LIONEL MESSI or CRISTIANO RONALDO? Gary Lineker, Piers Morgan answer the question on talkSPORT!
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Maldini played in one league his whole life and is still considered the best defender ever. And maldini never won an international trophy.
@artist maldini and beckenabur are both equally GOAT defenders.
beckenabur played in the MLS for a bit. Beckenabur played in bundesliga his whole career then spent a small while in that farmer league MLS. MLS doesent count
Messi or any top player can easily rip it up in the MLS.
The fact is maldini played in one league his whole life and is still considered the best defender ever alongside beckenabur.
The one league argument doesn't work.
He is one of the best not the best ever
@@jominjohn4532in your opinion.
MAJORTY of pros who know more and MAJORITY of people consider him the GOAT defender
Maldini considered as one of the best defenders, we still have Backenbaer, Baresi, Ramos etc. And Maldini is a defender and played in the best league in the world, best strikers in the world, and in Italy too. If Messi played all his career in EPL(best league rn) than people wouldn't question his abilities to perform under pressure and in different circumstances so much. And i think for an attacking player it's way harder to perform the same in different teams than for a defensive one, cuz attacking player have to interact with his teammates more and connection between them players is super important.
Thanks bro
Ronaldo's achievements are amazing and respect for plying your trade at different clubs. Unfortunately you don't make me sit on the edge of my seat Messi does and for that reason Messi all day long.👍🏾
You're very welcome.👍🏾🙏🏾😀👋🏾
Bit of egg on Pier's Morgan's face after that final statement considering todays result. Messi has finally lifted the world cup at 35 and what a tournament he's had!
Still the disrespect on Ronaldo at 38 is baffling.
He's always had egg on his face, his entire career.
More than a bit of egg
@@ragnarlodbrok1233 Ronaldo gets what he deserves, give respect get respect
@@ragnarlodbrok1233 Ronaldo's teams played better when he was benched, Man U and Portugal. He tried to steal a team mate's goal. Typical I'm afraid. Ronaldo is a cheat.
Pierce Morgan talking about Messi only use one foot, but that left foot score 91 goals in one year, and the thing is you can only score with 1 foot at any given time
You said it all ,if you take the goals from Ronaldo he got nothing to show ..Messi is the GOAT by distance
If you take football from world Messi is nothing lol brain bead argument, goal is football
GOAT for Barcelona only not like ronaldo ..pity for u ...
@@hadiothman7273 this did not age well...
@@lokg5794 No, dribbling, passing, playing for the team, vision, creativity, building up the team is football. It's easier to be a finisher, tap ins, etc. than a playmaker. The playmaker is like the conductor of an orchestra, the striker is the first violin. Messi is both. The stat that shows best the value of a player is MOTM. Messi has 372 MOTMs, Nobody else has half of those. Messi is now highest rated player in the world, with the most MOTMs 8. Mbappe for example is rated 11th, (down from 4th) with 2 MOTMs. One of which was dubious.
Messi never won internationally.......
Messi:Hold my copa
Wow what a useless award.
He won an international trophy, which was what you held against him for five years
Bro comparing Copa and Euros is like comparing Champions League and Copa Libertadores
@Just Some Guy without a Mustache and beating Portugal isn't a big achievement, i mean overall American teams don't have a chance against European. Since 2002 american teams managed to get into semi-finals only 3 times. The rest were european's - big difference.
@Just Some Guy without a Mustache Firstly, who said that a better team with better players can't lose to worse team? Haven't you seen games where big clubs lose to small clubs? We see it every week.
Secondly, i don't think Portugal had a better squad than Uruguay in 2018, not talking about Brazil or Argentina. You forgot that that Uruguay team had Cavani, Suarez, Jimenez and Godin - all world-class players and in form. Portugal had only Ronaldo.
Messi has the most individual awards in the history of the game. He is the only player to be in the debate of the best scorer, best dribbler and best play maker. He has won the best player award in every tournament he has ever played both internationally and at club level!
Messi is not the best goalscorer
@jack 27 Messi has won the most European Golden boots (6). He definitely is in the debate
@@jack-ot8eu His goal ratio is higher than Ronaldo's. Ronaldo has two years on him. Messi gives away goal chances.
I love how in the video, most of them were team Messi. And then you go to the comments section, and all Ronaldo fanboys are swarming tryna make an argument for themselves. Lmao
it was literally 50/50 you numpty
Messi all day,ronaldo is an accurate shooter..thats all there is..messi can pass,dribbles,playmaking,and not a bad goal scorer
Ronaldo can’t pass? Most assists in the champions league. Ronaldo can’t dribble? Go look at his dribbling stats in the premier league. Ronaldos changed throughout his career just because he’s not as good as some things commented above now doesn’t mean he’s wasn’t one of the best of in the world at them in his prime.
@@axar8850 funny how the bum hasn't responded to you
@@axar8850 yeah but messi was better at them than everyone on the planet
@@unclebens6031 he’s wasn’t top 3 in passing stats only assists. Key passes , chances created , pass completion many years he wasn’t even top 10
@@jack-ot8eu say what?
If you take cr7s goals away then hes not one of the all time greats
If you take Messi goals away he's still got so much more. And is still one of the all time greats.
Messi is more than just a goalscorer
Messi 354 assists (1st all tome), Ronaldo 273 assists (3rd all time) as of December 2020. Take away Ronaldo's goals and he still gives you something.
Even so, you can't do hypotheticals. He has his goals and so does Messi. Their both great. Only insecure fans will denigrate one in favour of the other.
@@haikuu7059 no but does he have the passing of Messi, messis dribbling, messis vision. Without cr7s goals his abilities are not GOAT level
Without messis goals he still has GOAT level abilities. Messi is more than a goalscorer
@@user-yj5tc9pr7v agreed on Messi. Ronaldo has a very good weak foot, incredible aerial ability and has pretty good passing ability too. He's also been able to adapt his playing style multiple times to great success. Their both very good at different things.
Messi's vision comes out more prominently because of the number 10 position.
@@haikuu7059 in terms of technical ability Messi is best ever
In terms of physicality and athleticism CR7 is best ever
Both are tremendous goalscorers
@@haikuu7059 Messi is FAR superior to Ronaldo. How are they even close?
And Ronaldo has that many assists based on the amount of games he has played, Ronaldo is no longer top 5 in assists.
And Ronaldos assists are not from playmaking, they are rebounds and passing while 2v1 against the keeper, Messi lobs the defence, crosses, thu passes, dribbles and passes.
Messi would be top 5 best ever without his goals and Ronaldo would be nothing.
Proved in different leagues? Bruh he goes to teams that are always winning like Juve, who won 9 in a row and left when it actually became a challenge 💀💀
In la liga we won 2 in 9 years, got outclassed by Messi 🤌🐐
Hahahahahah this aged well. messi’s just joined the avengers over in pairs 💀
@@Mattjonesll well he didnt choose to so
They're such different players tbh, Ronaldo's game is "I'll be in the box give me the ball" whereas as Messi is working the midfield all the way up to scoring goals and creating. I think Ronaldo needs a good team and that is why he went from Man Utd to Real to Juventus (all dominating their leagues when he joined) and yes Messi has definitely had good teams but he makes teams better and I don't think it's Messi's fault when Barca's awful defence let's teams score multiples past them for fun
hmm.. you're right, Messi working in the midfield all the way up to scoring goals and creating nothing! in the last few years, we have seen what a fraud Messi is! He hasn't won shit! 1 ucl in the last 4-5 years! Scoring in Laliga is like where he has played all his life is probably like talking a stroll in the park for him. Every other competition he has been shit. Copa America, World Cups, UCL! #MessiIsAFraud
facebook.com/watch/?v=2314899558557242 go watch!
@@nsh86 right because it's basically Messi alone and because he cant win it alone he is shit, thank you for that deluded point of view, dragged Barcelona and Argentina to places that realistically they never should have been including a world cup final (for which he was named player of the tournament) but if that constitutes shit for you then so be it
@@maxlawton2680 always someone else's fault with Messi fans isn't it
@@nsh86 Ronaldo has won in 5 different teams, Messi has only won in 1 team
I don’t know why all of a sudden piers Morgan is being used as a critique on football .
It’s bad enough that we get his opinion on everything else. I guess that’s the power of social media
Exactly, he just likes Ronaldo more as a person
I think it's cos he interviewed him once and he felt funny in his downstairs region tbh
@@maxlawton2680 that what I was thinking
Is tha the guy who criticized meghan markle cause she dropped him? So pathetic.
Do people forget ronaldo didn’t even play in the final of that euros Portugal won? Shows how good the team was he certainly didn’t carry them at all
He played part of the game and got injured
@@youratoolyabass he played about 10 minutes and people act like he dragged them to the trophy, the team they had played really well with or without ronaldo
@@user-gb7rl4zn1o exactly Ronaldo only scored two knockout goals he wasn't really Portugals best player the team was good unlike Argentina that has not got great attack and awful defense awful goalkeeper and awful management
@@user-gb7rl4zn1o yeah but he got them out of the group stage and destroyed wales by himself
@@stivib5937 he didn’t destroy no one😂 does having a decent game against Wales do it for you lol
I think a lot of people will say Maradona because of his personality. It’s huge where as Messi, he is quiet and humble.
Messi being humble is a PR spin nothing more..
@@mh5616 Damn, he had a PR team his whole life?
Coke helped Maradona.
Ronaldo was useless at Juventus.
@@mh5616 Not true. He IS humble. He leads by selflessness and example. Maradona was a terrible coach, a leadership position if there ever was one.
Messi is by far the greatest player.
By far is hyperbole
@@jack-ot8eu nope. It's factual
@@grinchoi1 you need to go back to school by the looks of it
@@jack-ot8eu nope. Think you're the one that needs reassessment
@@grinchoi1 please remind me the factual part of your comment
Ronaldo supporters argue that he can wins in Man u, R Madrid and Juventus. But these are top clubs. if he goes to a lower level club and win the title for them like what Maradona did for Napoli, then that will be a more legitimate claim that he can win anywhere.
Cr7 has already proved .... Send your sweety messi to real Madrid and tell him to prove there that he is goat
@artist They are not Messi. Simple
@@kalyankarki3443 he would win UCL and league titles at real,tell ur pendu to play at barca he would cry his ass off and run away just like he did at juve
@@marcushalberstram3364 why you fools are crying 😢 the whole world 🌎 knows cr7 is the greatest....
Messi is now World Cup winner 😅😅 Copa America as well 😅
Dibu Martinez needed only 25 games 😅 to reach the same with the national team he also won best keeper award at Copa America and at World Cup
And Finalissima against the European Champion (Italy)
Ronaldo fans disregard every footballing aspect and the only argument they have is “he’s done it in different leagues” “he’s won the euro final” a final in which he didn’t play in mind you lmao what a nonsense argument they know Ronaldo’s footballing ability comes no where near Messi that’s why they never mention his ability as a footballer as an individual player
U have a brain
Facts
They would count assist, but only when it's about cl. Because cr7 has more in that. Earlier used to talk about free kicks, outside box goals.. Now they stopped.
Earlier - but Messi can't win without xavi, iniesta.
Then switched to neymar.
Then switched to can't win CL without them.
Now that he won copa, switched to its easier.
One thing ronaldo did good is playing in different league, and no, he didn't did it to prove himself, he did it just so he can boast something, because he was getting thrashed by messi in la liga. Challenge was available in la liga, win the league 2 times more, win golden boat, player of the year. Show Messi who's the boss of Spain. He didn't. Went to juve, who were winning 7 times straight and said, its a challenge. Scored goals, I admit its incredible. But who doubted that u couldn't? Real challenge was to go united and male them win something, his old loved club. But he went for juve. 😂. Tomorrow Messi can also say I wanted to challenge myself by giving defenders chance every year to stop me. That's a real challenge.
"Hes never done it on the international stage"
Messi: are you a madman?🤡
Winning this 🤡copa doesn't make him any special,there is no RO16,u face Ecuador in quarter finals 🤡 and ghosting in big games
@@rishitchowdhury1358 have you seen how poor your Ronaldo's record against South American teams look? Oh and by the way, he has lost 2-3 against Ecuador 🤡
@@rishitchowdhury1358 yeah ok but he got player of the tournament top scorer and top assists never been done in any international compatetion. Messi may be favourite currently for the ballondor number 7. Ronaldo will never hit 6. Ronaldo is slowly declining Messi continues to defy football logistics. GOAT debate over Ronaldo is class one of the top 3ever but Messi is a level above even the greatest players ever.
@@mattsavage9960 top scorer by statpadding against Bolivia and Ecuador.. Ronaldo top scorer staying in the group of death.. RoNaldo 7 goals against world champions in official games..Messi 0 in official games
If u think ballon d'or makes a player better,then Ronaldo has been nominated 10 times over Messi whereas Messi 6 times over Ronaldo..and by your logic Modric is better than Xavi Iniesta combined..right?
RoNaldo always does it in the big stages,when it matters, unlike messi who gets humiliated every year after Xavi Iniesta Neymar left..he always stays in his comfort zone whereas Ronaldo has showed himself in different leagues and been victorious too
So this clearly ends the debate.. Ronaldo > Messi 💯
@@nhlanhlamnisistudios wtf liar 😂🥵
Who’s back here after Messi won the World Cup 😂
Haha the debate is finally over
If Maldini said he was lucky not to face you, you know who is the best. Even beckanbauer said this. Gracias Leo 🐐🐐. But pls respect Ronaldo too.
Messi has now won an international trophy and he is the all time leading goalscorer not just for Argentina but in South America. To say he hasn't done it at international level is ridiculous.
Messi is the greatest
The way I see it, there are 2 schools of thought among football fans: one that believes football is about magic and one that believes football is about glory. The former tend to have a greater appreciation for Messi and the latter for Ronaldo.
Makes sense
A lot of themessi fans of today are 13-14 year old social media fad boys.. they've no idea how a 19 year teenage winger burst into EPL, grew into a mammoth Attacking Midfielder and matured into a Cold Clinical Striker over the period of 20-21 Years.. One has consistently improved, innovated, honed, maintained and excelled skill after skill and other just born with one skill of close control (not taking away the best ever at close control and small spaces than anyone).. who's the complete package is for every rational person to see
👌🏽
Good point. I'm in it for the beauty and the ecstasy it gives you. some of these mainly goalscorers, they win, but they're boring. Like Mbappe for example.
Piers Morgan is to journalism what colon is to our body 😂
very important you mean to say? 😂
@@scrantonstrangler93 😅
Regardless of who you thinks better or by how much, it should be judged on how they play the game not on what they have achieved. Trophies and achievements come 2nd but if how they play the game should come first.
Messi best footballer ever
CR7 best athlete in football ever
Ffs his recond in the champions league is "no where near Ronaldo"? Hahahahah that's straight up funny, last time I checked Messi had a better goal per game ratio in the CL. Both impeccable players, but don't go joking aroud saying he is "no where near Ronaldo"
Talent is not only stats
I know right, what was he on about, messi is the second best ucl performer of all time
@@c-town4573 if you watch messi moving with the ball you can see he is the best goat
@@moinedee3868 I know he is the best ever in history
@@moinedee3868 yah and if u see ronaldo u will pip messi off and put ronnie as goat
How many years ago is the Craig mitch clip
Does CR7 have Messis passing, Messis assists, Messis visision, Messis dribbling, Messis touch, Messis control, Messis goals per game ratio.
Being GOAT is about more than just GOALS. even though Messi has 91 goals in a year.
Messi the GOAT according to MAJORITY
According to your undeveloped brain that is
Ronaldo, it shouldn't even be a question, the guys on another planet.
Lol are you serious
@@wadiezaidi8139 Yes.
@@dylanlarge11 Loving the ronaldo fanboys 😂
Lmao 🤣🤣🤣
Messi has the most individual awards in the history of the game. He is the only player to be in the debate of the best scorer, best dribbler and best play maker. He has won the best player award in every tournament he has ever played both internationally and at club level!!!
I cannot believe ppl are using Serie A as a challenge, Juventus won 7 straight before Ronaldo arrived. This does not sound like a new challenge to me, you want a challenge, go to Napoli and not a team that has dominated Italy for 7 years.
That last line! Lol
Messi is a barca player... I will leave it at that...
He's the greatest player
@@c-town4573 of Barcelona
🤣our Indian brother should never watch videos like this,you should have stick to ronaldo fanboy page and believe those fake quotes.
Messi took argentina to world cup final. So he has done it outside spanish league, plus hes scored repeatedly against the best english and italian teams in UCL. So you dont think messi can do it against stoke leicster r lol
@@basky1465 nope of all players in history, he already proven it
They’re always going to be equally regarded so there will always be arguments as to who was best. I’m talking about Lineker and Morgan.
@T what! The quality of players are way harder than Maradona's, Maradonas era was just more physical and messi has played in easily the 2nd toughest league in Europe all his life
@T Maradona is your GOAT despite not having brilliant stats himself?
Great logic you 🤡
@Phi Vai he's inconsistent and a Ronaldo hating muppet
@T created chances is a feeble stat u should be looking at xgs rather and in man u ronaldo had more successful takeons and even broke record for most dribbles in a match official one
@@c-town4573 best
Messi best footballer ever
Cr7 best athlete in football ever
Could Messi or Ronaldo score against the Brazilian navy though 😌💡
Lineker = ex footballer Morgan = Arsenal supporter. NO DEBATE!!!!
All Ima say is
better goal score🇦🇷
Better play maker 🇦🇷
Better dribbler🇦🇷
Better passing 🇦🇷
Better freekicks🇦🇷
Better headers🇵🇹
6 ballon d'or> 5 ballon d'or 🇦🇷
6 golden boots> 4 Golden boots 🇦🇷
4 play maker awards> 0 🇦🇷
International Pott 4> 0🇦🇷
More team trophies 🇦🇷
Pretty clear who's the goat :🇦🇷👏
Only in barcelona ...
Cristiano done it in all countries
Juve fans:Don't make me angry he ruined our serie A run
all ronaldo fan boys always hide behind the excuse of Messi never prove it on epl, only 1 club man, only proven on la liga. But there is a genuine fact that Messi offer more than Ronaldo as a footballer, take away Messi goal and he still provide assist, dribble, vision, and free kick. Still the best playmaker in the world and Its proven now
Ma Utd won 8/11 EPL including a TREBLE before he arrived and under one of the best managers around at the time.
Piers’ comments have not aged well. 🙄
6:40 smooth 🤣
Is Gary saying there weren’t as good players in the European Cup 🤔?!
No hes said it's easier score now because back in the day it was actually a contact sport not players diving capable of winning a gold at the Olympics.
@@Pick18 Hmmmm, no he said all the worlds best players played together in the World Cup but now you see that in the champions league.
Some people say that Messi did not achieve trophy for his country except Copa America. Ronaldo won more international trophy than Messi. In terms of value, which one is bigger? Playing final in world cup or wining a Europe tropy? When people compare between Messi and Ronaldo in terms of achieving tropy for national team, it seems that achieving European champion tropy more harder than playing final in world cup. It's very funny. Do do people think that playing final in world cup does not have value if he can't win the world cup?
Who's talking now....Messi made me love football.
I really hate to say it but piers makes a good point..
No the argument is that Messi has always kept in his comfort zone and never branched out of that. You go to a different league like for example the premier league is a different physicality level to the Spanish league and Ronaldo has experienced this not just that though you have to factor in learning the language and change in culture too. I think ronaldo is better because of these factors and he’s done it 4 different leagues. Remember as well messi for a long time has been the man at Barcelona that demands all the respect from the players around him. Ronaldo when he went to United, Real Madrid and juventus he’s had to become the man at all those teams
@@endcreditsuk42 it’s a pretty fucking argument tbh. And here’s why:
Changing teams doesn’t depend on players. It’s part of the business. Money needs to keep on flowing. An average footballer plays for three different clubs given the market practices.
It doesn’t depend on Messi. It doesn’t depend on Ronaldo. It depends on the guys up there doing the business. Florentino Peréz sold Ronaldo. As simple as that.
The statement that if you play in one league your whole career then you're not tested is ridiculous.
Maldini played in one league his whole life and is still the best defender ever. And maldini never won an international trophy.
Wafflers ^^^
@@endcreditsuk42 That’s a horrible argument if u ask me
Both are world class players but its their play making skill that makes one better then other. For me its only Messi
Only in barcelona not other club like ronaldo
Exactly what u said legend remember that word I appreciate what ronaldo did he doesn't want to fail he fight then piers Morgan said cristiano is a brilliant player wow amazing I love that word
Messi is the most complete footballer to ever play the game. Best passer I have ever seen, best dribbler with ease, absolute ease, one of the best goal scorers I have ever seen, and I would argue he is a better scorer than Ronaldo aswell.
Yet needed Iniesta, Xavi or Neymar to win the champions league. Since they left he struggled. Messi is top 5 in history no question but his fans overrate him alot making out he is untouchable which clearly is not the case.
@@AzAkh60 I don't find that a compelling argument. What are you suggesting? That other players single handedly won everything?
The game is played with 11 players, you can't do everything by yourself, yet Messi has done almost everything by himself since Xavi, Iniesta and Neymar left. I would like to ask you whom you think is better than Messi
As if Ronaldo did everything by himself, while at the arguably best Man United had ever been. As if he did everything himself at arguably the best team real had ever had. And I'm not downplaying Ronaldo here, I'm directing your argument.
Messi has been the top scorer and top assister in almost every season in barca. And yes, even when Iniesta and Xavi were present.
And don't forget Juve, as of they were bad before Ronaldo came.
Now again, I would like to know which 4 players are better than Messi.
@@AzAkh60 Didn't Ronaldo ghost in multiple CL finals? Didn't his Portugal team win the Euros final without him? Ronaldo has better abs, that's about it.
@@davejordan9776 Ronaldo has 5 goals in champions league finals you melt.
The Euros he played every game and we can look at other players who got injured and take away their achievements if we want (including your boy Messi)
CR7’s 600th goal was in the UCL Final of 2017😉
Messi has played lees matches than ronaldo
@@ammaryasser7678 but Ronaldo fitness is better than Messi so Messi will retire more soon than him
@@hejeheje8473 Messi is younger
@artist my guy xavi is 41 and ronaldo 36, and messi is like 34 and 1 day old
@@hejeheje8473 Ronaldo isn’t fitter than messi
Yeh but I’m Diego’s times players didn’t have the vitamin products and medical advancements which players benefit today to last longer
Well this aged well
ronaldo has more assit than iniesta and xavi combined
Yeah but 75% of those are a easy side passes assist whereas Messi has 75% of real midfielder type of assist , Suarez has given more assist to Messi than xavi ,iniesta and alves but Suarez assist for Messi are side passes , so just bcuz ones has more assist doesn't mean he is actually a great creator , yeah if you are a guy wonky watches stats then it seems so but if you watch football then you will know CR7 is nowhere near a creative player like xavi a iniesta in terms of play maker.
Assists doens't equal play making, casual smh
2 years on and Ronaldo's goals have been taken away...and with that his starting role in club and country are gone as well..
2 years on and Messi is still here being compared to Pele and Maradona...and Ronaldo isnt even in the convo anymore...
Says alot.
Diego Armando Maradona, 1000.miles then ,Messi , just on pure esthetics Maradona had a almost magic like touch , the back heels , flicks , chips, the emotions , leadership, inspiration, I'm 100% he's number 1 then Messi then Ronaldo Nazario
Messi scored 98 goals for Argentina against Maradona's 34. Maradona did win the world cup at both youth level and senior level. So has Messi but Messi won the Olympics, the finalissima and the Copa America too. Messi has 706 goals against Maradona's 310. Messi has 4 European cups to Maradona's 1 uefa cup and 11 league titles in Europe against Maradona's 2. Messi scored 7 goals when Argentina won the world cup in 2022 against Maradona's 5 in 1986. Lionel Messi is Argentina's greatest ever footballer.
The assists comment is a bit dumb. I don’t think people realise Ronaldo is like the second best assister in history after Messi. Him and Suarez constantly switch for 2nd place in assist all time stats.
Well it's not just about the Numbers it's also about how you gave an assist
Deaddddddddd
Assists doens't equal play making, causal
One is a leader and another is a quite boy. Football is not only about physical abilities but also about mental ability.
He stopped being so quiet years ago but still quality and ability if shown consistently will trump mental
Where it lead him to Drugs, Fights, suspensions....... Messi doesn't talk Great about himself and doesn't response to hate because he knows who he is.......he just want to play Football simple
Go watch the Argentine players on Messi as a leader, a leader isn't someone who shouts and crys on the pitch, he's someone who his teammates would die for
He’s knows the game
Messi is the best ever . MESSI MESSI MESSI . He does things you cant believe some can do. Easily best dribbler ever and he can run faster with the ball yhan most can without.
I don't understand how staying at one club not good? Playing in 3 different leagues but how many champions leagues has he won?? For Juventus or with MU??
Lineker 💯
This aged well.
So can we go back and ask these guys again now that Messi has an international trophy? Some of these arguments against Messi are laughable
This comparisons n is dump. Because Portugal has never gone any further than argentina in the world cup. If so when has Portugal ever played the Final with Ronaldo in the worldcup
Nobody in history will remember the runners rather than winners, second is nothing, you whether win it or become a loser
if Messi had to deal with the brutality that Maradona faced I doubt his peak would have been anywhere near as long,
you can't say that because maradona brought that upon him self with a long history of drug abuse. if Messi done drugs then of course he would not last that long.
@@jamespye2936 yes, but the physical abuse he endured probably led to the drugs
@@openmicsuperstar4633 not at all. The two aren't even related
@@grinchoi1 you don't rate Ronaldo as a top 5 player ever.
Do you have instagram because we can debate this
If maradona had to deal with the science, speed and tactics of modern defending he probably wouldn't be able to cos u have to be fitter with better diets and discipline.
What did penaldo do for international level he ran away the final what is done at madrid 2 title in 10 years
Who is that mug at 3:00
Maradona is hands down better than Messi talent wise its not even that close really. He was doing things Messi was doing but over 20 years earlier. Messi had the longevity but for impact and talent Maradona is alot better especially considering he played in much tougher conditions and harder opposition in the 80s and 90s especially in serie A which was the toughest league prob ever. Also Messi hasn't won 1 major trophy with Argentina whereas Maradona took a mediocre Argentina side to WC glory. Brazilian Ronaldo pre injury was the most talented player I seen def better than Messi and C.Ronaldo talent wise
Lol typical Messi critic argument. Maradona had Batistuta and a lot of other great players around him when he won WC. He didn't "single-handedly" won it with "mediocre team" like some obsessed fanatics believe so.
@@TheJulienne21 well for one Gabriel batistuta didn't play in 86, he played in 94 WC. So what great players are you talking about maradona played with in 86???
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Professional players like linekar who have played with Maradona say Messi is better. But We should agree with you?
91 still stands.. 2022, and will stand atleast 2032... if I'm being modest as messi.
When piers is the biggest ronaldo fan
Then u know ronaldo fans are for the casuals😭😭😭😭
Messi scored some of the best goals by head.
All ronaldo fans used to say “messi hasn’t done it on international stage” 😂😂 turns out ronaldo never done it on greatest stage of all… the World Cup! 🏆😂😂😂
Persons always bring up different leagues and i dont get it, he went to united when they was bossing the premiere league, when to Madrid with the 2nd Galacticos, went to Juventus when they won like 10 leagues in a row like really 🤕
Piers is spot on 👏
@Aden Omar howmany champions league has messi won without xavi an iniesta . How many international trophies ? There is no argument with u
@Aden Omar most champions league goals most champions league assists . Messi is jus a flat track bully . Most quarter final quarter final goals most semi final goals oh yeh messi has the most group stage goals coz that's where the easy teams are the group stages 😂😂
@Aden Omar individual stats? Ronaldo is the leading goalscorer in history thats the most wanted individual record in football oh an hes 6 shy of the most international goals so there's no debate jus argue with yourself
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If CR7 is really Mr champions league and doesn’t need other players , why didn’t he win it against Messi in 09 ? Why didn’t he win a single UCL during his first 5 years at Madrid?
Juve was achieving UCL Finals and Semis without him, now they’re kicked out from RO16 , where that player that (according to yours logic) single handedly wins you a UCL ?
@@evilestmanlp tell messi carry on stat padding against them Spanish farmers . In the champions league an internationals wer there's the most pressure hes behind in assist goals trophies. Says everything u need to know fool
Ronaldo has done nothing in international level, 0 goals in 3 finals and plays teams like Estonia, Latvia, Andorra for Euro and WC qualifiers. Are these ppl that dense?
Piers protecting ronaldo , now he has world cup yet u Disgard it
Who’s a better leader? When Messi loses he quits, how many times has he given up on Argentina? Ronaldo never quits, when he loses he tries harder. I’d personally want Ronaldo to lead my team rather than a fickle, ever quitting Messi. (Don’t get me wrong, Messi is phenomenal, but when it comes to the intangibles it’s Ronaldo all the way).
So you mean Messi quitter. Yeah sure coming back is also known as not giving up.
Ronaldo always move to teams that's dominating already, like juve, Madrid etc and u sit and said he's doing across Europe, Messi stays at bacelona yet he scored against all the big teams across Europe
Ronaldo's Fan kids are still crying. Most of them are teenagers who fell in love with Ronaldo's outfit and hairstyles. All pro players and coaches confirmed that they are not even comparable. Messi is from another Galaxy. But CR7 fan kids can still cry
U cant change this Pierce morgan coz he is Ronaldo fan...messi is now the GOAT above all.
Well that international excuse gone down the shitta
Why?! cause he won a tournament he hasn’t been able to win in 15 years! with only one other good team in the tournament.
It’s a shocking record considering the teammates he’s had over them 15 years.
One interview all it takes to be the fanboy journo.
English Teams were toyed by Messi like little boys especially Man U. If Messi came to Man City they would say it was because of Pep. Ron was hopping in big club s already winning and yet still with those big clubs like Real Madrid and Juventus he was always outshined by Messi
Ronaldo scored to the best goal keepers in the world dribled the best defenders at 37 he still does at tricks in the premier league while Messi at 34 strugglues in a overague league Cr7 its incomparable you can say "if's or but's" but so could Ronaldo, Ronaldinho or Maradona, the factual true its just one, cr7 longevity-quality showen trough 4 different championships it's from another planet and I doubt it will be matched by any other player even at Barcelona at his best Messi sorounded by great playerers driblind and scoring a lots of goals can not be compared by 450 goals at Real Madrid the best club in football history, so when you compare Cr7 with any other player get the facts right and take a nap will be alright
Messi has the world cup and is still playing for PSG while Ronaldo has gone into the desert to play football.
Messi goat
The Portugal squad is much stronger than the Argentina squad for me.
You mean the wolves squad
Messi has always had a better national team than CR7 until maybe the last 2 yrs.
@@Shinobi91 he’s had terrible management in those sides he was in tho no cohesion or tactics at all just top heavy
@@Shinobi91 had better attackers not overall team.
Update: NO COMMENT.... XD Messi G.O.A.T.
Ronaldooooo all day
Who cares if gaynaldo played in 4 countries lol
Not Leo's problem if clubs dont want gaynaldo to stay at their clubs lol
GOAT ronaldo messi isn't close to Ronaldo he is just Barca player he can't perform in other team he proved everywhere🐐
Messi has the most individual awards in the history of the game. He is the only player to be in the debate of the best scorer, best dribbler and best play maker. He has won the best player award in every tournament he has ever played both internationally and at club level!!! I think these points are enough😂
@@SyedSaad016 yes against huseca,eibar Bolivia etc and pissed off in big matches🤣
LoL Ronaldo go to the club that always win. Consider him above messi if he can win it with West Ham.
Leo goat
One of the greatest goal scores off all time 😂😂 he is the greatest because he’s scored the most goals
Goals to game he’s not though?
@@marcusmcg9083 there’s always one clown , all that counts is goals scored
@@niallireland2940 that makes no sense ,
Messi has a greater goals to game ratio than Ronaldo. So you can predict that when he finishes his career he will have more goals than Ronaldo? That’s the point. Until their careers are done you can’t say who the greater scorer is.
@@niallireland2940 by your logic the a player can be the best goalscorer just due to playing more games than the other player. If some player plays double the games than another player and they score more goals that really doesn’t make them a better goal scorer.
@@marcusmcg9083 ye by your logic dan james could be a better striker than Ronaldo if he was able to play every game , so do you think you can assume a player that missed a game would have scored if he played , give your head a shake
What is the furthest Portugal has gone in the world cup competitions! 3rd! Messi, has taken Argentina to the finals twice and won one of them! They burned his jerseys or banners with his face on them for not winning. Both have faced adversity and overcome, but if you are going to judge one against the other, at least use the same metrics.
They both are great, but I think Cr7 is better leader for the team.
He is a better leader but so is jordon Henderson so if thiago Silva so is Gerrard it still don't make them greater than messi
Messi made in barca for laliga
That's why he was player on the 2014 wc, 2015 Copa, 2021 Copa, won 4 UCL 🤡
Messi the best 🇦🇷👌