THE TRUTH ABOUT TANK LINERS
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In this episode, I discuss the biggest killer to vintage 3 wheelers and take you through the steps on how to repair a rust filled tank, clean the carburetor and go for a ride in the woods to celebrate, I talk about long term storage, and evaluate my collection and what direction to go, moving forward. Enjoy the Show! Be sure and checkout my good friend Preston over at @ThisOldTrike tell him MRC sent ya, he is a wealth of knowledge and information about classic Honda 3 wheelers.
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The difference between the 85/86 is the starter jet. 85 Has a press in starter jet #55 on he bottom of the circuit. The 86 had a larger #70 starter jet located on the side like your aftermarket carb there. You can easily use a micro drill bit set with a .80mm drill bit to drill out the pressed in jet on the 85 carbs and it will start as easily as the 86/87 ;)
Excellent information, Like I always say, if you don't know carbs, you better know someone who does. Thanks Curtie
@@mrcbuilds You're welcome sir
I wish I could find a big red
the great mustie1 has a video where he removed the rust the same way BUT instead of sitting around shaking it back and forth, he strapped it to the back wheel of his truck, jacked the truck up, then put it in gear and let it spin for like half an hour. The results were nothing short of looking like a brand new gas tank inside.
I have done it that way before, I strapped one to the rear of a atc! I didnt feel this tank needed that much work.
mate, I'm in Scotland, really enjoy your vids.
Thank you Sir, I'm just a small town guy, it still amazes me how far YT reaches. Thanks for watching and subscribing
On my 250sx on that plate blocking the carb I ground the welds off of it smoothed up the edges and painted everything and drilled holes and put bolts in it and it made a huge difference in working on or removing the carb.
Thats my biggest issue with this model, its such a pain to remove the carb, the later 300 had a removable brace, it just bolted on and off. Thanks for watching
Appreciate the tips, will get back on the 3 wheelers this week. Snow has melted and the pond is returning to water once again but the mud season is tough.
Have fun! and downshift!
Awesome video, I own two 85 big reds and ride the one during the summer every day instead of driving my truck. The ride quality and seat are the best. If was closer I would buy that one in a heartbeat! Have a good one man
Thank you. Yes the seat is nice and wide on the 250es, very comfortable.
Man you like your old Hondas, cool collection.
Reliving childhood fantasies, 1 build at a time.
Caswell should put a crease in each can to show where the half way of volume so your measurements are close.
Good idea
Great video on how to line the tank! Doing the same thing with my Big Red as well!
Glad it helped, Thanks for watching!
Your correct about the hard starting.. honda had a recall, "cold start kit" to be dealer installed 85 big red and trx 250
Thank you Tricycle guy, I hope to always pass on correct information, thank you
What did the cold start kit consist of? I have an 85 250br I just cleaned the carb on would like to upgrade it while I'm at it
@@johnchamberlin4791 Hi John, I'm sorry I do not have the answer to that question, message tricycleguy or curtie@ 223cycles.net, either should be able to help you out. thanks for watching
@@johnchamberlin4791 Hey John, the "cold start kit" that Honda released in February 1986 for the 1985 ATC 250es/sx consists of a larger replacement jet, some vent hoses, fittings, clips, and screws. Here is the part number for the kit # 06161-HA0-305.
@@johnchamberlin4791 the kits are hard to find It was some hoses and plastic barb fittings
Another great vid! I usually use muriatic acid evapo rust works pretty good also. I’d love to buy that big red off u
I will be listing it soon, as much as I hate to part with it, there comes a time, we all must make hard choices.
I bought a little box of paint filters and I always use them for anything like that to filter it and they work quite well, sometimes I double them up if I want to really filter something good, Thanks
Good idea, you never know when you might need to repurpose something.
She runs great!👍.That carburetor looks like the same one I’m running on my 85 big red . Also, I just rebuilt my 86 big red with one of the Shindy piston kits you suggested and it runs great also. Thx!!
Hey thanks for letting me know, Shindy makes a great product, but can be hard to find. I am glad I could help you out. thank you for subscribing and supporting the channel
Excellent video!!
Glad you liked it! Thanks!
No!!! Can't get rid of your ES bikes... Those are my favorite bikes and videos you do!.
It may come to that. Sad to say.
Wow thank you been waiting for a video like this!!! I’m not scared to coat tank anymore 😬
You can do it!
@@mrcbuilds I think I can, I think I can!
Can definitely say I'm addicted to these old bikes. In the past week I went and bought a 85 125m, 83 200x, and 84 200es. All of them need work but I've got a bike for every possible need now
Welcome to the club, yes you do very nice selection. Thanks for sharing and subscribing to the madness
@@mrcbuilds thank you for the awesome and informative videos. These are what give me the confidence to keep wrenching on them
@@stubbysgarage Thank you Stubby, I really am glad my videos help and inspire others, thanks for says so.
Love the vids I recently picked up a 1981 atc 185s and it already almost works
Great, the 185s is a fun machine, enjoy it!
I will the only what's really holding me back from driving is the back inner rim is rotted right but won't be to long
I picked up a 1981 185s today. Swapped the carb with a spair I had and got it running.
@@wiscopitbike Done the same many times, you can't wipe the smile off my face, thats why we do it. thanks for sharing.
I have had really great results from red cote
I have had mixed results with red kote
Great video mrc_builds!!
I Loved and miss my 85 Big Red. They really do not make bikes like they use to. In my personal opinion the quality is just not there anymore. I have a 2019 Rubicon 500 DCT Deluxe, and I also have a 1999 Honda TRX300FW, and doing a side by side comparison, you can see how Honda had to skimp on quality of the Rubicon just so they could keep the cost down because of all the technology they put on it, like fuel injection, power steering, DCT transmission. Even the racks on the Rubicon are not the same quality steel as the old 300. I miss the good old days when the trikes were still being manufactured and sold. That's when bikes were bikes!!
I completely agree, even the newer Honda aren't made as good as the old ones. Thanks for watching
Try Evapo-Rust on the inside of your tanks. Works great. Just did one and turned out great. After 12 hours I had placed 1/2” nuts and shook them up periodically while the soak was happening and the tank came out rust free.
That is a good product.
I just coated a 1979 Honda ATC 70 with Caswell and I love it! doing two Honda 250sx and two more 70 tanks with it this week. And the guys at Caswell said that I can even coat over flaking cream sealer as long as I get as much as the cream out that I can... So I have one tank I'm gonna try that on.
Right on, That's great, Caswell is the best on the market, I believe, simple, odorless and effective. Thank for sharing
@@mrcbuilds I just recently found out about Caswell and its way better then redkote so I'm doing all my tanks that need it lol.
@@smallmiraclesgarage622 I have had redkote and Kreme both fail, I hear good things about POR, but I like Caswell.
Will Caswell work over Redkote? I used Redkote on a tank and still get red gas out of it a year later. I have lots of carb issues with that bike and I blame it on the sealer.
Thanks
Dan
@@donutdan1508 I would tumble the tank with some nuts and bolts, for like 15 minutes, let sit 24 hours in white vinegar, dry and put in Caswell. I did exactly this over Kreme.
Hey all.. i did the vinegar bath followed by the caswell coating as demonstrated in this vid and it def stopped my pin hole leak and looks to have covered the inside of the tank really well. Again i only had tiny pinhole leaks but it worked well for me👍
Hi RoyBoy, thanks, I'm glad it worked out for you
@@mrcbuilds thank you for the tip!!
A little food for thought with the bowl gasket on the carb. I like to soak the rubber gasket in vinegar for about an hour it seems to reinvigorate the rubber it gives me a bit more confidence in the seal when tightening the screws. Also you can do that with the intake manifold as it gets a bit hard over the years. If you notice that the bike is running rough as if it is having an air leak you will want to replace the intake manifold. They do leak at times and there is not fix to it. You can still get them new from Honda with the part number.
I put my intake boots in the heated parts washer for an hour, they come out clean and soft.
@@mrcbuilds good idea
Has anyone tried Evaporust to clean up a tank? Seems like that stuff was made for jobs like this. Thanks for this and all your other videos. Makes it so much easier to keep these little bikes out and about!
Yes, I have, I didn't see any better results than with the distilled white vinegar, yes it worked, but compare the cost and results, I will continue to use vinegar.
@@mrcbuilds Thanks! There is a big difference in cost for sure. Adding vinegar to the shopping list!! Thanks for review, it might just help keep a few more Honda's up and running!
You should try muriatic acid mixed with water, really heats up good and gets the tank back to bare metal. After use por15 metal prep, dry with 100% alcohol and then use a gun bluing solution to coat the bare metal before it can rust. Also a pressure washer gets the inside pretty clean. Great video though
Thanks Jack, Like the old saying, there's more than one may to skin a cat. Thanks for sharing.
@@mrcbuilds definitely seems almost any acid will do the trick
I’ve done both ways, it seams the muriatic acid seems to do the trick before using a liner.
But the acid can be dangerous if you never used it before.
Thanks for sharing brother. I used Red-Kote in my 1980 XR 80. Have you used that kind. And if so what was the problem with it??
Hey Cain, yes I have used red kote. I have a 50/50 success rate with red kote.
Maybe it looks worse on camera than in person, but man, it looked like there was a lot of rust left in that tank when you coated it. I don't think i could sleep knowing I did that. Maybe i have no room to talk because ive never coated a tank. However if I did, I would put a lot more work into removing the rust, regardless of what the coating manufacturer says.
Don't take this the wrong way man I'm not dogging you if this works.... but my brain would not allow me to do it like that.
That tank was coated almost 2years ago, and its holding strong. May be the lighting or even the edit. But the tank was very clean before the coating went in.
I like your video, I just had a guy line my tank but when I got it back home I realized there is rust exposed on the neck of the tank where it sits on the middle of the frame. Is this going to be an issue going forward and should I ask him about it, or is it minimal where as the rest of the tank should be fine now? Just wondering what you think. Your liner seemed to cover all of your tank, but I think he must have used the clear stuff on mine.
Rule of thumb is keep your tank full when not in use, always use ethanol free fuel and it wouldn't hurt to run 2 fuel filters inline if there is any Doubt that rust might be an issue. Thanks for watching.
I have a 250sx engine on a four wheel drive buggy that I built from scratch and the reverse is so slow and I was wondering if they have a gear kit to speed it up, Thanks
I have never heard of a different reverse gear that would be interchangeable
Thanks for the video tutorial! What bolt did you use for the petcock tube and did you have to remove it while drying? Also the wife ordered me the smallest amount 3 gallon accidentally do you think it would be enough for the 250es tank or send it back? thanks
Any old bolt will do, I think that was a 1/2 shank bolt, it does not thread in just slide it in and tape it. Once cured I twisted the bolt and slid it out. 3 gal is exactly the size of the 250es tank. I used half of a 12 gallon tank kit, that cost $120, but I can do 2 tanks so that averages $60 each vs $80 for a single kit.
@@mrcbuilds so you think the 3 gallon kit will be enough? The specs say it's 3.2 gallon tank? I'm scared to try it and not be enough lol after hearing you say it's a pain to remove
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@@mrcbuilds ya I'll have her send that back and get the 10 gallon one
Hey man i heard you say one episode that namura pistons are ok quality .
I just wanted to confirm that? Is namura better thwn wiseco? Should I put wiseco or namura piston into 185 .
I'm gonna put a 200x piston and a xl185s cam in it to give er some extra grunt
Wiseco is the best in the industry, I have used several of both, and never had issue with either.
I have 88 trx300 4x4 im working on for older lady with lung cancer to ride around property. The issue im having running so rich can't hold throttle more then just above idea. Its so bad exhaust smell will burn ur eyes and plug turns ash black quick. If I shut fuel off just before it runs out then runs great. Any idea of cause or a solution. Thanks in advance
Hi Eugene, i would have the carb rebuilt, and adjust the valves. If by adjusting the screw on the bottom of the carb inward to "lean" it out does not work, it needs a rebuild. you can buy replacements or have your OE carb rebuilt at www.223cycles.net, use MRCBUILDS at checkout in the coupon code for 10% off
Copper electrical wire is what I use since it's softer than brass!
That's a good Idea, I have been following you on Insta, you have some very nice trikes, Thank you for subscribing to the channel.
@@mrcbuilds love your channel
Does this tank liner plug tiny pin holes that weep gas?
Yes small pins holes it does a good job
mrc_builds do you neutralize the tank after removing vinegar? Or just clean with alcohol and dry?
I have done it a couple different ways, I like pour 1/2 out, add 1/2 box baking soda, swish, rise with warm water, dry with heat gun or compressed air
Awesome thanks!! Just did my tank, you mentioned painting the underside of the cap to prevent rust from starting there as mine has, what paint do you use that works with gasoline?
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If you had a replacement petcock, could you just leave the original in and remove once finished?
Yes and no, if that's what you want to do, take the old sock or filter screen off the old petcock then put it back on. The petcock threads on the outside of the take tube, so no coating will get on the threads, either with a bolt or using the old petcock
@@mrcbuilds thanks for always taking the time replying to us ATC boys. There isn't much information on youtube for these old trikes and your videos on your channel definitely helps us out enormously.
The frames and rear swing arms are different between the 2 unfortunately!
I have the same Big Red it's an 87 and I found out that the starter gears are missing is there a place I can get a set of new ones
Go to partzilla.com, find the parts your missing, write down the part numbers, if they don't offer it, ebay would be my next place to look, then the FB forums.
Thank
How long can/should you leave the vinegar in the tank? I’ve been given another tank for my bike but it is definitely got more rust but still seems structurally intact. Will a couple of days ruin the metal?
No sir, i have left it in a couple days no issue. The real key to vinegar is pour half out and then neutralize it with baking soda then rinse with diesel. Careful the baking soda will cause it to foam!.
@@mrcbuildsok will the diesel affect this caswell lining in your opinion. I followed this vid on my last tank. I don’t seem to remember this step but it was a while back.
I would not rinse with diesel, if your using a liner. The diesel rise only if your just cleaning the tank and not lining it.
@@mrcbuilds ok thanks. I intend to stick withe same process as you did in the video. Just with a little longer soak time with the vinegar.
I have a question regarding the process for the vinegar in the tank. Can you put electrodes in the vinegar and put 12 volts to it to help release the rust from inside the tank??
I'm not sure how well viniger conducts electricity. I have seen it done with other liquids, might be worth a try
@@mrcbuilds vinegar is very acidic I am done it many times in an old lunch box with carb parts they are spotless. I use an aluminum bolt attached to 1 wire and then the other wire is copper with a copper bolt attached to it or I use a cobalt rod that is broken. That works best and I throw it in the cooler lunch box and attach the wires to a battery charger. It will also take ALL of the rust off no matter how bad it is. I can assume it would bring the tank to new condition. It really does work. In a gas tank I think I would use vinyl hose to go in the tank so the wires do not touch each other that is important to not cross the wires. Or as the ghostbusters say do not cross the stream it may be dangerous. LOL
@@briandolata3466 you sold me with the Ghostbusters reference.
@@mrcbuilds LOL
Is there any level of rust that is acceptable? I have a bit of rust in my 84. The petcock filter is orange with I assume is rust.
Its just a matter of time before it makes it in the carb. Run double filters inline until you can seal the tank.
@@mrcbuilds so this caswell stuff is what you’d go with? Is this direction sheet look familiar? The Amazon link is dead. I pulled this off a website called emerald coatings…
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@@kansascityshuffle8526 yes, it seams amazon no longer carries the Caswell brand, I would recommend D & A restorations in Cut Off , Louisiana. they are a dealer of Caswell products. Tell them I sent you! lol thanks for watching.
@@mrcbuilds ok thanks i try them
Hello. I was wondering if you could give me an estimate of the value of a brand new Big Red 3-Wheeler. I am the Executor for my neighbor's Estate who passed away at age 96 in January. My wife and I have been slowly doing an inventory of his belongings and clearing out his home to prepare for an Estate Sale. Dale, was a "collector"....i.e. hoarder.....so it has been an extremely time consuming and labor intensive process. As one would expect, we have been finding lots of brand new, in the box tools, small appliances, firearms and etc. And Dale had many old vehicles which I have been pulling up from their parking place and advertising and selling (plus farm implements). But....the reason for my writing you is that back in his shed we uncovered a brand new Big Red and a hardly used Kawasaki 100 motorcycle. I have been letting them set as there was so much for me to work on...but today, on July 4, I finally got the shed cleared out enough to actually get to the Big Red and the Kawasaki and look them over. I checked the gas tank on the Big Red and it was rusty. That is why I found your CZcams because I was searching on how to 1) remove the gas tank and 2) how to clean it. So, I think your Tube gave me all the info I need to remove and clean the Big Red Tank and coat it (and the Kawasaki Tank).
The story Dale told me was he purchased the 3-wheeler back when they were deeply discounted as 4-wheelers were beginning to be popular. He told me he purchased it and then and simply parked it in the shed and never drove it. The shed was so full of stuff, snowmobiles, equipments, supplies, tires, a boat, vehicles and odds and ends from the previous 120 years (Dale was born on the place as an only child to his parents), that, even though I had been in the shop many times over the last 22 years, I had never seen the Big Red. The story on the Kawaski is that he purchased it to run out and check on his cows but had too much trouble starting it (I think it is a 1976) and simply parked it too. I will be removing and purchasing/installing new batteries in both the 3-Wheeler and Kawasaki. So I don't know exactly how many miles are on the Big Red as it looks to me like it is a digital display. Kawasaki has 232 miles on the OD. So, I thought maybe you could give me an idea of what a Brand New Big Red may be worth as I need to get it sold here in the next month or so....and If you have an idea on the Kawasaki, I could use some help there too....although the Kawasaki was parked out near the entrance to the shed and has some pretty serious rusting through out the metal parts. The Big Red, though, is really clean. Thanks.
PM me on facebook and send me a few pictures, I'm happy to help
One thing to know is the original gas tank is actually bigger than the plastic gas tank
Let me get ole big girl, i will rider her!!! Lol
I know you would!
Any experience with kreem?
Yes, and it failed, I originally did my Van Halen tank, and it let go, I was pretty upset about that, it was tough to get it all out and not scratch up the tank.
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You must ride a Honda!
Cant even see the Yamaha guys from here!