudes Im younger than that. Are you my bully?
@kiwiwifi yes, run to your safe space kid, go tell the world 🌎
Unfortunatly Catamaran & Yacht owners have been riped off over the years from the manufacturers and think it is normal to ask exorbinate prices to recoupe there money , if you look outside the square it is cheaper to buy a house which will appreciate not depreciate