Who is Azor Ahai?
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- In Game of Thrones / ASOIAF, who is Azor Ahai, the prophesied saviour of the world? Is it Stannis Baratheon? Daenerys Targaryen? Jon Snow? Or someone else?
This video contains major spoilers for Books 1-5.
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3:17 Melisandre says "Only a king's blood can wake the stone dragon" and "Give me [Edric Storm] and I shall wake the stone dragon" in Davos IV, ASOS, not Eddard II, AGOT.
"it would be bad story telling to spend the whole series focusing on danny and jon before going hey this random one is also a savior of the world" yea right..
Lmao
oh god... the comments, thousand of them they're coming back like wights.
@@AltShiftX looks forward your next " Explained " video more than ever.
@@tuna5936 yea - I need this for closure
"Prophecies is like half-trained mules, it looks as though it might be useful but the moment you trust in it, it kicks you in the head" Tyrion Lannister, A Dance with Dragons. Well played GRRM and DnD
We all metaphorically got kicked in the head. MegaOof
“It would be bad storytelling to show all this clues and not have them mean anything”
Lol, after s8e3 this hurts
TOTALLY
thing is, its not, bad story telling would be here is a hero (Jon) here is the prophecy (azor Ahai) oh it happened, what a shock, thats bad storytelling, in the very story the prophecy is in they also warn you not to trust in prophecy. in the first book the prophecy of Rhaego (Dany's son the stallion that will mount the world ) was a thing, but it didn't come true did it?.
its good story telling because you had so many choices about who azor ahai could be, but is it actually clear what he will do? what is lightbringer? (i think lightbringer is Arya btw, Jon gave her her first weapon) the part about plunging a weapon into his lovers heart wasn't about the weapon but about bringing the dawn itself (killing Dany)
@@xiz0808 thing is, the final season was a botched rushjob because the directors wanted to make star wars movies, there's no meaning in the ending
@@Nekrumorfiini1 No, it was a botched rushjob because the books aren't finished and the showrunners had planned for 7 seasons (HBO eventually pressured them to add the 8th) long before they were even offered the opportunity to do Star Wars.
@@dmike3507 that's even worse
"But it would be even worse [...] to build up all this foreshadowing, all these vision and hints, and then throw them away and say they mean nothing."
... guess what?
croatoanist aryas not the princes who was promised! Jon brought the dawn. He brought the Forces together! Arya got the kill but that doesn’t... make her the princess!
Jon still defeated the darkness it just wasn't the darkness we thought he would defeat.
“iT JusT DId noT FeEl RiGHt”
D&D : If you think this has happy ending, you haven’t been paying attention...
@@garamchoo2026 *good ending
Just a reminder to everyone, this video was released 4 years ago. This man did his research.
Emil Sosnin He predicted not only that John was a Targaryen, but also that it would have been told so In the crypts under Winterfell 😳
@@belpozz5153
It's in the books
@@adarsh5647 nah bitch jon's parents are not yet known in the books.
SYKE turns out it's arya hahahaha
@@swaggyt609 it's been like the most famous theory in the fandom for like 15 years
*_When Arya Stark wasn't even a candidate for being Azor Ahai._*
Amazing storytelling HBO, fantastic.
well being an obvious candidate is boring. It would be boring if either jon or dany are azor, it aint surprising at all
Sure, Arya materialzing out of thin air and just stabbing the night king is so much more exciting.
@@tonyg7990 Arya's Arc was to go around and kill everybody that wronged her, but instead she sneak attack kills the Night King because "muh feminism and plot twist!"
It didn't even have to be an Azor Ahai candidate, just someone that was already near Bran that wasn't fucking hiding in the shadows or literally in the crowd of undead enemies (which is the only place Arya could have come from.)
Theon Greyjoy could've killed the Night King and it'd make more sense!
Fuck, if Bran had done some weird esoteric psychic mind battle with the Night King to kill him that would've made more sense.
Just not Arya "Deus Ex Machina" Stark coming out of no where and shanking the Night King.
@@dokidoki777 I aint making a case for arya. Why not Jaime. Or theon. Or some other character from the books. Thats the problem with the show, it split so much from the books, so I dont even take this season seriously, it was too rushed
@@valeriesahe598 I aint makung case for arya, that was shit. But it doesnt have to be jon. If you read the books, jaime is also candidate, with all the prophecies. The whole season was shit, so it dont matter whi killed him, it would still be bad
Hot Pie is the one and only undisputed Azor Ahai.
Me too
+Farhan Brohan
Hodor
LIES! its our lord and saviour, sir pouncealot
probably ser pounce is the prince that was promised imo
Sir, you are wrong. (tri)Pod.rick is Azor Ahai.
Alt Shift X: Years of detailed research and convincing theories.
D and D: I'm about to end this man's whole career
That's the thing, they were just theories and not really in line with the show. More so in line with the books as possibilities. Then again, if a theory is too detailed it is most likely never to come true for fans who hope it might be. I figure by now that people will just give up that the show went a different direction than the books are going a different direction. A no need to compare them anymore. But also that D&D seemed to be real lazy with this season and last (in my opinion) season. They lost their passion and care they once had.
@@marleymarss i agree that the show took a new direction but aren't they wear focusing on dany and jon from the start of the show ? And now they throw all the character development they were trying to build from the start of the show .
@@M7md_n29er Yes, the main story from the show was indeed mostly about Danny and Jon. They were the ones for the most part driving the story forward. But I have to be completely honest, Jon was my least favorite and never understood why so many fans liked him. But hey, that's just me. And yes, all that character development (for 8 years) we have followed these two all these years, feels wasted and all logic out of the window. I can understand Danny's arc from naive young woman to being a villain. It makes sense, but how D&D approached her character journey, the development (transforming) of how she got there, didn't make sense and rushed. Same with Jon's journey as well. I do feel like D&D knew where they were going with the story and knew how they wanted to end the show. It's good to know when show runners know the end to the story and a direction, but even show runners have changed their endings because of the writing process changing and so much more. And based on the writing from S7 and S8, feels like D&D were tired and really wanting to work on different projects. Understandably being a show runner takes a toll on anyone, but there is a thing called passion. D&D didn't seem to feel as passionate than they were in the beginning or excited. Which is why all the characters' endings felt abrupt and many of us are like "What?"
@@marleymarss what you said is all true , jon in the show is completely different after S5 thats maybe why you didnt get into him or to like him . Cuz jon on the novel is a bit different he is like a heroic figure thats why most people love him and lowkey he is azora ahai who will save the world
I still think that a lot of what we see in seasons 7 and 8 is what will happen in the books. I just suspect that it will be built up properly and make coherent sense.
My brain: It’s definitely not Stannis.
My heart: It’s Stannis! One True King!
I know he's not Azor Ahai but what if it's a double switch where Martin goes with the Mannis being Azor Ahai because ironically he's the one we least expect
@@inquisitorbear8312 subverting expectations is a D&D thing, Martin want things to make sense
@@vitordornelles6702 Hot Pie would be the ultimate plottwist
@@vitordornelles6702 there is no chosen one
Stannis/jon/Danny become the chosen one by saving the world, through there own actions they save the world, because they are good people
No magic just people
@@inquisitorbear8312 I think that is exactly what is going to happen. Stannis is in the North, he is aware of the threat and is preparing to fight the Others to save the realm. While Dany has not even heard of them.
Maybe the "beneath a bleeding star" refers to Ser Arthur Dayne dying (hence the bleeding) at the Tower of Joy while Jon was being born. The Dayne family sigil is a falling star.
This could actually be true. Because, prophecies are not literal.
They always have some hidden meaning.
Nice one!!
Also 'Born Amidst Salt and Smoke' could fit in Jon's birth too. Because there were tears as Lyanna was dying giving birth to Jon which symbolizes the salt. And Jon's birth was hidden away inside some tower in Dorne and has been kept secret which may symbolizes the smoke.
@@jmcartoons7281 Also if he's reborn via human sacrifice through burning
also the prince that was prommised shall bring the dawn, witch is the name of dayne's sword. some also sugest that lyanna is a bleeding star cuz she dies on her birthing bed. but some also think that jon is lightbringer that does not nesseseraly mean sword, cuz his mother died on her birthing bed (sacrefice)
"Stannis may be the mannis, but he is not Azor Ahai" 10/10
Kc Pelletier Dany is Azor Ahai!!
Jon Snow or jon because he has stark, targaryn,and possibly "other" blood making him one man with three blood lines.
***** When did he say that, I'm pretty sure the entire fandom would have exploded over this 'fact'
***** When did he say it?
Rhaegar is Azor Ahai. The way that story paints the picture of him, he would have been the greatest king the realm had ever seen. He was kind and learned, but at the same time, he was fiercely strong. But he died before he ever became king, forever a prince. The Prince who was Promised.
And Lightbringer isn't so much a sword but it's still quite the powerful weapon. Lightbringer is Jon. Lightbringer was said to be attempted to be forged twice before it was successfully forged. Just like Rhaenys and Aegon before Jon. Jon was also born of the death of Lyanna, just as Lightbringer was born of the death of Nissa Nissa.
If you think your Thanksgiving dinners are awkward, just remember Jon's grandfather burned his other grandfather alive and his very existence basically ended his family on both sides.
Jon will literally, build the feeling that everything bad that happens in the world is his fault If he's ressurrected and learns the truth about his parentage!
Ouch
"It would be bad storytelling to spend the whole series focusing on Dany and Jon before going "hey, this guy is savior" it would ruin the Song of ice and fire"
Guess what now
And Arya is not even in the list.
I largely agree with you, but do you really think grrm would paint Jon as the chosen one and then actually make him the chosen one? Doesn't seem like his style
@@sukanyaparashar9474 What do you mean "not his style"? He literally talked about this problem in an a couple interviews: czcams.com/video/CKnXmNHubfs/video.html
czcams.com/video/XF1PyB5v9jI/video.html And just because here on this channel it "seems obvious" that Jon or Dany is Azor Ahai doesn't mean the majority of people will or have come to that conclusion. It's easy to talk about how obvious the mystery is when you've had a group of people piece the whole thing together for you in a 16 minute video.
@Ben W if by obvious you mean the child of ice and fire, leader of the watch against the others and matches all the prophecies apart from the one about salt and smoke
@@sukanyaparashar9474At this point in the books, i dont think it is that obvious. If anything, grrm probably was going to make jon azor ahai, but changed his mind because the show made it too obvious.
Alt Shift X: Does years of detailed research and crafts painstakingly deep theories.
HBO & the Double Ds: Lol...JK
Dumb and Dumber
whats double ds?
Wasted Zombie the two guys who make Game of Thrones for HBO both have names starting with D, so sometimes they get referred to as the double Ds
@@prateekkapur3467 the writers of GOT david and dan
Double Ds 😂😂😂
Imagine a decade of theories, picking apart lines and lineages, gathering your evidence meticulously to support your position and then Arya just stabs a guy and destroys the threat entirely.
the show ended shit and the books wont ever come out . asoiaf is torture
Imagine a murder mystery story, give you hundreds of clues, huge amounts of lore and backstory, interesting suspects only to reveal that the murderer was someone that isn't even mentioned throughout the story. He doesn't link to any characters, he isn't related to any clues, he's just a random character that is convicted at the end of the story.
That is how the show felt when it ended.
Do you mean…Pretty Little Liars? Lol
So is Azor ahai prophecy just a joke now? Jon’s arc for the whole series is just over looked because the show runners wanted us to be surprised when Aryas arc had nothing to do with the Night King? Jon and Bran did nothing in that episode and they were the characters who have been at conflict with the Night King for so long and they had very little to do with an episode where they should have been more prominent.
Shellzss I agree 100%.
Its feminist season
@@sishirshrestha1783 good fan service would be good plot. Love Arya but this is bs
@@nedsnow4179 Nah if that was the case Dany would have done it. This was just bad writing
@@nedsnow4179 It's not feminist, it's just awful fan service
Born amidst salt and smoke. Is he a ham? - Renly Baratheon
i paused the video to recite that
The three heads are Moon boy, Patchface, and Hodor.
TadRaunch I wish!
TadRaunch no 3 heads are dany jon and bran
Dzoni01 No they are Ned, Stannis, and Janos Slynt
TadRaunch I thinks it's Hodor, Reek, and Podrick.
TadRaunch Probably Hot Pie
And then the TV show just says f*ck it, let's just have Arya sneak in out of nowhere and stab the Night King. Who cares about all this setup stuff anyways.
jumpyg1258 I wanted to make sure I wasn’t wrong in thinking there is literally no evidence backing up Arya being the one to kill the Night King.
Cucug83 she did and I’m disappointed with that ending
Cucug83 The only thing we get is Bran giving her the dagger in the same spot she kills the Night King
Did literally no one watch the interview with the show creators? The evidence is that George RR Martin TOLD THE CREATORS years ago that Arya would be the one to kill the Night King. They didn't just randomly decide that it was going to be Arya.
ArielLVT This was in his original manuscript of the book, he later changed it
Jon Snow: closest to fitting all the criterias of Azor Ahai.
D&D: yes, but are you being SuBVertEd?
I wouldn't put it past GRRM to make Pod Azor Ahai just for the fuckin sake of it
It's definitely Gendry.
Go Bombers I'd be okay with that. Hashtag where is Gendry?
i hate to be the one to inform you. Theon is Azor Ahai
@Darth Redeye I think it's Theon as well.
Darth Redeye You mean Reek?
Jar Jar Binks is actually Azor Ahai
+Luka Strikić He is the key to all of this
+Luka Strikić he definitely made most of us salty, I'll give you that
oh I knew it
ACTUALLY...
If you consider that D&D have ended the long night in the S8E3, and also stabbed every single fan in the heart with their eye-burning writing, and caused many tears, and went up in smoke among other things... So if you consider they have done it to make STAR WARS MOVIES, and maybe to resurrect JarJar (type of shit they'd do), then...
It all makes sense now!..
Jar Jar is the Night King as well
Since we basically know Jon was born in the Tower of Joy, technically Arthur Dayne could represent the "born beneath a bleeding star" part for Jon as well. His house's sigil and seat both feature/reference stars and he died right outside the Tower.
Was just about to mention this too. In the show you see Ned place Arthur Dayne's sword Dawn at the foot of the bed when Jon is being born. The camera also focuses on it for a second, I think to show its importance. They didn't have to show the camera angle of Ned placing it down, but they did. Dawn is also forged from a fallen star, so a sort of "bleeding star" (since the trail would give the impression of it "bleeding"). You could also have Lyanna bleeding after birth, so a quite literal "bleeding".
"promise me ned... promise me."
Jon Snow is literally The Prince That Was Promised.
Absolutely!!
you will never, ever convince me that Ser Pounce is not Azor Ahai.
Kip Higginson
Who is ser pounce?
the cat of tommen baratheon
《 Sarcastic Potato 》 he also is a dragon in game of bones (disputed)
Stupidity at its finest
johnaway No, the stupidity is believing that prophecy is actually going to matter (other than tricking characters to do things) in a story written by George RR Martin.
Born amidst salt and smoke? Is he a ham?
Luke Clarkson *Laughs at own joke*
Luke Clarkson Who has those line? i think i know it from somewhere but can't remember the specificly who said that.
What season is that?
Ella Setyo Season 2, said by Renly Baratheon..
Luke Clarkson Cooked ham! The flaming sword sears the fat off the meat and there is your sacrifice. But that still doesn't explain the 3 heads. They must all be from the pork lineage so it's most likely ham, bacon and "the other" white meat.
Luke Clarkson Actually I believe you are on to something. Jaime Lannister is reborn after he passes out in the sauna with Brienne (steam representing smoke) and when he "shares the salt" with Roose Bolton, where Roose spares Jaime's life. This scene is in the books and the show, and yes there is a ham in the show. Plus the red star bleeds is not the red comet. That is a comet, not a star. The red star is the sigil of House Martell, and that star bleeding is Oberyn getting killed by the Mountain. Plus darkness gathering is Bran meeting the 3 eyed crow. Yes, Bran is most likely the bad guy (hence why he is always cloaked in darkness in his dreams) and Jaime is the savior of humanity. That's why he's always shining golden.
Anybody else revisiting after the let down of season 8??? 😅
@Matthew Beattie can’t wait for season 2
@@Fmc_Devil me too can’t believe Ned died last episode
- no it was great
@@Enderman121_ Ned DIES???
@@Svalbaz these goddamn spoilers are getting out of hand smh
Anyone else here after S8 E3 - I don’t remember sh$t about Azor Ahai.
Lmao
Lol
Hey
Azor Ahai was the friends we made along the way.
Hi
Three heads of the Dragon are Dany, Jon and Bran.
Dany is Fire, Bran is Ice and Jon is both. They are all also related through Jon.
RatchildUK I agree, definitely Bran
Didn't the old man with the roots tell him the same thing? You will never walk but you will fly!!
Haroon Syed i always assumed that meant he will fly through the crows. but if he can enter hodors mind why not a dragon
+Fred Elliot Or a Hodor dragon!
PapaSmurff660 people love that BFG dont they lol
It's Hot Pie. I know George R.R. Martin he told me.
+Aaron Henshaw Winter'hell' is coming.
+natasha gupta incoming lemon cakes xD
The Pie that was Promised.
Me: Guys who’s Azor Ahai??!?!
D&D: Lol wut dat
lolololol
Maybe they were like daenerys and just "forgot"
Maybe bleeding star is a misinterpretation of “born under a bleeding stark”
Another possible hint for Jon - Lyanna died of childbirth when he was literally born, bleeding to death
In the books aegon targaryen is someone else and jon is just a jon
😂😂
@@leostormdryke9036 no, Aegon in the books is suposedly Aegon Targaryen, a character who is also in the show and the first son of Rhaegar. Maybe Aegon isn´t Jon actual name in the books, but he is for sure the third son of Rhaegar.
@@MarioPerez-cj2sv yes he is a son of rhaegar and his nickname is young griff. He is being raised by maester illyrio with help from varys somehwere in essos
"Heyy, this guy fuckin' Ramsay Snow is savior of the world" Alt Shift X
That was perfect lol
I think you mean Ramsay Bolton, He isn't a bastard anymore
Once a bastard always a bastard
I'd argue that Jon does have a sword, as lightbringer may have been a valyrian steel sword and Jon has Longclaw, which he has already killed others with.
He also had to sacrifice his love, Ygritte, so he has that too.
The only thing he's really missing is the dragon, but as the guy said, the dragon is a bit iffy. It's a connection, not a known sign.
***** a dragon is a sigil to targaryens :D
That's what I was thinking and the sword was lost until that fire and then rebuilt with the wolf head. Born of fire?
***** He didn't willingly sacrifice Ygritte like Azor Ahai tempered his sword with his wife, she was killed by someone else and Jon was powerless to stop it.
However if the show is going to have the same endgame as the books, Jon is guaranteed to have a big role to play. Melisandre meeting Thoros, learning about bringing people back, and showing up just in time for Jon to die? So much coincidence it's almost a spoiler.
I also saw the video about Jorah being Azor Ahai, that would be one hell of a twist.
He's already dead.
Benjamin Norton He could come back by warging into ghost or melisandre could bring him back. She met thoros, so she knows it's possible, and she'd have a lot of power after the certain someone who was burnt
He’s almost definitely not Azor Ahai, but damn it, Stannis is the most badass out of all of them.
jon and dany are more badass lol
@@minahm7150 not a chance lmao, who are you kidding
@swordshield5592 chance lmao?? go read books and get educated on their perspective arcs and lets see a random man who was misguided by melisandre who also mistook him as azhor ahai makes sense anymore now 😭 jon and dany have every necessary trait and equipment to finish the long night...off. hence = azhor ahai
@@minahm7150 we are on about badassery lmao, which you clearly don't understand the definition of
crushing a force 100 times your size? badass
being the only one to still protect the realm amidst a civil war? badass
holding out against the fucking reach for a year? badass
being the greatest commander in westeros? badass
burning traitors? badass
offering to return the north to it's rightful owners after mounting rooses head on a pike? badass
Stannis does not bend, he fights for what things should be whether he likes it or not.
Now bend the knee traitor, or be destroyed.
@@minahm7150 dont care, THE ONE TRUE KING
To support the Jon theory, when he was born in tower of joy, both arthur (from STARfall) and his sword down (made from a falling star) were covered in blood. Could be the bleeding star.
yes but theres no smoke .
@Mahad Bahad you could probably relate that to the war that was happening, the whole war took place because of Jon's secret birth. City's burned. Kings landing being one of them.
If Azor Ahai is no one, then Arya is Azor Ahai. Targaryen confirmed!
Martigan Wright bullshyte
@@Shiv-dw9pc Laughed so hard reading that XD
@@Shiv-dw9pc I'm laughing so hard reading this.
😭
@@Shiv-dw9pc who is D&D
Gendry is the prince who was promised
He is a rowing champion
Couldn't we argue that Jon dying is the sacrifice in his own prophecy? King's blood!
He died because he let the Wildlings through the Wall. In a way he did sacrifice himself.
Jon's whole story arc could have been replaced by a fax machine that sent out invites to all the major characters at this rate
Jon whole arc was nothing more than shameless pandering towards his fans based in nothing more than a bullshit FAN THEORY in the internet, betraying everything that the character stand for in the books.
Azor Ahai rhymes with hot pie.... Good enough for me.
12:34 Jon having no sacrifice, really? I mean, doesn't Ygritte count for a loved one the way Drogo did for Dani? and maybe Ygritte was pregnant with their still born child? That's not to far out the question for me. I mean, for my part, the Sacrifice part is definitely there with Jon
Tyrion being born killed his mother and as of tonight "longclaw" can kill a white walker.
***** The sacrifice could also be himself. Right?
._.
Please don't murder me, I haven't read the books.
Booker DeWitt I don't think it works that way. AA had to kill Nissa Nissa, so I'm sure it has to be another person, possibly a loved one in the sense of wife/husband. Kairasu I don't think Tyrion's mother could count for that. Shae could however. But, and that's my personal opinion, Tyrion really won't be Azor Ahai. He just has too few of the signs imo
I think mellsandre got the whole sacrifice wrong it's not quantity it's if you truly love someone and it's a true sacrifice.
Jon just sacrificed himself for the greater good I believe that counts.
I guess now Azor Ahai is Arya Stark, please George finish the books, we can't be left with this shitty ending
I feel like you can argue that Dany is more a really convincing red herring for Jon, though. Jon, on his own, is the song of ice and fire, due to his parentage. He's also actually spent the entire series in the right locale, presuming that Azor Ahai is meant to battle the Others. It would feel a little cheap to me if Dany swooped in to be the saviour, personally.
i agree jon himself is a stark and targaryan. i think he'll be resurrected fall in love with dany cause they're both targs an targs like incest an then her death could forge lightbringer
Jon is the red herring here, not Dany. A Game of Thrones starts with The Others and ends with Azor Ahai, Dany and the dragons are the fire that will destroy the ice. She completes the entire Azor Ahai/Lightbringer ritual in the first book before the prophecy is even introduced in A Clash of Kings, which is classic George to give us the answer before asking the question. She is the first and only POV character to witness the comet in the first book, she places Drogon's egg under Drogo's left arm to be nearest to his heart so she pulls Lightbringer from her lovers heart just as Azor Ahai did to Nissa Nissa, she walks into the flames herself and is reborn amidst salt and smoke, she wakes dragons from stone, and her chapters are the only ones to mention "the song of ice and fire". Xaro calls the dragons "a flaming sword above the world" and they are described as "fire made flesh and warm to the touch" just as Lightbringer was a flaming sword that was warm as Nissa Nisaa had been warm. Nissa Nissa’s dying screams as Lightbringer was forged left a crack across the moon, this calls back to Doreah's story of the sun (Drogo) wandering too close to the moon (Dany) and it cracking bringing forth dragons. There's also Dany's "slayer of lies" prophecy where she sees "glowing like sunset, a red sword was raised in the hand of a blue eyed King who cast no shadow". The vision acknowledges Stannis as a king so the only lie left to slay about him is his claim to Azor Ahai. The sword is described as glowing vs burning. When Jon is fighting at the wall he wishes for "a dragon or three", I think his purpose is to forewarn and assist in the Battle for the Dawn vs being the main hero. His entire story is built around him embracing the Stark identity he so craves and he's heavily tied with the magic of the Old Gods rather than the magic of R'hollor. I think he's a head of the dragon but not Azor Ahai. He's the result of Rhaegar doing the one thing you're not supposed to do with prophecy; guess it/induce it unnaturally. Dany, as of the end of the books, still has no idea who Azor Ahai is but she is a perfect subversion of the prophecy.
@@princessshei9171 nah dany has more chance to destroy westeros than save it
@@Maxyash Nothing in the books points to this, we have her inner thoughts and they are far from evil or mad.
Dany is Azor Ahai
Could be Azor AND Ahai, one man and one woman, who will have the prince that was promised.
Personally, I hope for Jon.
yoooooooooooo Im taking a picture of this and save it till when they reveal that the prophecy called for two people
Well the problem is that we have no literal translation I guess - Azor Ahai could just be two names which became the center of the prophesy for all we know.
i was thinking the same if azor ahai is 2 person it's could be azor=Jon and Ahai daenerys
nah its gotta be khal drogo my man.. would be SO epic
The Prince and the Promised
2Prince2Promised
Did anyone else notice, in the season 6 finale, Ned brought "Dawn" into the room to find his sister, and Dawn is a sword that just killed someone and is made out of a fallen star.
What?
Now we know Jon Snow is azor ahai
Azor ahai meant nothing to the tv series sadly.
HBO should refund this man
Maybe Azor Ahai was the friends we made along the way!
If Ramsey is Azor Ahai then God help us all
Well, there is still team White Walkers...
+TheMightyKinkle If he is I quite the the book the series and RR Martin forever...
Fuck no nothing would be worse than that.
That would literally be like Hitler actually being the second coming of christ.
I remember reading a comic about that once.
hes dead now thank GOD. or, i guess, r'hollor.
My theory is: either Jon is Azor Ahai, or he AND Dany are Azor Ahai. Or maybe Azor Ahai isn't even born yet, he could be the miracle child of Jon and Dany (if she can get pregnan again someday) I would love it more if Jon was Azor Ahai, but we'll see.
Tatiana Galvao I think Jon alone is Azor Ahai. If L+R=J is true. Their union itself and the birth of Jon was the song of ice and fire. GRRM also created this story after the War of Roses. The War of the Roses ended with Henry VII. Henry VII's coat of arms has a red dragon on the left and a white canine on the right.
***** I want Jon to be Azor Ahai, but I don't have my hopes up with George, maybe with Dan and D.B. it can happen, now that they are doing things different from the book. I do trully believe in L+R=J, and also, J=AA. I think him being reborn from ashes and becoming this badass legendary hero, will be the most awesome thing ever. God knows they fucked with the scene where he becomes LC.
Tatiana Galvao did they fuck up the scene when he becomes lord commander you reckon? is it much different in the books
mittens the house cat I prefer it in the books. I don't know man, it's more exciting.
Tatiana Galvao ah okay well i plan to read the books when this season ends hope your right :)
I have always interpreted "the dragon has three heads" to mean three Targaryens, Dany, Jon, and either Stannis or Aegon
14:46
Yeah, it would be bad storytelling, but that's what we got in the end.
Smh
Jon = Azor
Daenarys = Ahai
I thought the same.
Sander That is actually unbelievable genuis!
agreed the real question is, since a dragon needs three heads, who is the third? I put my money on either that targarion kid or tyrion.
schnefferpepper It's Tyrion as his father is actually King Aerys II, the Mad King, who slept with Tywin's wife.
Shyhoulud That could explain why Tyrion has Dwarfism as the Targaryans are all inbred and what not, and a "targaryan child is a gamble" and Jaime and Cersei might be as well for all we know - that's why they have an incest relationship - the lannister kids have bad genes.
Podrick is the Azor Ahai of the cathouse, if you know what i mean...
Oh i see what you mean...
magic cock
Knowing what I know now...I'm just going to keep watching these videos and dream of good writing...
it all ends with lazy screenwriting. azor ahai and prophecy - forget about that. white walkers? just a side plot.
That is, what pisses me of the most. Not that Arya did it, but how! And how fast. As if the NK and everything means nothing. Even though the book and the series start with the white walkers and the undead.
The books are not going to end with the White Walkers either. GRR Martin has already stated this.
@@filipferencak2717 theyre sure as hell not gonna end with arya stabby stabb stabb and with Cersei as the main villain lmfao youre delusional
@@RedOli84 Did I ever say that they were?
your videos are all very thorough, easy to understand, humorous and enjoyable.
The best part: your discussion is based on fact rather than opinion.
It's like an essay in video form.
Anyhow, pls can you do a video on Benjan Stark?
He just vanishes, so early on... and he would have been so useful to his relatives, especially Jon.
I'd love to know your thoughts on the subject.
Is there any weight to the theory that he is Daario Naharis?
Cheers man! Yeah I'd like to do a Benjen video some time. (Though I very much doubt that he's Daario)
I personally think that Benjan Stark was told by Ned that R+L=J because I feel like Ned cares enough about Jon to tell him about his parentage. However I think he told Benjan not to tell Jon until after he took his vows in order to protect Jon from Robert Baratheon. Also Benjan goes missing before Jon takes his vows so it could be used as an argument for Jon to claim the throne
isnt benjan supposed to be cold hands?
+necroryda nah. Martin has explained that he's not the same character.
Benjen is back! Everyone will know Jon is a targaery then the north will not join forces with but with sansa!
16 minute video + the best topic ever. 10/10 without even watching it. keep it up!
farcastk0 Haha cheers
Jon was born "Under a bleeding star." Kingsguard member and sword of the morning whose house sigal is literally a falling star with a sword made out of the stone. I also believe this is the sword of Azor Ahai. It just needs a sacrifice to awaken.
I just realized now how the reveal of Jon as Azor Ahai could have been during a battle vs. the Night King or his White Walkers, Longclaw was thrown to a Dragon's mouth and due to the pain the dragon breathes fire to the sword and Jon would have to remove it from its mouth-- A burning Valerian sword unsheathed by a Targaryen Stark from the fire.
Jon was his own sacrifice... :)
***** Maybe. Or Shireen. Because, well at least on the show, all her sacrifice did was melt the snow. Didn't bring victory. Seems like a sacrifice that insane should bring more than melting snow. lol
***** I thought it was meant to "guarantee Stannis' victory"... If Stannis sacrificed Shireen for the sole purpose of melting the snow, the red god got a hell of a bargain. lol
***** Well of course. I'm just saying, I got the impression that they weren't simply doing it to melt the snow, but to guarantee his victory. Just as Melisandre "guaranteed" his victory at Blackwater. I don't know if Stannis would have sacrificed Shireen simply to melt the snow and have a _chance_ at victory. Because you have to remember, it's not like it's giving Stannis and advantage while the Boltons remain disadvantaged. The Boltons reap the rewards of the sacrifice also. Now, when fighting against white walkers on the other hand, sure, snow melting and a heat wave would seem to definitely be an advantage to the humans, while being a disadvantage to the white walkers.
***** Though, in these times, I don't think it would be considered that Stannis had an heir. Well, in the traditional sense, to carry on the Baratheon name. Because when a woman gets married (not always during modern times, I don't know if it's common or even allowed in mideval/fantasy game of thrones times) she takes the last name of the groom and is no longer carries her last name. So she wouldn't be Shireen Baratheon, she would be, let's say, Shireen Stark. So Stannis' name doesn't carry on. Either way, sacrificing any children, whether they have the means to carry on the family legacy or not seems, a bit much.
+MikePlaysIt If you think in that, Shireen sacrifices to melt the snow. Melt the last name of Jon to convert him in a... Starkaryen?
I'm stoned as fuck and you just made my day.
Me too :)
Me three! Tho Preston Jacobs videos get me more giddy!
needs more cowbell
I'm smashed out my head and this comment made my day haha
D&D kind forgot about Azor Ahai.
Turns out it didn’t matter at all
My favorite uh "theory" (I guess? maybe more like fanfic) is that A Dream of Spring will be all about The Others overrunning the world as neither Dany nor Jon turn out to be Azor Ahai, with the penultimate chapter being the Iron Throne being covered in snow. Then, the last chapter is titled "The Prince that was Promised" and will be from Rhaegar's PoV as he rides off to the battle of the trident to be killed by Robert Baratheon (implying that his death then doomed the rest of the world to eternal winter).
I think someone even wrote a little fanfiction of that but I can't find it at all.
I like this kind of speculation
That would be an interesting way to go about it. It's something that GRRM would do as well as that some authors have done before. Stephen King did something very similar in his Dark Tower series and so did, to a lesser extent, the Cirque du Freak series. However, for a series like Song of Ice and Fire, I wouldn't particularly want that kind of "go fuck yourself" ending. I would prefer something more akin to the ending of Wheel of Time series if anything, another epic series that had weird things happening throughout.
Yeah that's really more the sort of ending you give a short story or maybe a single novel. For something that's gone on as long as ASoIaF, it would be great to have an actual ending instead. I just liked how it sounded.
I agree. It sounds amazing in a literary sense, but people would riot
LB
Actually, I could see Gurm doing that ending if he knew he was dying or something just to troll everyone one last time.
"No one is probably the third Azor Ahai". Well, Arya Stark is "No One"! (I have absolutely nothing to base that theory on, but I'm kinda liking it.)
Proud Zionist that just summed up most got fan theories
Preach Hagen, preach.
All of my best theories are based on nothing.
Arya Stark is not no one. She failed to become a faceless man, and even said she was Arya Stark.
@@rayhoodoo847 She did not fail to become a faceless man. She chose not to.
I personally find the theory that Rhaegar is Azor Ahai and Jon is his sword, the lightbringer, to be far more interesting. That his whole reason for starting the war by running off with Lyanna was to fulfill the prophecy and possibly visions he was having. Knowingly condemning thousands to their deaths all to bring about the man that would save the world.
Daenerys fits a lot more of the criteria, but I don't see her path following that of a savior and hero, but more of a mad tyrant like her father. Of course the show portrays this awfully and nonsensically, but Martin has said that D&D were aware of the true ending. I don't think they displayed it even close to properly and most likely changed a lot about it to fit it into a couple episodes, but Daenerys going mad in the end is probably true. Especially when considering how much more brutal and cutthroat she is becoming during her rule.
Regardless I just hope that Martin finishes ASOIAF before he dies.
Lyanna died after giving birth. The lightbringer killed her
and Rhaegar has two other siblings.
Well Missandei did said (when Jon came to Dragonstone) : "Prince" in the prophecy can also be identified as prince/princess
Your videos are excellent, my money is on Jon Snow :)
I bet we'll find out that Jon Snow has diphallus … which would explain the 3 heads.
CivilizationEx Tyrion killed the woman he was birthed to... Food for thought.
UniversalPotentate Oh my god xD
CivilizationEx my money is on Jorah Mormont, and that he has to kill his beloved - Dany - to receive his flaming sword.
***** neither CivilizationEx nor Alt Shift X made a vid about the possibility of Jorah being AA. its pretty lame from the both of them. so i just leave this one here...
www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/1xk337/spoilers_all_so_about_that_guy_who_captured_a_lion
Danny fits it to much, as GRRM said, not to easy or literally, my bet's Jon
+Reve Inaz john is too literal too
+Tanya Richards true, maybe both are Azor Ahai? That would be cool
+Reve Inaz most popular theory but u think it's Joarah see film theory
The more I think about this prophecy the more I believe it is not one single person. Why does it have to be Jon or Dany or Bran. If you look at LOTR yes Frodo was the chosen one to carry the ring but he wouldn't have succeeded without the help of his friends.
Dany and her dragons are going to help burn those wights but she is not going to win the final battle without Jon's help who is going to rally the ground forces and Bran too with his immense magical powers will play a huge part. A thought for Hodor he held the fucking door he too was a chosen one, sacrificing his life and sanity for Bran he is just as special as any of them.
It is never one person who saves the world ultimately, Bran will be leading the magical forces, Dany the aerial forces with her dragons, and Jon the ground forces with his Valyrian sword and Jon might as well be the last one standing fighting the last WW but it will be a combination effort by everyone.
And Sam with his Valerian sword.
dany was born in dragonstone. An island hence the salt and there is a active volcano, dragonmont, hence the smoke. She had "stone" dragon eggs that came to life in drogo's funeral pyre under the bleeding star which is kind of a rebirth.
You got Stannis, Daenerys and Jon who could all be the Prince who was promised.
Maybe they are the three heads of the dragon who are all Azor Ahai together.
The best comment I’ve seen, I agree
stannis cant even climb a dragon loool he would lowkey die in books
The third head can also be Bran or fAegon!
Tyrion just freed the Dragons from their bunker (out of stone). He has a lot of salt and I don't have to tell you about his flaming sword (probably syphilis).
Alt Shift X and Preston Jacobs are clearly Azor Ahai, they are the sword in the darkness between ASOIF book releases and the GOT seasons. Who else is protecting the Realm in these dark days?
Preston Jacobs produces completely unfounded conspiracy trash, illustrated perfectly by his advocating of R+L=D and B+A=J, jointly the most convoluted and ridiculous idea surrounding Jon and Dany imaginable.
Michael Henman I like to hear every theory, and Preston Jacobs presents in a really good way. There is room for all theories until WoW comes out (eventually)
While I'm also open to all possible theories, some of Preston Jacobs's theory videos seem really speculative and overly complex. Some of the theories he presents as plausible are in the end supported by only a few open-to-interpretation details.
Matthew Williams I would love if Quentyn being alive and maybe one of the heads (Dragon Riders)
It is amazing that this beautiful and intriguing video is essentially useless now.
Ok, so I know George R Martin is likely to never finish the books... but I did think the show would pay attention to the detail of the stories already laid down.
To me, Ayra just doesn’t match all of this detailed backstory. It was a great moment when she killed the Night King...but I just found myself saying ‘what?? Ayra?’
the show writers did say they have known about the ayra reveal for three years, meaning GRRM told them, so they do honor the story as it has been layed out. maybe some explanation will follow in the coming episodes about the prophecy stuff
More it doesn't match your stupid power fantasy that you made of Jon Snow that was all based in a bullshit FAN THEORY in the internet.
@@minellahaas6209 No that is they always to go cover story. Why resurrect Jon Snow even that was filled of plot holes and out of character moments? BECAUSE GEORGE TELL US TO. When in reality was more about ratings and money, and the old George isn't without blame either, because he promoted this bullshit for years because ratings also.
Keyser94 you seem a bit angry about it all. Calm down.
This was fucking awesome. I love that you manage do a whole research essay in a nice, succinct video. It breaks down the evidence for the several theories nicely and re summarizes well at the end. I love your theory videos and I'm glad you make them!
I'd come to this conclusion to and wonder if somehow Jon and Dany ever meet to save the world together or whether they save their respective worlds from where they are?
Anyway, thank you for all your hard work. Keep it coming. I love everything!
Much love from Hawaii,
Mae
***** Thanks Mae!
The Dragons are Azor Ahai. three heads of the dragons waking from stone under a bleeding red comet, amidst salt and smoke with a flaming sword (dragon fire) that brings light. they are prince/princesses being the children of a queen. and maester aemon said that dragons have no gender which explains the whole prince/princess confusion.and they are the "stallions that mount the world" since daenerys has almost exclusively conquered everyone using her dragons as predicted by the dosh khaleen. and being daenerys' "children" means that the ghost of high heart was right to predict rhaella and aerys grandchildren to be the prince that was promised. they LITERALLY have dragon blood because theyre dragons. they fit literally every criteria for being AA. my guess is that dany will be nissa nissa and will somehow die to save them.
Ooooo that's really interesting, bravo. I'm too uninformed to comment on it (so far I've just seen the show and a bunch of CZcams videos both official GoT HBO ones and this type, so I still need to read the books) except that it sounds like it fits very well.
Another point to this is that G.R.R.Martin has said that the ending will be bittersweet, perhaps the dragons will end the long night and slay the white walkers, but leave the land burning in their wake. The seven kingdoms are destroyed and the noble houses ruined, and as the dawn rises the survivors look to see the end of the song, with the ice melting and the fire going out leaving only ash.
thats another thing if you believe in the maester conspiracy. this could be what theyre trying to prevent by killing the dragons as is suggested by the grand maester conspiracy
+Ani0227 I haven't heard about the grand maester conspiracy, I'll need to look into it
It's the hound..3heads are..burnt ,unburnt side and masked face
The foreshadowing in this series is elite. Crazy how for every prophecy it feels like there can be 3, 5, 10 different outcomes for how it'll play out
What about NEAR a bleeding star? In the television show Jon/Aegon was born less than 20 ft from Ser Arthur Dayne who was from Starfall and Dawn was made of the metal from a meteor that hit the ground
Seven people will save the world - Jon (Warrior), Daenerys (Mother), Tyrion (Father), Bran (Smith), Arya (Stranger), Sansa (Maiden) and Melisandre (Crone) They are the Light of the Seven, and the Light of the World. They are Azor Ahai, all.
+Messylin Wow,that's interesting! :-)
+Messylin going off on a tangent here but what if the seven were all starks, ned(father), lyanna(mother),arya, bran(crone) ,robb(smith, he crafted(started) the rebellion which in his will he gives to jon to carry on(his labor)), , sansa and jon, the seven are different aspects of the same god, the starks different aspects of the same house, all of whom will contribute to the saving of the world if jon snow is resurrected.The last book was supposed to be called a time of wolves.
This is my favourite alternate theory so far. Basically, I feel like GRRM introduced these religions for a reason. Thus far we have seen the Red God's power in action, and the Faith of the Seven has been relatively useless, divisive, and uninvolved with the events of the book and show. I think it is a great twist that the faith of the seven, would literally mean the world's faith in it's seven living saviors. From a religious perspective, this not only justifies the creation of these religions, but wow, what a cool twist.
Good call Messylin.
Maybe he introduced the religion to show us how bullshit and irrelevant it is, as is in the real world, and in the story, it never had any relevance other than showing us how retarded tommen was for believing it.
Cervix Crusader but milesandres god is real....we saw him bring back the dea(jon, and beric) we saw the shadow born by milesandre. Hes very real...
Azor Ahai is Ser Pounce! He is the prince that was promised! The Last Hero! He will save us all.
we need a remake of this video
Yeah agreed
@@AltShiftX since ur already here: Your by far the best GoT/BoIaF Creator. Really appreciate what ur doing on CZcams
4:16 This metaphors are mindblowingly well written.
Ok, Jon Snow is Azor Ahai upvote here.
Karl Hans Daenerys Targaryen is Azor Ahai upvote here.
Karl Hans It really makes sense if both of them are, "a song of ice and fire" convinced me.
Karl Hans you both are wrong Jorah mormont is the prince that was promised, he is azor ahai
Logan Calkins Jorah does not make sense, read the books dude. Azor hai is someting to be reborn , and jorah is not dead to be reborn .....
djj 125 the hero must have a hero's blade ... like none that had ever been ... plunged into water ... captured a lion ... he knew what he must do ... know that I love you best of all that is in this world ... he thrust the smoking sword through her living heart ... her blood and her soul and her strength and her courage all went into the steel ...
What's the fastest route from Slaver's Bay to Westeros?
The Smoking Sea.
What's in the Smoking Sea?
Smoke and salt, of course.
What else is in the Smoking Sea?
Brightroar, a super badass Valyrian sword that was plunged into the water.
Why hasn't it been recovered?
Most sailors fear the Smoking Sea and avoid it.
Who are the bravest sailors in the world?
The Ironborn.
Where are they?
On their way to pick up Dany and take her back to Westeros.
Would Victarion want to prove that he's Euron's equal by sailing the Smoking Sea?
You bet.
Will Dany be keen to take a shortcut to get there faster when she hears that a fake Targaryen is stealing her birthright?
Absolutely.
Who did Dany promise to give a super badass Valyrian sword to as soon as she has one?
Jorah.
Who captured a lion?
Jorah.
Who loves a woman more deeply and passionately than anyone else in the series?
Jorah.
Who's going mad and may have to be killed by someone in her inner circle?
Daenerys.
What character could be killed to give a sword maximum power against the Others?
Daenerys.
What's the worst thing GRRM could do to Jorah?
Make him kill Daenerys.
What is now branded into Jorah's face?
A demon mask.
Brightroar is done being tempered in the water.
It will be pulled from the smoke and salt and presented to Demon Jorah.
He will kill Daenerys in the most powerful act of blood magic possible.
When he removes the sword, it will be covered in fire and blood.
He will take the black, as was his father's dying wish.
He will be the 1000th Lord Commander.
He will drive back the darkness.
Demon Jorah is Azor Ahai reborn.
Azor Ahai is Drogon. Born under a comet, from a burning pile of salt and smoke. He woke from a stone egg. He's part of the three heads of the dragon. Born from targaryen blood. (Dany,s kid was a price paid for their life) lightbringer is just drogon breathing fire.
My problem with Danny being Azor Ahai is the so far her story has had nothing to do with the Others outside of 1 maybe 2 visions whereas Jon is uniting the free folk and Jon against the others recognizing their threat
Jon is uniting the free folk and nights watch, sorry I put Jon
has nothing to do? dude she constantly dreams about fighting and burning an army armored of ice. her visions on the house of the undying its quite revealing that she is meant to fight the others
(plus, she was reborn through fire with 3 dragons, who are the lightbringer)
Can't wait to see if your theories are true or not, when the books come out
*IF* the books come out…
@@dw1419 dream of spring is definitely not coming out. Winds of winter, there may be some hope. Ha. I’ve come to accept it although it makes me sad. Someone is doing fan fiction for winds of winter and it’s surprisingly good. Writing detail isn’t as good as GRMM but it’s still much better than fan fiction hasn’t any right to be.
@@EJD339 Where can I find it?
MORE CONTENT PLEASE
Cason Huffman More coming.
Alt Shift X Love it.
Content is coming.
Alt Shift XI just subbed, your channel is pretty god damn awesome.
Alt Shift X I wouldn't disgard Aegon VI. Targaryen completely, he is a very new player in the books and hasn't appeared in the TV series till now, I hope he will. If he really is the one who claimed to be, he fits also lot of parts! A comet (red star) was also seen during his birth in King's Landing, close to the ocean means close to salt, and I'm pretty sure there was smoke somewhere. He has also the blood of Aerys and Rhaelle in his veins through his father Rhaegar and his sword could be BLACKFYRE, the blade of Aegon I. This weapon passed later to the legitimized bastard of Aegon IV who founded House Blackfyre, but it was taken by Bittersteel to Essos where he founded the Golden Company, and they are now on Aegons VI. side, so he could wield Blackfyre. The other parts, let's see! Perhaps he will marry and sacrifice his love and there are still dragons in Meereen, and he could get his hands on them
Azor Ahai is George rr martin
+The Real Deal well he's good at killing anyways, undead shouldn't be a big of a nuisance
Show runners just shat on everything GRR Martin had written in his books...
i'd love to see an update on this!
This is awesome!!! Informative, creative and very entertaining. The quotes and the animations are fabulous. LOL She's "kind of a big deal"...perfect!!! Thank you for this :D
***** Thanks! I try to keep the vids fun as well as thorough.
Alt Shift X good job
Is there an explanation WHY Melisandre so desperatly tries to influence Stannis, make him Azor Ahai etc.? I mean, where did she come from? Why did she choose him? It can't be that easy. But i'm not finished with the books yet, so maybe i'll find out.
BravesSheet Good questions. I'd like to make a Melisandre video some time.
That would be great :)
+Alt Shift X Yes, please.
+BravesSheet Supposedly her earlier visions lead her to Stannis at Dragonstone but she does claim to misinterpret them herself sometimes. She comes from Asshai. She also believes a Stone Dragon could have been awoken on Dragonstone if she had a sacrifice of Kings blood.
Hm, the "Dragonstone"-thing makes sense, but it's hard to believe that a woman from Asshai would travel the whole way just for an old castle on the other side of the world. Otherwise, her belief in the Red God seems to be veeeery strong.
I love going back to your old videos and listen to them cause it gets me reconsidering some things.
A thought I just had that I haven't heard yet, is the ides that Mel may turn around and burn Stannis for King's Blood when she realizes Jon is likely Azor Ahai. And how fitting would that be? The very thing that has driven Stannis to appalling actions and questionable choices is the very thing turns on him and becomes his undoing.
Good vid.. still holds up, lovely
HODOR IS AZOR AHAI CONFIRMED
+Kickassgrandma911™ HOLD THE DOOR!
+Kristiyan Velchev u know whats gonna be weird? when they meet undead hodor
He lived his life to hold the door.
Now in death, he will be the one to BREAK THE WALL
too soon
Hodor
I don't really think your dismissal of Stannis over his personality really holds water. Don't get me wrong I doubt very much that he is, mostly due to Lightbringer not being lightbringer, Melisandre trying too hard and him being the first candidate we are given.
However your statement about him not being a hero basically boils down to you saying, he's not young, attractive, and unlike Jon and Dany doesn't have social obstacles (bastardy and being female) in the way of him achieving power.
He may be harsh and cold, but was it really kind for Jon to threaten Gilly as he did? Was it righteous for Dany to allow torture of witnesses and crucify 163 people, most of whom had nothing to do with the murder of the slave children?
All the characters have their edges, Stannis more than anyone, as some have pointed out there are many who are complex morally, but few could fit the bill for both hero and villain as Stannis does. I don't think this necessarily excludes him from being Azor Ahai, in some ways he fits it better that anyone (though to be clear once again, I severely doubt he is), he was willing to sacrifice Edric Storm, even though he hated the idea, he is the only one who arrived at the wall to help defend against the wildlings and the others, and is the only king that understands the real threat beyond the wall, he sees himself dying during his quest in the fire, but he willingly continues anyway because he sees it as his duty.
Sorry to waste y'alls time with my blatant Stannis fanboyism.
Just think of it this way, Melisandre created the salt, smoke, and flaming sword for Stannis. You cant just take a prophecy and recreate it in hopes that it will come true for who you make it for. You have to let the prophecy play out naturally. The way I read and seen it, Melisadre is trying to hard to make Stannis something he can never be. But that's my opinion.,.
TomaHawkSDCS I agree Stannis almost certainly isn't Azor Ahai, I just complained that I didn't think the assessment of his personality was fair.
Michael Henman Yeah you make a good point. I guess part of what I was trying to say is that Stannis is not a character who we are really able to relate to, as readers. Jon and Dany do have moral complexity, as you say, but the books help us to understand and sympathise with the internal struggles that underlie these moral issues. Stannis, on the other hand, is far harder to connect to on an emotional level, and I think that's important for a hero. But yeah there is ambiguity here.
Alt Shift X Also Stannis is not a PoW character, Jon and Dany are.
It would be interesting to revisit this topic with some of the newer observations that people have had since this came out.
14:48 is ironically prophetic for a video about prophecy