Can Brock make a Gen 3 Suzuki Hayabusa
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- With a history deeply intertwined with the brand since the late 1990s as a former American Suzuki - Team Suzuki Sports supported sportbike drag racer, Brock's connection with Suzuki runs deep. As the proud owner of Brock's Performance, his unwavering passion for the Hayabusa speaks volumes, considering it has remained the go-to bike for aftermarket parts since his incorporation in 2002.
So how does Brock feel about the "new Busa"? As a performance enthusiast, he candidly admits that initially, he wasn't particularly fond of the machine's arrival. However, tireless product development, an infusion of dedication, and sheer determination has transformed his perspective.
We invite you to experience this captivating journey: Can Brock unleash the true potential of a Gen 3 Suzuki Hayabusa #stupidfast?
G3 Busa OEM cam timing: Intake = 107 degrees / Exhaust = 101 degrees.
G3 Busa Project Bike Build List: brocksperformance.com/suzuki-...
Video Time Stamps:
0:00 - Gen 3 Hayabusa video introduction
3:30 - What does Brock think of the Gen 3?
7:00 - Patrick Cooper's 2023 XDA performance
10:10 - Why doesn’t the new Hayabusa perform?
13:00 - Discussing Brock’s Performance solution
16:05 - Steps to take before beginning installation
19:00 - Discussing valve lash & cranking compression
23:00 - Preparing the bike for camshaft installation
26:00 - Removing chain guide, oil bypass, & tensioner
29:00 - Discussing how to remove the cam caps
33:11 - Removing the OEM Gen 3 Hayabusa cams
37:30 - Installing & positioning the exhaust cam
40:45 - Installing & positioning the intake cam
43:54 - Discussing how to reinstall the cam caps
48:00 - Reinstalling the cam chain tensioner
51:00 - Verifying & inspecting final cam timing
53:45 - Reinstalling chain guide, oil bypass, & tensioner
56:45 - Checking valve lash after cam installation
1:00:40 - How do you adjust the valve lash if needed?
1:02:45 - Performing a cranking compression test
1:06:30 - Discussing the previous baseline dyno charts
1:09:15 - The first dyno pull after installing the new cams
1:13:20 - Second dyno pull and video conclusion
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what are the cam specs at 50 thou ?
Why there is no vvt, i mean gsxr 1000 camshaft system ın this gen3 busa????
Lift or duration?
duration @@BrockDavidson
@@BrockDavidson duration this is the second time ive replied ? At least say you can"t tell instead of deleting my coments
Outstanding video, everything is very well explained as always!
Brock is one of the few people in our sport that never gives up until he is satisfied.
If he's happy, we're happy!
Lol, I've been telling that to people for years. I'm very particular about my personal definition of what I like and what I don't. So, if I like it, our customers seem to be ecstatic 😁.
Being a "Yamaha guy" that now runs a 14R, I thoroughly enjoyed this WHOLE video and appreciate all of the hard work you do for 'our' sport of M/C drag racing. I hope to run in the Super Stock class next year and already have several of your parts on my 14.
Spot on as a California native. Politicians are trying to demoralize us starting with our love of motor sports. I'm reduced to motorcycles. Keep on making them awesome!
Suzuki is more than capable of building a 300hp Busa. The regulations, laws, lawyers and most importantly, having to warranty it are where the constraints come in. Every major manufacturer is capable of the same as well. I've been in the bike business for 32 years as a tech, service manager, operations manager, Manufacturer rep and owning my own shop and the 1 thing consistent across the board is OWNERS NEVER ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR ACTIONS AND EXPECT THE MANUFACTURER TO WARRANTY EVERYTHING. Was that way 32 yrs ago when I started, still like that today.
I feel the same way about all of the "nanny controls" that make it into bikes these days...more legal protection than rider enjoyment.
always a good day when brock uploads a vid!
I've been torn between a 2014 busa, '08 b-king and a 2019 zh2. And a gixxus. This made me lean toward the busa a little more as it was my dream bike as a kid in 99.
H2 or H2 SX SE, loved my 20 SE, 3 years had it they are just flat out awesome sold it and just very happy now w collector ZX11 awaiting new Galespeed wheels. It does everything I need it to. Hard to explain how much better they are over both the ZX14 and Busa unless you are seeking the ultra fast top end. But for daily riding they are just better and hide weight so much better plus you can tune them as well
@@kiddcisco All the bikes you've mentioned can be tuned. Dealing with ZX-11 carburetors is a new ball of wax. That 1052cc motor was a peach, at least in the 1996 GPz1100 I took for a spin once. Tuned for torque.
Very informative and thanks for sharing your knowledge and inputs 👍
Fellow Dayton rider here 🤚. Just decked out my Kawi z900 with: Brock’s Penta-Carbon full system, Sprint F1-85, Brock’s HD clutch springs and Brock’s fuel tune/flash and the bike is *chefs kiss* 🤌.
The Brock’s staff has been a pleasure to work with and truly understands the meaning of customer service. I couldn’t be happier with my purchase and it’s nice to support a local legend 💪
You will fuck.your engine with that filter. But you do you
Here are some facts on the ignorance of your comment using our Sprint Filter Long Term Test ZX-10R test bike that now has 33K+ miles on the engine using the P08 F1-85: bit.ly/4bYNzh0 but....OOPS that requires reading - so here's the latest video discussion on the subject: czcams.com/video/-k1hapRwvu8/video.htmlsi=3eSot2rOgOid3za_&t=106
I bought my gen 3 after meeting Patrick at edgewater. Outstanding guy and cannot wait to see this new setup putting in the work 🤝 fantastic content brock !
This is the reason that more than 15 years ago I used Brock’s products on my bikes Gsxr 1000r ,zx10r ,zx14 ❤ ❤
Brocks performance can make anything stupid fast
Thanks for putting in the time to explain. Much appreciated!
Really enjoyed watching this. Nice gains from the cams alone, great work. Cannot wait to see this thing fully kitted out and mapped 👍
blog.brocksperformance.com/2022-black-beauty-suzuki-hayabusa-bike-specs/
@@BrockDavidson Very nice 👍
I just can't afford my gen 3 busa wish I had the money for exhuast filter lowering kit cams and Chris's Moores tune. But one can dream untill one can afford it. Bike is great now it would be out of this world with everything else
Very informative, sir! I always learn so much from your videos. Thank you so much for taking the time to do these for us.
awesome work love the vids and all the work and developmental progress
One of the BEST Motorcycle Tuning/Dyno videos I've ever seen. Top Notch work Brock! Too bad I have a Ducati . .I'd be one of your customers if I had a Suzuki.
There's still time😉
Great job brock
We thank you for all that you do for our sport
Brock,
Thank you for always making a realistic and honest video of your products. Great video!
Jeff
Brock.....just have to say,,your explanations and guidance on everything you did for the cam swap was just perfect! Very clear ,thank you sir
The Man, The Myth, The Legend!!!
It's like the late 70's and 80's car cams all over again.
Thanks Brock. Hugely informative information Mate! As have been very curious to learn where the restrictions are, as though it had to be a lot more than just tuning to gain the new stringent standard regulations. Following intensely to learn how to advise our customers of what is needed to open these up to the expected gains required.
Love the content Brock.
First time viewer create detail really appreciate that that helps me a lot I'm looking to buy a new Hayabusa I'll definitely be checking out some more segments that you offer
Super informative❤ been wondering why you been so quiet an then bam gen 3 cams! Love it ! Nice video @brock😁
Really enjoy your videos. I like the way you show the mistakes.
And the problems. Like the length of the video I like the time you that you take to explain everything really good job
Brilliant session. Thanks Brock
Glad you enjoyed it
As always, great video.
Great vid and explanation of how the cams and stacks work together.
I have zero knowledge of how engine works, why was that process necessary to do, and no intention of getting in this business ever, I just love this bike. But still I watched the entire video. Thank you.
This process is required if you want the bike to perform to it's full potential. If you are happy with the OEM performance, it is not required.
Thanks for this video, it's always fun and educational to see your videos. If you plan to squeeze more out of the motor, it would be nice to see that video.
Great video. Interested to see the progress of this bike.
great video Sir.....and you're right California will "F" up anything
i disagree..we are all f**king things up
.. indeed i see a professor a sergeant at work and it's a privilege to watch Broke make a Gen3 busa stupid fast💥
Awesome video, great explanations 👍
Awesome video, fantastically explained by Brock 10/10 😊👍👍
Glad you liked it!
awesome video Brock loved it all
I’ve just done the first service on my gen 3. Looking forward to the next hour
OMG finally...! I know it takes time but finally!
Patrick’s busa is sick 💪💪
I watched this whole video, MASTERCLASS
Great Video. Will you be making a exhaust video on your new CT exhaust system for the zx10s possibly differences on the dyno where improvements were made for that particular bike?
Many thanks for such a detailed video. As being nothing else but a rider, I watched it fully and believe it is a masterpiece and a collection item. Regards
Glad it was helpful!
Great video as usual Brock! Gen 2 busa with ur short meg which the best looking /sounding pipe of all time imo. No baffle is absolutely deafening 😂😂❤️
Lol, it's too loud for many drag strips in some states.
I did that on my gen1 with a Chris more tune excellent results 🎉
Bikes would become boring much faster if it wasn't for guys like you. Great vid. Great selfless contribution to the (global) bike improvement community. Greetings from Greece.
Thank you for the kind words. Everyone @BrocksPerf try very hard to please.
Freakin awesome video Brock!
Glag you like 👍👍😁
This is the first CZcams video over five minutes I've ever watched in it's entirety. Wonderful info, when can we expect to see these cams or any Gen 3 cams on the website?
They are in process, we hope to have them available soon. More info: blog.brocksperformance.com/2022-suzuki-hayabusa-products/
Great video boss.
Brock that was a very good video, yes the camera had trouble picking up the marks but totally understandable, cam swap only shows lots of promise considering nothing else has changed. Good job
Thanks 👍
Most definitely need cams , cam chain which I have It, cam chain guides and possibly the buckets for my gen 4😅 Wish it was some awesome bikes tuners in GA, AL area😔
Well explained 👍
very cool video !
Excellent content..
Much appreciated
😁great results. brock’s coming through for the busa crowd again. are the cam specs posted on your website? keep the stupid fast parts coming.
Mate you really are a wizard
All the from down under
"Can Brock make a gen 3 busa fast" ...... does a bear 💩 in the woods........
Is an elephant heavy? 😅
😂😂
Can confirm, seen a bear take a dump the other day lol
😂😂😂😂
A polar bear doesn’t…..
That´s about 240hp at the crank, nice work. Question, what oil viscosity do these drag bikes run in competition? Thanks in advance.
Brock please keep us updated
Great vid. May have to do this once i finish stretching my 23 Busa! Brock do you guys create custom tunes like chris more?
blog.brocksperformance.com/brocks-performance-exhaust-purchase-guide/
Thank for sharing! And praise your courage to show how work in progress progresses - most don't do anymore, a pitty!
And we hope you'll make more than 220hp soon - the number would help to sell more kits quite a lot. (1)(Maybe a 'little more cam' would still be necessary? Than more courage.)
And two - I think we shouldn't forget to praise the Suzuki tech guys here too - their stock cams are small and still perform. I hadn't even believed them for being good for 199 hp - 'because they look more like 177 hp' (don't they?).
1 - I would just as well like to see a coming 'Brocks Performance Hayabusa 230 hp guaranteed' kit available - all tested parts and components in one kit - maybe an even better selling name for it and a price premium. 'The one and only true 230 hp kit in the market'.
Current Busa: Bore x Stroke 81 x 65 mm, 1.340 ccm @9700/min
230 hp equals 172 hp per 1000 cc - should be possible @ 11k or 11.5k rpm? (If crank/piston/rod are good for 24 m/s like with S1000RR) - The Busa comes with +34% displacement like a S1000RR - that's why about 10% more hp than the S1000RR ('230 hp instead of 207 hp') should be possible - even without shiftcam - and at lower m/s piston speeds.)
More rpm is a dangerous slope on the Gen 3 engine as Suzuki techs squished it pretty tight to get it to run ok with the dinky cams...as well as to help it pass emissions, I'm sure. 11.5K is where we are now and the piston to head clearance is about as close as I'm comfortable with.
@@BrockDavidson Thank you for your answer and letting me know, highly appreciated!
Hey on those rusty roll pins. Take an ultrasonic wand put a little gel on the area over the pin casing. Turn on the ultra sound. It will form a loose bond. Every time I use my ultrasound tank. That the first thing you see . The little pesky rust in the covers.
Where have you been?? We need more videos from the king!!!
I've been working at Brock's Performance. My boss is an ass and makes me do things to pay the bills instead of creating free content for your viewing pleasure 😉.
Sounds like you need to hire me so you can create more and let CZcams pay you! 😂
Great job 👏,but can this bike now run on the" super stock "class? Can it pass the rules?
I enjoyed your video and appreciate that you showed the challenges that you encountered with doing the install. However, I think those challenges would make this installation beyond what a typical do-it-yourselfer would want to take on.
Unfortunately, these days you might be correct... A few short years ago, something this simple would have been quick and easy for most mechanically inclined enthusiasts :(
Thank you. I have your exhausts on my 2020 Katana and 2023 Busa. Big fan of your products.@@BrockDavidson
GREAT JUST GREAT!
The Mark Novak of motorcycles. I could watch videos like this all day.
Had to Google him - thanks for the compliment!- BD
@@BrockDavidson You have always been a genuine no BS guy, this video gave me the confidence to order cams for my DRZ.
Kinda crazy how much rust/effort/breakage MR12 does on a brand new engine…..wonder how many miles it took to get the internals all messed up inside……great content & products Brock.
lol, my Gen 2 Busa has over 5000 dyno runs on it and still makes the same numbers it did in late 2007 when I got it.
Great video and seriously thinking about this with the short stacks, but I gotta admit I was all googoo over the red 14 in the back ground lol. What would this same cam shaft replacement do for the 14R and how much of a colossal pain in the butt it would be, can you even do it without dropping the engine? Apples to Apples...
The 14 doesn't have emissions camshafts. Switching to race cams can increase performance in stock engines, but it typically comes at the price of decreased reliability. The exception to this is if the OEMs designed the race cams for the application, such as ZX-10R kit cams.
Suzuki engineers RULE!
holy SMOKES! wow! that pull at the beginning. . . so how is Kawasaki circumventing the E5? hmm . . . curious is the overall degree for the new busa cams the same or did you increase it some?
The bike design is old enough that they didn't need to pass E5. New designs must, so Kawasaki went the supercharged route for power.
Great video and explanation of all things involved. I may have missed it but did it show torque values on the dyno and where the power moved from and to or just an overall increase? As a street/sport/tour rider would it still pull strong at lower revs? Great video and time put in, much appreciated
HP and torque graph listed on product images: brocksperformance.com/super-stock-camshaft-set-hayabusa-22-24/
@@BrockDavidson hey thanks! Should have looked it up!
I like this video😊
to do this replacement job of cams do you charge by the job? or do you assign a certain amount of hors and then bill by that.Oh yeah i like to do my own work when possible -- - but i own a Harley, much, much simpler But not as fast LOl
Im assuming there was no reason to degree the cams with this set up? Currently working on a 22 gsxr1000 and would love to pick your brain on this...
Love Suzuki engines. I am using an M13A which is very similar to the hayabusa but a little more solid in the build. It's an old engine by design but makes a great aircraft engine. I'm making the same power but at 5500 with a turbo. Bored out to 1460cc. I love the shim over bucket design, makes valve adjustment much easier and is fine for the RPM I am running.
Awesome video very well explained ten horsepowers Is very good Just Saying
I love your channel Sir, here in this wasted country i live, we can not ride more than 250cc s by low. We are hostages here as nation so its not easy to get out. Even 250 ccs here are just limited to shity Chinese. You and your perfect channel are such a beauty and hope for me.
Hope you the best. Love you so much. Thank you for all of this.
Thank you for the kind words. We are lucky here in the US as the freedom to ride what we choose has not been severly limited by our government, yet. - Brock
Pretty cool. Hopefully XDA will allow this in the rules. Maybe a gray area, but to make it fair may have to allow all bikes to put aftermarket cams in with stock cam timing.
Preciate the info as always Brock.
Since the G3 Busa is the only bike in the SS class with neutered camshafts...seems like "fair" would be letting the Busa have aftermarket performance camshafts too? Unfortunately, your suggestion for OEM cam timing with aftermarket cams can't usually work as the longer duration creates piston to valve clearances that are too tight, which could lead to piston to valve collision - resulting in catastrophic engine failure.
I disagree. This should not be allowed as SS was a factory spec class. Certain motorcycles have certain advantages. Unfortunately, this model lacks the needed performance to compete with the other brands running the class. Fair would be allowing this for the entire class.
Also, if Patrick has been 8.80s at 160mph his performance is in line with the rest of the field.
His best pass in perfect conditions can not be used as a class comparison. His results in the class, on the same track and conditions shows he's bringing a knife to a gun fight as a result of environmental regulations that do not apply on the race track
This would open the door for other platforms to ask for performance rule changes. Just select a more competitive platform for that particular class. All that is being stated is that the bike is a dud.
Super video 💪
I have 1gen brock's exh, yoshi cams and i will put commander 3.
If You now PC from gsxr1000 or busa 2gen will work in 1gen?
I think some of the older GSX-R1000 PCV's will work, but I can't remember the year - sorry.
You seem to do the German Gute Nacht ie good and tight LOL 😂😂
Will the street meg full system 20in be fabricated for the gen 3 Busa? Me and my buddies love the deep roar and hp it helps make with proper tuning.
It will not, sorry.
Hostrider would luv it.
Brock, so SS rules allow cam lift/ duration changes as long as you keep stock sprockets and stock cam timing #s? if so, we’ll that’s pretty slick. Now that’s reading between the lines. I wonder how long people have been doing that? Pardon me if you mentioned your allowed as I already know how to adj the valves. That’s it though 😅
Steve, They don't yet because no other bike in the class is limited by emissions camshafts....it's my wintertime project to try to revitalize the Ford vs. Chevy rivalry that we used to have with Kawasaki vs. Suzuki in SS.
Question for Supercharging. Will a Gen1 Busa Intake Cam with Brocks Cam Pin & a Gen2 Busa Intake Cam fit in a Gen3 Busa head ?
It should. But you will also have to reverse the cam bearings.
Is the red ZX14 ready for all the smoke in the background for me😂
When will u have the drop in cams ready ,I’m looking to buy asap
They are in process. Watch our site as it should not be much longer. If you use the blue support button on our site, you can ask to be put on a notification list.
Brilliant. ,
What about valve clearances with the new cams? How many if any, shims needed changed?
Explained in video. See long description for time stamps.
Thank you for this video. I have a question: Does "cope one" from brocks exhaust make any damge to motorcycles? I saw a new hayabusa 2022 has cope one.
I'm sorry, I don't understand your question?
@@BrockDavidson
Sorry my language it's not very well, let me ask again:
I saw a new hayabusa has a brocks system but it's not an original one, is that making any damge to motorcycle?
@user-ny1bf6oq3b use of a Brock's Performance exhaust will cause no damage to the motorcycle.
Are you going to have these camshafts on the website soon? Or you said something about a kit. Like an XDA Racing kit or something. Everything you would need to replicate this type of build. Is that a thing?
They are in process. Watch our site as it should not be much longer. If you use the blue support button on our site, you can ask to be put on a notification list. Our customer service team can also answer your questions in regard to what's needed.
@@BrockDavidson copy that! Thanks for the reply!
Hi Bud just found your channel Thought it was so interesting am from the UK 🇬🇧 have you ever done a 125cc that will produce 30/35 HP I think it would get a lot of interest from it as in the uk 🇬🇧 we can only use a 125cc with full car licence nothing above that ?????
Not in our wheelhouse, sorry.
the thing nearly took off from the dyno haha gonna need a bigger strap hahaha
It accelerates noticeably quicker on the dyno now ;)
What is the point of a Power Commander when its already flashed?
Tip to everyone. @15.50 ish ... spend the money, buy the books, this is my method also, expensive, you think...but if you R.T.F.I. (read the f****ng instructions) your way ahead of most people just like Brock...remember the 7P's.
Thanks, great viewing as always.
**Question:
Does the Gen_3, has the engine breather attached to the air box also? Like the Gen1, the ram-air is useless at high speed? This mod was a huge gain on mine. Unfortunately Powercommander could not adjust the map by speed, gear or intake air pressure.. Any comments guys...???
The Gen 2 and 3's have a "mousetrap" that allows breather gasses out but blocks ram air pressure from entering the crank case. The bikes actually slow down if you attach the pair to the crank case.
I still have my brocks' single side 4 into 1 with alien head on my first gen. Paired and tuned w/ PC3.
😉 remember....that never happened.
@@BrockDavidson remember what? 🤨
We have never produced a 4 into 1...100% of our exhausts are 4 into 2 into 1
@@BrockDavidson I tend to oversimplify.
All good 😉
Brother, his mentor waiting share wire has gone out please tell me how to fix it.😢