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Chris Broussard on LeBron becoming the first with 30k pts, 8k rebs, 8k ast | FIRST THINGS FIRST
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What do you think about LeBron's Statistical achievements?
First Things First: Cris Carter and Nick Wright I think what Nick is missing with the stats and numbers could be this, when Jordan first retired (because he did) it was ok with people because they already recognized him as the greatest basketball player to step on a court...after ONLY 3 rings!!!
The fact that he came back after dealing with the boredom of destroying the NBA, and added 3 more rings, just deified him forever as the greatest.
Bron will always be great, but never be the greatest.
They are one of the many pieces to the puzzle that puts him squarely in the discussion of great of all time. Someone who says LBJ is hands down best ever or someone who says MJ is hands down the best ever are two arguments I avoid listening to as they are extremes. Neither player is cut and dry ahead of the other.
Neal - Your take sounds biased and LBJ would be able to guard MJ better today than MJ would be able to guard LBJ in his day. Best point to be made is LBJ is playing against 5 players of MJ's athleticism on every team - MJ came in era where players weren't nearly as athletic or skilled as they are today.
The 7 footers argument? Outside of shaq who was truly dominant? Dominating players put up 25+ points and 12+ rebounds/assists combined... news flash... more players do that today by a landslide than when MJ played
Neal Not true. If he gets to 5 rings he better than. Maybe only 4 bcuz Mike......NEVER.....EVER had to face a team like the Warriors. So if Lebron beats this Warriors team that may put him above Mike already bcuz Mike never had to do as much on the court as Lebron does......and he can't do as much on the court as Lebron can cuz Lebron is a better all-around player
+Andre Naylor I agree 100%. I'm like show me the KD Mike had to deal with one on one. Somebody who can shoot taller and can guard like that.
Can they get rid of CC and keep Chris Broussard full time ? CB might be the best analyst on FS1
Nah get rid of nick and and keep Chris and CC
@Scottie 6 Rings Pippen Yeah, because facts are just so frustrating lol, what a joke.
Keep em all
He only does basketball man
The Problem is that CB is "just" an NBA analyst
If you told me there would be a player that's half Jordan half Magic I'd tell you that man is a Legend.
Markers
If there was such a player like that I would think that player would have half the rings that MJ/Magic have combined...
eazyduzit5150 You got jokes though? You right.. But he looks like he'll have their stats combined when hes done.
Markers
I mean he should be able to, he's gonna be playing more seasons than them but that doesn't equate to him being better than MJ. Kobe surpassed MJ in several categories but that doesn't mean anything.
Lebron is 0% like jordan foh
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx *BuT ThaT DoeSnT mEAn AnYtHinG* shut up bum
LeBron said all facts. Both mj and LeBron are players we have not seen before and should not be compared
Brando Williams your right but people are
This is why LeBron is the goat
LeBron = General Patton
Jordan = Ghangis Khan
I mean MJ is just better haha goofy
Reno Nevada bronsexual u are actually dumb in the head look at Kevin love in Minnesota compared to what does in Cleveland his game changed and he’s getting worse because lebum has the ball most of the time. I think KD and kyrie will work out more smoothly and better.. haha in general groupie headass it’s not even a debate bro
Broussard is the GOAT. Case closed.
Does he have his own show ? because I see him in several shows but he isn't full time in any of them .
Yes, it's a podcast called In The Zone. Subscribe to it ASAP.
Absolutely destroyed Nick Wright lol
Everybody who loves the NBA loves Chris Broussard .
Thanks I thought I was the only one noticing his reporting. All his arguments have stats and intangibles.
Amazing debate, both have valid points, very entertaining!
Not as valid as your point...
;)
Vini F Chris point has a lot of holes in it though. He keep talking championships but keep forgetting its a team sports. MJ team was never the underdog in the finals cause he had the best all around team each year. You can't say the same for LBJ. I believe he had 2 of the bottom coaches that ever reached the finals in NBA history. With coach Black & Ty Lue.
i still think kareem doesn't get enough discussion as the Goat
kbdemonbain I love kareem but let's face it the 70s were the worst years of the NBA
kbdemonbain Kareem did get carried a little by Magic in the later parts of his career, which btw he won 2 championships while Magic was MVP.
Kareem Is #1 In Scoring #3 Rebs #3 Blks 10 Finals App 6 Titles. 6 Mvps 15 X Allnba 10x 1st team & 11x AllDefense 5 1st team. 19x Allstar and Played Against More Individual Talent than Anybody
Pj Mills also while playing with the most individual talents than anyone in history of basketball. Plus he only had 2 FMVP’s
He ain't, I bet you AD will surpass him at one point
40 10 and 10 when he retires
Markers Stupid Bronsexual
+eric garcia stupid hater loser
eric garcia
No. It is called having a brain.
12 finals most likely in a row? That seems insane
@Michaelveli9 LeBron is the modern day Wilt Chaimberlain. All those fancy stats and very few rings to show for it.
Chris won that debate!
"It's not about numbers" is were he lost the debate lol. Jordan won with a all time great coach. LeBron never had that before. Last time I checked, LeBron came in the league when the were a lot of great centers like Shaq and Ming.
He played prime Shaq like his first 3 yrs and then that was it
That all time great coach won because of Jordan, you can't see the reality dude, before Jordan, Phil Jackson was nothing.
champ2rhyme you are wrong dead wrong! He is not a judge does not have the right to label anyone is great he is giving his opinion and Chris clean his clock even though I know Chris is smarter in general when he said that Jordan lost all the time he was right in the eighties the biggest argument is the fact that he couldn't be bird Isaiah or magic in their Prime! In the 80s
Before MJ Phil Jackson was not "nothing". He won a ring as a coach in the CBA.
He also won 5 more *AFTER* MJ. But of course MJ fans look for excuses for that too. Notice that neither MJ, or Kobe ever won without Phil? Remember when MJ threatened to retire if the Bulls didn't bring back Phil? MJ knew the truth...he couldn't win without Phil.
Chris lost this argument when he started going with "rings" (a team accomplishment) over "stats" (an individual accomplishment). He also got caught making excuses for the Bulls losing in 95. MJ had better numbers in that playoff run than he had in 96 when they got Rodman and won the title. The real truth is that MJ needed that 3rd star to win. I notice Chris left out that Grant was hurt in 96 when the Bulls beat them. MJ fans usually leave out stuff like that to say "MJ beat Shaq".
this man is the greatest all around player the game has ever seen and it aint close can you imagine how many titles he would have had if he had a hall a fame coach and the luxury of his help never getting hurt when it truly mattered
How u just lying there like Nick Wright fashion 🐷
Even as a Celtics fan, I can say he is the greatest basketball player I’ve ever seen
Fahim Abrar nah your not a Celtics fan your a Lebron fan lol
You must be young.
Fahim Abrar good cuz he's almost done. We witnessing greatness.
you don't watch basketball
Nah you used to like the Cavs til kyrie went to the Celtics now they're your favorite, gtfoh bandwagon.
Nick Wright seems frustrated that Broussard knows way more about basketball than him
Kub Yang no Broussard is old enough to remember jordans career. He knows more
Broussard the GOAT
The fact this was 4 years ago and he’s still playing like this is crazy
Was looking for this comment lol crazy
Nick Wright owned CB so so badly LMAO
No he didn't. Broussard is KILLING Nick to this day 🤣
Most complete player ever
Christopher Mazulis nah that's wilt
Rickey Bishop completely different era and Lebron can play positions 1-5 Wilt couldn’t...
Christopher Mazulis Bron can't play center FR all star game joel was killing him stop it
Rickey Bishop Wilt couldn’t shoot 3s or free throws, couldn’t pass like lebron he also played in an era where his opponents opponents had to find real jobs in the off-season to support their basketball hobby. You can’t judge lebrons ability to play the 5 because of an all star game...
Christopher Mazulis Bron not really good at free throws now & wilt could shoot 3's actually google wilt shooting 3 shy hook 3's mind u the 3 point line wasn't invented yet when he was playing sir
Why in baseball you are judged by stats but in basketball you are judged by championships .
Andrew Starke because Individually Baseball is so much harder to be dominant than Basketball. Mike Trout is the best player in MLB but his team cant even make the playoffs
People act like you're a 1 man team in basketball and if you lose it's all on you apparently
In basketball a player can control different áreas of the game whole in baseball is more of collective effort and alot of things have to go right for you to win a title
Broussard ETHER'D Nick Wrong
no he didnt.
When Chris said Jordan had to deal with an era of 7 footers. Nick tries to bring up a context-less argument of just % if finishing at the rim. Jordan 1 hand lay up to flip to the other hand. Undoubtably a better finisher at the rim and nick stuttered when Chris said he was a better post player............................ this dude has lost his mind. Lebron not in the same stadium when it comes to post game.
EKG 14 Jordan is the master of the postgame and footwork to go along with it and Hakeem Olajuwon had the same set of skills
Smeker why it matters he is a shooting guard if he would play today he would have more competition and would not win dpoy cuz now it's the guard era and not center
Jordan=better post footwork
LeBron=better 3-PT shooter
Kind of a wash, isn't it?
If Jordan could have learned to shoot a 3... he would have.
Who’s here after Lebron finally hit 40k 10k 10k?! Legendary 🐐
Since all Nick care about is points rebounds & assist I wonder how long until he say Westbrook is better than LeBron since Westbrook average MORE points rebounds & assist than LeBron over the past few years 🤔🤔🤔
Westbrook won't have better careers numbers when he's done foo. Impossible.
You can't control westbrook but lebron is easier to read since he cares about his teammates success
The past few years? Ok.let westbrook average a triple double in the finals
Rus has nothing to show for that and has never been the best player in the finals. Being the best player encompasses more than triple doubles.
The whole reason I said this years ago was to prove how LeBron fans are hypocritical because when its LeBron vs Jordan LeBron fans will scream stats 24-7 & NOT MENTION team success much because Jordan had more team success...... But when its LeBron vs Westbrook they stop talking about stats & talk about team success because Westbrook has the better points rebounds & assist stats..... So WHICH ONE do y'all really believe???? Because it's contradictory 😂🤣😂
10:44 lmfaooooo "no....no jenna" lmao
Daily Enzo jenna embarrass herself every show
Daily Enzo this is why they shouldnt force women to do sports talk shows. They clearly arent interested and always make a fool out of themselves
When Nick said at 10:45 "no Jenna...awwwwe" 😂😂😂😂 like you don't know nothing do you hahaha
This video gives me chills down my spine
am i the only one that when they showed nicks face after that clip he's got the face of "that's my man right there you go baby"? lmfao
The titles argument is honestly kinda weak cause titles are a team accomplishment...stats are kinda weak too cause stats and numbers don't tell the whole story. I'm 18 so I'm not old enough to have seen MJ play but I can confidently say that LeBron is the best player I've ever seen
Trailmix lol facts
Numbers numbers numbers thank you Chris Broussard!
This was an interesting debate worth listening to
Jordan didn't walk away after the shot, he played two more years with the Wiz and missed the playoffs twice...
Already was a 6x champ tho
LOL Chris Broussard is hurting Nick's feelings
Nick Wright is killing this man with facts and Chris Brussard’s reasoning is more emotional than logic.
Chris seen here doing his best Skip Baseless impression......
LeBron is The GOAT, the BEST ever! MJ ain’t even close.
L
Major L
I wouldn’t say not even close for me I would say some days I pick lebron other days I pick mj
6 finals L's where got DOMINATED by JJ.BAREA to 8p 🐷
Nick becomes a man possessed when someone says Jordan is better than Lebron. Like Broussard says, Jordan is not numbers, is the GOAT because of the way he did it. And he had the entire league figuring out how to beat him while Lebron always seems to be the underdog in the finals.
Jon Osuna Hard not to be an underdog going against an ALL STAR TEAM
Ritvik Dutta I give him a pass these last two years as well as 2015 but 2011 should've been his. I would say 2014 but Wade and Bosh did struggle.
Kunga Sagar I agree with you. Although I’m a fan, 2011 was shocking. 2014 is also kinda debatable, but in 2015 Love and Kyrie were injured. He’s still MY favourite player, as I wasn’t fortunate enough to watch him in the 90s
People seem to dismiss Jordan's failures just to argue against LeBron greatness. People wasn't calling Jordan the goat while he was still playing while people are when it comes to LeBron
interesting because before scottie came the ENTIRE LEAGUE was beating him
10:32 “five minutes after hitting the blunt”
He just got pass 40000 10000 and 10000. Nick was right all along.
His injury and covid messed up that trajectory a little but I think he’s still on the path to 40 he’s putting up 25 right now and could definitely be doing at least 27
He's now 37 and averaging 29.1 points per game. Insane.
Nicks argument... Numbers... CB literally everything else
I love Chris Broussard
in 96 the bulls had rodman and the magic lost horace grant to injury.
Nick loves bringing up Jordan losing to the Magic but NEVER bring up LeBron losing to Dwight & the Magic so we could finally see LeBron vs Kobe in the finals 🤔👀
Tonio5100 lebron averaged 38/8/8/2/2 on 49% for that series.... really gonna hold that series against him?! Almost averaged a 40 point triple double, AND he was just 24 years old
Connor R. Smith yes I'm hold that against him the same way LeBron fans hold Jordan losing in the early playoff rounds in his early years..... Difference is at 24 years old LeBron was 7 years deep into the league already 🤔👀
Bottom line about 2009 is that Lebron fans did NOT want to see Lebron go up against Kobe in the finals that year..
Because claiming LeBron never lost in the playoffs is not an argument that LeBron proponents use.
The Jordan proponents are the ones who use the argument of 6-0 in the Finals and allude to the idea of him being undefeated.
The narrative of his "coming-of-age" is exaggerated. The reality was that the Celtics, Lakers, and Pistons aged out and Scottie Pippen developed into a better player. Personally, and I would hope most people would agree, I believe if the Bird-McHale-Parish Celtics and Showtime Lakers were still at their peak in the early 90s, MJ's Bulls with a primed Pippen alongside a prime Jordan would still have lost to them.
None of that is to say that LeBron is better than Jordan. Or that Magic and Bird were better than Jordan. But simply that the argument of 6-0 is a flawed one just as it would be flawed to say Bird is better than Jordan because his Celtics beat Jordan's Bulls. The '95 Orlando series is just one piece of evidence used to demonstrate that, though given the context of his late season return, it is fair to say it's not the best example . It's true that the best players can make an enormous impact in basketball, but it's still a team sport and the other 4 players on the court (and the players off the bench) are still a huge part in determining which teams win games. Most of the time, LeBron, Jordan, Bird, etc. aren't even on the court for 10-20% of the game since they usually play 40-44 out of a possible 48 minutes in the playoffs. Chamberlain was really the only guy to just routinely play entire games without a backup giving him rest. So to evaluate these players individually based on the outcome of those games is a highly flawed approach.
Personally, I believe Jordan is better than LeBron. But it has nothing to do with the championships or winning. The sport is about winning, but the sport is a team sport and those are team accomplishments.
As Broussard said, if it's a discussion about longevity, LeBron is going to be better than Jordan. Kareem is already better than Jordan. You could even make a strong case that Karl Malone is better than Jordan, given that he's the second all-time leading scorer, has more points than Jordan, more rebounds than Jordan, more blocks than Jordan, more All-NBA selections than Jordan, nearly as many assists, and was putting up 21-8-5 at age 39. But while longevity is both admirable and impressive, I don't think many of us are truly concerned with which player was better when they were each 37 or which player was better when they were both rookies. Generally, I think the point is to determine who was better when each player was at their best.
Broussard and other Jordan advocates often tout that "it's not just about the numbers", which is peculiar to me because the numbers are actually in Jordan's favor. If you look at their numbers in their respective primes, Jordan's numbers are slightly superior to LeBron's in both the regular season and postseason. Jordan was still a phenomenal player in the second threepeat, but he was declining and that threepeat was largely based on how stacked the team was, in both offensive and defensive capability. Jordan's early years ('86-'87 through '92-'93, the first threepeat and retirement), better demonstrate what he was capable of as an individual player. 30.4 PER and 33.2pts-6.0asts-6.4rebs-2.8stls-1.0blks on 59.0% TS% over those 7 seasons.
LeBron James is no slouch though and Jordan's numbers edge his out by the slimmest of margins, so it is certainly a legitimate debate when you try to account for the context and differences in era. For example, LeBron's competing in a more talented and physically gifted league with the expansion of the game internationally, evolution of the sport and players in general, and the ample time given for the expansion franchises to build themselves up. Though it is a league in which fouls are also awarded more easily. There are many differences in eras, and ones that favor both sides of the argument. In a similar fashion, there is a very strong argument for Wilt Chamberlain in this discussion, who is usually disregarded due to a relative lack of team success and some overblown myths about both his competition and his own character.
Pistons didnt age, they were all under 30 when Bulls annihilated them. And it wasnt as if they easily went past the Bulls in previous years. In fact the real NBA Finals in both 1989 and 1990 were against the Bulls, since they literally swept everybody else both years just missing a single game against Portland. Only thing Jordan needed from his team was some consistency which they were able to provide once they got past the point where they were rookies and sophomores. We are talking about an 8 players deep Pistons' team, coached by Chuck Daly and Jordan matched them with undevelopped players. Once they grew into their own, he swept them. Bulls were not even supposed to get over Lenny Wilkens' Cavs, a deep team that played greatbasketball.
Long story short, Jordan's career individually was one of consistent excellence (who's gonna best the league at anything 10 years straight?, who's gonna be leading scorer and leader in steals for consecutive years? who's gonna win leading scorer, leading in steals,DPOY,dunk contest and all star mvp all in the same year?) and team wise he either overachieved or at least achieved what was expected of his team.
Broussard is eating this man ALIVE 😂
Quentin Evans Chris is a genius but you are wrong in this case your statement really wasn't even worth a response Chris has an Achilles weakness here in trying to be judge of who is the greatest is just as opinion and it's just your opinion you have yours I have mine facts are stubborn things Jordan could not beat Isaiah bird or magic in their Prime Case Closed class is over
Iambriangregory exactly and people like to say, well LeBron is in a weak East, yea... Because he's in the East.
Whizzpopper hahaha you are so smart keep up the good work don't let nobody fool you or move you
thank you Chris
“In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." This is an accurate description of Nick Wright
Just that he lies about his BS!
Broussard crushed him! Great job!
It's official, Nick Wright is no longer a journalist to me, he's a Bron fan in a suit
Georgia Slay and yet he still wears J's
Georgia Slay he lied so hard about the advanced stats its rediculous
Bkc 14 And they keep saying he averages more ppg than Kobe Bryant, which is true but Kobe didn't start those first few years and averaged 9 or 10 along with the years at the end which hurt his averaged. Kobe averaged 35 one year. They know it's misleading
if that's the case then skip bayless is no longer a journa;ist either since he's the biggest Brady fanboy probably even bigger than Nick's love affair with LeBron.
@@flowoah1567 he averaged more pts than kobe in their head to head match-ups facts.
10:40 when you thought you had a mirror force face down but it was a kuriboh..
It’s Jenna Thinking Nick has Jordan’s on😭😭
Rings alone don’t determine greatness, there are 9 other players who have 6 or more rings than Jordan yet barely 2 of those players land in the top 10 all time.
Nick Wright just looks at numbers lolzzzzz look at the plays
Ismail Hussain
Or the finals competition
MistahUnknown Or the Conference competition
@@MistahUnknown LeBron played against better finals competition. not even close
Every accomplishment involves numbers
Good debate
He's got Broussard with that magic beating bulls comment! They NEVER bring that up lol.
Im just glad CB constantly destroys nick "the idiot" wright
Greatest of all time
We're any of those teams you mentioned on the same level as the Spurs GS OKC ETC
Broussard = an automatic like
This guy said Jordan quit twice (retired). He didnt say anything about the reports of Lebron quiting on his team twice. Once against Boston in his first go around with Cleveland and this year he basically quit so he can get different players. Now that he got new players he's going hard. I never heard about the best player in the world not playing hard because he dont like his teammates.
nick got very reckless there.
Again, your comment is fire.
itbepoetry thanks
itbepoetry lebron just seems so fake to me. Thanking himself is so below the greatest player in the world.
Your comment is Trash. Please add content
someone please remind Broussard that he had Lebron as the 2nd greatest ever almost 5 years ago....since than what did Lebron do to possibly eclipse Jordan in Broussard's eyes? I don't know, he only had:
- Finished 2nd in 2018 MVP voting, he should have won it over Harden
- the single greatest playoff run anyone ever had in 2018 (34/9/9 on 54%) and dragged that Cavs team to the Finals where he played his most complete game ever in Game 1 of the Finals just to get it cheated away by the refs ( not to mention Hill and JR)
- finished 2nd in the 2020 MVP voting behind Giannis where he should have won it, won the title in 2020 and FMVP as well with averages of 30 pts/12 reb/8.5 ast on 59% fg% and 67TS%, he only needed 2 points to lead EVERYONE in the whole playoffs in Total Points/Rebounds and Assists....at 35 in his 17th!!! season....
- in his 19th season he averaged 30 and in his 20th season he is still averaging 30 and is considered a lock Top 10 player (rather Top 5-6 still)
- he is about to break Kareem scoring record with ease while playing 150 games left and shooting more than 1000 less FGA
But I believe in 2018 February the gap between the 2nd and 1st greatest player ever was so huge still, that these past 5 years from Lebron are still not enough to even make it a valid conversation, let alone to just finally simply give in the stop pushing the media propaganda/agenda....
Lebron is 1 of 1
This is something here
FYI Nick Wright was wearing BigBallerBrand sneakers
You got me Chander
Nick, your’re lying. MJ is favored in most analytics/advanced stats. PER, WS/48, TS%, Off Rating, Def Rating, etc.
LeBron Fan Jones lmfao PER is almost exactly identical, and you Jordan fans are clinging to Win shares and Truue shooting %?? Jesus lebron is easily the goat if that’s all you have
Connor R. Smith that’s why it’s a close call between the two. If you didn’t know, Win shares is one of the most prominent advanced stats in the NBA.
6 rings in less years > 3 rings in more years. If stats were the goal, Jordan and Kobe would have went for 60+ points a game. But stats isn't the goal. Rings are. Lebron will never be the goat because of Jason Terry and JJ Barea. Deal with it
Connor R. Smith Jordan not only led PER, but did it against better competition. Jordan had 20 wins in the playoffs against 50+ win teams vs LeBrons 10. Jordan had 9 more scoring titles, 1 more MVP, 1 more defensive POY, led the league in steals 3 times, etc etc. Jordan also wasn't swept in the Finals twice nor did he suffer the worst Finals defeat in NBA history (2014 Spurs vs Miami). Jordan was also never part of one of the worst defensive teams in the league either (2017-2018 Cavs were 29th). I could go on and on. Jordan is the goat and it's not even close.
Connor Smith Along with leading the league in scoring 10 times, steals 3 times, highest PPG average EVER, most finals MVPs ever, more regular season MVPs than LeBron. I mean come on. Take your pick. I’ll take that over a dude who can only give me 2 more passes and a rebound a game.
Every body needs to give it up I love Jordan but jordan had a better all around team but LeBron is a better individual basketball player
LeBron is a better all-around player but MJ is a better individual player. Also MJ didn't necessarily has a better all around team. Pippen? Wade wasn't any less. People act like Bron got scrub teams but when he won, he always had multiple allstars on the same team. The big difference is MJ played in a system, while Lebron IS the system (that alone is a compliment instead of something to knock on Bron) but it's a fact that the rest of the team, including allstars teammates didnt perform to their fullest strength because there wasn't a system aside from the one named LeBron. It keeps going on and on, they're not allstars, they rely on Bron, they ditch them after a while and chase other stars....etc. SMH
People need to go back in watch Jordan last two titles pippen was playing like he was wash asf
mike hines
How many rebounds did he average?
SoChillCyp you make very good sense keep up the good work I'll put you on my list of advanced students
What better all around team are you talking about? What in gods good name do these people talk about? Player for player, both three peat Bulls were INFERIOR to a lot of teams. It was Jordans' presence that made'em a dynasty. And I am not even talking about the 8 players deep Pistons who had monster players coming from the bench. Lenny Wilkens' Cavs were a great great basketball team. The 1992 Blazers were deeper than the Bulls and more athletic. The 1993 Suns had a MONSTER roster, second unit that would be starters all over the league. In 1996 you had Orlando with Shaq, Penny and CO, you had Kemp and Payton, in 1997 and 1998 you had a much deeper and younger Indiana team and of course Utah. Heck, Miami with Alonzo and Tim Hardaway and Pat Reily on the bench was a solid team. You've got idiots naming Pippen as an equal to Wade. Pippen was never a franchise material player, and offensively he couldnt carry a team. The "Wade" of the league back then in SF position was Dominique Wilkins. Rodman was a bona fide role player, couldnt score to save his life and played from age 35 to 38!!!! for the Bulls. To get a glimpse of what we are talking about, the idiocy of this comparison, the during their second three peat, Bulls went up against the two arguably best PFs of the league, Shawn Kemp and Karl Malone and their answer was ....Rodman. Jordan received the least amount of offensive help a supportin cast has provided during the 1997, a series where he also played a game on the verge of ER.
Fast forward 20 years, you had Kyrie Irving averaging more points than Curry in both the 2016 and 2017 NBA Finals. In fact he averaged the most points a second scorer has averaged in the history of the Finals both times. Heck, you had Kevin Love with limited touched averaging more than Pippen did.
If Jordan had half the star power the NBA has surrounded Lebrun with, he'd retire with 15 consecutive titles.
Love Chris
Crazy how this is 3 years ago and Lebron been averaging 25 for these past 3 years he going definitely finish number 1 in points facts
LeBron just spoke honest truth 💯
Pretty fair debate and im a big Jordan fan but the name of GOAT starts with the letter L.
Lavar!
This the best of the GOAT argument hands down
Basically Jordan's team would be LeBron playing with Leonard and Capella with Pop as a coach
Nick wrong said Jordan is second greatest ? Get him out
“I’m not a scorer”
Ends game with 25 shots
Daniel M who tf else is gonna shoot? He’s still by FAR the best player on the team, he’s not a scorer first but he’s still gotta be the guy taking the most shots
Lol yea shoots 25 shots for once. He usually only takes around 15 to 20 and still averaging 27 points a game. If he were to take 25 to 30 shots every night like Durant or Westbrook he’d win scoring title every year.
Still a scorer. Third in FGA this year. That’s a scorer.
He took many shots when he played with wade and kyrie. Invalid argument. In fact, he shot more than them.
terrell calloway curry gets to the free throws line?
This debate is probably the best goat debate I ever heard
7:57 the core of everyone's feeling
“We never saw him lose” we saw MJ lose in the playoffs 7 times and miss playoffs two other times but bc it wasn’t in the finals it doesn’t matter. This logic is so dumb
You don’t value winning
@@brentt8940 of course I do and LeBron has won the most playoff games/series ever
@@superdopehiphop cool story! Funny how his rate goes down when in the finals. Hasn’t won more than Kobe or MJ
@@brentt8940 if lebron in the finals had the kind of team jordan had he would be 9-10 or possibly 10-10
@@Mt554. ??? What a joke. He had a super team in Miami and barely got 2 out of 4. You watch basketball much ?
Yea he definitely can get to 40k since he’s still not slowing down in year 17.
38k now
They were saying this 3 years ago
The shoe part💀💀💀
Lebron..win 2 more rings and then we can start talking...not even ONE puts you in the conversation!
He beat the greatest team of all time.
It's not just great centers in the Finals, it's the lack of great teams period. The "physical" defense thing is exaggerated because nobody was athletic ally equal to Jordan. Lebron is in a much more equitable era of athleticism and he can't even be wrapped up on fouls because he still makes them at a significant clip: Don't tell me that physical defense in idk was something that bothered Jordan. The physicality also HELPED Jordan as a defender for the same reasons. So his legacy is inflated in many respects: Historical context dictates that he loses whenever his team isn't #1 in the league while having inferior Finals competition vs Lebron winning while never having the benefit of a #1 team against superior-to-equal Finals competition (also never having a hall-of-fame, which is common to every other great). Alongside the superiority in terms of actual basketball skill, Jordan is the lesser of the two.
(Also, Jordan is not the better post player. Lebron has head fakes, upfakes, pump fakes, post spins, drop steps, up-and-unders, etc and all are at an elite level. So much so that he destroys players regarded as elite-to-high level defenders like Leonard and Butler in the post whenever he decides to score that way, and in an era where they can match his athleticism.)
Izzy Izzerton best comment ever. jordan was playing against unathletic white guys...craig ehlo??? really??? the skills are much higher now..the players way more athletic and strong. jordan played against trash teams.
Smart person
Idiots he's top 5 but kareem, mj, and russell are still ahead of him
Yall debate the best fr
In a few hours, he will have 38k+ points 10k assists and 10k rebounds and now he is the all time leading scorer.
No Nick Kareem does NOT have more accomplishments than MJ. Yes he has 1 more reg season MVP (in 7 more seasons), but MJ has more of everything else pretty much (in 7 less seasons). And NO Nick Lebron is not better at basketball than MJ. The intangibles are far in MJ's favor. Lebron does have the longevity over MJ and his prime duration has now just exceeded MJ's BUT the game was a bit rougher in MJ's era too. Lebron is a great great player. He's 4th best of all time for me. Mj is the GOAT and Kareem is 2nd.
do a little research. kareem has the best end to end basketball career from highschool to NBA.
Lebron is the GOAT 🐐
The 80s was tougher than the 90s
if lebron was on those bulls team, he would have 6 rings too
Pippen would of left like Kyrie and Lebron would of went to the Pistons. The Bulls would still have no championships.
kyrie left because the cavs were trying to trade him and he wouldnt of needed to leave. because he would have a hall of fame team. Jordan wouldnt of been able to take the teams to the finals lebron has and won with and lost with. jordan was a great player drafted in a perfect sitution with a hall of fame coach.
Kyle Anderson no he wouldn’t
Mj would’ve never lost to the mavericks with wade and bosh gtfoh
mj also lost in the first round two times lol
Nick is incredibly smart. he has next level basketball geekiness.
Nobody else will ever do this
I'm not a scorer, but I can put the ball in the hole.......says the guy who averages 27 and has scored 30k
He is not a true scorer, but will retire as the all time leader at scoring.
Micah PG did you hear your contradiction before you typed that??
John Berry right he about to average more points than Kobe and Kobe was a scorer
Chris lookin at nick dude you slow lmao
I love Nick Wright
Now he’s at 40k, 10k 10k And still going strong as a top 10 player in the league
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Jack Ripper Jordan is the goat
The stats are great and all but the eye test says MJ!
Petcov Jason because mj was smaller and more graceful everyone knows small guys look better and have more flash just like kyrie looks better than lebron to the eye
I disagree, the eye test says Lebron over Kyrie!
the eyes can lie, stats don't lie.
#1 MJ
#2 Magic
#3 Kareem
#4 Bird
#5 K. Malone
That's my 1st team
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Never talk basketball again please
It’s crazy bron could have 40k now
He has it now
Take Jordan and put him in the modern rules and he would own the NBA. LeBron would be his sidekick.
One thing Michael DEFINATELY had over LBJ was he always played on better teams than LBJ.
Chicago was the favorite to win every time in the finals. Not the case with LBJ. Also Chicago was a stacked team in an expansion era.
Name the players who guarded MJ? MANY TALK ABOUT THE GREAT centers MJ had to play against. I don't think centers guard shooting guards? Those centers were great but much slower than any of the guards. It shouldn't be held against a great player if they played on an inferior team, and many did. Chris says that it's automatic for a LBJ lead team to make it out of the east and says it was that way for the whole league for MJ. That in and of itself showed how watered down the whole league had become following Magic & Bird. Just remember MJ didn't win till Bird retired and he didn't win without Pippen one of the greatest defenders of all time. Then they added one of the greatest rebounder of all time, who did the job on one of the most dominant centers(Shaq)of all time in a playoff series. So other than Jordan being a ball hog, no defenders in the league at his position, playing with one of the greatest defenders of all time, and one of the greatest rebounder defenders of all time and one of the greatest 3pt shooters of all time and one of the greatest coaches of all time and playing in a post Magic/Bird watered down era, then yes Jordan is the greatest and His untouchable myth continues to grow every year.
Chicago wasn’t favories
Chicago wasn’t favorite in 1998 NBA finals
Peter E They were favorites in the 98 finals, go back and look at it, not by a lot but they were still favored
Fox Cam lol so Lebron has no help and mj has had all the help ? Lmao Lebron has had more top 50 players than mj. And more 20 ppg scorers than mj in the finals . you can't say mj had dominate teammates then go on to say his era was full of terrible competition. You Lebron Stan's are just like Lebron y'all try to control the narrative
Fox Cam and Lebron has had Ben Wallace. Ben >rodman oh yea d wade>pippen
Chris forgot to mention jordans a better defender
These three are the dream team. Jena is smart and hilarious. Nick is fun to watch because he's passionate. And Chris is the most reasonable and insightful pundit in all of sports. And their chemistry is GREAT.
GSW got 5 HOFers
NINOBROWN
Zaza Pacheapshot, the GOAT. Almost took out two future hall of famers in Kawhi and Westbrook by himself
Andre Igoudala.
Grimmj7w
Since when is 13 points and 4 rebounds considered hall of fame? He was a slightly above average player who had a few good seasons and became a role player before he turned 30
Steve Kerr is the fifth lmaoo
You're just looking at stats, he has a finals MVP award for locking up LeBron James who is being debated as the best player ever and was also a key role player for multiple championships, if Manu Ginobli is a Hall of Famer certainly Andre is as well?
LeBron can fill the stat sheet cause in most games he is the center of the offense. He gets to decide to shoot ..to pass or to drive to the basket. And he is excellent at that but Jordan took over anybody that challenge him and did it improving himself. Not running to a better team
jordan had another superstar in pippen, a hall of fame coach and a more stable organization; there was no reason to run to another team when his team kept getting better.
Why would Jordan leave the bulls tho they were a great organization
It is about numbers!!! 3 or 2 at a time.
People always forget iguodala is a hall of famer too