I had to cut it apart! Honda Big Red 3 Wheeler 200es.
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- čas přidán 12. 03. 2021
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1984 Honda Big Red 200es rear brakes WORST I EVER SEEN! HELP! ATC Repair FAIL
In this episode I replace the rear brake shoes on a 1984 Honda Big Red ATC 3 wheeler.
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stumbled on ur channel , really enjoying it .... well done dude 👍
Thank you, I am still learning. I am glad you like it.
I’m currently fixing up a 200es myself, I brought mine back from the dead 3 times, one of the times was from the spark advancer blowing itself up like in your previous 200es video, love the old 3 wheelers, your videos are very informative and I look forward to see more videos in the future
Thank you Matthew, I have really enjoyed making them, I hope it is helpful to others. Thank you for watching and subscribing
Dealing with the same problem at my garage in Cleveland Heights but I am Costarrican, thanks for posting it ,👍
Hi Dio, just keep after it, you will get it. thanks for watching!
yep cotter pin.... lol I'm going to watch them ALL!!! havin fun
Ol cotter is sneaky
Thanks ! A great video
Dig your honesty......and the reality of fixing things...... ATE my lunch!!!! Love it!!!! :)
Yes, sir it happens. No shame.
Great videos thank you🤟🏼
Thank you Young Zook, I hope they help
Thanks man !
Awesome, I'm glad I could help.
AC/DC Rules!
Glad I found ur channel thanx
Welcome!
the grooved shoes have been available since the 80's. I was putting them on back then.
Good to know, thank you.
I got one of these, mine had the diff bolt seized, and as they wasn't tight , it flogged the frame out. had to cut it out with a hacksaw to get it out of the frame, then drilled the bolts out from both sides before I got the diff apart.
I know what you mean, but i will say of all of them i have had this was the only one to have this problem. Thanks for sharing.
This is the one I needed. Having the same problem on my 200ES. Where did you get the felt gasket? Got the other seal and barring on the way with new shoes. Still haven’t got my hub off it is stuck bad.
I could not find the small felt around the adjuster arm on line, you can make one from a piece of felt, may be 2 layers thick.
@@mrcbuilds thanks brother
Not to change the subject but I know your the only one who can answer this how do you run led lights on the older one like the 185s or the other pull start bikes without battery power
You need to add a voltage regulator. You can get a cheap one off ebay that's adjustable. There are other ways to do it but that is pretty straight forward.
@@mrcbuilds thank you if you would please do a video on this and I see on 3wheeler world these bikes had an optional charging system how did that work?
Hey MRC I watch a lot of your vids and learn a ton. I have a 1984 Honda 200es that I’m looking for the rear brake drum cover. The one closer to the wheel that holds the brake lines. The one I have the top tab that holds the line is broke.
That is a common problem the alluminum is kinda weak there or they get hit. I may have one
Would you be willing to sell me one? I would greatly appreciate it!
@@mrcbuilds not trying to bother you but did you have a chance to look for the rear drum cover?
Hello from New Zealand !
I have a 84 Honda ATC 200es that I have apart at the moment . That spacer/collet that the bearing runs on is very loose on the splines on the axle itself . How would you recommend fixing it or replacing the axle and the spacer/collet.
Im actually unsure what the function of the spacer/collet does ?
This was an amazing video. Thanks again. Helped me out with my ES.
Your welcome, I'm glad I could help. Those brakes can be a real pain. Sometimes you just got to walk away and think it through.
Cool brother
Thank you Cain, that one worked me
Can you change a reverse drive to a chain drive- get rid of the drive shaft
I would say no, that would be a ton of work the frames and axle mounts are different.
Honda drum brakes are not a 10 minute job ! Especially the front drum brakes! why honda or any other vehicle manufacturer used drum brakes for so long is mind blowing to me !
Agreed, I think the drum brakes on the honda 300 4x4 was a real lapse in judgment, they could have disc.
I have a question are all the atc200 rear brakes the same like from 1982 1984
stumbled across your video this exactly what i have but the drum itself is broken apart also. I am having one heck of a time finding the correct drum for the 84 200 es only there is a big nut as part of the hub of the drum and I literally cannot find it. Any help would be useful TIA.
Hey lance, make a post on FB in honda horders or 3wheelerworld.com wtb section. Thats a very common machine, should not be a problem finding that part. If not i may have one if you can find one.
That thing was a bully
Yeah, it beat me up pretty good
Hello MRC; I too came across your channel recently, and you sparked something in me to start working on my collection of Honda ATC three wheelers. I have a 1984 big red, 1982 250 R, and a 1984 I believe it’s 200. Looking forward to watching all your videos. Thank you form Central Valley of California.
Hey my1zoky, thanks and welcome to the channel. I really like the 84 big red. Like I have stated it's my favorite big red. I'm glad your getting back to working/playing with you ATC. I hope to use this channel as a way to educate, entertain and inspire you people to get out in the garage or shop and learn basic mechanics. Thanks again.
Look up the Vin number and that will tell u exactly what model u have. I have 2 forgot exactly what they are but next year when I have time going to rebuild them.
Great refresher course for me thanks much 💪💪💪💪
My pleasure! Thanks for watching
Hi is it possible to take to take the rear axle shaft out without tearing into the rear end besides taking of the brakes
I do not think so, since the axle comes out the left side.
@@mrcbuilds Hi after I took the brake and drum off, by the way was a lot easier than what your video showed, I was able to tap the shaft out from the left side. My shaft is bent, going to try and straighten my shaft.
Does the axle slide out of the brake or differential side? I bent the axle on mine and can’t seem to find any literature about removing the rear axle on these shaft driven big reds
Remove the center hoising and split it, the ring gear may be seized to the axle
I like your style you don’t like fords! Hondas made in the 80s was so good way ahead of the game smart man
Thanks Gary
I take a hard line against crap. Lol
Love the videos. Was wondering if you could do one on changing all the bearings and seals in the 200es rear end and pinion gear. Mine filled with water and made a milkshake.
Great suggestion! I have a 84 big red build coming up. Thanks for watching
Well brother. I got the strip that holds the Baring’s in out. Then moved the bbs to one side. Hit them with a screwdriver. Got them all to fall in side. The cover came off shoes and all. The sleeve is still stuck. I looked on partzilla they have the gaskets about $5 each. I’m going to send you a pic in your email it’s bad LOL.
Soak the collar in pb blaster over night. If that dosent free it up you may need to heat it with a torch.
@@mrcbuilds nope soaked it 4 days now. And used map gas. No luck yet.
@@mrcbuilds this one has been setting for 30 plus years. And it was running when parked LOL
@@mrcbuilds can you show how that muffler sounds that is in you description ?? Please and thanks
We call them cotter pins in Australia too.👍
My dad told me they were cotter pins as a child and it stuck with me. Lol
Hey what size is your shop? Building one in the spring and trying to find the right size.
Lol. There never big enough... mine is 31x44
i just did the breaks on my 83 200e and had to replace everything, cables,leavers, shoes.
That's great, these bike seem to be able to run forever with a little maintenance. Lets save them all! Thanks for watching
Great job, i wonder if is close to the same of the trx 250 1985
Yes, My understanding is this is the same driveline in the 1985/1988 Honda TRX250
Great stuff. Just picked up a barn find 1984 ATC 200es and have been binge watching your videos. Keep it up!
Thank you, enjoy that classic. I love the 84!
What’s that seal part number please?
Hey corban, I cant remember right off. Here is the link to the manual. www.oscarmayer.net/atc/manuals/
Should the drum just slide off once you have the cover off I don’t see anything else holding it on but have tried everything and it won’t budge and do you have any tips for removing the whole rear end from the axle
Yes the drum should have slide off, but the brake shoes were holding it on, i had th break one of the shoes to get it off.
@@mrcbuilds my shoes are already out but the drum won’t move I tried pb blaster and a blow torch and it won’t come loose any ideas on how to yank it out
If you have tried all that and nothing worked, I would try a slide hammer@@ashtonhoward2344
Just bought one this weekend same problem locked up rear end it been sitting for at least 7 year the engine was locked to I got it freed up and got it running. now I have to figure that out lol it could all work out
Great! Another one has been saved.
How hard is it to change the hole rear end on 200es I got one that had good barring and breaks and the one on the three wheeler is not
Not hard from the back of the bike remove the right side wheel, hub, axle nuts, brake drum, then slide the axle out the left side.(sprocket side)
I have to swap the rear end out from a parts three wheeler, to my main three wheeler like unbolt hole re end from main and put the parts three wheelers rear end in my main
@@tjcummings8786 yes on an 84 you can remove the whole alluminum housing, disconnect the shaft and brake.
Great job on the video.
First class.
I have an '84 200es. Just revived it after sitting many years. Turned out to be the pulser coil that a Honda dealership told me was good. (Along with a carb clean)
I hate to follow that up with a question, but here's a dumb one;
The air/fuel mixture jet in the carburetor, what does it do, and how much does it effect the running of the engine?
Thank you.
Great question, the fuel mixture screw is on the bottom of the carb close to the intake, yes it is very important, as a rule, turn it clockwise until it bottoms out (careful, just snug, not tight) then turn it counter-clockwise about 1.75 turns to 2.25 turns. this should get you up and running, fine tune it while it is running, I use a very short jewelers Flathead screwdriver(clockwise restricts fuel causing a leaner mixture, counter-clockwise enriches the mixture causing a rich condition. Check your plug, listen to the engine, you want a tan plug (black to rich/white to lean). Turn it inward until the engine bogs, then (counting the turns) turn it out-ward until it bogs again, take the total turns and divide by 2 so if you turned it outward 1.50 turns from the first bog (inward) than the sweet spot would be halfway between the two bogs or .75 of a turn from either bogs.
Thanks for watching and subscribing.
@@mrcbuilds
Thanks for the reply!
I've just finished carbs etc on 4 different wheelers. The air/fuel adjustment has been different on each (number of turns out) so I just adjusted to what it was.
They all run good except for one, but I know they may run better with adjustment. This one, is a Polaris Sportsman 90, my grandson's. It seems to be running lean on the low end. I bought a Chinese carb last year, and the float filled with fuel over the winter. All the gas drained out!
So, I cleaned the original carb.
One reason I may not have messed with it, it's kind of hard to get at, as you've mentioned. But, I need to check them all.
Again, thanks much.
I watch a lot of videos when repairing different things, and you are very good at it. Some people posting videos don't know what they're doing. Lol
More comments than likes... Some of y'all need to get up in there with that like button! Great videos!
I appreciate that!
That’s how you power through an Honda atc repair sometimes it’s a cake walk and other times it’s maddening
Yes, some can do so simple, yet others, you think will never live again. Don't Stop Believing. Thanks for watching
Do you have a video on how to rebuild the whole rear end?
No I dont but thats a good idea, which model did you have in mind?
Exactly why playing in the water is the worst thing you can do to a trike. At least with a quad you can get the parts, once you ruin the zinc coating on your 35 year old ATC goodies, you're all done...
hello im fixing to buy a 1983 honda 200s where can i buy parts from? you got any ideas lol appreciate it brother
I have a lot of parts listed in the description of all my videos, I source parts on Amazon, ebay , websites like www.3wheelerworld.com and on facebook groups like Honda Hoaders
@@mrcbuilds ok thanks a lot brother ill checkem out appreciate it brother
How water tight should the differential and brake drum be?
Should be tight. But given the age of the components, it may be impossible. Unless you replace every seal and gasket. Remember there is a vent line that is extended upwards. From the factory, most bikes it's a reddish hose.
Mrc_builds how tight to you want the castle nuts on the rear axel? My 84BR and 85BR always come a bit loose, if it weren't for the cotter pins they would loosen off. I tightened them pretty tight on 85BR now I hear a cluck sound in the back sometimes. What are you thought's? Thanks for any help, again!
Hey Greg, they need to be tight, then cotter pinned, if there is any slop or looseness they will eat the splines off the axle, so go tight by hand, then tighten a bit more to line up the cotter pin opening.. Thanks for watching
@@mrcbuilds thanks builds!!
15:52 - You need a bigger hammer!!
That brake worked me good. Lol thanks for watching
This is why I'm very selective about what jobs I tackle. Do I really understand how the system works, am I familiar with all the components and in which order they're removed, how many clips and what kind are used? What did somebody's cousin who knows a lot about these wheelers, do to it after an 18 pack with three tools? Thanks
Sometimes, that's part of the fun, the detective work. but yes it can be very frustrating too.
@@mrcbuilds I agree, but I'm jaded from being around machines 6 days a week that have been made worse by their owners. As I help them unload these machines they tell me a different story then the owner at the desk who writes up the work order. Since when do lies help keep the cost of repairs down? When I scale back my work hours, I'll get back to tinkering more and approach it differently but for now I'm taking advantage of an opportunity. Someday I'll get you a picture of my loading dock at home.
i thought mine was in rough condition dayum someone beat the crap outta that thing mine still has all original parts except the front tire (popped during this winter) and the spark advancer springs honestly surprised the brakes still work as good as they do.
You should see the ones in the Boneyard. Thanks for watching.
@@mrcbuilds no problem man always good to watch these videos in case i need to do part changes in the future right now its stalling randomly carb pissing out fuel cause it keeps getting overflowed and for some reason my gas was boiling last night gas tank had air alot of pressure it popped out the dent in the gas tank lmao.
@@justincollette3674 you got the vent on?
@@davesilvia9711 i never thought to check the vent i will go try now
@@davesilvia9711 well the vent was off lmao time to rip it a little bit lets see
Hey I already talked to you about my Honda 1984 200es I need more help. I have replaced my pulse generator. Replaced my cdi. Replaced my coil. I put a new advancer spring on it because it was missing one. I need help
Absolutely no spark
It hit one lick of spark and then none never again
First go to 3wheelerworld.com, download the manual, look in the troubleshooting section.
Go back to the basic. Test light the black/red wire out of the stator down at the recoil. Make sure you have power coming out of the stator. Verify that power goes in the cdi box, then verify the blue/green wires going to the pulse generator run an ohm test on the pickup. Make sure it is in spec. Leave the cover off the pulse generator and spin the engine over slowly, make sure the rotor is spinning with the engine and is not slipping, you may have lost the little pin in the cam. Then check the ground green wire at the coil clean the frame where the green wire bolts to the coil and grounds the frame. Now disconnect both wires to the kill switch, you dont need them, when it starts you can pull the plug wire off the plug with plyers to kill it. That will tell you the kill switch is bad..I hope this helps, it's very hard to troubleshoot without seeing it or being there. Good luck
@@mrcbuilds thank you for the help a lot again I can cross one thing off the list because I replaced advancer slings tonight and that little pin was in there. You have a great day and I can’t thank you enough
@@mrcbuilds listen I did everything I was good I cleaned all my grounds I cleaned all my wires I cleaned everything it ran and started up first pull it was idle if soooo good then I go touch the wires by the recoil to put it back into it’s cash no and boom it shut off. It will not start sparking back wither
Hello!! I’m going through some of your old Vids…I have an 84 Big Red like this with a slightly bent axle. At his point of having the brake housing off, what is left to remove the axle? Do you have an email? Or prefer to chat in the comments? Thanks! 👍 Chris MN.
Download the repair manual at the oscarmayer website the axle slide out the left side of the trike. You half way there if you have the brake side off.
@@mrcbuilds Wow!! The site is SUPER!! Thanks! Looking forward to the next Vid on the 350X!! Chris.
how hard are the parts to get for the 84, bieng it was made only one year with that type of rear?
1984
1984 parts are easy to find, they made 218,000 bikes that 1 year. the largest production model of any. check out this video and I explain and show you some of the different models, also what parts will interchange with your 84
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Where did you buy the seal from? The AB306504? I had to hunt some of them down for my 84 a few months ago and it was next to impossible to find them in stock anywhere. I google searched that part number and it brought up the All Balls website but that part number wasn't listed as compatible with the 200ES. That rear double lip seal with the metal flange was a pain in the rear to find, i ended up paying about $24 for a NOS one from eBay because my diff was leaking and couldn't wait any longer to find one cheaper.
I found it on ebay, it was $21 at the time, item number 333892204777
@@mrcbuilds Same place i bought mine from! Was just curious if there was a cheaper source out there. There is a guy in MN now selling them as pairs for $22, i might order another set and see if the ones he has are any good at this price. It was the hardest part to get on a 200ES for a while, looks like there is a reproduced seal available now, or from another later model, not really sure but they look the same as the OEM Honda seal.
Hope the seller didn't sell you a complete dog.
It all works out, I was happy just to get a good set of fenders.
Do you have parts for sale
I have some what do you need. PM me on FB or insta